Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] RMS and Jobs

2011-10-10 Thread unni krishnan 
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Jos Collin  wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 09, 2011 at 08:34:51PM -0700, Praseed Pai wrote:
>> As far as I am concerned , Steve Jobs brought back MAC OS X into the 
>> mainstream and It has helped lot of people
>> in Kerala to make a good living through it. Now , there are close to five 
>> thousand iOS developers in Kerala alone.
>>
>> Ideally , we programmers should love people like Bill (for making computing 
>> ubiquitous ) , Stall ( for paving way
>> for Linux to become a Industrial strength OS through GNU tools) and Jobs 
>> (for making computing a pleasant activity ) for  making
>> this world better for us.
>>
>
> That is just bull shit right? It is like saying we should love the Devil, 
> because he will also do
> good things for us !!!

Because of those "bull shits" now you are able to use a personal
computer and sent this mail insulting the same innovation that you are
enjoying.

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Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] RMS and Jobs

2011-10-10 Thread Siju George 
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 4:24 PM, unni krishnan  wrote:
>
> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Jos Collin  wrote:
> > On Sun, Oct 09, 2011 at 08:34:51PM -0700, Praseed Pai wrote:
> >> As far as I am concerned , Steve Jobs brought back MAC OS X into the 
> >> mainstream and It has helped lot of people
> >> in Kerala to make a good living through it. Now , there are close to five 
> >> thousand iOS developers in Kerala alone.
> >>
> >> Ideally , we programmers should love people like Bill (for making 
> >> computing ubiquitous ) , Stall ( for paving way
> >> for Linux to become a Industrial strength OS through GNU tools) and Jobs 
> >> (for making computing a pleasant activity ) for  making
> >> this world better for us.
> >>
> >
> > That is just bull shit right? It is like saying we should love the Devil, 
> > because he will also do
> > good things for us !!!
>
> Because of those "bull shits" now you are able to use a personal
> computer and sent this mail insulting the same innovation that you are
> enjoying.
>

When you make RMS God naturally every one he opposes and speak against
becomes the devil naturally!

--Siju

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Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] RMS and Jobs

2011-10-10 Thread Althaf 
All my respect for stallman goes to the drain, such an insensitive fanatic
human, admiting that he has done great things, however i dont support his
immature comment.
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Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] RMS and Jobs

2011-10-10 Thread Dibu Philip 
This proves that FSF is equivalent to some 'extremist' group.

I am a strong Free Software advocate and a fan; but that doesn't mean I am
against the proprietary stuff; and even if one is against something or
someone, death is not the time to make such absurd comments.

Steve Jobs or Bill Gates did not point a gun on each of our head and asked
us to use their products. Did they? It is their freedom to make their
products; as it is our freedom to choose an iMAc, Microsoft, or GNU/Linux.

I understand that the comment, '"I'm not glad he's dead, but I'm glad he's
gone." was not made by RMS, but he just quoted Chicago Mayor Harold
Washington. But I don't think any sensible man would write  *Steve Jobs, the
pioneer of the computer as a jail made cool, designed to sever fools from
their freedom, has died *and *But we all deserve the end of Jobs' malign
influence on people's computing. Unfortunately, that influence continues
despite his absence.*

Ok, if RMS was so much against Apple and Microsoft, why does he provide
GNU/Emacs for Windows and MacOSX?? I once asked him about this and he
replied "That gives Windows users a taste of freedom.

If the page does not explain this point, it should.
So I will take a look."

Nothing has been done in this regard too!!


So RMS is no God and I'd call Linux Linux and NOT GNU/Linux from now! Linux
Rox!!

Dibu John Philip

Cell: +91 94 9633 7069
E-mail: dibujphi...@ieee.org

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Twitter: http://twitter.com/dibujphilip



On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Althaf  wrote:

> All my respect for stallman goes to the drain, such an insensitive fanatic
> human, admiting that he has done great things, however i dont support his
> immature comment.
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Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] RMS and Jobs

2011-10-10 Thread A. Mani 
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Jishnu  wrote:
> Please read this post http://www.muktware.com/news/2618
>

+1


Stallman just spoke facts and I appreciate his honesty. There was
nothing personal in his remark. The way some maudlins are reacting on
the Internet looks like he said  "Steve jobs was evil all through, I
wanted him dead all along and now I regret that he did not die at my
hands" :) ...

All of the innovation came from others and Jobs stole designs as well.
Apple is no innovative company ... the general thinking of marketing
people like Jobs has been to 'avoid the headache of innovating' and
'if it is crap then market it as a feature'.
People with Xerox  for example developed windows, mouse, pull down
menus, WYSIWG, ethernet, laser printer ... but the company was more
interested in copier business. Their bureaucracy did not understand or
was not interested in marketing.  The development of PCs was due to a
large number of people and  Jobs hardly contributed except maybe at
the marketing level.



Best

A. Mani



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Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] RMS and Jobs

2011-10-10 Thread Siju George 
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Dibu Philip  wrote:
> This proves that FSF is equivalent to some 'extremist' group.
>
>
> Ok, if RMS was so much against Apple and Microsoft, why does he provide
> GNU/Emacs for Windows and MacOSX?? I once asked him about this and he
> replied "That gives Windows users a taste of freedom.
>

:-D Don't ask! FSF defines freedom in their own way. Then redefines it
any way any where any day. Their "freedom" has degraded over the years
just to be a smoke screen to attack people with differring views.

This is not the first time. Here is an excerpt

=

No.  We've accused you of being a either tremendously careless and
reckless with other people's reputations.  But there is an alternative
that you are purposefuly spreading these things -- ie. lying.

Meanwhile the FSF is doing exactly the same things in distributing
Emacs and GCC with commercial support in their distributions.  That
is hypcrotical.  You have been called on this issue, but you have told
people that it would be too much work to delete that stuff from gcc
and emacs.  Yeah, right.  That means you a hypocrite.

==

taken from

http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=119922427915604&w=2
http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=119914224923058&w=2
http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=119929775725550&w=2

To know his full logic insanity and hippocrisy follow

http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=119730630513821&w=2

--Siju

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Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] RMS and Jobs

2011-10-10 Thread Basil Kurian 
++1 to Altaf


On 10 October 2011 16:59, Althaf  wrote:

> All my respect for stallman goes to the drain, such an insensitive fanatic
> human, admiting that he has done great things, however i dont support his
> immature comment.
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Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] RMS and Jobs

2011-10-10 Thread Siju George 
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Dibu Philip  wrote:
> This proves that FSF is equivalent to some 'extremist' group.
>
> I am a strong Free Software advocate and a fan; but that doesn't mean I am
> against the proprietary stuff; and even if one is against something or
> someone, death is not the time to make such absurd comments.
>
> Steve Jobs or Bill Gates did not point a gun on each of our head and asked
> us to use their products. Did they? It is their freedom to make their
> products; as it is our freedom to choose an iMAc, Microsoft, or GNU/Linux.
>
> I understand that the comment, '"I'm not glad he's dead, but I'm glad he's
> gone." was not made by RMS, but he just quoted Chicago Mayor Harold
> Washington.
>

Most of the abusive language was not invented by people who use them.
So when some one abuses you you can say they are quoting some one else :-D

or better go and abuse some one and try saying you were only quoting
some one else!

--Siju

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