Re: My first mac. Questions.
Hello Nektarios, I bought a MacBook Pro a week a go myself and so far liking it. to answer your questions. VO-M-M brings you to the icons menu, you should get on the time machine icon, use VO-right or left arrows to cycle through the icons. Battery and clock are both in there. I believe time also had a shortcut, but I haven't gotten that working yet. The latest version of skype seems to have issues. I had the exact same thing happen to me. So, I ended up grabbing an older version, from mac.oldapps.com. The one released in september 2009 works fine for me. Apparently when you update it to the latest from there it should be running, but I can't confirm that as I haven't bothered yet. -- Ruud -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Checking time and date
Thanks, I knew about option+t for time, option+m for mail, option+s for Safari, etc, but I didn't think to check in commanders in VoiceOver utility if I missed something. So, now I have that working as well. -- Ruud -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: skype madness! please help.
I installed and uninstalled skype three times, the fourth time I tried the older version and that made my issues go away. When it mounts, you should see that as an external harddrive or CD/DVD, if you use VO+shift+M you get the context menu and one of the options in there is "eject", click that and it's gone from the desktop. Maybe an app like app trap or trash me does all that stuff for you (I wouldn't know, having not tried one of those). Keep in mind it is a completely different operating system and it does have a learning curve, so noone can really get familiar with it within a few days. -- Ruud -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Advice for purchasing a New IMac
Hello Sharon, I know two people that got a Pearl and sent it back. Like a flatbed scanner it seems to not like anything that wasn't completely flat and consequently screwed up the OCR proces into unreadable gook. Getting the orientation right for scanning seemed to be another issue for them. OK, so it can scan at a nice speed, but that's completely void if you can't get the orientation under the camera right. To me it seems you can get a working scanner and OCR program for quite a bit cheaper than just the price of the Pearl regardless if it's in mac or windows. -- Ruud -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
My impressions so far...
Before I'm going to give my impression of my MacBook Pro, the OS and of course VoiceOver gathered over almost two weeks, let me introduce myself. I know I've posted already to some topics, but I just haven't really said anything about myself and I figure it's time to rectify that. For those who need a warning for long posts: WARNING: this post may become a bit lengthy, but hopefully it won't bore you rigid! My name is Ruud (born in january 1985, so you figure out how old/young I am). I am from the Netherlands. I started losing my sight when I was 8, but it took until 15 to go from nearly full sight to the classification of socially blind. The culpret being inherited Glaucoma as part of the Rieger syndrome. It's actually a miracle I had sight for a fair amount of my childhood, because when I got born my eyes were opaque, no pupil visible at all. So, it would seem I owe the surgery on the 2nd day of my life for the sighted memories I have. As far as accessibility goes computer-wise, I started with zoomtext a few years before I lost my sight and after I learned braille and a whole new approach to doing things without sight I worked with Outspoken (fairly horrible sounding, but functional) and after that Jaws. I am an adventurous musician; both as in "on a musical adventure" as well as just a person who likes to try things out, like backpacking through various countries, snowboarding and going to big open-air rock festivals. As far as music goes, I'm a guitarist/bassist, but I'm fairly good at playing other known and unknown instruments, like banjo, ukulele, dulcimer, tin and low whistle, kalimba, kantele, ngoni, doshpuluur and more. I've recently started learning the piano as well. My musical taste goes all over the world, litterally. On to the Mac... A month ago, I walked into the local Apple store and the first Mac within reach was the 17 inch MacBook Pro. Unfortunately I had a really bad first impression. The guy at the store wasn't really helpful, so I ended up mucking around with an OS that I hardly knew anything about or a screenreader in that same category. I was however impressed with the design of the MacBook Pro, because it was the first aluminum laptop/notebook I'd seen so far and it was about half as thin as all the other laptops I've owned. I actually left there without a clear idea about the Mac and VoiceOver. I was sceptical I would ever switch to Mac even though some of the ideas I had read about on the Apple site still intrigued me, like the use of the trackpad to map the screen and the various gestures. I wasn't going to admit defeat because of a bad first impression though. Just because of some Apple employee who was unwilling to help and seemed to like playing with the Ipad more than living up to the high level of customer service I was expecting actually made me read up some more on VoiceOver, which admittedly I should've done beforehand. A few days later I spoke to a blind friend of mine, who (I didn't know this at the time) has four Macs around the house. He was doing an I.T. study at the same time as me, so I trust him to have solid opinions about computers and the accessibility of said computers. He gave me a good idea of the OS and VoiceOver in comparison to Windows and Jaws. After that conversation I actually knew where the VoiceOver keys were, so that was obviously where I got stuck at in the store. I was so used to (from left to right) control, function, windows, alt, space, rather than function, control, option, command, space. A little later I went back into town to just jump into mac and VoiceOver and work things out on my own. I knew it was going to work anyway, because of my blind I.T. friend and the fact that (doesn't point any fingers at anyone specifically) blind people can be really picky about accessibility and I would've seen way more bad reviews on VoiceOver in my research jaunts across the Triple-double-u. to my surprise and considerable relief, this time I got good service at the same Apple store I went before and chose to purchase a 13 inch MacBook Pro in the standard version. The 15 and 17 inch models have a faster processor, but seemed more geared towards video editing to me and on top of that have a shorter runtime on the battery. The sound setup on all three is equal, so for my occasional recordings the 13 inch would suffice, as it beat the specs of my regular PC anyway. More on recording a bit later though. The people at the Apple store set the Mac up for me to avoid taking me 20 minutes on something that only takes a few minutes, which was nice as I needed to do some other shopping in the meantime without dragging an expensive MacBook Pro around town. When I got back all was set and I could go homeward again, this time with a Mac. On to VoiceOver... When back at home I started the MacBook I immediately got the VoiceOver tutorial and was strangely excited. It seemed to cover all the basics
Re: My impressions so far...
No podcast coming from this corner. I think the Mac-related ones out there have things covered pretty well. At one point I may write a few articles in Dutch about Mac and VoiceOver though, because it doesn't seem that popular here, which I think has more to do with people not being informed about it rather than anything. VoiceOver does have its emphasis on English first and foremost though. Granted it can do a whole host of languages, but you need extra voices for that, so more money to spend. I actually have my mac all in English for now, but will get Ivox at one point to cover my multilingual internet usage. -- Ruud -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: recording for students
I have a couple of friends that use the Zoom H2, which can record straight to MP3. The default I believe is wav files, but that's adjustable. You may need sighted assistance for the initial setting of preferences, but after that you should be good to go. A friend of mine has a document with the menu order written out so he could change the settings himself if he needed to, which I could get from him if needs be. I also believe blind cool tech has various podcasts on this recorder. -- Ruud -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: free antivirus for mac
1. The internet isn't a safe place, so always be aware of possible threats, just don't get too paranoid about it (which is what people tend to do regardless). When filling in a form with personal info, like creditcard info I tend to check if the url starts with https:// rather than http://, the former is secure and seems to get used more an more now. 2. No Virus, spyware, malware or other security program is full-proof, because they update after the virus, spyware or malware has been identified leaving a time to get infected without detection. Aside from that they can't catch everything, in fact you'd need about a dozen virus, spyware or malware protection programs to catch all and that may still leave a little gap. This mostly applies to Windows as I'm quite new to Mac and haven't really worried about adding security yet, nor which program does the best job. 3. People are creative. Writing a virus on windows can be quite simple. On Mac this may be more difficult, but "where there's a will, there's a way". Do I think mac is completely safe? As it's an annoying habit I have I'll answer that with another question: "is anything?" -- Ruud -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: A Question for Musicians on the list
I'm not very familiar with the MBox mini. What I could quickly find is that it has a mic and an instrument input and that's it as far as inputs go. This is enough for personal recording, but if you want to record multiple instruments at the same time this may be a bit too limited. The more important question to me would be, how are you going to hook up your instruments and are you happy with the sound you get that way. for example, your keyboard may have a USB port (most keyboards nowadays do), if not it may need a midi interface if you want to go for midi, but it can also be hooked up directly into the MBox using the amp output. All will work, but may give you advantages and disadvantages to what you want to do with it. I don't know what kind of guitar you have, semi-acoustics and electrics you should be able to hook up directly. But if it's all acoustic you may have to look into various microphones to see which one works best and gives you the sound you want. Same applies for banjo. I recommend http://www.recordingreview.com/. it's a truly huge site with articles, reviews and much more. They probably have stuff on the MBox family as well on there. "Killer Home Recording", which is a set of E-books and audio samples you can buy from that site is honestly the best and most comprehensive guide to recording I have EVER seen; from setting up to mixing to instrument specific resources. -- Ruud -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: A Question for Musicians on the list
There are multiple options for hooking up an electric. too many for me to mention here really. Check: http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/mac_accessories/music_creation?mco=MTM3NzE2Mz It does list some external sound cards with 1/4 inch jack inputs and other guitar-specific interfaces that may suit your needs. Plus this way you know for sure they are compatible with a mac. -- Ruud -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: A Question for Musicians on the list
A jack-to-minijack plug would work, but most instruments need a PreAmp to boost the volume to reasonable levels. Though with a jack-to-minijack you could hook up an amp to the mac pretty easily, but you will lose instant monitoring if your amp doesn't have more than one output. Aside from that, setting it to the right volume can be done, but needs more time and tweeking. Most recording software has monitoring built-in, but depending on the processor's speed you may get a delay, which is really annoying. For that reason I prefer direct monitoring through hardware. I use jack-to-minijack and minijack-to-jack plugs constantly for headphones and that works really well. -- Ruud -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Spotify on the Mac
I think it must be accessible. I keep hearing some friends go on about it and among them is at least one VoiceOver user. I was planning on taking a look at it at one point myself. -- Ruud -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: skype 5 beta
hello folks, I just got the beta and I just have to say that this is quite a bit better. OK, the layout has changed, but it's a fairly logical layout. with the source list on the left and the contact list or conversation on the right (reminds me a bit of Itunes really). Also I saw they have command-option-h to hang up. So I'm guessing they also have one for picking up, well, I hope so at least. -- Ruud -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: skype conversations
The way I did it was VO+shift+home to get to the toolbar, then VO+down and you can interact with the source list. If you have multiple conversations open you can flip through them with command+option and left or right arrows. To get to the HTML area quickly, I just type any key in order to make VO jump to the text field. and then I delete it again, but from there you can do VO+left arrow twice and you can interact with the HTML area. This is the fastest method I've come up with so far. -- Ruud -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: An apparently accessible alternative to flash.
Pretty nice. I had to struggle with it for a bit to get it working properly, but now it does and I like it. On general principals I don't want websites to bother me with flash, but having the option to play the flash that was hidden before, is a definite plus IMO. -- Ruud -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: accessible flash eextention blocks youtube videos heelp!
Make sure that in the extension options using white list is checked and the type into the corresponding field "www.youtube.com". This fixed it for me. -- Ruud -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: [Bulk] Re: accessible flash eextention blocks youtube videos heelp!
I have that one unchecked. I think when I had that checked earlier, I visited a blog page and it played all the videos on there (6 or 7 at least) at the same time, which was a mess. -- Ruud -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Deselecting multiple tracks in Itunes
Hi, I was just familiarizing myself with Itunes and I was wondering about the following. Let's say I have an album with 16 tracks, but I only want to listen to two of these tracks. How do I go about deselecting the other tracks after I have selected them? I think it would get rather annoying having to deselect the tracks one by one while you can select all and hit VO-space to get all the tracks selected again. I imagine I'm simply overlooking a key combination here. -- Ruud -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Deselecting multiple tracks in Itunes
Ah, I didn't think of the context menu., but that works quite well. At least it makes it faster to get to the actual listening and enjoying bit. -- Ruud -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Skype test call
There should be a button in audio setting to call the sound test service. -- Ruud -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: OS 10.65 is available for download
I'm updating right now. 600some megs for an update is quite substantial really. Did Apple actually list the VoiceOver fixes anywhere? -- Ruud -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: iTunes 10.1
I'm grabbing it right now, though I had to go to Apple menu, then software updates to make it work. From within Itunes it told me there was a file it couldn't find. Good thing there are multiple ways to get it working. -- Ruud -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: where do you go to get international voices for your mb pro?
All the language bundles are standalone as far as I know. That said, at one point I'm going to get the Dutch voices to cover surfing Dutch websites without having to decipher what exactly is being said by an English voice (which can be done, but not very efficiently). As I'll be switching quite a lot between Dutch and English voices, does anyone know if I could move the voices within voiceOver utility so I can switch easily with VO-command-arrows? I haven't messed around with that yet, but the VO-Command-Arrows only let you switch between 5 or 6 voices as far as I know. And I'll bare in mind about picking up ghost reader with the voices. -- Ruud -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: where do you go to get international voices for your mb pro?
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infovox
Hello, I just grabbed the Dutch voices for the 30 day trial, but after installing them they don't show up in voiceOver utility or in the speech settings. Am I missing something, because the isntallation was successful or is this a limitation of the trial period? Thanks, Ruud -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Oh boy
I was jealous the other day, not because of an Imac, but my girlfirend's brother-in-law runs a recording studio and he runs a Mac pro with 8 processors and 5 tb of harddrive space, which is just beyond crazy. compared to that my MacBook Pro is a toy. Not to mention that I would probably replace my regular windows machine with an imac, but I'm waiting till the machine dies first, plus I don't have the money at the moment. And Nic, would that shield cover be the Belking shield eclipse cover for iphone 4 and Ipod touch 4th gen? I have one for my Ipod touch and it's funky. -- Ruud -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: voiceover, for the ipods, which is best
I'm not sure, but I don't think the nano has a recording function or even a microphone built-in. The only one I can be sure that has that is the ipod touch 4th gen and as far as I've messed with that on mine, it recorded things pretty well. Aside from that it has 32 or 64 GB, so that means you can have more music on there without swapping music around daily or weekly. And you only need Itunes. -- Ruud -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Introducing myself and a question
Hello and "welkom op die lyst". You'll automatically get the "getting started" thing when you start using the mac. This gives a really good overview and will help you a lot as it covers interacting with form fields, webpages, etc. So, I expect you'll have no problem with that whatsoever, except starting to think in mac terms, rather than windows, which may take a little while. I'll leave the broadcasting question open to others with more knowledge on the subject, but as far as I know it can be done. -- Ruud -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mac Book Pro
Any particular reason you went for the 17 inch as opposed to the 15 or 13 inch models? -- Ruud -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Free Mac 10.6 tutorial
I'd be interested to read this. Though I'm sure that applevis.com or maccessibility.net would like to put it online, because this would probably be a great resource for switchers. -- Ruud -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: using speech commands on the Mac
I was messing around with this a week or so ago and I didn't have too much difficulty with it when I used the key activated speech commands. Obviously I could only do that when VoiceOver wasn't rattling on about which element I was on at the time or when I didn't have music on. For those of you who want to try it, change the key to something that doesn't interfere with navigational commands, because by default it is Escape and that blocked any other function the key had, which was very annoying. When I had it listen out for "Computer" or whichever recognition word and then the command I got a response 2 out of 10 times, which wasn't very productive on a whole. I think speech commands just hasn't been developed properly yet, because it's hard to isolate the command if there's a lot of sound going on. I haven't gotten dictation programs to work either, but I blame that mostly on myself for being to lazy to read out the texts to help it recognize my speech nuances. Overall, I had fun messing with it for a bit, but even though I could say "get my mail" while I was in whichever app I'm still faster with the keyboard or trackpad commands. -- Ruud -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: something I'm contemplating
As far as I'm aware the radio bit only works when you have the headphones/earbuds in as it uses those as a receiver. It's all a matter of what you want to do with it in the end, if it has a camera that's cool, but for skype you'd definitely need a built-in mic or have the option of using an external one. I think the Nano is more of a traditional music/video player compared to let's say the Touch. Then again, sometimes you just want music or radio without too much other distractions and I think the Nano would be great for that. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: mudding on the mac
I tested Savitar, but didn't get far at all. I also mailed the developer of Savitar and I haven't had a reply and I'm not expecting one soon anyway. So, as far as I know mudding and mac with VoiceOver, nope. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: European Carriers Claim Apple Should Pay for Network Infrastructure
I don't think this is such a bad idea, because it keeps reinforcing the industry. If Apple, google and other companies that produce smart phones want to keep up the current success of said phones, then investing in the networks will eventually result in an even bigger success rates. If the carriers can't maintain the network, the sale of smart phones will dwindle and the carriers as well as the smart phone producers will have a bad time all around. The big question however is, if this goes through, how much extra costs will that generate for the customers? But to be fair, that's always the question with changes in various industries. On a short of-topic note: I didn't think the few politics-related messages were relevant to the subject as politics didn't get mentioned anywhere in the article or in the on-topic replies. I'm just mentioning this as this is an international list with god knows how many people from various backgrounds and politics is one of those subjects that always causes trouble in such a varied group. (just my opinion) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: mudding on the mac
I also tried mud walker and telnet today, just because it would be nice to not be tied to windows for mudding. Mud walker had all buttons and menus accessible, but at one point it just kept giving me "mud walker busy, busy, busy", which got annoying rather quickly. Telnet connected at least and told me some stuff, but it didn't scroll on properly, which wasn't super, but at least it gave me more to work with than Savitar and Mud walker. I haven't messed with options in telnet, so that might be something to look into. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
