Re: [MlMt] colored mails
On 22 Jan 2019, at 2:44, Lipman, Barton L wrote: > Can’t get it to work. Is type really supposed to be “mailbox”? > It works. Have you execute „defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmMessageColorsEnabled -bool YES“ in the terminal? Regards Oliver ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MailMate and Exchange
Euh… I’m a little surprised. I have mail mate setup against outlook.office365.com as an IMAP server and it works fine. -- Laurent On 22 Jan 2019, at 1:28, chairep...@mailbox.org wrote: Bad news. I have to use exchange to handle my work emails. I would rather use mailmate but mailmate doesn’t support exchange. That’s too bad. I’ve tried davmail to get mailmate handle it but with no success. The exchange server doesn't support neither imap nor smtp. Forwarding mails isn’t allowed as well. What should I do now? It seems that I have to switch back to Apple mail :( ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.freron.com%2Flistinfo%2Fmailmate&data=02%7C01%7Claurent.michel%40uconn.edu%7C114a9641eed748f5c5e508d68032e0e4%7C17f1a87e2a254eaab9df9d439034b080%7C0%7C0%7C636837353354989285&sdata=vOW0kSMcXb0YF9X1iqyFnUsW6ycRK6wIGtwI0yVw%2FXI%3D&reserved=0 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MailMate and Exchange
Same for me, Mailmate wors fine with Exchange (potential caveat , there are multiple Exchange versions), except for handling the keywords. I have never heard of Exchange that does not support imap/smtp, neither forwarding. But I am not an expert. Alain On 22 Jan 2019, at 13:14, Laurent Michel wrote: Euh… I’m a little surprised. I have mail mate setup against outlook.office365.com as an IMAP server and it works fine. -- Laurent On 22 Jan 2019, at 1:28, chairep...@mailbox.org wrote: Bad news. I have to use exchange to handle my work emails. I would rather use mailmate but mailmate doesn’t support exchange. That’s too bad. I’ve tried davmail to get mailmate handle it but with no success. The exchange server doesn't support neither imap nor smtp. Forwarding mails isn’t allowed as well. What should I do now? It seems that I have to switch back to Apple mail :( ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.freron.com%2Flistinfo%2Fmailmate&data=02%7C01%7Claurent.michel%40uconn.edu%7C114a9641eed748f5c5e508d68032e0e4%7C17f1a87e2a254eaab9df9d439034b080%7C0%7C0%7C636837353354989285&sdata=vOW0kSMcXb0YF9X1iqyFnUsW6ycRK6wIGtwI0yVw%2FXI%3D&reserved=0 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Alternate mail service
On 21 Jan 2019, at 21:10, Dave C wrote: Any MM users have ProtonMail service? How do you like it? Based on user feedback, the main “issue” to be aware of is that you should take the “Drafts” mailbox of the account offline within MailMate (which makes sense given the encryption aspect of ProtonMail). -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Version 2
On 22 Jan 2019, at 3:27, leo wrote: What’s that about? Is Version 2 better? What are the main distinguishing and new features? See recent related replies [here](https://www.mail-archive.com/mailmate@lists.freron.com/msg10861.html) and [here](https://www.mail-archive.com/mailmate@lists.freron.com/msg10802.html). -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] colored mails
On 21 Jan 2019, at 19:35, Verdon Vaillancourt wrote:
{ type = mailbox;
color = "#66";
uuid = 'imap://username%40gmail@imap.gmail.com';
},
I would like to clarify that this is for coloring emails belonging to
any kind of mailbox. The above is an example of using it to color the
emails which are located in a top-level mailbox under “Sources”,
that is, anything belonging to the given account.
You can create a smart mailbox defined in any way you want and then
select it in the mailbox list and hit ⌘C to get the value needed for
the `uuid` key above.
In this case documentation [does
exist](https://manual.mailmate-app.com/hidden_preferences#colored-messages).
(I did do some work on a user interface for this feature, but it has
been in a non-functional limbo in the 2.0BETA branch for quite long.)
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Re: [MlMt] colored mails
I wasn’t clear. I did succeed in getting this to work to color all messages in
a particular mailbox. What I didn’t succeed at was coloring only messages from
a particular sender. Should the type be “mailbox” for this?
Thanks.
Bart
On 22 Jan 2019, at 7:47, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:
On 21 Jan 2019, at 19:35, Verdon Vaillancourt wrote:
{ type = mailbox;
color = "#66";
uuid = 'imap://username%40gmail@imap.gmail.com';
},
I would like to clarify that this is for coloring emails belonging to any kind
of mailbox. The above is an example of using it to color the emails which are
located in a top-level mailbox under “Sources”, that is, anything belonging to
the given account.
You can create a smart mailbox defined in any way you want and then select it
in the mailbox list and hit ⌘C to get the value needed for the uuid key above.
In this case documentation does
exist. (I
did do some work on a user interface for this feature, but it has been in a
non-functional limbo in the 2.0BETA branch for quite long.)
--
Benny
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Re: [MlMt] MailMate and Exchange
On 22 Jan 2019, at 13:27, Alain Israel wrote: Same for me, Mailmate wors fine with Exchange (potential caveat , there are multiple Exchange versions), except for handling the keywords. I have never heard of Exchange that does not support imap/smtp, neither forwarding. But I am not an expert. If I understand correctly then some users of Office365 are also forced to use two factor authentication (which for IMAP means the XOAUTH2 capability). The combination of IMAP and XOAUTH2 is not supported by Microsoft on `outlook.office365.com` even though it does work for `outlook.com`. Strangely, the office365.com IMAP server does advertise support for XOAUTH2, but there is no way for me (MailMate) to register at Microsoft to get the credentials needed to actually use it. A cynical brain like mine could see this as proof that the lack of support for XOAUTH2 is primarily a strategical decision. I'll go a bit off topic here. As [I wrote about](https://blog.freron.com/2015/is-oauth2-support-a-good-thing/) a few years ago I worry about the use of OAuth2 in general. My worry is that big companies can use it to lock out specific email clients whenever they feel like it. This hasn't happened yet, but we are in a situation with the 3 big players using 3 different strategies: * Google: Supports OAuth2 and makes it easily available for developers, but they also make non-OAuth2 access practically useless by making it hard to enable and to stay enabled. In the process, they don't hold back on scaring users with claims of third party email client access being insecure. In addition to this, Gmail IMAP (Gimap) is really not IMAP at all. It is perhaps one of the most successful examples of Microsoft's [“Embrace, extend, and extinguish”](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish) strategy. * Microsoft: Supports OAuth2 on `outlook.com` but refuses to support it on `office365.com` essentially preventing Office 365 users from using email clients which do not have native support for their proprietary Exchange email protocols. In addition to this, Exchange IMAP is possibly one of the most buggy IMAP implementations in widespread use. * Apple: Probably supports something very similar to OAuth2, but they don't make it available for third party developers. When two factor authentication is enabled Apple's own applications work very nicely, while third party applications need the users to create application specific passwords. There are no signs that any of the above will change in the future. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] colored mails
On 22 Jan 2019, at 14:06, Lipman, Barton L wrote: I wasn’t clear. I did succeed in getting this to work to color all messages in a particular mailbox. What I didn’t succeed at was coloring only messages from a particular sender. Should the type be “mailbox” for this? Yes, but you need to create a smart mailbox matching these emails. Select the mailbox and hit ⌘C to put its UUID on the pasteboard (and use that in the file). -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] colored mails
Ah, that makes sense. Thanks! Bart On 22 Jan 2019, at 8:29, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: > On 22 Jan 2019, at 14:06, Lipman, Barton L wrote: > >> I wasn’t clear. I did succeed in getting this to work to color all >> messages in a particular mailbox. What I didn’t succeed at was >> coloring only messages from a particular sender. Should the type be >> “mailbox” for this? > > Yes, but you need to create a smart mailbox matching these emails. > Select the mailbox and hit ⌘C to put its UUID on the pasteboard (and > use that in the file). > > -- > Benny > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MailMate and Exchange
Exchange supports IMAP/SMTP as such. However, this must be enabled by the local administration and that is not always the case. My wife has exactly same situation: one client has their Exchange server with IMAP/SMTP turned off and forwarding is not allowed. Another client with Exchange allows IMAP/SMTP and that works fine with MM. She handles mails on that restricted Exchange server through a browser. She gave up on Apple Mail due to various issues with it. On 22 Jan 2019, at 13:27, Alain Israel wrote: Same for me, Mailmate wors fine with Exchange (potential caveat , there are multiple Exchange versions), except for handling the keywords. I have never heard of Exchange that does not support imap/smtp, neither forwarding. But I am not an expert. Alain On 22 Jan 2019, at 13:14, Laurent Michel wrote: Euh… I’m a little surprised. I have mail mate setup against outlook.office365.com as an IMAP server and it works fine. -- Laurent On 22 Jan 2019, at 1:28, chairep...@mailbox.org wrote: Bad news. I have to use exchange to handle my work emails. I would rather use mailmate but mailmate doesn’t support exchange. That’s too bad. I’ve tried davmail to get mailmate handle it but with no success. The exchange server doesn't support neither imap nor smtp. Forwarding mails isn’t allowed as well. What should I do now? It seems that I have to switch back to Apple mail :( ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MailMate and Exchange
I’ve ask the local administration to allow IMAP/SMTP. They opened a case. Maybe they enable IMAP/SMTP. I’ll wait for it and tell you later. > Am 22.01.2019 um 15:55 schrieb Robert Brenstein > : > > Exchange supports IMAP/SMTP as such. However, this must be enabled by the > local administration and that is not always the case. My wife has exactly > same situation: one client has their Exchange server with IMAP/SMTP turned > off and forwarding is not allowed. Another client with Exchange allows > IMAP/SMTP and that works fine with MM. She handles mails on that restricted > Exchange server through a browser. She gave up on Apple Mail due to various > issues with it. > > On 22 Jan 2019, at 13:27, Alain Israel wrote: > > Same for me, Mailmate wors fine with Exchange (potential caveat , there are > multiple Exchange versions), except for handling the keywords. I have never > heard of Exchange that does not support imap/smtp, neither forwarding. But I > am not an expert. > > Alain > > On 22 Jan 2019, at 13:14, Laurent Michel wrote: > > Euh… I’m a little surprised. I have mail mate setup against > outlook.office365.com as an IMAP server and it works fine. > > > -- > Laurent > > On 22 Jan 2019, at 1:28, chairep...@mailbox.org wrote: > > Bad news. I have to use exchange to handle my work emails. I would rather use > mailmate but mailmate doesn’t support exchange. That’s too bad. I’ve tried > davmail to get mailmate handle it but with no success. The exchange server > doesn't support neither imap nor smtp. Forwarding mails isn’t allowed as > well. What should I do now? It seems that I have to switch back to Apple mail > :( > > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate -- Michael Weiland ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] S/MIME algorithm
Hi Benny, Apparently MailMate uses SHA1 for S/MIME signatures: Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=_MailMate_9C9B7CEB-A063-4594-B53C-4CA40977FBE0_="; micalg=sha1; SHA1 is not considered as secure anymore (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHA-1). I also noticed that Gmail doesn't verify SHA1-signed messages anymore: 'The signature uses an unsupported algorithm. The digital signature is not valid.' I don't know if you use a macOS library for S/MIME? A test from iOS Mail used SHA256: Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-2496A2C0-AD94-4608-8970-57B8A409367C; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256 Thanks, Jan -- Jan Münnich j...@dotplex.com | +49 30 20236996-1 dotplex GmbH | www.dotplex.de Reinhardtstr. 27c, 10117 Berlin, Germany AG Charlottenburg: HRB 173749 B | USt-IdNr.: DE304968794 Geschäftsführer: Jan Münnich smime.p7s Description: S/MIME digital signature ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Alternate mail service
I don't really like ProtonMail. I have several personal domains and the habit of using an email address per online service. And ProtonMail gets to be expensive for multiple domains or email addresses. They also smell like snake oil in their advertisement. That email will only be end-to-end encrypted if you're communicating with other ProtonMail users or maybe with users with public PGP keys (afaik they do PGP too). That's a minority. In all other cases ProtonMail's servers will see your incoming and outgoing emails in clear text, because that's just how email works, not to mention all of the metadata for encrypted email too. Your archive might be encrypted later, but nothing stops a security agency from actively listening on your communication. Having some encryption is better then no encryption of course, but I fear that this creates a false sense of security, when users could use more secure alternatives for sensitive messages, like Signal. So the way I see it, having to install a "bridge" on your computer for regular email clients is not reasonable given the benefits. On Mon, Jan 21, 2019, at 10:10 PM, Dave C wrote: > > > > Having issues with Gmail and I’m looking for a new “post office”. > > > I like ProtonMail which offers encryption. > > You install a “bridge” daemon(?) on your computer in the background and it > handles en/decryption locally and IMAP interface to mail clients: > > https://protonmail.com/bridge/ > > This bridge option requires the paid mail subscription (€/$48 and up per > year). > > ProtonMail mobile apps available. > > Any MM users have ProtonMail service? How do you like it? > > Dave > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > -- Alexandru Nedelcu alexn.org ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Alternate mail service
> …a “bridge” daemon(?) …handles en/decryption locally and IMAP interface to > mail clients More correctly, I came to understand their "bridge" is _not_ guaranteed to work with all IMAP mailers, and that was primarily why I selected MailFence over ProtonMail, even though though the former does not have mobile clients yet (I’m using Canary on iOS mobile for better or worse). FYI -- Rick Cogley M: +81-90-9959-5452 On 22 Jan 2019, at 5:10, Dave C wrote: > Having issues with Gmail and I’m looking for a new “post office”. > > I like ProtonMail which offers encryption. > > You install a “bridge” daemon(?) on your computer in the background and it > handles en/decryption locally and IMAP interface to mail clients: > > https://protonmail.com/bridge/ > > This bridge option requires the paid mail subscription (€/$48 and up per > year). > > ProtonMail mobile apps available. > > Any MM users have ProtonMail service? How do you like it? > > Dave signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Alternate mail service
What are “IMAP mailers”? Mail clients/apps? IMAP servers? Dave > …a “bridge” daemon(?) …handles en/decryption locally and IMAP interface to > mail clients > > More correctly, I came to understand their "bridge" is not guaranteed to work > with all IMAP mailers, and that was primarily why I selected MailFence over > ProtonMail, even though though the former does not have mobile clients yet > (I’m using Canary on iOS mobile for better or worse). > > FYI > > -- > Rick Cogley > M: +81-90-9959-5452 > > On 22 Jan 2019, at 5:10, Dave C wrote: > > Having issues with Gmail and I’m looking for a new “post office”. > > I like ProtonMail which offers encryption. > > You install a “bridge” daemon(?) on your computer in the background and it > handles en/decryption locally and IMAP interface to mail clients: > > https://protonmail.com/bridge/ > > This bridge option requires the paid mail subscription (€/$48 and up per > year). > > ProtonMail mobile apps available. > > Any MM users have ProtonMail service? How do you like it? > > Dave > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
