Re: Mack questions

[Mike Arrigo]

As far as extended batteries, you might consider getting a power bank, these 
are portable batteries with USB ports that will charge recent mac laptops that 
charge over USB C.
As far as speaking the information you asked about, pressing VO+F7 once will 
provide the time and date and pressing it twice will provide battery 
information.

> On Jun 23, 2023, at 6:37 PM, Rebecca Sabo  wrote:
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> Hi all, 
> I have some mack questions to ask to the list.  Is their a way to get a 
> extended battery for my mack?  Is their a short cut for finding out what the 
> battery level is and also a short cut to fine out the time on the computer?
> Thanks 
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Re: Mack questions

[Mike Arrigo]

I don’t have this power bank but I do have other Anker products and they are 
great so I would suggest checking out this power bank from them.
https://www.anker.com/products/b1291?variant=41742689468566&ref=collectionBuy&discount=WS24129120

> On Jun 23, 2023, at 6:55 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> VO F7 to your last too,questions if running Ventura and there are portable 
> battery banks you can get for Macs. 
> 
>> On Jun 23, 2023, at 16:37, Rebecca Sabo  wrote:
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>> I have some mack questions to ask to the list.  Is their a way to get a 
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>> battery level is and also a short cut to fine out the time on the computer?
>> Thanks 
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Re: Finder issues becoming more severe

[Mike Arrigo]

Drives should not be disappearing, I have two M1 Mac minis and I have used USB 
flash drives and a Seagate mechanical hard drive, sometimes connected to one of 
the USB A ports and other times using a USB C to USB A adapter and have not had 
any problems at all. One thing I would suggest, always connect drives to the 
Mac itself, no hubs or keyboard ports, those can definitely cause problems.

> On Jun 24, 2023, at 6:16 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
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>Have you called Apple support? It sounds like something a bit more serious 
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>> Hello.  I had a drive or two that I thought were causing problems in the 
>> Finder on my M1 Mac mini.  Drives were getting burned up and just not 
>> functioning right.  I got rid of the hub.  Unfortunately, though, I am now 
>> having problems with drives no matter how they are connected.  Is the Finder 
>> just not stable on these Macs?  I even plugged a little thumb drive into the 
>> USB port on my Apple keyboard.  I tried several times to copy some files and 
>> the drive disappears.  I expect it to be slow, but not to disappear.
>> 
>> Is this a known problem?  Do I need to take this Mac to the Apple Store?  
>> Thanks for any insights into this growing problem.
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Unable to read tables in Safari

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Michael,

For some reason, my original reply to Michael was sent via a different address. 
 Here it is again.

Here’s an example of a page where I can’t read the table.  You have to scroll 
down a lot, but eventually, you get to a grid, which I presume contains a list 
of shows on Hulu. I cannot read anything in that grid.
https://reelgood.com/tv/source/hulu
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jun 24, 2023, at 5:04 PM, Michael Babcock  > wrote:
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> Hi Donna,
> 
> I'll second that I have issues with tables in some instances in Safari.
> 
> It would be interesting if anyone can share some site that they experience 
> issues with to see if other people are, as maybe it's a configuration issue 
> that some of us have not made an order to navigate tables. All of the tables 
> I have problems with our internal tools that I cannot share access to, 
> however, it does pop up occasionally, and this is what pushed me to actually 
> purchase parallels. I wanted to actually work, and could not do that in 
> Safari, or edge with VoiceOver on the Mac, as the table would not allow you 
> to use your VoiceOver plus up and down, left and right keys in order to 
> navigate it at all. And, disabling the ability to group tables had no impact.


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Re: Unable to read tables in Safari

[Brandon Olivares]

For what it’s worth, I’m still on Monterey and I could not read that table 
either.

> On Jun 25, 2023, at 10:39 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi Michael,
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> For some reason, my original reply to Michael was sent via a different 
> address.  Here it is again.
> 
> Here’s an example of a page where I can’t read the table.  You have to scroll 
> down a lot, but eventually, you get to a grid, which I presume contains a 
> list of shows on Hulu. I cannot read anything in that grid.
> https://reelgood.com/tv/source/hulu 
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jun 24, 2023, at 5:04 PM, Michael Babcock > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> I'll second that I have issues with tables in some instances in Safari.
>> 
>> It would be interesting if anyone can share some site that they experience 
>> issues with to see if other people are, as maybe it's a configuration issue 
>> that some of us have not made an order to navigate tables. All of the tables 
>> I have problems with our internal tools that I cannot share access to, 
>> however, it does pop up occasionally, and this is what pushed me to actually 
>> purchase parallels. I wanted to actually work, and could not do that in 
>> Safari, or edge with VoiceOver on the Mac, as the table would not allow you 
>> to use your VoiceOver plus up and down, left and right keys in order to 
>> navigate it at all. And, disabling the ability to group tables had no impact.
>   
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Re: Unable to read tables in Safari

[Brad Snyder]

Hi Donna,

I visited the website you referenced, and am unable to read the table as well.
When I navigate to the table, VoiceOver announces “grid, empty  table”.
I am unable to interact, or navigate because apparently, VoiceOver finds no 
content in the table.
Obviously, the web designers have done something very strange.

- Brad -



On Jun 25, 2023, at 09:39, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi Michael,

For some reason, my original reply to Michael was sent via a different address. 
 Here it is again.

Here’s an example of a page where I can’t read the table.  You have to scroll 
down a lot, but eventually, you get to a grid, which I presume contains a list 
of shows on Hulu. I cannot read anything in that grid.
https://reelgood.com/tv/source/hulu
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jun 24, 2023, at 5:04 PM, Michael Babcock  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> I'll second that I have issues with tables in some instances in Safari.
> 
> It would be interesting if anyone can share some site that they experience 
> issues with to see if other people are, as maybe it's a configuration issue 
> that some of us have not made an order to navigate tables. All of the tables 
> I have problems with our internal tools that I cannot share access to, 
> however, it does pop up occasionally, and this is what pushed me to actually 
> purchase parallels. I wanted to actually work, and could not do that in 
> Safari, or edge with VoiceOver on the Mac, as the table would not allow you 
> to use your VoiceOver plus up and down, left and right keys in order to 
> navigate it at all. And, disabling the ability to group tables had no impact.



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Re: Unable to read tables in Safari

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Huh.  That’s interesting. I don’t remember this happening in Monterrey, or at 
least if it did, it didn’t happen often enough for me to think it was an issue. 
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jun 25, 2023, at 9:57 AM, Brandon Olivares  
> wrote:
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> For what it’s worth, I’m still on Monterey and I could not read that table 
> either.
> 
>> On Jun 25, 2023, at 10:39 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Michael,
>> 
>> For some reason, my original reply to Michael was sent via a different 
>> address.  Here it is again.
>> 
>> Here’s an example of a page where I can’t read the table.  You have to 
>> scroll down a lot, but eventually, you get to a grid, which I presume 
>> contains a list of shows on Hulu. I cannot read anything in that grid.
>> https://reelgood.com/tv/source/hulu
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jun 24, 2023, at 5:04 PM, Michael Babcock >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> 
>>> I'll second that I have issues with tables in some instances in Safari.
>>> 
>>> It would be interesting if anyone can share some site that they experience 
>>> issues with to see if other people are, as maybe it's a configuration issue 
>>> that some of us have not made an order to navigate tables. All of the 
>>> tables I have problems with our internal tools that I cannot share access 
>>> to, however, it does pop up occasionally, and this is what pushed me to 
>>> actually purchase parallels. I wanted to actually work, and could not do 
>>> that in Safari, or edge with VoiceOver on the Mac, as the table would not 
>>> allow you to use your VoiceOver plus up and down, left and right keys in 
>>> order to navigate it at all. And, disabling the ability to group tables had 
>>> no impact.
>>  
>> 
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Re: Unable to read tables in Safari

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Brad,

That’s exactly what happens here.  But I pulled it up in Chrome on my PC, and 
could read it with no trouble.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jun 25, 2023, at 10:03 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> I visited the website you referenced, and am unable to read the table as well.
> When I navigate to the table, VoiceOver announces “grid, empty  table”.
> I am unable to interact, or navigate because apparently, VoiceOver finds no 
> content in the table.
> Obviously, the web designers have done something very strange.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 25, 2023, at 09:39, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Michael,
> 
> For some reason, my original reply to Michael was sent via a different 
> address.  Here it is again.
> 
> Here’s an example of a page where I can’t read the table.  You have to scroll 
> down a lot, but eventually, you get to a grid, which I presume contains a 
> list of shows on Hulu. I cannot read anything in that grid.
> https://reelgood.com/tv/source/hulu
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jun 24, 2023, at 5:04 PM, Michael Babcock > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> I'll second that I have issues with tables in some instances in Safari.
>> 
>> It would be interesting if anyone can share some site that they experience 
>> issues with to see if other people are, as maybe it's a configuration issue 
>> that some of us have not made an order to navigate tables. All of the tables 
>> I have problems with our internal tools that I cannot share access to, 
>> however, it does pop up occasionally, and this is what pushed me to actually 
>> purchase parallels. I wanted to actually work, and could not do that in 
>> Safari, or edge with VoiceOver on the Mac, as the table would not allow you 
>> to use your VoiceOver plus up and down, left and right keys in order to 
>> navigate it at all. And, disabling the ability to group tables had no impact.
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Re: Unable to read tables in Safari

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Interesting.I'll try it using chrome on my Mac and see what happens.- Brad -On Jun 25, 2023, at 10:27, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  wrote:Hi Brad,That’s exactly what happens here.  But I pulled it up in Chrome on my PC, and could read it with no trouble.Cheers,DonnaOn Jun 25, 2023, at 10:03 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:Hi Donna,I visited the website you referenced, and am unable to read the table as well.When I navigate to the table, VoiceOver announces “grid, empty  table”.I am unable to interact, or navigate because apparently, VoiceOver finds no content in the table.Obviously, the web designers have done something very strange.
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On Jun 25, 2023, at 09:39, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  wrote:Hi Michael,For some reason, my original reply to Michael was sent via a different address.  Here it is again.Here’s an example of a page where I can’t read the table.  You have to scroll down a lot, but eventually, you get to a grid, which I presume contains a list of shows on Hulu. I cannot read anything in that grid.https://reelgood.com/tv/source/huluCheers,DonnaOn Jun 24, 2023, at 5:04 PM, Michael Babcock  wrote:Hi Donna,I'll second that I have issues with tables in some instances in Safari.It would be interesting if anyone can share some site that they experience issues with to see if other people are, as maybe it's a configuration issue that some of us have not made an order to navigate tables. All of the tables I have problems with our internal tools that I cannot share access to, however, it does pop up occasionally, and this is what pushed me to actually purchase parallels. I wanted to actually work, and could not do that in Safari, or edge with VoiceOver on the Mac, as the table would not allow you to use your VoiceOver plus up and down, left and right keys in order to navigate it at all. And, disabling the ability to group tables had no impact.	


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Re: Unable to read tables in Safari

[Brad Snyder]

Just tried the site using Chrome on my Mac Studio, and got the same results as 
with Safari.


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On Jun 25, 2023, at 12:19, Brad Snyder  wrote:

Interesting.
I'll try it using chrome on my Mac and see what happens.

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On Jun 25, 2023, at 10:27, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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Hi Brad,

That’s exactly what happens here.  But I pulled it up in Chrome on my PC, and 
could read it with no trouble.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jun 25, 2023, at 10:03 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> I visited the website you referenced, and am unable to read the table as well.
> When I navigate to the table, VoiceOver announces “grid, empty  table”.
> I am unable to interact, or navigate because apparently, VoiceOver finds no 
> content in the table.
> Obviously, the web designers have done something very strange.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 25, 2023, at 09:39, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi Michael,
> 
> For some reason, my original reply to Michael was sent via a different 
> address.  Here it is again.
> 
> Here’s an example of a page where I can’t read the table.  You have to scroll 
> down a lot, but eventually, you get to a grid, which I presume contains a 
> list of shows on Hulu. I cannot read anything in that grid.
> https://reelgood.com/tv/source/hulu
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jun 24, 2023, at 5:04 PM, Michael Babcock > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> I'll second that I have issues with tables in some instances in Safari.
>> 
>> It would be interesting if anyone can share some site that they experience 
>> issues with to see if other people are, as maybe it's a configuration issue 
>> that some of us have not made an order to navigate tables. All of the tables 
>> I have problems with our internal tools that I cannot share access to, 
>> however, it does pop up occasionally, and this is what pushed me to actually 
>> purchase parallels. I wanted to actually work, and could not do that in 
>> Safari, or edge with VoiceOver on the Mac, as the table would not allow you 
>> to use your VoiceOver plus up and down, left and right keys in order to 
>> navigate it at all. And, disabling the ability to group tables had no impact.
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Re: Unable to read tables in Safari

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That’s what happens for me, too.  I can only view it on my PC.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jun 25, 2023, at 1:57 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> Just tried the site using Chrome on my Mac Studio, and got the same results 
> as with Safari.
> 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 25, 2023, at 12:19, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> Interesting.
> I'll try it using chrome on my Mac and see what happens.
> 
> - Brad -
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> On Jun 25, 2023, at 10:27, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi Brad,
> 
> That’s exactly what happens here.  But I pulled it up in Chrome on my PC, and 
> could read it with no trouble.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jun 25, 2023, at 10:03 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> I visited the website you referenced, and am unable to read the table as 
>> well.
>> When I navigate to the table, VoiceOver announces “grid, empty  table”.
>> I am unable to interact, or navigate because apparently, VoiceOver finds no 
>> content in the table.
>> Obviously, the web designers have done something very strange.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 25, 2023, at 09:39, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Michael,
>> 
>> For some reason, my original reply to Michael was sent via a different 
>> address.  Here it is again.
>> 
>> Here’s an example of a page where I can’t read the table.  You have to 
>> scroll down a lot, but eventually, you get to a grid, which I presume 
>> contains a list of shows on Hulu. I cannot read anything in that grid.
>> https://reelgood.com/tv/source/hulu
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jun 24, 2023, at 5:04 PM, Michael Babcock >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> 
>>> I'll second that I have issues with tables in some instances in Safari.
>>> 
>>> It would be interesting if anyone can share some site that they experience 
>>> issues with to see if other people are, as maybe it's a configuration issue 
>>> that some of us have not made an order to navigate tables. All of the 
>>> tables I have problems with our internal tools that I cannot share access 
>>> to, however, it does pop up occasionally, and this is what pushed me to 
>>> actually purchase parallels. I wanted to actually work, and could not do 
>>> that in Safari, or edge with VoiceOver on the Mac, as the table would not 
>>> allow you to use your VoiceOver plus up and down, left and right keys in 
>>> order to navigate it at all. And, disabling the ability to group tables had 
>>> no impact.
>>  
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Re: Finder issues becoming more severe

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John:  Yes, I finally contacted them, after so many times I made up excuses or 
thought maybe I had done something wrong.  I was not able to stay with them 
long enough to do the first aid, but they confirmed that something was indeed 
wrong.  Time Machine only kicked back in when I disconnected and then 
reconnected the drive, but it was supposed to be backing up all the time.  I 
had not looked lately and it had been over a month!

I will be going on a trip for almost three weeks, and this Mac is not going.  
So I will have to take care of it when I get back.  I don’t know what this 
could possibly be, if it’s a hardware problem, something corrupt, or what.  But 
I can be assured that it will not be convenient.  But on the bright side, I may 
learn more about my Mac system than I would have otherwise.  Just hope I don’t 
have to spend a lot of money!  I have always liked this M1, but it seems to be 
sick right now.




> On Jun 24, 2023, at 6:16 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
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>Have you called Apple support? It sounds like something a bit more serious 
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>> having problems with drives no matter how they are connected.  Is the Finder 
>> just not stable on these Macs?  I even plugged a little thumb drive into the 
>> USB port on my Apple keyboard.  I tried several times to copy some files and 
>> the drive disappears.  I expect it to be slow, but not to disappear.
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Hi again all,
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Re: Computer help again

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In both cases, you should be able to use the command Okees to open both the 
folders under my documents, and your PDF files.

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Reading pdf books

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Hi, all, I was able to open the PDF book in my documents. How do I jump to the 
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Re: Unable to read tables in Safari

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I wonder if it’s a graphical table rather than a plain html one? I was curious 
so I tried reader mode, it didn’t even see the table. Regular tables work just 
fine though.

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> Hi Michael,
> 
> For some reason, my original reply to Michael was sent via a different 
> address.  Here it is again.
> 
> Here’s an example of a page where I can’t read the table.  You have to scroll 
> down a lot, but eventually, you get to a grid, which I presume contains a 
> list of shows on Hulu. I cannot read anything in that grid.
> https://reelgood.com/tv/source/hulu
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jun 24, 2023, at 5:04 PM, Michael Babcock > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> I'll second that I have issues with tables in some instances in Safari.
>> 
>> It would be interesting if anyone can share some site that they experience 
>> issues with to see if other people are, as maybe it's a configuration issue 
>> that some of us have not made an order to navigate tables. All of the tables 
>> I have problems with our internal tools that I cannot share access to, 
>> however, it does pop up occasionally, and this is what pushed me to actually 
>> purchase parallels. I wanted to actually work, and could not do that in 
>> Safari, or edge with VoiceOver on the Mac, as the table would not allow you 
>> to use your VoiceOver plus up and down, left and right keys in order to 
>> navigate it at all. And, disabling the ability to group tables had no impact.
>   
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Re: Finder issues becoming more severe

['Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries]

I did not really understand the information on the Apple Support page.  I don’t 
think the problem is the drives themselves or even the hub I was using.  So 
when I get back in July, I will try to fix it over the phone with them and if 
that doesn’t work, I will take it to the store.  Sure hope I don’t have to get 
a new Mac.  This one is too new for that, being a 2020 Mac mini that I like a 
lot.  


> On Jun 24, 2023, at 9:09 PM, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> John:  Yes, I finally contacted them, after so many times I made up excuses 
> or thought maybe I had done something wrong.  I was not able to stay with 
> them long enough to do the first aid, but they confirmed that something was 
> indeed wrong.  Time Machine only kicked back in when I disconnected and then 
> reconnected the drive, but it was supposed to be backing up all the time.  I 
> had not looked lately and it had been over a month!
> 
> I will be going on a trip for almost three weeks, and this Mac is not going.  
> So I will have to take care of it when I get back.  I don’t know what this 
> could possibly be, if it’s a hardware problem, something corrupt, or what.  
> But I can be assured that it will not be convenient.  But on the bright side, 
> I may learn more about my Mac system than I would have otherwise.  Just hope 
> I don’t have to spend a lot of money!  I have always liked this M1, but it 
> seems to be sick right now.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 24, 2023, at 6:16 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>>Have you called Apple support? It sounds like something a bit more 
>> serious than a simple problem. You might want to see what they say.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
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>> 
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>>> On Jun 24, 2023, at 5:04 PM, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries 
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>>> Hello.  I had a drive or two that I thought were causing problems in the 
>>> Finder on my M1 Mac mini.  Drives were getting burned up and just not 
>>> functioning right.  I got rid of the hub.  Unfortunately, though, I am now 
>>> having problems with drives no matter how they are connected.  Is the 
>>> Finder just not stable on these Macs?  I even plugged a little thumb drive 
>>> into the USB port on my Apple keyboard.  I tried several times to copy some 
>>> files and the drive disappears.  I expect it to be slow, but not to 
>>> disappear.
>>> 
>>> Is this a known problem?  Do I need to take this Mac to the Apple Store?  
>>> Thanks for any insights into this growing problem.
>>> 
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Re: Finder issues becoming more severe

[Herbie Allen]

This is where I would go to an Apple Store andlet them run there 
diagnostic tests. I think they can do  that.


On 6/25/2023 17:32, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries wrote:
I did not really understand the information on the Apple Support page. 
 I don’t think the problem is the drives themselves or even the hub I 
was using.  So when I get back in July, I will try to fix it over the 
phone with them and if that doesn’t work, I will take it to the store. 
 Sure hope I don’t have to get a new Mac.  This one is too new for 
that, being a 2020 Mac mini that I like a lot.



On Jun 24, 2023, at 9:09 PM, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:


John:  Yes, I finally contacted them, after so many times I made up 
excuses or thought maybe I had done something wrong.  I was not able 
to stay with them long enough to do the first aid, but they confirmed 
that something was indeed wrong.  Time Machine only kicked back in 
when I disconnected and then reconnected the drive, but it was 
supposed to be backing up all the time.  I had not looked lately and 
it had been over a month!


I will be going on a trip for almost three weeks, and this Mac is not 
going.  So I will have to take care of it when I get back.  I don’t 
know what this could possibly be, if it’s a hardware problem, 
something corrupt, or what.  But I can be assured that it will not be 
convenient.  But on the bright side, I may learn more about my Mac 
system than I would have otherwise.  Just hope I don’t have to spend 
a lot of money!  I have always liked this M1, but it seems to be sick 
right now.






On Jun 24, 2023, at 6:16 PM, John Panarese  wrote:

   Have you called Apple support? It sounds like something a bit 
more serious than a simple problem. You might want to see what they 
say.



Take Care

John D. Panarese
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Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

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On Jun 24, 2023, at 5:04 PM, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:


Hello.  I had a drive or two that I thought were causing problems 
in the Finder on my M1 Mac mini.  Drives were getting burned up and 
just not functioning right.  I got rid of the hub.  Unfortunately, 
though, I am now having problems with drives no matter how they are 
connected.  Is the Finder just not stable on these Macs?  I even 
plugged a little thumb drive into the USB port on my Apple 
keyboard.  I tried several times to copy some files and the drive 
disappears.  I expect it to be slow, but not to disappear.


Is this a known problem?  Do I need to take this Mac to the Apple 
Store?  Thanks for any insights into this growing problem.




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RE: Since upgrade to Ventura, unable to read tables in Safari

[ilovecountrymusic483]

Hey,

I have not seen any problems with tables in safari at least with basic ones.  I 
have not seen any complecs tables enough to really test how they work.  

Michiel, how did you get the paroles to work with vo?  Just wondered as I last 
heard it was not accessible and the developpers had not plans to make it so.  
Thanks.

Matthew



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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2023 6:05 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Since upgrade to Ventura, unable to read tables in Safari

Hi Donna,

I'll second that I have issues with tables in some instances in Safari.

It would be interesting if anyone can share some site that they experience 
issues with to see if other people are, as maybe it's a configuration issue 
that some of us have not made an order to navigate tables. All of the tables I 
have problems with our internal tools that I cannot share access to, however, 
it does pop up occasionally, and this is what pushed me to actually purchase 
parallels. I wanted to actually work, and could not do that in Safari, or edge 
with VoiceOver on the Mac, as the table would not allow you to use your 
VoiceOver plus up and down, left and right keys in order to navigate it at all. 
And, disabling the ability to group tables had no impact.

> On Jun 24, 2023, at 1:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Joseph,
> 
> Well, I’m glad I’m not the only one, I guess.  For me it’s a little 
> different. I interact with the table, but can’t read any of the columns.
> 
> I agree with you about the Safari busy thing.  That's sooo 
> annoying!!! For a while now, I’ve kept a Mac and a Pc. I was really hoping 
> the day was coming when I could ditch the PC, but it doesn’t sound like 
> that’s going to happen any time soon.  It seems to me that Apple’s putting 
> all of its energy into new products, when they ought to be working on 
> tightening up the existing ones.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jun 24, 2023, at 10:16 AM, joseph hodge  wrote:
>> 
>> I’m actually having problems too. Usually what tends to happen is I can read 
>> it sometimes but then if I go right then move left on a particular row, it 
>> will completely mess up! From what I can see it tends to be a Safari thing 
>> I’ve used edge and it seems to be a bit better there although sometimes it 
>> still happens! It’s really annoying and actually has me Considering selling 
>> my Mac. The Safari busy and now this really has me contemplating whether or 
>> not this machine is worth the money.  The only thing kind of keeping me from 
>> doing this is I just don’t like how Windows works either. That being said, 
>> at least I can read tables and browse the web fairly easy!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 24, 2023, at 10:17 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I agree. 
>>> 
 On Jun 24, 2023, at 06:27, Brad Snyder  wrote:
 
 I've been using Ventura on two different machines since October, and have 
 not noticed any issue with tables in safari webpages. The behavior seems  
 consistent with previous versions of safari and the macOS.
 
 - Brad -
 
 On Jun 24, 2023, at 07:49, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Subject says it all.  Since upgrading to Ventura, I find that very often I 
 am unable to read the content of tables in Safari.  Is there some trick to 
 this that I don’t know about?  If not, that is a huge miss by Apple.  
 There are lots of websites that use tables.  If there is, I’d appreciate 
 any help.
 TIA,
 Donna
 
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Re: Reading pdf books

[Phil Halton]

You didn’t say what app you are using to read the PDF. Personally, I always use 
voice dream reader for all my reading. It seems to be the best most accessible 
interface for reading most types of documents.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Jun 25, 2023, at 6:18 PM, Rebecca Sabo  wrote:
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> Hi, all, I was able to open the PDF book in my documents. How do I jump to 
> the chapters instead of reading every single thing in the book thanks again.
> 
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Re: Since upgrade to Ventura, unable to read tables in Safari

[Michael Babcock]

Hi Matthew,

Oh, I used a tool called VOCR to be able to read the set up screens, once I'm 
in windows, I just use windows command.

Hope that helps! Here's a link too. VOCR.


https://github.com/chigkim/VOCR
chigkim/VOCR
github.com


> On Jun 25, 2023, at 6:33 PM, ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Hey,
> 
> I have not seen any problems with tables in safari at least with basic ones.  
> I have not seen any complecs tables enough to really test how they work.  
> 
> Michiel, how did you get the paroles to work with vo?  Just wondered as I 
> last heard it was not accessible and the developpers had not plans to make it 
> so.  Thanks.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> Matthew Dyer
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> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Michael Babcock
> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2023 6:05 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Since upgrade to Ventura, unable to read tables in Safari
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> I'll second that I have issues with tables in some instances in Safari.
> 
> It would be interesting if anyone can share some site that they experience 
> issues with to see if other people are, as maybe it's a configuration issue 
> that some of us have not made an order to navigate tables. All of the tables 
> I have problems with our internal tools that I cannot share access to, 
> however, it does pop up occasionally, and this is what pushed me to actually 
> purchase parallels. I wanted to actually work, and could not do that in 
> Safari, or edge with VoiceOver on the Mac, as the table would not allow you 
> to use your VoiceOver plus up and down, left and right keys in order to 
> navigate it at all. And, disabling the ability to group tables had no impact.
> 
>> On Jun 24, 2023, at 1:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Joseph,
>> 
>> Well, I’m glad I’m not the only one, I guess.  For me it’s a little 
>> different. I interact with the table, but can’t read any of the columns.
>> 
>> I agree with you about the Safari busy thing.  That's sooo 
>> annoying!!! For a while now, I’ve kept a Mac and a Pc. I was really hoping 
>> the day was coming when I could ditch the PC, but it doesn’t sound like 
>> that’s going to happen any time soon.  It seems to me that Apple’s putting 
>> all of its energy into new products, when they ought to be working on 
>> tightening up the existing ones.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jun 24, 2023, at 10:16 AM, joseph hodge  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’m actually having problems too. Usually what tends to happen is I can 
>>> read it sometimes but then if I go right then move left on a particular 
>>> row, it will completely mess up! From what I can see it tends to be a 
>>> Safari thing I’ve used edge and it seems to be a bit better there although 
>>> sometimes it still happens! It’s really annoying and actually has me 
>>> Considering selling my Mac. The Safari busy and now this really has me 
>>> contemplating whether or not this machine is worth the money.  The only 
>>> thing kind of keeping me from doing this is I just don’t like how Windows 
>>> works either. That being said, at least I can read tables and browse the 
>>> web fairly easy!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 24, 2023, at 10:17 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
 
 I agree. 
 
> On Jun 24, 2023, at 06:27, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I've been using Ventura on two different machines since October, and have 
> not noticed any issue with tables in safari webpages. The behavior seems  
> consistent with previous versions of safari and the macOS.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Jun 24, 2023, at 07:49, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Subject says it all.  Since upgrading to Ventura, I find that very often 
> I am unable to read the content of tables in Safari.  Is there some trick 
> to this that I don’t know about?  If not, that is a huge miss by Apple.  
> There are lots of websites that use tables.  If there is, I’d appreciate 
> any help.
> TIA,
> Donna
> 
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Re: Finder issues becoming more severe

[lenron brown]

this has happened to me running the latest operating system, on my MBP
2023. I ended up having to restart my computer to fix this everytime.
Have not tried that ssd in a few weeks though.

On 6/25/23, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> This is where I would go to an Apple Store andlet them run there
> diagnostic tests. I think they can do  that.
>
> On 6/25/2023 17:32, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> I did not really understand the information on the Apple Support page.
>>  I don’t think the problem is the drives themselves or even the hub I
>> was using.  So when I get back in July, I will try to fix it over the
>> phone with them and if that doesn’t work, I will take it to the store.
>>  Sure hope I don’t have to get a new Mac.  This one is too new for
>> that, being a 2020 Mac mini that I like a lot.
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 24, 2023, at 9:09 PM, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> John:  Yes, I finally contacted them, after so many times I made up
>>> excuses or thought maybe I had done something wrong.  I was not able
>>> to stay with them long enough to do the first aid, but they confirmed
>>> that something was indeed wrong.  Time Machine only kicked back in
>>> when I disconnected and then reconnected the drive, but it was
>>> supposed to be backing up all the time.  I had not looked lately and
>>> it had been over a month!
>>>
>>> I will be going on a trip for almost three weeks, and this Mac is not
>>> going.  So I will have to take care of it when I get back.  I don’t
>>> know what this could possibly be, if it’s a hardware problem,
>>> something corrupt, or what.  But I can be assured that it will not be
>>> convenient.  But on the bright side, I may learn more about my Mac
>>> system than I would have otherwise.  Just hope I don’t have to spend
>>> a lot of money!  I have always liked this M1, but it seems to be sick
>>> right now.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
 On Jun 24, 2023, at 6:16 PM, John Panarese  wrote:

    Have you called Apple support? It sounds like something a bit
 more serious than a simple problem. You might want to see what they
 say.


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> On Jun 24, 2023, at 5:04 PM, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries
>  wrote:
>
> Hello.  I had a drive or two that I thought were causing problems
> in the Finder on my M1 Mac mini.  Drives were getting burned up and
> just not functioning right.  I got rid of the hub.  Unfortunately,
> though, I am now having problems with drives no matter how they are
> connected.  Is the Finder just not stable on these Macs?  I even
> plugged a little thumb drive into the USB port on my Apple
> keyboard.  I tried several times to copy some files and the drive
> disappears.  I expect it to be slow, but not to disappear.
>
> Is this a known problem?  Do I need to take this Mac to the Apple
> Store?  Thanks for any insights into this growing problem.
>
>
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