Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] chrome is coming ....

[Jos Collin]

Is it running on google's server. The name "Web Centered OS" seems to
be running in google's server and the users will get an interface. If
it is running on google's server then it doesn't respect your freedom,
even if it is free or not. Because you are not in control of your
computing. Suppose if google publish this software and I'm running it
on my server for you. Then also no matter how much nice guy I am, you
are not in control of your computing.

- Jos Collin

On 09/07/2009, Anoop Alias  wrote:
> Will the chrome OS have a shell?. As long as it has one i dont care
>
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Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] chrome is coming ....

[Sunjith P S]

If google publish the software, I have the freedom to choose whether to use the 
one you run on your server or to run on my server.

>Suppose if google publish this software and I'm running it
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Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] chrome is coming ....

[Jos Collin]

Yes. Ofcourse. But you are in control of your computing only if you
have your own licensed copy of the OS and run it on your computer.
Atleast your server. Not myserver or ILUG's server or any other
machine. Just curiosity, why any people what to do this? Nowadays,
it's not haard to get your own computer and OS.

I have heard from many people that this is a great advancement in
technology. But they don't know that it is the worst.

- Jos Collin

On 09/07/2009, Sunjith P S  wrote:
> If google publish the software, I have the freedom to choose whether to use
> the one you run on your server or to run on my server.
>
>>Suppose if google publish this software and I'm running it
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Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] chrome is coming ....

[Sunjith P S]

>I have heard from many people that this is a great advancement in
>technology.

What? Someone being able to use OS running on another's server?

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Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] chrome is coming ....

[Jos Collin]

Yes. Many people tell that it is very good idea. But no matter if it
is free or not, you are not in control of your computing. I think
google is the No:1 in providing these kind of nasty services. I heard
that google docs do the same. But this OS is new to me. Thank you for
letting me know about it. Btw, what is its name? chrome right?

On 09/07/2009, Sunjith P S  wrote:
>>I have heard from many people that this is a great advancement in
>>technology.
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> What? Someone being able to use OS running on another's server?
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Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] chrome is coming ....

[Jain Johny]

Please read
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html

It seems like a lightweight linux OS which runs Google's window manager.
This window manager will be (like) a web browser. I guess that there will be
a
GUI to configure network.

Smells like geekbox's idea; Mediaplayer replaced with web browser.

This will be good for people living entirely on Internet - who don't care
about
what is in their local box!

~Jain

On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Jos Collin  wrote:

> Is it running on google's server. The name "Web Centered OS" seems to
> be running in google's server and the users will get an interface. If
> it is running on google's server then it doesn't respect your freedom,
> even if it is free or not. Because you are not in control of your
> computing. Suppose if google publish this software and I'm running it
> on my server for you. Then also no matter how much nice guy I am, you
> are not in control of your computing.
>
> - Jos Collin
>
> On 09/07/2009, Anoop Alias  wrote:
> > Will the chrome OS have a shell?. As long as it has one i dont care
> >
> > :)
> >
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[ILUG-Cochin.org] Fwd: [fsug-tvm] Re: Gimp Workshop

[sooraj kenoth]

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Date: 2009/7/9
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friends, i made the following decision.( thread started
from---ilug-...@googlegroups.com)


   1. a two days GIMP training program will be conducted at kanghagad on
  august 8th and 9th.
  2. the class is handled by at least 3 persons
 1. a good professional graphic designer(will lead the program).
 2. a trainer, having two years training experience(in photo shop)
 at a leading multimedia training institute
 3. a person who is familiar with Debian/ubuntu(in gnome)
  3. there will be a text book(only digital copy), which will improve
  the effectiveness of the program.


where is kanhagad:

   - it is a major town in kasaragod district.
   - it is the nearest point to the bakel fort, ananthasramam,
   nithyananthasram.

why kanghagad?

   - there a good amount of people who need the help of free software
   community
   - there are less aware about the community.
   - kasaragod is my home town(even though now i'm not there)

what are the felicities at kanghagad?

   - it on NH-17
   - have railway station, where most of the trains have stop.
   - there are good hotels relatively at cheaper rates
   - there is also a gov. gust house.

if you people are interested i get you more information(regarding train
timings hotel rent etc.)


2009/7/7 sooraj kenoth 

i'm trying to prove that the free software application has good commercial
> value and are more reliable.
>
> if i'm conducting it in a college it is difficult to project its commercial
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>  2009/7/6 Navaneeth T 
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> Hi
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Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] chrome is coming ....

[antony.maliakal]

 
The idea of a netbook whose OS has to be constantly online is probably
not going to click
Especially in a place where they define broadband with 256kbps and stop
there.
But as mentioned the offline versions of google docs etc would be there

I believe from the announcement, that, it's a linux kernel on which you
will have a Gnome or KDE like interface
Probably something androidish version of an OS I assume.
All things like Office equivalent software might be online or even their
offline versions might be available.
I believe that you'll be using your own software and hardware

But maybe there is somethings that are online.
I think Google might try to formalize Google Drive for file storage on
their servers
But with everything coming out of beta, I think that most of those
elements will be incorporated into the OS

But things which are of concern is:
1) How much of it will be online
2) Virus-free?? That is generally something that's attributed to the
linux kernel because of its OS approaches not due to google doing the
code really good.

Lets wait for the beta to come out and then decide.
It is a bit scary, google pretty much has all our lives in storage. 
(1. Email, 2. Orkut [social life], 3. Youtube [preferences])
Should one company be in control of such a huge part of virtual life?

Antony

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Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] A small gift for you.

[madhu kannan]

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Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] chrome is coming ....

[Jos Collin]

Again why? Why you have to do this?

On 09/07/2009, antony.malia...@wipro.com  wrote:
>
> The idea of a netbook whose OS has to be constantly online is probably
> not going to click
> Especially in a place where they define broadband with 256kbps and stop
> there.
> But as mentioned the offline versions of google docs etc would be there
>
> I believe from the announcement, that, it's a linux kernel on which you
> will have a Gnome or KDE like interface
> Probably something androidish version of an OS I assume.
> All things like Office equivalent software might be online or even their
> offline versions might be available.
> I believe that you'll be using your own software and hardware
>
> But maybe there is somethings that are online.
> I think Google might try to formalize Google Drive for file storage on
> their servers
> But with everything coming out of beta, I think that most of those
> elements will be incorporated into the OS
>
> But things which are of concern is:
> 1) How much of it will be online
> 2) Virus-free?? That is generally something that's attributed to the
> linux kernel because of its OS approaches not due to google doing the
> code really good.
>
> Lets wait for the beta to come out and then decide.
> It is a bit scary, google pretty much has all our lives in storage.
> (1. Email, 2. Orkut [social life], 3. Youtube [preferences])
> Should one company be in control of such a huge part of virtual life?
>
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[ILUG-Cochin.org] ssk meeting irimpanam

[thomas yoyaku]

S.S.K
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FIRST
MEETING 




 Date and Time:
10-7-09 Friday, 2.30 P.M 




 Venue: Main
Hall, V.H.S.S IRIMPANAM 




AGENDA 




Introduction for Free
Software  by Sreenadh, 'ILUG' COCHIN 






 2. Technical
Presentation by students on "Malayalam
Computing" 

  Presented by 

   1.Abhinav
Thomas Std VIII 

   2.Rimal
Mathew   Std X 

   3.Geegu
Varghese Std X 




3. Technical
Presentation on "GIMP"


By:Thomas
Yoyaku P (Teacher) 




Interaction between
Students, Teachers and 'ILUG' Members 



Conclusion
 


 
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Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] bsnl gprs in debian

[hari krishnan]

Nothing more than
Jul  9 22:05:29 tester pppd[4993]: LCP terminated by peer 
(^...@^@^...@^@^...@^@)
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[ILUG-Cochin.org] student user group- first meeting

[sanalkumar mr]

Dear all
   The support from the free software community , especially *ILUG
Kochi* , was the secret of the success behind Swathanthra Software Sangamam
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*Date  :  10-7-2009 (Friday) 2.30 p.m
Venue  :  Main Hall , VHSS Irimpanam*
Agenda of the meeting :
Introduction to free software : *Sreenadh.H and Venkat* (ILUG Kochi members)
Technical Presentation by Students on Malayalam Computing (History of
Malayalam Computing in brief, Dhvani- Malayalam text to speech
engine,Malayalam ,English Malayalam dictionary,Matrix malayalam screen
saver, Malayalam typing made easy with inscript , advantages of inscript and
the logic of inscript keyboard layout etc.)

Technical Presentation by Thomas Yoyak (Teacher , Coordinator, Swathanthra
Software Koottayma) on GIMP
Interaction among students,Ilug members and teachers
We expect support from the community members in every respect and it is
essential fo the existence of this "too young" group. Your presence in the
meeting will be a great support to us.And if you share something with the
students and will be reflected in the next generation.Thanks in advance.
A detailed report on Swathanthra Software Sangamam held in the school-
http://vhssirimpanam.org/?p=295&preview=true (plz visit and add your
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Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] bsnl gprs in debian

[unni krishnan]

Try Stupid mode = yes in /etc/wvdial.conf

send the content in /etc/wvdial.conf , if that is not working


On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 10:08 PM, hari krishnan wrote:
> Nothing more than
> Jul  9 22:05:29 tester pppd[4993]: LCP terminated by peer 
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Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] bsnl gprs in debian

[unni krishnan]

Also are you sure that the "Access Point Name" is
gprssouth.cellone.in. I can see there is two zone in south soth a and
b. The bsnlsouth is the access point in south a, I think so.

What is the configuration in your windows ?

On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 5:53 AM, unni krishnan wrote:
> Try Stupid mode = yes in /etc/wvdial.conf
>
> send the content in /etc/wvdial.conf , if that is not working
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 10:08 PM, hari krishnan wrote:
>> Nothing more than
>> Jul  9 22:05:29 tester pppd[4993]: LCP terminated by peer 
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>> Jul  9 22:05:29 tester pppd[4993]: Modem hangup
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Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] chrome is coming ....

[madhu kannan]

Should there be a open alternative to Google ? a Gnugle which offers mail ,
im, social networking like Google or yahoo ?



> > It is a bit scary, google pretty much has all our lives in storage.
> > (1. Email, 2. Orkut [social life], 3. Youtube [preferences])
> > Should one company be in control of such a huge part of virtual life?
> >
> > Antony
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Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] chrome is coming ....

[Fayaz useful]

For a simple reason, its nice to have your own OS with you wherever you're
going. (At least where there is internet)
And I think this is can be attributed as a triumph for FOSS that such an
idea is coming to realization. I don't think Google would have even thought
of something like this if a free and open kernel was not available. And,
yeah, Google is seeming to be taking control, but a lot of people have
benefited from its services... (Unlike some other corporates I know of :P --
Read Micro$oft)
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> Again why? Why you have to do this?
>
>
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Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] chrome is coming ....

[Jos Collin]

Finally, if you don't recognize your freedom, you won't value it. If
you don't value your freedom, you won't defend it. If you don't defend
your freedom, you are going to loose it. Like this.

You don't value your freedom. That's the reason you are thinking about
silly conveniences like chrome.

- Jos Collin

On 10/07/2009, Fayaz useful  wrote:
> For a simple reason, its nice to have your own OS with you wherever you're
> going. (At least where there is internet)
> And I think this is can be attributed as a triumph for FOSS that such an
> idea is coming to realization. I don't think Google would have even thought
> of something like this if a free and open kernel was not available. And,
> yeah, Google is seeming to be taking control, but a lot of people have
> benefited from its services... (Unlike some other corporates I know of :P --
> Read Micro$oft)
> An intuitive ethical introvert
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 22:00, Jos Collin  wrote:
>
>> Again why? Why you have to do this?
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] chrome is coming ....

[madhu kannan]

A Gmail user don't know what Google is doing with the contents or how they
operate , isn't it  loosing your freedom for a silly conveniance for  email
:-)






On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Jos Collin  wrote:

> Finally, if you don't recognize your freedom, you won't value it. If
> you don't value your freedom, you won't defend it. If you don't defend
> your freedom, you are going to loose it. Like this.
>
> You don't value your freedom. That's the reason you are thinking about
> silly conveniences like chrome.
>
> - Jos Collin
>
> On 10/07/2009, Fayaz useful  wrote:
> > For a simple reason, its nice to have your own OS with you wherever
> you're
> > going. (At least where there is internet)
> > And I think this is can be attributed as a triumph for FOSS that such an
> > idea is coming to realization. I don't think Google would have even
> thought
> > of something like this if a free and open kernel was not available. And,
> > yeah, Google is seeming to be taking control, but a lot of people have
> > benefited from its services... (Unlike some other corporates I know of :P
> --
> > Read Micro$oft)
> > An intuitive ethical introvert
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 22:00, Jos Collin  wrote:
> >
> >> Again why? Why you have to do this?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
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Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] chrome is coming ....

[Jos Collin]

That's not a problem. google doesn't take control of my computing if I
use their email service. The question is Why we have to use an OS and
other softwares, which are provided by google and give up our freedom?
The same exist in our computer or laptop, which grant us freedom. Why
whould I put all my softwares in somebody else's server and ask him to
control me?

- Jos Collin

On 10/07/2009, madhu kannan  wrote:
> A Gmail user don't know what Google is doing with the contents or how they
> operate , isn't it  loosing your freedom for a silly conveniance for  email
> :-)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Jos Collin  wrote:
>
>> Finally, if you don't recognize your freedom, you won't value it. If
>> you don't value your freedom, you won't defend it. If you don't defend
>> your freedom, you are going to loose it. Like this.
>>
>> You don't value your freedom. That's the reason you are thinking about
>> silly conveniences like chrome.
>>
>> - Jos Collin
>>
>> On 10/07/2009, Fayaz useful  wrote:
>> > For a simple reason, its nice to have your own OS with you wherever
>> you're
>> > going. (At least where there is internet)
>> > And I think this is can be attributed as a triumph for FOSS that such an
>> > idea is coming to realization. I don't think Google would have even
>> thought
>> > of something like this if a free and open kernel was not available. And,
>> > yeah, Google is seeming to be taking control, but a lot of people have
>> > benefited from its services... (Unlike some other corporates I know of
>> > :P
>> --
>> > Read Micro$oft)
>> > An intuitive ethical introvert
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 22:00, Jos Collin  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Again why? Why you have to do this?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
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Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] chrome is coming ....

[Jos Collin]

gmail is good. But it has a nasty spy feature too. I would like to
share it with you. It is the chat feature in gmail window. When ever I
log in to gmail, it informs every one online saying "Jos Collin has
logged in now". When ever I'm not working, it informs everybody saying
"Jos Collin is away". Afterwards, if I move my mouse, it informs
everybody saying "jos Collin is back online". Anyway, google provides
the option to turn off the chat window, so that I can say "Hey don't
send out anything". Or we can use a text browser to completely avoid
it.

- Jos Collin

On 10/07/2009, Jos Collin  wrote:
> That's not a problem. google doesn't take control of my computing if I
> use their email service. The question is Why we have to use an OS and
> other softwares, which are provided by google and give up our freedom?
> The same exist in our computer or laptop, which grant us freedom. Why
> whould I put all my softwares in somebody else's server and ask him to
> control me?
>
> - Jos Collin
>
> On 10/07/2009, madhu kannan  wrote:
>> A Gmail user don't know what Google is doing with the contents or how
>> they
>> operate , isn't it  loosing your freedom for a silly conveniance for
>> email
>> :-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Jos Collin  wrote:
>>
>>> Finally, if you don't recognize your freedom, you won't value it. If
>>> you don't value your freedom, you won't defend it. If you don't defend
>>> your freedom, you are going to loose it. Like this.
>>>
>>> You don't value your freedom. That's the reason you are thinking about
>>> silly conveniences like chrome.
>>>
>>> - Jos Collin
>>>
>>> On 10/07/2009, Fayaz useful  wrote:
>>> > For a simple reason, its nice to have your own OS with you wherever
>>> you're
>>> > going. (At least where there is internet)
>>> > And I think this is can be attributed as a triumph for FOSS that such
>>> > an
>>> > idea is coming to realization. I don't think Google would have even
>>> thought
>>> > of something like this if a free and open kernel was not available.
>>> > And,
>>> > yeah, Google is seeming to be taking control, but a lot of people have
>>> > benefited from its services... (Unlike some other corporates I know of
>>> > :P
>>> --
>>> > Read Micro$oft)
>>> > An intuitive ethical introvert
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 22:00, Jos Collin  wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Again why? Why you have to do this?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
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Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] chrome is coming ....

[Sunjith P S]

Putting your software on somebody else's server is a service provided to you by 
that somebody else. It is your software that is running, you code it, modify it 
or do whatever you want with it. They serve you by keeping your software 
up-to-date, free from viruses, accessible from anywhere in the world etc.

- sunjith


> That's not a problem. google doesn't take control of my computing if I
> use their email service. The question is Why we have to use an OS and
> other softwares, which are provided by google and give up our freedom?
> The same exist in our computer or laptop, which grant us freedom. Why
> whould I put all my softwares in somebody else's server and ask him to
> control me?
> 
> - Jos Collin

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Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] chrome is coming ....

[Jos Collin]

Yes. It is a service. Even if I code it and giving it to them, I still
have no access to do anything that I want, on their server. I mean as
I have on my computer or my laptop. So I will use my computer as
server, I will keep the machine in my room. Then I will put my
softwares in that server and access it over the internet. That also,
only if it is necessary.

- Jos Collin


On 10/07/2009, Sunjith P S  wrote:
> Putting your software on somebody else's server is a service provided to you
> by that somebody else. It is your software that is running, you code it,
> modify it or do whatever you want with it. They serve you by keeping your
> software up-to-date, free from viruses, accessible from anywhere in the
> world etc.
>
> - sunjith
>
>
>> That's not a problem. google doesn't take control of my computing if I
>> use their email service. The question is Why we have to use an OS and
>> other softwares, which are provided by google and give up our freedom?
>> The same exist in our computer or laptop, which grant us freedom. Why
>> whould I put all my softwares in somebody else's server and ask him to
>> control me?
>>
>> - Jos Collin
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Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] chrome is coming ....

[Biju Jose]

How do you envisage "aam aadmi" who does not have the technical knowledge
and resources to run a server do his/her computing? 

Biju Jose
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Subject: Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] chrome is coming 

Yes. It is a service. Even if I code it and giving it to them, I still
have no access to do anything that I want, on their server. I mean as
I have on my computer or my laptop. So I will use my computer as
server, I will keep the machine in my room. Then I will put my
softwares in that server and access it over the internet. That also,
only if it is necessary.

- Jos Collin


On 10/07/2009, Sunjith P S  wrote:
> Putting your software on somebody else's server is a service provided to
you
> by that somebody else. It is your software that is running, you code it,
> modify it or do whatever you want with it. They serve you by keeping your
> software up-to-date, free from viruses, accessible from anywhere in the
> world etc.
>
> - sunjith
>
>
>> That's not a problem. google doesn't take control of my computing if I
>> use their email service. The question is Why we have to use an OS and
>> other softwares, which are provided by google and give up our freedom?
>> The same exist in our computer or laptop, which grant us freedom. Why
>> whould I put all my softwares in somebody else's server and ask him to
>> control me?
>>
>> - Jos Collin
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Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] chrome is coming ....

[Fayaz useful]

You still have the choice...
An intuitive ethical introvert


On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 11:34, Jos Collin  wrote:

> Yes. It is a service. Even if I code it and giving it to them, I still
> have no access to do anything that I want, on their server. I mean as
> I have on my computer or my laptop. So I will use my computer as
> server, I will keep the machine in my room. Then I will put my
> softwares in that server and access it over the internet. That also,
> only if it is necessary.
>
> - Jos Collin
>
>
>
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Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] chrome is coming ....

[Jain Johny]

On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 6:49 AM, madhu kannan wrote:

> Should there be a open alternative to Google ? a Gnugle which offers mail ,
> im, social networking like Google or yahoo ?
>

And how it will be different from G or Y!? How it will be "open"?
We can get its php/ajax source code? Or the source code of its backends?
Or the source code all other software running in their servers?
Or will everyone get user accounts in their servers? w/o a user account,
how can you be sure that they are running what they say they are running?

Or do you just mean mail/im/networking services from fsf.org? Even if it is
from fsf.org, how can it be different from G or Y!?

~Jain


>
>
>
>> > It is a bit scary, google pretty much has all our lives in storage.
>> > (1. Email, 2. Orkut [social life], 3. Youtube [preferences])
>> > Should one company be in control of such a huge part of virtual life?
>> >
>> > Antony
>>
>>
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Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] chrome is coming ....

[Jain Johny]

On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Jos Collin  wrote:

> gmail is good. But it has a nasty spy feature too. I would like to
> share it with you. It is the chat feature in gmail window. When ever I
> log in to gmail, it informs every one online saying "Jos Collin has
> logged in now". When ever I'm not working, it informs everybody saying
> "Jos Collin is away". Afterwards, if I move my mouse, it informs
> everybody saying "jos Collin is back online".


I dont understand how it is a "nasty spy" feature. It is how a good IM
client
should work. It automatically goes away when I am away. It goes green when
I comes back. And if I dont want others to know that I am online, I can be
invisible or as you said, I can turn it off.

BTW, I am not a fan of inbox chat. I always keep it turned off.
I use pidgin for IM.

~Jain

Anyway, google provides
> the option to turn off the chat window, so that I can say "Hey don't
> send out anything". Or we can use a text browser to completely avoid
> it.
>
> - Jos Collin
>
> On 10/07/2009, Jos Collin  wrote:
> > That's not a problem. google doesn't take control of my computing if I
> > use their email service. The question is Why we have to use an OS and
> > other softwares, which are provided by google and give up our freedom?
> > The same exist in our computer or laptop, which grant us freedom. Why
> > whould I put all my softwares in somebody else's server and ask him to
> > control me?
> >
> > - Jos Collin
> >
> > On 10/07/2009, madhu kannan  wrote:
> >> A Gmail user don't know what Google is doing with the contents or how
> >> they
> >> operate , isn't it  loosing your freedom for a silly conveniance for
> >> email
> >> :-)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Jos Collin 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Finally, if you don't recognize your freedom, you won't value it. If
> >>> you don't value your freedom, you won't defend it. If you don't defend
> >>> your freedom, you are going to loose it. Like this.
> >>>
> >>> You don't value your freedom. That's the reason you are thinking about
> >>> silly conveniences like chrome.
> >>>
> >>> - Jos Collin
> >>>
> >>> On 10/07/2009, Fayaz useful  wrote:
> >>> > For a simple reason, its nice to have your own OS with you wherever
> >>> you're
> >>> > going. (At least where there is internet)
> >>> > And I think this is can be attributed as a triumph for FOSS that such
> >>> > an
> >>> > idea is coming to realization. I don't think Google would have even
> >>> thought
> >>> > of something like this if a free and open kernel was not available.
> >>> > And,
> >>> > yeah, Google is seeming to be taking control, but a lot of people
> have
> >>> > benefited from its services... (Unlike some other corporates I know
> of
> >>> > :P
> >>> --
> >>> > Read Micro$oft)
> >>> > An intuitive ethical introvert
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 22:00, Jos Collin 
> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> Again why? Why you have to do this?
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >
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