RE: Be My Eyes and Aira

['Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries]

Aira's new Web-based application can be used on the Mac with VoiceOver, but 
Safari isn't supported - you need to use Google Chrome instead, or possibly 
Mozilla Firefox. They also have an iOS app, of course. The Web version offers 
audio, video and screen sharing.

-Original Message-
From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Wednesday, 1 February 2023 21:05
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Subject: Re: Be My Eyes and Aira

Could sure use some input on this. :)

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution 
inevitable."
  --John F. Kennedy
My e-Mail:
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On 1/31/2023 12:00 PM, etscrivani via MacVisionaries wrote:
> I believe Aira says they are able to help in performing/reading a covid 
> at-home test. While I have the basic level plan that is the least expensive I 
> have not had to use them for testing. It's good to have for emergencies when 
> a sighted person is not around.
> 
> Eileen
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2023 2:07 PM
> To: MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Be My Eyes and Aira
> 
> Hello all,
>  while talking with someone about using the COVID home tests, I got to 
> wondering if either of the above mentioned services and assist with setting 
> up and reading the test results. Comments?
> 
>  I have not used either service so would like feedback on them, of either 
> is better or if both have value. and how much they cost. Thanks very much.
> 
>   From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution 
> inevitable."
>--John F. Kennedy
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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Re: Mac OS radio app keyboard shortcuts

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Traci,

It is available in the App Store—I have it on my phone, but not on my Mac.  
Instead of searching Tunein, search for Tune In.
Best,
Donna


> On Jan 31, 2023, at 10:13 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
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> Hi, I am not finding Tunein on the Mac App Store. Is it an app I buy on 
> Safari?
> 
> 
>> On Jan 30, 2023, at 12:20 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> Tunein works with Mac. It is a Mac App.
>> 
>>> On Jan 30, 2023, at 12:44, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all, do you have a Mac radio app recommendation with good keyboard 
>>> support? Play/pause, volume control, favorite station etc. 
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Traci 
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Re: Disappearing External Drive and Finder issue: A Complete List of VoiceOver Keyboard Shortcuts Available on macOS

[lenron brown]

Thanks for sharing this now to pop this into a txt file for later.
This will help so so much. I have a long way to go but at least this
puts me on the right path.

On 2/2/23, Fazil M.  wrote:
>
> A Complete List of VoiceOver Keyboard Shortcuts Available on macOS
>
>
>
>
> Skip to main content
> 
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> Main menu
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> * Apps 
> * Forum 
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> A Complete List of VoiceOver Keyboard Shortcuts Available on macOS
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> Submitted by Nicholas on Saturday, January 2, 2021.
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> Last modified
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> Thursday, October 28, 2021
>
>
>
> Compiled below is a rearrangement of Apple’s published VoiceOver key
> commands charts, edited/confirmed for macOS Monterey.
>
> Editor’s note: VO Key Commands are arranged by Levels. Press and hold the
> keys below while typing any other key.
>
> Level One: Press Control-Option.
>
> Level Two: Press Control-Option-Shift.
>
> Level Three: Press Control-Option-Command.
>
> Level Four: Press Control-Option-Command-Shift.
>
> A “Combined Listing” has been provided at the end of this document. This
> offers an arrangement by keypress, with all Control keys and notes included,
> per key.
>
> Except for the Combined List which is my own arrangement, all information is
> presented as true as possible to Apple’s original materials.
>
> -End of Editor’s note.
>
> All information provided is copyright Apple, Inc. All rights reserved.
>
>
> Level One. With VO keys (Control-Option) pressed
>
>
> Function Keys Row (laptops may include fn key)
>
>
> Esc, cancel mode.
>
> f1, application summary (Note, press twice to open the Application
> Chooser).
>
> f2, window summary (Note, press twice to open the Window Chooser).
>
> f3, describe item in VoiceOver cursor.
>
> f4, describe item in keyboard focus.
>
> f5, describe item in mouse pointer (Note, press two or three times to hear
> the mouse location differently).
>
> f6, describe selected item.
>
> f7, not mapped.
>
> f8, VoiceOver Utility.
>
> f9, not mapped.
>
> f10, tile visuals.
>
> f11, not mapped.
>
> f12, not mapped.
>
>
> Number Keys Row
>
>
> Accent, start moving window, (Esc to stop).
>
> 1 through 0, jump to Hot Spot.
>
> (dash/minus), decrease system volume.
>
> = (equals), increase system volume.
>
> Delete, delete ruler marker (in TextEdit).
>
>
> Tab Key Row
>
>
> Tab, ignore next key press.
>
> q, toggle single-key Quick Nav.
>
> w, read word (Note, press two or three times to spell a word in different
> ways).
>
> e, not mapped.
>
> r, read row header description (Note, press twice to read the contents of a
> table row from the VoiceOver cursor to the end of the row).
>
> t, text attributes.
>
> y, not mapped.
>
> u, VoiceOver Rotor.
>
> i, Item Chooser.
>
> o, open Notification Center.
>
> p, read paragraph.
>
> [ (left bracket), move to previous Hot Spot.
>
> ] (right bracket), move to next Hot Spot.
>
> \ (backslash), open or close disclosure triangle.
>
>
> Caps Lock Key Row
>
>
> caps lock, pressed can be substitute for VO keys.
>
> a, read all. Reads contents of VO cursor (Note, when interacting with text,
> reads from the VoiceOver cursor to bottom of text).
>
> s, read current sentence.
>
> d, go to Dock.
>
> f, find text.
>
> g, find next searched text.
>
> h, VoiceOver help menu (Note, press twice to open the Commands menu).
>
> j, jump to linked item.
>
> k, Live keyboard help (practice).
>
> l, read line.
>
> ; (semi-colon), lock or unlock VoiceOver keys.
>
> ’ (apostrophe), not mapped.
>
> Return, When in text area, start selection mode, press again to stop
> selecting.
>
>
> Shift Key Row
>
>
> z, read last phrase.
>
> x, Activity Chooser (Note, press twice to switch to the previous activity).
>
> c, read character or column header (Note, press twice to; in text - hear
> character phonetically. in tables - hear the contents of a column from the
> VoiceOver cursor to the bottom of the column).
>
> v, verbosity rotor.
>
> b, read from top to VoiceOver cursor.
>
> n, open Notifications menu with list of current Notifications (Note, press
> twice to open announcements menu with list of Voiceover announcements).
>
> m, menu bar (Note, press twice to jump to the status menu in the menu bar).
>
> , (comma), mark item to drag and drop.
>
> . (period), drop item on VoiceOver cursor.
>
> / (slash), create custom label.
>
>
> Control Key Row
>
>
> Spacebar, perform default action for selected

Re: Accessible Whatsapp Client

[Herbie Allen]

Where I am struggling is the QR code. Does it use the front camera or the back? 
Does it matter when pointing the phone at the screen if VO is on or off? I got 
it to work once a long time ago, but it did not like me yesterday.

> On Feb 1, 2023, at 14:22, Lucas Gil Nadolskis  wrote:
> 
> If you click the link that is on the email it will bring you to an article.
> On that you just use voice over to find the official whatsapp website.
> Then search for mac OS beta version, and the link is there.
> Let me know if you can’t find it.
>  
> Thanks.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Mohammad Fazil
> Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2023 3:18 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Accessible Whatsapp Client
>  
> Hello!
>  
> I have missed the download link, could someone, please, send me the download 
> link?
> Thanks!
> 
> 
>> On Feb 1, 2023, at 11:57 AM, Lucas Gil Nadolskis > > wrote:
>>  
>> Hello Shawn.
>> It really works well.
>> Thank you very much for sharing this.
>>  
>> Kind regards.
>>  
>> Lucas Nadolskis.
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 1, 2023, at 12:58 AM, bbsshawn via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hey all. If you're still looking for an accessible Whatsapp client, I have 
>>> good news for you. The developers of Whatsapp have made a catalist version 
>>> of the client that is supposed to mimic what you see on your phone. I've 
>>> been testing it out for the past week and it's very accessible. And yes, 
>>> for Intel users, it works very well here too. You can read more about it 
>>> and download the client by going to this article.
>>> 
>>> WhatsApp’s new native Mac app is now in open beta 
>>> 
>>> theverge.com 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Regards,
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent from my Macbook Air
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>>> Matters, Tech Zone and so much more, email me your mobile phone number and 
>>> I will add you.
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Re: Accessible Whatsapp Client

[Lucas Gil Nadolskis]

Back camera, I did with vo on.I just loosely pointed the camera to the screen, and he worked fine On Feb 2, 2023, at 9:23 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:Where I am struggling is the QR code. Does it use the front camera or the back? Does it matter when pointing the phone at the screen if VO is on or off? I got it to work once a long time ago, but it did not like me yesterday.On Feb 1, 2023, at 14:22, Lucas Gil Nadolskis  wrote:If you click the link that is on the email it will bring you to an article.On that you just use voice over to find the official whatsapp website.Then search for mac OS beta version, and the link is there.Let me know if you can’t find it. Thanks.  From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mohammad FazilSent: Wednesday, February 1, 2023 3:18 PMTo: macvisionaries@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Accessible Whatsapp Client Hello!  I have missed the download link, could someone, please, send me the download link?Thanks!On Feb 1, 2023, at 11:57 AM, Lucas Gil Nadolskis  wrote: Hello Shawn. It really works well.Thank you very much for sharing this. Kind regards. Lucas Nadolskis. On Feb 1, 2023, at 12:58 AM, bbsshawn via MacVisionaries  wrote: Hey all. If you're still looking for an accessible Whatsapp client, I have good news for you. The developers of Whatsapp have made a catalist version of the client that is supposed to mimic what you see on your phone. I've been testing it out for the past week and it's very accessible. And yes, for Intel users, it works very well here too. You can read more about it and download the client by going to this article. WhatsApp’s new native Mac app is now in open betatheverge.com Regards,ShawnSent from my Macbook AirTo join my Whatsapp groups like Mac Users and Newbies, Accessibility Matters, Tech Zone and so much more, email me your mobile phone number and I will add you.Mastodon: bbsshawnontwitch@disabled.socialFollow me on Facebook by searching Shawn Krasniuk  -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/73F537F5-E218-4B2C-AA57-99AA15D583D3%40icloud.com.  -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/436E8024-69FE-4A3D-BFC9-865B6505037A%40cmu.edu. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/F92DA3B3-ED82-487B-B545-69DD9E0786B2%40outlook.com.

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Re: Accessible Whatsapp Client

[Lucas Gil Nadolskis]

One advice.
Make sure the screen curtain if off.
I know it is a basic idea, but I just struggled a bit and when I checked my 
screen curtain was on.
Th

> On Feb 2, 2023, at 8:56 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> Where I am struggling is the QR code. Does it use the front camera or the 
> back? Does it matter when pointing the phone at the screen if VO is on or 
> off? I got it to work once a long time ago, but it did not like me yesterday.
> 
>> On Feb 1, 2023, at 14:22, Lucas Gil Nadolskis > > wrote:
>> 
>> If you click the link that is on the email it will bring you to an article.
>> On that you just use voice over to find the official whatsapp website.
>> Then search for mac OS beta version, and the link is there.
>> Let me know if you can’t find it.
>>  
>> Thanks.
>>  
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  > > On Behalf Of Mohammad Fazil
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2023 3:18 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Accessible Whatsapp Client
>>  
>> Hello! 
>>  
>> I have missed the download link, could someone, please, send me the download 
>> link?
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 1, 2023, at 11:57 AM, Lucas Gil Nadolskis >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hello Shawn. 
>>> It really works well.
>>> Thank you very much for sharing this.
>>>  
>>> Kind regards.
>>>  
>>> Lucas Nadolskis.
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 1, 2023, at 12:58 AM, bbsshawn via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
  
 Hey all. If you're still looking for an accessible Whatsapp client, I have 
 good news for you. The developers of Whatsapp have made a catalist version 
 of the client that is supposed to mimic what you see on your phone. I've 
 been testing it out for the past week and it's very accessible. And yes, 
 for Intel users, it works very well here too. You can read more about it 
 and download the client by going to this article. 
 
 WhatsApp’s new native Mac app is now in open beta 
 
 theverge.com 
 
  
 Regards,
 Shawn
 Sent from my Macbook Air
 To join my Whatsapp groups like Mac Users and Newbies, Accessibility 
 Matters, Tech Zone and so much more, email me your mobile phone number and 
 I will add you.
 Mastodon: bbsshawnontwitch@disabled.social 
 
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[Karen Lewellen]

either the Linkedin accessibility help desk, or the Microsoft one via 
phone lately?
be my eyes is firmly not an option here, with that being referenced for 
Linkedin.   It is possible I have the wrong Microsoft number, it 
references accessibility, but does not reach a human.

Thanks,
Kare

Re: Disappearing External Drive and Finder issue

[Bradford Snyder]

Make sure it is a “powered” hub.
Most external drives require more power than can be provided by a passive, 
non-powered hub.


- Brad -



On Feb 1, 2023, at 18:54, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

I am a little afraid it’s the hub I am using. When it happens, I can’t force 
quit. I can’t get to the menu bar either. It really stops almost everything 
except for apps like Mail and Safari. I have to open a Mail or Safari to get to 
the Apple menu.

Mary Ward

On Feb 1, 2023, at 5:34 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
Thanks for that command Brad.
I haven’t noticed that before.
Bless!
/A

> 1 feb. 2023 kl. 23:01 skrev Bradford Snyder :
> 
> The keyboard command CMD + OPT + Escape, will open the Force Quit dialog.
> Using CMD + OPT + Shift + Escape, will Force Quit the current app, or restart 
> Finder without opening the Force Quit dialog.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
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> 
> 
> On Feb 1, 2023, at 15:33, Kaare Dehard  wrote:
> 
> There is an issue with finder on and off in Ventura. If it gives the no 
> window message cmd-option-escape will allow you to re-launch the finder and 
> may solve the concern.
> 
> 
>> On Feb 1, 2023, at 4:31 PM, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks.  This is not an older Mac, it’s a 2020 M1.  SO I guess I will 
>> disconnect all the external drives, all three of them, and restart.  I 
>> neglected to say that when the Finder stops working, I have to open a 
>> program like Mail to shut down the computer at all, and it might take it 
>> several minutes to do it.  
>> 
>> I just disconnected all the external drives, I have three, and I hope I 
>> don’t lose them all as one of them is my Time Machine backup.  The Mac 
>> turned on very quickly.  SO Now I guess I will start trying to reconnect 
>> these things.  What fun.  
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 1, 2023, at 3:19 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> There could be a number of things. The age of your Mac, the cord, or the 
>>> drive itself. If yours is an older Mac though, that is most likely the 
>>> issue. Restart your mac and then plug in the drive. When you open it, give 
>>> the drive a couple minutes to load. There could also be a formatting issue.
>>> 
 On Feb 1, 2023, at 15:13, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hello.  I bought a nice big hard disc to store books, movies, and music 
 on.  It is connected to my Mac mini via a cable.  I got messages saying 
 that it had not been ejected properly, though, of course, it had not been 
 ejected at all.  If I try to go to my external drives, the finder just 
 stops working altogether.  SO right now, I am running first aid on the one 
 of them that I can see.  But is there anything else I can do besides 
 either give up or call AppleCare?  By the way, when the Finder stops 
 working, I can’t open files from anywhere and apps like TextEdit won’t 
 launch either, though Mail and Safari still work.  Does this necessarily 
 mean that the external disc is corrupted?  Do I need to go further than 
 just the Disc Utility?  Thanks for any guidance.
 
 My poor, ailing Mac!
 
 
 
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Searching for Street Address in Email Message?

[Fazil M.]

Hi, Group.

I have up-to-date Ventura with MacbookPro2017.

In my Inbox, I have 400 email messages. One of these emails has the street
address I am looking for.

If I press VO-f and type W Broadway here and hit enter, would Voiceover
bring the address?

If yes, how can I read my results, please?

Thanks!

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Re: Duplicate Music playlist

[Gerry Cook]

Hi tracy from what i can gather whenever you open a music file it’s been the 
behaviour since iTunes if you have one or,  two tracks on different albums like 
best of or compilations.  There use to be a setting under advanced called 
automatically add to iTunes to untick/uncheck but since music i’ve been unable 
to,  find it  so someone might correct me if i’m wrong!  thanks. 
cheers gerry have a nice day.  email gerrycoo...@gmail.com.  

> On 2 Feb 2023, at 3:38 pm, Traci Duncan  wrote:
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> Hi all, there is this annoyance in music where several playlists are being 
> duplicated. Say I have dinner jazz, then music creates dinner jazz1. There 
> doesn’t seem to be any rhyme or reason. It’s happened to half a dozen or more.
> 
> Any ideas why this is happening or how I can prevent it. I really dislike the 
> Mac OS music app.
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> Thanks,
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