Re: Interesting problem with attaching files to email messages

[Steve Matzura]

Can do. Thanks.


On 2/24/2022 2:15 PM, joseph hudson wrote:

No you didn't do anything wrong. I think you've definitely discovered a 
problem. I think this needs to be dropped into Apple accessibility. You might 
be better off giving them a call, and letting them screen share with you so 
that they can see what the problem is.


On Feb 24, 2022, at 9:10 AM, Steve Matzura  wrote:

I had the occasion to send out about sixty files attached to email messages. They were all JPeg 
images scanned from paper. Please no comments about how I could have or should have used a file 
transfer facility like Dropbox, OneDrive, WeTransfer, Google Drive, etc.--the recipient demanded 
them in email, so, so be it. Anyway, here's the thing. Everything I'm about to described was done 
on an up-to-date Monterey system. If I open the folder in Finder containing these sixty JPegs, they 
show up in a nice sorted order, alphabetically by name. But when I open the same folder in the 
attach files dialog in an email message using standard Mac Mail, there appears to be no order to 
the file llist. There is, though, a method for changing the sort order, but it doesn't work. If you 
VO-LEFT several times, you'll eventually get to a control called "change grouping." When 
focused on that control you'll hear a message to hold down the Option key to change sort order. I 
did this, and the only choices available were tag and none. However, if I clicked the "change 
grouping" button instead, I also got name, which is what I wanted, but checking it didn't 
cause the list of files to re-sort. Did I do something wrong, or have I discovered a problem?


Thanks in advance.




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Lost Passwords, a Cautionary Tale

[Steve Matzura]

I had the occasion to have to replace an email account on an iPad last 
night. At first I thought I could just change the in and out server 
addresses and passwords, but then I thought why not just rip out the old 
one, which hadn't been used in a year and a half, and add it again. So I 
did--or tried to. I deleted the old account, but when I went to add the 
new one, it occurred to me that I didn't remember the email password. 
You know, it's one of those things you set up and hope you'll never have 
to change unless, as in this case, you change domain providers and 
forget what you chose. No problem--I'll just sync the iPad with the 
other Apple devices on the account.



Or so I thought.


The first rabbithole down which I went was Safari's password list. The 
email account wasn't there.



Next I tried Keychain Access. Vacuously empty. Hey, I thought Keychain 
Access held every password known to a Mac in its database. Guess not!



Next, a call to Apple technical support just in case I was missing 
something, and another to Apple's disability access help line in case I 
might have stumbled upon an accessibility issue with Keychain Access. 
Nope, no issues, no accessibility problems. Just no email account 
password stored anywhere.



And it can't even be gotten from System Preferences, although it *is* 
possible to change it. There's even a menu accessible from 
VO-Command-Spacebar with options on it like Cut and Copy, but they're 
all grayed; the only active one is Delete. Go figya!



So, if iCloud is so great for synchronizing accounts across devices, 
what about email?



Apple says that, except for mail addresses supported by Apple itself 
through iCloud,  the only way to save an email account's username and 
password is to log into that account via Safari. But what if the email 
provider doesn't offer Web-based email via direct access to the account, 
i.e., logging directly into the Web-based mail system instead of going 
through CPanel or some other portal? Easy and pretty obvious answer: 
You're stuck--at least that's the polite way of putting it (LOL).



So it's back to CPanel login to my domain for me, where I'll have to 
reset the password for the email account in question, go into two Apple 
devices to update it, and then finally create the account on the iPad. 
You can be sure that when I set this account's new password, I'll use a 
password creation formula I devised some time ago and follow it to the 
letter! That password formula hasn't failed me in over twelve years.



So, was there an easier way to have accomplished this, or is an email 
address not associated with the iCloud domain and Apple ecosystem truly 
on its own? I suspect the latter.


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Starting App With Option-Q?

[Fazil M.]

Hi, Group.

I have downloaded and install a couple of Quran Apps. I would like to start
one of them with Keyboard Commander command, 'Right Option)plus q. How can I
assign this command to Voiceover, (right) Option-q for opening this app?

Thanks! 

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Changing Voice on Fly?

[Fazil M.]

Hi, Group.

I think there is a command for changing voiceover Voice on fly, I mean
without evoking Voiceover Utility, may I know that command, please?

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Re: Changing Voice on Fly?

[Muhammad Fayed]

On Mac OS 10.14 and later as I remember, you can press 
ctrl+option+command+shift+arrows
Left and right arrows change across list of choices,
Up and down arrows change the value for that option of current focus.

Hope it helps,

Regards,

Mohamed E. Fayed 

> On 25 Feb 2022, at 4:36 PM, Fazil M.  wrote:
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> Hi, Group.
> I think there is a command for changing voiceover Voice on fly, I mean 
> without evoking Voiceover Utility, may I know that command, please?
> Thanks!
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New Screen Reader Users Community on Twitter

[Brett Lewis]

Hi all:
I set up a new community on Twitter for discussing anything screen reader
related.
Not specific to any OS or screen reader, just for anything screen reader
related.
It is a bit of a work in progress, but if you want to come and help shape
the discussion, please join at:
https://twitter.com/i/communities/1497020353159204879
Brett

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Re: CopyClip clipboard manager for Safari - Has anyone got this to work?

[dan d.]

That was the prior version to flycut, free on the app store.  I used it before 
flycut, what have you found not to work?  Both install the same
and work the same.  Flycut has more features.

On Fri, 25 Feb 2022, 'Ron' via MacVisionaries wrote:

> Hi there, has anyone used CopyClip.? It is a no frills clipboard manager that 
> was recommended, but I have been unable to get it to work. I am using upto 
> date  Monterrey. Thhanks in advance for any help.
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Re: Lost Passwords, a Cautionary Tale

[Herbie Allen]

Good news, there is a much easier way. Go to passwords on any device and add in 
the information manually. You will be able to pull it up when you need to and 
you should be good to go. 
Also, make sure your devices are logged into the same iCloud account. I’m 
gathering it’s not with the way you mentioned pulling up info on another device.

> On Feb 25, 2022, at 07:19, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> I had the occasion to have to replace an email account on an iPad last night. 
> At first I thought I could just change the in and out server addresses and 
> passwords, but then I thought why not just rip out the old one, which hadn't 
> been used in a year and a half, and add it again. So I did--or tried to. I 
> deleted the old account, but when I went to add the new one, it occurred to 
> me that I didn't remember the email password. You know, it's one of those 
> things you set up and hope you'll never have to change unless, as in this 
> case, you change domain providers and forget what you chose. No problem--I'll 
> just sync the iPad with the other Apple devices on the account.
> 
> 
> Or so I thought.
> 
> 
> The first rabbithole down which I went was Safari's password list. The email 
> account wasn't there.
> 
> 
> Next I tried Keychain Access. Vacuously empty. Hey, I thought Keychain Access 
> held every password known to a Mac in its database. Guess not!
> 
> 
> Next, a call to Apple technical support just in case I was missing something, 
> and another to Apple's disability access help line in case I might have 
> stumbled upon an accessibility issue with Keychain Access. Nope, no issues, 
> no accessibility problems. Just no email account password stored anywhere.
> 
> 
> And it can't even be gotten from System Preferences, although it *is* 
> possible to change it. There's even a menu accessible from 
> VO-Command-Spacebar with options on it like Cut and Copy, but they're all 
> grayed; the only active one is Delete. Go figya!
> 
> 
> So, if iCloud is so great for synchronizing accounts across devices, what 
> about email?
> 
> 
> Apple says that, except for mail addresses supported by Apple itself through 
> iCloud,  the only way to save an email account's username and password is to 
> log into that account via Safari. But what if the email provider doesn't 
> offer Web-based email via direct access to the account, i.e., logging 
> directly into the Web-based mail system instead of going through CPanel or 
> some other portal? Easy and pretty obvious answer: You're stuck--at least 
> that's the polite way of putting it (LOL).
> 
> 
> So it's back to CPanel login to my domain for me, where I'll have to reset 
> the password for the email account in question, go into two Apple devices to 
> update it, and then finally create the account on the iPad. You can be sure 
> that when I set this account's new password, I'll use a password creation 
> formula I devised some time ago and follow it to the letter! That password 
> formula hasn't failed me in over twelve years.
> 
> 
> So, was there an easier way to have accomplished this, or is an email address 
> not associated with the iCloud domain and Apple ecosystem truly on its own? I 
> suspect the latter.
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Re: Alternativ web browser

[Jonathan Cohn]

No, Chrome and Edge use the same basic engine, but might use slightly different 
ways to communicate with VoiceOver.
Firefox uses a third web rendering tool.
I am truly amazed at this complaint, I have 7 year old Macintosh running the 
latest MacOS, and find Safari and VoiceOver are generally working better 
together than when I first got the computer.
That being said, websites that are using a lot of JavaScript to move items 
around visually or constantly update a panel with new items are often 
problematic with VoiceOver. Also, some sites will provide more information 
about a point on the screen when the mouse is moved over that point. If Mouse 
follows VoiceOver cursor is on for these sites, then there might be a delay as 
the additional information is populated from the DOM to the AOM to VoiceOver. 
You can create a Macintosh activity to temporarily change Mouse follows 
behavior, for these sites.
Jonathan

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Feb 24, 2022, at 03:29, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> several times people wrote of the annoiing busy-message of Safari. It my 
> opinion it’s getting even worse. 
> 
> So has anyone experiences in using different browsers and whether this solves 
> the issue? Or do all web browsers use the same engine and produce the same 
> delay?
> 
> Thanks and all the best
> Jürgen
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Re: Starting App With Option-Q?

[Jonathan Cohn]

OPen commanders area of VoiceOver utility.

Switch to keyboard tab 
Click the add button 
Type "Q"
Move right with VO right arrow and open the menu.
Select Custom commands sub menu and then Open Application 
Now select the application you want

That should be it!

Best wishes,

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> On Feb 25, 2022, at 09:05, Fazil M.  wrote:
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> Hi, Group.
> I have downloaded and install a couple of Quran Apps. I would like to start 
> one of them with Keyboard Commander command, ‘Right Option)plus q. How can I 
> assign this command to Voiceover, (right) Option-q for opening this app?
> Thanks!
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Re: CopyClip clipboard manager for Safari - Has anyone got this to work?

['Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,
I use 
CloudClip Manager - Version 1.4.2.45
by Thinkbitz Software Studio.
Free on the App Store.



> On Feb 25, 2022, at 1:57 AM, 'Ron' via MacVisionaries 
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More HomePod weirdness, can anyone explain?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

So, last night my kitchen HomePod stopped working … again.  I just now went 
into the Home app, and it said, Kitchen HomePod Account needs attention.  I 
tapped that, and it said I needed to enter my AppleID password. So I did.  
Twice. And both times it said Verification Failed.  The first time I Manually 
entered the password, the second time I entered it from Passwords.  Not knowing 
what else to do, I have unplugged the HomePod, and am about to reset it … 
again.  The weird thing is, both the HomePod minis are working just fine.  
Anyone have any idea what could be going on here?
Thanks,
Donna

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Re: More HomePod weirdness, can anyone explain?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

So this just gets weirder and weirder.  When I reset the HomePod, all went as 
expected until it got to the point where it was transferring settings.  Then I 
got an error message that the HomePod couldn’t connect to wifi.  I retried 
resetting, with no luck.  We have a HomePod that we’re not using—long story—so 
I decided to try that one, thinking that perhaps the wifi in the original one 
had somehow broken.  That one reset automatically, but I went through the same 
thing, all worked well until I got the error message Unable to Join wifi.  This 
would lead me to believe that there’s a problem with our wifi, but  one 
HomePod, two minis, one Apple TV, five Sonos speakers, and one iPad are all 
connected and having no issues.

At this point, I’m clueless.  I don’t even know what to try next.  Anyone have 
any thoughts?
Donna

> On Feb 25, 2022, at 12:00 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> So, last night my kitchen HomePod stopped working … again.  I just now went 
> into the Home app, and it said, Kitchen HomePod Account needs attention.  I 
> tapped that, and it said I needed to enter my AppleID password. So I did.  
> Twice. And both times it said Verification Failed.  The first time I Manually 
> entered the password, the second time I entered it from Passwords.  Not 
> knowing what else to do, I have unplugged the HomePod, and am about to reset 
> it … again.  The weird thing is, both the HomePod minis are working just 
> fine.  Anyone have any idea what could be going on here?
> Thanks,
> Donna
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RE: Starting App With Option-Q?

[Fazil M.]

Thanks much, Jonathan, I have added it successfully.

How can I change or remove this command?

Thanks!

 

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To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Starting App With Option-Q?

 

OPen commanders area of VoiceOver utility.

 

Switch to keyboard tab 

Click the add button 

Type "Q"

Move right with VO right arrow and open the menu.

Select Custom commands sub menu and then Open Application 

Now select the application you want

 

That should be it!

 

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn







On Feb 25, 2022, at 09:05, Fazil M. mailto:mfa...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

Hi, Group.

I have downloaded and install a couple of Quran Apps. I would like to start one 
of them with Keyboard Commander command, ‘Right Option)plus q. How can I assign 
this command to Voiceover, (right) Option-q for opening this app?

Thanks! 

 

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Re: More HomePod weirdness, can anyone explain?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
To me it sounds like a wifi issue with the HomePod itself.
I don’t have one as they’re not sold in Sweden from what I know.
/A

> 25 feb. 2022 kl. 19:51 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> So this just gets weirder and weirder.  When I reset the HomePod, all went as 
> expected until it got to the point where it was transferring settings.  Then 
> I got an error message that the HomePod couldn’t connect to wifi.  I retried 
> resetting, with no luck.  We have a HomePod that we’re not using—long 
> story—so I decided to try that one, thinking that perhaps the wifi in the 
> original one had somehow broken.  That one reset automatically, but I went 
> through the same thing, all worked well until I got the error message Unable 
> to Join wifi.  This would lead me to believe that there’s a problem with our 
> wifi, but  one HomePod, two minis, one Apple TV, five Sonos speakers, and one 
> iPad are all connected and having no issues.
> 
> At this point, I’m clueless.  I don’t even know what to try next.  Anyone 
> have any thoughts?
> Donna
> 
>> On Feb 25, 2022, at 12:00 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> So, last night my kitchen HomePod stopped working … again.  I just now went 
>> into the Home app, and it said, Kitchen HomePod Account needs attention.  I 
>> tapped that, and it said I needed to enter my AppleID password. So I did.  
>> Twice. And both times it said Verification Failed.  The first time I 
>> Manually entered the password, the second time I entered it from Passwords.  
>> Not knowing what else to do, I have unplugged the HomePod, and am about to 
>> reset it … again.  The weird thing is, both the HomePod minis are working 
>> just fine.  Anyone have any idea what could be going on here?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>> 
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Re: More HomePod weirdness, can anyone explain?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Well, for now, at least, it seems to be resolved.

We have an Orbi mesh network.  We rebooted the modem, and the Orbis, and moved 
our extender a little bit closer to the base unit and to the place where the 
HomePod Is.  That seems to have done the trick, though I still don’t understand 
the iCloud account error or why everything but the HomePod stayed connected.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Feb 25, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> To me it sounds like a wifi issue with the HomePod itself.
> I don’t have one as they’re not sold in Sweden from what I know.
> /A
> 
>> 25 feb. 2022 kl. 19:51 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> So this just gets weirder and weirder.  When I reset the HomePod, all went 
>> as expected until it got to the point where it was transferring settings.  
>> Then I got an error message that the HomePod couldn’t connect to wifi.  I 
>> retried resetting, with no luck.  We have a HomePod that we’re not 
>> using—long story—so I decided to try that one, thinking that perhaps the 
>> wifi in the original one had somehow broken.  That one reset automatically, 
>> but I went through the same thing, all worked well until I got the error 
>> message Unable to Join wifi.  This would lead me to believe that there’s a 
>> problem with our wifi, but  one HomePod, two minis, one Apple TV, five Sonos 
>> speakers, and one iPad are all connected and having no issues.
>> 
>> At this point, I’m clueless.  I don’t even know what to try next.  Anyone 
>> have any thoughts?
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2022, at 12:00 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> So, last night my kitchen HomePod stopped working … again.  I just now went 
>>> into the Home app, and it said, Kitchen HomePod Account needs attention.  I 
>>> tapped that, and it said I needed to enter my AppleID password. So I did.  
>>> Twice. And both times it said Verification Failed.  The first time I 
>>> Manually entered the password, the second time I entered it from Passwords. 
>>>  Not knowing what else to do, I have unplugged the HomePod, and am about to 
>>> reset it … again.  The weird thing is, both the HomePod minis are working 
>>> just fine.  Anyone have any idea what could be going on here?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
>>> 
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Re: Starting App With Option-Q?

[Jonathan Cohn]

To change what the Q does just find it in the table move right and choose 
another item from the list. To remove it find it in the table and then stop 
interacting with the table and click the remove button. 
MacOS has several other expandable tables like in the keyboard shortcuts and 
Network areas of system preferences that act almost identical. So if you can 
learn to control this dialog then perhaps the others will become intuitive for 
you.
 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Feb 25, 2022, at 14:11, Fazil M.  wrote:
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> Thanks much, Jonathan, I have added it successfully.
> How can I change or remove this command?
> Thanks!
>  
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> To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>  
> OPen commanders area of VoiceOver utility.
>  
> Switch to keyboard tab 
> Click the add button 
> Type "Q"
> Move right with VO right arrow and open the menu.
> Select Custom commands sub menu and then Open Application 
> Now select the application you want
>  
> That should be it!
>  
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 25, 2022, at 09:05, Fazil M. > > wrote:
>>  
>> Hi, Group.
>> I have downloaded and install a couple of Quran Apps. I would like to start 
>> one of them with Keyboard Commander command, ‘Right Option)plus q. How can I 
>> assign this command to Voiceover, (right) Option-q for opening this app?
>> Thanks!
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Re: Lost Passwords, a Cautionary Tale

[Steve Matzura]

Right. That's an after-the-fact solution though. In a roundabout way, I 
suppose I was offhandedly saying that, yes, you can add any password to 
anything in the Safari password list (and probably in Keychain Access as 
well).



On 2/25/2022 11:27 AM, Herbie Allen wrote:

Good news, there is a much easier way. Go to passwords on any device and add in 
the information manually. You will be able to pull it up when you need to and 
you should be good to go.
Also, make sure your devices are logged into the same iCloud account. I’m 
gathering it’s not with the way you mentioned pulling up info on another device.


On Feb 25, 2022, at 07:19, Steve Matzura  wrote:

I had the occasion to have to replace an email account on an iPad last night. 
At first I thought I could just change the in and out server addresses and 
passwords, but then I thought why not just rip out the old one, which hadn't 
been used in a year and a half, and add it again. So I did--or tried to. I 
deleted the old account, but when I went to add the new one, it occurred to me 
that I didn't remember the email password. You know, it's one of those things 
you set up and hope you'll never have to change unless, as in this case, you 
change domain providers and forget what you chose. No problem--I'll just sync 
the iPad with the other Apple devices on the account.


Or so I thought.


The first rabbithole down which I went was Safari's password list. The email 
account wasn't there.


Next I tried Keychain Access. Vacuously empty. Hey, I thought Keychain Access 
held every password known to a Mac in its database. Guess not!


Next, a call to Apple technical support just in case I was missing something, 
and another to Apple's disability access help line in case I might have 
stumbled upon an accessibility issue with Keychain Access. Nope, no issues, no 
accessibility problems. Just no email account password stored anywhere.


And it can't even be gotten from System Preferences, although it *is* possible 
to change it. There's even a menu accessible from VO-Command-Spacebar with 
options on it like Cut and Copy, but they're all grayed; the only active one is 
Delete. Go figya!


So, if iCloud is so great for synchronizing accounts across devices, what about 
email?


Apple says that, except for mail addresses supported by Apple itself through 
iCloud,  the only way to save an email account's username and password is to 
log into that account via Safari. But what if the email provider doesn't offer 
Web-based email via direct access to the account, i.e., logging directly into 
the Web-based mail system instead of going through CPanel or some other portal? 
Easy and pretty obvious answer: You're stuck--at least that's the polite way of 
putting it (LOL).


So it's back to CPanel login to my domain for me, where I'll have to reset the 
password for the email account in question, go into two Apple devices to update 
it, and then finally create the account on the iPad. You can be sure that when 
I set this account's new password, I'll use a password creation formula I 
devised some time ago and follow it to the letter! That password formula hasn't 
failed me in over twelve years.


So, was there an easier way to have accomplished this, or is an email address 
not associated with the iCloud domain and Apple ecosystem truly on its own? I 
suspect the latter.




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More password weirdness

[Steve Matzura]

After I changed the password for the email account via CPanel on my 
domain (discussed in a previous thread), I went to enter it and restart 
mail fetching on the three devices associated with the account--an iMac 
with up-to-date Monterey, an iPad with whatever the latest iPadOS 
version is, and an iPhone on iOS 15.3.1. The Mac and iPad changes went 
through immediately and successfully. After two hours of tearing my hair 
out because the iPhone change would not work, even after removing and 
re-adding the email account, I had a long and involved screenshare 
session with Apple technical support. More on that conversation in a minute.



I use a password formula for all passwords to all things belonging to 
me. I tried to use the same strategy when coming up with a password for 
this email account. My formula looks something like the following: The 
first five characters are a standard prefix, like Abc12, followed by a 
special character, like maybe the dollar-sign symbol ("$"), followed by 
another three- to five-character string indicating the thing the 
password is for. This time, I went a little outside these parameters in 
the following way: The prefix was the one I always use (and no, it's not 
Abc12), the special character is the one I always use (and no, it's not 
dollar-sign because I've discovered over the years that dollar-sign 
isn't 100% accepted on every place for which a password is needed), and 
the suffix this time contained three letters, a number-sign ("#"), and 
two digits. So, my password looked a little like this: Abc12$Xyz38 - Try 
as I would, iOS kept telling me that there was no password set for the 
email account. Apple watched me painstakingly manually add the account 
and fill in all the fields correctly, always with the same result. Then 
I had a thought: The only thing I did differently when creating this 
password was that for the first time ever, I used the number-sign 
symbol. What would happen if I took that out? I tried it and it worked! 
Needless to say, Nicholas from Apple technical support was quite amazed 
at this and has elevated it to engineering for further study.



Why did the number-sign work as part of an email password on MacOS and 
iPadOS but not on iOS? I don't know yet, but if there's an iOS update in 
the next wee while, I'll bet my number-sign-in-an-email-password problem 
fix will be part of it.


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Attention All Amazon Prime Subscribers

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

I am posting this because I recently discovered a new resource for accessing
/ downloading newly released and more, Audible audiobooks at no additional
charge to Prime subscribers.

Please understand that there is a great deal about Amazon and Amazon prime
benefits that many find rather confusion, including me, so I am just going
to relay my experience and in no way am I posting as an expert.

Okay, the other day, I saw an advertisement for a newly released collection
of short stories that were published on Kindle, only, with audio narration
(narration by Audible).  There was a fee for the collection but the
advertisement stated that Prime members could download and read the
collection for free.

Intrigued, I fired up my trusty iOS Kindle app and opened the Discover tab.

Now remember, I'm going to keep this as simple as possible.  In no way was
my first experience a quick and smooth one for I had no idea of how any of
this worked.

Okay, after opening the Discover tab, I selected the category, "Prime
Reading."  There is also a "Kindle Unlimited" category, which I did not
explore.  

I suspect that the Kindle Unlimited program is to Prime Reading as the
Amazon Music Unlimited program is to Prime Music; a guess, only.

Once I selected Prime Reading, a new screen was displayed.  There are
several sub categories to explore but, in order to search for a specific
title, I selected "Browse the Catalog."

On the next screen, there are two important items to note:  (1) the search
field and (2) the filter button.

Whether you merely want to browse the catalog or search for a specific
title, set the filter to "eBooks with Audible" and launch your search.

All of the resulting titles will be eBooks that have Audible narration that
are free for Prime members to read in Kindle and/or listen to via Audible.

Of course there are many, many ways to navigate through the Prime Reading
universe but the above was the method I used to get started.

What I find most delightful is that I have been able to download some titles
that were published for Kindle, only, and still enjoy the Audible experience
without having to pay additional fees.

Okay, I hope you find this useful.

Happy Reading,

Mark


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Re: CopyClip clipboard manager for Safari - Has anyone got this to work?

['Ron' via MacVisionaries]

Hi there, thanks forr the reply. If I opem Copyclip from the application folder 
I get the message “copyclip has no windows”. If I copy some text from Safari to 
my clipboard I thought there should be a copyclip option in the menu bar. This 
is not there and if I go back to copyclip via Aplication folder I get the 
original message of no window. Maybe I am approaching it incorrectly? Ron.


> On 25 Feb 2022, at 15:41, dan d.  wrote:
> 
> 
> That was the prior version to flycut, free on the app store.  I used it 
> before flycut, what have you found not to work?  Both install the same
> and work the same.  Flycut has more features.
> 
> On Fri, 25 Feb 2022, 'Ron' via MacVisionaries wrote:
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>> Hi there, has anyone used CopyClip.? It is a no frills clipboard manager 
>> that was recommended, but I have been unable to get it to work. I am using 
>> upto date  Monterrey. Thhanks in advance for any help.
>> 
>> 
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Re: CopyClip clipboard manager for Safari - Has anyone got this to work?

['Ron' via MacVisionaries]

Hi there, thanks for the reply, I will check that out, Ron.


> On 25 Feb 2022, at 17:00, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> I use 
> CloudClip Manager - Version 1.4.2.45
> by Thinkbitz Software Studio.
> Free on the App Store.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 25, 2022, at 1:57 AM, 'Ron' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi there, has anyone used CopyClip.? It is a no frills clipboard manager 
>> that was recommended, but I have been unable to get it to work. I am using 
>> upto date  Monterrey. Thhanks in advance for any help.
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