Re: Anyone Know About Ray-Ban Smart Glasses?

['Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries]

I have the metal Rayban glasses and they are of sort of every day usefulness including for the blind but not as specific in the kind of information as the Celeste classes. There is a good Facebook group called Blind uses of meta Rayban glasses which you might want to join even in advance of deciding whether to buy the glassesOn 26 Jun 2024, at 03:44, joseph hodge  wrote:I had them then sent them back. For me they were super uncomfortable on my nose. Also meta-AI is not nearly as good as GPT! It’s probably in the middle between GEMINI and GPT.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 25, 2024, at 10:41 PM, 'Eileen Scrivani ' via MacVisionaries  wrote:I’ll take a look at that. I was hoping to get some input from someone who might be using them. Thanks. Eileen  From: 'Patrick Ford' via MacVisionaries  Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 7:27 PMTo: macvisionaries@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Anyone Know About Ray-Ban Smart Glasses? Hi, if you go to meta.com you could read all about the Ray-Ban Maya Smart glasses. They’re also sold at Amazon. There’s a few different styles I believe three styles there are $300 with some of the colors and newer styles. go up in price to about 379 I believe but the beta site will tell you all the prices. Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 25, 2024, at 4:02 PM, 'Eileen Scrivani ' via MacVisionaries  wrote:Hi All, Sorry if this might be a little off-topic, but I recently heard an ad for Ray-Ban Smart Glasses which seemed to indicate the glasses could take a shot and read back information/text to the wearer. I am wondering if anyone has these glasses and if they are a good or helpful device for a totally blind person? Are the Ray-Ban glasses anything like the Orcam. Also are they Apple compatible? Any first-hand info about them is appreciated. I’ve looked on line and it lists specs, but I’m not finding if they are helpful for a blind person. Eileen-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/000701dac753%24c662d5f0%24532881d0%24%40verizon.net.-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/6E53488C-C700-490B-9EF7-0B16EA01D720%40icloud.com.



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RE: Anyone Know About Ray-Ban Smart Glasses?

['Eileen Scrivani ' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks for the input. I think these are not what I thought they were and not 
for me.

 

Eileen 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of joseph hodge
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 10:44 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Anyone Know About Ray-Ban Smart Glasses?

 

I had them then sent them back. For me they were super uncomfortable on my 
nose. Also meta-AI is not nearly as good as GPT! It’s probably in the middle 
between GEMINI and GPT.

Sent from my iPhone





On Jun 25, 2024, at 10:41 PM, 'Eileen Scrivani ' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:



I’ll take a look at that. I was hoping to get some input from someone who might 
be using them.

 

Thanks.

 

Eileen

 

 

From: 'Patrick Ford' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 7:27 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Anyone Know About Ray-Ban Smart Glasses?

 

Hi, if you go to meta.com you could read all about the Ray-Ban Maya Smart 
glasses. They’re also sold at Amazon. There’s a few different styles I believe 
three styles there are $300 with some of the colors and newer styles. go up in 
price to about 379 I believe but the beta site will tell you all the prices. 

Sent from my iPhone






On Jun 25, 2024, at 4:02 PM, 'Eileen Scrivani ' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:



Hi All,

 

Sorry if this might be a little off-topic, but I recently heard an ad for 
Ray-Ban Smart Glasses which seemed to indicate the glasses could take a shot 
and read back information/text to the wearer. I am wondering if anyone has 
these glasses and if they are a good or helpful device for a totally blind 
person? Are the Ray-Ban glasses anything like the Orcam. Also are they Apple 
compatible?

 

Any first-hand info about them is appreciated. I’ve looked on line and it lists 
specs, but I’m not finding if they are helpful for a blind person.

 

Eileen

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RE: Anyone Know About Ray-Ban Smart Glasses?

['Eileen Scrivani ' via MacVisionaries]

Okay, thank you. I am totally turned off by Facebook and won’t sign up for 
anything FB. Thanks anyway.

 

Eileen

 

 

From: 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 6:01 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Anyone Know About Ray-Ban Smart Glasses?

 

I have the metal Rayban glasses and they are of sort of every day usefulness 
including for the blind but not as specific in the kind of information as the 
Celeste classes. There is a good Facebook group called Blind uses of meta 
Rayban glasses which you might want to join even in advance of deciding whether 
to buy the glasses





On 26 Jun 2024, at 03:44, joseph hodge mailto:josephlho...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I had them then sent them back. For me they were super uncomfortable on my 
nose. Also meta-AI is not nearly as good as GPT! It’s probably in the middle 
between GEMINI and GPT.

Sent from my iPhone





On Jun 25, 2024, at 10:41 PM, 'Eileen Scrivani ' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:



I’ll take a look at that. I was hoping to get some input from someone who might 
be using them.

 

Thanks.

 

Eileen

 

 

From: 'Patrick Ford' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 7:27 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Anyone Know About Ray-Ban Smart Glasses?

 

Hi, if you go to meta.com you could read all about the Ray-Ban Maya Smart 
glasses. They’re also sold at Amazon. There’s a few different styles I believe 
three styles there are $300 with some of the colors and newer styles. go up in 
price to about 379 I believe but the beta site will tell you all the prices. 

Sent from my iPhone






On Jun 25, 2024, at 4:02 PM, 'Eileen Scrivani ' via MacVisionaries 
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Hi All,

 

Sorry if this might be a little off-topic, but I recently heard an ad for 
Ray-Ban Smart Glasses which seemed to indicate the glasses could take a shot 
and read back information/text to the wearer. I am wondering if anyone has 
these glasses and if they are a good or helpful device for a totally blind 
person? Are the Ray-Ban glasses anything like the Orcam. Also are they Apple 
compatible?

 

Any first-hand info about them is appreciated. I’ve looked on line and it lists 
specs, but I’m not finding if they are helpful for a blind person.

 

Eileen

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Re: Anyone Know About Ray-Ban Smart Glasses?

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ACB recently put out a podcast about these glasses, and the people who actually own them spoke about their experiences with them, their limitations, and so forth, I’m not sure we are on ACB American council for the blind, that they keep these podcasts for replay, but if you write to ACB they would tell you I’m sure Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 26, 2024, at 8:02 AM, 'Eileen Scrivani ' via MacVisionaries  wrote:Okay, thank you. I am totally turned off by Facebook and won’t sign up for anything FB. Thanks anyway. Eileen  From: 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries  Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 6:01 AMTo: macvisionaries@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Anyone Know About Ray-Ban Smart Glasses? I have the metal Rayban glasses and they are of sort of every day usefulness including for the blind but not as specific in the kind of information as the Celeste classes. There is a good Facebook group called Blind uses of meta Rayban glasses which you might want to join even in advance of deciding whether to buy the glassesOn 26 Jun 2024, at 03:44, joseph hodge  wrote:I had them then sent them back. For me they were super uncomfortable on my nose. Also meta-AI is not nearly as good as GPT! It’s probably in the middle between GEMINI and GPT.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 25, 2024, at 10:41 PM, 'Eileen Scrivani ' via MacVisionaries  wrote:I’ll take a look at that. I was hoping to get some input from someone who might be using them. Thanks. Eileen  From: 'Patrick Ford' via MacVisionaries  Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 7:27 PMTo: macvisionaries@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Anyone Know About Ray-Ban Smart Glasses? Hi, if you go to meta.com you could read all about the Ray-Ban Maya Smart glasses. They’re also sold at Amazon. There’s a few different styles I believe three styles there are $300 with some of the colors and newer styles. go up in price to about 379 I believe but the beta site will tell you all the prices. Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 25, 2024, at 4:02 PM, 'Eileen Scrivani ' via MacVisionaries  wrote:Hi All, Sorry if this might be a little off-topic, but I recently heard an ad for Ray-Ban Smart Glasses which seemed to indicate the glasses could take a shot and read back information/text to the wearer. I am wondering if anyone has these glasses and if they are a good or helpful device for a totally blind person? Are the Ray-Ban glasses anything like the Orcam. Also are they Apple compatible? Any first-hand info about them is appreciated. I’ve looked on line and it lists specs, but I’m not finding if they are helpful for a blind person. Eileen-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/000701dac753%24c662d5f0%24532881d0%24%40verizon.net.-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/6E53488C-C700-490B-9EF7-0B16EA01D720%40icloud.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can 

Re: Text Messages

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Depends on the client. Messages come through different protocols and
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Paramout Plus apple tv and iPhone app accessibility

[sarai.bucciarelli]

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Is the Paramount plus app on Apple TV and iPhone accessible?

I currently subscribe to this streaming service via Amazon prime channel,
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Unfortunately they are doing a price hike in August. I was thinking about
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Re: Paramout Plus apple tv and iPhone app accessibility

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We currently get Paramount+ to Apple TV+ application. Before we did that, plus Vapplication was accessible. But I have not tried for a year and a half.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 26, 2024, at 9:18 PM, sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:All:Is the Paramount plus app on Apple TV and iPhone accessible?I currently subscribe to this streaming service via Amazon prime channel, and it is accessible.Unfortunately they are doing a price hike in August. I was thinking about going through the app and getting annual plan before it increased.



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Re: Anyone Know About Ray-Ban Smart Glasses?

[Brianna Snyder]

I own and love them. Holding up something and asking what it is is way easier than using Seeing AI on the phone since you're hands-free.Color identification seems pretty accurate. You can get summaries of text you're looking at, but for serious text reading, I use Seeing AI.They'll give you short scene descriptions, and you can ask about specific stuff in the picture from there.There are 5 microphone in the glasses, making the videos seem as if you're right there when you watch them back.You don't actually need a FB account, but I mean, yeah, it IS Meta. And Meta owns FaceBook.They're not for everyone, but hands-free AI capabilities, spatial audio in videos, and open-ear audio when walking about make them one of my best $400 purchases.Brianna On Jun 26, 2024, at 11:53 AM, 'Patrick Ford' via MacVisionaries  wrote:ACB recently put out a podcast about these glasses, and the people who actually own them spoke about their experiences with them, their limitations, and so forth, I’m not sure we are on ACB American council for the blind, that they keep these podcasts for replay, but if you write to ACB they would tell you I’m sure Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 26, 2024, at 8:02 AM, 'Eileen Scrivani ' via MacVisionaries  wrote:Okay, thank you. I am totally turned off by Facebook and won’t sign up for anything FB. Thanks anyway. Eileen  From: 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries  Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 6:01 AMTo: macvisionaries@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Anyone Know About Ray-Ban Smart Glasses? I have the metal Rayban glasses and they are of sort of every day usefulness including for the blind but not as specific in the kind of information as the Celeste classes. There is a good Facebook group called Blind uses of meta Rayban glasses which you might want to join even in advance of deciding whether to buy the glassesOn 26 Jun 2024, at 03:44, joseph hodge  wrote:I had them then sent them back. For me they were super uncomfortable on my nose. Also meta-AI is not nearly as good as GPT! It’s probably in the middle between GEMINI and GPT.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 25, 2024, at 10:41 PM, 'Eileen Scrivani ' via MacVisionaries  wrote:I’ll take a look at that. I was hoping to get some input from someone who might be using them. Thanks. Eileen  From: 'Patrick Ford' via MacVisionaries  Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 7:27 PMTo: macvisionaries@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Anyone Know About Ray-Ban Smart Glasses? Hi, if you go to meta.com you could read all about the Ray-Ban Maya Smart glasses. They’re also sold at Amazon. There’s a few different styles I believe three styles there are $300 with some of the colors and newer styles. go up in price to about 379 I believe but the beta site will tell you all the prices. Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 25, 2024, at 4:02 PM, 'Eileen Scrivani ' via MacVisionaries  wrote:Hi All, Sorry if this might be a little off-topic, but I recently heard an ad for Ray-Ban Smart Glasses which seemed to indicate the glasses could take a shot and read back information/text to the wearer. I am wondering if anyone has these glasses and if they are a good or helpful device for a totally blind person? Are the Ray-Ban glasses anything like the Orcam. Also are they Apple compatible? Any first-hand info about them is appreciated. I’ve looked on line and it lists specs, but I’m not finding if they are helpful for a blind person. Eileen-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/000701dac753%24c662d5f0%24532881d0%24%40verizon.net.-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macv

Re: Text Messages

[Gabe Griffith]

Hi, 

As Herbie said, deleting and reporting as junk isn't very effective in stopping 
messages from that number. I think all it does is to let Apple and your carrier 
know you got a junk text but doesn't stop you from receiving texts from that 
number. The only way I've found to do that is to block the number. 

Gabe 



> On Jun 25, 2024, at 2:53 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>    I've only seen this kind of message once before so this time I reported 
> it as junk.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
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>> On 6/25/2024 2:48 PM, Herbie Allen wrote:
>> From the outside, swipe up to delete and after double tapping, you will see 
>> an option to delete and report junk. However, it may not be that afective.
 On Jun 25, 2024, at 15:09, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> the way that works for me is that often, below the junk message itself, 
>>> this isinside after you’ve opened it, there’s something that says: delete 
>>> and report junk. you just double tap it. that’s if the sender’s not in your 
>>> contact list. if they are you can delete it fromoutside the message but you 
>>> can’t report it as junik.
>>> 
 On Jun 25, 2024, at 2:07 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi,
  Is there a way to mark a text message as junk or spam? Thanks.
 
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Re: Anyone Know About Ray-Ban Smart Glasses?

[Marlene Kramer]

Hello,A blind user of these glasses as recently produced two podcasts available on AppleVis regarding his use. I suggest you look there.Best.On Jun 26, 2024, at 10:53 AM, 'Patrick Ford' via MacVisionaries  wrote:ACB recently put out a podcast about these glasses, and the people who actually own them spoke about their experiences with them, their limitations, and so forth, I’m not sure we are on ACB American council for the blind, that they keep these podcasts for replay, but if you write to ACB they would tell you I’m sure Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 26, 2024, at 8:02 AM, 'Eileen Scrivani ' via MacVisionaries  wrote:Okay, thank you. I am totally turned off by Facebook and won’t sign up for anything FB. Thanks anyway. Eileen  From: 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries  Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 6:01 AMTo: macvisionaries@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Anyone Know About Ray-Ban Smart Glasses? I have the metal Rayban glasses and they are of sort of every day usefulness including for the blind but not as specific in the kind of information as the Celeste classes. There is a good Facebook group called Blind uses of meta Rayban glasses which you might want to join even in advance of deciding whether to buy the glassesOn 26 Jun 2024, at 03:44, joseph hodge  wrote:I had them then sent them back. For me they were super uncomfortable on my nose. Also meta-AI is not nearly as good as GPT! It’s probably in the middle between GEMINI and GPT.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 25, 2024, at 10:41 PM, 'Eileen Scrivani ' via MacVisionaries  wrote:I’ll take a look at that. I was hoping to get some input from someone who might be using them. Thanks. Eileen  From: 'Patrick Ford' via MacVisionaries  Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 7:27 PMTo: macvisionaries@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Anyone Know About Ray-Ban Smart Glasses? Hi, if you go to meta.com you could read all about the Ray-Ban Maya Smart glasses. They’re also sold at Amazon. There’s a few different styles I believe three styles there are $300 with some of the colors and newer styles. go up in price to about 379 I believe but the beta site will tell you all the prices. Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 25, 2024, at 4:02 PM, 'Eileen Scrivani ' via MacVisionaries  wrote:Hi All, Sorry if this might be a little off-topic, but I recently heard an ad for Ray-Ban Smart Glasses which seemed to indicate the glasses could take a shot and read back information/text to the wearer. I am wondering if anyone has these glasses and if they are a good or helpful device for a totally blind person? Are the Ray-Ban glasses anything like the Orcam. Also are they Apple compatible? Any first-hand info about them is appreciated. I’ve looked on line and it lists specs, but I’m not finding if they are helpful for a blind person. Eileen-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/000701dac753%24c662d5f0%24532881d0%24%40verizon.net.-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/6E53488C-C700-490B-9EF7-0B16EA01D720%40icloud.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, pleas