Re: Thoughts on Tuesday’s event?

2020-09-18 Thread Angie Nutt
I enjoyed the event, especially hearing about the new watches though don’t plan 
on getting one this year as I have last year’s. If I were to get one I’d like 
product red. In the past I’ve been tempted to upgrade merely for the colour. 
 

All the best
Angie

> On 17 Sep 2020, at 13:38, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I’m surprised that there’s been no comment at all about Tuesday’s event, 
> though, I have to say that without talk of a new phone, it kind of felt more 
> like a non-event. :) But, just thought I would ask would people’s thoughts 
> are.
> 
> Personally, I don’t feel like there’s anything I absolutely have to have, but 
> I am considering the series 6 watch, and/or maybe a new iPad. My current 
> watch is a series 4, so upgrading to the 6 seems like it might be worth it, 
> and the blood oxygen monitor seems kind of cool. I’m intrigued by the new 
> iPad Air, though I’m not sure I want one that is that big. I currently have a 
> sixth-gen 9 inch, and I like that size.
> 
> Anyone else have any reactions?
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
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Watch iOS7 And Braille

2020-09-18 Thread Georges Zaynoun

Hello!

I have Apple Watch Series 5 cellular and I upgraded to the latest Watch 
OS7. I went to Accessibility settings then VoiceOver settings but I 
don't have Braille, isn't it available in all regions or what am I missing?



Thanks.

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Re: Thoughts on Tuesday’s event?

2020-09-18 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
That’s funny. I’ve never gone for product red, and the thought of having a red 
watch just feels weird to me. :) When I got my iPhone 11, I went for purple.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 18, 2020, at 3:39 AM, Angie Nutt  wrote:
> 
> I enjoyed the event, especially hearing about the new watches though don’t 
> plan on getting one this year as I have last year’s. If I were to get one I’d 
> like product red. In the past I’ve been tempted to upgrade merely for the 
> colour.  
> 
> All the best
> Angie
> 
>> On 17 Sep 2020, at 13:38, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I’m surprised that there’s been no comment at all about Tuesday’s event, 
>> though, I have to say that without talk of a new phone, it kind of felt more 
>> like a non-event. :) But, just thought I would ask would people’s thoughts 
>> are.
>> 
>> Personally, I don’t feel like there’s anything I absolutely have to have, 
>> but I am considering the series 6 watch, and/or maybe a new iPad. My current 
>> watch is a series 4, so upgrading to the 6 seems like it might be worth it, 
>> and the blood oxygen monitor seems kind of cool. I’m intrigued by the new 
>> iPad Air, though I’m not sure I want one that is that big. I currently have 
>> a sixth-gen 9 inch, and I like that size.
>> 
>> Anyone else have any reactions?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
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Re: Thoughts on Tuesday’s event?

2020-09-18 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi!
THe cannned crowd noise i am not sure i agree about.
But the apple watch is pritty pritty good and since you might be thinking of 
the series 6 you will get  even more features.
I tell you that it has also got a noise or db meter which actually warns you 
when things are to loud for your ears.
I need that as a heavy metal fan.
BUt how did you view the show using the discriptive video?
I am not really sure how that works?
Thanks.
/A

> 17 sep. 2020 kl. 22:28 skrev Dan Rathburn :
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I listened to the event with the video description on my SE 2020. For the 
> first time, I am thinking about getting an Aple Watch and giving serious 
> consideration to getting an iPad. I've reached an age where healthe issues 
> are a concern and the Apple Watch seems like a good tool to have handy. Since 
> getting the SE 2020, I've been using my iPhone 6 Plus as an iPod but it is 
> nearly 8 years old hence the interest in the iPad. The availibility of time 
> payments makes them worth the look. The event was rather low-key without an 
> audience but informative just the same. They should've followed the example 
> of the NFL and used canned crowd noise
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
> The nice thing about science is that it's true whether you believe in it or 
> not.
> 
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> From: "'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries" 
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 8:38 AM
> To: "via MacVisionaries" 
> Subject: Thoughts on Tuesday’s event?
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I’m surprised that there’s been no comment at all about Tuesday’s event, 
>> though, I have to say that without talk of a new phone, it kind of felt more 
>> like a non-event. :) But, just thought I would ask would people’s thoughts 
>> are.
>> 
>> Personally, I don’t feel like there’s anything I absolutely have to have, 
>> but I am considering the series 6 watch, and/or maybe a new iPad. My current 
>> watch is a series 4, so upgrading to the 6 seems like it might be worth it, 
>> and the blood oxygen monitor seems kind of cool. I’m intrigued by the new 
>> iPad Air, though I’m not sure I want one that is that big. I currently have 
>> a sixth-gen 9 inch, and I like that size.
>> 
>> Anyone else have any reactions?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Bluetooth works on my Focus when it's docked with other devices.

2020-09-18 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi!
Yes, i try with my feedbacks but english is pritty hard for me.
If i could use sswedish i would be able to use that.
/A

> 17 sep. 2020 kl. 22:41 skrev 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> The Braille display has a Perkins style keyboard.  Just wish the support on 
> the Mac was better.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
>> On 16 Sep 2020, at 21:51, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Does this unit has a keyboard?
>> In catalina braille has been somewhat better.
>> But not as good as i have been hoping for years.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 16 sep. 2020 kl. 21:58 skrev 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Hi 
>>> 
>>> Just wanted to let everyone know that my Focus Braille display is working 
>>> with my I Mac  as before it refused to pair when it was connected with my 
>>> ElBraille.  I think the last update fixed the problem.  So if I wanted to 
>>> send an email from my Braille display are there commands to do so?  I am 
>>> using the Focus but I know from experience that Braille support on the Mac 
>>> is rather useless.
>>> 
>>> Kawal..
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Re: Thoughts on Tuesday’s event?

2020-09-18 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
Hi Anders,

I watched it on my Apple TV, and the descriptive video was there.
Cheers,
Donna


Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 18, 2020, at 8:31 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> THe cannned crowd noise i am not sure i agree about.
> But the apple watch is pritty pritty good and since you might be thinking of 
> the series 6 you will get  even more features.
> I tell you that it has also got a noise or db meter which actually warns you 
> when things are to loud for your ears.
> I need that as a heavy metal fan.
> BUt how did you view the show using the discriptive video?
> I am not really sure how that works?
> Thanks.
> /A
> 
>> 17 sep. 2020 kl. 22:28 skrev Dan Rathburn :
>> 
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I listened to the event with the video description on my SE 2020. For the 
>> first time, I am thinking about getting an Aple Watch and giving serious 
>> consideration to getting an iPad. I've reached an age where healthe issues 
>> are a concern and the Apple Watch seems like a good tool to have handy. 
>> Since getting the SE 2020, I've been using my iPhone 6 Plus as an iPod but 
>> it is nearly 8 years old hence the interest in the iPad. The availibility of 
>> time payments makes them worth the look. The event was rather low-key 
>> without an audience but informative just the same. They should've followed 
>> the example of the NFL and used canned crowd noise
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The nice thing about science is that it's true whether you believe in it or 
>> not.
>> 
>> --
>> From: "'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries" 
>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 8:38 AM
>> To: "via MacVisionaries" 
>> Subject: Thoughts on Tuesday’s event?
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I’m surprised that there’s been no comment at all about Tuesday’s event, 
>>> though, I have to say that without talk of a new phone, it kind of felt 
>>> more like a non-event. :) But, just thought I would ask would people’s 
>>> thoughts are.
>>> 
>>> Personally, I don’t feel like there’s anything I absolutely have to have, 
>>> but I am considering the series 6 watch, and/or maybe a new iPad. My 
>>> current watch is a series 4, so upgrading to the 6 seems like it might be 
>>> worth it, and the blood oxygen monitor seems kind of cool. I’m intrigued by 
>>> the new iPad Air, though I’m not sure I want one that is that big. I 
>>> currently have a sixth-gen 9 inch, and I like that size.
>>> 
>>> Anyone else have any reactions?
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Thoughts on Tuesday’s event?

2020-09-18 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi!
Well, i don’t really care as the XR fits me wall.
As long as it works i am happy.
It would be nice with a new watch though.
I wonder if they’ve redesigned it?
It could be a bit thinner in my opinion but i guess that would decrease the 
battery time.
/A

> 17 sep. 2020 kl. 22:51 skrev 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> I was a bit pissed off (I know I shouldn’t use that) but no phone, I thought 
> how rubbish as I want a new phone  as I need to upgrade at some point from 
> the 10. 
> 
> I have sold the watch so I might get a series 6. I have upgraded my present 
> phone and am wondering what has changed with voice over?
> 
> Kawal. 
> 
>> On 17 Sep 2020, at 21:28, Dan Rathburn  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I listened to the event with the video description on my SE 2020. For the 
>> first time, I am thinking about getting an Aple Watch and giving serious 
>> consideration to getting an iPad. I've reached an age where healthe issues 
>> are a concern and the Apple Watch seems like a good tool to have handy. 
>> Since getting the SE 2020, I've been using my iPhone 6 Plus as an iPod but 
>> it is nearly 8 years old hence the interest in the iPad. The availibility of 
>> time payments makes them worth the look. The event was rather low-key 
>> without an audience but informative just the same. They should've followed 
>> the example of the NFL and used canned crowd noise
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The nice thing about science is that it's true whether you believe in it or 
>> not.
>> 
>> --
>> From: "'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries" 
>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 8:38 AM
>> To: "via MacVisionaries" 
>> Subject: Thoughts on Tuesday’s event?
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I’m surprised that there’s been no comment at all about Tuesday’s event, 
>>> though, I have to say that without talk of a new phone, it kind of felt 
>>> more like a non-event. :) But, just thought I would ask would people’s 
>>> thoughts are.
>>> 
>>> Personally, I don’t feel like there’s anything I absolutely have to have, 
>>> but I am considering the series 6 watch, and/or maybe a new iPad. My 
>>> current watch is a series 4, so upgrading to the 6 seems like it might be 
>>> worth it, and the blood oxygen monitor seems kind of cool. I’m intrigued by 
>>> the new iPad Air, though I’m not sure I want one that is that big. I 
>>> currently have a sixth-gen 9 inch, and I like that size.
>>> 
>>> Anyone else have any reactions?
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Thoughts on Tuesday’s event?

2020-09-18 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
Hi,

I think it has some new internal components, for the pulse oxometer and the 
hand washing thing, but I don’t recall anything about it being redesigned. It 
would be nice if it were thinner, but then, I would rather have the longer 
battery life, especially with the new sleep monitoring feature.
Cheers,
Donna
Donna 

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 18, 2020, at 8:36 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Well, i don’t really care as the XR fits me wall.
> As long as it works i am happy.
> It would be nice with a new watch though.
> I wonder if they’ve redesigned it?
> It could be a bit thinner in my opinion but i guess that would decrease the 
> battery time.
> /A
> 
>> 17 sep. 2020 kl. 22:51 skrev 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> I was a bit pissed off (I know I shouldn’t use that) but no phone, I thought 
>> how rubbish as I want a new phone  as I need to upgrade at some point from 
>> the 10. 
>> 
>> I have sold the watch so I might get a series 6. I have upgraded my present 
>> phone and am wondering what has changed with voice over?
>> 
>> Kawal. 
>> 
 On 17 Sep 2020, at 21:28, Dan Rathburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I listened to the event with the video description on my SE 2020. For the 
>>> first time, I am thinking about getting an Aple Watch and giving serious 
>>> consideration to getting an iPad. I've reached an age where healthe issues 
>>> are a concern and the Apple Watch seems like a good tool to have handy. 
>>> Since getting the SE 2020, I've been using my iPhone 6 Plus as an iPod but 
>>> it is nearly 8 years old hence the interest in the iPad. The availibility 
>>> of time payments makes them worth the look. The event was rather low-key 
>>> without an audience but informative just the same. They should've followed 
>>> the example of the NFL and used canned crowd noise
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The nice thing about science is that it's true whether you believe in it or 
>>> not.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> From: "'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries" 
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 8:38 AM
>>> To: "via MacVisionaries" 
>>> Subject: Thoughts on Tuesday’s event?
>>> 
 Hi all,
 
 I’m surprised that there’s been no comment at all about Tuesday’s event, 
 though, I have to say that without talk of a new phone, it kind of felt 
 more like a non-event. :) But, just thought I would ask would people’s 
 thoughts are.
 
 Personally, I don’t feel like there’s anything I absolutely have to have, 
 but I am considering the series 6 watch, and/or maybe a new iPad. My 
 current watch is a series 4, so upgrading to the 6 seems like it might be 
 worth it, and the blood oxygen monitor seems kind of cool. I’m intrigued 
 by the new iPad Air, though I’m not sure I want one that is that big. I 
 currently have a sixth-gen 9 inch, and I like that size.
 
 Anyone else have any reactions?
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
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Re: Thoughts on Tuesday’s event?

2020-09-18 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi!
Yeah, i need the sleep tracking feature.
That’s something i really want to try.
/A

> 18 sep. 2020 kl. 15:40 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I think it has some new internal components, for the pulse oxometer and the 
> hand washing thing, but I don’t recall anything about it being redesigned. It 
> would be nice if it were thinner, but then, I would rather have the longer 
> battery life, especially with the new sleep monitoring feature.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> Donna 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2020, at 8:36 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Well, i don’t really care as the XR fits me wall.
>> As long as it works i am happy.
>> It would be nice with a new watch though.
>> I wonder if they’ve redesigned it?
>> It could be a bit thinner in my opinion but i guess that would decrease the 
>> battery time.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 17 sep. 2020 kl. 22:51 skrev 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> I was a bit pissed off (I know I shouldn’t use that) but no phone, I 
>>> thought how rubbish as I want a new phone  as I need to upgrade at some 
>>> point from the 10. 
>>> 
>>> I have sold the watch so I might get a series 6. I have upgraded my present 
>>> phone and am wondering what has changed with voice over?
>>> 
>>> Kawal. 
>>> 
> On 17 Sep 2020, at 21:28, Dan Rathburn  wrote:
 
 
 Hello,
 
 I listened to the event with the video description on my SE 2020. For the 
 first time, I am thinking about getting an Aple Watch and giving serious 
 consideration to getting an iPad. I've reached an age where healthe issues 
 are a concern and the Apple Watch seems like a good tool to have handy. 
 Since getting the SE 2020, I've been using my iPhone 6 Plus as an iPod but 
 it is nearly 8 years old hence the interest in the iPad. The availibility 
 of time payments makes them worth the look. The event was rather low-key 
 without an audience but informative just the same. They should've followed 
 the example of the NFL and used canned crowd noise
 
 Regards,
 
 Dan
 
 
 
 The nice thing about science is that it's true whether you believe in it 
 or not.
 
 --
 From: "'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries" 
 Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 8:38 AM
 To: "via MacVisionaries" 
 Subject: Thoughts on Tuesday’s event?
 
> Hi all,
> 
> I’m surprised that there’s been no comment at all about Tuesday’s event, 
> though, I have to say that without talk of a new phone, it kind of felt 
> more like a non-event. :) But, just thought I would ask would people’s 
> thoughts are.
> 
> Personally, I don’t feel like there’s anything I absolutely have to have, 
> but I am considering the series 6 watch, and/or maybe a new iPad. My 
> current watch is a series 4, so upgrading to the 6 seems like it might be 
> worth it, and the blood oxygen monitor seems kind of cool. I’m intrigued 
> by the new iPad Air, though I’m not sure I want one that is that big. I 
> currently have a sixth-gen 9 inch, and I like that size.
> 
> Anyone else have any reactions?
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Thoughts on Tuesday’s event?

2020-09-18 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
Well, that's a feature of Watch 7, so if you want that, you just have to update 
your watch.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Sep 18, 2020, at 8:47 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Yeah, i need the sleep tracking feature.
> That’s something i really want to try.
> /A
> 
>> 18 sep. 2020 kl. 15:40 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I think it has some new internal components, for the pulse oxometer and the 
>> hand washing thing, but I don’t recall anything about it being redesigned. 
>> It would be nice if it were thinner, but then, I would rather have the 
>> longer battery life, especially with the new sleep monitoring feature.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> Donna 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2020, at 8:36 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Well, i don’t really care as the XR fits me wall.
>>> As long as it works i am happy.
>>> It would be nice with a new watch though.
>>> I wonder if they’ve redesigned it?
>>> It could be a bit thinner in my opinion but i guess that would decrease the 
>>> battery time.
>>> /A
>>> 
 17 sep. 2020 kl. 22:51 skrev 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
 :
 
 I was a bit pissed off (I know I shouldn’t use that) but no phone, I 
 thought how rubbish as I want a new phone  as I need to upgrade at some 
 point from the 10. 
 
 I have sold the watch so I might get a series 6. I have upgraded my 
 present phone and am wondering what has changed with voice over?
 
 Kawal. 
 
>> On 17 Sep 2020, at 21:28, Dan Rathburn  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I listened to the event with the video description on my SE 2020. For the 
> first time, I am thinking about getting an Aple Watch and giving serious 
> consideration to getting an iPad. I've reached an age where healthe 
> issues are a concern and the Apple Watch seems like a good tool to have 
> handy. Since getting the SE 2020, I've been using my iPhone 6 Plus as an 
> iPod but it is nearly 8 years old hence the interest in the iPad. The 
> availibility of time payments makes them worth the look. The event was 
> rather low-key without an audience but informative just the same. They 
> should've followed the example of the NFL and used canned crowd noise
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
> The nice thing about science is that it's true whether you believe in it 
> or not.
> 
> --
> From: "'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries" 
> 
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 8:38 AM
> To: "via MacVisionaries" 
> Subject: Thoughts on Tuesday’s event?
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I’m surprised that there’s been no comment at all about Tuesday’s event, 
>> though, I have to say that without talk of a new phone, it kind of felt 
>> more like a non-event. :) But, just thought I would ask would people’s 
>> thoughts are.
>> 
>> Personally, I don’t feel like there’s anything I absolutely have to 
>> have, but I am considering the series 6 watch, and/or maybe a new iPad. 
>> My current watch is a series 4, so upgrading to the 6 seems like it 
>> might be worth it, and the blood oxygen monitor seems kind of cool. I’m 
>> intrigued by the new iPad Air, though I’m not sure I want one that is 
>> that big. I currently have a sixth-gen 9 inch, and I like that size.
>> 
>> Anyone else have any reactions?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

2020-09-18 Thread M. Taylor
Hello Family,

1.
I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet.

Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model.
However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, albeit a
scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default.  This feature drove me
crazy because it kept saying something like "triangle or diagonal" almost
all the time when viewing items in a list.  It took me what seemed like
forever to find where this feature was located in the OS.  I found the
setting under VoiceOver Verbosity.  I turned the feature to off but doing so
did not disable the feature until after a restart of the device.

2.
I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11.  Strangely enough, all of the scene
descriptions were set to off, by default.

3.
My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus.  The 8 Plus has been on the
market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, sooner or later,
installing the latest OS begins to slow down the responsiveness of the
phone.  So, I am not going to install iOS14 on my 8 Plus until after hearing
from various people on this list, that doing so will not cause my 8 Plus to
slow down.  I am also not going to install 14 on my 8 Plus because I am
planning on purchasing an iPhone 12 when it is released; assuming that it
ships with a Touch ID sensor, as I strongly suspect that it will.  If the
iPhone 12 does not include a Touch ID sensor, then I will try to hold out
for another year in hopes that Apple will bring the hardware feature back on
a later model.

4.
Finally, my beloved Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus has an in-display Touch ID
sensor / Home button.  I am hoping that Apple will include the same or
similar feature on iPhone 12.  However, given the way that they have
implemented the new Touch ID on its latest releases of iPAds, all bets are
off.  Just have to wait and see.

5.
I would like to host another Zoom group discussion this Sunday so we can
talk about all of the new Apple software and hardware features and devices.
If I can manage it, I will send out a notice early Sunday morning.

I hope you are all doing well.

Mark


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Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

2020-09-18 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
Hi Mark,

I agree with you about the image descriptions. On one hand it's kind of cool 
that Foiceover can offer them, but they really do get distracting in my 
opinion. FWIW, when I installed 14 on my iPhone 11, image descriptions 
defaulted to on. Go figure. :)
Cheers,
Donna
P.S. I hope you're right about the 12 having a touch sensor. I almost bought an 
SE for that very reason, but was worried that it wouldn't have a good upgrade 
path, so decided to hold out.



> On Sep 18, 2020, at 11:01 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Family,
> 
> 1.
> I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet.
> 
> Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model.
> However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, albeit a
> scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default.  This feature drove me
> crazy because it kept saying something like "triangle or diagonal" almost
> all the time when viewing items in a list.  It took me what seemed like
> forever to find where this feature was located in the OS.  I found the
> setting under VoiceOver Verbosity.  I turned the feature to off but doing so
> did not disable the feature until after a restart of the device.
> 
> 2.
> I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11.  Strangely enough, all of the scene
> descriptions were set to off, by default.
> 
> 3.
> My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus.  The 8 Plus has been on the
> market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, sooner or later,
> installing the latest OS begins to slow down the responsiveness of the
> phone.  So, I am not going to install iOS14 on my 8 Plus until after hearing
> from various people on this list, that doing so will not cause my 8 Plus to
> slow down.  I am also not going to install 14 on my 8 Plus because I am
> planning on purchasing an iPhone 12 when it is released; assuming that it
> ships with a Touch ID sensor, as I strongly suspect that it will.  If the
> iPhone 12 does not include a Touch ID sensor, then I will try to hold out
> for another year in hopes that Apple will bring the hardware feature back on
> a later model.
> 
> 4.
> Finally, my beloved Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus has an in-display Touch ID
> sensor / Home button.  I am hoping that Apple will include the same or
> similar feature on iPhone 12.  However, given the way that they have
> implemented the new Touch ID on its latest releases of iPAds, all bets are
> off.  Just have to wait and see.
> 
> 5.
> I would like to host another Zoom group discussion this Sunday so we can
> talk about all of the new Apple software and hardware features and devices.
> If I can manage it, I will send out a notice early Sunday morning.
> 
> I hope you are all doing well.
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: Thoughts on Tuesday’s event?

2020-09-18 Thread Dan Rathburn



Hi,

I'm still researching the Apple Watch. I need to find out how much my 
carrier will charge me for the cellular model. As far as watching the event, 
I just clicked on a link provided in an email from another list member and 
it started playing with video description already enabled.


Regards,

Dan



The nice thing about science is that it's true whether you believe in it or 
not.


--
From: "Anders Holmberg" 
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 9:30 AM
To: "via MacVisionaries" 
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Tuesday’s event?


Hi!
THe cannned crowd noise i am not sure i agree about.
But the apple watch is pritty pritty good and since you might be thinking 
of the series 6 you will get  even more features.
I tell you that it has also got a noise or db meter which actually warns 
you when things are to loud for your ears.

I need that as a heavy metal fan.
BUt how did you view the show using the discriptive video?
I am not really sure how that works?
Thanks.
/A


17 sep. 2020 kl. 22:28 skrev Dan Rathburn :


Hello,

I listened to the event with the video description on my SE 2020. For the 
first time, I am thinking about getting an Aple Watch and giving serious 
consideration to getting an iPad. I've reached an age where healthe 
issues are a concern and the Apple Watch seems like a good tool to have 
handy. Since getting the SE 2020, I've been using my iPhone 6 Plus as an 
iPod but it is nearly 8 years old hence the interest in the iPad. The 
availibility of time payments makes them worth the look. The event was 
rather low-key without an audience but informative just the same. They 
should've followed the example of the NFL and used canned crowd noise


Regards,

Dan



The nice thing about science is that it's true whether you believe in it 
or not.


--
From: "'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries" 


Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 8:38 AM
To: "via MacVisionaries" 
Subject: Thoughts on Tuesday’s event?


Hi all,

I’m surprised that there’s been no comment at all about Tuesday’s event, 
though, I have to say that without talk of a new phone, it kind of felt 
more like a non-event. :) But, just thought I would ask would people’s 
thoughts are.


Personally, I don’t feel like there’s anything I absolutely have to 
have, but I am considering the series 6 watch, and/or maybe a new iPad. 
My current watch is a series 4, so upgrading to the 6 seems like it 
might be worth it, and the blood oxygen monitor seems kind of cool. I’m 
intrigued by the new iPad Air, though I’m not sure I want one that is 
that big. I currently have a sixth-gen 9 inch, and I like that size.


Anyone else have any reactions?
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPad

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Re: Thoughts on Tuesday’s event?

2020-09-18 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
Hi Dan,

I have never had a model with cellular data, and never felt I needed one. 
Unless you'll spend a lot of time in situations where you won't have your 
iPhone nearby, I wouldn't spend the money.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Sep 18, 2020, at 11:41 AM, Dan Rathburn  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm still researching the Apple Watch. I need to find out how much my carrier 
> will charge me for the cellular model. As far as watching the event, I just 
> clicked on a link provided in an email from another list member and it 
> started playing with video description already enabled.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
> The nice thing about science is that it's true whether you believe in it or 
> not.
> 
> --
> From: "Anders Holmberg" 
> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 9:30 AM
> To: "via MacVisionaries" 
> Subject: Re: Thoughts on Tuesday’s event?
> 
>> Hi!
>> THe cannned crowd noise i am not sure i agree about.
>> But the apple watch is pritty pritty good and since you might be thinking of 
>> the series 6 you will get  even more features.
>> I tell you that it has also got a noise or db meter which actually warns you 
>> when things are to loud for your ears.
>> I need that as a heavy metal fan.
>> BUt how did you view the show using the discriptive video?
>> I am not really sure how that works?
>> Thanks.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 17 sep. 2020 kl. 22:28 skrev Dan Rathburn :
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I listened to the event with the video description on my SE 2020. For the 
>>> first time, I am thinking about getting an Aple Watch and giving serious 
>>> consideration to getting an iPad. I've reached an age where healthe issues 
>>> are a concern and the Apple Watch seems like a good tool to have handy. 
>>> Since getting the SE 2020, I've been using my iPhone 6 Plus as an iPod but 
>>> it is nearly 8 years old hence the interest in the iPad. The availibility 
>>> of time payments makes them worth the look. The event was rather low-key 
>>> without an audience but informative just the same. They should've followed 
>>> the example of the NFL and used canned crowd noise
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The nice thing about science is that it's true whether you believe in it or 
>>> not.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> From: "'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries" 
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 8:38 AM
>>> To: "via MacVisionaries" 
>>> Subject: Thoughts on Tuesday’s event?
>>> 
 Hi all,
 
 I’m surprised that there’s been no comment at all about Tuesday’s event, 
 though, I have to say that without talk of a new phone, it kind of felt 
 more like a non-event. :) But, just thought I would ask would people’s 
 thoughts are.
 
 Personally, I don’t feel like there’s anything I absolutely have to have, 
 but I am considering the series 6 watch, and/or maybe a new iPad. My 
 current watch is a series 4, so upgrading to the 6 seems like it might be 
 worth it, and the blood oxygen monitor seems kind of cool. I’m intrigued 
 by the new iPad Air, though I’m not sure I want one that is that big. I 
 currently have a sixth-gen 9 inch, and I like that size.
 
 Anyone else have any reactions?
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
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Re: Thoughts on Tuesday’s event?

2020-09-18 Thread Dan Rathburn



Donna,

I'll take your advice to heart. I bought a Sharp Talking Time in 1979 and 
it's been lurking in my shirt pocket ever since. Wearing a watch again might 
take some getting used to.


Thanks,

Dan



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not.


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From: "'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 12:52 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Tuesday’s event?


Hi Dan,

I have never had a model with cellular data, and never felt I needed one. 
Unless you'll spend a lot of time in situations where you won't have your 
iPhone nearby, I wouldn't spend the money.

Cheers,
Donna


On Sep 18, 2020, at 11:41 AM, Dan Rathburn  
wrote:



Hi,

I'm still researching the Apple Watch. I need to find out how much my 
carrier will charge me for the cellular model. As far as watching the 
event, I just clicked on a link provided in an email from another list 
member and it started playing with video description already enabled.


Regards,

Dan



The nice thing about science is that it's true whether you believe in it 
or not.


--
From: "Anders Holmberg" 
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 9:30 AM
To: "via MacVisionaries" 
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Tuesday’s event?


Hi!
THe cannned crowd noise i am not sure i agree about.
But the apple watch is pritty pritty good and since you might be 
thinking of the series 6 you will get  even more features.
I tell you that it has also got a noise or db meter which actually warns 
you when things are to loud for your ears.

I need that as a heavy metal fan.
BUt how did you view the show using the discriptive video?
I am not really sure how that works?
Thanks.
/A


17 sep. 2020 kl. 22:28 skrev Dan Rathburn :


Hello,

I listened to the event with the video description on my SE 2020. For 
the first time, I am thinking about getting an Aple Watch and giving 
serious consideration to getting an iPad. I've reached an age where 
healthe issues are a concern and the Apple Watch seems like a good tool 
to have handy. Since getting the SE 2020, I've been using my iPhone 6 
Plus as an iPod but it is nearly 8 years old hence the interest in the 
iPad. The availibility of time payments makes them worth the look. The 
event was rather low-key without an audience but informative just the 
same. They should've followed the example of the NFL and used canned 
crowd noise


Regards,

Dan



The nice thing about science is that it's true whether you believe in 
it or not.


--
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Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 8:38 AM
To: "via MacVisionaries" 
Subject: Thoughts on Tuesday’s event?


Hi all,

I’m surprised that there’s been no comment at all about Tuesday’s 
event, though, I have to say that without talk of a new phone, it kind 
of felt more like a non-event. :) But, just thought I would ask would 
people’s thoughts are.


Personally, I don’t feel like there’s anything I absolutely have to 
have, but I am considering the series 6 watch, and/or maybe a new 
iPad. My current watch is a series 4, so upgrading to the 6 seems like 
it might be worth it, and the blood oxygen monitor seems kind of cool. 
I’m intrigued by the new iPad Air, though I’m not sure I want one that 
is that big. I currently have a sixth-gen 9 inch, and I like that 
size.


Anyone else have any reactions?
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPad

Sent from my iPad

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Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

2020-09-18 Thread Anders holmberg
Hello Mark! Hope you are doing well. It would be so nice to have a zoom meeting 
depending on what time morning is in Swedish time. One thing I am curious about 
is if you guys feel that the keyboard is more sluggish with Siri voices? Not 
much but a bit sluggish. With the Swedish one the keyboard is quite sluggish so 
I have to use the nuance voice is a lot which I really don't like as they are 
having some kind of glitch when it speaks. There is a small crack sometimes 
when it starts talking. Otherwise I don't have any problems with The new 
update. Maybe the screen recognition but that's been there since the data came 
out.

> 18 sep. 2020 kl. 18:02 skrev M. Taylor :
> 
> Hello Family,
> 
> 1.
> I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet.
> 
> Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model.
> However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, albeit a
> scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default.  This feature drove me
> crazy because it kept saying something like "triangle or diagonal" almost
> all the time when viewing items in a list.  It took me what seemed like
> forever to find where this feature was located in the OS.  I found the
> setting under VoiceOver Verbosity.  I turned the feature to off but doing so
> did not disable the feature until after a restart of the device.
> 
> 2.
> I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11.  Strangely enough, all of the scene
> descriptions were set to off, by default.
> 
> 3.
> My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus.  The 8 Plus has been on the
> market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, sooner or later,
> installing the latest OS begins to slow down the responsiveness of the
> phone.  So, I am not going to install iOS14 on my 8 Plus until after hearing
> from various people on this list, that doing so will not cause my 8 Plus to
> slow down.  I am also not going to install 14 on my 8 Plus because I am
> planning on purchasing an iPhone 12 when it is released; assuming that it
> ships with a Touch ID sensor, as I strongly suspect that it will.  If the
> iPhone 12 does not include a Touch ID sensor, then I will try to hold out
> for another year in hopes that Apple will bring the hardware feature back on
> a later model.
> 
> 4.
> Finally, my beloved Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus has an in-display Touch ID
> sensor / Home button.  I am hoping that Apple will include the same or
> similar feature on iPhone 12.  However, given the way that they have
> implemented the new Touch ID on its latest releases of iPAds, all bets are
> off.  Just have to wait and see.
> 
> 5.
> I would like to host another Zoom group discussion this Sunday so we can
> talk about all of the new Apple software and hardware features and devices.
> If I can manage it, I will send out a notice early Sunday morning.
> 
> I hope you are all doing well.
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: Thoughts on Tuesday’s event?

2020-09-18 Thread Anders holmberg
Hi Donna! You don't know what you're missing. It's so nice to walk around 
having the watch on your wrist and don't care for the heavy iPhone. The only 
problem I have is that when I'm on a call and have turn Bluetooth off on the 
iPhone I can get an incoming call on the watch. That is a bit strange I think.

> 18 sep. 2020 kl. 18:52 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hi Dan,
> 
> I have never had a model with cellular data, and never felt I needed one. 
> Unless you'll spend a lot of time in situations where you won't have your 
> iPhone nearby, I wouldn't spend the money.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2020, at 11:41 AM, Dan Rathburn  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I'm still researching the Apple Watch. I need to find out how much my 
>> carrier will charge me for the cellular model. As far as watching the event, 
>> I just clicked on a link provided in an email from another list member and 
>> it started playing with video description already enabled.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The nice thing about science is that it's true whether you believe in it or 
>> not.
>> 
>> --
>> From: "Anders Holmberg" 
>> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 9:30 AM
>> To: "via MacVisionaries" 
>> Subject: Re: Thoughts on Tuesday’s event?
>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> THe cannned crowd noise i am not sure i agree about.
>>> But the apple watch is pritty pritty good and since you might be thinking 
>>> of the series 6 you will get  even more features.
>>> I tell you that it has also got a noise or db meter which actually warns 
>>> you when things are to loud for your ears.
>>> I need that as a heavy metal fan.
>>> BUt how did you view the show using the discriptive video?
>>> I am not really sure how that works?
>>> Thanks.
>>> /A
>>> 
> 17 sep. 2020 kl. 22:28 skrev Dan Rathburn :
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I listened to the event with the video description on my SE 2020. For the 
> first time, I am thinking about getting an Aple Watch and giving serious 
> consideration to getting an iPad. I've reached an age where healthe 
> issues are a concern and the Apple Watch seems like a good tool to have 
> handy. Since getting the SE 2020, I've been using my iPhone 6 Plus as an 
> iPod but it is nearly 8 years old hence the interest in the iPad. The 
> availibility of time payments makes them worth the look. The event was 
> rather low-key without an audience but informative just the same. They 
> should've followed the example of the NFL and used canned crowd noise
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
> The nice thing about science is that it's true whether you believe in it 
> or not.
> 
> --
> From: "'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries" 
> 
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 8:38 AM
> To: "via MacVisionaries" 
> Subject: Thoughts on Tuesday’s event?
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I’m surprised that there’s been no comment at all about Tuesday’s event, 
>> though, I have to say that without talk of a new phone, it kind of felt 
>> more like a non-event. :) But, just thought I would ask would people’s 
>> thoughts are.
>> 
>> Personally, I don’t feel like there’s anything I absolutely have to 
>> have, but I am considering the series 6 watch, and/or maybe a new iPad. 
>> My current watch is a series 4, so upgrading to the 6 seems like it 
>> might be worth it, and the blood oxygen monitor seems kind of cool. I’m 
>> intrigued by the new iPad Air, though I’m not sure I want one that is 
>> that big. I currently have a sixth-gen 9 inch, and I like that size.
>> 
>> Anyone else have any reactions?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
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Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

2020-09-18 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
Hi Anders,

I am not noticing any keyboard sluggishness.
Best,
Donna


> On Sep 18, 2020, at 1:01 PM, Anders holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hello Mark! Hope you are doing well. It would be so nice to have a zoom 
> meeting depending on what time morning is in Swedish time. One thing I am 
> curious about is if you guys feel that the keyboard is more sluggish with 
> Siri voices? Not much but a bit sluggish. With the Swedish one the keyboard 
> is quite sluggish so I have to use the nuance voice is a lot which I really 
> don't like as they are having some kind of glitch when it speaks. There is a 
> small crack sometimes when it starts talking. Otherwise I don't have any 
> problems with The new update. Maybe the screen recognition but that's been 
> there since the data came out.
> 
>> 18 sep. 2020 kl. 18:02 skrev M. Taylor :
>> 
>> Hello Family,
>> 
>> 1.
>> I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet.
>> 
>> Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model.
>> However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, albeit a
>> scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default.  This feature drove me
>> crazy because it kept saying something like "triangle or diagonal" almost
>> all the time when viewing items in a list.  It took me what seemed like
>> forever to find where this feature was located in the OS.  I found the
>> setting under VoiceOver Verbosity.  I turned the feature to off but doing so
>> did not disable the feature until after a restart of the device.
>> 
>> 2.
>> I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11.  Strangely enough, all of the scene
>> descriptions were set to off, by default.
>> 
>> 3.
>> My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus.  The 8 Plus has been on the
>> market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, sooner or later,
>> installing the latest OS begins to slow down the responsiveness of the
>> phone.  So, I am not going to install iOS14 on my 8 Plus until after hearing
>> from various people on this list, that doing so will not cause my 8 Plus to
>> slow down.  I am also not going to install 14 on my 8 Plus because I am
>> planning on purchasing an iPhone 12 when it is released; assuming that it
>> ships with a Touch ID sensor, as I strongly suspect that it will.  If the
>> iPhone 12 does not include a Touch ID sensor, then I will try to hold out
>> for another year in hopes that Apple will bring the hardware feature back on
>> a later model.
>> 
>> 4.
>> Finally, my beloved Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus has an in-display Touch ID
>> sensor / Home button.  I am hoping that Apple will include the same or
>> similar feature on iPhone 12.  However, given the way that they have
>> implemented the new Touch ID on its latest releases of iPAds, all bets are
>> off.  Just have to wait and see.
>> 
>> 5.
>> I would like to host another Zoom group discussion this Sunday so we can
>> talk about all of the new Apple software and hardware features and devices.
>> If I can manage it, I will send out a notice early Sunday morning.
>> 
>> I hope you are all doing well.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
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Re: Thoughts on Tuesday’s event?

2020-09-18 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
Hi Anders,

Maybe it's a guy thing. My phone is always either in range here in my house, 
or, if I'm out, it's in my purse, which is nearly always in range of my watch. 
I would carry my phone in my purse whether I had the watch or not, so not 
having cell data on the watch is really irrelevant to me. I was an early 
adopter of the watch when it first came out, and the only time in all that time 
that I regretted not having cellular data on my watch was once when I took a 
weekend trip and accidentally left my phone at home. And that one incident 
isn't worth the $10 a month--or whatever it would be--that Verizon would charge 
me.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Sep 18, 2020, at 1:11 PM, Anders holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna! You don't know what you're missing. It's so nice to walk around 
> having the watch on your wrist and don't care for the heavy iPhone. The only 
> problem I have is that when I'm on a call and have turn Bluetooth off on the 
> iPhone I can get an incoming call on the watch. That is a bit strange I think.
> 
>> 18 sep. 2020 kl. 18:52 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Hi Dan,
>> 
>> I have never had a model with cellular data, and never felt I needed one. 
>> Unless you'll spend a lot of time in situations where you won't have your 
>> iPhone nearby, I wouldn't spend the money.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2020, at 11:41 AM, Dan Rathburn  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I'm still researching the Apple Watch. I need to find out how much my 
>>> carrier will charge me for the cellular model. As far as watching the 
>>> event, I just clicked on a link provided in an email from another list 
>>> member and it started playing with video description already enabled.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The nice thing about science is that it's true whether you believe in it or 
>>> not.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> From: "Anders Holmberg" 
>>> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 9:30 AM
>>> To: "via MacVisionaries" 
>>> Subject: Re: Thoughts on Tuesday’s event?
>>> 
 Hi!
 THe cannned crowd noise i am not sure i agree about.
 But the apple watch is pritty pritty good and since you might be thinking 
 of the series 6 you will get  even more features.
 I tell you that it has also got a noise or db meter which actually warns 
 you when things are to loud for your ears.
 I need that as a heavy metal fan.
 BUt how did you view the show using the discriptive video?
 I am not really sure how that works?
 Thanks.
 /A
 
>> 17 sep. 2020 kl. 22:28 skrev Dan Rathburn :
>> 
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I listened to the event with the video description on my SE 2020. For 
>> the first time, I am thinking about getting an Aple Watch and giving 
>> serious consideration to getting an iPad. I've reached an age where 
>> healthe issues are a concern and the Apple Watch seems like a good tool 
>> to have handy. Since getting the SE 2020, I've been using my iPhone 6 
>> Plus as an iPod but it is nearly 8 years old hence the interest in the 
>> iPad. The availibility of time payments makes them worth the look. The 
>> event was rather low-key without an audience but informative just the 
>> same. They should've followed the example of the NFL and used canned 
>> crowd noise
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The nice thing about science is that it's true whether you believe in it 
>> or not.
>> 
>> --
>> From: "'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries" 
>> 
>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 8:38 AM
>> To: "via MacVisionaries" 
>> Subject: Thoughts on Tuesday’s event?
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I’m surprised that there’s been no comment at all about Tuesday’s 
>>> event, though, I have to say that without talk of a new phone, it kind 
>>> of felt more like a non-event. :) But, just thought I would ask would 
>>> people’s thoughts are.
>>> 
>>> Personally, I don’t feel like there’s anything I absolutely have to 
>>> have, but I am considering the series 6 watch, and/or maybe a new iPad. 
>>> My current watch is a series 4, so upgrading to the 6 seems like it 
>>> might be worth it, and the blood oxygen monitor seems kind of cool. I’m 
>>> intrigued by the new iPad Air, though I’m not sure I want one that is 
>>> that big. I currently have a sixth-gen 9 inch, and I like that size.
>>> 
>>> Anyone else have any reactions?
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
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Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

2020-09-18 Thread 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries
Well I hope the 12 has a Touch ID as I can’t use Face ID when I have to use a 
mask.  I bet Apple will put it on there and there excuse will be due to wearing 
masks.

Kawal.

> On 18 Sep 2020, at 19:11, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Anders,
> 
> I am not noticing any keyboard sluggishness.
> Best,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2020, at 1:01 PM, Anders holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Mark! Hope you are doing well. It would be so nice to have a zoom 
>> meeting depending on what time morning is in Swedish time. One thing I am 
>> curious about is if you guys feel that the keyboard is more sluggish with 
>> Siri voices? Not much but a bit sluggish. With the Swedish one the keyboard 
>> is quite sluggish so I have to use the nuance voice is a lot which I really 
>> don't like as they are having some kind of glitch when it speaks. There is a 
>> small crack sometimes when it starts talking. Otherwise I don't have any 
>> problems with The new update. Maybe the screen recognition but that's been 
>> there since the data came out.
>> 
>>> 18 sep. 2020 kl. 18:02 skrev M. Taylor :
>>> 
>>> Hello Family,
>>> 
>>> 1.
>>> I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet.
>>> 
>>> Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model.
>>> However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, albeit a
>>> scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default.  This feature drove me
>>> crazy because it kept saying something like "triangle or diagonal" almost
>>> all the time when viewing items in a list.  It took me what seemed like
>>> forever to find where this feature was located in the OS.  I found the
>>> setting under VoiceOver Verbosity.  I turned the feature to off but doing so
>>> did not disable the feature until after a restart of the device.
>>> 
>>> 2.
>>> I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11.  Strangely enough, all of the scene
>>> descriptions were set to off, by default.
>>> 
>>> 3.
>>> My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus.  The 8 Plus has been on the
>>> market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, sooner or later,
>>> installing the latest OS begins to slow down the responsiveness of the
>>> phone.  So, I am not going to install iOS14 on my 8 Plus until after hearing
>>> from various people on this list, that doing so will not cause my 8 Plus to
>>> slow down.  I am also not going to install 14 on my 8 Plus because I am
>>> planning on purchasing an iPhone 12 when it is released; assuming that it
>>> ships with a Touch ID sensor, as I strongly suspect that it will.  If the
>>> iPhone 12 does not include a Touch ID sensor, then I will try to hold out
>>> for another year in hopes that Apple will bring the hardware feature back on
>>> a later model.
>>> 
>>> 4.
>>> Finally, my beloved Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus has an in-display Touch ID
>>> sensor / Home button.  I am hoping that Apple will include the same or
>>> similar feature on iPhone 12.  However, given the way that they have
>>> implemented the new Touch ID on its latest releases of iPAds, all bets are
>>> off.  Just have to wait and see.
>>> 
>>> 5.
>>> I would like to host another Zoom group discussion this Sunday so we can
>>> talk about all of the new Apple software and hardware features and devices.
>>> If I can manage it, I will send out a notice early Sunday morning.
>>> 
>>> I hope you are all doing well.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
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Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

2020-09-18 Thread Mary Otten
There is some kind of feature in iOS 14 which will speed up having the “use 
passcode“, if you’re on a phone that has only Face ID. So there is not going to 
be touch ID on the iPhone 12 I am extremely sure. They put this new feature in 
14 to try to help with the mask situation.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2020, at 11:23 AM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well I hope the 12 has a Touch ID as I can’t use Face ID when I have to use 
> a mask.  I bet Apple will put it on there and there excuse will be due to 
> wearing masks.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
>> On 18 Sep 2020, at 19:11, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Anders,
>> 
>> I am not noticing any keyboard sluggishness.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
 On Sep 18, 2020, at 1:01 PM, Anders holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Mark! Hope you are doing well. It would be so nice to have a zoom 
>>> meeting depending on what time morning is in Swedish time. One thing I am 
>>> curious about is if you guys feel that the keyboard is more sluggish with 
>>> Siri voices? Not much but a bit sluggish. With the Swedish one the keyboard 
>>> is quite sluggish so I have to use the nuance voice is a lot which I really 
>>> don't like as they are having some kind of glitch when it speaks. There is 
>>> a small crack sometimes when it starts talking. Otherwise I don't have any 
>>> problems with The new update. Maybe the screen recognition but that's been 
>>> there since the data came out.
>>> 
 18 sep. 2020 kl. 18:02 skrev M. Taylor :
 
 Hello Family,
 
 1.
 I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet.
 
 Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model.
 However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, albeit a
 scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default.  This feature drove me
 crazy because it kept saying something like "triangle or diagonal" almost
 all the time when viewing items in a list.  It took me what seemed like
 forever to find where this feature was located in the OS.  I found the
 setting under VoiceOver Verbosity.  I turned the feature to off but doing 
 so
 did not disable the feature until after a restart of the device.
 
 2.
 I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11.  Strangely enough, all of the scene
 descriptions were set to off, by default.
 
 3.
 My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus.  The 8 Plus has been on the
 market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, sooner or later,
 installing the latest OS begins to slow down the responsiveness of the
 phone.  So, I am not going to install iOS14 on my 8 Plus until after 
 hearing
 from various people on this list, that doing so will not cause my 8 Plus to
 slow down.  I am also not going to install 14 on my 8 Plus because I am
 planning on purchasing an iPhone 12 when it is released; assuming that it
 ships with a Touch ID sensor, as I strongly suspect that it will.  If the
 iPhone 12 does not include a Touch ID sensor, then I will try to hold out
 for another year in hopes that Apple will bring the hardware feature back 
 on
 a later model.
 
 4.
 Finally, my beloved Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus has an in-display Touch ID
 sensor / Home button.  I am hoping that Apple will include the same or
 similar feature on iPhone 12.  However, given the way that they have
 implemented the new Touch ID on its latest releases of iPAds, all bets are
 off.  Just have to wait and see.
 
 5.
 I would like to host another Zoom group discussion this Sunday so we can
 talk about all of the new Apple software and hardware features and devices.
 If I can manage it, I will send out a notice early Sunday morning.
 
 I hope you are all doing well.
 
 Mark
 
 
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Financial Management on the Mac

2020-09-18 Thread Kerryann Ifill
Hi all,

Does anyone recommend any financial management apps for themas under Catalina?

I’ve used sea finance with mixed results.  Any suggestions?

Kerry

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Re: Financial Management on the Mac

2020-09-18 Thread Brandon Olivares
My favorite is You Need a Budget (YNAB). It’s a web app and an IOS app. It has 
a bit of a steeper learning curve, but it’s worth it.

If you need any help, let me know. I am a financial advisor.

Brandon

> On Sep 18, 2020, at 11:09 PM, Kerryann Ifill  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Does anyone recommend any financial management apps for themas under Catalina?
> 
> I’ve used sea finance with mixed results.  Any suggestions?
> 
> Kerry
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