Re: Editing Formulas in Excel for the Mac

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

No.  Simply arrow to the cell you wish to edit, press option-return and the 
cursor is placed at the end of the information within that cell.  If it was 
just data, you could arrow left/right to manipulate it, or press delete to 
remove portions of it.  If it is a formula, then use left/right arrows to move 
to specific locations within the formula to edit cell references etc.

HTH.

Later.,..


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 18, 2020, at 22:26, Dave Carlson  wrote:

Tim,
That does not work. Do I need to have any specific settings enabled to edit 
formulas?


Dave Carlson
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Re: Help with saving files in Pages

[Eric Caron]

Hi Brad,

Perfect,  That is exactly the information I needed to keep moving 
forward with Pages. 

Any tips on how to use the rename or move commands in the file menu are 
welcome.  They look like they could be useful if I could figure them out. 

Thanks again Brad for the info I needed to get work done!

Eric Caron 


> On Apr 18, 2020, at 10:52 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> In the File menu, if you hold down the OPTION key, the Duplicate command 
> changes to Save As.
> Or, just use the keyboard command CMD + OPT + SHIFT + S for Save As while 
> working in a document.
> 
> HTH
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 18, 2020, at 20:55, Eric Caron  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
>   I’m hoping a Pages user can walk me through the file menu of the Pages 
> app.
> 
> I need to understand how things work and I think my years as a Microsoft Word 
> user is getting in the way.
> 
> I’m looking for a easy way to save a document I’m working in and give it a 
> new name or save it to a different location.
> 
> When I press Save nothing seems to happen but I’m pretty sure it has saved my 
> recent changes.
> 
> If I press Duplicate it makes a copy but then I’m dumped back into my file 
> and have not been able to change the name or save it to a new place.
> If I press rename It seems to open and then I’m back in my file without being 
> able to give it a new name.
> 
> And pressing Move brings me a place where I can select some locations with a 
> button but not go more deeply into a folder to save the document.
> 
> I’m sure it is me just not understanding the work flow so I’d love some tips 
> on saving and naming files in Pages.
> 
> Appreciatively,
> 
> Eric Caron
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Re: Help with saving files in Pages

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I've never actually used those items myself as I usually do renaming and moving 
from within the Finder.  that being said, for the "Rename" option, after 
selecting Rename from the File menu, make your change then either go on to make 
any other modifications within the body of the document or just press cmd-s to 
save your changes.  The "Move To..." item works similarly to any other save 
dialog on your Mac.  Choose your location and then either press return or press 
the "Move To" button.  Some actions are different depending on whether you are 
in Icon, List, or Column view.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 19, 2020, at 09:07, Eric Caron  wrote:

Hi Brad,

Perfect,  That is exactly the information I needed to keep moving 
forward with Pages. 

Any tips on how to use the rename or move commands in the file menu are 
welcome.  They look like they could be useful if I could figure them out. 

Thanks again Brad for the info I needed to get work done!

Eric Caron 


> On Apr 18, 2020, at 10:52 PM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> In the File menu, if you hold down the OPTION key, the Duplicate command 
> changes to Save As.
> Or, just use the keyboard command CMD + OPT + SHIFT + S for Save As while 
> working in a document.
> 
> HTH
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 18, 2020, at 20:55, Eric Caron  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
>   I’m hoping a Pages user can walk me through the file menu of the Pages 
> app.
> 
> I need to understand how things work and I think my years as a Microsoft Word 
> user is getting in the way.
> 
> I’m looking for a easy way to save a document I’m working in and give it a 
> new name or save it to a different location.
> 
> When I press Save nothing seems to happen but I’m pretty sure it has saved my 
> recent changes.
> 
> If I press Duplicate it makes a copy but then I’m dumped back into my file 
> and have not been able to change the name or save it to a new place.
> If I press rename It seems to open and then I’m back in my file without being 
> able to give it a new name.
> 
> And pressing Move brings me a place where I can select some locations with a 
> button but not go more deeply into a folder to save the document.
> 
> I’m sure it is me just not understanding the work flow so I’d love some tips 
> on saving and naming files in Pages.
> 
> Appreciatively,
> 
> Eric Caron
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Re: Help with saving files in Pages

[Brad Snyder]

Hi Eric,

I’ve never used the Move To option, but it seems to be pretty much the same as 
the Save As dialog, so I'm not sure what the difference is, but I am guessing a 
copy/second document is not created.

When using the Rename option, focus is placed on the name in the title bar of 
the document, with the name highlighted.  You then simply type the new name for 
the document and press Enter to complete the name change.

HTH

- Brad -




On Apr 19, 2020, at 10:07, Eric Caron  wrote:

Hi Brad,

Perfect,  That is exactly the information I needed to keep moving 
forward with Pages. 

Any tips on how to use the rename or move commands in the file menu are 
welcome.  They look like they could be useful if I could figure them out. 

Thanks again Brad for the info I needed to get work done!

Eric Caron 


> On Apr 18, 2020, at 10:52 PM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> In the File menu, if you hold down the OPTION key, the Duplicate command 
> changes to Save As.
> Or, just use the keyboard command CMD + OPT + SHIFT + S for Save As while 
> working in a document.
> 
> HTH
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 18, 2020, at 20:55, Eric Caron  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
>   I’m hoping a Pages user can walk me through the file menu of the Pages 
> app.
> 
> I need to understand how things work and I think my years as a Microsoft Word 
> user is getting in the way.
> 
> I’m looking for a easy way to save a document I’m working in and give it a 
> new name or save it to a different location.
> 
> When I press Save nothing seems to happen but I’m pretty sure it has saved my 
> recent changes.
> 
> If I press Duplicate it makes a copy but then I’m dumped back into my file 
> and have not been able to change the name or save it to a new place.
> If I press rename It seems to open and then I’m back in my file without being 
> able to give it a new name.
> 
> And pressing Move brings me a place where I can select some locations with a 
> button but not go more deeply into a folder to save the document.
> 
> I’m sure it is me just not understanding the work flow so I’d love some tips 
> on saving and naming files in Pages.
> 
> Appreciatively,
> 
> Eric Caron
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Re: Editing Formulas in Excel for the Mac

[Dave Carlson]

Nope, Option + Return only moved the focus to the cell below. What did work was 
good old F2. It then positioned the cursor to the immediate right of the last 
character in the cell. but thanks for pushing me in that direction.


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Re: Editing Formulas in Excel for the Mac

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I guarantee that option-return works for this.  It has been a feature in 
Numbers forever.  I seem to recall that you're using a non-Apple keyboard.  Is 
it possible that you were not using the actual "Option" key to do the action?

Later...


Tim Kilburn
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Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 19, 2020, at 10:17, Dave Carlson  wrote:

Nope, Option + Return only moved the focus to the cell below. What did work was 
good old F2. It then positioned the cursor to the immediate right of the last 
character in the cell. but thanks for pushing me in that direction.


Dave Carlson
Musician, Engineer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer






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Re: Editing Formulas in Excel for the Mac

[Phil Halton]

Option return is the keystroke for numbers spreadsheets, but does it work in 
excel for Mac? That is what Dave is using isn’t it? By the way I’m a big 
numbers user and I might like to try XL on the Mac. How is it Accessibility 
wise and is it a lot like XL and windows? What do I have to do to get it? Is it 
a standalone or is it part of a subscription bundle?

Sent from my IPhone


> On Apr 19, 2020, at 1:51 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I guarantee that option-return works for this.  It has been a feature in 
> Numbers forever.  I seem to recall that you're using a non-Apple keyboard.  
> Is it possible that you were not using the actual "Option" key to do the 
> action?
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 19, 2020, at 10:17, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Nope, Option + Return only moved the focus to the cell below. What did work 
> was good old F2. It then positioned the cursor to the immediate right of the 
> last character in the cell. but thanks for pushing me in that direction.
> 
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Musician, Engineer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
> 
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Re: Help with saving files in Pages

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hello,
If you open system preferences to the General screen, you will find a checkbox 
called "Ask to keep changes when closing documents" if you check this box, your 
file dialog will be more like how it is on a windows computer.
In Macs by default, a lot of programs will automatically save your changes 
regularly, and when you close them. In these programs the duplicate will create 
a copy that will then prompt you when you close it as to where to save. If you 
save more often, then the Apple default, then you can review all your saves  in 
the "document Actions"  menu that is before the toolbar or in the file->revert 
to… menu. If you revert to a previous version, then the current will be saved 
so you could go back to that.
 . 
HTH!

Jonathan Cohn



> On Apr 18, 2020, at 10:52 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> In the File menu, if you hold down the OPTION key, the Duplicate command 
> changes to Save As.
> Or, just use the keyboard command CMD + OPT + SHIFT + S for Save As while 
> working in a document.
> 
> HTH
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 18, 2020, at 20:55, Eric Caron  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
>   I’m hoping a Pages user can walk me through the file menu of the Pages 
> app.
> 
> I need to understand how things work and I think my years as a Microsoft Word 
> user is getting in the way.
> 
> I’m looking for a easy way to save a document I’m working in and give it a 
> new name or save it to a different location.
> 
> When I press Save nothing seems to happen but I’m pretty sure it has saved my 
> recent changes.
> 
> If I press Duplicate it makes a copy but then I’m dumped back into my file 
> and have not been able to change the name or save it to a new place.
> If I press rename It seems to open and then I’m back in my file without being 
> able to give it a new name.
> 
> And pressing Move brings me a place where I can select some locations with a 
> button but not go more deeply into a folder to save the document.
> 
> I’m sure it is me just not understanding the work flow so I’d love some tips 
> on saving and naming files in Pages.
> 
> Appreciatively,
> 
> Eric Caron
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Re: Editing Formulas in Excel for the Mac

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Oops, sorry, I guess I didn't properly read the question.  I heard the part 
about being awesome at Excel on Windows, and wrongfully went to Numbers on the 
Mac.  What a dolt.  Sorry Dave.

Later...


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On Apr 19, 2020, at 12:41, Phil Halton  wrote:

Option return is the keystroke for numbers spreadsheets, but does it work in 
excel for Mac? That is what Dave is using isn’t it? By the way I’m a big 
numbers user and I might like to try XL on the Mac. How is it Accessibility 
wise and is it a lot like XL and windows? What do I have to do to get it? Is it 
a standalone or is it part of a subscription bundle?

Sent from my IPhone


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> I guarantee that option-return works for this.  It has been a feature in 
> Numbers forever.  I seem to recall that you're using a non-Apple keyboard.  
> Is it possible that you were not using the actual "Option" key to do the 
> action?
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> Later...
> 
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> On Apr 19, 2020, at 10:17, Dave Carlson  > wrote:
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> Nope, Option + Return only moved the focus to the cell below. What did work 
> was good old F2. It then positioned the cursor to the immediate right of the 
> last character in the cell. but thanks for pushing me in that direction.
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Mac for the Blind Online Courses

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Re: Zoom

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Fair enough, I just turn on Do not disturb at night with a couple of exceptions 
that will ignore the do not disturb in case of emergencies. And of corse the 
civil defence alarm will still sound as well if there is an emergency. 

> On 19/04/2020, at 11:33, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> 2 reasons. 
> 1. I think it's better of the device if it isn't on all the time.
> 2. I don't want to be disturbed. I know I could turn on airplane mode or 
> something like that but since I think it should be off sometimes I might as 
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>> On Apr 18, 2020, at 6:21 PM, Petrus Tuerlings > > wrote:
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>> I’m curious, why do you turn your phone off at night?
>> 
>>> On 19/04/2020, at 08:45, Lorie McCloud >> > wrote:
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>>> I turn my phone off at night. that seems to have something to do with it. I 
>>> guess I'm going to eventually create a pass code and touch ID for my phone.
>>> 
 On Apr 17, 2020, at 5:15 PM, M. Taylor >>> > wrote:
 
 Hello Lorie,
 
 Unless you manually sign out of the Zoom app, you should remain signed in.
 
 It might be a good idea for you to enable the Face ID / Touch ID toggle, 
 located in the Settings area of the app.  
 
 If you have not enabled either of these authentication features, on your 
 iOS device, before installing the app, then that could be the reason why 
 you are continually prompted to enter your Zoom login credentials.  
 
 Mark
 
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 Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 12:14 PM
 To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
 Subject: Zoom
 
 for about the past week if I'm using Zoom on my iPhone it wants me to sign 
 in every time. is there a box I can check somewhere that'll keep me signed 
 in? there are people who send me messages on there and you have to be 
 signed in for that.
 
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Re: Editing Formulas in Excel for the Mac

[Dave Carlson]

Tim, I was talking about Excel. Did I fail to mention that?


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Re: Editing Formulas in Excel for the Mac

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Dave,

no, you did fine.  It was my stupidity.

Have a good one..

Later...


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On Apr 19, 2020, at 18:25, Dave Carlson  wrote:

Tim, I was talking about Excel. Did I fail to mention that?


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