Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] Windows SDK Programming under Linux

2010-06-25 Thread Sameer 
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 01:38:52AM -0700, Praseed Pai wrote:
> Hi Jos/Tahir ,
>I am not interested in a flame war here.
> 
>Wine is a LGPL licensed free software.   
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_(software) )
> 
>I will paste a line from my blog here 
> 
>" Win32 API is a capable API and it's availability in Linux is a good  
> migration path to linux. " ( I think WineLib will help people to port their 
> existing app to be ported to Linux and release under GPL!!! )
> 
>I come for User group meeting ( developer stream ) and has educated people 
> about writing software for Linux. (It is not just talk about Licensing alone 
> !!! )
> 
>I want Linux to succeed to liberate ourselves from  Vendors like Microsoft.
>  
> 
>Any one who ignores Windows ( it is a necessary evil ) will be an 
> impoverished programmer and can harm the aspirations of people who depend 
> upon them. (our kids,siblings and parents might not share the same zeal 
> regarding the Free Software movement )
> 
>  Let us contribute some thing to the Free Software and talk about Freedom 
> later.

It is because that we forgot to talk about freedom and the free software 
philosophy or talk about it later, that this  mail has come. Free Software is a 
social movement and with social values and the philosophy comes contribution, 
development and everything else. 

> 
> regards
> Praseed Pai
>  
> PS :- if this is axed , freedom of expression is denied. I will be forced to 
> call this group is for people who are not interested in Computer Programming. 
>  
> 
> 
> --- On Wed, 6/23/10, Jos Collin  wrote:
> 
> > From: Jos Collin 
> > Subject: Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] Windows SDK Programming  under Linux
> > To: "This List discusses GNU/Linux & GNU, GPL Software " 
> > , e...@joscollin.org
> > Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 11:32 PM
> > > Why should we discuss about
> > Proprietary Software here. In this list, we discuss various
> > topics related to GNU/Linux and Free Software. Please
> > remember this before sending such mails.
> > > 
> > 
> > That's 100% right. A true Free Software supporter is not
> > only using Free Software, but he/she
> > rejects propreitary software. If you Reject Propreitary
> > Software then "Supporting Free Software"
> > follows it.
> > 
> > But Praseed, we are sad that you are not doing it. Not even
> > for a moment.
> > 
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Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] Windows SDK Programming under Linux

2010-06-25 Thread Sameer 
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 07:39:44PM +0530, Deepu Joseph wrote:
>1. Praseed's OP is about Wine, which is a free software. It is certainly
>of interest to programmers that windows code (which you have the liberty to
>release as free software) can be compiled using winelib and executed on
>Linux. Winelib is an easy way for people to port their software into the
>*nix world. Thus, I strongly feel that the comments against the OP are
>baseless and unwarranted.
> 
>2. @Jos describes the ethos of a free software supporter as one who not
>only promotes free software, but also denounces proprietary software. That
>is the ethos of the FSF, and cannot be generalised to define a "true free
>software supporter".


FSF is not the wholesale market/vendor or agent for Free Software. A Free 
Software supporter's true vision is to built a Free Software self sustaining 
community and hence his idea or philiosophy to denounce proprietary software it 
to realize that vision, even if it means to " give up conveniences and please 
others".

http://www.windows7sins.org

> 
>3. @Bobinson, take a look at
>http://www.law.ed.ac.uk/ahrc/script-ed/vol3-2/guadamuz.asp. Might be of
>interest to you.
> 
>4. @Joel Appreciate that your code has been downloaded more than 400
>times, but please let's refrain from making ad hominem remarks?
> 
> 
> On 24 June 2010 17:59, Joel Jose  wrote:
> 
> > Any one who ignores Windows ( it is a necessary evil ) will be an
> > impoverished programmer and can harm the aspirations of people who depend
> > upon them. (our kids,siblings and parents might not share the same zeal
> > regarding the Free Software movement )
> >
> > haa, so u want to step on 2 boats at the same time... ;P.
> >
> > How can we not ignore the institutionalized monopoly who does everything
> > possible(yeah there are some impossible elements in the universe that
> > doesn't require a window's license yet..for eg:  courage, wisdom and talent
> > !!)  to safeguards its own interest above the user community? There is no
> > neutral stance here... Either you are in collaboration with the monopoly...
> > or you not. Simple isnt it..as black and white.
> >
> > No one has become impoverished programmer just because he hasn't bought any
> > stuff that gates sells..infact, you could save urself the trouble of
> > continous reboots and those stupid BSODs, by switching to a fully baked
> > release like Debian, instead of a market driven semi-cooked windows.
> >
> >
> >   I come for User group meeting ( developer stream ) and has educated
> > people about writing software for Linux
> >
> > so which is the famous GNU project that u have worked for?.. or let me put
> > it this way.. have you written any code that got downloaded more than 400
> > times?? i can show u a lot of mine...
> >
> > http://code.google.com/p/bluecon/
> >
> > https://savannah.gnu.org/projects/gnatsweb
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > If the current trend of Microsoft continues, of that of introducing
> > purposefull bugs and mis-features into its products, so as to harrass the
> > consumers into buying a new release every year..well.. soon the tables will
> > be reversed..!! not a matter of hope.. just a matter of time!!.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Bobinson K B  wrote:
> >
> >> I have a doubt which is in a way (un)related to the topic.
> >>
> >> I am not sure, but is there a  clause in GPL variants or AGPL that
> >> says the license will not be applicable for a certain class of
> >> software  say, software to control nuclear reactors & a GPLed OS
> >> kernel should not be used on a weapon of mass destruction etc  ?
> >>
> >> ~ bobinson
> >>
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[ILUG-Cochin.org] OSI days!!

2010-06-25 Thread Dibu Philip 
All the Open Source freakz out there, check this out!!  http://osidays.com/

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Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] Windows SDK Programming under Linux

2010-06-25 Thread unni krishnan 
Praseed bhai,

As a tech your mail and all of your blog posts are interesting to me.
But you sent it to wrong list :-) .

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Praseed Pai  wrote:
> Hi all ,
>   I just explored Wine Project from a software development angle ( as opposed 
> to Emulation aspect ). I wrote a small Windows Program and compiled it under 
> Linux ( using WineLib )
>
> Pls. read about this process in my blog @ 
> http://praseedp.blogspot.com/2010/06/windows-sdk-programming-under-linux.html
>
> regards
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> http://praseedp.blogspot.com
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[ILUG-Cochin.org] Windows SDK Programming under Linux

2010-06-25 Thread Hari KT 
Hi guys ,

I was going through your mails . I don't know why you blamed Praseed Pai :)
.

I feel he is trying to move guys who are working mainly on Windows
environment to Linux too . First let them try GNU / Linux and feel it .

Before they start something like this , you started firing him :) ( I know
you were not firing though ) .

According to the Free Software Movement, what I know is not talking about
the price . Its talking mainly of the code , freedom to use and all ...

According to my knowledge how may companies and employees knows the licence
agreement of these ? Some are not licensed to use for commercial purposes .
Do you all follow the rules ?

:) .. I may be wrong too . Forgive me for my lack of knowledge :( .

Anyway I would love to support him .

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Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] Windows SDK Programming under Linux

2010-06-25 Thread Bobinson K B 
I second you Hari ! This attitude will eventually kill FOSS and prevent
anyone adopting it & spreading it. Really sad !


~ bobinson

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On 25 June 2010 23:10, Hari KT  wrote:

> Hi guys ,
>
> I was going through your mails . I don't know why you blamed Praseed Pai :)
> .
>
> I feel he is trying to move guys who are working mainly on Windows
> environment to Linux too . First let them try GNU / Linux and feel it .
>
> Before they start something like this , you started firing him :) ( I know
> you were not firing though ) .
>
> According to the Free Software Movement, what I know is not talking about
> the price . Its talking mainly of the code , freedom to use and all ...
>
> According to my knowledge how may companies and employees knows the licence
> agreement of these ? Some are not licensed to use for commercial purposes .
> Do you all follow the rules ?
>
> :) .. I may be wrong too . Forgive me for my lack of knowledge :( .
>
> Anyway I would love to support him .
>
> -
> *Thanks and Regards *
>
> *Hari K T*  [image: icon-twitter.png]   [image:
> icon-linkedin.png]   [image: 
> github.png]
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> facebook.png] 
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> http://harikt.com
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Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] Windows SDK Programming under Linux

2010-06-25 Thread Sameer 
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 12:11:38AM +0530, Bobinson K B wrote:
> I second you Hari ! This attitude will eventually kill FOSS and prevent
> anyone adopting it & spreading it. Really sad !
>
That does not make sense.
If supporting proprietary software and taking soft stand on it would kill Free 
Software better be it.
I dont think the Free Software Movement ever needed to  be like that.
> 
> ~ bobinson
> 
> --
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 25 June 2010 23:10, Hari KT  wrote:
> 
> > Hi guys ,
> >
> > I was going through your mails . I don't know why you blamed Praseed Pai :)
> > .
> >
> > I feel he is trying to move guys who are working mainly on Windows
> > environment to Linux too . First let them try GNU / Linux and feel it .
> >
> > Before they start something like this , you started firing him :) ( I know
> > you were not firing though ) .
> >
> > According to the Free Software Movement, what I know is not talking about
> > the price . Its talking mainly of the code , freedom to use and all ...
> >
> > According to my knowledge how may companies and employees knows the licence
> > agreement of these ? Some are not licensed to use for commercial purposes .
> > Do you all follow the rules ?
> >
> > :) .. I may be wrong too . Forgive me for my lack of knowledge :( .
> >
> > Anyway I would love to support him .
> >
> > -
> > *Thanks and Regards *
> >
> > *Hari K T*  [image: icon-twitter.png]   [image:
> > icon-linkedin.png]   [image: 
> > github.png]
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