[MlMt] Tag disappears after a few seconds of being set by a mailbox rule
Hey there, I’m experimenting with tags and set a few rules to automatically tag messages depending on email address. These work well in general but in a few instances the tag is applied when I run the rule (I see it appear in the message header), then a few seconds later the tag disappears. I’m not sure why. It seems to happen after a sync with the server. In one instance I change the IMAP keyword and it stopped doing that, in another instance is did not stop and kept deleting the tag after a few seconds. I only have two rules at the moment, both of which had the same problem. They do not interfere with each other (no criteria intersects). Both tags are listed below in the post scriptum. The rules are of the type “any from address is” with specific addresses. Anything I’m missing here? I searched the documentation and the archives of the list but couldn’t find anything similar. Thanks, Denis P.S. in case it’s relevant the tag that I changed and now works was Was deleted with: Display name: amis IMAP keyword: amis Changed to and worked: Display name: amis IMAP keyword: friends Was deleted with: Display name: facture IMAP keyword: facture Is still deleted with: Display name: facture IMAP keyword: bill ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] MailMate Mailing List Address Munging Question..
I've noticed an annoying trend in how the source addresses of messages posted to some mailing lists (most notable Apple's) are being modified. For instance, Denis Ricard posts a note here, but it shows up as being from Denis Ricard via mailmate I wouldn't know where Denis actually is had he not CC'd himself. Is this going to be how addressing will now be handled here? If so, please count me as one vote to keep things as they were. I really don't need any more protection from spam (having been using email since well before junk mail existed, I couldn't possibly get any more, heh), and I'd also like to retain the option of sending a reply to just an author, directly. ビリー ヨーデルマん +1 310 839 7673 http://MIX.ORG/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MailMate Mailing List Address Munging Question..
[putting on mail admin hat] On 27 Aug 2019, at 13:00, Billy Youdelman wrote: I've noticed an annoying trend in how the source addresses of messages posted to some mailing lists (most notable Apple's) are being modified. For instance, Denis Ricard posts a note here, but it shows up as being from Denis Ricard via mailmate Yes. This is an unfortunately necessary tactic to protect a mailing list from the negative side-effects of the "DMARC" mechanism of combatting email forgery. It is often done (as with this list, apparently) only for senders whose email provider has publishes an active DMARC policy of "quarantine" or "reject". The reason for that is because many mailing lists modify message bodies and/or headers which are usually signed by the DKIM mechanism that DMARC uses for message authentication. This breaks the message signature. When the DMARC policy for the domain of the From header is "quarantine" or "reject", a broken signature can result in mail being rejected, quarantined, or shunted to a "spam folder," which can ultimately lead to mailing lists being seen as spam by receiving sites or (in the case of outright rejections) having subscribers at DMARC-honoring sites being unsubscribed due to excessive bounces. I wouldn't know where Denis actually is had he not CC'd himself. That MAY be a part of the munging being done by Mailman, the mailing list software that handles this list and does the munging. Moving the original From address to the Cc or to Reply-To header is one option in Mailman's munging config. Is this going to be how addressing will now be handled here? I can't know for sure, but the *selective* munging strategy or worse (e.g. everyone switched to digest mode, effectively, with one-message digests) is going to become pervasive for lists that do things like add listname/topic tags or add list footers, both of which this list does. I would not expect it to be switched back. If so, please count me as one vote to keep things as they were. I really don't need any more protection from spam (having been using email since well before junk mail existed, I couldn't possibly get any more, heh), It's entirely not about spam reduction. It's about maintaining the viability of traditional discussion mailing lists in the face of a tactic pushed mainly by large service providers who offer both mailboxes and their own captive discussion group alternatives to traditional discussion mailing lists. and I'd also like to retain the option of sending a reply to just an author, directly. Because the munging appears to include moving the original From address to a Cc header, you should retain that option. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MailMate Mailing List Address Munging Question..
On 27 Aug 2019, at 14:43, Bill Cole wrote: I wouldn't know where Denis actually is had he not CC'd himself. That MAY be a part of the munging being done by Mailman, the mailing list software that handles this list and does the munging. Moving the original From address to the Cc or to Reply-To header is one option in Mailman's munging config. I did **not** include the Cc myself, but I did opt-in to receive my own message in the list preferences. So it was part of the munging as Bill calls it.___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
