Re: How to change Voiceover voice on Apple Watch

['Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Donna. If it's the Siri voice you want on your watch, go in the Voiceover 
settings and enable Siri voice. Note that the watch will use whatever Siri 
voice you're using on your phone.

Regards,
Shawn,
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> On Jan 14, 2022, at 9:52 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> OK, so I’ve added a second language. But I still don’t see any way to select 
> a different voice. I did this before, so I know it’s possible, I just can’t 
> figure out how to do it again.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 14, 2022, at 7:05 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Go into Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, Rotor Languages and Add a 
>> language. .  Once you’ve added the language, the language option will be in 
>> the rotor and you can swipe up/down when the rotor is on Language to change 
>> the voice.  If someone else has more granular voice options, I’d like to 
>> know.  I’ve been playing a little and got this far, but haven’t figured out 
>> if I can choose between voices within the added language.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jan 14, 2022, at 16:14, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> This morning I had to reset my watch and re-pair it as a new watch.  Now I 
>>> back to the Samantha voice again, and I can’t remember how to change to one 
>>> of the other voices.  Can someone please refresh my memory?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
>>> 
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Re: How to change Voiceover voice on Apple Watch

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Sean,

I don’t see this setting. I’m pretty sure that I’ve seen it in earlier versions 
of watchOS, but I’m not seeing it since repairing my watch. Where is it?
Thanks,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 15, 2022, at 2:01 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna. If it's the Siri voice you want on your watch, go in the Voiceover 
> settings and enable Siri voice. Note that the watch will use whatever Siri 
> voice you're using on your phone.
> 
> Regards,
> Shawn,
> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
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>> On Jan 14, 2022, at 9:52 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> 
>> OK, so I’ve added a second language. But I still don’t see any way to select 
>> a different voice. I did this before, so I know it’s possible, I just can’t 
>> figure out how to do it again.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jan 14, 2022, at 7:05 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Go into Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, Rotor Languages and Add a 
>>> language. .  Once you’ve added the language, the language option will be in 
>>> the rotor and you can swipe up/down when the rotor is on Language to change 
>>> the voice.  If someone else has more granular voice options, I’d like to 
>>> know.  I’ve been playing a little and got this far, but haven’t figured out 
>>> if I can choose between voices within the added language.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jan 14, 2022, at 16:14, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 This morning I had to reset my watch and re-pair it as a new watch.  Now I 
 back to the Samantha voice again, and I can’t remember how to change to 
 one of the other voices.  Can someone please refresh my memory?
 TIA,
 Donna
 
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Re: How to change Voiceover voice on Apple Watch

[Michael Jones]

Hi,

I think what you want to do is the two finger twist right or left to get to the 
language setting.  Once on languate single finger swipe up or down to make your 
selection.

I found this out one day when my watch changed to a language I don't know.

Michael


> On Jan 15, 2022, at 06:51, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Sean,
> 
> I don’t see this setting. I’m pretty sure that I’ve seen it in earlier 
> versions of watchOS, but I’m not seeing it since repairing my watch. Where is 
> it?
> Thanks,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 15, 2022, at 2:01 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna. If it's the Siri voice you want on your watch, go in the 
>> Voiceover settings and enable Siri voice. Note that the watch will use 
>> whatever Siri voice you're using on your phone.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Shawn,
>> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
>> 
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>>> On Jan 14, 2022, at 9:52 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim,
>>> 
>>> OK, so I’ve added a second language. But I still don’t see any way to 
>>> select a different voice. I did this before, so I know it’s possible, I 
>>> just can’t figure out how to do it again.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jan 14, 2022, at 7:05 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:Macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Go into Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, Rotor Languages and Add a 
 language. .  Once you’ve added the language, the language option will be 
 in the rotor and you can swipe up/down when the rotor is on Language to 
 change the voice.  If someone else has more granular voice options, I’d 
 like to know.  I’ve been playing a little and got this far, but haven’t 
 figured out if I can choose between voices within the added language.
 
 Later…
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Jan 14, 2022, at 16:14, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> This morning I had to reset my watch and re-pair it as a new watch.  Now 
> I back to the Samantha voice again, and I can’t remember how to change to 
> one of the other voices.  Can someone please refresh my memory?
> TIA,
> Donna
> 
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Re: How to change Voiceover voice on Apple Watch

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

No, that just changes the language, it doesn’t change the voice, unless you 
have that language alread set to the Siri voice.  Shawn is right, what I need 
is the option that says Turn On Siri Voice, ut I’m not seeing it since the 
re-set.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 15, 2022, at 7:25 AM, Michael Jones  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I think what you want to do is the two finger twist right or left to get to 
> the language setting.  Once on languate single finger swipe up or down to 
> make your selection.
> 
> I found this out one day when my watch changed to a language I don't know.
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
>> On Jan 15, 2022, at 06:51, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Sean,
>> 
>> I don’t see this setting. I’m pretty sure that I’ve seen it in earlier 
>> versions of watchOS, but I’m not seeing it since repairing my watch. Where 
>> is it?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jan 15, 2022, at 2:01 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
>>> Hi Donna. If it's the Siri voice you want on your watch, go in the 
>>> Voiceover settings and enable Siri voice. Note that the watch will use 
>>> whatever Siri voice you're using on your phone.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Shawn,
>>> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
>>> 
>>> Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility 
>>> Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send me a private email 
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>>> 
 On Jan 14, 2022, at 9:52 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi Tim,
 
 OK, so I’ve added a second language. But I still don’t see any way to 
 select a different voice. I did this before, so I know it’s possible, I 
 just can’t figure out how to do it again.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Jan 14, 2022, at 7:05 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
> Hi,
> 
> Go into Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, Rotor Languages and Add a 
> language. .  Once you’ve added the language, the language option will be 
> in the rotor and you can swipe up/down when the rotor is on Language to 
> change the voice.  If someone else has more granular voice options, I’d 
> like to know.  I’ve been playing a little and got this far, but haven’t 
> figured out if I can choose between voices within the added language.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jan 14, 2022, at 16:14, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> This morning I had to reset my watch and re-pair it as a new watch.  Now 
>> I back to the Samantha voice again, and I can’t remember how to change 
>> to one of the other voices.  Can someone please refresh my memory?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
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Re: How to change Voiceover voice on Apple Watch

[alia robinson]

donna, 

you’ll see voiceover on, tap that, and scroll down. there is a toggle to enable 
siri voice for your watch there.  it’s right before the braille settings.
> On Jan 15, 2022, at 8:30 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> No, that just changes the language, it doesn’t change the voice, unless you 
> have that language alread set to the Siri voice.  Shawn is right, what I need 
> is the option that says Turn On Siri Voice, ut I’m not seeing it since the 
> re-set.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jan 15, 2022, at 7:25 AM, Michael Jones  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I think what you want to do is the two finger twist right or left to get to 
>> the language setting.  Once on languate single finger swipe up or down to 
>> make your selection.
>> 
>> I found this out one day when my watch changed to a language I don't know.
>> 
>> Michael
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 15, 2022, at 06:51, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Sean,
>>> 
>>> I don’t see this setting. I’m pretty sure that I’ve seen it in earlier 
>>> versions of watchOS, but I’m not seeing it since repairing my watch. Where 
>>> is it?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jan 15, 2022, at 2:01 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Donna. If it's the Siri voice you want on your watch, go in the 
 Voiceover settings and enable Siri voice. Note that the watch will use 
 whatever Siri voice you're using on your phone.
 
 Regards,
 Shawn,
 Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
 
 Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility 
 Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send me a private email 
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 happily add you.
 
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 Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
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 Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
 
> On Jan 14, 2022, at 9:52 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> OK, so I’ve added a second language. But I still don’t see any way to 
> select a different voice. I did this before, so I know it’s possible, I 
> just can’t figure out how to do it again.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 14, 2022, at 7:05 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Go into Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, Rotor Languages and Add a 
>> language. .  Once you’ve added the language, the language option will be 
>> in the rotor and you can swipe up/down when the rotor is on Language to 
>> change the voice.  If someone else has more granular voice options, I’d 
>> like to know.  I’ve been playing a little and got this far, but haven’t 
>> figured out if I can choose between voices within the added language.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jan 14, 2022, at 16:14, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> This morning I had to reset my watch and re-pair it as a new watch.  
>>> Now I back to the Samantha voice again, and I can’t remember how to 
>>> change to one of the other voices.  Can someone please refresh my 
>>> memory?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
>>> 
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Re: How to change Voiceover voice on Apple Watch

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Alia,

Oddly enough, this morning it was there, but I swear last night it was not.  
Last night I was using the Watch app on my phone though, so maybe that had 
something to do with it.  I’ve noticed that since the re-set, there are a 
number of things that have changed since I first set up the watch two years 
ago.  Now I’m getting the message that Siri will not be able to speak because 
of the language I have selected.  That makes absolutely no sense, since the 
selected language is English US, so I’m assuming that it’s because the voice 
hasn’t yet downloaded.  Dumb error message, though.  It really should say 
something about needing to download the voice.

Thanks for the help.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 15, 2022, at 7:46 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
> 
> donna, 
> 
> you’ll see voiceover on, tap that, and scroll down. there is a toggle to 
> enable siri voice for your watch there.  it’s right before the braille 
> settings.
>> On Jan 15, 2022, at 8:30 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> No, that just changes the language, it doesn’t change the voice, unless you 
>> have that language alread set to the Siri voice.  Shawn is right, what I 
>> need is the option that says Turn On Siri Voice, ut I’m not seeing it since 
>> the re-set.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
 On Jan 15, 2022, at 7:25 AM, Michael Jones  wrote:
 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I think what you want to do is the two finger twist right or left to get to 
>>> the language setting.  Once on languate single finger swipe up or down to 
>>> make your selection.
>>> 
>>> I found this out one day when my watch changed to a language I don't know.
>>> 
>>> Michael
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 15, 2022, at 06:51, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi Sean,
 
 I don’t see this setting. I’m pretty sure that I’ve seen it in earlier 
 versions of watchOS, but I’m not seeing it since repairing my watch. Where 
 is it?
 Thanks,
 Donna
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Jan 15, 2022, at 2:01 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
> Hi Donna. If it's the Siri voice you want on your watch, go in the 
> Voiceover settings and enable Siri voice. Note that the watch will use 
> whatever Siri voice you're using on your phone.
> 
> Regards,
> Shawn,
> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
> 
> Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility 
> Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send me a private email 
> with your contact information and the group you wish to join and I'll 
> happily add you.
> 
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
>> On Jan 14, 2022, at 9:52 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> 
>> OK, so I’ve added a second language. But I still don’t see any way to 
>> select a different voice. I did this before, so I know it’s possible, I 
>> just can’t figure out how to do it again.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jan 14, 2022, at 7:05 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Go into Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, Rotor Languages and Add a 
>>> language. .  Once you’ve added the language, the language option will 
>>> be in the rotor and you can swipe up/down when the rotor is on Language 
>>> to change the voice.  If someone else has more granular voice options, 
>>> I’d like to know.  I’ve been playing a little and got this far, but 
>>> haven’t figured out if I can choose between voices within the added 
>>> language.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jan 14, 2022, at 16:14, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 This morning I had to reset my watch and re-pair it as a new watch.  
 Now I back to the Samantha voice again, and I can’t remember how to 
 change to one of the other voices.  Can someone please refresh my 
 memory?
 TIA,
 Donna
 
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Re: How to change Voiceover voice on Apple Watch

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Donna,

Yes, I found that horribly early this morning when I was supposed to be 
sleeping.  That’s what happens when you get old.  Odd sleep patterns, and 
remember things in the middle of the night.  Anyway, you need to put the watch 
on the charger to get it to download the new Siri voice.  I also think that if 
you’re using the Siri voice, then you probably don’t need any extra languages 
in the rotor.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jan 15, 2022, at 07:45, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Alia,
> 
> Oddly enough, this morning it was there, but I swear last night it was not.  
> Last night I was using the Watch app on my phone though, so maybe that had 
> something to do with it.  I’ve noticed that since the re-set, there are a 
> number of things that have changed since I first set up the watch two years 
> ago.  Now I’m getting the message that Siri will not be able to speak because 
> of the language I have selected.  That makes absolutely no sense, since the 
> selected language is English US, so I’m assuming that it’s because the voice 
> hasn’t yet downloaded.  Dumb error message, though.  It really should say 
> something about needing to download the voice.
> 
> Thanks for the help.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jan 15, 2022, at 7:46 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> donna, 
>> 
>> you’ll see voiceover on, tap that, and scroll down. there is a toggle to 
>> enable siri voice for your watch there.  it’s right before the braille 
>> settings.
>>> On Jan 15, 2022, at 8:30 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> No, that just changes the language, it doesn’t change the voice, unless you 
>>> have that language alread set to the Siri voice.  Shawn is right, what I 
>>> need is the option that says Turn On Siri Voice, ut I’m not seeing it since 
>>> the re-set.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Jan 15, 2022, at 7:25 AM, Michael Jones >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I think what you want to do is the two finger twist right or left to get 
 to the language setting.  Once on languate single finger swipe up or down 
 to make your selection.
 
 I found this out one day when my watch changed to a language I don't know.
 
 Michael
 
 
> On Jan 15, 2022, at 06:51, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Sean,
> 
> I don’t see this setting. I’m pretty sure that I’ve seen it in earlier 
> versions of watchOS, but I’m not seeing it since repairing my watch. 
> Where is it?
> Thanks,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 15, 2022, at 2:01 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna. If it's the Siri voice you want on your watch, go in the 
>> Voiceover settings and enable Siri voice. Note that the watch will use 
>> whatever Siri voice you're using on your phone.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Shawn,
>> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
>> 
>> Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility 
>> Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send me a private email 
>> with your contact information and the group you wish to join and I'll 
>> happily add you.
>> 
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>> 
>>> On Jan 14, 2022, at 9:52 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim,
>>> 
>>> OK, so I’ve added a second language. But I still don’t see any way to 
>>> select a different voice. I did this before, so I know it’s possible, I 
>>> just can’t figure out how to do it again.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jan 14, 2022, at 7:05 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Go into Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, Rotor Languages and Add a 
 language. .  Once you’ve added the language, the language option will 
 be in the rotor and you can swipe up/down when the rotor is on 
 Language to change the voice.  If someone else has more granular voice 
 options, I’d like to know.  I’ve been playing a little and got this 
 far, but haven’t figured out if I can choose between voices within the 
 added language.
 
 Later…
 
 
 Tim Kilbur

Re: How to change Voiceover voice on Apple Watch

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Anyone have an idea how long it takes to download the Siri voice?  I’ve had the 
watch on the charger for an hour, and I’m still getting that same error 
message.  I wish there was some way to know for sure that it was actually 
downloading the voice.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jan 15, 2022, at 11:04 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> Yes, I found that horribly early this morning when I was supposed to be 
> sleeping.  That’s what happens when you get old.  Odd sleep patterns, and 
> remember things in the middle of the night.  Anyway, you need to put the 
> watch on the charger to get it to download the new Siri voice.  I also think 
> that if you’re using the Siri voice, then you probably don’t need any extra 
> languages in the rotor.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jan 15, 2022, at 07:45, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Alia,
>> 
>> Oddly enough, this morning it was there, but I swear last night it was not.  
>> Last night I was using the Watch app on my phone though, so maybe that had 
>> something to do with it.  I’ve noticed that since the re-set, there are a 
>> number of things that have changed since I first set up the watch two years 
>> ago.  Now I’m getting the message that Siri will not be able to speak 
>> because of the language I have selected.  That makes absolutely no sense, 
>> since the selected language is English US, so I’m assuming that it’s because 
>> the voice hasn’t yet downloaded.  Dumb error message, though.  It really 
>> should say something about needing to download the voice.
>> 
>> Thanks for the help.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jan 15, 2022, at 7:46 AM, alia robinson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> donna, 
>>> 
>>> you’ll see voiceover on, tap that, and scroll down. there is a toggle to 
>>> enable siri voice for your watch there.  it’s right before the braille 
>>> settings.
 On Jan 15, 2022, at 8:30 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 No, that just changes the language, it doesn’t change the voice, unless 
 you have that language alread set to the Siri voice.  Shawn is right, what 
 I need is the option that says Turn On Siri Voice, ut I’m not seeing it 
 since the re-set.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
> On Jan 15, 2022, at 7:25 AM, Michael Jones  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I think what you want to do is the two finger twist right or left to get 
> to the language setting.  Once on languate single finger swipe up or down 
> to make your selection.
> 
> I found this out one day when my watch changed to a language I don't know.
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
>> On Jan 15, 2022, at 06:51, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Sean,
>> 
>> I don’t see this setting. I’m pretty sure that I’ve seen it in earlier 
>> versions of watchOS, but I’m not seeing it since repairing my watch. 
>> Where is it?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 15, 2022, at 2:01 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna. If it's the Siri voice you want on your watch, go in the 
>>> Voiceover settings and enable Siri voice. Note that the watch will use 
>>> whatever Siri voice you're using on your phone.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Shawn,
>>> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
>>> 
>>> Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility 
>>> Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send me a private 
>>> email with your contact information and the group you wish to join and 
>>> I'll happily add you.
>>> 
>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>>> 
 On Jan 14, 2022, at 9:52 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi Tim,
 
 OK, so I’ve added a second language. But I still don’t see any way to 
 select a different voice. I did this before, so I know it’s possible, 
 I just can’t figure out how to do it again.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jan 14, 2022, at 7:05 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>

Re: How to change Voiceover voice on Apple Watch

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I’m not sure.  I tried it for an hour as well without luck.  Maybe I’ll leave 
it on the charger overnight to see if it does it.  It will mess up my sleep 
record, but I don’t appear to sleep that much anyway.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jan 15, 2022, at 13:12, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Anyone have an idea how long it takes to download the Siri voice?  I’ve had 
> the watch on the charger for an hour, and I’m still getting that same error 
> message.  I wish there was some way to know for sure that it was actually 
> downloading the voice.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jan 15, 2022, at 11:04 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:Macvisionaries@Googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> Yes, I found that horribly early this morning when I was supposed to be 
>> sleeping.  That’s what happens when you get old.  Odd sleep patterns, and 
>> remember things in the middle of the night.  Anyway, you need to put the 
>> watch on the charger to get it to download the new Siri voice.  I also think 
>> that if you’re using the Siri voice, then you probably don’t need any extra 
>> languages in the rotor.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jan 15, 2022, at 07:45, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Alia,
>>> 
>>> Oddly enough, this morning it was there, but I swear last night it was not. 
>>>  Last night I was using the Watch app on my phone though, so maybe that had 
>>> something to do with it.  I’ve noticed that since the re-set, there are a 
>>> number of things that have changed since I first set up the watch two years 
>>> ago.  Now I’m getting the message that Siri will not be able to speak 
>>> because of the language I have selected.  That makes absolutely no sense, 
>>> since the selected language is English US, so I’m assuming that it’s 
>>> because the voice hasn’t yet downloaded.  Dumb error message, though.  It 
>>> really should say something about needing to download the voice.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the help.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Jan 15, 2022, at 7:46 AM, alia robinson >>> > wrote:
 
 donna, 
 
 you’ll see voiceover on, tap that, and scroll down. there is a toggle to 
 enable siri voice for your watch there.  it’s right before the braille 
 settings.
> On Jan 15, 2022, at 8:30 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> No, that just changes the language, it doesn’t change the voice, unless 
> you have that language alread set to the Siri voice.  Shawn is right, 
> what I need is the option that says Turn On Siri Voice, ut I’m not seeing 
> it since the re-set.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jan 15, 2022, at 7:25 AM, Michael Jones > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I think what you want to do is the two finger twist right or left to get 
>> to the language setting.  Once on languate single finger swipe up or 
>> down to make your selection.
>> 
>> I found this out one day when my watch changed to a language I don't 
>> know.
>> 
>> Michael
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 15, 2022, at 06:51, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Sean,
>>> 
>>> I don’t see this setting. I’m pretty sure that I’ve seen it in earlier 
>>> versions of watchOS, but I’m not seeing it since repairing my watch. 
>>> Where is it?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jan 15, 2022, at 2:01 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
 >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi Donna. If it's the Siri voice you want on your watch, go in the 
 Voiceover settings and enable Siri voice. Note that the watch will use 
 whatever Siri voice you're using on your phone.
 
 Regards,
 Shawn,
 Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
 
 Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, 
 Accessibility Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send me 
 a private email with your contact information and the group you wish 
 to join and I'll happily add you.
 
 Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
 Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
 Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
 Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
 
> 

Re: How to change Voiceover voice on Apple Watch

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Tim,

I finally got it to work.  I had to power the watch off and back on, and then 
the option to turn on the SIRI voice worked.

I feel your pain re sleep.  When my watch self-destructed, it was four AM, and 
of course I couldn’t go back to sleep because I was trying to figure out what 
was going on.  Have you tried Melatonin?  I Take the 10MG tablets, and they 
help a lot, (barring self-destructing watches).  Just FYI, for me the gummies 
are less helpful.  I think it’s because they get into my system too fast, and 
so don’t help me go back to sleep when I wake up at 3 AM.  Just a suggestion. 
:) 
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jan 15, 2022, at 6:07 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I’m not sure.  I tried it for an hour as well without luck.  Maybe I’ll leave 
> it on the charger overnight to see if it does it.  It will mess up my sleep 
> record, but I don’t appear to sleep that much anyway.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jan 15, 2022, at 13:12, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Anyone have an idea how long it takes to download the Siri voice?  I’ve had 
>> the watch on the charger for an hour, and I’m still getting that same error 
>> message.  I wish there was some way to know for sure that it was actually 
>> downloading the voice.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 15, 2022, at 11:04 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:Macvisionaries@Googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> 
>>> Yes, I found that horribly early this morning when I was supposed to be 
>>> sleeping.  That’s what happens when you get old.  Odd sleep patterns, and 
>>> remember things in the middle of the night.  Anyway, you need to put the 
>>> watch on the charger to get it to download the new Siri voice.  I also 
>>> think that if you’re using the Siri voice, then you probably don’t need any 
>>> extra languages in the rotor.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jan 15, 2022, at 07:45, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Alia,
 
 Oddly enough, this morning it was there, but I swear last night it was 
 not.  Last night I was using the Watch app on my phone though, so maybe 
 that had something to do with it.  I’ve noticed that since the re-set, 
 there are a number of things that have changed since I first set up the 
 watch two years ago.  Now I’m getting the message that Siri will not be 
 able to speak because of the language I have selected.  That makes 
 absolutely no sense, since the selected language is English US, so I’m 
 assuming that it’s because the voice hasn’t yet downloaded.  Dumb error 
 message, though.  It really should say something about needing to download 
 the voice.
 
 Thanks for the help.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
> On Jan 15, 2022, at 7:46 AM, alia robinson  > wrote:
> 
> donna, 
> 
> you’ll see voiceover on, tap that, and scroll down. there is a toggle to 
> enable siri voice for your watch there.  it’s right before the braille 
> settings.
>> On Jan 15, 2022, at 8:30 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> No, that just changes the language, it doesn’t change the voice, unless 
>> you have that language alread set to the Siri voice.  Shawn is right, 
>> what I need is the option that says Turn On Siri Voice, ut I’m not 
>> seeing it since the re-set.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jan 15, 2022, at 7:25 AM, Michael Jones >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I think what you want to do is the two finger twist right or left to 
>>> get to the language setting.  Once on languate single finger swipe up 
>>> or down to make your selection.
>>> 
>>> I found this out one day when my watch changed to a language I don't 
>>> know.
>>> 
>>> Michael
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 15, 2022, at 06:51, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi Sean,
 
 I don’t see this setting. I’m pretty sure that I’ve seen it in earlier 
 versions of watchOS, but I’m not seeing it since repairing my watch. 
 Where is it?
 Thanks,
 Donna
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jan 15, 2022, at 2:01 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisi

Voiceover On, Speech Off -- Yet Again

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

I'm getting no response from a three-finger double tap on the trackpad.
So, I'm unsure how I turned speech off in the first instance.

Is there any way to control this in the terminal?

Best,

Janina

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Conflict between sending mail from mac and receiving on a PC

[Gabe Griffith]

Hello all, 


I'll try to explain my situation and see if anyone has come across this or has 
any thoughts. 


I'm the president of a board and we have an email list not unlike this one. 
When I send emails to the list it seems people reading them on a mac or iPhone 
can read the text of the emails but for pretty much any members who are reading 
the emails on a PC does not see the text. They are able to access any 
attachments but the rest of the body of the email appears blank. One of my 
board members has tested this by looking at the emails on both his PC and his 
iPhone. 


I very much look forward to hearing any suggestions. 

Thank you, 


Gabe 


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Re: Conflict between sending mail from mac and receiving on a PC

[Dave Carlson]

Change your settings so that you are composing only inn plain text.

Dave Carlson
Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer

On Jan 15, 2022, at 8:20 PM, Gabe Griffith  wrote:

Hello all, 


I'll try to explain my situation and see if anyone has come across this or has 
any thoughts. 


I'm the president of a board and we have an email list not unlike this one. 
When I send emails to the list it seems people reading them on a mac or iPhone 
can read the text of the emails but for pretty much any members who are reading 
the emails on a PC does not see the text. They are able to access any 
attachments but the rest of the body of the email appears blank. One of my 
board members has tested this by looking at the emails on both his PC and his 
iPhone. 


I very much look forward to hearing any suggestions. 

Thank you, 


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