Anyone have experience with the Orbit reader?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

I am still on a quest to find a braille display with a qwerty keyboard, and I 
just saw that Orbit is about to release a forty cell display with a qwerty 
keyboard.  I’d love to hear about people’s experience with the Orbit reader.  I 
realize it won’t be the new display, but I do remember that at least early on, 
people had a lot of negative things to say about the Orbit reader.  Is that 
still the case?  In the blurb I read, it said it’s compatible with Voiceover.  
Has anyone used an Orbit with either a Mac or an iPhone?
Cheers,
Donna

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Anyone have experience with the Orbit reader?

['Kliph Miller Sr' via MacVisionaries]

> Orbit has a qwerty keyboard? I thought it was a braille style keyboard? 
> Donna, have you tried the mantis? I have been using it for 3 years and love 
> it. Even has a note taker and some of the bookshare sites built into it.
> 
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>> On Mar 23, 2024, at 8:07 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I am still on a quest to find a braille display with a qwerty keyboard, and 
>> I just saw that Orbit is about to release a forty cell display with a qwerty 
>> keyboard.  I’d love to hear about people’s experience with the Orbit reader. 
>>  I realize it won’t be the new display, but I do remember that at least 
>> early on, people had a lot of negative things to say about the Orbit reader. 
>>  Is that still the case?  In the blurb I read, it said it’s compatible with 
>> Voiceover.  Has anyone used an Orbit with either a Mac or an iPhone?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: Anyone have experience with the Orbit reader?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Orbit has just announced a display with a qwerty keyboard that will start 
shipping in June.

I had a Mantis, but sold it.  I loved the unit, but had trouble using the thumb 
keys due to arthritis in my thumbs.
Donna

> On Mar 23, 2024, at 9:30 AM, 'Kliph Miller Sr' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Orbit has a qwerty keyboard? I thought it was a braille style keyboard? 
>> Donna, have you tried the mantis? I have been using it for 3 years and love 
>> it. Even has a note taker and some of the bookshare sites built into it.
>> 
>> Check out the TechTalk  Podcast 
>> 
>> Sturitup on  Youtube 
>>  Page
>> The MacForTheBlind Podcast 
>> And iPad for All computing on th TTJ Tech Talk Podcast 
>> 
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>>  
>> for all class audio
>> 
>>> On Mar 23, 2024, at 8:07 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I am still on a quest to find a braille display with a qwerty keyboard, and 
>>> I just saw that Orbit is about to release a forty cell display with a 
>>> qwerty keyboard.  I’d love to hear about people’s experience with the Orbit 
>>> reader.  I realize it won’t be the new display, but I do remember that at 
>>> least early on, people had a lot of negative things to say about the Orbit 
>>> reader.  Is that still the case?  In the blurb I read, it said it’s 
>>> compatible with Voiceover.  Has anyone used an Orbit with either a Mac or 
>>> an iPhone?
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
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Re: Anyone have experience with the Orbit reader?

['Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries]

On 23/3/24 09:07, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

I am still on a quest to find a braille display with a qwerty keyboard,
and I just saw that Orbit is about to release a forty cell display with a
  qwerty keyboard.  I’d love to hear about people’s experience with the
Orbit reader.  I realize it won’t be the new display, but I do remember
that at least early on, people had a lot of negative things to say about
  the Orbit reader.  Is that still the case?  In the blurb I read, it
said it’s compatible with Voiceover.  Has anyone used an Orbit with
either a Mac or an iPhone?


As I recall, in an interview several years ago, Orbit Research 
acknowledged reliability difficulties with their braille cell 
technology, but claimed these problems had been rectified. To what 
extent that's true, I am not in any position to verify independently.


Orbit's cells are also noisier and slower to refresh than Piezoelectric 
cells. I prefer the latter, but there are people who prefer Orbit 
Research cells.


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Re: GMail App on iPhone

['Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries]

On 22/3/24 01:42, Jürgen Fleger wrote:

I don't like the conversations view in this App on my iPhone. But it
seems it doesn't work to disable it in the settings. Whether it is
enabled or disabled it always looks the same.
Note that you can configure Apple Mail to access Google's Gmail 
accounts. I note this here in case you aren't already aware.


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Re: Anyone have experience with the Orbit reader?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Jason.  I just read Scott Davert’s review from 2021, and he did mention 
that.  I’d love to get a demo, just to evaluate the braille cells before I make 
a purchase decision.  But I sure do like the price tag a lot better than the 
one for the Activator, which is the only other qwerty contender for me 
currently, since I can’t use the thumb keys on the Mantis.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Mar 23, 2024, at 10:20 AM, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 23/3/24 09:07, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> I am still on a quest to find a braille display with a qwerty keyboard, 
>> and I just saw that Orbit is about to release a forty cell display with a
>>  qwerty keyboard.  I’d love to hear about people’s experience with the 
>> Orbit reader.  I realize it won’t be the new display, but I do remember 
>> that at least early on, people had a lot of negative things to say about
>>  the Orbit reader.  Is that still the case?  In the blurb I read, it 
>> said it’s compatible with Voiceover.  Has anyone used an Orbit with 
>> either a Mac or an iPhone?
> As I recall, in an interview several years ago, Orbit Research acknowledged 
> reliability difficulties with their braille cell technology, but claimed 
> these problems had been rectified. To what extent that's true, I am not in 
> any position to verify independently.
> 
> Orbit's cells are also noisier and slower to refresh than Piezoelectric 
> cells. I prefer the latter, but there are people who prefer Orbit Research 
> cells.
> 
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RE: Anyone have experience with the Orbit reader?

[Jessica Barr]

Hi Donna,
I tested several Orbit Readers for my braille and talking book library, and 
they all broke down within a few months, if not sooner. I loved the braille 
cells when they were all in good working order, so I bought an Orbit Reader 20 
Plus shortly after it was released, hoping that the longevity of the braille 
cells had improved. After eight or nine months, two of the cells had stopped 
working correctly. I got the BrailleSense 6 around the same time, so the Orbit 
just sat unused on a shelf for a while before I got it repaired. After that I 
donated it to an organization I'm in because I wanted to get rid of it but 
didn't feel as though I should ask for money for a product I had already had 
such bad luck with. I know there are people who have had good luck with the 
Orbit Reader, but I would not recommend it to anyone.

- Original Message -
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
Date: Saturday, March 23, 2024 09:08 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Anyone have experience with the Orbit reader?

Hi all,
I am still on a quest to find a braille display with a qwerty keyboard, and I 
just saw that Orbit is about to release a forty cell display with a qwerty 
keyboard.  I'd love to hear about people's experience with the Orbit reader.  I 
realize it won't be the new display, but I do remember that at least early on, 
people had a lot of negative things to say about the Orbit reader.  Is that 
still the case?  In the blurb I read, it said it's compatible with Voiceover.  
Has anyone used an Orbit with either a Mac or an iPhone?
Cheers,
Donna
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Re: GMail App on iPhone

[Jürgen Fleger]

Thanks Jason. I'm aware of it. But i'd like to use a different eMail client for my professional life. So do you know any accessible e-Mail client for iPhone other than the Apple Mail app or GMail?Von meinem iPhone gesendetAm 23.03.2024 um 16:22 schrieb 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries :

  

  
  


On 22/3/24 01:42, Jürgen Fleger wrote:


  I don't like the conversations view in this App on my iPhone. But it 
seems it doesn't work to disable it in the settings. Whether it is 
enabled or disabled it always looks the same. 


Note that you can configure Apple Mail to access Google's Gmail
accounts. I note this here in case you aren't already aware.
  




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Re: Anyone have experience with the Orbit reader?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Jessica,

Wow!  I’m sorry to hear that you had so many problems with the device, all the 
more since you had the opportunity to test several different units.  A Braille 
display whose cells don’t last is definitely no deal, no matter how great the 
price tag is.  Glad you have your BrailleSense 6, so at least you weren’t 
completely reliant on the Orbit Reader.  Thanks for telling me about your 
experience.  I have to say that has me leaning away from buying it.
Best,
Donna


> On Mar 23, 2024, at 11:34 AM, Jessica Barr  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> I tested several Orbit Readers for my braille and talking book library, and 
> they all broke down within a few months, if not sooner. I loved the braille 
> cells when they were all in good working order, so I bought an Orbit Reader 
> 20 Plus shortly after it was released, hoping that the longevity of the 
> braille cells had improved. After eight or nine months, two of the cells had 
> stopped working correctly. I got the BrailleSense 6 around the same time, so 
> the Orbit just sat unused on a shelf for a while before I got it repaired. 
> After that I donated it to an organization I'm in because I wanted to get rid 
> of it but didn't feel as though I should ask for money for a product I had 
> already had such bad luck with. I know there are people who have had good 
> luck with the Orbit Reader, but I would not recommend it to anyone.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> Date: Saturday, March 23, 2024 09:08 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Anyone have experience with the Orbit reader?
> 
> Hi all,
> I am still on a quest to find a braille display with a qwerty keyboard, and I 
> just saw that Orbit is about to release a forty cell display with a qwerty 
> keyboard.  I'd love to hear about people's experience with the Orbit reader.  
> I realize it won't be the new display, but I do remember that at least early 
> on, people had a lot of negative things to say about the Orbit reader.  Is 
> that still the case?  In the blurb I read, it said it's compatible with 
> Voiceover.  Has anyone used an Orbit with either a Mac or an iPhone?
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: GMail App on iPhone

[Jonathan Cohn]

Outlook for IOS is supposed to work with Gmail also. I have no idea if you need 
a Microsoft 360 account to use it. The read my emails function in Outlook is 
quite nice, though I don’t know if it works with Gmail accounts.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Mar 23, 2024, at 11:22 AM, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 
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> On 22/3/24 01:42, Jürgen Fleger wrote:
>> I don't like the conversations view in this App on my iPhone. But it 
>> seems it doesn't work to disable it in the settings. Whether it is 
>> enabled or disabled it always looks the same. 
> Note that you can configure Apple Mail to access Google's Gmail accounts. I 
> note this here in case you aren't already aware.
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RE: Anyone have experience with the Orbit reader?

[Jessica Barr]

Yes, I would rather pay more for a device that will work reliably for at least 
a few years before having to be sent in than have a cheap display that has to 
be sent in potentially several times a year for repairs. Personally, I love the 
thumb keys on Humanware displays, but you're not the first person who has told 
me that they're very difficult to use for people who have arthritis in their 
hands.

- Original Message -
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
Date: Saturday, March 23, 2024 02:20 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Anyone have experience with the Orbit reader?

Hi Jessica,
Wow!  I'm sorry to hear that you had so many problems with the device, all the 
more since you had the opportunity to test several different units.  A Braille 
display whose cells don't last is definitely no deal, no matter how great the 
price tag is.  Glad you have your BrailleSense 6, so at least you weren't 
completely reliant on the Orbit Reader.  Thanks for telling me about your 
experience.  I have to say that has me leaning away from buying it.
Best,
Donna

> On Mar 23, 2024, at 11:34 AM, Jessica Barr  wrote:
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> Hi Donna,
> I tested several Orbit Readers for my braille and talking book library, and 
> they all broke down within a few months, if not sooner. I loved the braille 
> cells when they were all in good working order, so I bought an Orbit Reader 
> 20 Plus shortly after it was released, hoping that the longevity of the 
> braille cells had improved. After eight or nine months, two of the cells had 
> stopped working correctly. I got the BrailleSense 6 around the same time, so 
> the Orbit just sat unused on a shelf for a while before I got it repaired. 
> After that I donated it to an organization I'm in because I wanted to get rid 
> of it but didn't feel as though I should ask for money for a product I had 
> already had such bad luck with. I know there are people who have had good 
> luck with the Orbit Reader, but I would not recommend it to anyone.
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> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> Date: Saturday, March 23, 2024 09:08 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Anyone have experience with the Orbit reader?
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> Hi all,
> I am still on a quest to find a braille display with a qwerty keyboard, and I 
> just saw that Orbit is about to release a forty cell display with a qwerty 
> keyboard.  I'd love to hear about people's experience with the Orbit reader.  
> I realize it won't be the new display, but I do remember that at least early 
> on, people had a lot of negative things to say about the Orbit reader.  Is 
> that still the case?  In the blurb I read, it said it's compatible with 
> Voiceover.  Has anyone used an Orbit with either a Mac or an iPhone?
> Cheers,
> Donna
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