Re: Vmware tools for linux.

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Anders:

It's been quite a while, but I did successfully install VMware on my
Airbook a few years ago using just Voice Over. I don't recall the
details.

PS: I have it on pretty good authority a more fully accessible VMware is
slated for release around September timeframe.

Best,

Janina

Anders Holmberg writes:
> Hi!
> I actually need to install vmware Tools for Linux but the installer seems 
> inaccessible in a graphical environment.
> I got some questions that VoiceOver was able to read then nothing more 
> happens.
> Is there any console or terminal based installer for vmware tools?
> /A
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WWDC Releases

[Simon A Fogarty]

Ok so having just finished watching the keynote due to not wanting to get up at 
5am Nz time,

I'm rather inpressed with what they are saying is going to be coming out in the 
new Os  versions,

I'm going to assume that like in IOS 13 that somethings wont be available until 
time down the track,
But ok fine, so long as they get it right this time and don't have continuous 
issues in production like they are still having in 13.

The one big concern I have going forward is only due to my mixed alegance,
That being that I'm using both Mac OS and windows on my 2013 air via bootcamp,

And that is that with the new technology for the mac computer line,
The use of the apple silicon architecture
Will I still be able to run windows via bootcamp or will I have to go to a VM 
product like vm fusion which I have but prefer BC or parallels which I believe 
is still not accessible to us and doesn't like jaws if it's installed to a 
windows vm!

What I do see finally happening here with the new architecture is that mac os 
and IOS / iPad os etc will in a few years be one and the same which they have 
been working on for a long time now.

More seamless interaction between devices / platforms and a single app store 
and app range for all devices.

I'm also interested to finally get to try a beta on my watch once watch os 14 
public beta is made available next month,
Now not something just for the developers out there.

I'm also now more interested in the airpods pro and having surround sound type 
features fromm them while in use, that could be very cool for live music 
situations if concerts are recorded in such formats as dolby atmos etc,

But the real funny one is you have if in the situation  your car keys on your 
phone,

Your phone gets stolen,
And now will your car also,

I'm glad I'm not a BMW fan,

Pall in all I think this sounds like a good release, and the presentation was 
very well done under the circumstances  , I'm interested to hear / see what 
other companys do now going forward when it comes to conferences and product 
releases.
Apple should be bloody proud of the keynote,


Just my thoughts
SF

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Re: metronome App

[Phil Halton]

Tempo perfect is a good one.

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> Can anyone recommend an accessible metronome app for iOS?
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Apple Music and iTunes match subscriptions I currently have iTunes match and M now on a three months trial subscription to Apple Music. I kind of like Apple Music. What will I lose if I ditch the iTun

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Re: metronome App

[Dezman Jackson]

Thanks Phil for the recommendation. 

Dezman

> On Jun 23, 2020, at 10:28 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
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> Tempo perfect is a good one.
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>> Hello list,
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>> Can anyone recommend an accessible metronome app for iOS?
>> 
>> Thanks,
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Re: Apple Music and iTunes match subscriptions I currently have iTunes match and M now on a three months trial subscription to Apple Music. I kind of like Apple Music. What will I lose if I ditch the

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Supposedly, it should not matter as they both use the iCloud Music Library.  
But, I ended up keeping both.  Apple Music kept substituting live versions, or 
alternative, versions of many of my titles that were ripped from CD’s.  The 
version that I am used to hearing, is the version that I prefer to listen to.  
There are a few half-workarounds that you can do such as search through the 
Apple Music catalog for your specific version of the song, but that is not 
always successful.  There were even a few cases where songs were not available 
in Apple Music in my country, but iTunes Match gave me the iTunes Plus version 
just fine.  My understanding is that, in most cases, if you have both services, 
iTunes Match content takes priority.  I’ve kept a separate backup of my matched 
content just in case anything else happens too.  Apple Music likes to replace 
your personal copy with the Apple Music high quality version, so if you ever 
stopped your Apple Music subscription, you would then lose access to all those 
songs.

Later…


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On Jun 23, 2020, at 8:45 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:



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Atlas or enviro

[Julie Rattray]

Dear list,

Has anyone used either the Atlas or enviro programmes for coding and analysing 
qualitative data - I want to see if either of them is accessible with VO and 
wondered if anyone had any advice or tips to share.

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Re: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

[Ronald van Rhijn]

Great news, but I wonder if the functionality of the recognition matches that 
of the VOCR app?


> Op 23 jun. 2020, om 04:20 heeft 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
>  het volgende geschreven:
> 
> Okay, fine. I’ll copy and paste from the accessibility section of the page I 
> linked to:
> 
> Accessibility
> 
> VoiceOver Recognition
> On-device intelligence recognizes key elements displayed on your screen to 
> add VoiceOver support for app and web experiences that don’t have 
> accessibility support built in.
> VoiceOver Recognition: Image descriptions
> VoiceOver reads complete-sentence descriptions of images and photos within 
> apps and on the web.
> VoiceOver Recognition: Text recognition
> VoiceOver speaks the text it identifies within images and photos.
> VoiceOver Recognition: Screen recognition
> VoiceOver automatically detects interface controls to aid in navigating your 
> apps, making them more accessible.
> Headphone Accommodations
> This new accessibility feature is designed to amplify soft sounds and adjust 
> certain frequencies for an individual’s hearing, to help music, movies, phone 
> calls, and podcasts sound more crisp and clear.10 
>  Headphone 
> Accommodations also supports Transparency mode on AirPods Pro, making quiet 
> voices more audible and tuning the sounds of your environment to your hearing 
> needs.
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>> On Jun 22, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Mary Otten > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Devon, quite honestly, if this isn’t coming from Apple, it’s not worth 
>> very much. So, before I go messing around with the recommended sites, is 
>> this from actual slides in the presentation? Or is this just wishful 
>> thinking from someone in which case, it’s not worth very much.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Jun 22, 2020, at 6:06 PM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> See this page: iOS features 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Legends on Twitter tell of enormous Investiture, like AutoMagic panning for 
>>> braille displays, and even more to come. Like Kelsier says, “There’s always 
>>> another secret.” Or something.
>>> Devin Prater
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>>> Https://devinprater.github.io 
>>> 
 On Jun 22, 2020, at 6:39 PM, Mary Otten >>> > wrote:
 
 In all the coverage of the online event today, I have seen absolutely 
 nothing about anything new for Accessibility, voiceover or otherwise. 
 That’s not unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they 
 don’t announce. I haven’t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the 
 tech articles I have read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted 
 person, and if anyone knows of anything publicly shown at the event 
 regarding voiceover accessibility. I can certainly think of some things. 
 Fix the focus bug and email would be my number one, and that’s not a new 
 problem.
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Microsoft Edge on Catalina

[Paul Hopewell]

Hello,
I am running the latest Catalina on my iMac and have been trying the Microsoft 
Edge web browser. It looks good so far. It is fast and I have not seen much 
busy.
IS there any way to transfer my bookmarks from Safari to Edge? Not being able 
to do this will inhibit my use of Edge! 
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Re: iOS 13 Continuous Read Borked—Is It Just Me?

[Jonathan Cohn]

Yes, look at your voiceover settings, I am fairly confident that I changed or 
reviewed something in my VoiceOver settings to play a tone for links. Of course 
if VO sounds and possibly if mute are turned on, the VO sounds won’t play.
Good Luck!
Jonathan


> On Jun 22, 2020, at 4:43 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
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> This might not help but check in the VoiceOver settings under Verbosity to 
> see if in bedded is set to Speak? That might have nothing to do with it but 
> might as well check.
> 
>> On 23/06/2020, at 00:28, 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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>> Hi crowd.
>> 
>> It's driving me bonkers. Whenever I do a read all in any web content, VO 
>> fails to announce links, even as it patiently points out headings, when I 
>> really need it to be the other way around, as it once used to be, not that 
>> long ago I am sure. I could reliably listen to articles; now I have to go 
>> back and review for links I may have missed.
>> 
>> Is it really just me, or is there something I failed to do since some iOS 13 
>> update or other borked it?
>> 
>> Your help appreciated. And yes I know I've been absent for a while; needless 
>> to say it's just time pressure, but I still receive list traffic.
>> 
>> Cheers,
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Re: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

[Jonathan Cohn]

Mary,
The VO command shift U will read you the URL of a link on MacOS even in Mail 
applications. I find this very useful!
Jonathan


> On Jun 23, 2020, at 12:50 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> OK, Devon, I’m sorry. I just went to your link. And I see that it is an Apple 
> site. That wasn’t clear to me from your first posting, which when I read it, 
> made me think it was coming from somebody on Twitter. Anyway, thanks for the 
> post.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jun 22, 2020, at 6:06 PM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> 
>> See this page: iOS features 
>> 
>> 
>> Legends on Twitter tell of enormous Investiture, like AutoMagic panning for 
>> braille displays, and even more to come. Like Kelsier says, “There’s always 
>> another secret.” Or something.
>> Devin Prater
>> d.pra...@me.com 
>> Https://devinprater.github.io 
>> 
>>> On Jun 22, 2020, at 6:39 PM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> In all the coverage of the online event today, I have seen absolutely 
>>> nothing about anything new for Accessibility, voiceover or otherwise. 
>>> That’s not unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they 
>>> don’t announce. I haven’t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the 
>>> tech articles I have read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted 
>>> person, and if anyone knows of anything publicly shown at the event 
>>> regarding voiceover accessibility. I can certainly think of some things. 
>>> Fix the focus bug and email would be my number one, and that’s not a new 
>>> problem.
>>> Mary
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Re: Microsoft Edge on Catalina

[Caitlyn Furness]

Is there no import function in the ms edge settings?

Cait


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> I am running the latest Catalina on my iMac and have been trying the 
> Microsoft Edge web browser. It looks good so far. It is fast and I have not 
> seen much busy.
> IS there any way to transfer my bookmarks from Safari to Edge? Not being able 
> to do this will inhibit my use of Edge! 
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Re: iOS 13 Continuous Read Borked—Is It Just Me?

['Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, great idea. Unfortunately the setting is already set to speak. Also 
it’s only happening during continuous read; normally it’s behaving exactly as 
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Re: iOS 13 Continuous Read Borked—Is It Just Me?

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Sorry, can’t say I’ve noticed. I’ll have to pay more attention next time I’m 
doing a read all on web content with imbedded links. 

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Re: WWDC Releases

[Petrus Tuerlings]

I think you will find that the car keys on the phone will work in conjunction 
with Face ID so I don’t think someone will be able to steal your phone and car. 
So it would probably be more secure then an actual key or keyless remote that 
someone could use if it fell out of ones pocket or lost ones handbag. 

> On 23/06/2020, at 20:57, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Ok so having just finished watching the keynote due to not wanting to get up 
> at 5am Nz time,
>  
> I’m rather inpressed with what they are saying is going to be coming out in 
> the new Os  versions,
>  
> I’m going to assume that like in IOS 13 that somethings wont be available 
> until time down the track,
> But ok fine, so long as they get it right this time and don’t have continuous 
> issues in production like they are still having in 13.
>  
> The one big concern I have going forward is only due to my mixed alegance,
> That being that I’m using both Mac OS and windows on my 2013 air via bootcamp,
>  
> And that is that with the new technology for the mac computer line,
> The use of the apple silicon architecture  
> Will I still be able to run windows via bootcamp or will I have to go to a VM 
> product like vm fusion which I have but prefer BC or parallels which I 
> believe is still not accessible to us and doesn’t like jaws if it’s installed 
> to a windows vm!
>  
> What I do see finally happening here with the new architecture is that mac os 
> and IOS / iPad os etc will in a few years be one and the same which they have 
> been working on for a long time now.
>  
> More seamless interaction between devices / platforms and a single app store 
> and app range for all devices.
>  
> I’m also interested to finally get to try a beta on my watch once watch os 14 
> public beta is made available next month,
> Now not something just for the developers out there.
>  
> I’m also now more interested in the airpods pro and having surround sound 
> type features fromm them while in use, that could be very cool for live music 
> situations if concerts are recorded in such formats as dolby atmos etc,
>  
> But the real funny one is you have if in the situation  your car keys on your 
> phone,
>  
> Your phone gets stolen,
> And now will your car also,
>  
> I’m glad I’m not a BMW fan,
>  
> Pall in all I think this sounds like a good release, and the presentation was 
> very well done under the circumstances  , I’m interested to hear / see what 
> other companys do now going forward when it comes to conferences and product 
> releases.
> Apple should be bloody proud of the keynote,
>  
>  
> Just my thoughts 
> SF
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Why the Mac's migration to Apple Silicon is bigger than ARM | Appleinsider

[Barry Hadder]

I thought some might find this to be an interesting read regarding Apple’s 
upcoming mac architecture.

> https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/06/23/why-the-macs-migration-to-apple-silicon-is-bigger-than-arm
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Re: Microsoft Edge on Catalina

[Mike Arrigo]

I'm surprised Microsoft developed Edge for the Mac. It uses the Chrome engine I 
think so it's probably similar to just using Chrome.

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> seen much busy.
> IS there any way to transfer my bookmarks from Safari to Edge? Not being able 
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Re: Parler Social in Safari accessibility

[Eric Oyen]

Well,
They need to have the audio alternative captcha available for a start. Then 
they need to setup the page similar to the look (although not the feel) of 
either Facebook or twitter (both of which I find rather easy to get around in 
these days).

Now, as for their app, it’s going to have to be massively corrected. All 
buttons properly labeled, all edit boxes fully accessible regardless of screen 
reader mode, an audio alternative captcha to also be made available, etc. Also, 
any and all other form controls, popup boxes, picker items, etc to be made 
fully accessible and fully tested.

Yes, I know, it’s a lot of work, but these guys need to know that we are a 
growing population class on the web and our voices carry weight now. You might 
want to inform them that the entirety of the disabled population inside the US 
represents slightly more than $185 Billion annually and that this figure is 
growing. The blind alone represent nearly 3/5ths of that figure (because of our 
influence with friends, families, associates and their friends). So, to that 
end, we, as a class, represent a non-trivial percentage of the overall 
population and also represent a very substantial spending base. Just on those 
points alone, there should be sufficient justification to fix the problems 
while they are still cheap to fix.

-Eric


> On Jun 22, 2020, at 3:51 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi Eric,
> 
> I asked sighted assistance to go past the captcha both in Safari and in 
> Parler iphone app.  There’ are huge accessibility issues with the mobile app 
> in that lots of buttons and tabs are not labelled.  In safari, I’ve managed 
> to find some people to follow and even send some posts but it’s very hit and 
> miss.  I do hope the developers are going to be receptive or else we will be 
> locked out of Parler altogether.
> 
> Andrew
>> On 22 Jun 2020, at 03:04, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>> I gave up on it because of the captcha. I have no visual help here. There 
>> have been numerous attempts by me to contact the company that created the 
>> Parler network, but all they have are online forms that also use a visual 
>> only captcha. Seriously, for a social network that wants everyone to join, 
>> they are doing a good job of locking out the blind.
>> 
>> Btw, I tried on chrome, safari, Firefox and even Microsoft edge on windows. 
>> No way around the captcha and the app isn’t helpful on the iPhone either as 
>> a captcha is required there too. g.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> 
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>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Does anyone use Parler Social on the mac via safari?  i’ve just signed up 
>>> to it but it’s really hard to use.  There was also a captcha without audio 
>>> alternative & I had to use sighted help to sign up.  Any experience or tip 
>>> would be helpful.
>>> 
>>> Thank you
>>> 
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The Mac startup chime is making a return in macOS Big Sur

[Brad Snyder]

The Mac startup chime is making a return in macOS Big Sur

Mike Peterson

Apple is officially bringing back the Mac startup chime with macOS Big Sur, 
four years after removing it in a previous version of the operating system.

The classic Mac sound was removed from Apple's lineup of computers with the 
introduction of the 2016 MacBook Pros with Touch Bar. Ever since then, macOS 
has been silent on startup. 

That changes in the first macOS Big Surbeta. AppleInsider confirmed the chime's 
reintroduction on a 2018 Mac mini and a 2016 15-inch MacBook Pro.

Based on social media posts from developers running the first beta, it looks 
like the startup chime is widely available on other models, too. It appears 
that users can toggle the sound on and off, since there's now a new "Play sound 
on startup" option in System Preferences.

Apple first teased the chime's return during its WWDC 2020 keynote. While it 
didn't actually confirm the fact, Apple's macOS Big Sur features page does 
state that "system sounds are all-new and even more pleasing to the ear," and 
were created using snippets of the originals.

During Monday's WWDC keynote, Apple VP of Human Interface Design Alan Dye said 
that the new sounds are "familiar to the Mac, but remastered and more refined."

Although a software update in 2016 removed the startup chime, a later update to 
macOS Catalina actually added them under-the-hood — though it required a 
Terminal command to actually enable them.

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RE: WWDC Releases

[Simon A Fogarty]

So hwo then do you explain being able to share your key with someone else

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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I think you will find that the car keys on the phone will work in conjunction 
with Face ID so I don’t think someone will be able to steal your phone and car. 
So it would probably be more secure then an actual key or keyless remote that 
someone could use if it fell out of ones pocket or lost ones handbag.


On 23/06/2020, at 20:57, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Ok so having just finished watching the keynote due to not wanting to get up at 
5am Nz time,

I’m rather inpressed with what they are saying is going to be coming out in the 
new Os  versions,

I’m going to assume that like in IOS 13 that somethings wont be available until 
time down the track,
But ok fine, so long as they get it right this time and don’t have continuous 
issues in production like they are still having in 13.

The one big concern I have going forward is only due to my mixed alegance,
That being that I’m using both Mac OS and windows on my 2013 air via bootcamp,

And that is that with the new technology for the mac computer line,
The use of the apple silicon architecture
Will I still be able to run windows via bootcamp or will I have to go to a VM 
product like vm fusion which I have but prefer BC or parallels which I believe 
is still not accessible to us and doesn’t like jaws if it’s installed to a 
windows vm!

What I do see finally happening here with the new architecture is that mac os 
and IOS / iPad os etc will in a few years be one and the same which they have 
been working on for a long time now.

More seamless interaction between devices / platforms and a single app store 
and app range for all devices.

I’m also interested to finally get to try a beta on my watch once watch os 14 
public beta is made available next month,
Now not something just for the developers out there.

I’m also now more interested in the airpods pro and having surround sound type 
features fromm them while in use, that could be very cool for live music 
situations if concerts are recorded in such formats as dolby atmos etc,

But the real funny one is you have if in the situation  your car keys on your 
phone,

Your phone gets stolen,
And now will your car also,

I’m glad I’m not a BMW fan,

Pall in all I think this sounds like a good release, and the presentation was 
very well done under the circumstances  , I’m interested to hear / see what 
other companys do now going forward when it comes to conferences and product 
releases.
Apple should be bloody proud of the keynote,


Just my thoughts
SF

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Re: WWDC Releases

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Same as how you use find your friend, you  need to enable permissions.  And the 
same as  My mate can share his house key with me on my phone if he wants but 
that doesn’t mean someone can steel his phone or my phone and get into his 
house.

> On 24/06/2020, at 14:12, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> So hwo then do you explain being able to share your key with someone else
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Wednesday, 24 June 2020 8:41 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: WWDC Releases
>  
> I think you will find that the car keys on the phone will work in conjunction 
> with Face ID so I don’t think someone will be able to steal your phone and 
> car. So it would probably be more secure then an actual key or keyless remote 
> that someone could use if it fell out of ones pocket or lost ones handbag. 
> 
> 
> On 23/06/2020, at 20:57, Simon A Fogarty  > wrote:
>  
> Ok so having just finished watching the keynote due to not wanting to get up 
> at 5am Nz time,
>  
> I’m rather inpressed with what they are saying is going to be coming out in 
> the new Os  versions,
>  
> I’m going to assume that like in IOS 13 that somethings wont be available 
> until time down the track,
> But ok fine, so long as they get it right this time and don’t have continuous 
> issues in production like they are still having in 13.
>  
> The one big concern I have going forward is only due to my mixed alegance,
> That being that I’m using both Mac OS and windows on my 2013 air via bootcamp,
>  
> And that is that with the new technology for the mac computer line,
> The use of the apple silicon architecture  
> Will I still be able to run windows via bootcamp or will I have to go to a VM 
> product like vm fusion which I have but prefer BC or parallels which I 
> believe is still not accessible to us and doesn’t like jaws if it’s installed 
> to a windows vm!
>  
> What I do see finally happening here with the new architecture is that mac os 
> and IOS / iPad os etc will in a few years be one and the same which they have 
> been working on for a long time now.
>  
> More seamless interaction between devices / platforms and a single app store 
> and app range for all devices.
>  
> I’m also interested to finally get to try a beta on my watch once watch os 14 
> public beta is made available next month,
> Now not something just for the developers out there.
>  
> I’m also now more interested in the airpods pro and having surround sound 
> type features fromm them while in use, that could be very cool for live music 
> situations if concerts are recorded in such formats as dolby atmos etc,
>  
> But the real funny one is you have if in the situation  your car keys on your 
> phone,
>  
> Your phone gets stolen,
> And now will your car also,
>  
> I’m glad I’m not a BMW fan,
>  
> Pall in all I think this sounds like a good release, and the presentation was 
> very well done under the circumstances  , I’m interested to hear / see what 
> other companys do now going forward when it comes to conferences and product 
> releases.
> Apple should be bloody proud of the keynote,
>  
>  
> Just my thoughts 
> SF
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Re: questions about using the Numbers app on iPhone

[Katie Zodrow]

Hi.
I just opened the Numbers app on my phone to see if I could rename a file. It 
showed me the most recent templates that I last 
> used. If I swipe down it has different options for renaming a template and 
> deleting one. I also found the share option if I want to save it to Dropbox. 
> So that answered my question.
I’ll try Numbers again this week and let you know if I have any other questions 
or need more help.
Thanks.
Katie

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> Hi Jonathan. Thanks for your reply. I wasn’t sure if anyone on the list saw 
> my message since I sent it earlier last week.
> That’s good you can save a Numbers file to Dropbox. How do you rename a 
> template file in Numbers? I couldn’t figure this out when I tried the app on 
> my phone back in April. Also how do you delete a Numbers template or 
> spreadsheet that you no longer need?
> Thanks.
> Katie
>> On Jun 21, 2020, at 4:31 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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>> These questions sound like they are all doable, but I have never used the 
>> IOS version of numbers. You should be able to save numbers into dropbox as 
>> long as you have the dropbox app, just click the share button.
>> 
>> If you want some help with this, I be willling to assist. 
>> 
>> Best Wishes,
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>>> On Jun 19, 2020, at 12:35 AM, Katie Zodrow  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, everyone.
>>> At the end of February, I upgraded from the iPhone 5S to an iPhone 11. I’ve 
>>> loved using it ever since, it works great!
>>> 
>>> I checked out the Numbers application on my iPhone a couple months ago for 
>>> the first time. It’s kind of similar to Excel and seems pretty straight 
>>> forward to use. I just have some questions about using the app with 
>>> Voiceover.
>>> 
>>> I will be using Numbers for my time sheet info at work. I was wondering if 
>>> there’s a way you can rename a template or save a template with a different 
>>> name each time in the app with Voiceover? I figured out how to edit 
>>> information and can type in the different cells fine after I double tap to 
>>> edit something. Is there an option for changing the name of a spread sheet? 
>>> Also, can you transfer Numbers files to Dropbox with an iPhone? I don’t 
>>> have Numbers on my Mac currently. My computer is too old to upgrade to Mac 
>>> OS Catalina. So I’ll have to use this app on my iPhone for now until I get 
>>> a new computer.
>>> Thanks for your help.
>>> Katie
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Re: The Mac startup chime is making a return in macOS Big Sur

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Brad,

Thanks for this info.  The Startup Chime is classic in my opinion and pretty 
well necessary for us blind users.  I did do the Terminal thing in Catalina on 
my 2017 MBP and it worked like a charm.  Putting it into System Prefs is just 
what the Doctor ordered.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 23, 2020, at 7:38 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:

The Mac startup chime is making a return in macOS Big Sur
Mike Peterson 

Apple is officially bringing back the Mac startup chime with macOS Big Sur, 
four years after removing it in a previous version of the operating system.

The classic Mac sound was removed from Apple's lineup of computers with the 
introduction of the 2016 MacBook Pros with Touch Bar 
. Ever since 
then, macOS  has been silent on startup. 

That changes in the first macOS Big Sur 
beta. AppleInsider confirmed the 
chime's reintroduction on a 2018 Mac mini 
 and a 2016 15-inch MacBook Pro 
.

Based on social media posts from developers running the first beta, it looks 
like the startup chime is widely available on other models, too. It appears 
that users can toggle the sound on and off, since there's now a new "Play sound 
on startup" option in System Preferences.

Apple first teased the chime's return during its WWDC 2020 keynote. While it 
didn't actually confirm the fact, Apple's macOS Big Sur features page does 
state that "system sounds are all-new and even more pleasing to the ear," and 
were created using snippets of the originals.

During Monday's WWDC keynote, Apple VP of Human Interface Design Alan Dye said 
that the new sounds are "familiar to the Mac, but remastered and more refined."

Although a software update in 2016 removed the startup chime, a later update to 
macOS Catalina actually added them under-the-hood — though it required a 
Terminal command 

 to actually enable them.

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Re: The Mac startup chime is making a return in macOS Big Sur

[Brad Snyder]

True.  The start-up chime is iconic.  I remember my old Apple IIc had its own 
chime sound.  I was totally dismayed when Apple did away with it on the 2016 
MBPs.
I too have restored the chime on my 2019 MBP 13 and my new mini.
Wish I could get it on my iPhone/iPad.  That would be awesome.

- Brad -


On Jun 23, 2020, at 23:29, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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Hi Brad,

Thanks for this info.  The Startup Chime is classic in my opinion and pretty 
well necessary for us blind users.  I did do the Terminal thing in Catalina on 
my 2017 MBP and it worked like a charm.  Putting it into System Prefs is just 
what the Doctor ordered.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 23, 2020, at 7:38 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

The Mac startup chime is making a return in macOS Big Sur
Mike Peterson 

Apple is officially bringing back the Mac startup chime with macOS Big Sur, 
four years after removing it in a previous version of the operating system.

The classic Mac sound was removed from Apple's lineup of computers with the 
introduction of the 2016 MacBook Pros with Touch Bar 
. Ever since 
then, macOS  has been silent on startup. 

That changes in the first macOS Big Sur 
beta. AppleInsider confirmed the 
chime's reintroduction on a 2018 Mac mini 
 and a 2016 15-inch MacBook Pro 
.

Based on social media posts from developers running the first beta, it looks 
like the startup chime is widely available on other models, too. It appears 
that users can toggle the sound on and off, since there's now a new "Play sound 
on startup" option in System Preferences.

Apple first teased the chime's return during its WWDC 2020 keynote. While it 
didn't actually confirm the fact, Apple's macOS Big Sur features page does 
state that "system sounds are all-new and even more pleasing to the ear," and 
were created using snippets of the originals.

During Monday's WWDC keynote, Apple VP of Human Interface Design Alan Dye said 
that the new sounds are "familiar to the Mac, but remastered and more refined."

Although a software update in 2016 removed the startup chime, a later update to 
macOS Catalina actually added them under-the-hood — though it required a 
Terminal command 

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Re: The Mac startup chime is making a return in macOS Big Sur

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi all,
Given how many wrote to Apple asking for its return, and I imagine those 
contacts came from a variety of sources, its nice discovering that you 
were heard.

Kare



On Tue, 23 Jun 2020, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi Brad,

Thanks for this info.  The Startup Chime is classic in my opinion and pretty 
well necessary for us blind users.  I did do the Terminal thing in Catalina on 
my 2017 MBP and it worked like a charm.  Putting it into System Prefs is just 
what the Doctor ordered.

Later???


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 23, 2020, at 7:38 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:

The Mac startup chime is making a return in macOS Big Sur
Mike Peterson 

Apple is officially bringing back the Mac startup chime with macOS Big Sur, 
four years after removing it in a previous version of the operating system.

The classic Mac sound was removed from Apple's lineup of computers with the introduction of 
the 2016 MacBook Pros with Touch Bar 
. Ever since then, 
macOS  has been silent on startup.

That changes in the first macOS Big Sur 
beta. AppleInsider confirmed the chime's 
reintroduction on a 2018 Mac mini  and a 2016 
15-inch MacBook Pro .

Based on social media posts from developers running the first beta, it looks like the 
startup chime is widely available on other models, too. It appears that users can toggle 
the sound on and off, since there's now a new "Play sound on startup" option in 
System Preferences.

Apple first teased the chime's return during its WWDC 2020 keynote. While it didn't 
actually confirm the fact, Apple's macOS Big Sur features page does state that 
"system sounds are all-new and even more pleasing to the ear," and were created 
using snippets of the originals.

During Monday's WWDC keynote, Apple VP of Human Interface Design Alan Dye said that the 
new sounds are "familiar to the Mac, but remastered and more refined."

Although a software update in 2016 removed the startup chime, a later update to macOS 
Catalina actually added them under-the-hood ??? though it required a Terminal command 

 to actually enable them.

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