Re: Alternate Browsers on Mac

[Greg Wocher]

Hello,
The beta version is a few headings above the developer one on the page I sent. 
The developer version is similar to the beta but its updated more frequently. 
THe beta version tends to be a bit more stable.

Greg Wocher


> On Dec 12, 2021, at 9:57 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> Greg,
> I found a developers version. Is that what you meant by a beta version?
> 
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Problems with VoiceOver and Music app in Monterey

['Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries]

Does anyone else have problems with focus in the Music app? If I go into a 
playlist of any type, the focus stays with the first item, despite any command 
to change it. So even though I arrow down through the list and can play 
whatever song I am on, the focus is not there if I want to do anything with 
that specific item, such as add it to my library or download it etc.

Kristeen

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Re: Alternate Browsers on Mac

[Dave Carlson]

Greg,
Okay, I found it. But it seems to have the same issues with not responding to a 
Cmd-Opt-F search on the page.

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Re: Problems with VoiceOver and Music app in Monterey

[Patrick Ford]

I'm not sure how to do this or what it is called - but it sounds as if your 
voice over curser is set wrong - I never have or have had the problem you are 
experiencing - if you can find out in voice over settings how your voice over 
curser is set and how it should be set then I think your focus problem will go 
away -
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> On Dec 13, 2021, at 7:56 AM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
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> Does anyone else have problems with focus in the Music app? If I go into a 
> playlist of any type, the focus stays with the first item, despite any 
> command to change it. So even though I arrow down through the list and can 
> play whatever song I am on, the focus is not there if I want to do anything 
> with that specific item, such as add it to my library or download it etc.
> 
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Re: Alternate Browsers on Mac

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hello,
I confirmed this now on my system. A workaround is to use item chooser 
control-option-I and waiting for about a second and then Voiceover should say 
XXX items. Then start typing  your search term. I will get a bugzilla item 
created today and let folks here know the ticket number.
I do know from some searching over the weekend, when I was looking for 
performance issues with JAWS and Firefox that the Firefox team has a project to 
improve response for the accessibility tree lookups.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Dec 13, 2021, at 08:18, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> Greg,
> Okay, I found it. But it seems to have the same issues with not responding to 
> a Cmd-Opt-F search on the page.
> 
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Re: Problems with VoiceOver and Music app in Monterey

[Jonathan Cohn]

Well, in looking at my Library I was not able to reproduce. That being said you 
were not very specific about the commands you were using.

I turned off VO-tracking and used VO keys to move the VO cursor to The Beatles 
in the artist list. I then pressed VO-shift-M  and several options were 
presented to me including "Play the beatles."

Somethings to try:
1. press VO-F3 and VO-F4 to see if VO and Keyboard focus are in the same place. 
You can also try VO-F6 to find out what is currently selected. VO-F5 tells you 
what is under the mouse.
If VoiceOver cursor tracking is turned off and you use VO-F1 twice to switch 
applications that VO is in you would hear something like:
"Music has keyboard focus. The VoiceOver cursor is in Mail 7 running 
applications current activity Mail" 
when pressing VO-F1 once.

  

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Dec 13, 2021, at 07:56, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
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> Does anyone else have problems with focus in the Music app? If I go into a 
> playlist of any type, the focus stays with the first item, despite any 
> command to change it. So even though I arrow down through the list and can 
> play whatever song I am on, the focus is not there if I want to do anything 
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> 
> Kristeen
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Re: How to Finish Opening a DMG File

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Exactly what Brad said, except that it is cmd-c and cmd-v for the Copy and 
Paste action.  Again, drag & drop is unnecessary.  DMG files are similar to an 
ISO on Windows in that they are disk images and will connect volumes to your 
Mac which are represented on the Desktop.  They are not items that can be 
packaged like pkg installers, so they cannot be automated in the same manner.

Later…


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> On Dec 12, 2021, at 22:01, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> You need to copy and paste the app file into your applications folder.
> No need to drag and drop. CTRL + C, and CTRL + V, will do the trick.
> Then close the open volume window on your desktop, and find the volume icon 
> on your desktop, and eject it using CMD + E.
> Thats all there is to it.
> 
> - Brad -
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> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 12, 2021, at 21:36, Dave Carlson  > wrote:
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> I can’t figure out exactly what to do with a DMG file. I know that Cmd+O 
> opens the file, and then there’s an .app file sitting all by itself. What do 
> I do next?
> Why doesn’t it automatically get dropped into my Applications folder, ready 
> to use?
> And why does it put an entry on my desktop for starting it?
> When I try to move it to my applications folder I get complaints that there 
> are locked items in the Trash. What is all that about?
> A sighted friend just said all I need to do is to drag that .app file into my 
> applications folder. Yeah, sure.
> Any tips?
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Re: How to Finish Opening a DMG File

[Brad Snyder]

Thanks Tim,
Apparently I did not have my Apple hat on last night when I wrote that. Lol!

- Brad -

On Dec 13, 2021, at 09:13, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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Hi,

Exactly what Brad said, except that it is cmd-c and cmd-v for the Copy and 
Paste action.  Again, drag & drop is unnecessary.  DMG files are similar to an 
ISO on Windows in that they are disk images and will connect volumes to your 
Mac which are represented on the Desktop.  They are not items that can be 
packaged like pkg installers, so they cannot be automated in the same manner.

Later…


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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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> On Dec 12, 2021, at 22:01, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> You need to copy and paste the app file into your applications folder.
> No need to drag and drop. CTRL + C, and CTRL + V, will do the trick.
> Then close the open volume window on your desktop, and find the volume icon 
> on your desktop, and eject it using CMD + E.
> Thats all there is to it.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 12, 2021, at 21:36, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> I can’t figure out exactly what to do with a DMG file. I know that Cmd+O 
> opens the file, and then there’s an .app file sitting all by itself. What do 
> I do next?
> Why doesn’t it automatically get dropped into my Applications folder, ready 
> to use?
> And why does it put an entry on my desktop for starting it?
> When I try to move it to my applications folder I get complaints that there 
> are locked items in the Trash. What is all that about?
> A sighted friend just said all I need to do is to drag that .app file into my 
> applications folder. Yeah, sure.
> Any tips?
> 
> 
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Dropbox dmg won't open.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi folks!
I haven’t been writing here for a very long time due to mail issues.
I have downloaded dropbox and out came down fine but the dmg is not opening 
when I press Vo space on it.
Nothing happens at all.
Other dmg files seem to work well.
Any ideas.
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Re: Dropbox dmg won't open.

[Dave Carlson]

Anders, use Cmd-o or Cmd-Downarrow

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Re: Dropbox dmg won't open.

[Brad Snyder]

Look for the volume on the desktop.
I installed Dropbox on my new MB Pro recently, and the DMG would not 
automatically open the volume.  I had to manually access the volume icon on my 
desktop, and open it using CMD + DownArrow, then all proceeded as normal.

HTH.

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On Dec 13, 2021, at 10:53, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi folks!
I haven’t been writing here for a very long time due to mail issues.
I have downloaded dropbox and out came down fine but the dmg is not opening 
when I press Vo space on it.
Nothing happens at all.
Other dmg files seem to work well.
Any ideas.
/A

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Test ignore.

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RE: How to Finish Opening a DMG File

[Frank Ventura]

Copy the .app file from the DMG and paste it into your applications folder.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Dave Carlson
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2021 10:36 PM
To: Mac Visionaries 
Cc: David Carlson 
Subject: How to Finish Opening a DMG File

I can’t figure out exactly what to do with a DMG file. I know that Cmd+O opens 
the file, and then there’s an .app file sitting all by itself. What do I do 
next?
Why doesn’t it automatically get dropped into my Applications folder, ready to 
use?
And why does it put an entry on my desktop for starting it?
When I try to move it to my applications folder I get complaints that there are 
locked items in the Trash. What is all that about?
A sighted friend just said all I need to do is to drag that .app file into my 
applications folder. Yeah, sure.
Any tips?


Dave Carlson
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Re: Any tweescake users on this list.

[matthew dyer]

Hi,

I looked there several times and did not see the option to allow it.  I am 
guessing that it may just not be commpatible with montorety.  There must be 
something I am missing something somewhere.

Matthew



> On Dec 12, 2021, at 6:16 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> I would try the privacy and security settings in System Preferences and see 
> if you can allow it  through that way.
> 
>> On Dec 12, 2021, at 16:27, matthew dyer  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I am trying to get tweescake to open, but Mac OS does not see this as a 
>> known developer.  Usually bringing up the menu and selecting open works, but 
>> in this case this does not work.  Is there a work around for this.  I did 
>> not see the open anyway option.  Are there any users here who have gotten 
>> this to wo work?  Thanks.
>> 
>> Matthew
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Can't open dmg.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I am trying to install dropbox but I can’t open the dmg file that I have 
downloaded. 
Any thoughts on this.
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Re: Can't open dmg.

[Brad Snyder]

As I responded to you earlier, look for the dropbox image volume on the 
desktop. You'll probably need to open it manually using CMD plus DownArrow.

- Brad -

On Dec 13, 2021, at 15:21, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
I am trying to install dropbox but I can’t open the dmg file that I have 
downloaded. 
Any thoughts on this.
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How To Use Preview?

['Joy Cyr' via MacVisionaries]

Good day,
I've always wondered but now as I am downloading course material it has become 
critical what is the most effective way to read through a document that default 
opens in Preview?  Later I may want to jump to specific points in it, and I've 
seen things in the menu that make that look fairly easy to do, but for now I'd 
like to start at the beginning and read through (preferably without needing to 
constantly press the arrow keys) to the end.  I've tried VO A repeatedly  but 
sometimes it does nothing or at the best it reads a line and I need to arrow 
forward (to the right) and then hit it again.  Really not helpful!

All advice and suggestions would be most appreciated!
Joy

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Re: Alternate Browsers on Mac

['ja...@jasonjgw.net' via MacVisionaries]

The VO-F (find) function works here under Mac OS 12.1 with Firefox 95. I 
visited a Web page and searched for text that I knew would be there – and found 
it without issue.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Jonathan Cohn 
Date: Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 12:41
To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Alternate Browsers on Mac
I'm going to try and consolidate a few answers here.

David originally asked about Safari and filling in passwords and form fields. I 
believe this is not a Safari issue, but a web site putting do not autofill on 
the password field, and then Safari paying attention to this. This of course 
makes sense for older browsers where there were no protections for the password 
keep within the browser. I use 1Password to manage all my passwords rather than 
the default browser password storage solutions which are different for each 
browser vendor. With one password, I type command-\ and it will fill in my 
username/password / one time password automatically. Generally, 1Password costs 
a few dollars a month, but if you search carefully, you can find a non network 
based version for a one time cost. 1Password is definitely more accessible than 
lastpass which is what my office provides.

Somebody mentioned (was that David too?) that the VO find function was not 
working for them in Firefox. I haven't tested that recently, since I have been 
concentrating on Windows 11 accessibility for work recently and won't get back 
to looking at VoiceOver and Firefox for a couple months. I don't remember 
testing the search function but the item chooser did work in version 91 which 
is the last time I checked.
Eric, I'd be glad to advise you some, but just saying something works weird 
gives me no way of knowing what issues you were seeing. I'd be glad to bring up 
Firefox some and see if I can reproduce / work around your issues if I knew 
what they were.
Lastly, since I mentioned my workplace, let me just say that I don't work for a 
browser developer.


Jonathan Cohn



On Dec 12, 2021, at 01:09, Eric Oyen 
mailto:eric.o...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hmmm, that’s news to me. The last time I tried Firefox on OS X Catalina it 
turned out be very frustrating. Are there any settings I should be aware of to 
make it easier to use?

Thanks,

-Eric



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On 11/12/21 15:29, Eric Oyen wrote:

Oh, and forget about Firefox as it is barely accessible and tends not to render 
some sites in a way the screen reader understands).
Recent versions of Firefox are very accessible with VoiceOver. Mozilla recently 
rewrote their Mac OS accessibility API support completely.

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Re: How To Use Preview?

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It’s simple, interact with the document and you will see page numbers. Interact 
with the page you want to start with and you can begin reading.

> On Dec 13, 2021, at 16:39, 'Joy Cyr' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Good day,
> I've always wondered but now as I am downloading course material it has 
> become critical what is the most effective way to read through a document 
> that default opens in Preview?  Later I may want to jump to specific points 
> in it, and I've seen things in the menu that make that look fairly easy to 
> do, but for now I'd like to start at the beginning and read through 
> (preferably without needing to constantly press the arrow keys) to the end.  
> I've tried VO A repeatedly  but sometimes it does nothing or at the best it 
> reads a line and I need to arrow forward (to the right) and then hit it 
> again.  Really not helpful!
> 
> All advice and suggestions would be most appreciated!
> Joy
> 
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Re: How To Use Preview?

[Caitlyn Furness]

Will vo read continuously?

Cait


> On Dec 13, 2021, at 9:23 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> It’s simple, interact with the document and you will see page numbers. 
> Interact with the page you want to start with and you can begin reading.
> 
>> On Dec 13, 2021, at 16:39, 'Joy Cyr' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Good day,
>> I've always wondered but now as I am downloading course material it has 
>> become critical what is the most effective way to read through a document 
>> that default opens in Preview?  Later I may want to jump to specific points 
>> in it, and I've seen things in the menu that make that look fairly easy to 
>> do, but for now I'd like to start at the beginning and read through 
>> (preferably without needing to constantly press the arrow keys) to the end.  
>> I've tried VO A repeatedly  but sometimes it does nothing or at the best it 
>> reads a line and I need to arrow forward (to the right) and then hit it 
>> again.  Really not helpful!
>> 
>> All advice and suggestions would be most appreciated!
>> Joy
>> 
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>> butterfly.” -- Chuang Tzu
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Re: Alternate Browsers on Mac

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Hello,
I had searched for the Ward magazine on the nytimes.com website. Which should 
be a link. Perhaps, fire fox will only search for a text using that and not for 
lakes?
It would be interesting to check a little further.
Jonathan

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 13, 2021, at 7:16 PM, 'ja...@jasonjgw.net' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> 
> The VO-F (find) function works here under Mac OS 12.1 with Firefox 95. I 
> visited a Web page and searched for text that I knew would be there – and 
> found it without issue.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
> behalf of Jonathan Cohn 
> Date: Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 12:41
> To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: Alternate Browsers on Mac
> 
> I'm going to try and consolidate a few answers here.
>  
> David originally asked about Safari and filling in passwords and form fields. 
> I believe this is not a Safari issue, but a web site putting do not autofill 
> on the password field, and then Safari paying attention to this. This of 
> course makes sense for older browsers where there were no protections for the 
> password keep within the browser. I use 1Password to manage all my passwords 
> rather than the default browser password storage solutions which are 
> different for each browser vendor. With one password, I type command-\ and it 
> will fill in my username/password / one time password automatically. 
> Generally, 1Password costs a few dollars a month, but if you search 
> carefully, you can find a non network based version for a one time cost. 
> 1Password is definitely more accessible than lastpass which is what my office 
> provides.
>  
> Somebody mentioned (was that David too?) that the VO find function was not 
> working for them in Firefox. I haven't tested that recently, since I have 
> been concentrating on Windows 11 accessibility for work recently and won't 
> get back to looking at VoiceOver and Firefox for a couple months. I don't 
> remember testing the search function but the item chooser did work in version 
> 91 which is the last time I checked.
> Eric, I'd be glad to advise you some, but just saying something works weird 
> gives me no way of knowing what issues you were seeing. I'd be glad to bring 
> up Firefox some and see if I can reproduce / work around your issues if I 
> knew what they were. 
> Lastly, since I mentioned my workplace, let me just say that I don't work for 
> a browser developer.
>  
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 12, 2021, at 01:09, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>  
> Hmmm, that’s news to me. The last time I tried Firefox on OS X Catalina it 
> turned out be very frustrating. Are there any settings I should be aware of 
> to make it easier to use?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -Eric
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 11, 2021, at 3:48 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 11/12/21 15:29, Eric Oyen wrote:
> 
> Oh, and forget about Firefox as it is barely accessible and tends not to 
> render some sites in a way the screen reader understands).
> Recent versions of Firefox are very accessible with VoiceOver. Mozilla 
> recently rewrote their Mac OS accessibility API support completely.
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Right AirPod Pro stopped working

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

So this is a two-part question.

1.  For no reason that I can determine, my right AirPod no longer works.  I 
don’t know what caused this, but I did get a weird random message a while ago 
that I’d left my Airpods  pro somewhere else.  I hadn’t, they were right there 
with me in my purse.  Anyone know if there’s a fix for this?

2.  If there isn’t, what’s the latest on when the next gen Airpods are due out? 
 I don’t want to buy a new pair, only to have the next gen come out in two 
months.
Cheers,
Donna

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Re: Right AirPod Pro stopped working

[Dave Carlson]

Possible that your right AirPods didn’t get charged?

Dave Carlson
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