Re: [MlMt] Workaround for sending a link from Safari via MailMate
Hello! On 28 Jan 2016, at 21:02, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote: On 28 Jan 2016, at 9:27, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 28 Jan 2016, at 7:18, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote: I changed the defaultmailer to mailmate yesterday and went to bed. The first thing in the morning was to check what the defaultmailer is and… it was mail again! :-( In my experience it only takes a few seconds to revert -- and then some times it suddenly sticks. I'm still trying… it reverts after a while to mail, even when nothing happens in between. After a couple of time setting the default-mail-client to MailMate via Terminal I've got the attached message from MailMate. After clicking on OK (what else?! ;-) **the mail-client didn't change back anymore to mail!** It looks like we have a solution! ;-) Regards, Vlad ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Workaround for sending a link from Safari via MailMate
On 28 Jan 2016, at 21:58, David Shepherdson wrote: On 27 Jan 2016, at 19.32, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: I don't think there is a better way and this is also why I dislike the “digest” option for anything but read-only usage. I was going to write that there is no formal digest format, but it appears an [RFC](https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1153) actually describes a somewhat standard format. If the `Message-ID` is provided for each message then the problem appears to be that MailMate is not smart enough to handle these digest messages. When replying to a digest message then MailMate should identify its subparts and ask the user which one to reply to. It should then setup the correct subject line, in-reply-to header, skip the subject-warning, etc. It turns out, there *is* actually a way to do this in MailMate, I’ve found: the All Messages folder has an All Message Subparts sub-folder, in which each individual message from a digest appears. This seems to be a ‘special’ folder (in that I can’t see any setting in the Edit Mailbox view that makes it work like this, or a way to set up one of these in the Mailing Lists smart folder, for example), but it works — I can select an individual message and reply to it (like I am with this one!). Oh, I actually thought the digest format was one single body part. In this case, MailMate could also make it easier by providing more options in the context sensitive menu of an embedded message. I'll keep that in mind. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] different font-type for From/To/Subject in the message-list?
On 29 Jan 2016, at 6:13, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote: Is there any way to choose a different type / type-size for different parts of the message-list, like a smaller type for the subject etc.? No, there's no way to do that. I'm assuming what you primarily want is a more horizontally compact message list as seen in many other email clients. I don't oppose such a feature and it's on my list, but I cannot provide a time frame. It's a major feature. Your only option is to decrease the font size of the entire message list. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Workaround for sending a link from Safari via MailMate
On 29 Jan 2016, at 11:01, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote: After a couple of time setting the default-mail-client to MailMate via Terminal I've got the attached message from MailMate. That's a sign that the change finally stuck. After clicking on OK (what else?! ;-) **the mail-client didn't change back anymore to mail!** It looks like we have a solution! ;-) Well, the “solution” was to be persistent. The message shown by MailMate is just a side effect (and it wouldn't have happened if MailMate itself had been used to switch email client). Let's hope you don't need to switch back ;-) -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] different font-type for From/To/Subject in the message-list?
On 29 Jan 2016, at 11:21, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 29 Jan 2016, at 6:13, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote: Is there any way to choose a different type / type-size for different parts of the message-list, like a smaller type for the subject etc.? No, there's no way to do that. I'm assuming what you primarily want is a more horizontally compact message list as seen in many other email clients. Something like that, yes. I would like to squeeze more of the subject-line in the message-list by letting the other fields (From, To, Date etc.) unchanged. I don't oppose such a feature and it's on my list, but I cannot provide a time frame. It's a major feature. It's good to know that's on your list. Your only option is to decrease the font size of the entire message list. Yes, I already done this. Thanks! Regards, Vlad ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Workaround for sending a link from Safari via MailMate
On 29 Jan 2016, at 11:24, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: > Let's hope you don't need to switch back ;-) I think we both know this by now, don't we?! ;-) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Filters
Hi, all. I'm evaluating MailMate & am seriously impressed. One thing however I found odd is the inability to filter messages from the Inbox to selected folders. Is there anyway to filter messages from the Inbox into designated folders? I'm using Gmail, OS X 10.10.5 & the demo version of MailMate. Any help appreciated. Cheers, Phil... -- GnuGPG Key : http://phildobbin.org/publickey.asc ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Filters
Go to the General preferences pane and enable the 2.0 experimental features. Then double-click the mailbox for which you need to add rules (Inbox) and notice the Rules pane. Is it that what you are looking for? --Thomas On 29 Jan 2016, at 12:08, PhilDobbin wrote: Hi, all. I'm evaluating MailMate & am seriously impressed. One thing however I found odd is the inability to filter messages from the Inbox to selected folders. Is there anyway to filter messages from the Inbox into designated folders? I'm using Gmail, OS X 10.10.5 & the demo version of MailMate. Any help appreciated. Cheers, Phil... -- GnuGPG Key : http://phildobbin.org/publickey.asc ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] starting with an active row - bug or feature?
On 28 Jan 2016, at 22:10, David Shepherdson wrote:
On 29 Jan 2016, at 07.10, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:
As I mentioned in the previous thread, I'm using the BBEdit-command
in MailMate.
One thing that's a bit annoying is that after the tab BBEdit starts
with the cursor in the first row **and the whole row active** (as
after CMD-L in BBEdit respectively CMD-left arrow & CMD-SHIFT-right
arrow in every other OS X text editor).
I’m also using the BBEdit command (but not automatically — I use a
keyboard shortcut when I want to edit a particular message using
BBEdit), and I also see this behaviour. I think it is a feature, so
that you are taken to the same line in BBEdit as the cursor was on in
MailMate; it’s just that BBEdit selects the line, rather than simply
moving to it.
One way to stop this would be to edit the file:
~/Library/Application
Support/MailMate/Managed/Bundles/BBEdit.mmbundle/Support/bin/edit
…and remove the ‘+${MM_LINE_NUMBER}’ part.
That was it (again! ;-)
Thanks!
Otherwise, it’s probably a feature request to Bare Bones Software
for a way to go to a line from the bbedit tool without selecting it
(like the built-in Go To Line command does).
I'll do this too, why not?!
David
Thanks again!
Vlad
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Re: [MlMt] Filters
PhilDobbin 2016-01-29 20:08 wrote: One thing however I found odd is the inability to filter messages from the Inbox to selected folders. Others have talked how rules works in MailMate. I used to have a lot of rules in clients I had before MailMate. With MailMate that have changed. Since the smart folders are really smart and flexible I now just archive all my mails in "Archive". I then use smart folders to group messages I want quick access to. With smart folders a messages can "appear" in any number of "folders", a person folder, a company folder and a project folder. This was always a problem when I used rules to move messages to real folders. I have set up my own key bindings so “i” will select the inbox, “a” will archive mail, “d” will delete them, “f” flag them and “r” for making a reply. This takes care of most of my mail interaction and leave my inbox empty and nice. Fredrik ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Filters
On 29 Jan 2016, at 12:17, Thomas Eckhold wrote: Go to the General preferences pane and enable the 2.0 experimental features. Just to clarify. It's actually no longer necessary to do this to get the Rules pane. (This setting is currently almost meaningless.) -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Is Security.plist broken in r5187?
On 2016-01-27 09:12:24 (+0100), Philip Paeps wrote: On 2015-11-28 09:25:50 (+0100), Philip Paeps wrote: On 2015-11-28 12:59:18 (+0530), Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 28 Nov 2015, at 8:17, Philip Paeps wrote: I just noticed that MailMate r5187 is not respecting my PGP uid->keyid mappings in Security.plist. It was working for me last week. Did something break? :) I noticed today that this is still broken. Actually, I'm not sure if it's "still" or "again". I haven't been exchanging much email relying on the configuration in Security.plist. This turned out to be my fault. I introduced a syntax error in my Security.plist around the same time as r5187 came out. Thanks for helping me debug this, Benny! If anyone else runs into this sort of thing: don't use #-comments in your Security.plist and run `plutil -lint` on it if in doubt! Philip -- Philip Paeps Senior Reality Engineer Ministry of Information ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Any way to reload MmMessagesWebView/stylesheet.css at runtime?
On 27 Jan 2016, at 23:56, Philip Paeps wrote:
While tinkering with my PGP-mystery earlier today, I discovered that
my hacked up stylesheet.css has left me with a bright yellow box /
frame on a cream background in some cases (partially signed messages).
How would I go about changing the style of partially signed messages?
I am guessing it's something like this but with different `type=` and
`subtype=` parameters.
div.bodypart[type=message][subtype=rfc822] { }
No, that would target embedded emails (“Forward as Attachment”).
I think you can target a signed part like this:
div.bodypart[type=multipart][subtype=signed] { }
But the yellow border is currently hardcoded as can be seen in this part
of the generated HTML:
subtype="mixed" disposition="inline">
subtype="signed" disposition="inline">
It was a quick hack to make sure that MailMate clearly indicates if
someone has taken a signed email and extended its content with unsigned
body part(s). This is essentially what often happens on the mailing list
when the footer is added.
I've now changed it such that you can style it with a custom stylesheet.
Look for `div.security` in the default stylesheet. I haven't changed how
it looks (which is pretty ugly). You are welcome to share it if you come
up with something better.
Off topic related security fact:
Last time I checked, Apple Mail handled this incorrectly for S/MIME
messages. I reported it 3 years ago and it was marked as a duplicate,
but it's still an open bug. I guess that means they don't think it's
important and that I can share this information publicly...
Checking again I can see that this is still a problem on El Capitan. My
example message was an email from an Apple employee sent to a mailing
list. I extended it with some additional text and an attachment. These
parts are naturally unsigned, but Apple Mail displays it like everything
is signed.
At least it appears it's not possible to put the unsigned content before
the signed content. It doesn't trigger a warning, but Apple Mail then
simply ignores that the message has signed parts at all. I just realized
that it *is* possible to make the signed part appear as an attachment.
By providing a filename then it's even possible to make it appear as if
it's some kind of failed logo. It looks like this:
There are no limits with regard to the text or attachments added to this
message.
I haven't checked any other email clients, but I doubt it's a common
issue. I'm guessing most email clients would just ignore that the email
is signed and/or encrypted. Also don't interpret it as me stating that
MailMate is more secure than Apple Mail. MailMate has its own issues and
I know Apple has plenty of security experts much more capable than I am.
(I do think one of them should fix this bug though.)
Note that the Apple employee used in my example is completely unrelated
to the issue itself. He's not to blame. I just needed a publicly
available email to construct a convincing example.
I have attached the example email if anyone wants to try it out in Apple
Mail or other email clients. That should also test how MailMate handles
it...
...and this shows that MailMate does not like the `attachment`
disposition of the `multipart/signed` body part. It is shown both inline
(as it should) and as an attachment (which is shouldn't). Worse,
clicking “Quick Look” shows the wrong attachment.
I've fixed these bugs and I've added a new feature: The context
sensitive menu now includes a “Detach Message” menu item. This
extracts the attached email and puts it in the same mailbox. It is also
automatically selected. This is also useful for the “digest message”
issue discussed recently on the mailing list.
Hold down ⌥ when clicking “Check Now” in the Software Update
preferences pane to get the test release.
A few more comments in stylesheet.css would be helpful. :)
Apparently I'm too busy ranting on the mailing list :-)
--
Benny
--- Begin Message ---
I’ve noticed that in some systems when you send a message via SMTP, it will put
a copy in the user’s Sent mailbox. Most of them don’t however, necessitating
that I do an IMAP APPEND to get the message in Sent. Is there a good/any way
to tell when the APPEND is necessary? Right now I’m doing it all the time
which is resulting in double copies in the Sent mailbox for systems that do it
automatically.
Ian
smime.p7s
Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
This text is unsigned. It's really bad if it appears as signed by the email
client...
The same goes for attachments.
--- End Message ---
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Re: [MlMt] Any way to reload MmMessagesWebView/stylesheet.css at runtime?
On 2016-01-29 16:08:33 (+0100), Benny Kjær Nielsen
wrote:
On 27 Jan 2016, at 23:56, Philip Paeps wrote:
How would I go about changing the style of partially signed messages?
I am guessing it's something like this but with different `type=`
and `subtype=` parameters.
div.bodypart[type=message][subtype=rfc822] { }
No, that would target embedded emails (“Forward as Attachment”).
[...]
It was a quick hack to make sure that MailMate clearly indicates if
someone has taken a signed email and extended its content with
unsigned body part(s). This is essentially what often happens on the
mailing list when the footer is added.
I really like this feature, quick hack or no! It's nice to be able to
distinguish in a message with some parts signed and some parts not,
which parts and signed (and whether I can trust them). The
green/yellow/red borders around different parts of the message are
great. Except with my stylesheet.css tinkering I got very low-contrast
bright yellow on dim yellow.
Note that this message is actually a good example: the Apple security
mail you included was signed and MailMate shows exactly which parts are
signed and which parts aren't. Excellent.
I've now changed it such that you can style it with a custom
stylesheet. Look for `div.security` in the default stylesheet. I
haven't changed how it looks (which is pretty ugly). You are welcome
to share it if you come up with something better.
Thanks! I'll tinker with this some more (see if I can make the yellow
on yellow go away) and share my diff against stylesheet.css in case
anyone wants it.
At least it appears it's not possible to put the unsigned content
before the signed content. It doesn't trigger a warning, but Apple
Mail then simply ignores that the message has signed parts at all.
Arguably, being able to prepend or append data without clear indication
that this has been done is equally bad. Imagine an email with a signed
invoice which has been intercepted and mangled by an attacker to include
"please pay XXX to our account " below the invoice. Contrived
example perhaps, but it's Friday afternoon, I couldn't think of anything
better.
I just realized that it *is* possible to make the signed part appear
as an attachment. By providing a filename then it's even possible to
make it appear as if it's some kind of failed logo. [...]
Oops. That is terrible. That makes it look like the whole message has
been signed. If all you need to make a whole message look like it's
signed by a trustworthy sender, is any trusted message from such a
sender, you can cause a lot of trouble.
I haven't checked any other email clients, but I doubt it's a common
issue. I'm guessing most email clients would just ignore that the
email is signed and/or encrypted.
The only other client I have significant experience with is Mutt, which
like MailMate tells you the status of each part of multipart messages.
Something like:
[-- Attachment #1 --]
[-- Type: multipart/signed, Encoding: 7bit, Size: 1.5K --]
[-- PGP output follows (current time: Fri Jan 29 16:30:28 2016) --]
This is the literal output from gpg --verify. Mutt allows you to
highlight based on regular expressions so it's easy to highlight
whether the signature is good or bad and what's wrong with it if
it's bad.
[-- End of PGP output --]
[-- The following data is signed --]
The signed part is here. If there are multiple signed parts, they
are individually delimited with [-- --] markers like this.
[-- End of signed data --]
[-- Attachment #2 --]
[-- Type: text/plain, Encoding: 7bit, Size: 0.1K --]
This would be a mailing list footer for instance.
Mutt displays OpenPGP and S/MIME signed messages identically (only with
the output from OpenSSL rather than GnuPG, obviously). It's pretty
clear to identify which parts are signed and which parts aren't.
Also don't interpret it as me stating that MailMate is more secure
than Apple Mail.
As far as PGP and S/MIME go, I think you're doing a much better job than
Mail.app. It's very important to be able to tell which parts are signed
and which parts aren't in a complex multipart message. Being able to
make a whole message appear to be signed by including a signed
attachment is simply terrible.
I have attached the example email if anyone wants to try it out in
Apple Mail or other email clients. That should also test how MailMate
handles it...
I've looked at this message in Mutt. It's pretty clear which part is
signed and which part isn't. My Mutt doesn't have access to root
certificates (I get very little S/MIME mail, and those people I get it
from, are explicitly trusted) so it can't tell me anything about how
trustworthy the signed part is, but it tells me which part it is.
[-- Attachment #3: The world is going under tomorrow.eml --]
[-- Type: message/rfc822, Encoding: 7bit, Size: 7.3K --]
Date: Sun,
[MlMt] How I use keybindings to make it easier for me to handle email
I like an empty inbox and I finally figured out how I can take advantage of keybindings to make it easier to get there. I wrote up a description in case someone else needs some help with doing the same thing. http://mostrom.eu/2016/01/29/using-keybindings-in-mailmate/ - jem ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] How I use keybindings to make it easier for me to handle email
Very nice. Thanks for posting this. Bart On 29 Jan 2016, at 13:00, Jan Erik Moström wrote: > I like an empty inbox and I finally figured out how I can take advantage of > keybindings to make it easier to get there. > > I wrote up a description in case someone else needs some help with doing > the same thing. > > http://mostrom.eu/2016/01/29/using-keybindings-in-mailmate/ > > - jem > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Any way to reload MmMessagesWebView/stylesheet.css at runtime?
On 30 Jan 2016, at 02.08, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: I've fixed these bugs and I've added a new feature: The context sensitive menu now includes a “Detach Message” menu item. This extracts the attached email and puts it in the same mailbox. It is also automatically selected. This is also useful for the “digest message” issue discussed recently on the mailing list. Excellent, thanks Benny — just tried this and it works really well! David ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Update to Visualize bundle
Hello MailMate users, I pushed an update to the Visualize bundle today and thanks to Benny it is now available through the Bundles tab in MailMate Preferences. Visualize lets you, well, visualize your email history. You can select a few messages (or a lot, I've tested it with up to 20,000 emails**), and plot those emails by sender or over time. You can also save those plots to pngs for archiving or sharing. The update adds a line plot of daily totals to the Emails by Time page. You can choose the color for the scatterplot and line plot, and can also apply a moving mean to the line plot if the graph covers a large section of time. https://github.com/sheriferson/Visualize.mmBundle/blob/master/screenshots/by_time_scatterplot.png https://github.com/sheriferson/Visualize.mmBundle/blob/master/screenshots/by_time_scatterplot_pink_movmean.png Next up on my list is creating a statistics page that gives you different summaries/notes about the emails you selected, plotting by month and by year in Emails by Time (if the emails span more than one year), and visualizing recipient of emails, which is a bit trickier than visualizing the senders because each email has only one sender, but potentially many recipients. Let me know if you have any feedback. You can report any issues on the bundle's GitHub issues page: https://github.com/sheriferson/Visualize.mmBundle/issues Cheers, Sherif ** I've actually tested it with over 100,000 messages, but it starts to take a few seconds longer to process and render at that point. Your mileage will vary depending on your machine. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
