[MlMt] Change font size in new-message headers?
Is it possible to change the font size in the header section of new messages (where the to:, subject:, etc appear)? John ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] search for different Flags
On 12.07.2016 at 16:38 Uhr +0900 Gary Hull apparently wrote: On 11 Jul 2016, at 16:57, Alain Israel wrote: My comment will not answer your question, but it reflects several months of using colored flags and tags. My impression is that tags are more useful : they can be used to sort the messages, they can be searched for throughout all mailboxes, they are recognized by most servers (so transferable from one computer to the other (except with Exchange), unlike colored flags), they allow a relatively easy visualization of who sent what, Thanks. This finally made me figure out tags, and yes, they seem quite handy! The "T" modifier in Search View is great! Thanks again. Can you elaborate on the T modifier for a MailMate newbie coming from Eudora? I am trying to come to grips with flags and tags and having fits and frustrations. I just tried to tag a single email with 1 tag and 436 emails got tagged with 2 tags, and I can't undo that so far. On the plus side, I got one smart mailbox that shows all tagged emails and another that shows all flagged emails. Having only keyboard shortcuts for dealing with flags and tags is really a major shortcoming for me. I am not only overloaded with things to remember as it is, I also prefer using mouse over keyboard. Are tags really freely transferred through IMAP servers? The documentation says that IMAP tags are only reliable. I was watching communication with one or two of my server and they showed the list of accepted tags, which were the standard IMAP tags as listed in the Mailmate doc. Robert ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] search for different Flags
I can’t explain why you got 436 tagged emails after tagging one, but regarding tag transfer through the server, according to Benny it should work for most email severs, except for Exchange-based (which is unfortunately my case). If it does not work for you, and you are not using Exchange, Benny may be able to debug it. Alain On 14 Jul 2016, at 16:52, Robert Brenstein wrote: On 12.07.2016 at 16:38 Uhr +0900 Gary Hull apparently wrote: On 11 Jul 2016, at 16:57, Alain Israel wrote: My comment will not answer your question, but it reflects several months of using colored flags and tags. My impression is that tags are more useful : they can be used to sort the messages, they can be searched for throughout all mailboxes, they are recognized by most servers (so transferable from one computer to the other (except with Exchange), unlike colored flags), they allow a relatively easy visualization of who sent what, Thanks. This finally made me figure out tags, and yes, they seem quite handy! The "T" modifier in Search View is great! Thanks again. Can you elaborate on the T modifier for a MailMate newbie coming from Eudora? I am trying to come to grips with flags and tags and having fits and frustrations. I just tried to tag a single email with 1 tag and 436 emails got tagged with 2 tags, and I can't undo that so far. On the plus side, I got one smart mailbox that shows all tagged emails and another that shows all flagged emails. Having only keyboard shortcuts for dealing with flags and tags is really a major shortcoming for me. I am not only overloaded with things to remember as it is, I also prefer using mouse over keyboard. Are tags really freely transferred through IMAP servers? The documentation says that IMAP tags are only reliable. I was watching communication with one or two of my server and they showed the list of accepted tags, which were the standard IMAP tags as listed in the Mailmate doc. Robert ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] search for different Flags
On 14 Jul 2016, at 16:52, Robert Brenstein wrote: On 12.07.2016 at 16:38 Uhr +0900 Gary Hull apparently wrote: Thanks. This finally made me figure out tags, and yes, they seem quite handy! The "T" modifier in Search View is great! Thanks again. Can you elaborate on the T modifier for a MailMate newbie coming from Eudora? I am trying to come to grips with flags and tags and having fits and frustrations. It should be simple in the sense that it doesn't do much. The `T` modifier simply provides you with a text field for entering your tags. It'll also show you any existing tags for the currently selected message. Tag names are automatically completed and if you enter one that does not exist then MailMate helps you create it. You can review your tags in the Tags preferences pane including the corresponding IMAP keywords (which is not always the same because of IMAP limitations). Special case: If multiple emails are selected then MailMate shows 2 text fields. The first one is for tags to add and the second one is for tags to remove. Note that if you have multiple installs of MailMate then you need to configure the tags on all of them. The “mapping” from tag name to IMAP keyword is not (yet) automatically synchronized. Some day I'll hopefully look into some kind of hack which can provide this kind of synchronization. I just tried to tag a single email with 1 tag and 436 emails got tagged with 2 tags, and I can't undo that so far. I don't know how that happened, but if you figure out how tags work and you can reproduce something which appears to be a bug then please send me an email. Having only keyboard shortcuts for dealing with flags and tags is really a major shortcoming for me. I am not only overloaded with things to remember as it is, I also prefer using mouse over keyboard. The rudimentary support for colored flags certainly needs some more GUI support, but tags are not really intended to work differently than they do now. You are only supposed to remember the `T` shortcut (but I guess an equivalent toolbar button would be nice - I'll note that). You can review existing tags in the Tags preferences pane and although you'll probably dislike it then here's another tip: If you hit space in the Tags text field then a list of all existing tags is shown. Are tags really freely transferred through IMAP servers? Good question and unfortunately not easily answered. I would claim that tags as implemented in MailMate is the best way to do it with IMAP servers. It is based on so-called IMAP keywords and some servers do not support this very well, but this is typically servers which have all kinds of other issues anyways. The most notable example is Exchange IMAP. (Tags work fine with Gmail.) Some servers have an upper limit on the number of IMAP keywords available. In general, I don't recommend using a large number of tags. The documentation says that IMAP tags are only reliable. I was watching communication with one or two of my server and they showed the list of accepted tags, which were the standard IMAP tags as listed in the Mailmate doc. Since you're looking at logs then here is what to look for if you want to know what the server can do. Look for a `SELECT` command similar to this: C: C6 SELECT "Some Mailbox" Then the important part of the server response is this: S: * OK [PERMANENTFLAGS (\Answered [...] \Seen \*)] That last part, `\*`, tells MailMate that new IMAP keywords can be created. I hope that makes a bit of sense. -- Benny (On vacation, please be patient.) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Change font size in new-message headers?
On 14 Jul 2016, at 16:22, John D. Muccigrosso wrote: Is it possible to change the font size in the header section of new messages (where the to:, subject:, etc appear)? No, these are standard GUI elements. I believe the best way to resize the interface in general is to use the Displays preferences pane in System Preferences. -- Benny (On vacation, please be patient.) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Change font size in new-message headers?
On 14 Jul 2016, at 11:52, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 14 Jul 2016, at 16:22, John D. Muccigrosso wrote: Is it possible to change the font size in the header section of new messages (where the to:, subject:, etc appear)? No, these are standard GUI elements. I believe the best way to resize the interface in general is to use the Displays preferences pane in System Preferences. That’s disappointing. I think they’re too small by a point or two, but don’t have a problem with the rest of the system settings, so I don’t want to change them. But which pane is it? I don’t see the relevant info in Displays. John ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
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Re: [MlMt] Change font size in new-message headers?
On 14 Jul 2016, at 11:49, John D. Muccigrosso muccigro...@icloud.com wrote: That’s disappointing. I think they’re too small by a point or two, but don’t have a problem with the rest of the system settings, so I don’t want to change them. You may want to give the Zoom Accessibility option a try. It's in the Accessibility System Preference Select the Zoom option int the left hand column and make sure the Use keyboard shortcuts to zoom is checked. Then option-command-8 will toggle the zoom. Give it a try. You can also change the zoom style from full screen to picture-in-picture which gives you a box to move around the screen with cursor and anything under it is magnified. __*Richard Rettke*__ *Laus Deo* *Non sibi sed patriae* https://about.me/rerettke ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Change font size in new-message headers?
On 14 Jul 2016, at 13:29, Richard Rettke wrote: On 14 Jul 2016, at 11:49, John D. Muccigrosso muccigro...@icloud.com wrote: That’s disappointing. I think they’re too small by a point or two, but don’t have a problem with the rest of the system settings, so I don’t want to change them. You may want to give the Zoom Accessibility option a try. It's in the Accessibility System Preference Select the Zoom option int the left hand column and make sure the Use keyboard shortcuts to zoom is checked. Then option-command-8 will toggle the zoom. Give it a try. You can also change the zoom style from full screen to picture-in-picture which gives you a box to move around the screen with cursor and anything under it is magnified. Yeah, I know about that one, but I’d much rather just have bigger (or adjustable) text in MM. :-) John ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Change font size in new-message headers?
On 14 Jul 2016, at 18:49, John D. Muccigrosso wrote: On 14 Jul 2016, at 11:52, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 14 Jul 2016, at 16:22, John D. Muccigrosso wrote: Is it possible to change the font size in the header section of new messages (where the to:, subject:, etc appear)? No, these are standard GUI elements. I believe the best way to resize the interface in general is to use the Displays preferences pane in System Preferences. That’s disappointing. I think they’re too small by a point or two, but don’t have a problem with the rest of the system settings, so I don’t want to change them. With “new messages” I assumed you meant the Composer. If that is not the case then you can change the font like you do with other parts of the GUI (click on the view to focus it and then use “Format ▸ Show Fonts”). The size of the headers view is not updated until after you change the selected message. But which pane is it? I don’t see the relevant info in Displays. I'm on a Retina machine now which provides a “Scaled” option in the Displays preferences pane, but I'm not sure it's the same on non-Retina. I cannot test that right now. -- Benny (On vacation, please be patient.) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] search for different Flags
Thanks Benny for taking a break from vacation to answer :-) On 14.07.2016 at 18:23 Uhr +0200 Benny Kjær Nielsen apparently wrote: It should be simple in the sense that it doesn't do much. The T modifier simply provides you with a text field for entering your tags. It'll also show you any existing tags for the currently selected message. Ok. I must be dense. I have defined 2 tags: ToDo and ToRead. I select a message in the mailbox. It is highlighted purple. I hold the shift key and press t and... nothing happens. No text field is provided for entering tags. If I press t again (without shift), the selection changes color of the msg highlight from purple to dark gray. The same happens if I highlight another msg and type t without shift. I checked that the tags editor shortcut is capital t, though. When the msg is highlighted gray not purple and I type another t, I get a little popup on the bottom of the page, which shows the defined tags, one being highlighted. I can move the highlighted from one tag in the popup to the other or even unselect it or select both, but no matter what I tried, I do not change the current tags settings, neither add nor remove (I have added a column that displays tags). I tried typing the whole name of the tag, which does not seem to do anything, although once a while I get a dialog asking me to create a new tag called odo or oread (yes, the tag name I typed less the first letter). I once managed to assign the ToDo tag to a message but I have no idea what I did differently. I must be missing something very obvious since apparently others are using tags successfully. It would have been so much simpler if the right mouseclick on a msg included an item Toggle Tag with submenu listing all defined tags, like it does it for the Junk State. I see no problem having to go to prefs to create new tags. Similarly for colored flags: an item Assign Flag with submenu listing flag colors (plus none). That item could replace the Mark as Flagged item, which seems to always assign the red flag. The manual mentions nothing about removing tags. Is it even possible? Then the important part of the server response is this: S: * OK [PERMANENTFLAGS (\Answered [...] \Seen \*)] That last part, \*, tells MailMate that new IMAP keywords can be created. I was looking in the Activity Viewer not logs. Where are the logs? I don't see Mailmate in the Console app. Robert ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] search for different Flags
On 14 Jul 2016, at 20:36, Robert Brenstein wrote: Ok. I must be dense. This got me the first time around :-) I tried typing the whole name of the tag, which does not seem to do anything, although once a while I get a dialog asking me to create a new tag called odo or oread (yes, the tag name I typed less the first letter). And there is your answer. Just a simple lowercase 't' will bring up the Tags box. That is what is swallowing the first letter of "todo" or "toread". :-) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] search for different Flags
On 14.07.2016 at 20:55 Uhr +0200 Paul Sture apparently wrote: On 14 Jul 2016, at 20:36, Robert Brenstein wrote: I tried typing the whole name of the tag, which does not seem to do anything, although once a while I get a dialog asking me to create a new tag called odo or oread (yes, the tag name I typed less the first letter). And there is your answer. Just a simple lowercase 't' will bring up the Tags box. That is what is swallowing the first letter of "todo" or "toread". :-) If that was so simple... as I said, small t changes the color of the highlight of the selected message but does not bring any box. The offer to create (partly swallowed) new tags shows up if I just type after the t and press return. But blind typing is not the optimal way to create tags for me. Robert ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Change font size in new-message headers?
On 14 Jul 2016, at 16:52, John D. Muccigrosso wrote: On 14 Jul 2016, at 13:48, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 14 Jul 2016, at 18:49, John D. Muccigrosso wrote: On 14 Jul 2016, at 11:52, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 14 Jul 2016, at 16:22, John D. Muccigrosso wrote: Is it possible to change the font size in the header section of new messages (where the to:, subject:, etc appear)? No, these are standard GUI elements. I believe the best way to resize the interface in general is to use the Displays preferences pane in System Preferences. That’s disappointing. I think they’re too small by a point or two, but don’t have a problem with the rest of the system settings, so I don’t want to change them. With “new messages” I assumed you meant the Composer. If that is not the case then you can change the font like you do with other parts of the GUI (click on the view to focus it and then use “Format ▸ Show Fonts”). The size of the headers view is not updated until after you change the selected message. I do mean Composer (I guess). See the screen shot here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/xb9093jigejnw4l/Screenshot%202016-07-14%2016.48.06.png But which pane is it? I don’t see the relevant info in Displays. I'm on a Retina machine now which provides a “Scaled” option in the Displays preferences pane, but I'm not sure it's the same on non-Retina. I cannot test that right now. Well, I’ve got the option to scale the resolution, but that’s definitely not something I want to do. John ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] tagging issues
I have created a smart mailbox called Tagged: mailboxes: all messages conditions: tags exists submailboxes: submailbox for each value of tags displayed count: all What I see is Tagged: 517 Other: 171 ToDo: 9 ToRead: 342 Question 1: what is that "Other" tag? I have defined only 2 tags, ToDo and ToRead. Question 2: a few hours ago, when I closed the computer at work, the ToDo tag had a count of 5. I just switched the computer on at home and after mail sync the count do ToDo tags jumped to 9. Mailmate assigned that tag to 4 new emails on its own. How can I stop such undesired behavior? Question 3: The count on the mailbox should be 346 not 517 -- all the mails in the Other submailbox have one or the other of my tags, so why are they counted twice? Question 4: the submailbox for ToDo shows 5 mails that have both tags set. However, in the submailbox for ToRead, I see only 3 of those mails with 2 tags. Is there a reason for this inconsistency? Robert ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] tagging issues 2
Further development... I have gotten an idea to additionally activate submailboxes: submailbox for the messages of each account Now, the "other" disappeared. The total does not change but subtotals are quite different (summing across 5 accounts): ToDo: 12 ToRead: 511 The lists for ToRead now include 4 from 6 entries with both tags. Switching that extra checkbox off again, does not restore the original list (cf. previous email) but produces Tagged: 517 ToDo: 12 ToRead: 511 This behavior does not build confidence in using Mailmate, I must say. Note that all this is done when the computer was offline, so no new mail was coming in. Robert ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] search for different Flags
On 14 Jul 2016, at 23:52, Robert Brenstein wrote: On 12.07.2016 at 16:38 Uhr +0900 Gary Hull apparently wrote: Thanks. This finally made me figure out tags, and yes, they seem quite handy! The "T" modifier in Search View is great! Thanks again. Can you elaborate on the T modifier for a MailMate newbie coming from Eudora? I am trying to come to grips with flags and tags and having fits and frustrations. In MailMate there is an explanation of Search View modifiers here: - Help > MailMate Help - Click on View - Scroll to Search View - There is a search modifier table showing all the possibilities ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
