RE: screen curtain

2010-07-28 Thread RvR
Hi,
That would be the ideal solution, however on iMacs it isn't possible to turn
the screen completely off. Unless someone knows otherwise. Please pretty
please... smile
Best,
Ronald



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Onderwerp: Re: screen curtain

and Plus whenthe screen curtainis on you still see a curser so yeah turnng
off the desplay is better.

S
On Jul 25, 2010, at 8:22 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

> For saving the battery, rather than using the screen curtain, I would turn
the display brightness all the way down to 0, that will totally turn off the
screen lighting.
> On Jul 25, 2010, at 4:20 PM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
> 
>> Hello!
>> 
>> I enable my screen curtain because A: I don't like people being able to
look over my shoulder while I'm using my computer, and B: I assume that it
saves a bit of battery power.  However, I was under the impression that the
screen curtain would behave like it does on the IPhone and reactivate
whenever I turn on voiceover or my computer. Should this in fact be the
case? Or is it normal to have to restart the screen curtain each time you
restart voiceover/the computer?
>> 
>> Thanks again for all the help.
>> 
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RE: screen curtain

2010-07-29 Thread RvR
Don't know about the Mini's, I am more interested in the iMACS. 
But I think as long as a monitor is connected to the Mini it don't matter if
its turned off or on. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
Cheers,
Ronald
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Onderwerp: Re: screen curtain

I don't know anything about the monitors but can you not hit the on off
switch for your mac mini's monitor? or will that confuse vo?
On Jul 28, 2010, at 10:41 AM, RvR wrote:

> Hi,
> That would be the ideal solution, however on iMacs it isn't possible 
> to turn the screen completely off. Unless someone knows otherwise. 
> Please pretty please... smile Best, Ronald
> 
> 
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> Onderwerp: Re: screen curtain
> 
> and Plus whenthe screen curtainis on you still see a curser so yeah 
> turnng off the desplay is better.
> 
> S
> On Jul 25, 2010, at 8:22 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> 
>> For saving the battery, rather than using the screen curtain, I would 
>> turn
> the display brightness all the way down to 0, that will totally turn 
> off the screen lighting.
>> On Jul 25, 2010, at 4:20 PM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello!
>>> 
>>> I enable my screen curtain because A: I don't like people being able 
>>> to
> look over my shoulder while I'm using my computer, and B: I assume 
> that it saves a bit of battery power.  However, I was under the 
> impression that the screen curtain would behave like it does on the 
> IPhone and reactivate whenever I turn on voiceover or my computer. 
> Should this in fact be the case? Or is it normal to have to restart 
> the screen curtain each time you restart voiceover/the computer?
>>> 
>>> Thanks again for all the help.
>>> 
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About Hotspots and Apple scrits/macros

2010-08-28 Thread RvR
Hello all!
Can someone please tell what is possible with creating Hotspots and Apple
scripts/macros concerning programs which aren't accessible? Is it for
instance possible to tag a specific point on screen with the mouse and then
make a hotspot of of it? 
Maybe anybody has a direct link to documentation on the subject, I can't
find detailed info on the Apple accessibility pages.
Thanks alot!
Ronald

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RE: About Hotspots and Apple scrits/macros

2010-08-28 Thread RvR
Hi Anne,
So in other words, VO has to "recognize" an object to make a hotspot out of
it? When a sighted person uses a mouse and points at something you cannot
make a hotspot out of that? 
Probably not, are there programs who can do this through scripting or
something?
Thanks,
Ronald 

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Onderwerp: Re: About Hotspots and Apple scrits/macros

Hello Ronald,

If an application is not accessible to VoiceOver, i.e. the VoiceOver cursor
cannot enter any or all of a window in that application, there is no way of
making it accessible.

However, unlabelled buttons can now be labelled.

Cheers,

Anne


On 28 Aug 2010, at 14:01, RvR wrote:

> Hello all!
> Can someone please tell what is possible with creating Hotspots and 
> Apple scripts/macros concerning programs which aren't accessible? Is 
> it for instance possible to tag a specific point on screen with the 
> mouse and then make a hotspot of of it?
> Maybe anybody has a direct link to documentation on the subject, I 
> can't find detailed info on the Apple accessibility pages.
> Thanks alot!
> Ronald
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RE: About Hotspots and Apple scrits/macros

2010-08-28 Thread RvR
Hello Anne,
That's a pity indeed. Maybe I will send Apple Accessibility a request for
such feature. 
Thanks for the useful information!
Best,
Ronald
 

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Onderwerp: Re: About Hotspots and Apple scrits/macros

Hello Ronald,

On 28 Aug 2010, at 16:49, RvR wrote:
> 
> So in other words, VO has to "recognize" an object to make a hotspot 
> out of it?
That's right.

> When a sighted person uses a mouse and points at something you cannot 
> make a hotspot out of that?
No, I've tried this and it doesn't work. VoiceOver is shut out of such
areas.

> Probably not, are there programs who can do this through scripting or 
> something?
Sadly, no.

Cheers,

Anne

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New Apple TV runs IOS 4.1

2010-09-28 Thread RvR
Hello all,
For all interested I read the new Apple TV will run on IOS 4.1, so hopefully
Voice Over is also included.
Best,
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RE: New Apple TV runs IOS 4.1

2010-09-29 Thread RvR
Hmm, that would be a shame. Perhaps Apple thinks that visual impaired people
don't need an Apple TV? LOL
I will keep hoping for VO though.
Greets,
Ronald 

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Onderwerp: Re: New Apple TV runs IOS 4.1

It won't come with voiceover; all that we have learnt is that it's running a
customised version of ios which can be jailbroken, although this almost
surtainly does not translate to us getting vo.

What we'll see is 3rd party addons to the front row type application that
enable services that the device should have had by default. I guess me
hoping for a complete ios port was a bit silly really.

REad more at
http://www.tuaw.com/2010/09/28/appletv-under-the-hood-first-look/

On 28/09/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
> It was alsojailboken. Read more.
>
> http://bit.ly/a15QBa.
> On Sep 28, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>
>> cool!
>>
>> Do you have a link for the article you found this at?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Ricardo
>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 4:43 PM, RvR wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>> For all interested I read the new Apple TV will run on IOS 4.1, so 
>>> hopefully Voice Over is also included.
>>> Best,
>>> Ronald
>>>
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RE: New Apple TV runs IOS 4.1

2010-09-29 Thread RvR
Apple just released their new Remote 2.0 app. It's universal this time, so
it works both on iPhone and iPad.
Hth,
Ronald
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Onderwerp: Re: New Apple TV runs IOS 4.1

I did and hit enter and nothing happened.

Take care.

S
On Sep 28, 2010, at 10:29 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> It works just fine.
> 
> I just did it on the first try.  I would suggest being in the sources
table before hitting add anew library on the remote app.  Then remember if
your devices is connect to your computer that you will see 2 names.  For
example, Ricardo's iPhone followed by the battery percentage, and Ricardo's
iPhone followed by the word sources.  This is the one you need to be on in
the sources table.  Then tab twice and you will here unknown.  Now type in
the 4 digit code displayed on your device in the remote app.  You will then
be able to brows and control your iTunes library via your Remote app.
> 
> hth
> On Sep 28, 2010, at 11:18 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> Actually the code for itunes for the remote is changed. I can now no
longer do it. I come across an unknown and can't do anything more with it.
This was going to be a podcast but I had to quit in the  middle of it.
>> http://db.tt/1FFbC8v
>> 
>> I'm really hoping this is operator error as I have not done this in about
3 months. lol!
>> 
>> S
>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 8:03 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> The remote app for IOS is accessible.  I would assume there will be a
place to type a code into Apple tv just like you type in a code on iTunes.
I guess you could just ask someone to do it for you?  A little inconvenient,
but not a show stopper for most I would think.
>>> 
>>> hth
>>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 10:57 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I believe so but I dunno how well it works. Oh no now that I think
about it how are you going ot enter in the code for the paring of these
devices?
>>>> 
>>>> S
>>>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 6:54 PM, Goldfinga Productions wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Can't one, in Theory, use the iPhone as a remote for it though? There
is a remote app for the iPhone.
>>>>> 
>>>>> GF
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 5:59 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> It won't come with voiceover; all that we have learnt is that 
>>>>>> it's running a customised version of ios which can be jailbroken, 
>>>>>> although this almost surtainly does not translate to us getting vo.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What we'll see is 3rd party addons to the front row type 
>>>>>> application that enable services that the device should have had 
>>>>>> by default. I guess me hoping for a complete ios port was a bit silly
really.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> REad more at 
>>>>>> http://www.tuaw.com/2010/09/28/appletv-under-the-hood-first-look/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 28/09/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
>>>>>>> It was alsojailboken. Read more.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> http://bit.ly/a15QBa.
>>>>>>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> cool!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Do you have a link for the article you found this at?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>> Ricardo
>>>>>>>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 4:43 PM, RvR wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>> For all interested I read the new Apple TV will run on IOS 
>>>>>>>>> 4.1, so hopefully Voice Over is also included.
>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>> Ronald
>>>>>>>>> 
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RE: New Apple TV runs IOS 4.1

2010-09-29 Thread RvR
Hey Ricardo,
No, sorry. Read it on a Dutch site with little further info or source.
The Apple TV is about to be available right? So we know pretty soon what's
the score.
Is your music career going smoothly btw? [smiles]
Cheers,
Ronald

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Onderwerp: Re: New Apple TV runs IOS 4.1

cool!

Do you have a link for the article you found this at?

Thanks
Ricardo
On Sep 28, 2010, at 4:43 PM, RvR wrote:

> Hello all,
> For all interested I read the new Apple TV will run on IOS 4.1, so 
> hopefully Voice Over is also included.
> Best,
> Ronald
> 
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RE: New Apple TV runs IOS 4.1

2010-09-29 Thread RvR
Hi Paul,
Remote 2.0 lets you control iTunes and the (new) Apple TV wirelessly. 
Regards,
Ronald
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Onderwerp: Re: New Apple TV runs IOS 4.1

Hi rvr,

What can you do with the Apple universal remote 2.0 ap that you mentioned?
- Original Message -
From: "RvR" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 10:33 AM
Subject: RE: New Apple TV runs IOS 4.1


> Apple just released their new Remote 2.0 app. It's universal this time, so
> it works both on iPhone and iPad.
> Hth,
> Ronald
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> Onderwerp: Re: New Apple TV runs IOS 4.1
>
> I did and hit enter and nothing happened.
>
> Take care.
>
> S
> On Sep 28, 2010, at 10:29 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>
>> It works just fine.
>>
>> I just did it on the first try.  I would suggest being in the sources
> table before hitting add anew library on the remote app.  Then remember if
> your devices is connect to your computer that you will see 2 names.  For
> example, Ricardo's iPhone followed by the battery percentage, and 
> Ricardo's
> iPhone followed by the word sources.  This is the one you need to be on in
> the sources table.  Then tab twice and you will here unknown.  Now type in
> the 4 digit code displayed on your device in the remote app.  You will 
> then
> be able to brows and control your iTunes library via your Remote app.
>>
>> hth
>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 11:18 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>
>>> Actually the code for itunes for the remote is changed. I can now no
> longer do it. I come across an unknown and can't do anything more with it.
> This was going to be a podcast but I had to quit in the  middle of it.
>>> http://db.tt/1FFbC8v
>>>
>>> I'm really hoping this is operator error as I have not done this in 
>>> about
> 3 months. lol!
>>>
>>> S
>>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 8:03 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> The remote app for IOS is accessible.  I would assume there will be a
> place to type a code into Apple tv just like you type in a code on iTunes.
> I guess you could just ask someone to do it for you?  A little 
> inconvenient,
> but not a show stopper for most I would think.
>>>>
>>>> hth
>>>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 10:57 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I believe so but I dunno how well it works. Oh no now that I think
> about it how are you going ot enter in the code for the paring of these
> devices?
>>>>>
>>>>> S
>>>>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 6:54 PM, Goldfinga Productions wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Can't one, in Theory, use the iPhone as a remote for it though? There
> is a remote app for the iPhone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> GF
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 5:59 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It won't come with voiceover; all that we have learnt is that
>>>>>>> it's running a customised version of ios which can be jailbroken,
>>>>>>> although this almost surtainly does not translate to us getting vo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What we'll see is 3rd party addons to the front row type
>>>>>>> application that enable services that the device should have had
>>>>>>> by default. I guess me hoping for a complete ios port was a bit 
>>>>>>> silly
> really.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> REad more at
>>>>>>> http://www.tuaw.com/2010/09/28/appletv-under-the-hood-first-look/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 28/09/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
>>>>>>>> It was alsojailboken. Read more.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://bit.ly/a15QBa.
>>>>>>>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> cool!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do you have a link for the article you found this at?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>&g

RE: New Apple TV runs IOS 4.1

2010-09-30 Thread RvR
Hi Sarah,
Silly you indeed .. LOL 
Just kidding of course, glad you figured it out after all!
Later,
Ronald
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Onderwerp: Re: New Apple TV runs IOS 4.1

Hey you all I feel stupid. I got the remote connected. I forgot that I
should *not* have the phone plugged in to the computer to set it up. All is
well and a podcast is coming shortly.

Keep us posted on the apple tv as I can see many benefits to this.

S
On Sep 29, 2010, at 11:33 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

> Probably, a friend of mine has his iphone set up as his windows 7 
> media center remote. And seemingly there is an application that will 
> let you use your iphone as a remote for a Samsung lcd / led tv as well.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Goldfinga 
> Productions
> Sent: Wednesday, 29 September 2010 2:55 p.m.
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New Apple TV runs IOS 4.1
> 
> Can't one, in Theory, use the iPhone as a remote for it though? There 
> is a remote app for the iPhone.
> 
> GF
> 
> 
> On Sep 28, 2010, at 5:59 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
> 
>> It won't come with voiceover; all that we have learnt is that it's 
>> running a customised version of ios which can be jailbroken, although 
>> this almost surtainly does not translate to us getting vo.
>> 
>> What we'll see is 3rd party addons to the front row type application 
>> that enable services that the device should have had by default. I 
>> guess me hoping for a complete ios port was a bit silly really.
>> 
>> REad more at
>> http://www.tuaw.com/2010/09/28/appletv-under-the-hood-first-look/
>> 
>> On 28/09/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
>>> It was alsojailboken. Read more.
>>> 
>>> http://bit.ly/a15QBa.
>>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>>> 
>>>> cool!
>>>> 
>>>> Do you have a link for the article you found this at?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Ricardo
>>>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 4:43 PM, RvR wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>> For all interested I read the new Apple TV will run on IOS 4.1, so 
>>>>> hopefully Voice Over is also included.
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Ronald
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Turning sound back on

2010-10-09 Thread RvR
Hello all,
Just accidently turned off the sound on my Mac Pro by selecting no sound for
the sound output probably ... stupid me. I couldn't get it back and have no
Voice Over to guide me.. Is there a shortcut to change the sound output?
Greatly appreciated!
Ronald

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RE: Turning sound back on

2010-10-10 Thread RvR
Many thanks for the replies and especially Ricardo's! It worked like a charm
and my Mac talks again [smiles] 
Love this list with all you knowledgeable folks.
Talk soon,
Ronald


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Onderwerp: Re: Turning sound back on

Hi Ronald,

Try doing this.  Press VO M to go to the menu bar then press VO spacebar.
Now press the letter S twice and press enter.  Then press tab once, and type
sound and press VO spacebar.  Now press vo right arrow twice to bring you to
the output tab and press VO spacebar to select it.  After that, press vo
right arrow 3 times and you will be in the output table.  press the up and
down arrows until sound comes back.

hth
On Oct 9, 2010, at 4:58 PM, RvR wrote:

> Hello all,
> Just accidently turned off the sound on my Mac Pro by selecting no 
> sound for the sound output probably ... stupid me. I couldn't get it 
> back and have no Voice Over to guide me.. Is there a shortcut to change
the sound output?
> Greatly appreciated!
> Ronald
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RE: I think I may have made a $99 mistake...

2010-10-12 Thread RvR
Hi,
Just came across this message a bit late and it is a real pity the new Apple
TV isn't accessible with Voice Over (yet). I say yet, because you folks
think it may come at a later time? Officially from Apple that is.
Fingers crossed then!
Friendly,
Ronald
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Onderwerp: Re: I think I may have made a $99 mistake...

I've included the message below. I'm hoping that the jailbreak community
will inadvertantly make things better for us at some point.
  Larry Wanger   30 September 2010 23:00 I sent the
following note to Apple Accessibility. No Voice Over on the ATV and the
remote app is rendered on the iPhone and iPad such that it can not really be
used either. Things will improve somewhat with Airplay once implemented but
not entirely. I hope others will consider writing as well.



Hi,



I want to share my displeasure with Apple as I've just learned that the new
Apple TV product does not currently offer any kind of access to blind and
low vision television viewers through implementation of Voice Over. I
learned of this by calling and speaking with a sales representative at Apple
who checked with one of your engineers to find out if accessibility features
were built in to the product. Whether Apple recognizes it or not, blind and
low vision people enjoy watching television and movies as well and Apple has
unfortunately missed out on an opportunity to continue to be a leader in
this important area of technology.



While I was somewhat surprised to learn the actual Apple TV box did not
offer Voice Over, I was even more surprised to learn that the newly updated
remote app fails to provide a meaningful solution. Had Apple implemented the
remote app for the ATV in the same way that it has allowed end users to use
Airtunes I suspect things would have been different. Recall that the remote
app essentially rendered the user's iTunes library, showing music, podcasts
and other media content. The user could scroll through content and choose
what to play. Best of all, Voice Over worked well with this app. A similar
implementation would have offered an accessible solution. Beyond this, my
understanding of the technical specifications of the ATV would indicate that
the box itself should have enough horse power to handle the same
implementation of Voice Over that we currently enjoy on other Apple
products.



I also would be remiss if I did not mention the recent passage and pending
presidential signing of the 21st Century Communications and Video
Accessibility Act. One of the provisions of this legislation is the
requirement for industry to develop set-top boxes that offer accessibility
features for blind and low vision users. While this has happened after Apple
developed this product, I mention it in hopes that Apple will consider being
a leader in this area by making its new ATV accessible in the near future.



Please know that like so many others, I am very appreciative of Apple's
efforts and leadership by including Voice Over on the iPhone, iPad and other
products. However, it seems that Voice Over could have been implemented on
this device as well. I look forward to being able to purchase and use the
new Apple TV in the future.


















On 09/10/2010, Goldfinga Productions  wrote:
> oh my... well thanks for the heads up.
>
> GF
>
>
> On Oct 9, 2010, at 2:29 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
>
>> I think someone posted a response that they got from accessibliity a 
>> couple of weeks ago where they were informed that the remote app 
>> wouldn't work. I can't find the exact message right now, but it was 
>> in the big thread that there was about apple tv in late september 
>> early october.
>>
>> On 09/10/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
>>> OH yeah I didn't think about that. You might be able to use the 
>>> remote app.
>>>
>>> S
>>> On Oct 9, 2010, at 10:20 AM, Goldfinga Productions wrote:
>>>
 Has anyone tried to control the apple tv with the iPhone or iPod touch?
 I know it may take some sighted help to set it up, but I wonder if 
 that would work at all. I should go get one and try it out.

 GF


 On Oct 9, 2010, at 11:21 AM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

> It has been my experience that even if accessibility did know 
> about an upcoming feature, (Which they probably won't), they will 
> be unable to tell you about it; it's just the way that Apple works.
>
> I'm sorry to hear about your loss of sight; but in this situation, 
> I think it would be best if you were to return the unit and get a 
> refund.
>
> On 09/10/2010, Carolyn Haas  wrote:
>> Hi:
>> I can't say for sure whether they are bringing voiceover to apple tv.
>> But I
>> would bet my next paycheck that if you contact accessibility, 
>> they would know, and/or Ap

RE: I think I may have made a $99 mistake...

2010-10-12 Thread RvR
Hi,
Anybody know how an Apple TV can be controlled with a Mac? 
Hopefully the Airplay app will be accessible soon after it's release. There
are already announcements from big companies like Marantz that certain
receivers, network players etc will be compatible with Airplay in november.
Best,
Ronald
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Onderwerp: Re: I think I may have made a $99 mistake...

If I remember correctly, it's possible to use an Apple computer with
VoiceOver turned on to control an Apple TV box.  You might send email to
accessibil...@apple.com and ask if this is the case or if an iPhone can be
used to do that just in case you haven't got an Apple computer.  I'm pretty
sure they will answer a question like that.  Sometimes in order to solve a
problem none of the doors can be used and it's a matter of finding that
secret panel and the passageway.On Sat, 9 Oct 2010, Ben Mustill-Rose
wrote:


> I've included the message below. I'm hoping that the jailbreak 
> community will inadvertantly make things better for us at some point.
>  Larry Wanger   30 September 2010 23:00 I sent the 
> following note to Apple Accessibility. No Voice Over on the ATV and 
> the remote app is rendered on the iPhone and iPad such that it can not 
> really be used either. Things will improve somewhat with Airplay once 
> implemented but not entirely. I hope others will consider writing as 
> well.
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I want to share my displeasure with Apple as I?ve just learned that 
> the new Apple TV product does not currently offer any kind of access 
> to blind and low vision television viewers through implementation of 
> Voice Over. I learned of this by calling and speaking with a sales 
> representative at Apple who checked with one of your engineers to find 
> out if accessibility features were built in to the product. Whether 
> Apple recognizes it or not, blind and low vision people enjoy watching 
> television and movies as well and Apple has unfortunately missed out 
> on an opportunity to continue to be a leader in this important area of 
> technology.
>
>
>
> While I was somewhat surprised to learn the actual Apple TV box did 
> not offer Voice Over, I was even more surprised to learn that the 
> newly updated remote app fails to provide a meaningful solution. Had 
> Apple implemented the remote app for the ATV in the same way that it 
> has allowed end users to use Airtunes I suspect things would have been 
> different. Recall that the remote app essentially rendered the user?s 
> iTunes library, showing music, podcasts and other media content. The 
> user could scroll through content and choose what to play. Best of 
> all, Voice Over worked well with this app. A similar implementation 
> would have offered an accessible solution. Beyond this, my 
> understanding of the technical specifications of the ATV would 
> indicate that the box itself should have enough horse power to handle 
> the same implementation of Voice Over that we currently enjoy on other 
> Apple products.
>
>
>
> I also would be remiss if I did not mention the recent passage and 
> pending presidential signing of the 21st Century Communications and 
> Video Accessibility Act. One of the provisions of this legislation is 
> the requirement for industry to develop set-top boxes that offer 
> accessibility features for blind and low vision users. While this has 
> happened after Apple developed this product, I mention it in hopes 
> that Apple will consider being a leader in this area by making its new 
> ATV accessible in the near future.
>
>
>
> Please know that like so many others, I am very appreciative of 
> Apple?s efforts and leadership by including Voice Over on the iPhone, 
> iPad and other products. However, it seems that Voice Over could have 
> been implemented on this device as well. I look forward to being able 
> to purchase and use the new Apple TV in the future.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 09/10/2010, Goldfinga Productions  wrote:
>> oh my... well thanks for the heads up.
>>
>> GF
>>
>>
>> On Oct 9, 2010, at 2:29 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
>>
>>> I think someone posted a response that they got from accessibliity a 
>>> couple of weeks ago where they were informed that the remote app 
>>> wouldn't work. I can't find the exact message right now, but it was 
>>> in the big thread that there was about apple tv in late september 
>>> early october.
>>>
>>> On 09/10/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
 OH yeah I didn't think about that. You might be able to use the 
 remote app.

 S
 On Oct 9, 2010, at 10:20 AM, Goldfinga Productions wrote:

> Has anyone tried to control the apple tv with the iPhone or iPod
touch?
> I know it may take some sighted help to set it up, but I wonder if 
> that would work at all. I should go 

Standard Mac OS X keyboard shortcuts

2010-10-22 Thread RvR
Hello there,
I remember some discussion about using the quote normal quote shortcuts of
OS X and if there was a list of them available. Didn't read too many
messages last couple of days so don't know if someone provided this already,
but if not here is a page from Apple with lots of standard OS X shortcuts:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1343?viewlocale=us_us
 
Talk soon,
Ronald

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RE: 64 bit or 32 bit Mac bootstrapped with W7

2010-10-24 Thread RvR
Yep that's correct. And when in 64bit press number 3 and 2 while booting to
return back to 32bit. My new Mac Pro was configured to run 64bit out of the
box and so far no problems. All the latest Mac Pro's run standard 64bit.
Best,
Ronald. 

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Onderwerp: Re: 64 bit or 32 bit Mac bootstrapped with W7

You can push 6 and 4 at the same time while booting to OSX. Otherwise, there
is configuration edit done on terminal, found on google.

On Oct 24, 2010, at 4:57 AM, Scott Ford wrote:

> If that is the case how do you get it to install in the 64bit version?
> Scott
> 
> 
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: 64 bit or 32 bit Mac bootstrapped with W7
> 
> While it is true that recent Macs and osx are 64 bit capable, snow 
> leopard on default is 32 bit. Do not know why Apple decided to put it 
> 32 bit while saying everywhere that it is 64bit.
> 
> On Oct 23, 2010, at 4:21 PM, Garry Turkington wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> And any 64-bit-capable CPU you'll find on a Mac or PC these days can 
>> run either the 32-bit or 64-bit versions of the OS.
>> 
>> Garry
>> 
>> On 10/23/10, Scott Howell  wrote:
>>> The Mac is 64Bit.
>>> On Oct 23, 2010, at 5:37 PM, LaMcAs wrote:
>>> 
 Hello list
 
 This is more for a friend but also for clarification.
 
 She has a Mac Book with 8gb RAM and has W7 Boot Strapped on it.
 
 So what bit is the Apple Motherboard 32 bit or 64 bit?
 
 I would hope that as it has 8gb Ram it would be 64 bit.
 
 She seems to think she is running W7 H P 32 bit - surely if this is 
 a 64-bit motherboard it wont allow her to run W7 32-bit?
 
 I'm not clued up on the Mac at all so asking for clarification on 
 all this, does what I'm suggesting make sense?
 
 Thanks in advance for your input
 
 
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Virtual cursor of some sort in OS X

2010-11-09 Thread RvR
Hi everyone,

Tried to search the archives for this, probably didn't choose the correct
keywords cause I couldn't find what I needed. So I try my luck with this
message.

A while back I asked about creating hotspots and I remember Anne answering
it is only possible in areas which Voice Over can detect and then label.
That's loud and clear for me, but now wonder if this also means there is no
virtual cursor of some sort like there is in Jaws etc? What I would like to
do is to look around a popup screen or dialog window for example for text
which VO doesn't say.

Tia for your input!

 

Sincerely,

Ronald

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RE: Virtual cursor of some sort in OS X

2010-11-10 Thread RvR
Hi Mike,
Alright that's clear, thanks!
Cheers,
Ronald

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Onderwerp: Re: Virtual cursor of some sort in OS X

The voice over cursor does this, when you navigate, you move to all the
items voiceover can detect.
On Nov 9, 2010, at 6:04 AM, RvR wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> Tried to search the archives for this, probably didn't choose the correct
keywords cause I couldn't find what I needed. So I try my luck with this
message.
> A while back I asked about creating hotspots and I remember Anne answering
it is only possible in areas which Voice Over can detect and then label.
That's loud and clear for me, but now wonder if this also means there is no
virtual cursor of some sort like there is in Jaws etc? What I would like to
do is to look around a popup screen or dialog window for example for text
which VO doesn't say.
> Tia for your input!
>  
> Sincerely,
> Ronald
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RE: Virtual cursor of some sort in OS X

2010-11-10 Thread RvR
Hi Jon,
Okay, thanx.
Are you referring to discussions about the item chooser? If so, what's to
discuss about it I wonder?
Bye for now,
Ronald
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Onderwerp: Re: Virtual cursor of some sort in OS X

Item List mode might help.

There are a few discussions recently on the list so I won't go into
further detail.

Jon


On 10/11/2010, RvR  wrote:
> Hi Mike,
> Alright that's clear, thanks!
> Cheers,
> Ronald
>
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> Onderwerp: Re: Virtual cursor of some sort in OS X
>
> The voice over cursor does this, when you navigate, you move to all the
> items voiceover can detect.
> On Nov 9, 2010, at 6:04 AM, RvR wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>> Tried to search the archives for this, probably didn't choose the correct
> keywords cause I couldn't find what I needed. So I try my luck with this
> message.
>> A while back I asked about creating hotspots and I remember Anne
answering
> it is only possible in areas which Voice Over can detect and then label.
> That's loud and clear for me, but now wonder if this also means there is
no
> virtual cursor of some sort like there is in Jaws etc? What I would like
to
> do is to look around a popup screen or dialog window for example for text
> which VO doesn't say.
>> Tia for your input!
>>
>> Sincerely,
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RE: Virtual cursor of some sort in OS X

2010-11-10 Thread RvR
Hi Sarah,
Well didn't know it could provide more information, don't use it too often.

Will check it out some more.
Thank you!

Friendly,
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Onderwerp: Re: Virtual cursor of some sort in OS X

and if it is the item chooser it is a sort of clunky kind of vertual curser
but I also use it if i"m looking for somethign that is not there like a
upload box on sendspace.

Take care.

S
On Nov 10, 2010, at 11:55 AM, RvR wrote:

> Hi Jon,
> Okay, thanx.
> Are you referring to discussions about the item chooser? If so, what's to
> discuss about it I wonder?
> Bye for now,
> Ronald
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> Onderwerp: Re: Virtual cursor of some sort in OS X
> 
> Item List mode might help.
> 
> There are a few discussions recently on the list so I won't go into
> further detail.
> 
> Jon
> 
> 
> On 10/11/2010, RvR  wrote:
>> Hi Mike,
>> Alright that's clear, thanks!
>> Cheers,
>> Ronald
>> 
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>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] Namens Mike Arrigo
>> Verzonden: woensdag 10 november 2010 2:44
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>> Onderwerp: Re: Virtual cursor of some sort in OS X
>> 
>> The voice over cursor does this, when you navigate, you move to all the
>> items voiceover can detect.
>> On Nov 9, 2010, at 6:04 AM, RvR wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> Tried to search the archives for this, probably didn't choose the
correct
>> keywords cause I couldn't find what I needed. So I try my luck with this
>> message.
>>> A while back I asked about creating hotspots and I remember Anne
> answering
>> it is only possible in areas which Voice Over can detect and then label.
>> That's loud and clear for me, but now wonder if this also means there is
> no
>> virtual cursor of some sort like there is in Jaws etc? What I would like
> to
>> do is to look around a popup screen or dialog window for example for text
>> which VO doesn't say.
>>> Tia for your input!
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Ronald
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RE: where do you go to get international voices for your mb pro?

2010-11-14 Thread RvR
Hi Ruud,
I use the Dutch voices as well and can switch with VO command arrow keys
between all available voices. No limits whatsoever.
Hth,
Ronald
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Onderwerp: Re: where do you go to get international voices for your mb pro?

All the language bundles are standalone as far as I know. That said, at 
one point I'm going to get the Dutch voices to cover surfing Dutch 
websites without having to decipher what exactly is being said by an 
English voice (which can be done, but not very efficiently).

As I'll be switching quite a lot between Dutch and English voices, does 
anyone know if I could move the voices within voiceOver utility so I can 
switch easily with VO-command-arrows? I haven't messed around with that 
yet, but the VO-Command-Arrows only let you switch between 5 or 6 voices 
as far as I know.

And I'll bare in mind about picking up ghost reader with the voices.

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RE: trouble creating an account in itunes

2010-12-03 Thread RvR
I have the exact same problem. Wonder if there is a solution.
Regards,
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Onderwerp: trouble creating an account in itunes

Hi i'm having trouble signing up for a itunes account.
i have trouble with voice over the clicking won't stop in the password and
vo won't say anything.
any suggestions i have a card

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RE: trouble creating an account in itunes

2010-12-04 Thread RvR
Hi Jude and Rafaela,
The clicking sound starts when I interact with the field. 
I have the mouse cursor follow the VO cursor. But I have asked my sighted
brother to look at the screen and look what happens in the field. There
happens nothing during the clicking and you can just put the password in and
log in. The reason I didn't got through that particular screen was because I
had to fill some additional information on the Apple account page first. It
is all done and fine now. [smile]
So Chad, you can just fill in your password.
Thanks for your replies.
Regards,
Ronald
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My guess is you need to interact with the password field before typing 
anything into it. On Fri, 3 Dec 2010, RvR wrote:

> I have the exact same problem. Wonder if there is a solution.
> Regards,
> Ronald
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>
> Hi i'm having trouble signing up for a itunes account.
> i have trouble with voice over the clicking won't stop in the password and
> vo won't say anything.
> any suggestions i have a card
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Any additional voice Over voices available?

2010-06-25 Thread RvR
Hello all,
Excuse me if this has been asked before, but I was wondering if there are
any (free) additional voices available for Snow Leopard and or IOS 4?
Like some funny ones for example.
Thanks!
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RE: other voices for the macintosh computers

2010-06-26 Thread RvR
Hello Josh,
Thanks for the suggestion. Will check them out. The voice creation service
sounds great too. 
Regards,
Ronald
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Hi

You can also buy voices for the mac at www.cereproc.com also in the very
near future cereproc will offer a consumer voice creation service that will
let youu turn recordings of you, friends, favorite readers, or famous people
into apple voices or sapi5 voices for windows.


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RE: Any additional voice Over voices available?

2010-06-26 Thread RvR
Hey Chris,
Thanks for your reply. The ivox voices from Assistiveware I already know, I
am planning to buy the Dutch ones from them. Its even a Dutch company I
think ;-) 
Best,
Ronald
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Onderwerp: Re: Any additional voice Over voices available?

There are none for the iPhone, but you can use these on the Mac for 30 days:

http://www.assistiveware.com/infovox_ivox.php

Chris
On 25 Jun 2010, at 19:59, clarence griffin wrote:

> have you been threw the ones that come with the mac? I don't know of any
extras for the phone, but the computers have several.
> 
> GF
> 
> 
> On Jun 25, 2010, at 2:54 PM, RvR wrote:
> 
>> Hello all,
>> Excuse me if this has been asked before, but I was wondering if there 
>> are any (free) additional voices available for Snow Leopard and or IOS 4?
>> Like some funny ones for example.
>> Thanks!
>> Ronald
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RE: other voices for the macintosh computers

2010-06-27 Thread RvR
Hey Kawal,
Nice to see you here also! Saw your name passing by on this list a few times
and knew it was you for certain too [smile]
How are you, do you still own the Touch Pro 2? I sold my HTC Touch Diamond 2
because I didn't like the Windows Mobile Mobile Speak 4 combo very much. Now
have a Nokia n86, but probably get me an iPhone 4 and/or iPad when they
become available over here.
What Mac do you have?
Must tell you a secret...I don't own a Mac yet...tell nobody okay ;-)
Gonna buy one as soon as the new desktop models are released (which
hopefully will be in a couple of months). I want a desktop model like an
iMac or even a Mac Pro cause it needs to be powerful for sound processing
and such.
Joined this list to learn as much as possible before I get a Mac.
Have fun!
Talk soon,
Ronald
 
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Onderwerp: Re: other voices for the macintosh computers

Hi Ronald.

It's good to have you on this list.  As soon as i saw your name I  knew it
was you.

Glad you are enjoying your Mac.  Not had mine very long either.

Kawal.
On Jun 26, 2010, at 2:33 PM, RvR wrote:

> Hello Josh,
> Thanks for the suggestion. Will check them out. The voice creation 
> service sounds great too.
> Regards,
> Ronald
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> 
> Hi
> 
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> very near future cereproc will offer a consumer voice creation service 
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Re: Lion mail search interface and vo

2011-08-25 Thread RvR
Paul,
I answered this already on the Dutch list.
Better check if people reply to your questions ;-)
Best,
Ronald

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone

Op 25 aug. 2011 om 19:29 heeft Paul Erkens  het volgende 
geschreven:

> Dear list,
> 
> Question is: Once you go to the search field in the toolbar in Lion mail, and 
> type something in,
> 1. Do I press enter afterwards or not?
> 2. What exactly can I search for? Through subject lines and in the message 
> body seems apparent, but can you also search message headers, or find 
> messages with an attachment? After having typed the search term, I don't 
> really know what to do next. I don't see a menu of some sort. I try to arrow 
> around, and I sometimes hit parts of the interface. Can anyone tell how this 
> is layed out, and how one should operate it?
> 
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Re: quickly going from window to window in one app?

2011-09-11 Thread RvR
It is located left to the letter z Anouk.
Ronald

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone

Op 11 sep. 2011 om 16:22 heeft erik burggraaf  het 
volgende geschreven:

> Sure, it's command and the accent key.  The accent key is located above the 
> tab on the north american keyboard which I suspect is one reason why they 
> chose it.  It might be in a different location on your keyboard.
> 
> Best,
> 
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>> Hello, I know you can do this in the window chooser or application chooser 
>> but is there also a command like command tab in windows to quickly switch 
>> from one to another iwndow in one application? I cant seem to open two 
>> finder windows so that i can switch between them with alt tab.
>> Greetings, Anouk,
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Shortcut to get in bookmarks Safari OSX

2011-02-28 Thread RvR
Hello everybody,
Does any one know if there is a shortcut to land directly in the list of 
bookmarks of Safari in OSX? Only shortcut I know of is command+shift+b.
Hope to hear from you.
Thanks much.
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