[MlMt] Address scheme

2015-04-16 Thread Thomas Grundberg
By mistake I just sent a confidential document to an entire mailing 
list. Normally, I do check what’s in the address field before sending, 
but I was in a hurry and forgot.


The recipient address looked like this:
"Firstname Lastname something at gmail.com [listname]" yahoogroups.com>


The email was intended for the recipient with the gmail address, but 
instead went to a Yahoogroup. When I addressed the email, only the first 
part was visible in the address field, which probably contributed to me 
not noticing the wrong address.


As I also have a valid address to the same person – "Firstname 
Lastname something at gmail.com" – that pops up in the “To” field, 
I suppose that Mailmate somehow is trying to be helpful by picking up 
these kind of addresses from previous emails to this and other mailing 
lists.


Is it possible to get rid of this helpfulness?
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Re: [MlMt] Address scheme

2015-04-16 Thread Allie Martin

On 16 Apr 2015, at 6:15, Thomas Grundberg wrote:


The recipient address looked like this:
"Firstname Lastname something at gmail.com [listname]" yahoogroups.com>


I've noted this most annoying yahoogroups From name munging system 
apparently put in place to protect subscriber addresses from spammers.


The email was intended for the recipient with the gmail address, but 
instead went to a Yahoogroup. When I addressed the email, only the 
first part was visible in the address field, which probably 
contributed to me not noticing the wrong address.


Interesting that only the first part was visible.  hmmm.  Usually, I see 
the whole address.  But then, I typically send to only one address and 
only occasionally, to multiple recipients.


As I also have a valid address to the same person – "Firstname 
Lastname something at gmail.com" – that pops up in the “To” 
field, I suppose that Mailmate somehow is trying to be helpful by 
picking up these kind of addresses from previous emails to this and 
other mailing lists.


Yes.  But it's not MailMate doing this but your system contacts.

You likely have your system contacts syncing with your contacts in your 
provider address book.



Is it possible to get rid of this helpfulness?


What I had to do to prevent this was to disable the automatic creation 
of new contacts for 'unknown' recipients in my email provider address 
book that syncs with my Mac's contacts..


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Re: [MlMt] Address scheme

2015-04-16 Thread Thomas Grundberg

2015-04-16 kl 16:48 skrev Allie Martin:

Interesting that only the first part was visible.  hmmm.  Usually, I 
see the whole address.


Oh, sorry, I meant to say that the addresses only are partially visible 
in the pop-down list. After choosing an entry from the list, the whole 
address is visible in the “To” field.



Yes.  But it's not MailMate doing this but your system contacts.

You likely have your system contacts syncing with your contacts in 
your provider address book.


Thanks for the suggestion, Allie. I had to check, but the address book 
at my provider is empty. I’m using Contacts/iCloud for my addressing 
needs.


Well, still a mystery then. These strange hybrid addresses aren’t 
present in Mail (= Apple’s mail client).

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Re: [MlMt] Address scheme

2015-04-16 Thread Allie Martin

On 16 Apr 2015, at 10:14, Thomas Grundberg wrote:

Thanks for the suggestion, Allie. I had to check, but the address book 
at my provider is empty. I’m using Contacts/iCloud for my addressing 
needs.


Well, still a mystery then. These strange hybrid addresses aren’t 
present in Mail (= Apple’s mail client).


What I'd suggest is to go in the contacts and do a search for the 
yahoogroup.  Delete all the entries there.  After sending to the group 
again, see if a contact has been added again.  It shouldn't be happening 
if you're only using MailMate.


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Re: [MlMt] Address scheme

2015-04-16 Thread Thomas Grundberg

2015-04-16 kl 17:40 skrev Allie Martin:

What I'd suggest is to go in the contacts and do a search for the 
yahoogroup.  Delete all the entries there.  After sending to the group 
again, see if a contact has been added again.  It shouldn't be 
happening if you're only using MailMate.


Thanks again. I really do want to agree with your last sentence.

I followed your advice and deleted every reference to yahoogroups.com in 
Contacts. The strange adresses do not appear in Contacts, however, only 
in Mailmate, and the result is exactly the same as before, thusly:


If I start to type the name of the Yahoogroup, the addresses of all the 
individuals to whose posts I’ve responded appear in the pop-down list. 
A screen dump to elucidate my dilemma (names and addresses obfuscated to 
protect the innocent):

http://grundberg.se/temp/address_confusion.png

If these aren’t coming from Mailmate nor Contacts, then I really 
don’t know which black arts are involved.

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Re: [MlMt] Address scheme

2015-04-16 Thread Allie Martin

On 16 Apr 2015, at 16:25, Thomas Grundberg wrote:


Thanks again. I really do want to agree with your last sentence.


:-)

I followed your advice and deleted every reference to yahoogroups.com 
in Contacts. The strange adresses do not appear in Contacts, however, 
only in Mailmate, and the result is exactly the same as before, 
thusly:


Hmmm.

This is what I did.

- I deleted all yahoo groups addresses from my Mac contacts and from any 
other address book that my Mac contacts may be syncing with.


- I then disabled the option to automatically add addresses of 'unknown' 
recipients that I'm sending messages to.


In Gmail, the option is as shown in this screenshot:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/41751443/gmail_option.png

For LuxSci, my other email provider, the option is as shown here:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/41751443/luxsci_option.png

It was not until I disabled those two options that the 'problem' ended 
for me.  I really disliked when writing a fresh message to a yahoo group 
that a members name would appear.  Very tacky when I'm not writing to 
the member specifically.  I no longer have the problem except that I now 
have to manually type the yahoo group address or copy it from another 
message.


LuxSci simply uses the system address book.  I don't see from my 
personal experience of it where it recalls addresses by itself.  Maybe 
it does, but that's not my experience, not unless the address is 
auto-added to my mail provider address book for which I connect to with 
my phone using Exchange leading ultimately to the syncing of those 
addresses with my Mac contacts.


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