Re: Big Sur beta installation stuck

['Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Andrew. Write me off list. Since this is a beta question, I don't want to 
get in trouble by the mods talking about betas.

Regards,
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> On Aug 14, 2020, at 3:44 AM, Anders holmberg  wrote:
> 
> I also suggest that you subscribe to the public beta users group on groups.IO
> 
>> 13 aug. 2020 kl. 19:57 skrev Jonathan Cohn :
>> 
>> Mac APFS is a confusing system. You can delete things, empty the trash, and 
>> then startup time_machine and restore the file even if you do not have a 
>> time machine disk. This is because of "snapshots". This might be related to 
>> pursuable data. If you do have a time machine disk, make sure your backups 
>> are complete and then empty the trash on all accounts ands see if that 
>> resolves your space issues.
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 13, 2020, at 9:02 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I’m enrolled in beta testing on my mac.  I’ve just been trying to install 
>>> first beta of Big Sur but I get a message that 27 GB additional space on my 
>>> hard drive is required.  I’m installing it on 120 GB macbook air and I have 
>>> not got significant stuff on it either.  When I look at the info of my 
>>> macintosh HD, it says 37 GB available 10 GB purgeable (don’t know what it 
>>> means).  I can’t find any folder that would take up so much room on my hard 
>>> drive as I mostly use icloud services.  The largest folder in my home 
>>> folder is 4 GB, the rest is less than 1 GB.  Any ideas?
>>> 
>>> Andrew
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Re: Big Sur beta installation stuck

[Kliph Senior]

Or come ask in the beta group

Are you testing an apple beta?  want to discuss bugs with other testers?  Then 
come join a friendly, helpful, laid back community where we can squash these 
bugs together, and report them to apple. Subscribe here
public-beta-users+subscr...@groups.io
Because of the non disclosure agreement, I have to say if your not a beta 
tester, please don’t join the group.

> On Aug 16, 2020, at 3:25 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Andrew. Write me off list. Since this is a beta question, I don't want to 
> get in trouble by the mods talking about betas.
> 
> Regards,
> Shawn,
> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
> 
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> 
>> On Aug 14, 2020, at 3:44 AM, Anders holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> I also suggest that you subscribe to the public beta users group on groups.IO
>> 
>>> 13 aug. 2020 kl. 19:57 skrev Jonathan Cohn >> >:
>>> 
>>> Mac APFS is a confusing system. You can delete things, empty the trash, 
>>> and then startup time_machine and restore the file even if you do not have 
>>> a time machine disk. This is because of "snapshots". This might be related 
>>> to pursuable data. If you do have a time machine disk, make sure your 
>>> backups are complete and then empty the trash on all accounts ands see if 
>>> that resolves your space issues.
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 13, 2020, at 9:02 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I’m enrolled in beta testing on my mac.  I’ve just been trying to install 
 first beta of Big Sur but I get a message that 27 GB additional space on 
 my hard drive is required.  I’m installing it on 120 GB macbook air and I 
 have not got significant stuff on it either.  When I look at the info of 
 my macintosh HD, it says 37 GB available 10 GB purgeable (don’t know what 
 it means).  I can’t find any folder that would take up so much room on my 
 hard drive as I mostly use icloud services.  The largest folder in my home 
 folder is 4 GB, the rest is less than 1 GB.  Any ideas?
 
 Andrew
 
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Mantis review

[Scott Davert]

I didn't have a Mac to test on, but covered iOS. There were some
questions on the list, so I thought I'd pass my article along to this
list.

Regards,
Scott
https://www.afb.org/aw/21/8/17143
A Review Of the Mantis Q 40 QWERTY Braille Display by APH and HumanWare
Scott Davert
In the current braille display market, most devices use a
Perkins-style keyboard. This allows for more portability and the
option of typing in contracted braille, which some people find
preferable. One of the disadvantages of a braille display with the
Perkins-style keyboard is that the individual has to learn a series of
specific commands for controlling either the display itself, or its
driving screen reader.
A device has come along to address the challenge of learning new
commands for each operating system. That device, on which I am
currently composing this article, is the Mantis Q 40. Unlike many of
its counterparts, this device comes equipped with a standard QWERTY
keyboard. It also has a set of internal applications for file
management, composing and editing documents, reading books, and
performing calculations. It also provides the option to download
Bookshare and NFB Newsline content directly to the device. Finally, it
has the capability to connect up to five Bluetooth devices
simultaneously, along with one USB connection.
What's In The Box?
Inside the box is the Mantis Q, a USB power adapter, an A to USB C
cable for charging and connecting to external devices, and a braille
and print Getting Started guide. The units shipping now also come with
a protective (TPU) case. One was not included with mine, since there
were delays due to the COVID-19 pandemic. I asked Greg Stilson, APH
Head Of Global Innovation, to describe the case, and this was his
response:
This is basically a green case that the Mantis sits in, when being
used. It covers the bottom and all edges for protection. It does not
however have a closing flap. APH does sell an optional Executive
Products case made of high quality leather for those professionals who
will be on the move a lot... TPU stands for Thermoplastic
Polyurethane. It is made up of plastic, elastic and rubber and is
extremely common in the smartphone case industry.
Orientation
Placing the Mantis on a flat surface with the braille display nearest
you, it is laid out as follows. On the front of the device, there are
a series of five buttons or “thumb keys.” From left to right, they
are: Previous, Pan Left, Home, Pan Right, and Next. The Previous thumb
key will take you to the previous item, the Pan Left button pans the
braille to the left, the Home button (which can also serve as an
Escape key) will take you Home, the Pan Right key will pan the braille
to the right, and the Next key will take you to the next item.
Along the left side of the device, the closest thing to you is a Type
A USB port, behind that is a small round Power button, and furthest
from you is the USB C port. The USB A female port is used to plug in a
flash drive to manage data. To start the device, press and hold the
Power button for about two seconds. The device takes about fifteen
seconds to start up. The Mantis will indicate “starting” on the
braille display. A progress spinner will indicate that the device is
booting until it is ready. A brief press of the Power button while on
puts it to sleep. Another brief press of the Power button wakes the
device. The USB C port is used to both charge the Mantis and also to
connect with external devices through USB. Along the back edge, you
will find a slot for SD cards. The Mantis accepts SD cards up to 64
GB.
The closest thing to you on the surface is the 40-cell display. To me,
the braille feels a lot like the BrailleNote Touch and has a slight
spongy feel to it. Behind each cell is a cursor routing button. Behind
the cursor routing buttons you will find the QWERTY keyboard. It has a
very similar layout to a laptop keyboard without the number pad. The
bottom row of keys, from left to right, are as follows: Control, FN
(function), Windows, Left Alt, Space Bar, Right Alt, Right Control,
Left Arrow, Down Arrow, and Right Arrow. Slightly above the Down Arrow
is the Up Arrow key. On a Mac or iOS device, the functions of the
bottom row are slightly different than on Windows and the internal
programs. To the left of the Spacebar, starting at the left edge are
the Control key, FN, Option, and Command keys. To the right of the
Spacebar are the Option and Right Control key.
The remaining five rows of keys reflect what is typically your QWERTY
keyboard layout on a laptop without a number pad. For more details,
you can consult the User Guide, which explains the rest of the layout
in detail.
A Familiar Interface
When you start the Mantis, you will be at the Main Menu. Just like
with Windows, you can navigate among your choices by pressing the Up
or Down Arrow keys. If you are in an application, you can press the
Windows or Home key to return to the main menu. Pressing Escape will
close the application 

Re: Mantis review

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Nice review, Scott. Very thorough. Thank you for sharing.
Cheers,
Donna



> On Aug 16, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Scott Davert  wrote:
> 
> I didn't have a Mac to test on, but covered iOS. There were some
> questions on the list, so I thought I'd pass my article along to this
> list.
> 
> Regards,
> Scott
> https://www.afb.org/aw/21/8/17143
> A Review Of the Mantis Q 40 QWERTY Braille Display by APH and HumanWare
> Scott Davert
> In the current braille display market, most devices use a
> Perkins-style keyboard. This allows for more portability and the
> option of typing in contracted braille, which some people find
> preferable. One of the disadvantages of a braille display with the
> Perkins-style keyboard is that the individual has to learn a series of
> specific commands for controlling either the display itself, or its
> driving screen reader.
> A device has come along to address the challenge of learning new
> commands for each operating system. That device, on which I am
> currently composing this article, is the Mantis Q 40. Unlike many of
> its counterparts, this device comes equipped with a standard QWERTY
> keyboard. It also has a set of internal applications for file
> management, composing and editing documents, reading books, and
> performing calculations. It also provides the option to download
> Bookshare and NFB Newsline content directly to the device. Finally, it
> has the capability to connect up to five Bluetooth devices
> simultaneously, along with one USB connection.
> What's In The Box?
> Inside the box is the Mantis Q, a USB power adapter, an A to USB C
> cable for charging and connecting to external devices, and a braille
> and print Getting Started guide. The units shipping now also come with
> a protective (TPU) case. One was not included with mine, since there
> were delays due to the COVID-19 pandemic. I asked Greg Stilson, APH
> Head Of Global Innovation, to describe the case, and this was his
> response:
> This is basically a green case that the Mantis sits in, when being
> used. It covers the bottom and all edges for protection. It does not
> however have a closing flap. APH does sell an optional Executive
> Products case made of high quality leather for those professionals who
> will be on the move a lot... TPU stands for Thermoplastic
> Polyurethane. It is made up of plastic, elastic and rubber and is
> extremely common in the smartphone case industry.
> Orientation
> Placing the Mantis on a flat surface with the braille display nearest
> you, it is laid out as follows. On the front of the device, there are
> a series of five buttons or “thumb keys.” From left to right, they
> are: Previous, Pan Left, Home, Pan Right, and Next. The Previous thumb
> key will take you to the previous item, the Pan Left button pans the
> braille to the left, the Home button (which can also serve as an
> Escape key) will take you Home, the Pan Right key will pan the braille
> to the right, and the Next key will take you to the next item.
> Along the left side of the device, the closest thing to you is a Type
> A USB port, behind that is a small round Power button, and furthest
> from you is the USB C port. The USB A female port is used to plug in a
> flash drive to manage data. To start the device, press and hold the
> Power button for about two seconds. The device takes about fifteen
> seconds to start up. The Mantis will indicate “starting” on the
> braille display. A progress spinner will indicate that the device is
> booting until it is ready. A brief press of the Power button while on
> puts it to sleep. Another brief press of the Power button wakes the
> device. The USB C port is used to both charge the Mantis and also to
> connect with external devices through USB. Along the back edge, you
> will find a slot for SD cards. The Mantis accepts SD cards up to 64
> GB.
> The closest thing to you on the surface is the 40-cell display. To me,
> the braille feels a lot like the BrailleNote Touch and has a slight
> spongy feel to it. Behind each cell is a cursor routing button. Behind
> the cursor routing buttons you will find the QWERTY keyboard. It has a
> very similar layout to a laptop keyboard without the number pad. The
> bottom row of keys, from left to right, are as follows: Control, FN
> (function), Windows, Left Alt, Space Bar, Right Alt, Right Control,
> Left Arrow, Down Arrow, and Right Arrow. Slightly above the Down Arrow
> is the Up Arrow key. On a Mac or iOS device, the functions of the
> bottom row are slightly different than on Windows and the internal
> programs. To the left of the Spacebar, starting at the left edge are
> the Control key, FN, Option, and Command keys. To the right of the
> Spacebar are the Option and Right Control key.
> The remaining five rows of keys reflect what is typically your QWERTY
> keyboard layout on a laptop without a number pad. For more details,
> you can consult the User Guide, which explains the rest of the layout
> in detail.
> A Familiar Interface
> W