Re: Voice Dream Reader for mac and Braille display

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Karen,  May I ask what Lynx is and what its equivalent for mac is?

Andrew

> On 21 Jun 2022, at 22:25, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Andrew,
> Certainly.
> Let me preface that I am *not* using the mac to accomplish this task, but 
> cannot imagine why the process would not be comparative, its just a file.
> Also, for my own record keeping I tend to change the name when I save the 
> file to a .txt from the .XML source.
> 
> For my explanation lets pretend you have a copy of say John Steinbeck's east 
> of Eden.
> when the zip archive is unpacked then you will have several files that 
> contain the title, with proper capitalization, including one that says
> East_of_Eden.XML
> Again I unpack the zip file in its own directory or folder, so to avoid 
> confusion with other common files bookshare sends every time.
> once unpacked I simply type the file name into my browser.
> As I use a shell service based on Ubuntu Linux I have several lower graphics 
> options. To keep the explanation simple, I might type
> lynx east_of_Eden.XML
> I could even use a wildcard if the title is especially long, something like
> lynx East_*.XML
> the result is for me the same.
> my browser presents what is actually already a text edition of the file, 
> displaying XML, much as it displays .html files.
> because the browser also, when properly compiled even for the Mac, has the 
> option to save to a local file, or email the file, I can, after choosing this 
> command and saving the file to what I wish, say eastofe.txt
> You can choose whatever file name works for you, using .txt as the extension.
> What happens next though depends on how you read regular text files with your 
> braille display.
> I suppose? in theory you could even read in your browser if desired.
> For the record, as shared, there is a mac edition of lynx, if actually using 
> the tool resonates.
> Sing out if you have more questions.
> Kare
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Karen,
>> 
>> I’m intrigued by the way you deal with DAISY in this way. I wasn’t aware 
>> that .xml file actually holds the text of the book so I didn’t dare play 
>> with them. Could you describe the steps you take loading such files into 
>> your browser? do I understand you correctly?
>> 
>> Andrew
>> 
>>> On 21 Jun 2022, at 15:39, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Bookshare provides a format called Daisy text. In the zip archive is a .XML 
>>> file which is the actual text itself.
>>> i am not a braille user, but do wonder if you loaded the XML file into 
>>> something like tables if it could be read that way?
>>> Personally I take mine, load them into a browser, save them as text and 
>>> read them in my word processor.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022, Julie Rattray wrote:
>>> 
 Ah ok that makes sense I haven’t had a daisy for a while does it show the 
 actual text
 
> On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:52, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>    >> wrote:
> 
> These are DAISY books from bookshare.org 
>  > >>, 
> hence I can’t read them in books app or Preview or some such.
> 
> Andrew
> 
>> On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:35, Julie Rattray > > >> > > 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Haven’t tried it on the Mac with dreamreader but would the books app not 
>> work for what you want or even reading the document in something like 
>> preview or even pages/word - I guess it depends on the format of the 
>> book you are reading
>> 
>>> On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:33, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>> >> >>  
>>> >>>  
>>> >>  >> 
>>> Yes, when I hit the spacebar, Voice Dream Reader for Desktop begins to 
>>> read the book but I can’t locate the text which it is reading and thus 
>>> I can’t mute voiceover and read by using my refreshable Braille 
>>> display. I have asked the developer but he doesn’t seem to know as he 
>>> says he doesn’t have a Braille display. This is a bit of a drawback for 
>>> me as I like on occasion to read quietly; reading using Braille is a 
>>> complet

Re: a question about compact voices.

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

No need for Apple ID.  You can download enhanced voices through VoiceOver 
Utility, Speech, under the Voices tab.  Interact with the Customized language 
list table, locate the pop-up with the current selected voice, and choose 
Custom from there.  All the voices, both compact and enhanced are there.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 21, 2022, at 20:05, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Going to start a different thread about applications, but one goal at a time.
> While taking the tutorial I reached the place where  voices, pitch rate and 
> inflection can be adjusted.
> I recall that one can get an alternative to compact voices,  enhanced perhaps?
> Do not recall the process however, do I need my apple id for this, or is 
> there another path?
> Thanks,
> Karen
> 
> 

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Re: PDFpen

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

No, it’s not worth it to go Pro.

Later…


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> On Jun 18, 2022, at 10:12, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>   Tim, I think I had used this app on the Mac for a fillable PDF document. I 
> was just now looking at the Pro version until I say the price tag. Is it 
> worth it for what is probably occassionable use?
> 
>   For the last few weeks I've been using the carious OCR apps on the iPhone 
> and Abbyy FineReader PDF on the Mac. Can't help but wonder if there isn't one 
> app that can handle 99% of the tasks I do. iOS and macOS. What are your 
> thoughts?
> 
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Re: PDFpen

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Ok good, I will save my pennies. What confused me was that the app 
changed hands shortly after I bought the Mac version. It does not seem 
like Nitro can decide on the app name, for Mac and iOS.


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On 6/22/2022 6:40 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,

No, it’s not worth it to go Pro.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
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On Jun 18, 2022, at 10:12, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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  Tim, I think I had used this app on the Mac for a fillable PDF 
document. I was just now looking at the Pro version until I say the 
price tag. Is it worth it for what is probably occassionable use?


  For the last few weeks I've been using the carious OCR apps on the 
iPhone and Abbyy FineReader PDF on the Mac. Can't help but wonder if 
there isn't one app that can handle 99% of the tasks I do. iOS and 
macOS. What are your thoughts?


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Re: PDFpen

[Caitlyn Furness]

Can you fill in forms with this??  I tried the demo and didn't have any luck..?

Thanks,
Cait


> On Jun 22, 2022, at 10:06 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   Ok good, I will save my pennies. What confused me was that the app changed 
> hands shortly after I bought the Mac version. It does not seem like Nitro can 
> decide on the app name, for Mac and iOS.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
> will make violent revolution inevitable."
> --John F. Kennedy
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/22/2022 6:40 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hi,
>> No, it’s not worth it to go Pro.
>> Later…
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
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>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> On Jun 18, 2022, at 10:12, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>   Tim, I think I had used this app on the Mac for a fillable PDF document. 
>>> I was just now looking at the Pro version until I say the price tag. Is it 
>>> worth it for what is probably occassionable use?
>>> 
>>>   For the last few weeks I've been using the carious OCR apps on the iPhone 
>>> and Abbyy FineReader PDF on the Mac. Can't help but wonder if there isn't 
>>> one app that can handle 99% of the tasks I do. iOS and macOS. What are your 
>>> thoughts?
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>>> --John F. Kennedy
>>> My e-Mail:
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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Re: PDFpen

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Yes. I did it on a document that seemed not to be 100% accessible 
and I needed a little help with certain elements. I will find some other 
pdfs and see if any are 100%. This apparently is dependent on how the 
forms are created.


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On 6/22/2022 7:11 AM, Caitlyn Furness wrote:

Can you fill in forms with this??  I tried the demo and didn't have any luck..?

Thanks,
Cait



On Jun 22, 2022, at 10:06 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

   Ok good, I will save my pennies. What confused me was that the app changed 
hands shortly after I bought the Mac version. It does not seem like Nitro can 
decide on the app name, for Mac and iOS.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
will make violent revolution inevitable."
--John F. Kennedy
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On 6/22/2022 6:40 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,
No, it’s not worth it to go Pro.
Later…
Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 18, 2022, at 10:12, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

   Tim, I think I had used this app on the Mac for a fillable PDF document. I 
was just now looking at the Pro version until I say the price tag. Is it worth 
it for what is probably occassionable use?

   For the last few weeks I've been using the carious OCR apps on the iPhone 
and Abbyy FineReader PDF on the Mac. Can't help but wonder if there isn't one 
app that can handle 99% of the tasks I do. iOS and macOS. What are your 
thoughts?

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"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
will make violent revolution inevitable."
--John F. Kennedy
My e-Mail:
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

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Anyone know the command for enabling/disabling Voiceover speech on an Apple TV?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

For some reason, since the last update, when I start our Apple TV, it starts 
without speech.  I think, though, that VO is on, because I hear the other VO 
noises.  I can always just turn VO off and back on, and then all is fine, but 
I’m thinking I should be able to just activate speech.  Is there a command for 
doing that on the Apple TV remote?  I seem to recall that there is one, but 
Google yielded nothing.
TIA,
Donna

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Re: Anyone know the command for enabling/disabling Voiceover speech on an Apple TV?

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Donna,

I have one of the older remotes, but what I do is locate the role of three 
buttons. You would hold in the middle button and say “turn on voiceover. “That 
will stay in effect until you wish to turn it off using the same procedure. We 
use this often, as my wife doesn’t wish to hear the speech when she is viewing 
the Apple TV contact. It works fine. S Sometimes, she forgets to do it, so I 
want up doing it but it works as it should. I hope this is what you were 
looking for.
Best regards,
Les 

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> Hi all,
> 
> For some reason, since the last update, when I start our Apple TV, it starts 
> without speech.  I think, though, that VO is on, because I hear the other VO 
> noises.  I can always just turn VO off and back on, and then all is fine, but 
> I’m thinking I should be able to just activate speech.  Is there a command 
> for doing that on the Apple TV remote?  I seem to recall that there is one, 
> but Google yielded nothing.
> TIA,
> Donna
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Mac Mail app problem "This mail has no content"" Help please

['Ron S' via MacVisionaries]

Hi there, I am getting the above message in mail from time to time. It is 
mostly from one email sender but not exclusively. When I try to enter the mail 
area I get “text”, but nothing else. I have been told by a sighted person that 
there is a link saying something like “click to download content” and if 
clicked it does download the message. However voiceover does not see any link 
to click. 
I have been through various settings and remote content blocking isn’t 
selected. I am using AOL mail and this is intermittent. If I use my Iphone then 
the message is there to read.
I thought this had been mentioned before but I cannot find it in the archives.
Any advice would be appreciated, Ron.

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RE: hand-off

[pdevasto0219]

Brad,
For what it might be worth, I have a late 2014 Mac Mini running Mac OS 
Monterey. Apparently in order for handoff to work, one of the things that is 
not listed in Apple's support article about handoff is that your Mac has to 
have something called Airplay Receiver enabled. The following article talks 
about this feature, and when I went to System Preferences > Sharing and looked 
at the available Services Table, Airplay receiver was not included in the list:
https://support.apple.com/en-md/guide/mac-help/mchleee00ec8/12.0/mac/12.0
Pete

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2022 4:54 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: hand-off

I believe Handoff should work on Macs from 2013, and newer.


- Brad -



On Jun 21, 2022, at 11:48, Pete De Vasto  wrote:

The problem might be with the hardware you’re using. I have a Mac mini from 
2014, and I can’t get Handoff to work either on it. I have an SE 2022 iPhone, 
and both phone and computer are running the latest OS’s. Wi-fi and Bluetooth 
are also both enabled.  If you look at Apple Support, they talk about 
Continuity System requirements, and supposedly my Mac mini should work, but it 
doesn’t. I’m wondering if there is something about Monterey that’s getting in 
the way.
Pete De Vasto

> On Jun 21, 2022, at 7:26 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> I don’t believe your iOS version is a problem. I’ve used handoff in prior 
> versions, I think iOS 13 in fact, definitely iOS 14, and it hasn’t been a 
> problem.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2022, at 5:02 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> ok. I did check that handoff is enabled on both devices but I'm not running 
>> ios 15. that might be the problem.
>> 
>>> On Jun 20, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Make sure Handoff is enabled on both devices, and both devices are running 
>>> the most current version of iOS and macOS.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 20, 2022, at 15:52, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> on the far left of my dock is finder. the app I usually want to hand off is 
>>> Safari. I tried command-tab too and never heard it. maybe one of my devices 
>>> isn't signed into iCloud. keychain works so I don't know.
>>> 
> On Jun 18, 2022, at 7:01 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
 
 Try the following:
 
 1.  On your iPhone, have the app you wish to Handoff open and in focus.
 2.  Now, on your Mac, do one of the following:
 a.  Go to the Dock, and navigate to the far left end of the dock, to find 
 the app you wish to handoff from your iPhone.
 b.  Press CMD + Tab, until you land on the item that says Handoff from 
 iPhone, and release to accept the handoff and open the app on your Mac.
 
 HTH.
 
 - Brad -
 
> On Jun 18, 2022, at 18:34, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
 
 both of my devices have bluetooth on because I use it with other things. 
 do I need to bring the phone near the Mac or anything like that? what do I 
 do to get the process started?
 
> On Jun 18, 2022, at 6:20 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Yes, it works through the cloud, but you still have to have Bluetooth 
> enabled.
> I think your devices also have to be on the same Wi-Fi network.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Jun 18, 2022, at 17:40, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> It works through the cloud.
> 
> 
> Herbie
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2022, at 15:29, pdevasto0...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Am I right that you also have to have Bluetooth enabled on both devices 
>> as well?
>> Pete De Vasto
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
>> On Behalf Of Herbie Allen
>> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2022 1:23 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: hand-off
>> 
>> Make sure both devices divices are logged into the same iCloud account. 
>> Then go to system preferences, and General. At the bottom you will see 
>> the option for handoff. Check the box. Then on your iPhone, go to 
>> Settings, General, AirPlay, and Handoff. You should be good to go from 
>> there after you enable it, though sometimes I have to restart the phone 
>> to get it to cooperate.
>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2022, at 14:43, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> what do I need to do in order to hand off things from my iPhone to my 
>>> Mac?
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
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RE: Anyone know the command for enabling/disabling Voiceover speech on an Apple TV?

[etscrivani via MacVisionaries]

I have an Apple TV 4K that I got back in 2017. On the left side of the two 
columns of buttons, I hold down the middle round button and just tell it "turn 
Voice Over Off". When I want VO to return I hold the same button down and tell 
it "Turn Voice Over On."

HTH.

Eileen

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Les Kriegler
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 11:06 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Anyone know the command for enabling/disabling Voiceover speech on 
an Apple TV?

Hi Donna,

I have one of the older remotes, but what I do is locate the role of three 
buttons. You would hold in the middle button and say “turn on voiceover. “That 
will stay in effect until you wish to turn it off using the same procedure. We 
use this often, as my wife doesn’t wish to hear the speech when she is viewing 
the Apple TV contact. It works fine. S Sometimes, she forgets to do it, so I 
want up doing it but it works as it should. I hope this is what you were 
looking for.
Best regards,
Les 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 22, 2022, at 10:57 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> For some reason, since the last update, when I start our Apple TV, it starts 
> without speech.  I think, though, that VO is on, because I hear the other VO 
> noises.  I can always just turn VO off and back on, and then all is fine, but 
> I’m thinking I should be able to just activate speech.  Is there a command 
> for doing that on the Apple TV remote?  I seem to recall that there is one, 
> but Google yielded nothing.
> TIA,
> Donna
> 
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Re: hand-off

[Brad Snyder]

If you say so.
I had a 2013 MacBook Air, and handoff worked on that machine consistently 
without issue.

- Brad -

On Jun 22, 2022, at 10:32, pdevasto0...@gmail.com wrote:

Brad,
For what it might be worth, I have a late 2014 Mac Mini running Mac OS 
Monterey. Apparently in order for handoff to work, one of the things that is 
not listed in Apple's support article about handoff is that your Mac has to 
have something called Airplay Receiver enabled. The following article talks 
about this feature, and when I went to System Preferences > Sharing and looked 
at the available Services Table, Airplay receiver was not included in the list:
https://support.apple.com/en-md/guide/mac-help/mchleee00ec8/12.0/mac/12.0
Pete

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2022 4:54 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: hand-off

I believe Handoff should work on Macs from 2013, and newer.


- Brad -



On Jun 21, 2022, at 11:48, Pete De Vasto  wrote:

The problem might be with the hardware you’re using. I have a Mac mini from 
2014, and I can’t get Handoff to work either on it. I have an SE 2022 iPhone, 
and both phone and computer are running the latest OS’s. Wi-fi and Bluetooth 
are also both enabled.  If you look at Apple Support, they talk about 
Continuity System requirements, and supposedly my Mac mini should work, but it 
doesn’t. I’m wondering if there is something about Monterey that’s getting in 
the way.
Pete De Vasto

> On Jun 21, 2022, at 7:26 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> I don’t believe your iOS version is a problem. I’ve used handoff in prior 
> versions, I think iOS 13 in fact, definitely iOS 14, and it hasn’t been a 
> problem.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2022, at 5:02 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> ok. I did check that handoff is enabled on both devices but I'm not running 
>> ios 15. that might be the problem.
>> 
>>> On Jun 20, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Make sure Handoff is enabled on both devices, and both devices are running 
>>> the most current version of iOS and macOS.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 20, 2022, at 15:52, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> on the far left of my dock is finder. the app I usually want to hand off is 
>>> Safari. I tried command-tab too and never heard it. maybe one of my devices 
>>> isn't signed into iCloud. keychain works so I don't know.
>>> 
> On Jun 18, 2022, at 7:01 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
 
 Try the following:
 
 1.  On your iPhone, have the app you wish to Handoff open and in focus.
 2.  Now, on your Mac, do one of the following:
 a.  Go to the Dock, and navigate to the far left end of the dock, to find 
 the app you wish to handoff from your iPhone.
 b.  Press CMD + Tab, until you land on the item that says Handoff from 
 iPhone, and release to accept the handoff and open the app on your Mac.
 
 HTH.
 
 - Brad -
 
> On Jun 18, 2022, at 18:34, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
 
 both of my devices have bluetooth on because I use it with other things. 
 do I need to bring the phone near the Mac or anything like that? what do I 
 do to get the process started?
 
> On Jun 18, 2022, at 6:20 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Yes, it works through the cloud, but you still have to have Bluetooth 
> enabled.
> I think your devices also have to be on the same Wi-Fi network.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Jun 18, 2022, at 17:40, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> It works through the cloud.
> 
> 
> Herbie
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2022, at 15:29, pdevasto0...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Am I right that you also have to have Bluetooth enabled on both devices 
>> as well?
>> Pete De Vasto
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
>> On Behalf Of Herbie Allen
>> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2022 1:23 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: hand-off
>> 
>> Make sure both devices divices are logged into the same iCloud account. 
>> Then go to system preferences, and General. At the bottom you will see 
>> the option for handoff. Check the box. Then on your iPhone, go to 
>> Settings, General, AirPlay, and Handoff. You should be good to go from 
>> there after you enable it, though sometimes I have to restart the phone 
>> to get it to cooperate.
>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2022, at 14:43, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> what do I need to do in order to hand off things from my iPhone to my 
>>> Mac?
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
>>> 
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Re: Anyone know the command for enabling/disabling Voiceover speech on an Apple TV?

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Or triple click the Menu button which is above the Siri button.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
will make violent revolution inevitable."
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My e-Mail:
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On 6/22/2022 8:33 AM, etscrivani via MacVisionaries wrote:

I have an Apple TV 4K that I got back in 2017. On the left side of the two columns of buttons, I 
hold down the middle round button and just tell it "turn Voice Over Off". When I want VO 
to return I hold the same button down and tell it "Turn Voice Over On."

HTH.

Eileen

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Les Kriegler
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 11:06 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Anyone know the command for enabling/disabling Voiceover speech on 
an Apple TV?

Hi Donna,

I have one of the older remotes, but what I do is locate the role of three 
buttons. You would hold in the middle button and say “turn on voiceover. “That 
will stay in effect until you wish to turn it off using the same procedure. We 
use this often, as my wife doesn’t wish to hear the speech when she is viewing 
the Apple TV contact. It works fine. S Sometimes, she forgets to do it, so I 
want up doing it but it works as it should. I hope this is what you were 
looking for.
Best regards,
Les

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 22, 2022, at 10:57 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi all,

For some reason, since the last update, when I start our Apple TV, it starts 
without speech.  I think, though, that VO is on, because I hear the other VO 
noises.  I can always just turn VO off and back on, and then all is fine, but 
I’m thinking I should be able to just activate speech.  Is there a command for 
doing that on the Apple TV remote?  I seem to recall that there is one, but 
Google yielded nothing.
TIA,
Donna

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Re: Anyone know the command for enabling/disabling Voiceover speech on an Apple TV?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

Thanks for the responses.  All of these are both ways of turning VO on and off, 
which is what I’ve been doing.  I just thought that, as on the phone, there was 
a way to just turn speech on and off.  If there’s not, I’ll just keep doing 
what I’ve been doing, which is triple clicking the menu button to turn VO off 
and back on again.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jun 22, 2022, at 11:09 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   Or triple click the Menu button which is above the Siri button.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
> will make violent revolution inevitable."
> --John F. Kennedy
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/22/2022 8:33 AM, etscrivani via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> I have an Apple TV 4K that I got back in 2017. On the left side of the two 
>> columns of buttons, I hold down the middle round button and just tell it 
>> "turn Voice Over Off". When I want VO to return I hold the same button down 
>> and tell it "Turn Voice Over On."
>> HTH.
>> Eileen
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Les Kriegler
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 11:06 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Anyone know the command for enabling/disabling Voiceover speech 
>> on an Apple TV?
>> Hi Donna,
>> I have one of the older remotes, but what I do is locate the role of three 
>> buttons. You would hold in the middle button and say “turn on voiceover. 
>> “That will stay in effect until you wish to turn it off using the same 
>> procedure. We use this often, as my wife doesn’t wish to hear the speech 
>> when she is viewing the Apple TV contact. It works fine. S Sometimes, she 
>> forgets to do it, so I want up doing it but it works as it should. I hope 
>> this is what you were looking for.
>> Best regards,
>> Les
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 10:57 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> For some reason, since the last update, when I start our Apple TV, it 
>>> starts without speech.  I think, though, that VO is on, because I hear the 
>>> other VO noises.  I can always just turn VO off and back on, and then all 
>>> is fine, but I’m thinking I should be able to just activate speech.  Is 
>>> there a command for doing that on the Apple TV remote?  I seem to recall 
>>> that there is one, but Google yielded nothing.
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
>>> 
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An active Voice Dream Reader subscription on Mac

[Tibor Niesner]

Hello,

I have an interresting thing. The Voice Dream Reader shows an active 
subscription in app preferences. But when I look at the subscriptions in iCloud 
settings, there are not any active subscriptions.
It shows me after the last update.

I don’t understand it. 

Thank you.

Best regard

Tibor Niesner

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Re: Anyone know the command for enabling/disabling Voiceover speech on an Apple TV?

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

If you have a Bluetooth keyboard connected, use VO-s. I don't believe there is 
a Siri Remote gesture. 

 Later... 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 22, 2022, at 9:26 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Thanks for the responses.  All of these are both ways of turning VO on and 
> off, which is what I’ve been doing.  I just thought that, as on the phone, 
> there was a way to just turn speech on and off.  If there’s not, I’ll just 
> keep doing what I’ve been doing, which is triple clicking the menu button to 
> turn VO off and back on again.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 11:09 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  Or triple click the Menu button which is above the Siri button.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>> --John F. Kennedy
>> My e-Mail:
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On 6/22/2022 8:33 AM, etscrivani via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> I have an Apple TV 4K that I got back in 2017. On the left side of the two 
>>> columns of buttons, I hold down the middle round button and just tell it 
>>> "turn Voice Over Off". When I want VO to return I hold the same button down 
>>> and tell it "Turn Voice Over On."
>>> HTH.
>>> Eileen
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>>> Behalf Of Les Kriegler
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 11:06 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Anyone know the command for enabling/disabling Voiceover 
>>> speech on an Apple TV?
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> I have one of the older remotes, but what I do is locate the role of three 
>>> buttons. You would hold in the middle button and say “turn on voiceover. 
>>> “That will stay in effect until you wish to turn it off using the same 
>>> procedure. We use this often, as my wife doesn’t wish to hear the speech 
>>> when she is viewing the Apple TV contact. It works fine. S Sometimes, she 
>>> forgets to do it, so I want up doing it but it works as it should. I hope 
>>> this is what you were looking for.
>>> Best regards,
>>> Les
>>> Sent from my iPhone
 On Jun 22, 2022, at 10:57 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 For some reason, since the last update, when I start our Apple TV, it 
 starts without speech.  I think, though, that VO is on, because I hear the 
 other VO noises.  I can always just turn VO off and back on, and then all 
 is fine, but I’m thinking I should be able to just activate speech.  Is 
 there a command for doing that on the Apple TV remote?  I seem to recall 
 that there is one, but Google yielded nothing.
 TIA,
 Donna
 
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Re: Mac Mail app problem "This mail has no content"" Help please

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Just give it some time to load and that will go away. 

 Later... 



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> On Jun 22, 2022, at 8:29 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi there, I am getting the above message in mail from time to time. It is 
> mostly from one email sender but not exclusively. When I try to enter the 
> mail area I get “text”, but nothing else. I have been told by a sighted 
> person that there is a link saying something like “click to download content” 
> and if clicked it does download the message. However voiceover does not see 
> any link to click. 
> I have been through various settings and remote content blocking isn’t 
> selected. I am using AOL mail and this is intermittent. If I use my Iphone 
> then the message is there to read.
> I thought this had been mentioned before but I cannot find it in the archives.
> Any advice would be appreciated, Ron.
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Re: Voice Dream Reader for mac and Braille display

[Anders Holmberg]

HI!
Do you happen to know if its a compiled version of Links or if you have to 
compile it?
I can imagine that the browser is compiled and if so then the brltty could be 
used for that reading.
THe complicated thing is to compile brltty in a proper way.
/A

> 21 juni 2022 kl. 23:25 skrev Karen Lewellen :
> 
> Hi Andrew,
> Certainly.
> Let me preface that I am *not* using the mac to accomplish this task, but 
> cannot imagine why the process would not be comparative, its just a file.
> Also,  for my own record keeping I tend to  change the name when I save the 
> file  to a .txt from the .XML source.
> 
> For my explanation lets pretend you have a copy of say John Steinbeck's east  
> of Eden.
> when the zip archive is unpacked then you will have several files that 
> contain the title, with proper capitalization, including one that says
> East_of_Eden.XML
> Again I unpack the zip file  in its own directory or folder, so to avoid 
> confusion with other common files bookshare sends every time.
> once unpacked I simply type the file name into my browser.
> As I use a shell service based on  Ubuntu Linux I have several lower graphics 
> options.  To keep the explanation simple, I might type
> lynx east_of_Eden.XML
> I could even use a wildcard if the title is especially long, something like
> lynx East_*.XML
> the result is for me the same.
> my browser presents what is actually already a text edition of the file, 
> displaying XML, much as it displays .html files.
> because  the browser also, when properly compiled even for the Mac, has the 
> option to save to a local file, or email the file, I can, after choosing this 
> command and saving the file to what I wish, say eastofe.txt
> You can choose whatever file name works for you,  using .txt as the extension.
> What happens next though depends on how you read regular text files with your 
>  braille display.
> I suppose? in theory you could even read in your browser if desired.
> For the record, as shared, there is a mac edition of lynx, if actually using 
> the tool resonates.
> Sing out if you have more questions.
> Kare
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Karen,
>> 
>> I’m intrigued by the way you deal with DAISY in this way.  I wasn’t aware 
>> that .xml file actually holds the text of the book so I didn’t dare play 
>> with them. Could you describe the steps you take loading such files into 
>> your browser?  do I understand you correctly?
>> 
>> Andrew
>> 
>>> On 21 Jun 2022, at 15:39, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Bookshare provides a format called Daisy text. In the zip archive is a .XML 
>>> file which is the actual text itself.
>>> i am not a braille user, but do wonder if you loaded the XML file into 
>>> something like tables if it could be read that way?
>>> Personally I take mine, load them into a browser, save them as text and 
>>> read them in my word processor.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022, Julie Rattray wrote:
>>> 
 Ah ok that makes sense I haven’t had a daisy for a while does it show the 
 actual text
 
> On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:52, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> These are DAISY books from bookshare.org 
> >, 
> hence I can’t read them in books app or Preview or some such.
> 
> Andrew
> 
>> On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:35, Julie Rattray > > >> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Haven’t tried it on the Mac with dreamreader but would the books app not 
>> work for what you want or even reading the document in something like 
>> preview or even pages/word - I guess it depends on the format of the 
>> book you are reading
>> 
>>> On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:33, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>> >> >>  >> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, when I hit the spacebar, Voice Dream Reader for Desktop begins to 
>>> read the book but I can’t locate the text which it is reading and thus 
>>> I can’t mute voiceover and read by using my refreshable Braille 
>>> display. I have asked the developer but he doesn’t seem to know as he 
>>> says he doesn’t have a Braille display. This is a bit of a drawback for 
>>> me as I like on occasion to read quietly; reading using Braille is a 
>>> completely different experience for me. I think on an IPhone one can 
>>> use a Braille display and you can actually touch the text with your 
>>> finger. On the mac, I can’t find the text being read anywhere.
>>> 
>>> Andrew
>>> 
 On 20 Jun 2022, at 23:24, Herbie Allen >>> 

Re: Voice Dream Reader for mac and Braille display

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I think its time for the VoiceDream developer to take a moment to think about 
how braille could be implemented properly.
Though I am not the right person to explain this as I am not the best in 
English, even though I do understand it and can read and write a lot.
But its a pain to explain such things properly translating Swedish to English 
directly from my head.
/A

> 22 juni 2022 kl. 07:20 skrev 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Yes, I have finally found the area and i was able to read the text with the 
> Braille display but as soon as I move away from that area, and then return to 
> the text, I find myself at the beginning of the book again.  Voice Dream 
> Reader forr Mac doesn’t remember where you left off with the Braille display. 
>  I have been wondering whether there’s a way Voiceover/keyboard focus could 
> track Braille cursor if there is such a thing. :)
> 
> Andrew
> 
>> On 21 Jun 2022, at 19:43, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> It was a bit of an issue in the beta but  there should be some area to 
>> interact with from what I remember.
>> I don’t have it as he has a monthly subscription which I don’t want so I 
>> trashed it on my Mac.
>> Sad but it is what it is.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 21 juni 2022 kl. 10:33 skrev 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Yes, when I hit the spacebar, Voice Dream Reader for Desktop begins to read 
>>> the book but I can’t locate the text which it is reading and thus I can’t 
>>> mute voiceover and read by using my refreshable Braille display.  I have 
>>> asked the developer but he doesn’t seem to know as he says he doesn’t have 
>>> a Braille display.  This is a bit of a drawback for me as I like on 
>>> occasion to read quietly; reading using Braille is a completely different 
>>> experience for me.  I think on an IPhone one can use a Braille display and 
>>> you can actually touch the text with your finger.  On the mac, I can’t find 
>>> the text being read anywhere.
>>> 
>>> Andrew 
>>> 
 On 20 Jun 2022, at 23:24, Herbie Allen  wrote:
 
 Does it read if you hit the play button? 
 
> On Jun 20, 2022, at 16:00, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Is it possible to read books and documents imported to voice dream reader 
> for mac desktop using refreshable Braille display?
> 
> I’ve been trying to find a way to do this but have thus far failed.
> 
> Andrew
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Re: Anyone know the command for enabling/disabling Voiceover speech on an Apple TV?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Huh. Interesting.  I do think there used to be.  Thanks, Tim.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jun 22, 2022, at 11:57 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> If you have a Bluetooth keyboard connected, use VO-s. I don't believe there 
> is a Siri Remote gesture. 
> 
> Later... 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 9:26 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Thanks for the responses.  All of these are both ways of turning VO on and 
>> off, which is what I’ve been doing.  I just thought that, as on the phone, 
>> there was a way to just turn speech on and off.  If there’s not, I’ll just 
>> keep doing what I’ve been doing, which is triple clicking the menu button to 
>> turn VO off and back on again.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 11:09 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Or triple click the Menu button which is above the Siri button.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>>> --John F. Kennedy
>>> My e-Mail:
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On 6/22/2022 8:33 AM, etscrivani via MacVisionaries wrote:
 I have an Apple TV 4K that I got back in 2017. On the left side of the two 
 columns of buttons, I hold down the middle round button and just tell it 
 "turn Voice Over Off". When I want VO to return I hold the same button 
 down and tell it "Turn Voice Over On."
 HTH.
 Eileen
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
 Behalf Of Les Kriegler
 Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 11:06 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Anyone know the command for enabling/disabling Voiceover 
 speech on an Apple TV?
 Hi Donna,
 I have one of the older remotes, but what I do is locate the role of three 
 buttons. You would hold in the middle button and say “turn on voiceover. 
 “That will stay in effect until you wish to turn it off using the same 
 procedure. We use this often, as my wife doesn’t wish to hear the speech 
 when she is viewing the Apple TV contact. It works fine. S Sometimes, she 
 forgets to do it, so I want up doing it but it works as it should. I hope 
 this is what you were looking for.
 Best regards,
 Les
 Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 22, 2022, at 10:57 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> For some reason, since the last update, when I start our Apple TV, it 
> starts without speech.  I think, though, that VO is on, because I hear 
> the other VO noises.  I can always just turn VO off and back on, and then 
> all is fine, but I’m thinking I should be able to just activate speech.  
> Is there a command for doing that on the Apple TV remote?  I seem to 
> recall that there is one, but Google yielded nothing.
> TIA,
> Donna
> 
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Re: Anyone know the command for enabling/disabling Voiceover speech on an Apple TV?

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Donna,

On the phone, if you do a three finger double tap, that will turn voiceover 
speech off. Then you can issue the same command to turn it back on.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 22, 2022, at 12:26 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Thanks for the responses.  All of these are both ways of turning VO on and 
> off, which is what I’ve been doing.  I just thought that, as on the phone, 
> there was a way to just turn speech on and off.  If there’s not, I’ll just 
> keep doing what I’ve been doing, which is triple clicking the menu button to 
> turn VO off and back on again.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 11:09 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  Or triple click the Menu button which is above the Siri button.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>> --John F. Kennedy
>> My e-Mail:
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On 6/22/2022 8:33 AM, etscrivani via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> I have an Apple TV 4K that I got back in 2017. On the left side of the two 
>>> columns of buttons, I hold down the middle round button and just tell it 
>>> "turn Voice Over Off". When I want VO to return I hold the same button down 
>>> and tell it "Turn Voice Over On."
>>> HTH.
>>> Eileen
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>>> Behalf Of Les Kriegler
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 11:06 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Anyone know the command for enabling/disabling Voiceover 
>>> speech on an Apple TV?
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> I have one of the older remotes, but what I do is locate the role of three 
>>> buttons. You would hold in the middle button and say “turn on voiceover. 
>>> “That will stay in effect until you wish to turn it off using the same 
>>> procedure. We use this often, as my wife doesn’t wish to hear the speech 
>>> when she is viewing the Apple TV contact. It works fine. S Sometimes, she 
>>> forgets to do it, so I want up doing it but it works as it should. I hope 
>>> this is what you were looking for.
>>> Best regards,
>>> Les
>>> Sent from my iPhone
 On Jun 22, 2022, at 10:57 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 For some reason, since the last update, when I start our Apple TV, it 
 starts without speech.  I think, though, that VO is on, because I hear the 
 other VO noises.  I can always just turn VO off and back on, and then all 
 is fine, but I’m thinking I should be able to just activate speech.  Is 
 there a command for doing that on the Apple TV remote?  I seem to recall 
 that there is one, but Google yielded nothing.
 TIA,
 Donna
 
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Re: Anyone know the command for enabling/disabling Voiceover speech on an Apple TV?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Yeah.  That’s what I was hoping to emulate on the Apple TV.
Cheers,
Donna



> On Jun 22, 2022, at 12:37 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> On the phone, if you do a three finger double tap, that will turn voiceover 
> speech off. Then you can issue the same command to turn it back on.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 12:26 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Thanks for the responses.  All of these are both ways of turning VO on and 
>> off, which is what I’ve been doing.  I just thought that, as on the phone, 
>> there was a way to just turn speech on and off.  If there’s not, I’ll just 
>> keep doing what I’ve been doing, which is triple clicking the menu button to 
>> turn VO off and back on again.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 11:09 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Or triple click the Menu button which is above the Siri button.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>>> --John F. Kennedy
>>> My e-Mail:
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On 6/22/2022 8:33 AM, etscrivani via MacVisionaries wrote:
 I have an Apple TV 4K that I got back in 2017. On the left side of the two 
 columns of buttons, I hold down the middle round button and just tell it 
 "turn Voice Over Off". When I want VO to return I hold the same button 
 down and tell it "Turn Voice Over On."
 HTH.
 Eileen
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
 Behalf Of Les Kriegler
 Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 11:06 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Anyone know the command for enabling/disabling Voiceover 
 speech on an Apple TV?
 Hi Donna,
 I have one of the older remotes, but what I do is locate the role of three 
 buttons. You would hold in the middle button and say “turn on voiceover. 
 “That will stay in effect until you wish to turn it off using the same 
 procedure. We use this often, as my wife doesn’t wish to hear the speech 
 when she is viewing the Apple TV contact. It works fine. S Sometimes, she 
 forgets to do it, so I want up doing it but it works as it should. I hope 
 this is what you were looking for.
 Best regards,
 Les
 Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 22, 2022, at 10:57 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> For some reason, since the last update, when I start our Apple TV, it 
> starts without speech.  I think, though, that VO is on, because I hear 
> the other VO noises.  I can always just turn VO off and back on, and then 
> all is fine, but I’m thinking I should be able to just activate speech.  
> Is there a command for doing that on the Apple TV remote?  I seem to 
> recall that there is one, but Google yielded nothing.
> TIA,
> Donna
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basic finder question

[Andrew Leland]

Hey all,

I'm a lifelong sighted Mac user currently in the process of becoming a 
blind Mac user. I've also decided to learn JAWS (even though I would've 
never dream of switching to Windows otherwise) since I can't avoid MS Word 
in my work and I've been gobsmacked by how frequently Word for Mac stops 
working compared to Scrivener, which is my main workhorse word processor. 
(also finding some of the JAWS navigation, especially on the web, more 
reliable and intuitive than VoiceOver for MacOS).

Anyway none of this has anything to do with my question for you, which is 
as follows: 

is there any way to move items in the finder without just copying, 
deleting, then pasting in the new location? I know in Windows you can "cut" 
a file and then "paste" it elsewhere, removing this middle step of having 
to then go back and delete the file... I have half-heartedly tried reading 
the apple documentation about dragging and dropping with VoiceOver but I 
haven't had the courage to try. is it more efficient than copy file, paste 
file, delete file in the finder?

thanks, and thanks for including me in this group!
Andrew Leland
alel...@gmail.com

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Re: basic finder question

[Greg Wocher]

Hello,
When you go to do the paste command use option plus command plus V instead of 
just command plus V. This will move the file rather than just copying it.

Greg Wocher


> On Jun 22, 2022, at 2:07 PM, Andrew Leland  wrote:
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> Hey all,
> 
> I'm a lifelong sighted Mac user currently in the process of becoming a blind 
> Mac user. I've also decided to learn JAWS (even though I would've never dream 
> of switching to Windows otherwise) since I can't avoid MS Word in my work and 
> I've been gobsmacked by how frequently Word for Mac stops working compared to 
> Scrivener, which is my main workhorse word processor. (also finding some of 
> the JAWS navigation, especially on the web, more reliable and intuitive than 
> VoiceOver for MacOS).
> 
> Anyway none of this has anything to do with my question for you, which is as 
> follows: 
> 
> is there any way to move items in the finder without just copying, deleting, 
> then pasting in the new location? I know in Windows you can "cut" a file and 
> then "paste" it elsewhere, removing this middle step of having to then go 
> back and delete the file... I have half-heartedly tried reading the apple 
> documentation about dragging and dropping with VoiceOver but I haven't had 
> the courage to try. is it more efficient than copy file, paste file, delete 
> file in the finder?
> 
> thanks, and thanks for including me in this group!
> Andrew Leland
> alel...@gmail.com
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Re: basic finder question

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi Andrew,

I’m sorry to hear you are getting blind. Ask as much as you want here in this 
list. A lot of great experts share their knowledge. You could also have a look 
on applevis.com . Very rich.

Press CMD + Option + v instead of just CMD + v to move an element in the Finder.

Scrivener for Mac is also a great tool which is quite accessible to VoiceOver. 
Unfortunately Word isn’t as accessible as it could be. In this point I’m very 
disappointed from Microsoft. They could really do better.

All the best
Jürgen


> Am 22.06.2022 um 20:07 schrieb Andrew Leland :
> 
> Hey all,
> 
> I'm a lifelong sighted Mac user currently in the process of becoming a blind 
> Mac user. I've also decided to learn JAWS (even though I would've never dream 
> of switching to Windows otherwise) since I can't avoid MS Word in my work and 
> I've been gobsmacked by how frequently Word for Mac stops working compared to 
> Scrivener, which is my main workhorse word processor. (also finding some of 
> the JAWS navigation, especially on the web, more reliable and intuitive than 
> VoiceOver for MacOS).
> 
> Anyway none of this has anything to do with my question for you, which is as 
> follows: 
> 
> is there any way to move items in the finder without just copying, deleting, 
> then pasting in the new location? I know in Windows you can "cut" a file and 
> then "paste" it elsewhere, removing this middle step of having to then go 
> back and delete the file... I have half-heartedly tried reading the apple 
> documentation about dragging and dropping with VoiceOver but I haven't had 
> the courage to try. is it more efficient than copy file, paste file, delete 
> file in the finder?
> 
> thanks, and thanks for including me in this group!
> Andrew Leland
> alel...@gmail.com
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Re: How to delete messages in the app message?

[joseph hudson]

Command backspace Will delete the message window.

> On Jun 14, 2022, at 1:37 PM, Rena  wrote:
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> Hello,
>  
> Would anyone please explain how to delete messages in the message app?
> I’m trying, but I don’t know how to do it.
>  
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Re: basic finder question

[Andrew Leland]

Dear Jürgen,
Thank you so much for this quick and extremely helpful reply!
All best,
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Working around MS Word

[Andrew Leland]

Here’s another question for the group:

One of the main reasons I’m considering abandoning MacOS for Windows is that I 
have to send and receive MS Word docs, often with track changes and comments. I 
primarily work in Scrivener and export to Word, but I can’t give up word 
entirely because I need to be able to check the formatting of the exported 
docx, and process tracked changes and comments on files I’m receiving. Does 
anyone know of a way to bring a .docx with track changes and comments into a 
more accessible program than Word on the Mac? Like maybe Apple Pages? Trying to 
think of a way that I don’t have to switch to Windows, though I’m sort of 
resigned to that fate considering everything I know about MS Word for MacOS...

Thanks and high fives all around,
Andrew
>   On Jun 22, 2022, at 2:17 PM, Jürgen Fleger  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> I’m sorry to hear you are getting blind. Ask as much as you want here in this 
> list. A lot of great experts share their knowledge. You could also have a 
> look on applevis.com . Very rich.
> 
> Press CMD + Option + v instead of just CMD + v to move an element in the 
> Finder.
> 
> Scrivener for Mac is also a great tool which is quite accessible to 
> VoiceOver. Unfortunately Word isn’t as accessible as it could be. In this 
> point I’m very disappointed from Microsoft. They could really do better.
> 
> All the best
> Jürgen
> 
> 
>> Am 22.06.2022 um 20:07 schrieb Andrew Leland > >:
>> 
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> I'm a lifelong sighted Mac user currently in the process of becoming a blind 
>> Mac user. I've also decided to learn JAWS (even though I would've never 
>> dream of switching to Windows otherwise) since I can't avoid MS Word in my 
>> work and I've been gobsmacked by how frequently Word for Mac stops working 
>> compared to Scrivener, which is my main workhorse word processor. (also 
>> finding some of the JAWS navigation, especially on the web, more reliable 
>> and intuitive than VoiceOver for MacOS).
>> 
>> Anyway none of this has anything to do with my question for you, which is as 
>> follows: 
>> 
>> is there any way to move items in the finder without just copying, deleting, 
>> then pasting in the new location? I know in Windows you can "cut" a file and 
>> then "paste" it elsewhere, removing this middle step of having to then go 
>> back and delete the file... I have half-heartedly tried reading the apple 
>> documentation about dragging and dropping with VoiceOver but I haven't had 
>> the courage to try. is it more efficient than copy file, paste file, delete 
>> file in the finder?
>> 
>> thanks, and thanks for including me in this group!
>> Andrew Leland
>> alel...@gmail.com 
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word processing beyond MS Word

[Andrew Leland]

Here’s another question for the group:

One of the main reasons I’m considering abandoning MacOS for Windows is 
that I have to send and receive MS Word docs, often with track changes and 
comments. I primarily work in Scrivener and export to Word, but I can’t 
give up word entirely because I need to be able to check the formatting of 
the exported docx, and process tracked changes and comments on files I’m 
receiving. Does anyone know of a way to bring a .docx with track changes 
and comments into a more accessible program than Word on the Mac? Like 
maybe Apple Pages? Trying to think of a way that I don’t have to switch to 
Windows, though I’m sort of resigned to that fate considering everything I 
know about MS Word for MacOS...

Thanks and high fives all around,
Andrew

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Re: Voice Dream Reader for mac and Braille display

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

I’ve written to Winston chen but he’s not responded yet.  He says he’s no 
Braille display which begs a question how he can properly make Braille access 
possible if he doesn’t bother about Braille displays.

Andrew 

> On 22 Jun 2022, at 18:08, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> I think its time for the VoiceDream developer to take a moment to think about 
> how braille could be implemented properly.
> Though I am not the right person to explain this as I am not the best in 
> English, even though I do understand it and can read and write a lot.
> But its a pain to explain such things properly translating Swedish to English 
> directly from my head.
> /A
> 
>> 22 juni 2022 kl. 07:20 skrev 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Yes, I have finally found the area and i was able to read the text with the 
>> Braille display but as soon as I move away from that area, and then return 
>> to the text, I find myself at the beginning of the book again.  Voice Dream 
>> Reader forr Mac doesn’t remember where you left off with the Braille 
>> display.  I have been wondering whether there’s a way Voiceover/keyboard 
>> focus could track Braille cursor if there is such a thing. :)
>> 
>> Andrew
>> 
>>> On 21 Jun 2022, at 19:43, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> It was a bit of an issue in the beta but  there should be some area to 
>>> interact with from what I remember.
>>> I don’t have it as he has a monthly subscription which I don’t want so I 
>>> trashed it on my Mac.
>>> Sad but it is what it is.
>>> /A
>>> 
 21 juni 2022 kl. 10:33 skrev 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
 :
 
 Yes, when I hit the spacebar, Voice Dream Reader for Desktop begins to 
 read the book but I can’t locate the text which it is reading and thus I 
 can’t mute voiceover and read by using my refreshable Braille display.  I 
 have asked the developer but he doesn’t seem to know as he says he doesn’t 
 have a Braille display.  This is a bit of a drawback for me as I like on 
 occasion to read quietly; reading using Braille is a completely different 
 experience for me.  I think on an IPhone one can use a Braille display and 
 you can actually touch the text with your finger.  On the mac, I can’t 
 find the text being read anywhere.
 
 Andrew 
 
> On 20 Jun 2022, at 23:24, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> Does it read if you hit the play button? 
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2022, at 16:00, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hello,
>> 
>> Is it possible to read books and documents imported to voice dream 
>> reader for mac desktop using refreshable Braille display?
>> 
>> I’ve been trying to find a way to do this but have thus far failed.
>> 
>> Andrew
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Re: An active Voice Dream Reader subscription on Mac

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

I”m not quite sure but when did yu subscribe to the application?  The first two 
weeks are free so if you had subscribed before the two weeks are up, maybe your 
subscription is not valid yet. 

Andrew 

> On 22 Jun 2022, at 17:44, Tibor Niesner  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have an interresting thing. The Voice Dream Reader shows an active 
> subscription in app preferences. But when I look at the subscriptions in 
> iCloud settings, there are not any active subscriptions.
> It shows me after the last update.
> 
> I don’t understand it. 
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Re: Working around MS Word

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,I think that you might be running on old information about Microsoft Word. It is very accessible on the Mac now. But, if you do want to move docs back-and-forth between word, and an app, Pages is very accessible, and can import and export to Microsoft Word easily.Later…Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 22, 2022, at 11:45 AM, Andrew Leland  wrote:Here’s another question for the group:One of the main reasons I’m considering abandoning MacOS for Windows is that I have to send and receive MS Word docs, often with track changes and comments. I primarily work in Scrivener and export to Word, but I can’t give up word entirely because I need to be able to check the formatting of the exported docx, and process tracked changes and comments on files I’m receiving. Does anyone know of a way to bring a .docx with track changes and comments into a more accessible program than Word on the Mac? Like maybe Apple Pages? Trying to think of a way that I don’t have to switch to Windows, though I’m sort of resigned to that fate considering everything I know about MS Word for MacOS...Thanks and high fives all around,Andrew	On Jun 22, 2022, at 2:17 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:Hi Andrew,I’m sorry to hear you are getting blind. Ask as much as you want here in this list. A lot of great experts share their knowledge. You could also have a look on applevis.com. Very rich.Press CMD + Option + v instead of just CMD + v to move an element in the Finder.Scrivener for Mac is also a great tool which is quite accessible to VoiceOver. Unfortunately Word isn’t as accessible as it could be. In this point I’m very disappointed from Microsoft. They could really do better.All the bestJürgenAm 22.06.2022 um 20:07 schrieb Andrew Leland :Hey all,I'm a lifelong sighted Mac user currently in the process of becoming a blind Mac user. I've also decided to learn JAWS (even though I would've never dream of switching to Windows otherwise) since I can't avoid MS Word in my work and I've been gobsmacked by how frequently Word for Mac stops working compared to Scrivener, which is my main workhorse word processor. (also finding some of the JAWS navigation, especially on the web, more reliable and intuitive than VoiceOver for MacOS).Anyway none of this has anything to do with my question for you, which is as follows: is there any way to move items in the finder without just copying, deleting, then pasting in the new location? I know in Windows you can "cut" a file and then "paste" it elsewhere, removing this middle step of having to then go back and delete the file... I have half-heartedly tried reading the apple documentation about dragging and dropping with VoiceOver but I haven't had the courage to try. is it more efficient than copy file, paste file, delete file in the finder?thanks, and thanks for including me in this group!Andrew Lelandalel...@gmail.com-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/842844b8-a378-470e-8a43-7a2157847c1en%40googlegroups.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/57558F98-44C3-431D-AD7A-0606387A2057%40fleger.net.



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Re: word processing beyond MS Word

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi Andrew,

to be honnest: Using Pages and exporting to Word works but I’d never rely on it 
fully. I’d use Pages and asked a sighted assistant afterwards. You could ask 
your own assistant or you could use a service like Aira for iPhone to check 
whether the layout looks well. But all in all exporting from Pages works fine. 
It depends how suffisticated the layout might be.

All the best
Jürgen



> Am 22.06.2022 um 20:49 schrieb Andrew Leland :
> 
> Here’s another question for the group:
> 
> One of the main reasons I’m considering abandoning MacOS for Windows is that 
> I have to send and receive MS Word docs, often with track changes and 
> comments. I primarily work in Scrivener and export to Word, but I can’t give 
> up word entirely because I need to be able to check the formatting of the 
> exported docx, and process tracked changes and comments on files I’m 
> receiving. Does anyone know of a way to bring a .docx with track changes and 
> comments into a more accessible program than Word on the Mac? Like maybe 
> Apple Pages? Trying to think of a way that I don’t have to switch to Windows, 
> though I’m sort of resigned to that fate considering everything I know about 
> MS Word for MacOS...
> 
> Thanks and high fives all around,
> Andrew
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Re: Working around MS Word

[Jürgen Fleger]

Sorry Tim, Word for Mac works terrible. Reading a simple text might work but in 
the moment a document is more suffisticated or very long Word doesn’t work very 
well.
In my opinion Outlook is the only app which works quite well using VoiceOver. 
Jürgen
> Am 22.06.2022 um 21:51 schrieb 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I think that you might be running on old information about Microsoft Word. It 
> is very accessible on the Mac now. But, if you do want to move docs 
> back-and-forth between word, and an app, Pages is very accessible, and can 
> import and export to Microsoft Word easily.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 11:45 AM, Andrew Leland  wrote:
>> 
>> Here’s another question for the group:
>> 
>> One of the main reasons I’m considering abandoning MacOS for Windows is that 
>> I have to send and receive MS Word docs, often with track changes and 
>> comments. I primarily work in Scrivener and export to Word, but I can’t give 
>> up word entirely because I need to be able to check the formatting of the 
>> exported docx, and process tracked changes and comments on files I’m 
>> receiving. Does anyone know of a way to bring a .docx with track changes and 
>> comments into a more accessible program than Word on the Mac? Like maybe 
>> Apple Pages? Trying to think of a way that I don’t have to switch to 
>> Windows, though I’m sort of resigned to that fate considering everything I 
>> know about MS Word for MacOS...
>> 
>> Thanks and high fives all around,
>> Andrew
>>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 2:17 PM, Jürgen Fleger >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Andrew,
>>> 
>>> I’m sorry to hear you are getting blind. Ask as much as you want here in 
>>> this list. A lot of great experts share their knowledge. You could also 
>>> have a look on applevis.com . Very rich.
>>> 
>>> Press CMD + Option + v instead of just CMD + v to move an element in the 
>>> Finder.
>>> 
>>> Scrivener for Mac is also a great tool which is quite accessible to 
>>> VoiceOver. Unfortunately Word isn’t as accessible as it could be. In this 
>>> point I’m very disappointed from Microsoft. They could really do better.
>>> 
>>> All the best
>>> Jürgen
>>> 
>>> 
 Am 22.06.2022 um 20:07 schrieb Andrew Leland >>> >:
 
 Hey all,
 
 I'm a lifelong sighted Mac user currently in the process of becoming a 
 blind Mac user. I've also decided to learn JAWS (even though I would've 
 never dream of switching to Windows otherwise) since I can't avoid MS Word 
 in my work and I've been gobsmacked by how frequently Word for Mac stops 
 working compared to Scrivener, which is my main workhorse word processor. 
 (also finding some of the JAWS navigation, especially on the web, more 
 reliable and intuitive than VoiceOver for MacOS).
 
 Anyway none of this has anything to do with my question for you, which is 
 as follows: 
 
 is there any way to move items in the finder without just copying, 
 deleting, then pasting in the new location? I know in Windows you can 
 "cut" a file and then "paste" it elsewhere, removing this middle step of 
 having to then go back and delete the file... I have half-heartedly tried 
 reading the apple documentation about dragging and dropping with VoiceOver 
 but I haven't had the courage to try. is it more efficient than copy file, 
 paste file, delete file in the finder?
 
 thanks, and thanks for including me in this group!
 Andrew Leland
 alel...@gmail.com 
 
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Re: Working around MS Word

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,Works fine for me.  Later... Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 22, 2022, at 1:00 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:Sorry Tim, Word for Mac works terrible. Reading a simple text might work but in the moment a document is more suffisticated or very long Word doesn’t work very well.In my opinion Outlook is the only app which works quite well using VoiceOver. JürgenAm 22.06.2022 um 21:51 schrieb 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries :Hi,I think that you might be running on old information about Microsoft Word. It is very accessible on the Mac now. But, if you do want to move docs back-and-forth between word, and an app, Pages is very accessible, and can import and export to Microsoft Word easily.Later…Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 22, 2022, at 11:45 AM, Andrew Leland  wrote:Here’s another question for the group:One of the main reasons I’m considering abandoning MacOS for Windows is that I have to send and receive MS Word docs, often with track changes and comments. I primarily work in Scrivener and export to Word, but I can’t give up word entirely because I need to be able to check the formatting of the exported docx, and process tracked changes and comments on files I’m receiving. Does anyone know of a way to bring a .docx with track changes and comments into a more accessible program than Word on the Mac? Like maybe Apple Pages? Trying to think of a way that I don’t have to switch to Windows, though I’m sort of resigned to that fate considering everything I know about MS Word for MacOS...Thanks and high fives all around,Andrew	On Jun 22, 2022, at 2:17 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:Hi Andrew,I’m sorry to hear you are getting blind. Ask as much as you want here in this list. A lot of great experts share their knowledge. You could also have a look on applevis.com. Very rich.Press CMD + Option + v instead of just CMD + v to move an element in the Finder.Scrivener for Mac is also a great tool which is quite accessible to VoiceOver. Unfortunately Word isn’t as accessible as it could be. In this point I’m very disappointed from Microsoft. They could really do better.All the bestJürgenAm 22.06.2022 um 20:07 schrieb Andrew Leland :Hey all,I'm a lifelong sighted Mac user currently in the process of becoming a blind Mac user. I've also decided to learn JAWS (even though I would've never dream of switching to Windows otherwise) since I can't avoid MS Word in my work and I've been gobsmacked by how frequently Word for Mac stops working compared to Scrivener, which is my main workhorse word processor. (also finding some of the JAWS navigation, especially on the web, more reliable and intuitive than VoiceOver for MacOS).Anyway none of this has anything to do with my question for you, which is as follows: is there any way to move items in the finder without just copying, deleting, then pasting in the new location? I know in Windows you can "cut" a file and then "paste" it elsewhere, removing this middle step of having to then go back and delete the file... I have half-heartedly tried reading the apple documentation about dragging and dropping with VoiceOver but I haven't had the courage to try. is it more efficient than copy file, paste file, delete file in the finder?thanks, and thanks for including me in this group!Andrew Lelandalel...@gmail.com-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/842844b8-a378-470e-8a43-7a2157847c1en%40googlegroups.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe fr

Fwd: Is Voiceover broken in HomeKit in IOS?; Follow-up: 802217366

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

After my emails last week regarding Homekit, I decided to email Apple 
Accessibility.  Here is their response.  I’m relieved to know that the problem 
wasn’t on my end, but I sure hope that Apple can create a fix for it soon.
Cheers,
Donna

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Apple Accessibility 
> Subject: Re: Is Voiceover broken in HomeKit in IOS?; Follow-up: 802217366
> Date: June 22, 2022 at 11:54:37 AM CDT
> To: doniado...@me.com
> 
> Hello Donna,
> 
> Thank you for your email. We appreciate the feedback and wanted to let you 
> know that Apple is currently investigating this issue. Unfortunately, we were 
> not able to identify a means of activating the More Options button with 
> VoiceOver during our testing. 
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Apple Accessibility
> 
> On June 16, 2022 at 21:21:18 PM GMT, doniado...@me.com 
>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I am trying to add a Sonos speaker to my home using my iPhone 12 mini 
>> running latest IOS.  Sonos speakers do not have a QR code, so I need to 
>> access the Do Not Have a Code or Cannot Scan option.  It appears that that 
>> option is no longer available from the add accessories screen.  Has that 
>> been removed?  I do see an option that speaks and displays “Scan the code or 
>> hold iPhone near the Accessory.  More options”. The words More Options 
>> suggest that this is intended to be a button, but when I tap it, nothing 
>> happens.  Is it supposed to be a button?  Is Voiceover not accessing it?  In 
>> that case, how can I add my speaker?
>> Thank you,
>> Donna

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Re: Working around MS Word

[John Panarese]

  I agree, Tim. It works well. I have been made to work with sophisticated 
documents and it is surprisingly accessible.


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> On Jun 22, 2022, at 4:03 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Works fine for me. 
> 
>  Later... 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 1:00 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
>> 
>> Sorry Tim, Word for Mac works terrible. Reading a simple text might work 
>> but in the moment a document is more suffisticated or very long Word doesn’t 
>> work very well.
>> In my opinion Outlook is the only app which works quite well using 
>> VoiceOver. 
>> Jürgen
>>> Am 22.06.2022 um 21:51 schrieb 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I think that you might be running on old information about Microsoft Word. 
>>> It is very accessible on the Mac now. But, if you do want to move docs 
>>> back-and-forth between word, and an app, Pages is very accessible, and can 
>>> import and export to Microsoft Word easily.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 22, 2022, at 11:45 AM, Andrew Leland >>> > wrote:
 
 Here’s another question for the group:
 
 One of the main reasons I’m considering abandoning MacOS for Windows is 
 that I have to send and receive MS Word docs, often with track changes and 
 comments. I primarily work in Scrivener and export to Word, but I can’t 
 give up word entirely because I need to be able to check the formatting of 
 the exported docx, and process tracked changes and comments on files I’m 
 receiving. Does anyone know of a way to bring a .docx with track changes 
 and comments into a more accessible program than Word on the Mac? Like 
 maybe Apple Pages? Trying to think of a way that I don’t have to switch to 
 Windows, though I’m sort of resigned to that fate considering everything I 
 know about MS Word for MacOS...
 
 Thanks and high fives all around,
 Andrew
>   On Jun 22, 2022, at 2:17 PM, Jürgen Fleger  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> I’m sorry to hear you are getting blind. Ask as much as you want here in 
> this list. A lot of great experts share their knowledge. You could also 
> have a look on applevis.com . Very rich.
> 
> Press CMD + Option + v instead of just CMD + v to move an element in the 
> Finder.
> 
> Scrivener for Mac is also a great tool which is quite accessible to 
> VoiceOver. Unfortunately Word isn’t as accessible as it could be. In this 
> point I’m very disappointed from Microsoft. They could really do better.
> 
> All the best
> Jürgen
> 
> 
>> Am 22.06.2022 um 20:07 schrieb Andrew Leland > >:
>> 
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> I'm a lifelong sighted Mac user currently in the process of becoming a 
>> blind Mac user. I've also decided to learn JAWS (even though I would've 
>> never dream of switching to Windows otherwise) since I can't avoid MS 
>> Word in my work and I've been gobsmacked by how frequently Word for Mac 
>> stops working compared to Scrivener, which is my main workhorse word 
>> processor. (also finding some of the JAWS navigation, especially on the 
>> web, more reliable and intuitive than VoiceOver for MacOS).
>> 
>> Anyway none of this has anything to do with my question for you, which 
>> is as follows: 
>> 
>> is there any way to move items in the finder without just copying, 
>> deleting, then pasting in the new location? I know in Windows you can 
>> "cut" a file and then "paste" it elsewhere, removing this middle step of 
>> having to then go back and delete the file... I have half-heartedly 
>> tried reading the apple documentation about dragging and dropping with 
>> VoiceOver but I haven't had the courage to try. is it more efficient 
>> than copy file, paste file, delete file in the finder?
>> 
>> thanks, and thanks for including me in this group!
>> Andrew Leland
>> alel...@gmail.com 
>> 
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Re: Mac Mail app problem "This mail has no content"" Help please

[Lorie McCloud]

I have a similar problem. for some reason my mail just does not load. I've been 
experimenting and I've found that to hit enter twice instead of once when I 
open the mail will load the message content often.

> On Jun 22, 2022, at 10:29 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi there, I am getting the above message in mail from time to time. It is 
> mostly from one email sender but not exclusively. When I try to enter the 
> mail area I get “text”, but nothing else. I have been told by a sighted 
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> any link to click. 
> I have been through various settings and remote content blocking isn’t 
> selected. I am using AOL mail and this is intermittent. If I use my Iphone 
> then the message is there to read.
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Re: Mac Mail app problem "This mail has no content"" Help please

['Ron S' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Tim, thanks for the reply, but time doesn’t make any difference, Ron.


> On 22 Jun 2022, at 18:00, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> Just give it some time to load and that will go away. 
> 
> Later... 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 8:29 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi there, I am getting the above message in mail from time to time. It is 
>> mostly from one email sender but not exclusively. When I try to enter the 
>> mail area I get “text”, but nothing else. I have been told by a sighted 
>> person that there is a link saying something like “click to download 
>> content” and if clicked it does download the message. However voiceover does 
>> not see any link to click. 
>> I have been through various settings and remote content blocking isn’t 
>> selected. I am using AOL mail and this is intermittent. If I use my Iphone 
>> then the message is there to read.
>> I thought this had been mentioned before but I cannot find it in the 
>> archives.
>> Any advice would be appreciated, Ron.
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Re: Mac Mail app problem "This mail has no content"" Help please

['Ron S' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Lorie, thanks for the reply but unfortunately that didn’t work for me. Ron.



> On 22 Jun 2022, at 22:15, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I have a similar problem. for some reason my mail just does not load. I've 
> been experimenting and I've found that to hit enter twice instead of once 
> when I open the mail will load the message content often.
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 10:29 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> Hi there, I am getting the above message in mail from time to time. It is 
>> mostly from one email sender but not exclusively. When I try to enter the 
>> mail area I get “text”, but nothing else. I have been told by a sighted 
>> person that there is a link saying something like “click to download 
>> content” and if clicked it does download the message. However voiceover does 
>> not see any link to click. 
>> I have been through various settings and remote content blocking isn’t 
>> selected. I am using AOL mail and this is intermittent. If I use my Iphone 
>> then the message is there to read.
>> I thought this had been mentioned before but I cannot find it in the 
>> archives.
>> Any advice would be appreciated, Ron.
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Re: Mac Mail app problem "This mail has no content"" Help please

[Lorie McCloud]

yes my experience too. sometimes I have to wait for 5 min. or more and 
sometimes it never loads.

> On Jun 22, 2022, at 4:25 PM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi Tim, thanks for the reply, but time doesn’t make any difference, Ron.
> 
> 
>> On 22 Jun 2022, at 18:00, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> Just give it some time to load and that will go away. 
>> 
>> Later... 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 8:29 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi there, I am getting the above message in mail from time to time. It is 
>>> mostly from one email sender but not exclusively. When I try to enter the 
>>> mail area I get “text”, but nothing else. I have been told by a sighted 
>>> person that there is a link saying something like “click to download 
>>> content” and if clicked it does download the message. However voiceover 
>>> does not see any link to click. 
>>> I have been through various settings and remote content blocking isn’t 
>>> selected. I am using AOL mail and this is intermittent. If I use my Iphone 
>>> then the message is there to read.
>>> I thought this had been mentioned before but I cannot find it in the 
>>> archives.
>>> Any advice would be appreciated, Ron.
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Re: Working around MS Word

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

Recent versions have improved somewhat in their accessibility.
Make sure you’re using the latest Office 365, monthly channel, for the best 
that Microsoft Word for Mac currently offers to the VoiceOver user. Old 
versions are definitely problematic.

> On 22 Jun, 2022, at 16:57, John Panarese  wrote:
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>   I agree, Tim. It works well. I have been made to work with sophisticated 
> documents and it is surprisingly accessible.
> 
> 
> Take Care
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>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 4:03 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> Works fine for me. 
>> 
>>  Later... 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 1:00 PM, Jürgen Fleger >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sorry Tim, Word for Mac works terrible. Reading a simple text might work 
>>> but in the moment a document is more suffisticated or very long Word 
>>> doesn’t work very well.
>>> In my opinion Outlook is the only app which works quite well using 
>>> VoiceOver. 
>>> Jürgen
 Am 22.06.2022 um 21:51 schrieb 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
 
 Hi,
 
 I think that you might be running on old information about Microsoft Word. 
 It is very accessible on the Mac now. But, if you do want to move docs 
 back-and-forth between word, and an app, Pages is very accessible, and can 
 import and export to Microsoft Word easily.
 
 Later…
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jun 22, 2022, at 11:45 AM, Andrew Leland  > wrote:
> 
> Here’s another question for the group:
> 
> One of the main reasons I’m considering abandoning MacOS for Windows is 
> that I have to send and receive MS Word docs, often with track changes 
> and comments. I primarily work in Scrivener and export to Word, but I 
> can’t give up word entirely because I need to be able to check the 
> formatting of the exported docx, and process tracked changes and comments 
> on files I’m receiving. Does anyone know of a way to bring a .docx with 
> track changes and comments into a more accessible program than Word on 
> the Mac? Like maybe Apple Pages? Trying to think of a way that I don’t 
> have to switch to Windows, though I’m sort of resigned to that fate 
> considering everything I know about MS Word for MacOS...
> 
> Thanks and high fives all around,
> Andrew
>>  On Jun 22, 2022, at 2:17 PM, Jürgen Fleger > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Andrew,
>> 
>> I’m sorry to hear you are getting blind. Ask as much as you want here in 
>> this list. A lot of great experts share their knowledge. You could also 
>> have a look on applevis.com . Very rich.
>> 
>> Press CMD + Option + v instead of just CMD + v to move an element in the 
>> Finder.
>> 
>> Scrivener for Mac is also a great tool which is quite accessible to 
>> VoiceOver. Unfortunately Word isn’t as accessible as it could be. In 
>> this point I’m very disappointed from Microsoft. They could really do 
>> better.
>> 
>> All the best
>> Jürgen
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 22.06.2022 um 20:07 schrieb Andrew Leland >> >:
>>> 
>>> Hey all,
>>> 
>>> I'm a lifelong sighted Mac user currently in the process of becoming a 
>>> blind Mac user. I've also decided to learn JAWS (even though I would've 
>>> never dream of switching to Windows otherwise) since I can't avoid MS 
>>> Word in my work and I've been gobsmacked by how frequently Word for Mac 
>>> stops working compared to Scrivener, which is my main workhorse word 
>>> processor. (also finding some of the JAWS navigation, especially on the 
>>> web, more reliable and intuitive than VoiceOver for MacOS).
>>> 
>>> Anyway none of this has anything to do with my question for you, which 
>>> is as follows: 
>>> 
>>> is there any way to move items in the finder without just copying, 
>>> deleting, then pasting in the new location? I know in Windows you can 
>>> "cut" a file and then "paste" it elsewhere, removing this middle step 
>>> of having to then go back and delete the file... I have half-heartedly 
>>> tried reading the apple documentation about dragging and dropping with 
>>> VoiceOver but I haven't had the courage to try. is it more efficient 
>>> than copy file, paste file, delete file in the finder?
>>> 
>>> t

Re: Voice Dream Reader for mac and Braille display

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi Andrew,
actually answering the second question as well.
Lynx is a browser, and there is a compiled edition  that, according to 
their  website  works for mac os x.
As stated, not only am I not using the mac for what I shared,   working 
from the idea that a mac browser could load a file, much as in Linux, but 
I am not a braille user either.
At the time of my writing this email, I am waiting to hear back from the 
Lynx development  list, the browser gets updated regularly, to confirm 
the last edition of Macos the  compiles are firm with.
One member states that the compiles simple work, but I wish greater 
confirmation for   you.

best,
Karen



On Wed, 22 Jun 2022, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Karen,  May I ask what Lynx is and what its equivalent for mac is?

Andrew


On 21 Jun 2022, at 22:25, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Hi Andrew,
Certainly.
Let me preface that I am *not* using the mac to accomplish this task, but 
cannot imagine why the process would not be comparative, its just a file.
Also, for my own record keeping I tend to change the name when I save the file 
to a .txt from the .XML source.

For my explanation lets pretend you have a copy of say John Steinbeck's east of 
Eden.
when the zip archive is unpacked then you will have several files that contain 
the title, with proper capitalization, including one that says
East_of_Eden.XML
Again I unpack the zip file in its own directory or folder, so to avoid 
confusion with other common files bookshare sends every time.
once unpacked I simply type the file name into my browser.
As I use a shell service based on Ubuntu Linux I have several lower graphics 
options. To keep the explanation simple, I might type
lynx east_of_Eden.XML
I could even use a wildcard if the title is especially long, something like
lynx East_*.XML
the result is for me the same.
my browser presents what is actually already a text edition of the file, 
displaying XML, much as it displays .html files.
because the browser also, when properly compiled even for the Mac, has the 
option to save to a local file, or email the file, I can, after choosing this 
command and saving the file to what I wish, say eastofe.txt
You can choose whatever file name works for you, using .txt as the extension.
What happens next though depends on how you read regular text files with your 
braille display.
I suppose? in theory you could even read in your browser if desired.
For the record, as shared, there is a mac edition of lynx, if actually using 
the tool resonates.
Sing out if you have more questions.
Kare



On Tue, 21 Jun 2022, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Karen,

I???m intrigued by the way you deal with DAISY in this way. I wasn???t aware 
that .xml file actually holds the text of the book so I didn???t dare play with 
them. Could you describe the steps you take loading such files into your 
browser? do I understand you correctly?

Andrew


On 21 Jun 2022, at 15:39, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Bookshare provides a format called Daisy text. In the zip archive is a .XML 
file which is the actual text itself.
i am not a braille user, but do wonder if you loaded the XML file into 
something like tables if it could be read that way?
Personally I take mine, load them into a browser, save them as text and read 
them in my word processor.



On Tue, 21 Jun 2022, Julie Rattray wrote:


Ah ok that makes sense I haven???t had a daisy for a while does it show the 
actual text


On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:52, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>> wrote:

These are DAISY books from bookshare.org >>>, hence I can???t read them in books app or Preview or some such.

Andrew


On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:35, Julie Rattray mailto:julierattra...@gmail.com>>>