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Re: discovery plus

2021-02-21 Thread 'Peggy' via MacVisionaries

I had it for a day, didn't have any problem with the app. Decided it wasn't 
worth the money.

Peggy & Dixie Marie

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 21, 2021, at 12:55 AM, Shirley Healy  wrote:
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> is anyone subscribed to discovery plus?
> I've just subscribed on my Iphone but the app isnt very accessible.
> does anyone  know if there are workarounds to make it more accessible?
> shirley
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RE: discovery plus

2021-02-21 Thread Les Kriegler

Hi Shirley,

I am subscribed to Discovery Plus but have not run it on my iPhone. I do use it 
with Apple TV and that app is totally accessible, at least thus far!

Best,

 

Les

 

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Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 12:56 AM
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Subject: discovery plus

 

is anyone subscribed to discovery plus?

I've just subscribed on my Iphone but the app isnt very accessible.

does anyone  know if there are workarounds to make it more accessible?

shirley

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Re: discovery plus

2021-02-21 Thread Shirley Healy

Oh good! I have apple tv! I will download it onto my apple tv then. And use it 
on that. Thanks!
shirley
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  From: Les Kriegler 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 1:46 PM
  Subject: RE: discovery plus

  Hi Shirley,

  I am subscribed to Discovery Plus but have not run it on my iPhone. I do use 
it with Apple TV and that app is totally accessible, at least thus far!

  Best,

  Les

  From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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  Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 12:56 AM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Subject: discovery plus

  is anyone subscribed to discovery plus?

  I've just subscribed on my Iphone but the app isnt very accessible.

  does anyone  know if there are workarounds to make it more accessible?

  shirley

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Re: Web sites maxing resources in Safari.

2021-02-21 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries


Your only solution will be to take it up with Apple Accessibility directly.

On 19/2/21 2:01 pm, Jessica Moss wrote:

The following url:

https://omnicommander.com 

Is currently maxing all the resources on my Mac, and this is after 
having to do a fresh install of Big Sur, due to what I thought the 
issue was (Citrix Server not uninstalling correctly and burying itself 
in multiple places on my computer to the point where removing it was 
too much of a pain.)
  However, even after erasing my main drive, reinstalling Big Sur, and 
trying to launch the site again, which we’re currently revamping, and 
I’m needing to test for accessibility, all it’s doing on my end is 
causing my fan to run harder than it should, and Safari to constantly 
display busy messages.  Could someone please let me know if this is 
happening to anyone else, and what I may be able to do at this point 
to fix it?

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Re: Web sites maxing resources in Safari.

2021-02-21 Thread Jessica Moss

This is actually the company I work with that I’ve been posting about off and 
on, and I relayed back to my supervisor that one of you mentioned disabling 
javascript.  However, he made me aware that unfortunately, disabling javascript 
will make some of the web sites we’re currently working with enaccessible, so 
at the moment, the only workaround I’ve been able to find with this for now, is 
to open it in Chrome, which seems to load it with no serious issues, aside from 
a few things I’ve clicked on that for some reason cause Voiceover to reboot.

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> Your only solution will be to take it up with Apple Accessibility directly.
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> On 19/2/21 2:01 pm, Jessica Moss wrote:
>> The following url:
>> 
>> https://omnicommander.com 
>> 
>> Is currently maxing all the resources on my Mac, and this is after having to 
>> do a fresh install of Big Sur, due to what I thought the issue was (Citrix 
>> Server not uninstalling correctly and burying itself in multiple places on 
>> my computer to the point where removing it was too much of a pain.)
>>   However, even after erasing my main drive, reinstalling Big Sur, and 
>> trying to launch the site again, which we’re currently revamping, and I’m 
>> needing to test for accessibility, all it’s doing on my end is causing my 
>> fan to run harder than it should, and Safari to constantly display busy 
>> messages.  Could someone please let me know if this is happening to anyone 
>> else, and what I may be able to do at this point to fix it?
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Chrome is still a memory hog on macOS compared to Safari

2021-02-21 Thread Brad Snyder

https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/02/21/chrome-is-still-a-memory-hog-on-macos-compared-to-safari



Chrome is still a memory hog on macOS compared to Safari

Malcolm Owen

Long been derided as a resource-consuming web browser, a recent test by a 
developer reveals Google Chrome to use multiple times the memory of Apple's 
Safari in macOS. 

Chrome is often the source of ire for users who find the Google-created browser 
to be bloated and too keen to consume a Mac's available memory. In many cases, 
users are pointed in the direction of the lightweight Safari, but in a new test 
report, a developer shows how bad Chrome is on RAM. 

A blog post by Flotato developer Morten Just spotted by iMore attempted to find 
out how much the memory disparity is between Safari and Chrome. Two tests were 
performed, with the browsers experiencing minimal load alongside a more 
realistic scenario. 

For the minimal load test, a virtual machine was set up with a clean 
macOSinstallation, and the browsers were made to open up two tabs showing 
Twitter and Gmail. A snapshot of the memory and CPU utilization was captured 
250 times per second using psrecord. 

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In the minimal scenario, the average RAM usage for Chrome for just the Twitter 
tab was 730 megabytes, ten times the 73 megabytes observed for Safari. Flotato, 
an app for loading mobile versions of websites as an app on macOS, shaves the 
RAM usage down a bit further to 63MB. 

Under the two-tab test, Chrome's memory utilization reached 1 gigabyte after a 
minute, while Safari stayed consistently below 80 megabytes. 


Instead of a virtual machine, the second "stress test" used Just's own macOS 
installation and opened up 54 tabs in each browser. While Safari kept the 
average amount of RAM used per tab to a svelte 12 megabytes, Chrome's average 
per-tab memory usage was a massive 290 megabytes. 

Both Apple and Google regularly improve their respective browsers, with Safari 
14 introducing more performance improvements alongside new features like a tab 
bar redesign, customizable start page, and privacy-related elements. 

To Google's credit, it has been working to introduce some enhancements to 
change how it handles background webpages, improving processing performance as 
well as reducing the load on a Mac's battery, and even a version built for 
Apple Silicon. Memory consumption has been a long-running problem, which Google 
has repeatedly tried to address, but evidently it is still an issue. 

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Re: VoiceOver friendly invoice app?

2021-02-21 Thread Jonathan Cohn

Hello,
I talked to the folks that make AccountEdge about a year ago to try and 
convince them to make their App accessible. You should be able to download a 
sample of it. If you are not comfortable doing this, I could try and do an 
evaluation again.
Jonathan

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Feb 20, 2021, at 16:30, CHUCK REICHEL  
> wrote:
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> Hi Brad,
> Thanks.
> That looks promising.
> Is there anything out there that can be purchased out right?
> Subscriptions just keep adding up and as you know become "larger than they 
> should"! :)
> It would be nice if the application can communicate with "turbo tax" as My 
> Wife uses this for us now.
> Any full book keeping  apps that are voiceOver friendly meeting these 
> criteria above?
> Since this is for my recording studio LLC I know I will have to pay a $ or 2! 
> LOL
> It takes money to make money! ;)
> Thanks again
> Chuck
> 
> 
> On Feb 17, 2021, at 12:59 PM, Brad Snyder wrote:
> 
>> Check out Fresh Books.  It is web-based, and fully accessible.  It has a 
>> trial period for new users.
>> You can find it at:  https://www.freshbooks.com 
>> 
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 17, 2021, at 10:26, CHUCK REICHEL > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi List,
>> I need a VoiceOver friendly invoice app?
>> Something easy to use.
>> and can give Recording clients a invoice, and the app will chronologically 
>> number each invoice for every transaction?
>> Any thoughts out there?
>> Thanks
>> Chuck
>> 
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vo volume versus system volume

2021-02-21 Thread Caitlyn Furness

Hi,

I want to set my volume for voiceover to be lower then my system sounds.  How 
do I do this?  If I remember correctly, there used to be a rotar one could 
access to change vo volume and the particular voice you chose.  Anybody know 
what I am talking about?  I’ve looked in voiceover help and went through vo 
utility and am pulling my hair out!

Thanks,
Cait

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Re: vo volume versus system volume

2021-02-21 Thread Brad Snyder

You are correct. The volume adjustment found in the rotor, will adjust 
voiceover volume relative to the system volume. if you don't have volume in 
your rotor, you can go to voiceover settings and add it to the rotor.

- Brad -

On Feb 21, 2021, at 14:06, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:

Hi,

I want to set my volume for voiceover to be lower then my system sounds.  How 
do I do this?  If I remember correctly, there used to be a rotar one could 
access to change vo volume and the particular voice you chose.  Anybody know 
what I am talking about?  I’ve looked in voiceover help and went through vo 
utility and am pulling my hair out!

Thanks,
Cait

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Re: vo volume versus system volume

2021-02-21 Thread Caitlyn Furness

Ho do I add volume and voices to the rotar?

Thanks,
Cait


> On Feb 21, 2021, at 3:09 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> You are correct. The volume adjustment found in the rotor, will adjust 
> voiceover volume relative to the system volume. if you don't have volume in 
> your rotor, you can go to voiceover settings and add it to the rotor.
> 
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> 
> On Feb 21, 2021, at 14:06, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> I want to set my volume for voiceover to be lower then my system sounds.  How 
> do I do this?  If I remember correctly, there used to be a rotar one could 
> access to change vo volume and the particular voice you chose.  Anybody know 
> what I am talking about?  I’ve looked in voiceover help and went through vo 
> utility and am pulling my hair out!
> 
> Thanks,
> Cait
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Re: vo volume versus system volume

2021-02-21 Thread Brad Snyder

As I already said, you go to VoiceOver settings > Rotor, and add Volume to the 
Rotor.

- Brad -


On Feb 21, 2021, at 14:43, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:

Ho do I add volume and voices to the rotar?

Thanks,
Cait


> On Feb 21, 2021, at 3:09 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> You are correct. The volume adjustment found in the rotor, will adjust 
> voiceover volume relative to the system volume. if you don't have volume in 
> your rotor, you can go to voiceover settings and add it to the rotor.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Feb 21, 2021, at 14:06, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I want to set my volume for voiceover to be lower then my system sounds.  How 
> do I do this?  If I remember correctly, there used to be a rotar one could 
> access to change vo volume and the particular voice you chose.  Anybody know 
> what I am talking about?  I’ve looked in voiceover help and went through vo 
> utility and am pulling my hair out!
> 
> Thanks,
> Cait
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Re: Silver Sparrow malware?

2021-02-21 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries

If I'm reading the article correctly, the only way for a system to
become infected is for the user to run an installer containing the malware.

On 20/2/21 6:21 pm, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Thanks!
Donna

On Feb 20, 2021, at 4:48 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries
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https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/02/20/more-malware-found-to-target-apple-silicon-macs

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Hi all,
Anyone know anything about this? I just read that it has infected
over thirty thousand macs, but haven't seen anything on how to tell
if your Mac has been infected.

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Re: Silver Sparrow malware?

2021-02-21 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries

I hope you're right. I wasn't clear about that.
Cheers,
Donna


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> If I'm reading the article correctly, the only way for a system to become 
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> On 20/2/21 6:21 pm, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Thanks!
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 20, 2021, at 4:48 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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>>> https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/02/20/more-malware-found-to-target-apple-silicon-macs
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> On 2/20/21, 15:14, "'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries" 
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>>> Hi all,
>>>  
>>> Anyone know anything about this? I just read that it has infected over 
>>> thirty thousand macs, but haven't seen anything on how to tell if your Mac 
>>> has been infected.
>>> Cheers,
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Re: vo volume versus system volume

2021-02-21 Thread Caitlyn Furness

This is on the mac, not the i phone..

Thanks,
Cait


> On Feb 21, 2021, at 4:16 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> As I already said, you go to VoiceOver settings > Rotor, and add Volume to 
> the Rotor.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Feb 21, 2021, at 14:43, Caitlyn Furness  > wrote:
> 
> Ho do I add volume and voices to the rotar?
> 
> Thanks,
> Cait
> 
> 
>> On Feb 21, 2021, at 3:09 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> You are correct. The volume adjustment found in the rotor, will adjust 
>> voiceover volume relative to the system volume. if you don't have volume in 
>> your rotor, you can go to voiceover settings and add it to the rotor.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Feb 21, 2021, at 14:06, Caitlyn Furness > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I want to set my volume for voiceover to be lower then my system sounds.  
>> How do I do this?  If I remember correctly, there used to be a rotar one 
>> could access to change vo volume and the particular voice you chose.  
>> Anybody know what I am talking about?  I’ve looked in voiceover help and 
>> went through vo utility and am pulling my hair out!
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Cait
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Re: vo volume versus system volume

2021-02-21 Thread Brad Snyder

You should be specific about which device/OS you are using.
If on a Mac, it should be in the rotor by default.

- Brad -


On Feb 21, 2021, at 16:45, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:

This is on the mac, not the i phone..

Thanks,
Cait


> On Feb 21, 2021, at 4:16 PM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
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> As I already said, you go to VoiceOver settings > Rotor, and add Volume to 
> the Rotor.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Feb 21, 2021, at 14:43, Caitlyn Furness  > wrote:
> 
> Ho do I add volume and voices to the rotar?
> 
> Thanks,
> Cait
> 
> 
>> On Feb 21, 2021, at 3:09 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> You are correct. The volume adjustment found in the rotor, will adjust 
>> voiceover volume relative to the system volume. if you don't have volume in 
>> your rotor, you can go to voiceover settings and add it to the rotor.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Feb 21, 2021, at 14:06, Caitlyn Furness > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I want to set my volume for voiceover to be lower then my system sounds.  
>> How do I do this?  If I remember correctly, there used to be a rotar one 
>> could access to change vo volume and the particular voice you chose.  
>> Anybody know what I am talking about?  I’ve looked in voiceover help and 
>> went through vo utility and am pulling my hair out!
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Cait
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Re: Silver Sparrow malware?

2021-02-21 Thread Karen Lewellen

The interesting thing to note is how at the moment, just what the bug does
remains unclear.

As in, it is possible the purpose will be set off at a later date.
Oh that and the JavaScript door to infection.
Kare

On Sun, 21 Feb 2021, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

I hope you're right. I wasn't clear about that.
Cheers,
Donna

On Feb 21, 2021, at 4:39 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries
wrote:

If I'm reading the article correctly, the only way for a system to become
infected is for the user to run an installer containing the malware.

On 20/2/21 6:21 pm, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Thanks!
Donna

On Feb 20, 2021, at 4:48 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
wrote:

https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/02/20/more-malware-found-to-target-apple-silicon-macs

On 2/20/21, 15:14, "'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries" mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi all,

Anyone know anything about this? I just read that it has infected over thirty
thousand macs, but haven't seen anything on how to tell if your Mac has been
infected.
Cheers,
Donna

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Battery Status Of Apple Magic Keyboard?

2021-02-21 Thread Fazil

Hi, Group.

How can I check the battery status of my Apple Magic Keyboard, please?

Thanks!

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Re: Battery Status Of Apple Magic Keyboard?

2021-02-21 Thread Brad Snyder

If on Catalina or earlier, go to Bluetooth in Menu Extras, select the Keyboard, 
then use the Right Arrow to open the submenu, and Down Arrow to battery status. 
 I don’t think this can be done if using Big Sur.

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Hi, Group.
How can I check the battery status of my Apple Magic Keyboard, please?
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Re: Web sites maxing resources in Safari.

2021-02-21 Thread Dave Carlson

Have you considered using Microsoft Edge? I find it a lot more responsive than 
Safari.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, Engineer, Musician, Farfar, Woodworker, and Pioneer

On Feb 21, 2021, at 9:54 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:

This is actually the company I work with that I’ve been posting about off and 
on, and I relayed back to my supervisor that one of you mentioned disabling 
javascript.  However, he made me aware that unfortunately, disabling javascript 
will make some of the web sites we’re currently working with enaccessible, so 
at the moment, the only workaround I’ve been able to find with this for now, is 
to open it in Chrome, which seems to load it with no serious issues, aside from 
a few things I’ve clicked on that for some reason cause Voiceover to reboot.

> On Feb 21, 2021, at 11:44 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
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> Your only solution will be to take it up with Apple Accessibility directly.
> 
> On 19/2/21 2:01 pm, Jessica Moss wrote:
>> The following url:
>> 
>> https://omnicommander.com 
>> 
>> Is currently maxing all the resources on my Mac, and this is after having to 
>> do a fresh install of Big Sur, due to what I thought the issue was (Citrix 
>> Server not uninstalling correctly and burying itself in multiple places on 
>> my computer to the point where removing it was too much of a pain.)
>>   However, even after erasing my main drive, reinstalling Big Sur, and 
>> trying to launch the site again, which we’re currently revamping, and I’m 
>> needing to test for accessibility, all it’s doing on my end is causing my 
>> fan to run harder than it should, and Safari to constantly display busy 
>> messages.  Could someone please let me know if this is happening to anyone 
>> else, and what I may be able to do at this point to fix it?
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Re: Chrome is still a memory hog on macOS compared to Safari

2021-02-21 Thread Dave Carlson

Again, why not Microsoft Edge?

Dave Carlson
 Oregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Musician, Pioneer, and Woodworker

On Feb 21, 2021, at 10:11 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:

https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/02/21/chrome-is-still-a-memory-hog-on-macos-compared-to-safari
 


Chrome is still a memory hog on macOS compared to Safari
Malcolm Owen 

Long been derided as a resource-consuming web browser, a recent test by a 
developer reveals Google Chrome to use multiple times the memory of Apple's 
Safari  in macOS. 

Chrome is often the source of ire 

 for users who find the Google-created browser to be bloated and too keen to 
consume a Mac's available memory. In many cases, users are pointed in the 
direction of the lightweight Safari, but in a new test report, a developer 
shows how bad Chrome is on RAM. 

A blog post  by 
Flotato developer Morten Just spotted 
 by iMore 
attempted to find out how much the memory disparity is between Safari and 
Chrome. Two tests were performed, with the browsers experiencing minimal load 
alongside a more realistic scenario. 

For the minimal load test, a virtual machine was set up with a clean macOS 
installation, and the browsers were made 
to open up two tabs showing Twitter and Gmail. A snapshot of the memory and CPU 
utilization was captured 250 times per second using psrecord. 

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In the minimal scenario, the average RAM usage for Chrome for just the Twitter 
tab was 730 megabytes, ten times the 73 megabytes observed for Safari. Flotato 
, an app for loading mobile versions of websites as 
an app on macOS, shaves the RAM usage down a bit further to 63MB. 

Under the two-tab test, Chrome's memory utilization reached 1 gigabyte after a 
minute, while Safari stayed consistently below 80 megabytes. 


Instead of a virtual machine, the second "stress test" used Just's own macOS 
installation and opened up 54 tabs in each browser. While Safari kept the 
average amount of RAM used per tab to a svelte 12 megabytes, Chrome's average 
per-tab memory usage was a massive 290 megabytes. 

Both Apple and Google regularly improve their respective browsers, with Safari 
14 introducing more performance improvements alongside new features like a tab 
bar redesign, customizable start page, and privacy-related elements. 

To Google's credit, it has been working to introduce some enhancements to 
change how it handles background webpages 
,
 improving processing performance as well as reducing the load on a Mac's 
battery, and even a version built 

 for Apple Silicon . Memory 
consumption has been a long-running 

 problem, which Google has repeatedly tried 

 to address, but evidently it is still an issue. 

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purchased through affiliate links. These partnerships do not influence our 
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Re: Chrome is still a memory hog on macOS compared to Safari

2021-02-21 Thread Brad Snyder

I agree.  I am not a fan of Chrome on any platform.

- Brad -


On Feb 21, 2021, at 22:52, Dave Carlson  wrote:

Again, why not Microsoft Edge?

Dave Carlson
 Oregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Musician, Pioneer, and Woodworker

On Feb 21, 2021, at 10:11 AM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/02/21/chrome-is-still-a-memory-hog-on-macos-compared-to-safari
 


Chrome is still a memory hog on macOS compared to Safari
Malcolm Owen 

Long been derided as a resource-consuming web browser, a recent test by a 
developer reveals Google Chrome to use multiple times the memory of Apple's 
Safari  in macOS. 

Chrome is often the source of ire 

 for users who find the Google-created browser to be bloated and too keen to 
consume a Mac's available memory. In many cases, users are pointed in the 
direction of the lightweight Safari, but in a new test report, a developer 
shows how bad Chrome is on RAM. 

A blog post  by 
Flotato developer Morten Just spotted 
 by iMore 
attempted to find out how much the memory disparity is between Safari and 
Chrome. Two tests were performed, with the browsers experiencing minimal load 
alongside a more realistic scenario. 

For the minimal load test, a virtual machine was set up with a clean macOS 
installation, and the browsers were made 
to open up two tabs showing Twitter and Gmail. A snapshot of the memory and CPU 
utilization was captured 250 times per second using psrecord. 

Watch the Latest from AppleInsider TV



AirPods Pro VS Jabra Elite Active 75t! True Wireless Showdown!

In the minimal scenario, the average RAM usage for Chrome for just the Twitter 
tab was 730 megabytes, ten times the 73 megabytes observed for Safari. Flotato 
, an app for loading mobile versions of websites as 
an app on macOS, shaves the RAM usage down a bit further to 63MB. 

Under the two-tab test, Chrome's memory utilization reached 1 gigabyte after a 
minute, while Safari stayed consistently below 80 megabytes. 


Instead of a virtual machine, the second "stress test" used Just's own macOS 
installation and opened up 54 tabs in each browser. While Safari kept the 
average amount of RAM used per tab to a svelte 12 megabytes, Chrome's average 
per-tab memory usage was a massive 290 megabytes. 

Both Apple and Google regularly improve their respective browsers, with Safari 
14 introducing more performance improvements alongside new features like a tab 
bar redesign, customizable start page, and privacy-related elements. 

To Google's credit, it has been working to introduce some enhancements to 
change how it handles background webpages 
,
 improving processing performance as well as reducing the load on a Mac's 
battery, and even a version built 

 for Apple Silicon . Memory 
consumption has been a long-running 

 problem, which Google has repeatedly tried 

 to address, but evidently it is still an issue. 

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purchased through affiliate links. These partnerships do not influence our 
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Re: Chrome is still a memory hog on macOS compared to Safari

2021-02-21 Thread Karen Lewellen

Same can be said, why not include Firefox as well?

On Sun, 21 Feb 2021, Brad Snyder wrote:

I agree. I am not a fan of Chrome on any platform.

- Brad -

On Feb 21, 2021, at 22:52, Dave Carlson wrote:

Again, why not Microsoft Edge?

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Musician, Pioneer, and Woodworker

On Feb 21, 2021, at 10:11 AM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/02/21/chrome-is-still-a-memory-hog-on-macos-compared-to-safari

Chrome is still a memory hog on macOS compared to Safari
Malcolm Owen

Long been derided as a resource-consuming web browser, a recent test by a developer
reveals Google Chrome to use multiple times the memory of Apple's Safari
in macOS.

Chrome is often the source of ire

for users who find the Google-created browser to be bloated and too keen to consume
a Mac's available memory. In many cases, users are pointed in the direction of the
lightweight Safari, but in a new test report, a developer shows how bad Chrome is on
RAM.

A blog post by Flotato
developer Morten Just spotted
by iMore attempted to
find out how much the memory disparity is between Safari and Chrome. Two tests were
performed, with the browsers experiencing minimal load alongside a more realistic scenario.

For the minimal load test, a virtual machine was set up with a clean macOS
installation, and the browsers were made
to open up two tabs showing Twitter and Gmail. A snapshot of the memory and CPU
utilization was captured 250 times per second using psrecord.

Watch the Latest from AppleInsider TV

AirPods Pro VS Jabra Elite Active 75t! True Wireless Showdown!

In the minimal scenario, the average RAM usage for Chrome for just the Twitter tab
was 730 megabytes, ten times the 73 megabytes observed for Safari. Flotato
, an app for loading mobile versions of websites as
an app on macOS, shaves the RAM usage down a bit further to 63MB.

Under the two-tab test, Chrome's memory utilization reached 1 gigabyte after a
minute, while Safari stayed consistently below 80 megabytes.

Instead of a virtual machine, the second "stress test" used Just's own macOS
installation and opened up 54 tabs in each browser. While Safari kept the average amount
of RAM used per tab to a svelte 12 megabytes, Chrome's average per-tab memory usage was a
massive 290 megabytes.

Both Apple and Google regularly improve their respective browsers, with Safari
14 introducing more performance improvements alongside new features like a tab
bar redesign, customizable start page, and privacy-related elements.

To Google's credit, it has been working to introduce some enhancements to change how it handles background
webpages
,
improving processing performance as well as reducing the load on a Mac's battery, and even a version built

for Apple Silicon . Memory consumption has been a
long-running

problem, which Google has repeatedly tried

to address, but evidently it is still an issue.

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purchased through affiliate links. These partnerships do not influence our
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Re: Chrome is still a memory hog on macOS compared to Safari

2021-02-21 Thread Brad Snyder

I know some like it, but I just don’t use Firefox.  Until recently, it seemed 
to have issues with VoiceOver on the Mac.

- Brad -


On Feb 21, 2021, at 23:08, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Same can be said, why not include Firefox as well?



On Sun, 21 Feb 2021, Brad Snyder wrote:

> I agree.  I am not a fan of Chrome on any platform.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Feb 21, 2021, at 22:52, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Again, why not Microsoft Edge?
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Oregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Musician, Pioneer, and Woodworker
> 
> On Feb 21, 2021, at 10:11 AM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/02/21/chrome-is-still-a-memory-hog-on-macos-compared-to-safari
>  
> 
> 
> Chrome is still a memory hog on macOS compared to Safari
> Malcolm Owen 
> 
> Long been derided as a resource-consuming web browser, a recent test by a 
> developer reveals Google Chrome to use multiple times the memory of Apple's 
> Safari  in macOS.
> 
> Chrome is often the source of ire 
> 
>  for users who find the Google-created browser to be bloated and too keen to 
> consume a Mac's available memory. In many cases, users are pointed in the 
> direction of the lightweight Safari, but in a new test report, a developer 
> shows how bad Chrome is on RAM.
> 
> A blog post  by 
> Flotato developer Morten Just spotted 
>  by iMore 
> attempted to find out how much the memory disparity is between Safari and 
> Chrome. Two tests were performed, with the browsers experiencing minimal load 
> alongside a more realistic scenario.
> 
> For the minimal load test, a virtual machine was set up with a clean macOS 
> installation, and the browsers were 
> made to open up two tabs showing Twitter and Gmail. A snapshot of the memory 
> and CPU utilization was captured 250 times per second using psrecord.
> 
> Watch the Latest from AppleInsider TV
> 
> 
> 
> AirPods Pro VS Jabra Elite Active 75t! True Wireless Showdown!
> 
> In the minimal scenario, the average RAM usage for Chrome for just the 
> Twitter tab was 730 megabytes, ten times the 73 megabytes observed for 
> Safari. Flotato , an app for loading mobile 
> versions of websites as an app on macOS, shaves the RAM usage down a bit 
> further to 63MB.
> 
> Under the two-tab test, Chrome's memory utilization reached 1 gigabyte after 
> a minute, while Safari stayed consistently below 80 megabytes.
> 
> 
> Instead of a virtual machine, the second "stress test" used Just's own macOS 
> installation and opened up 54 tabs in each browser. While Safari kept the 
> average amount of RAM used per tab to a svelte 12 megabytes, Chrome's average 
> per-tab memory usage was a massive 290 megabytes.
> 
> Both Apple and Google regularly improve their respective browsers, with 
> Safari 14 introducing more performance improvements alongside new features 
> like a tab bar redesign, customizable start page, and privacy-related 
> elements.
> 
> To Google's credit, it has been working to introduce some enhancements to 
> change how it handles background webpages 
> ,
>  improving processing performance as well as reducing the load on a Mac's 
> battery, and even a version built 
> 
>  for Apple Silicon . Memory 
> consumption has been a long-running 
> 
>  problem, which Google has repeatedly tried 
> 
>  to address, but evidently it is still an issue.
> 
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> purchased through affiliate links. These partnerships do not influence our 
> editorial content.
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