Re: What audio editing apps work well on the Mac with Voiceover

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hello,

how interesting. Sound Forge was always my favorit sound editor until Magix 
stopped its development. Is it really back? Just found a download page from 
Magix. But I haven’t heard or its come back. Would be great. Do you have 
experiences using it?

All the best
Jürgen


> Am 11.08.2021 um 18:51 schrieb Cara Quinn :
> 
> Just to add a bit to this thread and clear up a possible misunderstanding.
> 
> I haven’t seen anyone mention Sound forge (now owned by Magix), Sound Studio 
> or Wave Pad.
> 
> It’s been a while since I’ve used these but they might be of help.
> 
> One tip for Sound Studio, at least used to be to turn off cursor tracking, 
> which made the app work quite well with VO.
> 
> Also, since Sound Forge Pro is now about $300 US, Logic Pro may be a better 
> option if you would like a complete professional solution with less cost.
> 
> Secondly, on the subject of Logic, having used both ProTools and Logic, I’m 
> wondering what issues people are finding with the accessibility of Logic?
> 
> I use it on a daily basis for audio editing and production work and can vouch 
> for an extraordinarily high level of accessibility with VO.
> 
> So hope this helps.
> 
> Have a great day!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 9, 2021, at 3:32 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> I still wonder why mac’s own Logic Pro isn’t better supported by VoiceOver.
>> It  works and  I am not a good user but it should  work better I think.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 8 aug. 2021 kl. 23:08 skrev Karen Lewellen :
>>> 
>>> well...yes.
>>> Pro tools is a roles Royce or Mercedes
>>> Many here may only need a ford, or even just a bicycle for their sound work.
>>> Do not mistake me, Pro tools  is the program on which my radio production 
>>> work is based, long before the supports Chuck speaks of even existed.
>>> But,  there is a professional reason for that investment.
>>> One not everyone needs to make.
>>> Kare
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, 8 Aug 2021, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>>> 
 Hi!
 But come on Chuck!
 I don’t do music and I don’t need a costly app with thousands of effects 
 and features.
 Yes I believe you.
 But most people can’t afford that.
 /A
 
> 8 aug. 2021 kl. 21:05 skrev Chuck Reichel 
> :
> 
> Hi Guys,
> The short answer is Avid Pro Tools.
> I’ve been editing audio with it for many years now and its straight 
> forward but does cost a bit.
> Our Avid beta teem is constantly working to keep accessibility in the 
> forefront for Pro Tools! :)
> 
> Talk soon
> Chuck
> 
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2021, at 11:25 AM, Herbie Allen > > wrote:
>> 
>> Amadeus Pro is a great app. A bit querky perhaps, but once you start 
>> practicing, you get used to how it works.
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2021, at 10:08, Anders Holmberg >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> No I don't think so.
>>> I haven’t found any.
>>> /A
>>> 
 8 aug. 2021 kl. 16:10 skrev Frank Ventura 
 >>> >:
 
 I would be interested in Twistedwave, are there any tutorials for it?
 
 thanks
 
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  
 >>> > On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
 Sent: Sunday, August 8, 2021 10:07 AM
 To: 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries >>> >
 Subject: Re: What audio editing apps work well on the Mac with 
 Voiceover
 
 Hi!
 There is Amadeus Pro but its not very easy to use but works very well.
 Jonathan Mosen has made a daisy book on how to use the Amadeus Pro.
 There is also twisted wave which also is available for iOS.
 I was going to learn it but there has been so much things in the way.
 /A
 
 
 8 aug. 2021 kl. 04:40 skrev Frank Ventura 
 >>> >:
 
 Hi all, can anyone recommend an easy to use audio editing program for 
 the Mac that works well with voice over? Also any tutorials would also 
 be appreciated. Thanks
 
 Frank Ventura
 
 
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Voice Over typing feedback in Safari based survey

[Ian Harrison]

Hi all,
recently I tried to complete an online survey, about accessibility would you 
believe, and came across a problem when trying to respond a text entry box. I 
got the usual text edit prompt but it was followed by something like ‘object 
replacement’. When I attempt to type there is no longer any letter or word 
feedback and I have no idea if it is accepting my typing.

I tried various ways of interacting further and tried it with quicknave both on 
or off.

Is this a bug or is there a workaround?

Thanks as always
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Re: More info in disappearing settings icons

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Thanks Greg.  This is an awesome find.  Excellent that it can be done without 
sighted assistance.  Thanks again.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Aug 10, 2021, at 1:37 PM, Greg Wocher  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> If you open up the app switcher, then put focus on the problem app you can 
> turn the rotor here to screen Recognition. This will allow you to turn it off 
> for the app that is giving you an issue. I know this works because I have had 
> to do it a couple of times.
> 
> Greg Wocher
> 
> 
>> On Aug 10, 2021, at 2:15 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> This does not work as Screen Recognition will not appear in the rotor for 
>> that app if this behaviour is present.  What happens is that VO gets stuck 
>> in the Status bar, and any attempts at moving focus out of the Status bar 
>> are thwarted.  So, because it is in the Status bar, not the Settings app, 
>> Screen recognition does not present itself as an option in the rotor.  
>> Sighted assistance is necessary as the remedy requires VO to be off.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Aug 10, 2021, at 10:52 AM, Brett Lewis >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Another option is you can add the screen recognition to the rotor and that 
>>> way it’s accessible if it accidentally gets turned on for a particular app.
>>> 
>>> Brett
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 10, 2021, at 1:23 AM, kglists via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 
 Hello.
  
 Just to say that I had this problem a few weeks ago.  As I have no vision, 
 I used my mac to restore my I phone and then had to get a recent update on 
 it and then make sure that my phone had gone to factory defaults and then 
 get the phone to restore itself from a recent back up.  I hate that voice 
 recognition.
  
 Kawal. 
  
 From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >>> > 
 Sent: Saturday, August 7, 2021 8:58 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 Subject: Re: More info in disappearing settings icons
  
 Hi Greg,
  
 Thanks.  I ended up calling Apple Accessibility.  They couldn’t figure it 
 out either, so I ended up resetting all my settings.  Kind of a pain, but 
 it took care of the problem.
  
 Just for grins, I did what you suggested, just to see what I could see.  
 There was nothing pertaining to Recognition in the rotor, the closest 
 thing I saw was Direct Touch. I suppose it’s possible that somehow that 
 got set to On, but I sure can’t imagine how.
 Cheers,
 Donna
  
  
 On Aug 7, 2021, at 2:37 PM, Greg Wocher >>> > wrote:
  
 Hello,
 Move to the app switcher and make sure focus is on settings. Once focus is 
 on setting turn the rotor to screen recognition and flick up till it says 
 it is off. This should solve this issue.
  
 Greg Wocher
  
 
 
 On Aug 7, 2021, at 2:34 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
  
 Hi Tim,
  
 So when I go into Settings, if VO is on, focus is locked on the Status 
 bar.  Neither my husband nor I can scroll down.  The minute I three-finger 
 swipe, it opens the control center.  I finally got into the VO screen by 
 turning Voiceover off, having my husband scroll down, turn VO back on.  
 But he said it shows white instead of green, and when He taps Recognition, 
 nothing happens.  Any thoughts?
 Thanks,
 Donna
 
 
 On Aug 7, 2021, at 11:34 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:Macvisionaries@Googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
  
 Hi,
  
 Maybe check if Screen Recognition has been enabled for the Settings app.  
 Your husband may need to do this due to the current inaccessibility of the 
 Settings.  It would be found in Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, 
 VoiceOver Recognition.  Usually this can be accomplished using the rotor, 
 but if the screen recognition won’t let you work within the Settings app, 
 you kind of end up in a useless loop.
  
 Later…
  
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 
 On Aug 7, 2021, at 10:11 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
  
 Hi all,
>>>

Re: More info in disappearing settings icons

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Just wanted to second this!  Thanks, Greg.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Aug 12, 2021, at 12:00 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Thanks Greg.  This is an awesome find.  Excellent that it can be done without 
> sighted assistance.  Thanks again.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Aug 10, 2021, at 1:37 PM, Greg Wocher > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> If you open up the app switcher, then put focus on the problem app you can 
>> turn the rotor here to screen Recognition. This will allow you to turn it 
>> off for the app that is giving you an issue. I know this works because I 
>> have had to do it a couple of times.
>> 
>> Greg Wocher
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 10, 2021, at 2:15 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> This does not work as Screen Recognition will not appear in the rotor for 
>>> that app if this behaviour is present.  What happens is that VO gets stuck 
>>> in the Status bar, and any attempts at moving focus out of the Status bar 
>>> are thwarted.  So, because it is in the Status bar, not the Settings app, 
>>> Screen recognition does not present itself as an option in the rotor.  
>>> Sighted assistance is necessary as the remedy requires VO to be off.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Aug 10, 2021, at 10:52 AM, Brett Lewis >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi,
 Another option is you can add the screen recognition to the rotor and that 
 way it’s accessible if it accidentally gets turned on for a particular app.
 
 Brett
 
 
> On Aug 10, 2021, at 1:23 AM, kglists via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello.
>  
> Just to say that I had this problem a few weeks ago.  As I have no 
> vision, I used my mac to restore my I phone and then had to get a recent 
> update on it and then make sure that my phone had gone to factory 
> defaults and then get the phone to restore itself from a recent back up.  
> I hate that voice recognition.
>  
> Kawal. 
>  
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  > 
> Sent: Saturday, August 7, 2021 8:58 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> 
> Subject: Re: More info in disappearing settings icons
>  
> Hi Greg,
>  
> Thanks.  I ended up calling Apple Accessibility.  They couldn’t figure it 
> out either, so I ended up resetting all my settings.  Kind of a pain, but 
> it took care of the problem.
>  
> Just for grins, I did what you suggested, just to see what I could see.  
> There was nothing pertaining to Recognition in the rotor, the closest 
> thing I saw was Direct Touch. I suppose it’s possible that somehow that 
> got set to On, but I sure can’t imagine how.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>  
>  
> On Aug 7, 2021, at 2:37 PM, Greg Wocher  > wrote:
>  
> Hello,
> Move to the app switcher and make sure focus is on settings. Once focus 
> is on setting turn the rotor to screen recognition and flick up till it 
> says it is off. This should solve this issue.
>  
> Greg Wocher
>  
> 
> 
> On Aug 7, 2021, at 2:34 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
>  
> Hi Tim,
>  
> So when I go into Settings, if VO is on, focus is locked on the Status 
> bar.  Neither my husband nor I can scroll down.  The minute I 
> three-finger swipe, it opens the control center.  I finally got into the 
> VO screen by turning Voiceover off, having my husband scroll down, turn 
> VO back on.  But he said it shows white instead of green, and when He 
> taps Recognition, nothing happens.  Any thoughts?
> Thanks,
> Donna
> 
> 
> On Aug 7, 2021, at 11:34 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
>  
> Hi,
>  
> Maybe check if Screen Recognition has been enabled for the Settings app.  
> Your husband may need to do this due to the current inaccessibility of 
> the Settings.  It would be found in Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, 
> VoiceOver Recognition.  Usually this can be accomplished using the rotor, 
> but if the screen recognition won’t let you work within the Settings app, 
> you kind of end up in a useless loop.
>  
> Later…
>  
> 
> Tim Kilburn
>>>