Re: [MlMt] Key binding selector for closing the message window
On 28 Feb 2015, at 8:36, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: > On 27 Feb 2015, at 21:29, Kai Großjohann wrote: > >> I can't find a keybinding selector for closing the message... > > I probably haven't listed that, but you can use `performClose:` It works! Like a charm! Splendid! Kai ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Using Rules to trim a Smart mailbox
This is a bit of a tangent but somewhat related. Is there any way to set up a rule that compares the current date to the name of an IMAP folder? The idea: Periodically, I have a slew of emails that I'll need to deal with at some specific future date. So I set up several different IMAP folders, one for each such date, and name them by the date in question. If I could create a smart folder that recognizes that today's date matches the name of the folder and brings those emails in, that would be very useful. Bart On 26 Feb 2015, at 10:55, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 26 Feb 2015, at 15:48, David O'Donnell wrote: I had set up a Smart Mailbox to filter the messages from my INBOX into a separate folder and created a rule to move messages that were over 14 days old… but at some point in the past couple of months, the rule stopped working. When I tried to edit the rule today, I noticed that there is no comparison operator. So, e.g., the rule now reads “Date > Relative” “is” “14 days ago,” when I really want “if relative date is >= 14 days ago” since the rule clearly isn’t always getting triggered when a message is moved into the destination mailbox (by another rule attached to the Smart Mailbox). Am I missing something obvious, or is it just not possible to achieve what I want? Just select “Date” and you'll have usable comparison options. (I should hide the “relative” variant since it neither works for this purpose and is very slow to use.) Also note the other replies you got. Currently, rules with date conditions do not work as expected since they are never triggered. You have to create a separate smart mailbox with the date condition and then add an actions-only rule to that. (I do plan to improve this.) -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Using Rules to trim a Smart mailbox
On 28 Feb 2015, at 10:40, Bart Lipman wrote: This is a bit of a tangent but somewhat related. Is there any way to set up a rule that compares the current date to the name of an IMAP folder? The idea: Periodically, I have a slew of emails that I'll need to deal with at some specific future date. So I set up several different IMAP folders, one for each such date, and name them by the date in question. If I could create a smart folder that recognizes that today's date matches the name of the folder and brings those emails in, that would be very useful. I think you could achieve this using the Conditions tab in the Smart Mailbox settings. The main condition would be: Date *is exactly* — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Using Rules to trim a Smart mailbox
On 28 Feb 2015, at 16:40, Bart Lipman wrote: The idea: Periodically, I have a slew of emails that I'll need to deal with at some specific future date. Totally different idea: sent a response to yourself later. In your email compose window, you can select the "Send Later" header:  What do you think? Kai ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Using Rules to trim a Smart mailbox
I'm not sure I see the idea. It would be to forward the emails to myself on that date? Or to write the responses earlier and send them on the date? The latter wouldn't work for me -- often the waiting for a certain date is because that's when I'll have information I need. But the former might -- I'll have to think about that. Or do you have something else in mind? Bart On 28 Feb 2015, at 14:34, Kai Großjohann wrote: On 28 Feb 2015, at 16:40, Bart Lipman wrote: The idea: Periodically, I have a slew of emails that I'll need to deal with at some specific future date. Totally different idea: sent a response to yourself later. In your email compose window, you can select the "Send Later" header:  What do you think? Kai [PastedImage.png] ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Using Rules to trim a Smart mailbox
If I understand correctly (which is always unlikely), I don't think this works. This would pick out emails which have a certain date on them, not all emails in a folder where the folder has a certain date as its name. Or am I misinterpreting? Bart On 28 Feb 2015, at 13:33, Allie Martin wrote: On 28 Feb 2015, at 10:40, Bart Lipman wrote: This is a bit of a tangent but somewhat related. Is there any way to set up a rule that compares the current date to the name of an IMAP folder? The idea: Periodically, I have a slew of emails that I'll need to deal with at some specific future date. So I set up several different IMAP folders, one for each such date, and name them by the date in question. If I could create a smart folder that recognizes that today's date matches the name of the folder and brings those emails in, that would be very useful. I think you could achieve this using the Conditions tab in the Smart Mailbox settings. The main condition would be: Date *is exactly* — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Using Rules to trim a Smart mailbox
Send a response for yourself, then use the excellent search facilities to refer back to the original message, then act on the original message. The response to yourself can be deleted after that; it only existed so that something unread would show up in this thread in your inbox. Did that clarify? I have been wanting to use this functionality for decades, but somehow I never could get myself to be disciplined about it :-/ It will be interesting to hear how it works out for you. Kai On 28 Feb 2015, at 21:36, Bart Lipman wrote: I'm not sure I see the idea. It would be to forward the emails to myself on that date? Or to write the responses earlier and send them on the date? The latter wouldn't work for me -- often the waiting for a certain date is because that's when I'll have information I need. But the former might -- I'll have to think about that. Or do you have something else in mind? Bart On 28 Feb 2015, at 14:34, Kai Großjohann wrote: On 28 Feb 2015, at 16:40, Bart Lipman wrote: The idea: Periodically, I have a slew of emails that I'll need to deal with at some specific future date. Totally different idea: sent a response to yourself later. In your email compose window, you can select the "Send Later" header:  What do you think? Kai [PastedImage.png] ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Feature wish: execute command by name (command palette?)
WIBNI each command had a name, such as "Next Unread Message" or "Next Conversation", and there was a key I could press so that I could select amongst all the commands by typing letters to filter the list of all commands? Sublime Text calls it the command palette. Atom has adopted it. I think the JetBrains IDEs also have it. Of course, OSX has a search field in the Help menu of every application, which is nice but not quite the same thing. Kai ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Using Rules to trim a Smart mailbox
That clarifies, thanks. I think that works for at least some of the things I have. When it's one or two messages, that seems to work well. When it's, say, 15 interrelated messages, I'm less sure. I'll have to experiment. Thanks! Bart On 28 Feb 2015, at 16:01, Kai Großjohann wrote: Send a response for yourself, then use the excellent search facilities to refer back to the original message, then act on the original message. The response to yourself can be deleted after that; it only existed so that something unread would show up in this thread in your inbox. Did that clarify? I have been wanting to use this functionality for decades, but somehow I never could get myself to be disciplined about it :-/ It will be interesting to hear how it works out for you. Kai On 28 Feb 2015, at 21:36, Bart Lipman wrote: I'm not sure I see the idea. It would be to forward the emails to myself on that date? Or to write the responses earlier and send them on the date? The latter wouldn't work for me -- often the waiting for a certain date is because that's when I'll have information I need. But the former might -- I'll have to think about that. Or do you have something else in mind? Bart On 28 Feb 2015, at 14:34, Kai Großjohann wrote: On 28 Feb 2015, at 16:40, Bart Lipman wrote: The idea: Periodically, I have a slew of emails that I'll need to deal with at some specific future date. Totally different idea: sent a response to yourself later. In your email compose window, you can select the "Send Later" header:  What do you think? Kai [PastedImage.png] ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Using Rules to trim a Smart mailbox
On 28 Feb 2015, at 15:39, Bart Lipman wrote: If I understand correctly (which is always unlikely), I don't think this works. This would pick out emails which have a certain date on them, not all emails in a folder where the folder has a certain date as its name. Or am I misinterpreting? No, you're not misinterpreting. Back to the drawing board. — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Using Rules to trim a Smart mailbox
Ah, well. Thanks anyway. Bart On 28 Feb 2015, at 17:19, Allie Martin wrote: On 28 Feb 2015, at 15:39, Bart Lipman wrote: If I understand correctly (which is always unlikely), I don't think this works. This would pick out emails which have a certain date on them, not all emails in a folder where the folder has a certain date as its name. Or am I misinterpreting? No, you're not misinterpreting. Back to the drawing board. — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Nervous about integration with my smartphone
Hey I hope it's OK to share thoughts and feelings, LOL. TBH I haven't used a local mail client for a long, long time. Something changed recently that I think is making me want to bail on the browser-based experience and instead start rebuilding and flexing the powerful muscles that come from a local client -- MailMate looks a winner! But all that said, I confess I'm nervous. My experience in the past, maybe it sounds familiar to somebody, is that the mail handling on my local computer will become such a part of normal workflows... using anything else will shortly be entirely unsatisfactory. In the form of a question, do you use both MailMate and also some IMAP thing from your smartphone? I'm not really concerned about a quick check-in on someone else's computer and browser... I just want to integrate my computer and my phone, and don't think MailMate provides a one-stop answer(?). If you've solved this concern please tell me (us) how you did it? Thanks! ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Nervous about integration with my smartphone
I completely agree with you. Using MailMate "spoils" any other desktop mail experience. For my part, however, I've always used a fairly powerful desktop based email client, it was mutt (for years) before MailMate. I got an iPhone, and recognized that the email experience there is very limited. However, raw power is not necessarily what I want when I'm using email from my phone. I invariably want one of two things: 1. To search my email for a piece of information that I need right this instant 2. To glance at my inbox and see if anything is on fire For "glancing", the built in mail client on the iPhone is OK, and apps like Triage and Dispatch are rather good. When I'm at my desk I use the features of my mail client to keep the INBOX folder pretty clear of meaningless stuff, so glancing at it on the iPhone before I do my daily purge in MailMate (previously, mutt) is actually pretty informative as stuff comes in through the day. For "immediate fact finding", the full-text search in Mail on the iPhone is passable, I'm pretty sure it just uses IMAP SEARCH with fairly stupid arguments, and I have a good IMAP provider so that works out well. Unfortunately, there's nothing on the iPhone that supports searching based on IMAP keywords (to my knowledge), and I make heavy use of keywords to tag and organize my mail. I mitigate the issues with search by trying to break important information out of email into Omnifocus or synced notes, but of course I'm not perfect about this. The point of this long and rambling account is that I think the objectives of using email on a phone vs. on a desktop are so different, that it mostly doesn't matter that the phone mail clients are so feature-impoverished vs. MailMate. In a perfect world, there'd be a great app on the iPhone that ONLY searches mail and takes into account folders, keywords, flags, people, etc in a smart way. In this world, you can pretty much get by with the builtin client for information-seeking, and there are actually *good* options for "glancing" at email coming in to decide if you need to do something right now. I think a phone is a complement to a desktop app. I think it should not attempt to achieve feature parity. best, -- Marco On 28 Feb 2015, at 20:10, Sparky Doosan wrote: Hey I hope it's OK to share thoughts and feelings, LOL. TBH I haven't used a local mail client for a long, long time. Something changed recently that I think is making me want to bail on the browser-based experience and instead start rebuilding and flexing the powerful muscles that come from a local client -- MailMate looks a winner! But all that said, I confess I'm nervous. My experience in the past, maybe it sounds familiar to somebody, is that the mail handling on my local computer will become such a part of normal workflows... using anything else will shortly be entirely unsatisfactory. In the form of a question, do you use both MailMate and also some IMAP thing from your smartphone? I'm not really concerned about a quick check-in on someone else's computer and browser... I just want to integrate my computer and my phone, and don't think MailMate provides a one-stop answer(?). If you've solved this concern please tell me (us) how you did it? Thanks! ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Nervous about integration with my smartphone
On 28 Feb 2015, at 23:10, Sparky Doosan wrote: But all that said, I confess I'm nervous. My experience in the past, maybe it sounds familiar to somebody, is that the mail handling on my local computer will become such a part of normal workflows... using anything else will shortly be entirely unsatisfactory. This should be a reason to go with MailMate rather than not. :-) It will not break your WebMail as an alternative anyway. In the form of a question, do you use both MailMate and also some IMAP thing from your smartphone? I'm not really concerned about a quick check-in on someone else's computer and browser... I just want to integrate my computer and my phone, and don't think MailMate provides a one-stop answer(?). If you've solved this concern please tell me (us) how you did it? I don't know if you're using an Android phone or an iPhone. I find the Android offerings to be superior for email. Be that as it may, I now use an iPhone and find the email clients to have different strengths/weaknesses, with none really doing all the essentials. The main thing to definitely sort out when setting up your Smartphone app to tango with MailMate is to ensure that they use the same Archive, Sent, Junk and Trash folders. While you can manually configure this in MailMate, you may not be able to do so with your Smartphone client. It would be ideal to have MailMate, your Smartphone app and your WebMail use the same folders, but this is not always the case and depends on the configurability of your webmail/smartphone client. The other thing to sort out would be filtering. My WebMail offers good filtering and so does MailMate, provided MailMate is pretty much always running on one of my machines. So whatever filtering I can do using my WebMail interface, I'll do. The other, more sophisticated filtering, I'll do with MailMate and try to keep it running most of the time. After that, it's pretty much downhill from there. Whatever you do in one app will be reflected in the other. Good luck! — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Nervous about integration with my smartphone
I'm in the unfortunate situation that my corporation currently only allow "push mail", meaning I cannot use any custom mail client on my phone - just the builtin ones. For me that is iphone mail client. Thus my options are limited. Thus I've for now adapted and have the following setup: * redirect all my mail on the mailserver to go to '_inbox' (so my default inbox is empty) * using imapfilter (https://github.com/lefcha/imapfilter) to filter mails in _inbox into folders, anything unknown goes to _unsorted and stuff that is known but not in a list goes to _incoming * on mailmate - a bunch of smartfolders letting me triage/walk through my mail, using Flag to indicate things I need to look at * primary activity on phone - used for urgent responses in _incoming / _unsorted and then for flagging for further processing * secondary on phone - since everything is sorted into folders I can go and find what I want on the phone ... ..oh and I also use web access if everything else fails and here sorted to folders helps too because...well, mail webui tends to suck so I like my folders ;) /max Hey I hope it's OK to share thoughts and feelings, LOL. TBH I haven't used a local mail client for a long, long time. Something changed recently that I think is making me want to bail on the browser-based experience and instead start rebuilding and flexing the powerful muscles that come from a local client -- MailMate looks a winner! But all that said, I confess I'm nervous. My experience in the past, maybe it sounds familiar to somebody, is that the mail handling on my local computer will become such a part of normal workflows... using anything else will shortly be entirely unsatisfactory. In the form of a question, do you use both MailMate and also some IMAP thing from your smartphone? I'm not really concerned about a quick check-in on someone else's computer and browser... I just want to integrate my computer and my phone, and don't think MailMate provides a one-stop answer(?). If you've solved this concern please tell me (us) how you did it? Thanks! ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate /max http://about.me/maxandersen ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
