Re: Advice needed

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi KerryAnn,

I’m unable to duplicate these issues, at least the mail issues.  I’m typing on 
my Mantis now, and it is paired with my iPad.  Tab and Shift-Tab move through 
the message fields.  One thing to remember is that when typing in a text field, 
you need to have Quicknav on. then, when you want to move around out of that 
field, you need to turn Quicknav back off.  It’s a little bit of a hassle, but 
like I said, the iPad is less efficient than the Mac.  By that I mean that it 
takes more keystrokes to accomplish a task in many situations.  I agree that 
navigating to the send button is kind of slippy.  That’s one of those instances 
where I just reach over and tap that area of the iPad.  That will 
autoomatically move focus to that area.

I’ve never tried to create an agenda in Pages, so I can’t help you with that.
Best,
Donna


Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 22, 2022, at 9:28 AM, Kerryann F. Ifill  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> HI again,
> 
> I'll try to explain.
> 
> I have an email to send, I go to compose (this is on the ipad).
> I cannot navigate around the various areas. I can input the body, but its a 
> pain to locate the "to filed. If I get that done, editing the subject is 
> another stres. and then locating the sned button.
> I know where all these things are supposed ot be and I'm very good wiht tech, 
> but the ipad is really driving me crazy.
> In pages, I was trying to write an agenda and number the items. I listed them 
> but I cant seem to navigate by line.
> I selected all the items, but when I go to formatting, I can't get the 
> numbering to work.
> Its a series of issues like these that are not functioing in the way I expect 
> from suing ht emac and hte iphone. I had an ipad eons ago and I don't recall 
> having these kinds of issues.
> 
> Any advice?
> 
> Regards
> Kerryann Ifill 
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Re: Advice needed

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

No, not sure why this doesn’t work, but it doesn’t.  I press Ctrl up arrow to 
jum to the top of the scrreen, and then click the All Inboxes button.  Then 
arrow over to the message list.  Like I said, it works, but it’s less efficient.
Cheers,
Donna

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> On Aug 20, 2022, at 1:10 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> K don’t have an iPad, but I’m curious as to whether a Keyboard user could 
> use VO J to navigate through containers on an iPad? 
> 
>> On Aug 20, 2022, at 12:37, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi KerryAnn,
>> 
>> Mail is definitely one of those things that’s more efficient on the Mac.  
>> Remember that the iPad uses containers, so you’ll have one thing, for 
>> example your message list, in one, and then the currently open message in 
>> another.  Honestly, when I’m working in Mail, I often use a combination of 
>> the keyboard and just touching the screen if I want to move quickly from one 
>> container to another.
>> 
>> I hope that helps.  If you want to let us know specifically what your 
>> problems are in Mail and Pages, we can probably help you a little better.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Aug 20, 2022, at 11:51 AM, Kerryann Ifill  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi thank so much! i have a brailliant 20 and a focus 40. i also purchased 
>>> the apple smart keyboard.
>>> My chief challenge is using the mail app, mastering that is driving me up 
>>> the creek in sane. 
>>> I'll give it a further look through and thanks!
>>> Pages is another area of concern.
>>> Will keep you posted.
>>> Thanks again 
>>> 
>>> Kerryann F. Ifill 
>>> 
> On 20 Aug 2022, at 10:57 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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 Hi KerryAnn,
 
 If you are thinking your iPad will replace your Mac, I assume you’re 
 thinking you’ll use it with an external keyboard?  Here is a link to some 
 info about that:
 https://support.apple.com/guide/ipad/use-voiceover-with-an-apple-external-keyboard-ipad9a246749/ipados
 
 Keep in mind, though, that there’s a fair amount of variation among 
 different keyboards, so commands and options may vary, depending on your 
 keyboard.  If you are a braille user, I highly recommend the Mantis from 
 APH as a good qwerty keyboard/display combo.  If you prefer Perkins style 
 input, here is an AppleVis link discussing that:
 https://www.applevis.com/guides/using-braille-display-ios-introduction   
 I also think that Kliph, who is on this list, has some resources for that, 
 so hopefully he can respond to your question, too.  If none of this 
 information is what you’re looking for, you might give us more details 
 about what you are having trouble with.
 
 FWIW, I have both an iPad and a MacBook Air.  I love my iPad, and I use it 
 a lot.  But I find the Mac to be far more efficient.  I can generally get 
 things done more quickly and easily on the Mac.  Personally, and of course 
 this is subjective, if I had to choose one or the other, I’d choose the 
 Mac.
 Good luck,
 Donna
 
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> Hello all,
> 
> I've recently had to retire my mac from active service and in the interim 
> i'm trying ot decide betwee getting a new mac or an ipad.  I am currently 
> using an ipad for a few months and i'm struggling badly with a few 
> aspects.
> Does anyone know where I can find an up to date training manual/guide for 
> using th eipad with voiceover?
> 
> Thanks loads for any advice.
> 
> Regards
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Re: Advice needed

[Kerryann F. Ifill]

>
>
> Thanks everyone for all the suggestions; they are helping. Not quite
> getting everything sorted but i'm encouraged that its possible.Here are a
> few other issues:

1. HOw can I bring up the event details in the calendar app? I can create
the event, and I'm loving adding the zoom link directly. I'm adding
agenda/other documents to the aevent. Issue: when I return to the app
later, I can't locate the event details section. Any ideas what step i'm
missing? I locate hte event in the list, I double tap, but the event
details don't present themselves.

2. In pages, its not so much the "genda" that was the issue. I was trying
to number a list o fitems, but when I tap on formatting and so on, the
numbering option delted the text not add numbering.

3. I must admit I don't use quicknave much, but will incorporate going
forward. the issue is though, that pressing left and right arrow
simulatneously does not appear to do anything.  but will try again.

Thanks much
Regards
Kerryann Ifill

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Re: Advice needed

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi KerryAnn,

Re Quicknav, I don’t use it on the Mac, either, but it’s absolutely essential 
for working on the iPad.  After you press the left and right arrows, you will 
know that it’s activated because you will hear a little upward trill.  You’ll 
hear a downward trill when you deactivate it.
HTH,
Donna

> On Aug 23, 2022, at 9:42 AM, Kerryann F. Ifill  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks everyone for all the suggestions; they are helping. Not quite getting 
> everything sorted but i'm encouraged that its possible.Here are a few other 
> issues:
> 1. HOw can I bring up the event details in the calendar app? I can create the 
> event, and I'm loving adding the zoom link directly. I'm adding agenda/other 
> documents to the aevent. Issue: when I return to the app later, I can't 
> locate the event details section. Any ideas what step i'm missing? I locate 
> hte event in the list, I double tap, but the event details don't present 
> themselves.
> 
> 2. In pages, its not so much the "genda" that was the issue. I was trying to 
> number a list o fitems, but when I tap on formatting and so on, the numbering 
> option delted the text not add numbering.
> 
> 3. I must admit I don't use quicknave much, but will incorporate going 
> forward. the issue is though, that pressing left and right arrow 
> simulatneously does not appear to do anything.  but will try again.
> 
> Thanks much
> Regards
> Kerryann Ifill
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Re: Advice needed

[Kerryann F. Ifill]

Thanks donna,

I have my sound effects off so will turn them on till I get comfortable.
But that brings me to hopefully my final issue for today (smile).
Voiceover - neither on the iphone or ipad - announces caps.

any ideas?

Regards

On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 10:47 AM 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries <
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hi KerryAnn,
>
> Re Quicknav, I don’t use it on the Mac, either, but it’s absolutely
> essential for working on the iPad.  After you press the left and right
> arrows, you will know that it’s activated because you will hear a little
> upward trill.  You’ll hear a downward trill when you deactivate it.
> HTH,
> Donna
>
> On Aug 23, 2022, at 9:42 AM, Kerryann F. Ifill 
> wrote:
>
>
>> Thanks everyone for all the suggestions; they are helping. Not quite
>> getting everything sorted but i'm encouraged that its possible.Here are a
>> few other issues:
>
> 1. HOw can I bring up the event details in the calendar app? I can create
> the event, and I'm loving adding the zoom link directly. I'm adding
> agenda/other documents to the aevent. Issue: when I return to the app
> later, I can't locate the event details section. Any ideas what step i'm
> missing? I locate hte event in the list, I double tap, but the event
> details don't present themselves.
>
> 2. In pages, its not so much the "genda" that was the issue. I was trying
> to number a list o fitems, but when I tap on formatting and so on, the
> numbering option delted the text not add numbering.
>
> 3. I must admit I don't use quicknave much, but will incorporate going
> forward. the issue is though, that pressing left and right arrow
> simulatneously does not appear to do anything.  but will try again.
>
> Thanks much
> Regards
> Kerryann Ifill
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Re: Advice needed

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Yes.  In VO settings, on both devices, there is a setting for how you want VO 
to indicate Caps.  I have mine set to use pitch, so Capital letters are spoken 
at a higher pitch.  I think the other options are play sound and speak Cap.  
That setting is under Accessibility, Voiceover, verbosity.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Aug 23, 2022, at 9:59 AM, Kerryann F. Ifill  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks donna,
> 
> I have my sound effects off so will turn them on till I get comfortable.
> But that brings me to hopefully my final issue for today (smile).
> Voiceover - neither on the iphone or ipad - announces caps.
> 
> any ideas?
> 
> Regards
> 
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 10:47 AM 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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> Hi KerryAnn,
> 
> Re Quicknav, I don’t use it on the Mac, either, but it’s absolutely essential 
> for working on the iPad.  After you press the left and right arrows, you will 
> know that it’s activated because you will hear a little upward trill.  You’ll 
> hear a downward trill when you deactivate it.
> HTH,
> Donna
> 
>> On Aug 23, 2022, at 9:42 AM, Kerryann F. Ifill > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks everyone for all the suggestions; they are helping. Not quite getting 
>> everything sorted but i'm encouraged that its possible.Here are a few other 
>> issues:
>> 1. HOw can I bring up the event details in the calendar app? I can create 
>> the event, and I'm loving adding the zoom link directly. I'm adding 
>> agenda/other documents to the aevent. Issue: when I return to the app later, 
>> I can't locate the event details section. Any ideas what step i'm missing? I 
>> locate hte event in the list, I double tap, but the event details don't 
>> present themselves.
>> 
>> 2. In pages, its not so much the "genda" that was the issue. I was trying to 
>> number a list o fitems, but when I tap on formatting and so on, the 
>> numbering option delted the text not add numbering.
>> 
>> 3. I must admit I don't use quicknave much, but will incorporate going 
>> forward. the issue is though, that pressing left and right arrow 
>> simulatneously does not appear to do anything.  but will try again.
>> 
>> Thanks much
>> Regards
>> Kerryann Ifill
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Smart Cooking Thermometer

[N2KPV]

I wonder if anyone has a suggestion  For a cooking thermometer that works 
with the iPhone  or Mac .   I currently have one called the iGrill which 
has changed its name to the Wever iGrill .  It is about 8 years old and is 
giving out the wrong temps lately .   Anyone have one they can suggest to 
replace this one ? 

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Re: Smart Cooking Thermometer

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Hi,
I have an iGril about 18 months old that works perfectly.
Max.

> On 24 Aug 2022, at 2:55 am, N2KPV  wrote:
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> I wonder if anyone has a suggestion  For a cooking thermometer that works 
> with the iPhone  or Mac .   I currently have one called the iGrill which has 
> changed its name to the Wever iGrill .  It is about 8 years old and is giving 
> out the wrong temps lately .   Anyone have one they can suggest to replace 
> this one ? 
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Re: Smart Cooking Thermometer

[Ben Constantini]

Hi,  Mine has been off by about 50 degrees for about a week now . I pretty much 
use it every day . I will probably replace it with another  iGrill . It is 
about 8 years old like I said .

Thanx,
Ben Constantini
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> On Aug 23, 2022, at 6:27 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
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> I have an iGril about 18 months old that works perfectly.
> Max.
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>> On 24 Aug 2022, at 2:55 am, N2KPV > > wrote:
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>> with the iPhone  or Mac .   I currently have one called the iGrill which has 
>> changed its name to the Wever iGrill .  It is about 8 years old and is 
>> giving out the wrong temps lately .   Anyone have one they can suggest to 
>> replace this one ? 
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>> Thanx in advace .
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Re: Smart Cooking Thermometer

[N2KPV]

Hi ,  Not sure if my first reply went through .  I will most likely replace 
mine with  another  iGrill .Mine is about 50 degrees off for about a week 
now .  I  do use it pretty much  every day .  Like I said , it is about 8 
years old .

Thanx Ben 

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> I have an iGril about 18 months old that works perfectly.
> Max.
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> On 24 Aug 2022, at 2:55 am, N2KPV  wrote:
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> I wonder if anyone has a suggestion  For a cooking thermometer that works 
> with the iPhone  or Mac .   I currently have one called the iGrill which 
> has changed its name to the Wever iGrill .  It is about 8 years old and is 
> giving out the wrong temps lately .   Anyone have one they can suggest to 
> replace this one ? 
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Has anyone been able to use the item chooser when in a Word document that you've opened in Pages?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

When I try and do this, items only show up if I’m on that page in the document. 
 Then, if I press enter on an item, I’m unceremoniously deposited somewhere 
else in the document.  Is there any way to use the item chooser in a Word doc 
that you’ve opened in pages?
TIA,
Donna

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