RE: Touch ID Issue

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Petrus,

On your phone have a look under settings and display / brightness I think it is,
Under there is an automatic lock,

Can you set that to none and see what happens?

I’m thinking if you can do it on your 8 then she will be able to step through 
this and do it on her phone.

Flick me off list if yo want to run through this for her.

Simon F

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Tuesday, 7 April 2020 9:01 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Touch ID Issue

Now this is another Touch ID question so I left the subject line the same.
I’m trying to help someone else on another blind iPhone users email list that 
I’m on. She is in her 80s and uses an iPhone mostly for playing games on. She 
has a lot of trouble using the virtual keyboard to enter her Apple ID password. 
She’s asking about Touch ID as it might make it easier for her. Can one stop 
the screen from locking automatically so she doesn’t need to use Touch ID to 
unlock her phone all the time but leave the Touch ID activated for her game 
purchases in the App Store? She lives on her own so doesn’t need to lock her 
phone as often. I think she will be able to cope with the six digit pass code 
if she does need to use it?


On 6/04/2020, at 20:29, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hey Dave,

Use the tip of your nose

If that gets cut or glue on it then yo’re really in trouble.



From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>On 
Behalf Of Dave Carlson
Sent: Monday, 6 April 2020 2:43 PM
To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Touch ID Issue

I have to make new fingerprints about once a month. Dry, wet, lightly sanded, 
full of glue, are all reasons for failure. And not to mention when I get a cut 
or nick in the shop.

Dave Carlson
Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian





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RE: Touch ID Issue

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Petrus,

Knowing who your talking of,
I think she would be able to figure it out,
She’s pretty on to itdefinately sharper than someone else we know of


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Tuesday, 7 April 2020 9:21 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Touch ID Issue

Thanks Tim,
I’ll wait till she replies as I already told her she will probably need sited 
help to set up her touch ID, but then she should be fine after that. Bit hard 
to get help at the moment with lockdown.


On 7/04/2020, at 09:12, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi Petrus,

Yes, for sure.  In Settings, Display & Brightness, you can set the Auto-Lock 
time to five minutes.  You can even set it to Never, but I would never 
recommend that to anyone.  For the other part of your question, yes, again.  Go 
into Settings, Touch ID & Pass-Code enter the pass-code, then un-tick the box 
for using Touch ID to unlock the iPhone.

Good luck and stay safe.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 6, 2020, at 15:01, Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Now this is another Touch ID question so I left the subject line the same.
I’m trying to help someone else on another blind iPhone users email list that 
I’m on. She is in her 80s and uses an iPhone mostly for playing games on. She 
has a lot of trouble using the virtual keyboard to enter her Apple ID password. 
She’s asking about Touch ID as it might make it easier for her. Can one stop 
the screen from locking automatically so she doesn’t need to use Touch ID to 
unlock her phone all the time but leave the Touch ID activated for her game 
purchases in the App Store? She lives on her own so doesn’t need to lock her 
phone as often. I think she will be able to cope with the six digit pass code 
if she does need to use it?


On 6/04/2020, at 20:29, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hey Dave,

Use the tip of your nose

If that gets cut or glue on it then yo’re really in trouble.



From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>On 
Behalf Of Dave Carlson
Sent: Monday, 6 April 2020 2:43 PM
To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Touch ID Issue

I have to make new fingerprints about once a month. Dry, wet, lightly sanded, 
full of glue, are all reasons for failure. And not to mention when I get a cut 
or nick in the shop.

Dave Carlson
Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian





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Re: Touch ID Issue

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
She almost likely need to enter her aple ID at times anyway.
Even though you’ve set toucID for the purchase on appStore.
Sadly.
/A

> 6 apr. 2020 kl. 23:01 skrev Petrus Tuerlings :
> 
> Now this is another Touch ID question so I left the subject line the same.
> I’m trying to help someone else on another blind iPhone users email list that 
> I’m on. She is in her 80s and uses an iPhone mostly for playing games on. She 
> has a lot of trouble using the virtual keyboard to enter her Apple ID 
> password. She’s asking about Touch ID as it might make it easier for her. Can 
> one stop the screen from locking automatically so she doesn’t need to use 
> Touch ID to unlock her phone all the time but leave the Touch ID activated 
> for her game purchases in the App Store? She lives on her own so doesn’t need 
> to lock her phone as often. I think she will be able to cope with the six 
> digit pass code if she does need to use it? 
> 
>> On 6/04/2020, at 20:29, Simon A Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Dave,
>>  
>> Use the tip of your nose
>>  
>> If that gets cut or glue on it then yo’re really in trouble.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  > >On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
>> Sent: Monday, 6 April 2020 2:43 PM
>> To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries > >
>> Subject: Re: Touch ID Issue
>>  
>> I have to make new fingerprints about once a month. Dry, wet, lightly 
>> sanded, full of glue, are all reasons for failure. And not to mention when I 
>> get a cut or nick in the shop.
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>> Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian
>>  
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Re: Touch ID Issue

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Sorry for my missunderstanding of the question.
/A

> 6 apr. 2020 kl. 23:12 skrev 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hi Petrus,
> 
> Yes, for sure.  In Settings, Display & Brightness, you can set the Auto-Lock 
> time to five minutes.  You can even set it to Never, but I would never 
> recommend that to anyone.  For the other part of your question, yes, again.  
> Go into Settings, Touch ID & Pass-Code enter the pass-code, then un-tick the 
> box for using Touch ID to unlock the iPhone.
> 
> Good luck and stay safe.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 6, 2020, at 15:01, Petrus Tuerlings  > wrote:
> 
> Now this is another Touch ID question so I left the subject line the same.
> I’m trying to help someone else on another blind iPhone users email list that 
> I’m on. She is in her 80s and uses an iPhone mostly for playing games on. She 
> has a lot of trouble using the virtual keyboard to enter her Apple ID 
> password. She’s asking about Touch ID as it might make it easier for her. Can 
> one stop the screen from locking automatically so she doesn’t need to use 
> Touch ID to unlock her phone all the time but leave the Touch ID activated 
> for her game purchases in the App Store? She lives on her own so doesn’t need 
> to lock her phone as often. I think she will be able to cope with the six 
> digit pass code if she does need to use it? 
> 
>> On 6/04/2020, at 20:29, Simon A Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Dave,
>>  
>> Use the tip of your nose
>>  
>> If that gets cut or glue on it then yo’re really in trouble.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  > >On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
>> Sent: Monday, 6 April 2020 2:43 PM
>> To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries > >
>> Subject: Re: Touch ID Issue
>>  
>> I have to make new fingerprints about once a month. Dry, wet, lightly 
>> sanded, full of glue, are all reasons for failure. And not to mention when I 
>> get a cut or nick in the shop.
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>> Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
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Re: Forwarding a Text Message on the Mac

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I wonder if you can do this.
I am now looking around in the message app and can’t find anything regarding 
forwarding.
Google might be of some help though.
/A

> 7 apr. 2020 kl. 08:14 skrev Dave Carlson :
> 
> Yes, if you mean the VO+Shift+M.
> 
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Apple watch and new Apple ID

[Timothy Emmons]

Good morning all. My wife and I have shared the same Apple ID for years for 
whatever reason. We're now using separate IDS. She's able to sign in on her 
phone fine. However, her watch gives a notification that in order to complete a 
purchase she needs to sign into my ID. Ihe's reset and re-pared the watch with 
the same results. We are using the family sharing. She has been added as a 
family member and I have allowed purchases and such to be shared between us. 
What's going on. Does she need to sign into my ID on her watch?she shouldn't 
but I wondered if I might be missing something. Any help here would be 
appreciated. Thanks guys.

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Upgrade to iPad OS 13.4 broke my Logiteh Slim Combo keyboard

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

This email is in part a question and in part a warning.

When I upgraded to iPad OS 13.4 last week, it broke my Logitech Slim Combo 
keyboard, rendering my iPad very unfriendly to use. I can no longer use the 
backspace key to delete an email message I am reading. The character/language 
and function keys no longer work in most contexts. I am no longer able to use 
either Enter or VO-Space to activate buttons. Same is true for activating links 
in Safari. The only way I can accomplish either of those tasks now is via touch 
on the iPad. Using FN plus arrow keys no longer works for navigation. So here’s 
the warning. If you use an iPad with a Logitech keyboard, I recommend not 
upgrading to 13.4.

And my question. A google search has shown that I’m not the only one 
experiencing this, so I am wondering if any other users of Logitech keyboards 
have found work-arounds?
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Re: Apple watch and new Apple ID

[Janet Ingber]

Good Morning Tim,

I had the exact same problem. Do you know about Apple’s free  Accessibility 
tech support?  I eventually called them and they walked me through the process. 
 Here’s their number:
(877( 204-3930

Hope this helps.

Janet

> On Apr 7, 2020, at 7:36 AM, Timothy Emmons  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Good morning all. My wife and I have shared the same Apple ID for years for 
> whatever reason. We're now using separate IDS. She's able to sign in on her 
> phone fine. However, her watch gives a notification that in order to complete 
> a purchase she needs to sign into my ID. Ihe's reset and re-pared the watch 
> with the same results. We are using the family sharing. She has been added as 
> a family member and I have allowed purchases and such to be shared between 
> us. What's going on. Does she need to sign into my ID on her watch?she 
> shouldn't but I wondered if I might be missing something. Any help here would 
> be appreciated. Thanks guys.
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how to recover Mail sent sound

[Paul Hopewell]

Hello, 
I am running the latest update to Catalina on my iMac. For some reason the 
swishing sound to indicate that an Email has been sent has disappeared. How can 
I get it back?
The basso sound to indicate that a new Email has arrived is still working fine.
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Using FaceTime to make phone calls with your iPhone in Hand-off

[Timothy Emmons]

Good morning y’all, I’m just loaded with questions today. I think we got the 
apple watch issue solved this morning but I appreciate the accessibility number 
I may need that later on. At any rate, I have another question. Since working 
at home I was thinking of using FaceTime and hand-off to make and receive phone 
calls while I’m working since I’m at the computer instead of juggling cell 
phone and mac back and forth. I went to do this this morning and dialed my 
voicemail fine, but I can’t seem to navigate to a keypad to enter the user id 
and pin to access my voicemail. I can place and receive calls great, but can’t 
seem to do the other. What am I missing. I used to play with this a long time 
ago and without practice I have totally forgot. Thanks guys for any help here, 
as always. You guys are an invaluable connection to have for sure. take care 
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Re: Upgrade to iPad OS 13.4 broke my Logiteh Slim Combo keyboard

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Donna,

It's not just the LogiTech keyboards.  My Smart Keyboard for my iPad Pro 
behaves similar to your explanation.  I will play some more to see if I can 
figure any workarounds out.  For now, I've just ignored it and used my other 
devices.  Hmmm, I'll have to confirm, but I believe that this is also happening 
with my Apple Magic Keyboard and my iPhone.   Again, I'll see what I can 
confirm.  Probably a note to Apple Accessibility is in the order since this 
seems to truly be an accessibility screw-up.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 7, 2020, at 06:43, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi all,

This email is in part a question and in part a warning.

When I upgraded to iPad OS 13.4 last week, it broke my Logitech Slim Combo 
keyboard, rendering my iPad very unfriendly to use. I can no longer use the 
backspace key to delete an email message I am reading. The character/language 
and function keys no longer work in most contexts. I am no longer able to use 
either Enter or VO-Space to activate buttons. Same is true for activating links 
in Safari. The only way I can accomplish either of those tasks now is via touch 
on the iPad. Using FN plus arrow keys no longer works for navigation. So here’s 
the warning. If you use an iPad with a Logitech keyboard, I recommend not 
upgrading to 13.4.

And my question. A google search has shown that I’m not the only one 
experiencing this, so I am wondering if any other users of Logitech keyboards 
have found work-arounds?
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPad

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Re: Using FaceTime to make phone calls with your iPhone in Hand-off

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

You'll need to do a virtual click, VO-shift-space, somewhere in the FaceTime 
window first.  After you do this, proper focus is brought to FaceTime and your 
number presses on the Mac keyboard should work.  If you still have problems, 
let me know and I'll do some actual testing to see if I'm remembering correctly.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 7, 2020, at 08:37, Timothy Emmons  wrote:

Good morning y’all, I’m just loaded with questions today. I think we got the 
apple watch issue solved this morning but I appreciate the accessibility number 
I may need that later on. At any rate, I have another question. Since working 
at home I was thinking of using FaceTime and hand-off to make and receive phone 
calls while I’m working since I’m at the computer instead of juggling cell 
phone and mac back and forth. I went to do this this morning and dialed my 
voicemail fine, but I can’t seem to navigate to a keypad to enter the user id 
and pin to access my voicemail. I can place and receive calls great, but can’t 
seem to do the other. What am I missing. I used to play with this a long time 
ago and without practice I have totally forgot. Thanks guys for any help here, 
as always. You guys are an invaluable connection to have for sure. take care 
and talk to you soon. 

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Re: Upgrade to iPad OS 13.4 broke my Logiteh Slim Combo keyboard

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi tim,

Wow, that's interesting. It said in the release notes that there was some 
change related to making the Magic keyboard compatible, so I figured the 
problem had something to do with that. At least if it's impacting other 
keyboards, we can hope that there might be a fix reasonably soon.

I sent feedback to Apple, but not directly to Apple Accessibility. I'll do that 
right now.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Apr 7, 2020, at 10:11 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> It's not just the LogiTech keyboards.  My Smart Keyboard for my iPad Pro 
> behaves similar to your explanation.  I will play some more to see if I can 
> figure any workarounds out.  For now, I've just ignored it and used my other 
> devices.  Hmmm, I'll have to confirm, but I believe that this is also 
> happening with my Apple Magic Keyboard and my iPhone.   Again, I'll see what 
> I can confirm.  Probably a note to Apple Accessibility is in the order since 
> this seems to truly be an accessibility screw-up.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 7, 2020, at 06:43, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> This email is in part a question and in part a warning.
> 
> When I upgraded to iPad OS 13.4 last week, it broke my Logitech Slim Combo 
> keyboard, rendering my iPad very unfriendly to use. I can no longer use the 
> backspace key to delete an email message I am reading. The character/language 
> and function keys no longer work in most contexts. I am no longer able to use 
> either Enter or VO-Space to activate buttons. Same is true for activating 
> links in Safari. The only way I can accomplish either of those tasks now is 
> via touch on the iPad. Using FN plus arrow keys no longer works for 
> navigation. So here’s the warning. If you use an iPad with a Logitech 
> keyboard, I recommend not upgrading to 13.4.
> 
> And my question. A google search has shown that I’m not the only one 
> experiencing this, so I am wondering if any other users of Logitech keyboards 
> have found work-arounds?
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Forwarding a Text Message on the Mac

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

It's particularly inconsistent, but doable in most cases.  Navigate to the 
message you wish to forward, then either VO-space, or VO-shift-space, on it 
before invoking the VO-shift-m to bring up the Contextual menu.  Usually, the 
Forward option will appear.  Notice I said "usually".  In some cases, no matter 
what I did, I couldn't get it to appear no matter which of numerous tricks I 
used including routing the mouse to the VO cursor with VO-cmd-f5.  Hopefully, 
the message you choose to forward is one that is more cooperative.

Good luck and stay safe.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 7, 2020, at 01:17, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
I wonder if you can do this.
I am now looking around in the message app and can’t find anything regarding 
forwarding.
Google might be of some help though.
/A

> 7 apr. 2020 kl. 08:14 skrev Dave Carlson  >:
> 
> Yes, if you mean the VO+Shift+M.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Musician, Engineer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
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Re: Upgrade to iPad OS 13.4 broke my Logiteh Slim Combo keyboard

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

The Magic keyboard seems to be fine.  Sorry for misleading you.  The Smart 
Keyboard on my iPad Pro though, the keyboard that does not require a Bluetooth 
connection as it connects via the magnetic strip, does exhibit the problem 
though.

I'll send to Apple Accessibility as well.  I'll also confirm the problem on 
another list.

Later...


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Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 7, 2020, at 09:15, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi tim,

Wow, that's interesting. It said in the release notes that there was some 
change related to making the Magic keyboard compatible, so I figured the 
problem had something to do with that. At least if it's impacting other 
keyboards, we can hope that there might be a fix reasonably soon.

I sent feedback to Apple, but not directly to Apple Accessibility. I'll do that 
right now.
Cheers,
Donna


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> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> It's not just the LogiTech keyboards.  My Smart Keyboard for my iPad Pro 
> behaves similar to your explanation.  I will play some more to see if I can 
> figure any workarounds out.  For now, I've just ignored it and used my other 
> devices.  Hmmm, I'll have to confirm, but I believe that this is also 
> happening with my Apple Magic Keyboard and my iPhone.   Again, I'll see what 
> I can confirm.  Probably a note to Apple Accessibility is in the order since 
> this seems to truly be an accessibility screw-up.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 7, 2020, at 06:43, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> This email is in part a question and in part a warning.
> 
> When I upgraded to iPad OS 13.4 last week, it broke my Logitech Slim Combo 
> keyboard, rendering my iPad very unfriendly to use. I can no longer use the 
> backspace key to delete an email message I am reading. The character/language 
> and function keys no longer work in most contexts. I am no longer able to use 
> either Enter or VO-Space to activate buttons. Same is true for activating 
> links in Safari. The only way I can accomplish either of those tasks now is 
> via touch on the iPad. Using FN plus arrow keys no longer works for 
> navigation. So here’s the warning. If you use an iPad with a Logitech 
> keyboard, I recommend not upgrading to 13.4.
> 
> And my question. A google search has shown that I’m not the only one 
> experiencing this, so I am wondering if any other users of Logitech keyboards 
> have found work-arounds?
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: how to recover Mail sent sound

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Is the box checked that says something to the effect of "Play Sounds for Other 
Mail Actions"?  If yes, uncheck it, then close Mail Prefs, open them again and 
re-check it to see if it takes.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 7, 2020, at 07:33, Paul Hopewell  wrote:

Hello, 
I am running the latest update to Catalina on my iMac. For some reason the 
swishing sound to indicate that an Email has been sent has disappeared. How can 
I get it back?
The basso sound to indicate that a new Email has arrived is still working fine.
Best wishes … Paul Hopewell

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Re: Upgrade to iPad OS 13.4 broke my Logiteh Slim Combo keyboard

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I have a similar issue with my Satechi bluetooth keyboard.
But on that i can use the arrow keys to click on items.
/A

> 7 apr. 2020 kl. 17:11 skrev 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> It's not just the LogiTech keyboards.  My Smart Keyboard for my iPad Pro 
> behaves similar to your explanation.  I will play some more to see if I can 
> figure any workarounds out.  For now, I've just ignored it and used my other 
> devices.  Hmmm, I'll have to confirm, but I believe that this is also 
> happening with my Apple Magic Keyboard and my iPhone.   Again, I'll see what 
> I can confirm.  Probably a note to Apple Accessibility is in the order since 
> this seems to truly be an accessibility screw-up.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 7, 2020, at 06:43, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> This email is in part a question and in part a warning.
> 
> When I upgraded to iPad OS 13.4 last week, it broke my Logitech Slim Combo 
> keyboard, rendering my iPad very unfriendly to use. I can no longer use the 
> backspace key to delete an email message I am reading. The character/language 
> and function keys no longer work in most contexts. I am no longer able to use 
> either Enter or VO-Space to activate buttons. Same is true for activating 
> links in Safari. The only way I can accomplish either of those tasks now is 
> via touch on the iPad. Using FN plus arrow keys no longer works for 
> navigation. So here’s the warning. If you use an iPad with a Logitech 
> keyboard, I recommend not upgrading to 13.4.
> 
> And my question. A google search has shown that I’m not the only one 
> experiencing this, so I am wondering if any other users of Logitech keyboards 
> have found work-arounds?
> Cheers,
> Donna
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> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Upgrade to iPad OS 13.4 broke my Logiteh Slim Combo keyboard

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hmm. So maybe the issue isn't related to the magnetic strip.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Apr 7, 2020, at 11:02 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I have a similar issue with my Satechi bluetooth keyboard.
> But on that i can use the arrow keys to click on items.
> /A
> 
>> 7 apr. 2020 kl. 17:11 skrev 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> It's not just the LogiTech keyboards.  My Smart Keyboard for my iPad Pro 
>> behaves similar to your explanation.  I will play some more to see if I can 
>> figure any workarounds out.  For now, I've just ignored it and used my other 
>> devices.  Hmmm, I'll have to confirm, but I believe that this is also 
>> happening with my Apple Magic Keyboard and my iPhone.   Again, I'll see what 
>> I can confirm.  Probably a note to Apple Accessibility is in the order since 
>> this seems to truly be an accessibility screw-up.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Apr 7, 2020, at 06:43, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> This email is in part a question and in part a warning.
>> 
>> When I upgraded to iPad OS 13.4 last week, it broke my Logitech Slim Combo 
>> keyboard, rendering my iPad very unfriendly to use. I can no longer use the 
>> backspace key to delete an email message I am reading. The 
>> character/language and function keys no longer work in most contexts. I am 
>> no longer able to use either Enter or VO-Space to activate buttons. Same is 
>> true for activating links in Safari. The only way I can accomplish either of 
>> those tasks now is via touch on the iPad. Using FN plus arrow keys no longer 
>> works for navigation. So here’s the warning. If you use an iPad with a 
>> Logitech keyboard, I recommend not upgrading to 13.4.
>> 
>> And my question. A google search has shown that I’m not the only one 
>> experiencing this, so I am wondering if any other users of Logitech 
>> keyboards have found work-arounds?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Upgrade to iPad OS 13.4 broke my Logiteh Slim Combo keyboard

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

That's interesting, because the Slim Combo also connects via a magnetic strip.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Apr 7, 2020, at 10:48 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> Hi,
> 
> The Magic keyboard seems to be fine.  Sorry for misleading you.  The Smart 
> Keyboard on my iPad Pro though, the keyboard that does not require a 
> Bluetooth connection as it connects via the magnetic strip, does exhibit the 
> problem though.
> 
> I'll send to Apple Accessibility as well.  I'll also confirm the problem on 
> another list.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 7, 2020, at 09:15, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi tim,
> 
> Wow, that's interesting. It said in the release notes that there was some 
> change related to making the Magic keyboard compatible, so I figured the 
> problem had something to do with that. At least if it's impacting other 
> keyboards, we can hope that there might be a fix reasonably soon.
> 
> I sent feedback to Apple, but not directly to Apple Accessibility. I'll do 
> that right now.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Apr 7, 2020, at 10:11 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> It's not just the LogiTech keyboards.  My Smart Keyboard for my iPad Pro 
>> behaves similar to your explanation.  I will play some more to see if I can 
>> figure any workarounds out.  For now, I've just ignored it and used my other 
>> devices.  Hmmm, I'll have to confirm, but I believe that this is also 
>> happening with my Apple Magic Keyboard and my iPhone.   Again, I'll see what 
>> I can confirm.  Probably a note to Apple Accessibility is in the order since 
>> this seems to truly be an accessibility screw-up.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Apr 7, 2020, at 06:43, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> This email is in part a question and in part a warning.
>> 
>> When I upgraded to iPad OS 13.4 last week, it broke my Logitech Slim Combo 
>> keyboard, rendering my iPad very unfriendly to use. I can no longer use the 
>> backspace key to delete an email message I am reading. The 
>> character/language and function keys no longer work in most contexts. I am 
>> no longer able to use either Enter or VO-Space to activate buttons. Same is 
>> true for activating links in Safari. The only way I can accomplish either of 
>> those tasks now is via touch on the iPad. Using FN plus arrow keys no longer 
>> works for navigation. So here’s the warning. If you use an iPad with a 
>> Logitech keyboard, I recommend not upgrading to 13.4.
>> 
>> And my question. A google search has shown that I’m not the only one 
>> experiencing this, so I am wondering if any other users of Logitech 
>> keyboards have found work-arounds?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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Apple TV 4k

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   Latest tvOS and macOS. Watching movies and TV shows in the Computers 
app do not update the play count even though this option is checked in 
System prefs, Sharing category. Viewing history is also checked in the 
TV app on the Mac.


   When I choose the Unwatched list on the ATV, shows and movies I have 
already watched are still there. Is there another setting somewhere I 
need to look for?


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Re: Upgrade to iPad OS 13.4 broke my Logiteh Slim Combo keyboard

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Not sure.
I have another issue going on with accessibility team so i mail soon.
/A

> 7 apr. 2020 kl. 18:30 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hmm. So maybe the issue isn't related to the magnetic strip.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Apr 7, 2020, at 11:02 AM, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> I have a similar issue with my Satechi bluetooth keyboard.
>> But on that i can use the arrow keys to click on items.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 7 apr. 2020 kl. 17:11 skrev 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> 
>>> It's not just the LogiTech keyboards.  My Smart Keyboard for my iPad Pro 
>>> behaves similar to your explanation.  I will play some more to see if I can 
>>> figure any workarounds out.  For now, I've just ignored it and used my 
>>> other devices.  Hmmm, I'll have to confirm, but I believe that this is also 
>>> happening with my Apple Magic Keyboard and my iPhone.   Again, I'll see 
>>> what I can confirm.  Probably a note to Apple Accessibility is in the order 
>>> since this seems to truly be an accessibility screw-up.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Apr 7, 2020, at 06:43, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> This email is in part a question and in part a warning.
>>> 
>>> When I upgraded to iPad OS 13.4 last week, it broke my Logitech Slim Combo 
>>> keyboard, rendering my iPad very unfriendly to use. I can no longer use the 
>>> backspace key to delete an email message I am reading. The 
>>> character/language and function keys no longer work in most contexts. I am 
>>> no longer able to use either Enter or VO-Space to activate buttons. Same is 
>>> true for activating links in Safari. The only way I can accomplish either 
>>> of those tasks now is via touch on the iPad. Using FN plus arrow keys no 
>>> longer works for navigation. So here’s the warning. If you use an iPad with 
>>> a Logitech keyboard, I recommend not upgrading to 13.4.
>>> 
>>> And my question. A google search has shown that I’m not the only one 
>>> experiencing this, so I am wondering if any other users of Logitech 
>>> keyboards have found work-arounds?
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
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Using a bluetooth speaker with VO?

[Matt Turner]

Hi folks.
I’m using the latest version of iOS 13.4.
Instead of VoiceOver coming thru the phone, it now is coming thru the bluetooth 
speaker.
I’ve tried changing the audio destination, but it just defaults to the 
bluetooth speaker.
Anyone have any idea how to fix this? 

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Pleasantly surprised with Microsoft Applications.

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Hi All.

Today I have downloaded Microsoft on the Mac and I am surprised how easy it is 
to use although I haven’t tried Microsoft word yet.  I downloaded the 
applications because I am getting the Elbraille shortly as I was not happy with 
windows on my Mac machine but it doesn’t mean I won’t use it though if I need 
to.  But I wanted to put my files on One Drive so it didn’t matter if I was 
using I cloud or One drive depending what system I was using.  I have played 
with Microsoft outlook on the Mac and it’s not bad.  However, I still love my 
Apple mail, nothing can beat that.  I can’t see my Macvisionary or other 
folders if I use Outlook as it won’t sync those folders as I have individual 
folders for all my separate mail lists that I subscribe to.  When I tried 
Microsoft on the Mac before may be in 2015,  it was horrible.  I also tried 
moving ICloud files using my I phone but it didn’t work so I had to download 
the Microsoft applications for the Mac.  I found windows on this 2015 Mac very 
sluggish.  If I ever find a job, the first thing I get is a brand new I Mac.  
I’m waiting for the epidemic to be over so we can all apply for jobs or get 
back to work depending on what all our circumstances are.  I do hope you are 
all well and safe at this time.

Kawal.

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Re: Using a bluetooth speaker with VO?

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Okay, Check in your Voiceover settings under audio and see if “send to HDMI” is 
on or off, I have mine set too off. You just need to restart your phone if you 
change this setting. Hopefully this will work.

> On 8/04/2020, at 08:15, Matt Turner  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks.
> I’m using the latest version of iOS 13.4.
> Instead of VoiceOver coming thru the phone, it now is coming thru the 
> bluetooth speaker.
> I’ve tried changing the audio destination, but it just defaults to the 
> bluetooth speaker.
> Anyone have any idea how to fix this? 
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Re: Forwarding a Text Message on the Mac

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Hi All.

Was there not a theory some years ago that you could not forward text messages 
unless they were I messages on the Mac?  I haven’t tried in a long time but I 
thought it didn’t work.  Handy Tim for your tip with text messages.

Kawal

> On 7 Apr 2020, at 16:18, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> It's particularly inconsistent, but doable in most cases.  Navigate to the 
> message you wish to forward, then either VO-space, or VO-shift-space, on it 
> before invoking the VO-shift-m to bring up the Contextual menu.  Usually, the 
> Forward option will appear.  Notice I said "usually".  In some cases, no 
> matter what I did, I couldn't get it to appear no matter which of numerous 
> tricks I used including routing the mouse to the VO cursor with VO-cmd-f5.  
> Hopefully, the message you choose to forward is one that is more cooperative.
> 
> Good luck and stay safe.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
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> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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> 
> On Apr 7, 2020, at 01:17, Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I wonder if you can do this.
> I am now looking around in the message app and can’t find anything regarding 
> forwarding.
> Google might be of some help though.
> /A
> 
>> 7 apr. 2020 kl. 08:14 skrev Dave Carlson > >:
>> 
>> Yes, if you mean the VO+Shift+M.
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>> Musician, Engineer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Microsoft word on the Mac.

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Just had a play with Microsoft word on the Mac and that is better also.  So if 
anyone wants a go then do it.  I wonder why Apple don’t slag off Microsoft 
anymore, I remember that they always did at their events.

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Mac asking for my password when it's supposed to be asleep

[Lorie McCloud]

this often happens several hours after I have put my Mac to sleep. I'll be in 
another room and I'll hear it say: "enter password." what would make that 
happen? it might have something to do with updates. I can never find anything 
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Re: Mac asking for my password when it's supposed to be asleep

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Have you got a cat?

> On 8/04/2020, at 09:38, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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Re: Forwarding a Text Message on the Mac

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Kawal,
That may be relevant, but I know at least one of the messages was an iMessage 
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Re: Mac asking for my password when it's supposed to be asleep

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I think you have it set to wake from external bluetooth devices.


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Installing Zoom on the Mac

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Hi all,
We are going to try and install The Zoom App on my wife’s Mac and I know with 
Catalina one needs to verify an app or something like that once it is installed 
as part of the security. How does one do this again. I’m not Overly worried 
about VoiceOver accessibility as my wife doesn’t use it. However we might turn 
on VoiceOver while we are installing it and setting it up so I can help her.
Thanks in advance,
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Re: Installing Zoom on the Mac

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Petrus, Go to system preferences/security. Look for an area for downloading 
apps and select App store and trusted providers. Then you can allow 
installation from a trusted internet site. And Zoom is pretty darn VO-friendly, 
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Re: Forwarding a Text Message on the Mac

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   Did you not find what you need in the message content area?

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Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 4/7/2020 4:07 PM, Dave Carlson wrote:

Kawal,
That may be relevant, but I know at least one of the messages was an 
iMessage and not SMS. Still a mystery.



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Re: Forwarding a Text Message on the Mac

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E.T. — no. The only context that comes up is “Clear chat transcript”.

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Re: Forwarding a Text Message on the Mac

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi Dave,
Yeah! A bit strange! :(
I managed to get the  forward option to come up 1 time out of around 7 and no 
joy after clicking on it! LOL
I was testing this on a mac book air and running Mojave.
Easy work around is to copy the text and then send it on.
Talk soon
Chuck
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Re: Mac asking for my password when it's supposed to be asleep

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where would I change that? I wonder if it's responding to somebody nextdoor in 
this apartment complex. I do have a bluetooth trackpad right beside it but I'm 
not anywhere near it when it does this.

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Re: Mac asking for my password when it's supposed to be asleep

[Lorie McCloud]

hahaha! no. sadly no animals in here.

> On Apr 7, 2020, at 5:13 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
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> Have you got a cat?
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>> On 8/04/2020, at 09:38, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
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>> this often happens several hours after I have put my Mac to sleep. I'll be 
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Re: Installing Zoom on the Mac

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Hi Dave,
Thanks for that, we went to system press and found security and checked that. 
But  we wasn’t sure what to install, but we do have Zoom on her phone and it 
looks like we might be able to use Zoom on the web-site. 

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Re: Installing Zoom on the Mac

[PRAMIT BHARGAVA]

Hi Petrus,

If you're not the meeting organizer and will simply be part of any Zoom
meeting, then you can simply copy paste the meeting link in your browser
and join the meeting, without installing the Zoom application on your Mac.

Pramit


On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 6:16 AM Petrus Tuerlings 
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> Hi Dave,
> Thanks for that, we went to system press and found security and checked
> that. But  we wasn’t sure what to install, but we do have Zoom on her phone
> and it looks like we might be able to use Zoom on the web-site.
>
> On 8/04/2020, at 11:32, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> Petrus, Go to system preferences/security. Look for an area for
> downloading apps and select App store and trusted providers. Then you can
> allow installation from a trusted internet site. And Zoom is pretty darn
> VO-friendly, too.
>
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Re: Installing Zoom on the Mac

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Hi Pramit,
Thank you very much. We’ve been invited to a meeting so we might just do it 
that way.

> On 8/04/2020, at 13:39, PRAMIT BHARGAVA  wrote:
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> Hi Petrus,
> 
> If you're not the meeting organizer and will simply be part of any Zoom 
> meeting, then you can simply copy paste the meeting link in your browser and 
> join the meeting, without installing the Zoom application on your Mac.
> 
> Pramit
> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 6:16 AM Petrus Tuerlings  > wrote:
> Hi Dave,
> Thanks for that, we went to system press and found security and checked that. 
> But  we wasn’t sure what to install, but we do have Zoom on her phone and it 
> looks like we might be able to use Zoom on the web-site. 
> 
>> On 8/04/2020, at 11:32, Dave Carlson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Petrus, Go to system preferences/security. Look for an area for downloading 
>> apps and select App store and trusted providers. Then you can allow 
>> installation from a trusted internet site. And Zoom is pretty darn 
>> VO-friendly, too.
>> 
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
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Re: Mac asking for my password when it's supposed to be asleep

[Dave Carlson]

Go to the extras menu, arrow to bluetooth. VO+space to open menu. VO arrow down 
to Open bluetooth preferences. There in System preferences, click on the 
advanced button. Arrow to a checkbox talking about allowing bluetooth devices 
to wake your computer.


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Re: Installing Zoom on the Mac

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Petrus,
If you put zoom.com  in the Safari search field, you will 
ring up the page. Find a link for downloading the app for a Mac, and proceed 
from there.


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Re: Mac asking for my password when it's supposed to be asleep

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Lorie,
Another place where an external signal can wake your Mac is in System 
Preferences/Energy Saver. There you tell whether Wi-Fi network can wake your 
computer while connected to power or on battery. See if unchecking this makes a 
difference.


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Re: Ggames on the mac

['Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries]

Hey Jessica. I can answer both of your questions. First for the Playroom web 
client, pressing F1 should give you the shortcut keys you can use in every game 
most of the time. As for your question re RS Games, it seems like volume 
controls are broken. Pressing F5 or F6 will turn on or turn off sounds. Don't 
forget that this is a beta. They might fix it in the future. We just don't know 
when.

Regards,
Shawn,
Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air

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> On Apr 5, 2020, at 4:41 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> I finally got the RSGames client to run on my Mac, and the volume for 
> everything is extremely loud.  Is there a way to fix this?
> 
>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 4:07 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Another good client I would recommend is RS Games. They just released a new 
>> version of the client that works with Catalina. It's a beta supposedly but 
>> it still works. To download it, go to rsgames.org  and 
>> go to the downloads section. You'll want to select the 64 bit option in 
>> order for it to work with Catalina. HTH.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Shawn,
>> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
>> 
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>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>> 
>>> On Apr 4, 2020, at 7:56 PM, Shirley Healy >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks! I appreciate you telling me about this site.
>>> shirley
 - Original Message - 
 From: 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
 
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2020 1:50 AM
 Subject: Re: Ggames on the mac
 
 Okay, it looks like you’ll be wanting this site:
 
 http://qcsalon.net 
 
> On Apr 4, 2020, at 7:48 PM, Shirley Healy  > wrote:
> 
> audio games would be good. and online ones preferably.
> also dice games, slots, etc.
> shirley
>> - Original Message - 
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>> Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2020 1:12 AM
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>> 
>> What kind of games do you like to play? There are a few options, not as 
>> many on Windows, but there are some. Do you like text or audio games? Do 
>> you like single or multiple players? Online or offline? Fantasy or 
>> Sci-Fi?
>> 
>>> On Apr 4, 2020, at 3:22 PM, Shirley Healy >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Can anyone give me some good recommendations for accessible games on 
>>> the mac with vo? I would love to try out a few.
>>> thanks
>>> shirley
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Re: Ggames on the mac

[Gerry Cook]

Hi i’ve installed the rs games beta maybe i should get rid of it? and wait and 
just another thing i had the playroom ware client and it wouldn’t let,  me in 
trying to use the password i had created,  and couldn’t send the email just 
some thoughts from gerry. 

> On 8 Apr 2020, at 4:32 pm, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hey Jessica. I can answer both of your questions. First for the Playroom web 
> client, pressing F1 should give you the shortcut keys you can use in every 
> game most of the time. As for your question re RS Games, it seems like volume 
> controls are broken. Pressing F5 or F6 will turn on or turn off sounds. Don't 
> forget that this is a beta. They might fix it in the future. We just don't 
> know when.
> 
> Regards,
> Shawn,
> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
> 
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> Matters or my new group, Mac Users And Newbies? Send me a private email with 
> your contact information and I'll happily add you.
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> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
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> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
> 
>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 4:41 PM, Jessica Moss > > wrote:
>> 
>> I finally got the RSGames client to run on my Mac, and the volume for 
>> everything is extremely loud.  Is there a way to fix this?
>> 
>>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 4:07 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Another good client I would recommend is RS Games. They just released a new 
>>> version of the client that works with Catalina. It's a beta supposedly but 
>>> it still works. To download it, go to rsgames.org  and 
>>> go to the downloads section. You'll want to select the 64 bit option in 
>>> order for it to work with Catalina. HTH.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Shawn,
>>> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
>>> 
>>> Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility 
>>> Matters or my new group, Mac Users And Newbies? Send me a private email 
>>> with your contact information and I'll happily add you.
>>> 
>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>>> 
 On Apr 4, 2020, at 7:56 PM, Shirley Healy >>> > wrote:
 
 Thanks! I appreciate you telling me about this site.
 shirley
> - Original Message - 
> From: 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
> 
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
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> Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2020 1:50 AM
> Subject: Re: Ggames on the mac
> 
> Okay, it looks like you’ll be wanting this site:
> 
> http://qcsalon.net 
> 
>> On Apr 4, 2020, at 7:48 PM, Shirley Healy > > wrote:
>> 
>> audio games would be good. and online ones preferably.
>> also dice games, slots, etc.
>> shirley
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
>>> 
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> 
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2020 1:12 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Ggames on the mac
>>> 
>>> What kind of games do you like to play? There are a few options, not as 
>>> many on Windows, but there are some. Do you like text or audio games? 
>>> Do you like single or multiple players? Online or offline? Fantasy or 
>>> Sci-Fi?
>>> 
 On Apr 4, 2020, at 3:22 PM, Shirley Healy >>> > wrote:
 
 Can anyone give me some good recommendations for accessible games on 
 the mac with vo? I would love to try out a few.
 thanks
 shirley
 
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RE: Upgrade to iPad OS 13.4 broke my Logiteh Slim Combo keyboard

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Tim,

I’ve just this passed Monday received a new keyboard for my iPad mini 5
The keyboard is a Brydge 7.9 Bluetooth device and so far seems to be working 
fine,
I’ll have to try these things and see if it’s effected.

I did notice that I don’t get the status bar if I do vo m

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Wednesday, 8 April 2020 3:11 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Upgrade to iPad OS 13.4 broke my Logiteh Slim Combo keyboard

Hi Donna,

It's not just the LogiTech keyboards.  My Smart Keyboard for my iPad Pro 
behaves similar to your explanation.  I will play some more to see if I can 
figure any workarounds out.  For now, I've just ignored it and used my other 
devices.  Hmmm, I'll have to confirm, but I believe that this is also happening 
with my Apple Magic Keyboard and my iPhone.   Again, I'll see what I can 
confirm.  Probably a note to Apple Accessibility is in the order since this 
seems to truly be an accessibility screw-up.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 7, 2020, at 06:43, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi all,

This email is in part a question and in part a warning.

When I upgraded to iPad OS 13.4 last week, it broke my Logitech Slim Combo 
keyboard, rendering my iPad very unfriendly to use. I can no longer use the 
backspace key to delete an email message I am reading. The character/language 
and function keys no longer work in most contexts. I am no longer able to use 
either Enter or VO-Space to activate buttons. Same is true for activating links 
in Safari. The only way I can accomplish either of those tasks now is via touch 
on the iPad. Using FN plus arrow keys no longer works for navigation. So here’s 
the warning. If you use an iPad with a Logitech keyboard, I recommend not 
upgrading to 13.4.

And my question. A google search has shown that I’m not the only one 
experiencing this, so I am wondering if any other users of Logitech keyboards 
have found work-arounds?
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPad

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RE: Upgrade to iPad OS 13.4 broke my Logiteh Slim Combo keyboard

[Simon A Fogarty]

Possibly the new magic keyboard not the old / current magic keyboard.

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Wednesday, 8 April 2020 3:15 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Upgrade to iPad OS 13.4 broke my Logiteh Slim Combo keyboard

Hi tim,

Wow, that's interesting. It said in the release notes that there was some 
change related to making the Magic keyboard compatible, so I figured the 
problem had something to do with that. At least if it's impacting other 
keyboards, we can hope that there might be a fix reasonably soon.

I sent feedback to Apple, but not directly to Apple Accessibility. I'll do that 
right now.
Cheers,
Donna



On Apr 7, 2020, at 10:11 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi Donna,

It's not just the LogiTech keyboards.  My Smart Keyboard for my iPad Pro 
behaves similar to your explanation.  I will play some more to see if I can 
figure any workarounds out.  For now, I've just ignored it and used my other 
devices.  Hmmm, I'll have to confirm, but I believe that this is also happening 
with my Apple Magic Keyboard and my iPhone.   Again, I'll see what I can 
confirm.  Probably a note to Apple Accessibility is in the order since this 
seems to truly be an accessibility screw-up.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 7, 2020, at 06:43, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi all,

This email is in part a question and in part a warning.

When I upgraded to iPad OS 13.4 last week, it broke my Logitech Slim Combo 
keyboard, rendering my iPad very unfriendly to use. I can no longer use the 
backspace key to delete an email message I am reading. The character/language 
and function keys no longer work in most contexts. I am no longer able to use 
either Enter or VO-Space to activate buttons. Same is true for activating links 
in Safari. The only way I can accomplish either of those tasks now is via touch 
on the iPad. Using FN plus arrow keys no longer works for navigation. So here’s 
the warning. If you use an iPad with a Logitech keyboard, I recommend not 
upgrading to 13.4.

And my question. A google search has shown that I’m not the only one 
experiencing this, so I am wondering if any other users of Logitech keyboards 
have found work-arounds?
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPad

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RE: Installing Zoom on the Mac

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Petrus,

You / your wife should be able to see an item pop up in the top right corner of 
the screen I think it says allow.

Or under system preferences,
Security / privacy
Under the general tab
Unlock it and click allow.

I’m guessing I’m late in the reply but it should come back to you quickly when 
you try it.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Wednesday, 8 April 2020 11:20 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Installing Zoom on the Mac

Hi all,
We are going to try and install The Zoom App on my wife’s Mac and I know with 
Catalina one needs to verify an app or something like that once it is installed 
as part of the security. How does one do this again. I’m not Overly worried 
about VoiceOver accessibility as my wife doesn’t use it. However we might turn 
on VoiceOver while we are installing it and setting it up so I can help her.
Thanks in advance,
Petrus
Sent from Petrus' MacBook

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Re: Using a bluetooth speaker with VO?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Itrestingly i have the opposit situation.
I can’t change mine to bluetooth speaker instead.
I guess a mail to the accessibility team might be worth a try.
/A

> 7 apr. 2020 kl. 22:15 skrev Matt Turner :
> 
> Hi folks.
> I’m using the latest version of iOS 13.4.
> Instead of VoiceOver coming thru the phone, it now is coming thru the 
> bluetooth speaker.
> I’ve tried changing the audio destination, but it just defaults to the 
> bluetooth speaker.
> Anyone have any idea how to fix this? 
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