Re: Monterey: Voiceover at Logon

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   System preferences, Users and Groups, Login Options in the let 
table, click the lock, find the Accessibility button, there it is in the 
table.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
will make violent revolution inevitable."
 --John F. Kennedy
My e-Mail:
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/19/2022 10:21 PM, Dave Carlson wrote:

Okay, I’ve managed to forget again. When Monterey starts, VoiceOver does not 
come up speaking. I need to manipulate the touch pad to get it conversing.
Where is the place I need to go to have it awake at logon?

Dave Carlson
Engineer, Farfar, Woodworker, Pioneer, Musician, and Oregonian






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Open Twitter space is from my iPhone.

[Steve Z.]

Hi list,
My question is how can I open a space on Twitter from my iPhone. I read the 
tutorial that says long press on the tweet button, but it doesn’t work.
Any suggestions how to do it?
Thanks

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Re: Open Twitter space is from my iPhone.

[Steve Z.]

Actually by opening I mean create a space.

> 20 Ιουν 2022, 6:25 μμ, ο χρήστης «Steve Z. » έγραψε:
> 
> Hi list,
> My question is how can I open a space on Twitter from my iPhone. I read the 
> tutorial that says long press on the tweet button, but it doesn’t work.
> Any suggestions how to do it?
> Thanks
> 

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Voices in new OS.

[Jonathan Cohn]

Karen and all,
Have you listened to either the AppleVis or Jonathan Mosen podcast 
demonstrating the new voices that are available in beta Apple operating systems?
They have even broght Eloquence to IOS.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jun 15, 2022, at 15:57, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Which in one case requires one have more than one product.
> By way of example, I have yet to find an iOS voice that does not trigger the 
> dizziness aspect of my auditory processing condition.
> It is one reason why I wanted an older mac, and why I am, after years of 
> being on this list, only now in a position to really  use apple products at 
> all.
> My point is that inclusion also means choices, and limiting choices because 
> of how a person's body works, is not inclusion..at all.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
> 
>> Newer Macintosh computers have a fingerprint sensor and even older machines, 
>> can be unlocked if you are wearing an Apple Watch.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 15, 2022, at 12:05 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> hi Tim,
>>> Please share what you learn.  Just got off the phone with main apple 
>>> support, the time window is only 8 hours, which is just not  suitable for 
>>> me as I learn this machine.
>>> As shared I have no issues with the data  not being presented, with 
>>> practice I will likely be fine.
>>> but as I just shared with my apple rep, you expect someone like the late 
>>> Stephen Hawking to  have someone  provide his log in password every 8 hours?
>>> If there is not an existing work-around for that population, one should be 
>>> created, even if hidden in the  security privacy  area, an alternative way 
>>> to provide password  at log in, or something of that sort.
>>> best,
>>> Karen
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Whether it’s a VoiceOver user or a sighted user, they will not be able to 
 see what is being entered.  Yes, on some web-sites, there is a “Show 
 Password” option, but this is not the case for the Login screen.  You do 
 bring up some good points, although I’m not sure I know a workaround for 
 them.  Even with newer versions of the computer, and newer versions of the 
 MacOS there are things like the fingerprint sensor.  The limitation here 
 is still that the full entry of the password is required after restart or 
 logout for security reasons.  I will need to check with someone at Apple 
 if there’s some other way that I’m not aware of that would allow for 
 password entry for someone with dexterity challenges.
 
 Later…
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
>> On Jun 15, 2022, at 09:18, Karen Lewellen  
>> wrote:
> 
> Tim,
> Thanks as always.
> When I spoke to apple accessibility I asked a question.
> since voiceover is not providing input, if one is new to the mac, or used 
> to  a larger keyboard, mistakes are quite likely.
> however, what happens if someone cannot type at all?  the system does not 
> let you speak your password either, which speaking personally seems like 
> rather a barrier for those experiencing motor challenges.
> While I respect the risk idea, I am more bothered by the noninclusive 
> nature of the door if that resonates.
> If I could say set the requirement for once every 90 days, giving me more 
> time to either manage this keyboard or add an external  one it would be 
> one thing.
> As it is now, the problem prevents me from moving forward, and I cannot 
> resonate with that  situation.
> Kare
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> There are trusted developers that are built in to the system, as well as 
>> you being able to tell the MacOS if you want to “Trust” a specific 
>> web-site for downloads.  Leaving the setting to App Store and Trusted 
>> Developers is your best option.  Regarding the locking of the screen 
>> after sleep or screen saver, yes, indeed this can be configured.  I’ll 
>> preface this by saying that when you disable this feature, you are 
>> leaving your Mac open to security breaches.  That being said, if you are 
>> comfortable with that risk, or have other physical reasons for 
>> preferring your Mac not to behave this way, then the setting is in the 
>> Security & Privacy pane of System Preferences under the General tab.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 15, 2022, at 08:26, K

Re: Accessing notifications

[Jonathan Cohn]

Perhaps if you go into the Notifications and  Focus area of System Preferences 
and change your notifications to alert instead of banner, you will get the Big 
Sur behavior?

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jun 12, 2022, at 12:07, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Huh.  I don’t know what to tell you, but it was different for me in Big Sur.  
> Maybe there was some setting that was different.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jun 12, 2022, at 9:28 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, there's no reason why it should be any different on your machine 
>> running big serve than it is when running Monterey. It is the same on both 
>> of my machines.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Jun 12, 2022, at 08:16, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Actually, Brad, for me it is different.  In Big Sur, the focus was 
>> automatically placed there.  I did not have to press VO N.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jun 11, 2022, at 5:20 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Actually, if there is an on screen notification, you should be able to 
>>> place focus on the notification by pressing VO + N, then use your Down 
>>> Arrow key to select the desired notification.
>>> Once selected, you can use the Actions Menu (VO + CMD + Spacebar) to select 
>>> the desired action.
>>> This is no different than what was done in big Sur.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 11, 2022, at 17:12, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Open Calendar, go to its preferences, interact with toolbar, select Alerts. 
>>> You will find what you need there.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>>> --John F. Kennedy
>>> My e-Mail:
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 6/11/2022 3:06 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
 Hi all,
 Ever since upgrading to Monterrey, when I open the lid on my M1 MacBook 
 Air and get a calendar notification, I don’t seem to be able to access it 
 to make it go away.  Under Big Sur, I used to be able to press 
 VO-CMD-space, and dismiss the notification.  But now, if I do that, the 
 focus is on whatever app is highlighted on my desktop, so I’m unable to do 
 anything with the calendar notification.  Anyone know how I can dismiss 
 these in Monterrey?
 Thanks,
 Donna
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Re: Open Twitter space is from my iPhone.

[Brett Lewis]

Hi,
The compose tweet button has actions associated with it, so if you select 
actions in the rotor and swipe up/down you should find create a new space.
Let me know if that doesn't work for some reason.
Brett





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>
>
> Actually by opening I mean create a space.
>
> > 20 Ιουν 2022, 6:25 μμ, ο χρήστης «Steve Z. gret...@gmail.com» έγραψε:
> >
> > Hi list,
> > My question is how can I open a space on Twitter from my iPhone. I read the 
> > tutorial that says long press on the tweet button, but it doesn’t work.
> > Any suggestions how to do it?
> > Thanks
>
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Copying and pasting a link from an email message on my iPhone

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

I need to copy a link from an email message, and pasted into a text message. 
I’m not seeing any options to do that either by using the rotor or going in to 
the edit or actions menu. How does one select and copy a link from a male 
message on the iPhone?
Thanks,
Donna

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Re: Copying and pasting a link from an email message on my iPhone

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi Donna,
have you tried a one finger tripple tap on the link yet? I haven’t recently 
because I’m sitting on my Mac. But give it a try.
All the best
 Am 20.06.2022 um 17:58 schrieb 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
> 
> I need to copy a link from an email message, and pasted into a text message. 
> I’m not seeing any options to do that either by using the rotor or going in 
> to the edit or actions menu. How does one select and copy a link from a male 
> message on the iPhone?
> Thanks,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Copying and pasting a link from an email message on my iPhone

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hey, that worked. It was a little confusing, because it opened up a preview 
window. But once I looked at the toolbar I could find the copy link button.
Thanks,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2022, at 11:02 AM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> have you tried a one finger tripple tap on the link yet? I haven’t recently 
> because I’m sitting on my Mac. But give it a try.
> All the best
>  
> 
>> Am 20.06.2022 um 17:58 schrieb 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I need to copy a link from an email message, and pasted into a text message. 
>> I’m not seeing any options to do that either by using the rotor or going in 
>> to the edit or actions menu. How does one select and copy a link from a male 
>> message on the iPhone?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Voices in new OS.

[Karen Lewellen]

Jonathan
,
auditory processing is a brain injury, I am not about to listen to 
anything,  provided in an environment, that might put me in hospital.

given even IOS and windows settings make me dizzy, the answer is no.
At this point I am feeling the default voice provided  with this mid 2012 
installation of Catalina will be just fine with practice.  Especially as I 
make slight adjustments.
Far more  concerned about the  combination of keystrokes required, and 
although I am sure it is here somewhere, how to repeat what vo has just 
said?
Practice makes more comfortable, even if I doubt this is likely to become 
my main machine any time soon..I love typing at 85 words a minute, and not 
taking my hands off the keys too much laughs.

Thanks for the question, and the consideration though!
Karen



On Mon, 20 Jun 2022, Jonathan Cohn wrote:


Karen and all,
Have you listened to either the AppleVis or Jonathan Mosen podcast 
demonstrating the new voices that are available in beta Apple operating systems?
They have even broght Eloquence to IOS.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn




On Jun 15, 2022, at 15:57, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Which in one case requires one have more than one product.
By way of example, I have yet to find an iOS voice that does not trigger the 
dizziness aspect of my auditory processing condition.
It is one reason why I wanted an older mac, and why I am, after years of being 
on this list, only now in a position to really  use apple products at all.
My point is that inclusion also means choices, and limiting choices because of 
how a person's body works, is not inclusion..at all.



On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:


Newer Macintosh computers have a fingerprint sensor and even older machines, 
can be unlocked if you are wearing an Apple Watch.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 15, 2022, at 12:05 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

???hi Tim,
Please share what you learn.  Just got off the phone with main apple support, 
the time window is only 8 hours, which is just not  suitable for me as I learn 
this machine.
As shared I have no issues with the data  not being presented, with practice I 
will likely be fine.
but as I just shared with my apple rep, you expect someone like the late 
Stephen Hawking to  have someone  provide his log in password every 8 hours?
If there is not an existing work-around for that population, one should be 
created, even if hidden in the  security privacy  area, an alternative way to 
provide password  at log in, or something of that sort.
best,
Karen




On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,

Whether it???s a VoiceOver user or a sighted user, they will not be able to see 
what is being entered.  Yes, on some web-sites, there is a ???Show Password??? 
option, but this is not the case for the Login screen.  You do bring up some 
good points, although I???m not sure I know a workaround for them.  Even with 
newer versions of the computer, and newer versions of the MacOS there are 
things like the fingerprint sensor.  The limitation here is still that the full 
entry of the password is required after restart or logout for security reasons. 
 I will need to check with someone at Apple if there???s some other way that 
I???m not aware of that would allow for password entry for someone with 
dexterity challenges.

Later???


Tim Kilburn
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Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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On Jun 15, 2022, at 09:18, Karen Lewellen  wrote:


Tim,
Thanks as always.
When I spoke to apple accessibility I asked a question.
since voiceover is not providing input, if one is new to the mac, or used to  a 
larger keyboard, mistakes are quite likely.
however, what happens if someone cannot type at all?  the system does not let 
you speak your password either, which speaking personally seems like rather a 
barrier for those experiencing motor challenges.
While I respect the risk idea, I am more bothered by the noninclusive nature of 
the door if that resonates.
If I could say set the requirement for once every 90 days, giving me more time 
to either manage this keyboard or add an external  one it would be one thing.
As it is now, the problem prevents me from moving forward, and I cannot 
resonate with that  situation.
Kare




On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:



Hi,

There are trusted developers that are built in to the system, as well as you being 
able to tell the MacOS if you want to ???Trust??? a specific web-site for 
downloads.  Leaving the setting to App Store and Trusted Developers is your best 
option.  Regarding the locking of the screen after sleep or screen saver, yes, 
indeed this can be configured.  I???ll preface this by saying that when you disable 
this feature, you are leaving your Mac open to security breaches.  That being said, 
if you are comfortable with that risk, or have other physical reasons for 
preferring

Re: Problem with using Mail in Big Sur 11.5 in later

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

On 18/6/22 10:10, Pat Pound wrote:

I have not found a way to be able to navigate line by line through my mail 
inbox so that I get the cinder and subject we just want tope is anyone else 
solve this? Thank you


If you interact with the "table" that contains the list of messages, you 
should be able to read through them efficiently with up/down cursor 
keys, and, if I recall correctly, left/right to expand/collapse threads. 
This assumes you're using Apple Mail.


If you're using Microsoft Outlook for Mac, this aspect of operation is 
similar.


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Re: Open Twitter space is from my iPhone.

[Steve Z.]

Thanks so much Brett. It works just fine. I usually try such a things, but now 
I didn’t think of it.
Once again thanks.


> 20 Ιουν 2022, 6:48 μμ, ο χρήστης «Brett Lewis » 
> έγραψε:
> 
> Hi,
> The compose tweet button has actions associated with it, so if you select 
> actions in the rotor and swipe up/down you should find create a new space.
> Let me know if that doesn't work for some reason.
> Brett
> 
> 
> 
> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Actually by opening I mean create a space.
>> 
>>> 20 Ιουν 2022, 6:25 μμ, ο χρήστης «Steve Z. gret...@gmail.com» έγραψε:
>>> 
>>> Hi list,
>>> My question is how can I open a space on Twitter from my iPhone. I read the 
>>> tutorial that says long press on the tweet button, but it doesn’t work.
>>> Any suggestions how to do it?
>>> Thanks
>> 
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Re: hand-off

[Lorie McCloud]

on the far left of my dock is finder. the app I usually want to hand off is 
Safari. I tried command-tab too and never heard it. maybe one of my devices 
isn't signed into iCloud. keychain works so I don't know.

> On Jun 18, 2022, at 7:01 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Try the following:
> 
> 1.  On your iPhone, have the app you wish to Handoff open and in focus.
> 2.  Now, on your Mac, do one of the following:
> a.  Go to the Dock, and navigate to the far left end of the dock, to find the 
> app you wish to handoff from your iPhone.
> b.  Press CMD + Tab, until you land on the item that says Handoff from 
> iPhone, and release to accept the handoff and open the app on your Mac.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Jun 18, 2022, at 18:34, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> both of my devices have bluetooth on because I use it with other things. do I 
> need to bring the phone near the Mac or anything like that? what do I do to 
> get the process started?
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2022, at 6:20 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, it works through the cloud, but you still have to have Bluetooth 
>> enabled.
>> I think your devices also have to be on the same Wi-Fi network.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Jun 18, 2022, at 17:40, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> It works through the cloud.
>> 
>> 
>> Herbie
>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2022, at 15:29, pdevasto0...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Am I right that you also have to have Bluetooth enabled on both devices as 
>>> well?
>>> Pete De Vasto
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>>> Behalf Of Herbie Allen
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2022 1:23 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: hand-off
>>> 
>>> Make sure both devices divices are logged into the same iCloud account. 
>>> Then go to system preferences, and General. At the bottom you will see the 
>>> option for handoff. Check the box. Then on your iPhone, go to Settings, 
>>> General, AirPlay, and Handoff. You should be good to go from there after 
>>> you enable it, though sometimes I have to restart the phone to get it to 
>>> cooperate.
>>> 
 On Jun 18, 2022, at 14:43, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
 
 what do I need to do in order to hand off things from my iPhone to my Mac?
 
 thanks.
 Lorie
 
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Re: hand-off

[Brad Snyder]

Make sure Handoff is enabled on both devices, and both devices are running the 
most current version of iOS and macOS.


- Brad -



On Jun 20, 2022, at 15:52, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

on the far left of my dock is finder. the app I usually want to hand off is 
Safari. I tried command-tab too and never heard it. maybe one of my devices 
isn't signed into iCloud. keychain works so I don't know.

> On Jun 18, 2022, at 7:01 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Try the following:
> 
> 1.  On your iPhone, have the app you wish to Handoff open and in focus.
> 2.  Now, on your Mac, do one of the following:
> a.  Go to the Dock, and navigate to the far left end of the dock, to find the 
> app you wish to handoff from your iPhone.
> b.  Press CMD + Tab, until you land on the item that says Handoff from 
> iPhone, and release to accept the handoff and open the app on your Mac.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Jun 18, 2022, at 18:34, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> both of my devices have bluetooth on because I use it with other things. do I 
> need to bring the phone near the Mac or anything like that? what do I do to 
> get the process started?
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2022, at 6:20 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, it works through the cloud, but you still have to have Bluetooth 
>> enabled.
>> I think your devices also have to be on the same Wi-Fi network.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Jun 18, 2022, at 17:40, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> It works through the cloud.
>> 
>> 
>> Herbie
>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2022, at 15:29, pdevasto0...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Am I right that you also have to have Bluetooth enabled on both devices as 
>>> well?
>>> Pete De Vasto
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>>> Behalf Of Herbie Allen
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2022 1:23 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: hand-off
>>> 
>>> Make sure both devices divices are logged into the same iCloud account. 
>>> Then go to system preferences, and General. At the bottom you will see the 
>>> option for handoff. Check the box. Then on your iPhone, go to Settings, 
>>> General, AirPlay, and Handoff. You should be good to go from there after 
>>> you enable it, though sometimes I have to restart the phone to get it to 
>>> cooperate.
>>> 
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 what do I need to do in order to hand off things from my iPhone to my Mac?
 
 thanks.
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Voice Dream Reader for mac and Braille display

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Hello,

Is it possible to read books and documents imported to voice dream reader for 
mac desktop using refreshable Braille display?

I’ve been trying to find a way to do this but have thus far failed.

Andrew

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Re: hand-off

[Lorie McCloud]

ok. I did check that handoff is enabled on both devices but I'm not running ios 
15. that might be the problem.

> On Jun 20, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Make sure Handoff is enabled on both devices, and both devices are running 
> the most current version of iOS and macOS.
> 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 20, 2022, at 15:52, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> on the far left of my dock is finder. the app I usually want to hand off is 
> Safari. I tried command-tab too and never heard it. maybe one of my devices 
> isn't signed into iCloud. keychain works so I don't know.
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2022, at 7:01 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> Try the following:
>> 
>> 1.  On your iPhone, have the app you wish to Handoff open and in focus.
>> 2.  Now, on your Mac, do one of the following:
>> a.  Go to the Dock, and navigate to the far left end of the dock, to find 
>> the app you wish to handoff from your iPhone.
>> b.  Press CMD + Tab, until you land on the item that says Handoff from 
>> iPhone, and release to accept the handoff and open the app on your Mac.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Jun 18, 2022, at 18:34, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> both of my devices have bluetooth on because I use it with other things. do 
>> I need to bring the phone near the Mac or anything like that? what do I do 
>> to get the process started?
>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2022, at 6:20 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, it works through the cloud, but you still have to have Bluetooth 
>>> enabled.
>>> I think your devices also have to be on the same Wi-Fi network.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2022, at 17:40, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It works through the cloud.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Herbie
>>> 
 On Jun 18, 2022, at 15:29, pdevasto0...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Am I right that you also have to have Bluetooth enabled on both devices 
 as well?
 Pete De Vasto
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
 Behalf Of Herbie Allen
 Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2022 1:23 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: hand-off
 
 Make sure both devices divices are logged into the same iCloud account. 
 Then go to system preferences, and General. At the bottom you will see the 
 option for handoff. Check the box. Then on your iPhone, go to Settings, 
 General, AirPlay, and Handoff. You should be good to go from there after 
 you enable it, though sometimes I have to restart the phone to get it to 
 cooperate.
 
> On Jun 18, 2022, at 14:43, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> what do I need to do in order to hand off things from my iPhone to my Mac?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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Re: Voices in new OS.

[mattias]

how to remove unwanted voices?


Den 2022-06-20 kl. 20:56, skrev Karen Lewellen:

Jonathan
,
auditory processing is a brain injury, I am not about to listen to 
anything,  provided in an environment, that might put me in hospital.

given even IOS and windows settings make me dizzy, the answer is no.
At this point I am feeling the default voice provided  with this mid 
2012 installation of Catalina will be just fine with practice.  
Especially as I make slight adjustments.
Far more  concerned about the  combination of keystrokes required, and 
although I am sure it is here somewhere, how to repeat what vo has 
just said?
Practice makes more comfortable, even if I doubt this is likely to 
become my main machine any time soon..I love typing at 85 words a 
minute, and not taking my hands off the keys too much laughs.

Thanks for the question, and the consideration though!
Karen



On Mon, 20 Jun 2022, Jonathan Cohn wrote:


Karen and all,
Have you listened to either the AppleVis or Jonathan Mosen podcast 
demonstrating the new voices that are available in beta Apple 
operating systems?

They have even broght Eloquence to IOS.

    Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



On Jun 15, 2022, at 15:57, Karen Lewellen  
wrote:


Which in one case requires one have more than one product.
By way of example, I have yet to find an iOS voice that does not 
trigger the dizziness aspect of my auditory processing condition.
It is one reason why I wanted an older mac, and why I am, after 
years of being on this list, only now in a position to really  use 
apple products at all.
My point is that inclusion also means choices, and limiting choices 
because of how a person's body works, is not inclusion..at all.




On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:

Newer Macintosh computers have a fingerprint sensor and even older 
machines, can be unlocked if you are wearing an Apple Watch.


Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 15, 2022, at 12:05 PM, Karen Lewellen 
 wrote:


hi Tim,
Please share what you learn.  Just got off the phone with main 
apple support, the time window is only 8 hours, which is just not  
suitable for me as I learn this machine.
As shared I have no issues with the data  not being presented, 
with practice I will likely be fine.
but as I just shared with my apple rep, you expect someone like 
the late Stephen Hawking to  have someone  provide his log in 
password every 8 hours?
If there is not an existing work-around for that population, one 
should be created, even if hidden in the security privacy  area, 
an alternative way to provide password  at log in, or something of 
that sort.

best,
Karen




On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,

Whether it’s a VoiceOver user or a sighted user, they will not be 
able to see what is being entered.  Yes, on some web-sites, there 
is a “Show Password” option, but this is not the case for the 
Login screen.  You do bring up some good points, although I’m not 
sure I know a workaround for them.  Even with newer versions of 
the computer, and newer versions of the MacOS there are things 
like the fingerprint sensor.  The limitation here is still that 
the full entry of the password is required after restart or 
logout for security reasons.  I will need to check with someone 
at Apple if there’s some other way that I’m not aware of that 
would allow for password entry for someone with dexterity 
challenges.


Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 15, 2022, at 09:18, Karen Lewellen 
 wrote:


Tim,
Thanks as always.
When I spoke to apple accessibility I asked a question.
since voiceover is not providing input, if one is new to the 
mac, or used to  a larger keyboard, mistakes are quite likely.
however, what happens if someone cannot type at all? the system 
does not let you speak your password either, which speaking 
personally seems like rather a barrier for those experiencing 
motor challenges.
While I respect the risk idea, I am more bothered by the 
noninclusive nature of the door if that resonates.
If I could say set the requirement for once every 90 days, 
giving me more time to either manage this keyboard or add an 
external  one it would be one thing.
As it is now, the problem prevents me from moving forward, and I 
cannot resonate with that  situation.

Kare




On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:



Hi,

There are trusted developers that are built in to the system, 
as well as you being able to tell the MacOS if you want to 
“Trust” a specific web-site for downloads.  Leaving the setting 
to App Store and Trusted Developers is your best option.  
Regarding the locking of the screen after sleep or screen 
saver, yes, indeed this can be configured.  I’ll preface this 
by saying that when you disable this feature, you are leaving 
your Mac open to security breaches.  That being said, if you 
are comfort

Re: Voices in new OS. (fwd)

[Karen Lewellen]

Intended for the list, anyone able to help them?



-- Forwarded message --
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2022 00:17:07 +0200
From: mattias 
To: Karen Lewellen 
Subject: Re: Voices in new OS.

the question are how to remove unwanted voices now


Den 2022-06-20 kl. 20:56, skrev Karen Lewellen:

 Jonathan
 ,
 auditory processing is a brain injury, I am not about to listen to
 anything,  provided in an environment, that might put me in hospital.
 given even IOS and windows settings make me dizzy, the answer is no.
 At this point I am feeling the default voice provided  with this mid 2012
 installation of Catalina will be just fine with practice.  Especially as I
 make slight adjustments.
 Far more  concerned about the  combination of keystrokes required, and
 although I am sure it is here somewhere, how to repeat what vo has just
 said?
 Practice makes more comfortable, even if I doubt this is likely to become my
 main machine any time soon..I love typing at 85 words a minute, and not
 taking my hands off the keys too much laughs.
 Thanks for the question, and the consideration though!
 Karen



 On Mon, 20 Jun 2022, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

>  Karen and all,
>  Have you listened to either the AppleVis or Jonathan Mosen podcast 
>  demonstrating the new voices that are available in beta Apple operating 
>  systems?

>  They have even broght Eloquence to IOS.
> 
>      Best wishes,
> 
>  Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
> >  On Jun 15, 2022, at 15:57, Karen Lewellen  
> >  wrote:
> > 
> >  Which in one case requires one have more than one product.
> >  By way of example, I have yet to find an iOS voice that does not trigger 
> >  the dizziness aspect of my auditory processing condition.
> >  It is one reason why I wanted an older mac, and why I am, after years of 
> >  being on this list, only now in a position to really  use apple 
> >  products at all.
> >  My point is that inclusion also means choices, and limiting choices 
> >  because of how a person's body works, is not inclusion..at all.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
> > 
> > >  Newer Macintosh computers have a fingerprint sensor and even older 
> > >  machines, can be unlocked if you are wearing an Apple Watch.
> > > 
> > >  Sent from my iPhone
> > > 
> > > >  On Jun 15, 2022, at 12:05 PM, Karen Lewellen 
> > > >   wrote:
> > > > 
> > > >  hi Tim,
> > > >  Please share what you learn.  Just got off the phone with main 
> > > >  apple support, the time window is only 8 hours, which is just not  
> > > >  suitable for me as I learn this machine.
> > > >  As shared I have no issues with the data  not being presented, with 
> > > >  practice I will likely be fine.
> > > >  but as I just shared with my apple rep, you expect someone like the 
> > > >  late Stephen Hawking to  have someone  provide his log in password 
> > > >  every 8 hours?
> > > >  If there is not an existing work-around for that population, one 
> > > >  should be created, even if hidden in the security privacy  area, an 
> > > >  alternative way to provide password  at log in, or something of 
> > > >  that sort.

> > > >  best,
> > > >  Karen
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > >  On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > >  Hi,
> > > > > 
> > > > >  Whether it’s a VoiceOver user or a sighted user, they will not 
> > > > >  be able to see what is being entered.  Yes, on some web-sites, 
> > > > >  there is a “Show Password” option, but this is not the case 
> > > > >  for the Login screen.  You do bring up some good points, although 
> > > > >  I’m not sure I know a workaround for them.  Even with newer 
> > > > >  versions of the computer, and newer versions of the MacOS there 
> > > > >  are things like the fingerprint sensor.  The limitation here is 
> > > > >  still that the full entry of the password is required after 
> > > > >  restart or logout for security reasons.  I will need to check 
> > > > >  with someone at Apple if there’s some other way that I’m not 
> > > > >  aware of that would allow for password entry for someone with 
> > > > >  dexterity challenges.
> > > > > 
> > > > >  Later…
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >  Tim Kilburn

> > > > >  Jamf Certified Tech
> > > > >  Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> > > > >  Apple Teacher
> > > > >  (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > > > >  Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> > > > > 
> > > > > > >  On Jun 15, 2022, at 09:18, Karen Lewellen 
> > > > > > >   wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >  Tim,

> > > > > >  Thanks as always.
> > > > > >  When I spoke to apple accessibility I asked a question.
> > > > > >  since voiceover is not providing input, if one is new to the 
> > > > > >  mac, or used to  a larger keyboard, mistakes are quite likely.
> > > > > >  however, what happens if someone cannot type at all? the system 
> > > > > >  does not let you speak your password either, which speaking 
> > > > > >  personally seems like rather a barrier for those experien

Re: Voices in new OS.

[Karen Lewellen]

seem you made it here after all.



On Tue, 21 Jun 2022, mattias wrote:


how to remove unwanted voices?


Den 2022-06-20 kl. 20:56, skrev Karen Lewellen:

 Jonathan
 ,
 auditory processing is a brain injury, I am not about to listen to
 anything,  provided in an environment, that might put me in hospital.
 given even IOS and windows settings make me dizzy, the answer is no.
 At this point I am feeling the default voice provided  with this mid 2012
 installation of Catalina will be just fine with practice.  Especially as
 I make slight adjustments.
 Far more  concerned about the  combination of keystrokes required, and
 although I am sure it is here somewhere, how to repeat what vo has just
 said?
 Practice makes more comfortable, even if I doubt this is likely to become
 my main machine any time soon..I love typing at 85 words a minute, and not
 taking my hands off the keys too much laughs.
 Thanks for the question, and the consideration though!
 Karen



 On Mon, 20 Jun 2022, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

>  Karen and all,
>  Have you listened to either the AppleVis or Jonathan Mosen podcast 
>  demonstrating the new voices that are available in beta Apple operating 
>  systems?

>  They have even broght Eloquence to IOS.
> 
>      Best wishes,
> 
>  Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
> >  On Jun 15, 2022, at 15:57, Karen Lewellen  
> >  wrote:
> > 
> >  Which in one case requires one have more than one product.
> >  By way of example, I have yet to find an iOS voice that does not 
> >  trigger the dizziness aspect of my auditory processing condition.
> >  It is one reason why I wanted an older mac, and why I am, after years 
> >  of being on this list, only now in a position to really  use apple 
> >  products at all.
> >  My point is that inclusion also means choices, and limiting choices 
> >  because of how a person's body works, is not inclusion..at all.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
> > 
> > >  Newer Macintosh computers have a fingerprint sensor and even older 
> > >  machines, can be unlocked if you are wearing an Apple Watch.
> > > 
> > >  Sent from my iPhone
> > > 
> > > >  On Jun 15, 2022, at 12:05 PM, Karen Lewellen 
> > > >   wrote:
> > > > 
> > > >  hi Tim,
> > > >  Please share what you learn.  Just got off the phone with main 
> > > >  apple support, the time window is only 8 hours, which is just 
> > > >  not  suitable for me as I learn this machine.
> > > >  As shared I have no issues with the data  not being presented, 
> > > >  with practice I will likely be fine.
> > > >  but as I just shared with my apple rep, you expect someone like 
> > > >  the late Stephen Hawking to  have someone  provide his log in 
> > > >  password every 8 hours?
> > > >  If there is not an existing work-around for that population, one 
> > > >  should be created, even if hidden in the security privacy  area, 
> > > >  an alternative way to provide password  at log in, or something 
> > > >  of that sort.

> > > >  best,
> > > >  Karen
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > >  On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > >  Hi,
> > > > > 
> > > > >  Whether it’s a VoiceOver user or a sighted user, they will not 
> > > > >  be able to see what is being entered.  Yes, on some web-sites, 
> > > > >  there is a “Show Password” option, but this is not the case 
> > > > >  for the Login screen.  You do bring up some good points, 
> > > > >  although I’m not sure I know a workaround for them.  Even 
> > > > >  with newer versions of the computer, and newer versions of the 
> > > > >  MacOS there are things like the fingerprint sensor.  The 
> > > > >  limitation here is still that the full entry of the password is 
> > > > >  required after restart or logout for security reasons.  I will 
> > > > >  need to check with someone at Apple if there’s some other way 
> > > > >  that I’m not aware of that would allow for password entry for 
> > > > >  someone with dexterity challenges.
> > > > > 
> > > > >  Later…
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >  Tim Kilburn

> > > > >  Jamf Certified Tech
> > > > >  Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> > > > >  Apple Teacher
> > > > >  (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > > > >  Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> > > > > 
> > > > > > >  On Jun 15, 2022, at 09:18, Karen Lewellen 
> > > > > > >   wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >  Tim,

> > > > > >  Thanks as always.
> > > > > >  When I spoke to apple accessibility I asked a question.
> > > > > >  since voiceover is not providing input, if one is new to the 
> > > > > >  mac, or used to  a larger keyboard, mistakes are quite 
> > > > > >  likely.
> > > > > >  however, what happens if someone cannot type at all? the 
> > > > > >  system does not let you speak your password either, which 
> > > > > >  speaking personally seems like rather a barrier for those 
> > > > > >  experiencing motor challenges.
> > > > > >  While I respect the risk idea, I am more bothered by the 
> > > > > >  noninclu

Re: Voice Dream Reader for mac and Braille display

[Herbie Allen]

Does it read if you hit the play button? 

> On Jun 20, 2022, at 16:00, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hello,
> 
> Is it possible to read books and documents imported to voice dream reader for 
> mac desktop using refreshable Braille display?
> 
> I’ve been trying to find a way to do this but have thus far failed.
> 
> Andrew
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Re: Open Twitter space is from my iPhone.

[Brett Lewis]

Glad that works.
I have been doing spaces with people involved in assistive technology for the 
last few months or so.
Always happy to have people join in.
On twitter: @brettlewisjudo
Brett





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On Monday, June 20th, 2022 at 12:56 PM, Steve Z.  wrote:


>
>
> Thanks so much Brett. It works just fine. I usually try such a things, but 
> now I didn’t think of it.
> Once again thanks.
>
>
> > 20 Ιουν 2022, 6:48 μμ, ο χρήστης «Brett Lewis brettle...@brettlewis.us» 
> > έγραψε:
> >
> > Hi,
> > The compose tweet button has actions associated with it, so if you select 
> > actions in the rotor and swipe up/down you should find create a new space.
> > Let me know if that doesn't work for some reason.
> > Brett
> >
> > --- Original Message ---
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> > > On Monday, June 20th, 2022 at 8:27 AM, Steve Z. gret...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Actually by opening I mean create a space.
> > >
> > > > 20 Ιουν 2022, 6:25 μμ, ο χρήστης «Steve Z. gret...@gmail.com» έγραψε:
> > > >
> > > > Hi list,
> > > > My question is how can I open a space on Twitter from my iPhone. I read 
> > > > the tutorial that says long press on the tweet button, but it doesn’t 
> > > > work.
> > > > Any suggestions how to do it?
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Re: Voice Dream Reader for mac and Braille display

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

If you can read them with VoiceOver on the Mac, then, yes, you should be able 
to use your braille display for the purpose.
Be aware, however, that the panning behavior on VoiceOver for Mac with a 
braille display can be awkward, and it may be challenging to read a document 
sequentially.

> On 20 Jun, 2022, at 17:00, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hello,
> 
> Is it possible to read books and documents imported to voice dream reader for 
> mac desktop using refreshable Braille display?
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> I’ve been trying to find a way to do this but have thus far failed.
> 
> Andrew
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To Choose, To Chose - OCR App

[Bill Gallik]

Hi All (Once Again),

I’ve decided to install an OCR app on my Mac Mini, but in searching for such 
software via “App Store” I find a quite confusing list of choices.  I realize 
such preferences are highly subjective propositions, but I certainly would 
appreciate suggestions as to which OCR app will “Fill the BBill.”

Of course, anyone offering a suggestion will want to know what my criteria is, 
suffice it to say my top criterion is accuracy.  Beyond that, cost is certainly 
a prominent consideration.  I’ll put it this way, if an extremely accurate OCR 
app runs around $50 I’m OK with that.  I do not want a $3.00 app that is 
lacking accuracy.

And one final consideration, I want to be able to link the app to readily open 
various image files (JPG, IMG, etc).

Thanks in advance!


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Re: To Choose, To Chose - OCR App

['ja...@jasonjgw.net' via MacVisionaries]

I’ve had good experiences with ABBYY FineReader in a Microsoft environment, and 
I’ve read positive comments about the Mac version.
However, the company is based in Russia, and it may be subject to sanctions, 
not to mention the moral issues involved given the current geopolitical 
situation. I personally wouldn’t be comfortable purchasing from them right now.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Bill Gallik 
Date: Monday, 20June, 2022 at 18:52
To: MacVisionaries 📩 
Subject: To Choose, To Chose - OCR App
Hi All (Once Again),

I’ve decided to install an OCR app on my Mac Mini, but in searching for such 
software via “App Store” I find a quite confusing list of choices.  I realize 
such preferences are highly subjective propositions, but I certainly would 
appreciate suggestions as to which OCR app will “Fill the BBill.”

Of course, anyone offering a suggestion will want to know what my criteria is, 
suffice it to say my top criterion is accuracy.  Beyond that, cost is certainly 
a prominent consideration.  I’ll put it this way, if an extremely accurate OCR 
app runs around $50 I’m OK with that.  I do not want a $3.00 app that is 
lacking accuracy.

And one final consideration, I want to be able to link the app to readily open 
various image files (JPG, IMG, etc).

Thanks in advance!


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Re: Voices in new OS.

[Jessica Moss]

I just listened to it on AppleVis, and I’m really surprised they took the time 
to import all those “novelty” voices over to IOS.  Those came with the Mac long 
before Voiceover was even a thing, and while I thought it was hilarious to hear 
one of several of my teachers at FSDB, whom many of the teachers we had still 
used those before the school started slowly introducing them to the iMac, I 
can’t imagine too many people using those to actually read with.  I’m not sure 
what I think of the additional voices yet.

> On Jun 20, 2022, at 6:23 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> seem you made it here after all
> 
> 
> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022, mattias wrote:
> 
>> how to remove unwanted voices?
>> 
>> 
>> Den 2022-06-20 kl. 20:56, skrev Karen Lewellen:
>>> Jonathan
>>> ,
>>> auditory processing is a brain injury, I am not about to listen to
>>> anything,  provided in an environment, that might put me in hospital.
>>> given even IOS and windows settings make me dizzy, the answer is no.
>>> At this point I am feeling the default voice provided  with this mid 2012
>>> installation of Catalina will be just fine with practice.  Especially as
>>> I make slight adjustments.
>>> Far more  concerned about the  combination of keystrokes required, and
>>> although I am sure it is here somewhere, how to repeat what vo has just
>>> said?
>>> Practice makes more comfortable, even if I doubt this is likely to become
>>> my main machine any time soon..I love typing at 85 words a minute, and not
>>> taking my hands off the keys too much laughs.
>>> Thanks for the question, and the consideration though!
>>> Karen
>>> 
>>> On Mon, 20 Jun 2022, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>>> >  Karen and all,
>>> >  Have you listened to either the AppleVis or Jonathan Mosen podcast >  
>>> > demonstrating the new voices that are available in beta Apple operating > 
>>> >  systems?
>>> >  They have even broght Eloquence to IOS.
>>> > >  Best wishes,
>>> > >  Jonathan Cohn
>>> > > > > >  On Jun 15, 2022, at 15:57, Karen Lewellen 
>>> > > > > >  > >  wrote:
>>> > > > >  Which in one case requires one have more than one product.
>>> > >  By way of example, I have yet to find an iOS voice that does not > >  
>>> > > trigger the dizziness aspect of my auditory processing condition.
>>> > >  It is one reason why I wanted an older mac, and why I am, after years 
>>> > > > >  of being on this list, only now in a position to really  use apple 
>>> > > > >  products at all.
>>> > >  My point is that inclusion also means choices, and limiting choices > 
>>> > > >  because of how a person's body works, is not inclusion..at all.
>>> > > > > > > > >  On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
>>> > > > > >  Newer Macintosh computers have a fingerprint sensor and even 
>>> > > > > > older > > >  machines, can be unlocked if you are wearing an 
>>> > > > > > Apple Watch.
>>> > > > > > >  Sent from my iPhone
>>> > > > > > > >  On Jun 15, 2022, at 12:05 PM, Karen Lewellen > > > >  
>>> > > > > > > >  wrote:
>>> > > > > > > > >  hi Tim,
>>> > > > >  Please share what you learn.  Just got off the phone with main > > 
>>> > > > > > >  apple support, the time window is only 8 hours, which is just 
>>> > > > > > > > >  not  suitable for me as I learn this machine.
>>> > > > >  As shared I have no issues with the data  not being presented, > > 
>>> > > > > > >  with practice I will likely be fine.
>>> > > > >  but as I just shared with my apple rep, you expect someone like > 
>>> > > > > > > >  the late Stephen Hawking to  have someone  provide his log 
>>> > > > > in > > > >  password every 8 hours?
>>> > > > >  If there is not an existing work-around for that population, one > 
>>> > > > > > > >  should be created, even if hidden in the security privacy  
>>> > > > > area, > > > >  an alternative way to provide password  at log in, 
>>> > > > > or something > > > >  of that sort.
>>> > > > >  best,
>>> > > > >  Karen
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via 
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> > > > > > > > > > >  Hi,
>>> > > > > > > > > > >  Whether it’s a VoiceOver user or a sighted user, they 
>>> > > > > > > > > > > will not > > > > >  be able to see what is being 
>>> > > > > > > > > > > entered.  Yes, on some web-sites, > > > > >  there is a 
>>> > > > > > > > > > > “Show Password” option, but this is not the case > > > 
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >  for the Login screen.  You do bring up some good 
>>> > > > > > > > > > > points, > > > > >  although I’m not sure I know a 
>>> > > > > > > > > > > workaround for them.  Even > > > > >  with newer 
>>> > > > > > > > > > > versions of the computer, and newer versions of the > > 
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  MacOS there are things like the fingerprint 
>>> > > > > > > > > > > sensor.  The > > > > >  limitation here is still that 
>>> > > > > > > > > > > the full entry of the password is > > > > >  required 
>>> > > > > > > > > > > after restart or logout

Re: To Choose, To Chose - OCR App

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Agreed. FineReader works well on the Mac. But its not moral to buy 
products biult in China either. Where to draw the line?


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On 6/20/2022 4:15 PM, 'ja...@jasonjgw.net' via MacVisionaries wrote:
I’ve had good experiences with ABBYY FineReader in a Microsoft 
environment, and I’ve read positive comments about the Mac version.


However, the company is based in Russia, and it may be subject to 
sanctions, not to mention the moral issues involved given the current 
geopolitical situation. I personally wouldn’t be comfortable purchasing 
from them right now.


*From: *macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 on behalf of Bill Gallik 


*Date: *Monday, 20June, 2022 at 18:52
*To: *MacVisionaries 📩
*Subject: *To Choose, To Chose - OCR App

Hi All (Once Again),

I’ve decided to install an OCR app on my Mac Mini, but in searching for 
such software via “App Store” I find a quite confusing list of choices.  
I realize such preferences are highly subjective propositions, but I 
certainly would appreciate suggestions as to which OCR app will “Fill 
the BBill.”


Of course, anyone offering a suggestion will want to know what my 
criteria is, suffice it to say my top criterion is accuracy.  Beyond 
that, cost is certainly a prominent consideration.  I’ll put it this 
way, if an extremely accurate OCR app runs around $50 I’m OK with that.  
I do not want a $3.00 app that is lacking accuracy.


And one final consideration, I want to be able to link the app to 
readily open various image files (JPG, IMG, etc).


Thanks in advance!


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Re: To Choose, To Chose - OCR App

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Just curious about this. I did a quick search and found Abbyy in 
many countries except Russia. The closest is Ukraine.


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On 6/20/2022 4:15 PM, 'ja...@jasonjgw.net' via MacVisionaries wrote:
I’ve had good experiences with ABBYY FineReader in a Microsoft 
environment, and I’ve read positive comments about the Mac version.


However, the company is based in Russia, and it may be subject to 
sanctions, not to mention the moral issues involved given the current 
geopolitical situation. I personally wouldn’t be comfortable purchasing 
from them right now.


*From: *macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 on behalf of Bill Gallik 


*Date: *Monday, 20June, 2022 at 18:52
*To: *MacVisionaries 📩
*Subject: *To Choose, To Chose - OCR App

Hi All (Once Again),

I’ve decided to install an OCR app on my Mac Mini, but in searching for 
such software via “App Store” I find a quite confusing list of choices.  
I realize such preferences are highly subjective propositions, but I 
certainly would appreciate suggestions as to which OCR app will “Fill 
the BBill.”


Of course, anyone offering a suggestion will want to know what my 
criteria is, suffice it to say my top criterion is accuracy.  Beyond 
that, cost is certainly a prominent consideration.  I’ll put it this 
way, if an extremely accurate OCR app runs around $50 I’m OK with that.  
I do not want a $3.00 app that is lacking accuracy.


And one final consideration, I want to be able to link the app to 
readily open various image files (JPG, IMG, etc).


Thanks in advance!


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Re: Voices in new OS. (fwd)

[bbsshawn via MacVisionaries]

Hey Karen. After further reading, I see that the question is about adding or 
removing voices in iOS 16 or macOS Ventura. Due to NDA, I can't disclose stuff 
like that on list. If the person is running the developer beta, please have him 
contact me off list at this email address. I can help him that way.

Regards,
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> On Jun 20, 2022, at 5:22 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Intended for the list, anyone able to help them?
> 
> 
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2022 00:17:07 +0200
> From: mattias 
> To: Karen Lewellen 
> Subject: Re: Voices in new OS.
> 
> the question are how to remove unwanted voices now
> 
> 
> Den 2022-06-20 kl. 20:56, skrev Karen Lewellen:
>> Jonathan
>> ,
>> auditory processing is a brain injury, I am not about to listen to
>> anything,  provided in an environment, that might put me in hospital.
>> given even IOS and windows settings make me dizzy, the answer is no.
>> At this point I am feeling the default voice provided  with this mid 2012
>> installation of Catalina will be just fine with practice.  Especially as I
>> make slight adjustments.
>> Far more  concerned about the  combination of keystrokes required, and
>> although I am sure it is here somewhere, how to repeat what vo has just
>> said?
>> Practice makes more comfortable, even if I doubt this is likely to become my
>> main machine any time soon..I love typing at 85 words a minute, and not
>> taking my hands off the keys too much laughs.
>> Thanks for the question, and the consideration though!
>> Karen
>> 
>> On Mon, 20 Jun 2022, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>> >  Karen and all,
>> >  Have you listened to either the AppleVis or Jonathan Mosen podcast >  
>> > demonstrating the new voices that are available in beta Apple operating >  
>> > systems?
>> >  They have even broght Eloquence to IOS.
>> > >  Best wishes,
>> > >  Jonathan Cohn
>> > > > > >  On Jun 15, 2022, at 15:57, Karen Lewellen 
>> > > > > >  > >  wrote:
>> > > > >  Which in one case requires one have more than one product.
>> > >  By way of example, I have yet to find an iOS voice that does not 
>> > > trigger > >  the dizziness aspect of my auditory processing condition.
>> > >  It is one reason why I wanted an older mac, and why I am, after years 
>> > > of > >  being on this list, only now in a position to really  use apple 
>> > > > >  products at all.
>> > >  My point is that inclusion also means choices, and limiting choices > > 
>> > >  because of how a person's body works, is not inclusion..at all.
>> > > > > > > > >  On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
>> > > > > >  Newer Macintosh computers have a fingerprint sensor and even 
>> > > > > > older > > >  machines, can be unlocked if you are wearing an Apple 
>> > > > > > Watch.
>> > > > > > >  Sent from my iPhone
>> > > > > > > >  On Jun 15, 2022, at 12:05 PM, Karen Lewellen > > > >  
>> > > > > > > >  wrote:
>> > > > > > > > >  hi Tim,
>> > > > >  Please share what you learn.  Just got off the phone with main > > 
>> > > > > > >  apple support, the time window is only 8 hours, which is just 
>> > > > > not  > > > >  suitable for me as I learn this machine.
>> > > > >  As shared I have no issues with the data  not being presented, with 
>> > > > > > > > >  practice I will likely be fine.
>> > > > >  but as I just shared with my apple rep, you expect someone like the 
>> > > > > > > > >  late Stephen Hawking to  have someone  provide his log in 
>> > > > > password > > > >  every 8 hours?
>> > > > >  If there is not an existing work-around for that population, one > 
>> > > > > > > >  should be created, even if hidden in the security privacy  
>> > > > > area, an > > > >  alternative way to provide password  at log in, or 
>> > > > > something of > > > >  that sort.
>> > > > >  best,
>> > > > >  Karen
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via 
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MacVisionaries wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > >  Hi,
>> > > > > > > > > > >  Whether it’s a VoiceOver user or a sighted user, they 
>> > > > > > > > > > > will not > > > > >  be able to see what is being 
>> > > > > > > > > > > entered.  Yes, on some web-sites, > > > > >  there is a 
>> > > > > > > > > > > “Show Password” option, but this is not the case > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > >  for the Login screen.  You do bring up some good 
>> > > > > > > > > > > points, although > > > > >  I’m not sure I know a 
>> > > > > > > > > > > workaround for them.  Even with newer > > > > >  
>> > > > > > > > > > > versions of the computer, and newer versions of the

Re: Monterey: Voiceover at Logon

[Dave Carlson]

ET,

Nope. After unlocking, all I get for logon is a list of applications. Nothing 
that says accessibility. Are you sure it’s there?

Dave Carlson
Woodworker, Musician, Oregonian, Farfar, Pioneer, and Engineer




On Jun 20, 2022, at 6:49 AM, E.T.  wrote:

  System preferences, Users and Groups, Login Options in the let table, click 
the lock, find the Accessibility button, there it is in the table.

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On 6/19/2022 10:21 PM, Dave Carlson wrote:
> Okay, I’ve managed to forget again. When Monterey starts, VoiceOver does not 
> come up speaking. I need to manipulate the touch pad to get it conversing.
> Where is the place I need to go to have it awake at logon?
> Dave Carlson
> Engineer, Farfar, Woodworker, Pioneer, Musician, and Oregonian

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Re: Monterey: Voiceover at Logon

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   After you get into Users and Groups, focus on the table and navigate 
to Login Options. This is at the bottom of the table. This is NOT the 
Login Items tab.


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On 6/20/2022 9:31 PM, Dave Carlson wrote:

ET,

Nope. After unlocking, all I get for logon is a list of applications. 
Nothing that says accessibility. Are you sure it’s there?


Dave Carlson
Woodworker, Musician, Oregonian, Farfar, Pioneer, and Engineer




On Jun 20, 2022, at 6:49 AM, E.T. > wrote:


   System preferences, Users and Groups, Login Options in the let table, 
click the lock, find the Accessibility button, there it is in the table.


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On 6/19/2022 10:21 PM, Dave Carlson wrote:
Okay, I’ve managed to forget again. When Monterey starts, VoiceOver 
does not come up speaking. I need to manipulate the touch pad to get 
it conversing.

Where is the place I need to go to have it awake at logon?
Dave Carlson
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Re: Monterey: Voiceover at Logon

[Dave Carlson]

Ok I think I know what you are saying now. Thanks 

Dave Carlson
Woodworker, Farfar, Oregonian, pioneer, engineer, and Musician


On Jun 20, 2022, at 9:39 PM, E.T.  wrote:

   After you get into Users and Groups, focus on the table and navigate to 
Login Options. This is at the bottom of the table. This is NOT the Login Items 
tab.

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On 6/20/2022 9:31 PM, Dave Carlson wrote:
> ET,
> Nope. After unlocking, all I get for logon is a list of applications. Nothing 
> that says accessibility. Are you sure it’s there?
> Dave Carlson
> Woodworker, Musician, Oregonian, Farfar, Pioneer, and Engineer
> On Jun 20, 2022, at 6:49 AM, E.T.  > wrote:
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> On 6/19/2022 10:21 PM, Dave Carlson wrote:
>> Okay, I’ve managed to forget again. When Monterey starts, VoiceOver does not 
>> come up speaking. I need to manipulate the touch pad to get it conversing.
>> Where is the place I need to go to have it awake at logon?
>> Dave Carlson
>> Engineer, Farfar, Woodworker, Pioneer, Musician, and Oregonian
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Re: Voices in new OS. (fwd)

[mattias]

shawn?

you meen me

i asked about the voices

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Den 2022-06-21 kl. 06:12, skrev bbsshawn via MacVisionaries:
Hey Karen. After further reading, I see that the question is about 
adding or removing voices in iOS 16 or macOS Ventura. Due to NDA, I 
can't disclose stuff like that on list. If the person is running the 
developer beta, please have him contact me off list at this email 
address. I can help him that way.


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On Jun 20, 2022, at 5:22 PM, Karen Lewellen 
 wrote:


Intended for the list, anyone able to help them?



-- Forwarded message --
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2022 00:17:07 +0200
From: mattias 
To: Karen Lewellen 
Subject: Re: Voices in new OS.

the question are how to remove unwanted voices now


Den 2022-06-20 kl. 20:56, skrev Karen Lewellen:

Jonathan
,
auditory processing is a brain injury, I am not about to listen to
anything,  provided in an environment, that might put me in hospital.
given even IOS and windows settings make me dizzy, the answer is no.
At this point I am feeling the default voice provided with this mid 2012
installation of Catalina will be just fine with practice.  
Especially as I

make slight adjustments.
Far more  concerned about the  combination of keystrokes required, and
although I am sure it is here somewhere, how to repeat what vo has just
said?
Practice makes more comfortable, even if I doubt this is likely to 
become my

main machine any time soon..I love typing at 85 words a minute, and not
taking my hands off the keys too much laughs.
Thanks for the question, and the consideration though!
Karen

On Mon, 20 Jun 2022, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>  Karen and all,
>  Have you listened to either the AppleVis or Jonathan Mosen 
podcast >  demonstrating the new voices that are available in beta 
Apple operating >  systems?

>  They have even broght Eloquence to IOS.
> >  Best wishes,
> >  Jonathan Cohn
> > > > >  On Jun 15, 2022, at 15:57, Karen Lewellen 
 > >  wrote:

> > > >  Which in one case requires one have more than one product.
> >  By way of example, I have yet to find an iOS voice that does 
not trigger > >  the dizziness aspect of my auditory processing 
condition.
> >  It is one reason why I wanted an older mac, and why I am, after 
years of > >  being on this list, only now in a position to really  
use apple > >  products at all.
> >  My point is that inclusion also means choices, and limiting 
choices > >  because of how a person's body works, is not 
inclusion..at all.

> > > > > > > >  On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
> > > > >  Newer Macintosh computers have a fingerprint sensor and 
even older > > >  machines, can be unlocked if you are wearing an 
Apple Watch.

> > > > > >  Sent from my iPhone
> > > > > > >  On Jun 15, 2022, at 12:05 PM, Karen Lewellen > > > > 
 wrote:

> > > > > > > >  hi Tim,
> > > >  Please share what you learn. Just got off the phone with 
main > > > >  apple support, the time window is only 8 hours, which 
is just not  > > > >  suitable for me as I learn this machine.
> > > >  As shared I have no issues with the data  not being 
presented, with > > > >  practice I will likely be fine.
> > > >  but as I just shared with my apple rep, you expect someone 
like the > > > >  late Stephen Hawking to  have someone  provide his 
log in password > > > >  every 8 hours?
> > > >  If there is not an existing work-around for that 
population, one > > > >  should be created, even if hidden in the 
security privacy  area, an > > > >  alternative way to provide 
password  at log in, or something of > > > >  that sort.

> > > >  best,
> > > >  Karen
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, 'Tim 
Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >  Hi,
> > > > > > > > > >  Whether it’s a VoiceOver user or a sighted 
user, they will not > > > > >  be able to see what is being 
entered.  Yes, on some web-sites, > > > > >  there is a “Show 
Password” option, but this is not the case > > > > >  for the Login 
screen.  You do bring up some good points, although > > > > >  I’m 
not sure I know a workaround for them.  Even with newer > > > > > 
 versions of the computer, and newer versions of the MacOS there > > 
> > >  are things like the fingerprint sensor.  The limitation here 
is > > > > >  still that the full entry of the password is required 
after > > > > >  restart or logout for security reasons.  I will 
need to check > > > > >  with someone at Apple if there’s some other 
way that I’m not > > > > >  aware of that would allow for password 
entry for someone