Re: mudclient wasRe: my 2 months with a mac
Hi Anouk, I released a new version of the JamochaMUD MUD Client a little while back where I've been working on incorporating accessibility features. If folks are willing to give me feedback such as "this works, this doesn't work", "I can't add a character" or specific items like that I can definitely work toward making the client as accessible as possible. You should be able to try the new version straight from your web browser by using the WebStart option ( at http://www.jamochamud.org/downloads.html ). I'm always looking for feedback to make the client better. Jeff a radix wrote: > Hello, I think that a lot of people would be interested in a mud client for > the mac that works with snow leopard and that has some of the features we > come to expect from a modern client. I myself would not even mind having to > pay for it. Are there no people with some programming knowledge in cocoa > that could program it or maybe we could 'rent'some experienced tech guy in > the sighted mac community who would be willing to do it... I mean I know at > least 4 mac users who really would love a good mud client for the mac and I > am certain its possible too, if there is this piece of software. I cant > imagine that there are no sighted people anymore that play muds either > Greetings, Anouk > - Original Message - > From: "Nicolai Svendsen" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:03 PM > Subject: Re: my 2 months with a mac > > >> Hi, >> >> Definitely quite an interesting story. >> >> I got my Mac on August 1. It was actually an odd experience. I went to >> an Apple store a couple weeks prior to my purchase just to try it out. >> I had attempted to use OS X 10.4, Tiger in the past at an institute >> for the blind, but I actually didn't like it. I thought it was quite >> literally a pile of crap. >> >> I start listening to podcasts that sighted and blind users have done >> for the Macintosh, and figure I'll give it another shot. I finally >> decided to purchase a Mac, because I had frankly become extremely >> frustrated with Windows and most certainly Vista. XP has always been >> my favorite if I do have to use Windows. I'd become tired of how many >> things you needed for Windows to work efficiently. Sometimes you had >> to worry about corrupted files, leftovers from previously installed >> applications, that sort of thing not to mention the registry. The >> headache. >> >> So I decided to take the plunge. >> >> I read through the entire VoiceOver manual the day before I went back >> to the store, and wrote down notes for the things I figured I'd mostly >> be using for a while. When I arrived at the store, I went to try it >> out again to make sure a Mac would be what I desired. It definitely >> was. So much that, in fact, that even though they only had a showroom >> floor model at the time, I grabbed it. The cleaned it off thoroughly, >> wrapped it up and tossed the DVDs I'd need in the box. I was happy. So >> very happy. >> >> I arrive home, and I'm practically tingling with excitement. I almost >> rip the box apart (taking care of the DVDs of course), get out my >> shiny Macbook and hook it up. >> >> Oh no! >> >> What I did know was that I had to reinstall it, but I didn't care. I >> didn't want any of that junk on it they had installed to advertise. So >> i went ahead. I rebooted it, held down the C-key when the installation >> DVD had been sucked into the Mac and I heard the startup sound. It >> displayed the finder and spat out the DVD. Literally. So I decided >> that apparently wasn't working for whatever reason. I located the >> installer DVD in the finder and open it. Authentication. God dang it! >> Behold the password box. I was required to enter a password to >> proceed. Of course, the Macbook had not been set to require a password >> at login. >> >> I call them at the store, and ask them for a password. I told them the >> C-key solution had not worked to boot from the DVD, and they promptly >> complied with my request. They gave me several passwords to enter, and >> I did. >> >> "The name or password you entered is incorrect." >> >> I went back to the store, and they had a look at it. Most annoying of >> all was that finally, the C-key actually seemed to work. I was >> installing it when I got home. By this point, I was like a kid on his >> birthday. >> >> I thought I'd share my experience with all of you on the list. Yes, I >> am aware it's probably quite long-winded. But what can you do? I do >> run Windows as a virtual machine, but only to MUD. I do sometimes find >> it kind of annoying having to run two programs just to scan and >> recognize the image. That is why I liked Omnipage, and there has to be >> a solution out there that does exactly the same. >> >> As for my web browsing experience, everything is much more smooth and >> responsive. I can easily find what I want by using the search feature >> in VoiceOver, and ever since Leopard was released the web rotor makes >> i
Re: mudclient wasRe: my 2 months with a mac
Well, that's definitely not off to a good start, and needless to say a little disappointing! Following Java's standards the buttons (at least on the World Connector) I have not only labelled the buttons but added an additional Accessible Name and Accessible Description which (in theory) are to be used by screen readers. How slow the client appears to you is also a bit troubling. My intention is to load up the client on my wife's Macbook and see if I can sort things out. Thanks for trying out JamochaMUD, and hopefully I can get these problems ironed out. Jeff Thomas McMahan wrote: > Tiger is even more of a disaster. Am on the world conecter now, but > it's not accepting input, just saying "java busy.Have been at this > for an hour now, I think if it's this slow an agressive mob would > have me killed 20 times over. > " > On Oct 23, 2009, at 7:34 AM, william lomas wrote: > >> the buttons are not labeled so when one runs the program they dont >> know what to click >> >> On 23 Oct 2009, at 12:29, KehzaFox wrote: >> >>> Hi Anouk, >>> >>> I released a new version of the JamochaMUD MUD Client a little while >>> back where I've been working on incorporating accessibility features. >>> If folks are willing to give me feedback such as "this works, this >>> doesn't work", "I can't add a character" or specific items like >>> that I >>> can definitely work toward making the client as accessible as >>> possible. >>> >>> You should be able to try the new version straight from your web >>> browser >>> by using the WebStart option ( at >>> http://www.jamochamud.org/downloads.html ). >>> >>> I'm always looking for feedback to make the client better. >>> >>> Jeff >>> >>> a radix wrote: >>>> Hello, I think that a lot of people would be interested in a mud >>>> client for >>>> the mac that works with snow leopard and that has some of the >>>> features we >>>> come to expect from a modern client. I myself would not even mind >>>> having to >>>> pay for it. Are there no people with some programming knowledge in >>>> cocoa >>>> that could program it or maybe we could 'rent'some experienced tech >>>> guy in >>>> the sighted mac community who would be willing to do it... I mean I >>>> know at >>>> least 4 mac users who really would love a good mud client for the >>>> mac and I >>>> am certain its possible too, if there is this piece of software. I >>>> cant >>>> imagine that there are no sighted people anymore that play muds >>>> either >>>> Greetings, Anouk >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "Nicolai Svendsen" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:03 PM >>>> Subject: Re: my 2 months with a mac >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Definitely quite an interesting story. >>>>> >>>>> I got my Mac on August 1. It was actually an odd experience. I >>>>> went to >>>>> an Apple store a couple weeks prior to my purchase just to try it >>>>> out. >>>>> I had attempted to use OS X 10.4, Tiger in the past at an institute >>>>> for the blind, but I actually didn't like it. I thought it was >>>>> quite >>>>> literally a pile of crap. >>>>> >>>>> I start listening to podcasts that sighted and blind users have >>>>> done >>>>> for the Macintosh, and figure I'll give it another shot. I finally >>>>> decided to purchase a Mac, because I had frankly become extremely >>>>> frustrated with Windows and most certainly Vista. XP has always >>>>> been >>>>> my favorite if I do have to use Windows. I'd become tired of how >>>>> many >>>>> things you needed for Windows to work efficiently. Sometimes you >>>>> had >>>>> to worry about corrupted files, leftovers from previously installed >>>>> applications, that sort of thing not to mention the registry. The >>>>> headache. >>>>> >>>>> So I decided to take the plunge. >>>>> >>>>> I read through the entire VoiceOver manual the day before I went >>>>> back >
Re: mudclient wasRe: my 2 months with a mac
You can try the Webstart version at http://www.jamochamud.org/downloads.html Please let me know your experiences with it, even if it ranges to "I want to throw it out the window". Jeff michael A. Babcock wrote: > hi; > where can one get this app from to test out? for muds i to the following > open terminal > type "telnet" > type "o" > type the url, example: "trekgames.net 1234" > hit return > and it connects. > mike > On Oct 23, 2009, at 2:32 PM, KehzaFox wrote: > >> Well, that's definitely not off to a good start, and needless to say a >> little disappointing! >> >> Following Java's standards the buttons (at least on the World >> Connector) >> I have not only labelled the buttons but added an additional >> Accessible >> Name and Accessible Description which (in theory) are to be used by >> screen readers. >> >> How slow the client appears to you is also a bit troubling. My >> intention is to load up the client on my wife's Macbook and see if I >> can >> sort things out. >> >> Thanks for trying out JamochaMUD, and hopefully I can get these >> problems >> ironed out. >> >> Jeff >> >> Thomas McMahan wrote: >>> Tiger is even more of a disaster. Am on the world conecter now, but >>> it's not accepting input, just saying "java busy.Have been at this >>> for an hour now, I think if it's this slow an agressive mob would >>> have me killed 20 times over. >>> " >>> On Oct 23, 2009, at 7:34 AM, william lomas wrote: >>> >>>> the buttons are not labeled so when one runs the program they dont >>>> know what to click >>>> >>>> On 23 Oct 2009, at 12:29, KehzaFox wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Anouk, >>>>> >>>>> I released a new version of the JamochaMUD MUD Client a little >>>>> while >>>>> back where I've been working on incorporating accessibility >>>>> features. >>>>> If folks are willing to give me feedback such as "this works, this >>>>> doesn't work", "I can't add a character" or specific items like >>>>> that I >>>>> can definitely work toward making the client as accessible as >>>>> possible. >>>>> >>>>> You should be able to try the new version straight from your web >>>>> browser >>>>> by using the WebStart option ( at >>>>> http://www.jamochamud.org/downloads.html ). >>>>> >>>>> I'm always looking for feedback to make the client better. >>>>> >>>>> Jeff >>>>> >>>>> a radix wrote: >>>>>> Hello, I think that a lot of people would be interested in a mud >>>>>> client for >>>>>> the mac that works with snow leopard and that has some of the >>>>>> features we >>>>>> come to expect from a modern client. I myself would not even mind >>>>>> having to >>>>>> pay for it. Are there no people with some programming knowledge in >>>>>> cocoa >>>>>> that could program it or maybe we could 'rent'some experienced >>>>>> tech >>>>>> guy in >>>>>> the sighted mac community who would be willing to do it... I >>>>>> mean I >>>>>> know at >>>>>> least 4 mac users who really would love a good mud client for the >>>>>> mac and I >>>>>> am certain its possible too, if there is this piece of software. I >>>>>> cant >>>>>> imagine that there are no sighted people anymore that play muds >>>>>> either >>>>>> Greetings, Anouk >>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>> From: "Nicolai Svendsen" >>>>>> To: >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:03 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: my 2 months with a mac >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Definitely quite an interesting story. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I got my Mac on August 1. It was actually an odd experience. I >>>>>>> went to >>>>>>> an Apple store a couple weeks prior to my purchase just to try it &
Re: mudclient wasRe: my 2 months with a mac
Hi Thomas, Thanks for the feedback on this. It's interesting to see how some folks' systems won't give the VO feedback, and then some systems don't seem to want to have anything to do with running the software in the first place! When you first start up JamochaMUD and get the world connector it doesn't have any worlds listed; you'll need to create at least one world to connect, or choose the "Don't Connect" button to get to the main window. Right now I had been concentrating on accessibility in the the World Connector so that folks can at least get a start on things... I'll try to work my way through from most commonly used parts to least. It is curious that I've had a couple reports about some other process keeping VO and the system busy. I'll have to see if I can figure out what might be causing that. JamochaMUD does sort've kludge things in that when it does present the World Connector the main window is also created but not set to be visible. I don't know if Voice Over is somehow seeing that window and it is causing it grief, or not. I'll see if I can find a better way of handling that, just to rule it out. I also understand what it is like trying to find time for meaning feedback and bug-squashing. Personally, I'm in the middle of some major home renovations that are impacting life here at the house, so probably should be making certain my priorities are in-line. But I'll definitely try to pursue any problems that you find with JamochaMUD. Thanks for writing back, Jeff Thomas McMahan wrote: > I am still trying it, The buttons on mine do anounce, but the time > between when I VO up or down arrow and the anouncement is delayed by > vo saying "java busy." The browser though for some reason I can't > interact with or get information of listed worlds. Are there worlds > listed from initial programming of the aplication, or does it create > the list as I add worlds? I suppose if there are no worlds listed > yet, then that's why I wouldn't be able to interact with browser. > Some time I will try going into one of the games and see if it will > add the world. > > I think what worrys me more is that something's resources are being > over used somewhere with VO saying "java busy" all the time, and I > haven't figured out exactly why that's happening, which of course > forces me as a player to be slow waiting to get the information. > > I remember trying an earlier version of this aplication maybe a > couple of years ago, well deffinitely over a year ago and this > version is better for feedback in giving me information as to what's > available. So you've deffinitely progressed in this version compared > to the one I tried before in the previous version. > > Also what is the latest version of Java which can be ran with Tiger, > perhaps that may be part of the problem as well, not sure. I don't > give up to fast if I can find labeled things to click. Went round > and round with Atlantis before getting it to work ok with my machine > as well. Meanwhile doing that would play games with mudwalkerwhich > works, but again have to be pretty active with theVO home and end > keys and the tab key to get information. But don't have a clue as to > how do do plugginsfor sounds or anything like that for mudwalker. > Haven't tried doing pluggins for your aplication yet, figured I would > try it as it is first before seeing what were offered for pluggins. > > Some game sites offer sound packages that you can run while in their > games, which to me would be cool to hear while playing. > > In short though, I haven't given up on trying it yet, and probably > won't for a while yet. The unfortunate thing is though I haven't > been able to spend much time at computer for past 4 months, but > perhaps when my wife can get to come back home I will get some more > computer time back in because I will physically be at home more. > Unless when she gets back home she creates large "honey do" lists for > me *lol.* > > > On Oct 23, 2009, at 5:32 PM, KehzaFox wrote: > >> Well, that's definitely not off to a good start, and needless to say a >> little disappointing! >> >> Following Java's standards the buttons (at least on the World >> Connector) >> I have not only labelled the buttons but added an additional >> Accessible >> Name and Accessible Description which (in theory) are to be used by >> screen readers. >> >> How slow the client appears to you is also a bit troubling. My >> intention is to load up the client on my wife's Macbook an
Re: mudwalker
Hi there, Indeed I am quick interested in implementing accessibility in JamochaMUD and am hoping (despite a bought of the flu) to do a new release very shortly. I do have to admit that I'm a little baffled by the voice-over reports though... some folks say that labels aren't showing up at all, others say there are labels for some things, I think someone indicated that things seemed to work, and then one person who couldn't get beyond a "Java is busy" type of message. I think I need to figure out some sort've baseline, or maybe wire up a specific webstart to get some repeatable instances going on. I also need to be more proactive and start asking more questions on the Apple Dev lists. You are correct though, I will take any constructive criticism or suggestions for JamochaMUD... I just need folks that're willing to report their findings. I sometimes miss things on this list... Jeff Thomas McMahan wrote: > I think Jeff the developer of JamochaMUD is seriously interested > though in accessibility, well, that's the deffinite impression I get. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=.
JamochaMUD release (Accessibility testing)
Hi folks, I have just released a new version of JamochaMUD, a free (open source) Java MUD client. I'm working toward making JamochaMUD as accessibility as possible and always looking for feedback. If anyone feels brave enough to try out the lastest version (version 4.4), you may try the webstart version at http://www.jamochamud.org/downloads.html My apologies if this is seen as a mis-use of this mailing list. Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=.
Re: JamochaMUD release (Accessibility testing)
With-out "unrestricted access" JamochaMUD cannot access your computer's filesystem, which means that saving any configuration settings, worlds, or logs cannot be done. The term "unrestricted access" is a bit leading in that it makes it sound like JamochaMUD would root your system or something, which is quite far from the truth. Agreeing to let JamochaMUD have unrestricted access on your system will give it the same privileges as any other piece of software that you would run locally. Except that you can see the source-code. I've never tried to run JamochaMUD sandboxed, but that might be an interesting experiment to see if it could run that way. Jeff Jake wrote: > I went to try it out, but I'd like to know something before > continuing. I am being prompted for this Java app to obtain full > access to my computer. Why? A MUD client would not need full access to > the system and I never allow full acces unless I know why. > > > KehzaFox wrote: >> Hi folks, >> >> I have just released a new version of JamochaMUD, a free (open source) >> Java MUD client. I'm working toward making JamochaMUD as accessibility >> as possible and always looking for feedback. >> >> If anyone feels brave enough to try out the lastest version (version >> 4.4), you may try the webstart version at >> http://www.jamochamud.org/downloads.html >> >> My apologies if this is seen as a mis-use of this mailing list. >> >> Jeff > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: running mud clients in terminal?
anouk radix wrote: > Hello, I was wondering. I want to run a mudclient in terminal. But what kind > of applications can be run that way? How must they be compiled? > Greetings, Anouk, > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > Though I don't have a specific link for you TinyFugue is one of the grand-daddys of mud clients and runs in a terminal. I'm not certain if there is a Mac-specific port of it, but it'd be worth looking around! Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: jamochamud
Hi folks, Just as a note I've updated JamochaMUD so that it should now honour the Mac interface by using the system menu at the top of the screen (instead of the windows-like menu attached to the program itself). In addition JamochaMUD should also use the Mac-centric menu accelerators by using the Command key instead of the Control key. The simplest down is still via Webstart from http://www.jamochamud.org/downloads.html Jeff On 11/05/2009 06:21 AM, KehzaFox wrote: > Hi Anouk, > > Just out of curiosity (since I've had people say everything from > JamochaMUD has no labels to all the labels are complete and it works), > do you have your computer set for a language other than English? > JamochaMUD automatically checks the system setting for language and will > try to use the appropriate language pack. I'm just wondering if this is > something else in the mix that is causing the problem? > > If it is a language issue then I've got something definite to look at. > Otherwise I'll continue to look at the code and see if I can figure out > why the labels aren't showing up. > > Jeff > > anouk radix wrote: >> Hello, I just downloaded the jamochamud client via java webstart. I >> ran it but the buttons were not labeled and did not have a helptag, i >> could read the initial dialogbox and check the checkbox but that was >> it, i did not get any further. There are buttons listed and in one >> further dialog they were labeled but in that dialog i saw no text. >> Greetings, Anouk >> >> --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en >> -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
