RE: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Petrus,

Yes the SE is able to run 13.x

I’m using one here for a work phone.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Monday, 23 March 2020 7:57 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

That depends on what 5 it is? If it is just a 5 than I think the latest OS is 
IOS 10 and the 5s is up to IOS 12. I think the SE can still be updated too 13. 
I actually find the standard voices better then the enhanced voices on all of 
the IOS versions and I think I entered the iPhone family with IOS 7.
But like ET said, it might be time to upgrade your phone, but this isn’t always 
affordable for some people.


On 22/03/2020, at 18:47, Karen Lewellen 
mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:

and a side siri one as well?
Will ask the siri one first..can it be removed once installed?
The voiceover voice  question has to do with sound quality.
I finally found a discussion thread about this with others noting the same 
thing.  Daniel who I believe is the UK English voice  changed in its enhanced 
form a while back.  I do not know if it has been  improved, or better still  
when was the last  upgrade to  the Daniel voice?
I have an iPhone in the 5 family.  it is possiblethat  upgrading IOS 
itself, or the voice, if I can, will improve things.
for now though  the quality  clarity and pronunciation is rather dreadful.
I did not want siri, but apple accessibility, who was talking with the person  
helping me use the phone suggested the download because voiceover  itself was 
not working well according to them.
Siri, which was male in this case, sounded worse than the Daniel voice itself.
I believe? Nuance makes the apple voices.  Is there any way to reach them 
directly?
last of all, I understand there are other  options for voices,  with my 
wondering about direct contacts too, as I will have to walk someone else 
through  reaching them.
My situation is that since most software generated speech is in a frequency 
range that stimulates my brain's dizzy centres, experimenting can make me 
rather sick.  That is what happened when trying to resolve the Daniel / male 
siri  situation.
meaning I really want to plan ahead before testing anything further.
ideas?
Karen


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RE: PowerBeats.

[Simon A Fogarty]

I have a feeling that the wire has a small controller on it as well.

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Sent: Monday, 23 March 2020 10:57 AM
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Subject: Re: PowerBeats.

Hi!
Yes.
>From what i understand they have a wire you put around your neck.
/A

> 21 mars 2020 kl. 05:59 skrev Simon A Fogarty :
> 
> That's the new ones with the wire between the 2 ear pods?
> 
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> Sent: Saturday, 21 March 2020 1:27 AM
> To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: PowerBeats.
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> Hi!
> So i’ve just ordered the new PowerBeats from Apple.
> I think i will get them on Tuesday but we’ll see.
> /A
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RE: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

[Simon A Fogarty]

That probably counts as a 5s 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
Sent: Monday, 23 March 2020 11:35 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

its an iphone 5c.



On Sun, 22 Mar 2020, Robin wrote:

> Just Wonderin':
> Which iteration of Apple's iPhone? (if known) At 02:36 PM 3/22/2020, 
> you wrote:
>> This phone came to me as a freebie from someone in my office who  new 
>> I needed  a test device before investing in anything.
>> I have no idea which ios  is running.  still, some information must 
>> exist indicating the last time the enhanced voices were changed.
>> I can certainly upgrade the IOS, apple support gave no indication 
>> that this phone was not supported any longer.
>> Still, rather than doing more randomness leading nowhere, I wanted a 
>> direction   for further testing  in mind.
>> Siri is going though if it can be removed.
>> Kare
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, 23 Mar 2020, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
>> 
>> > That depends on what 5 it is? If it is just a 5 than I think the 
>> > latest OS is IOS 10 and the 5s is up to IOS 12. I think the SE can 
>> > still be updated too 13. I actually find the standard voices better 
>> > then the enhanced voices on all of the IOS versions and I think I 
>> > entered the iPhone family with IOS 7.
>> > But like ET said, it might be time to upgrade your phone, but this 
>> > isn’t always affordable for some people.
>> > 
>> > > On 22/03/2020, at 18:47, Karen Lewellen 
>> > > 
>> > > wrote:
>> > > 
>> > > and a side siri one as well?
>> > > Will ask the siri one first..can it be removed once installed?
>> > > The voiceover voice  question has to do with sound quality.
>> > > I finally found a discussion thread about this with others noting 
>> > > the same thing.  Daniel who I believe is the UK English voice  
>> > > changed in its enhanced form a while back.  I do not know if it 
>> > > has been improved, or better still  when was the last  upgrade to  
>> > > the Daniel voice?
>> > > I have an iPhone in the 5 family.  it is possiblethat  upgrading 
>> > > IOS itself, or the voice, if I can, will improve things.
>> > > for now though  the quality  clarity and pronunciation is rather 
>> > > dreadful.
>> > > I did not want siri, but apple accessibility, who was talking 
>> > > with the person  helping me use the phone suggested the download 
>> > > because voiceover  itself was not working well according to them.
>> > > Siri, which was male in this case, sounded worse than the Daniel 
>> > > voice itself.
>> > > I believe? Nuance makes the apple voices.  Is there any way to 
>> > > reach them directly?
>> > > last of all, I understand there are other  options for voices,  
>> > > with my wondering about direct contacts too, as I will have to 
>> > > walk someone else through  reaching them.
>> > > My situation is that since most software generated speech is in a 
>> > > frequency range that stimulates my brain's dizzy centres, 
>> > > experimenting can make me rather sick.  That is what happened 
>> > > when trying to resolve the Daniel / male siri  situation.
>> > > meaning I really want to plan ahead before testing anything further.
>> > > ideas?
>> > > Karen
>> > > 
>> > 
>> > Sent from Petrus' MacBook
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RE: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

[Simon A Fogarty]

They do have a headphone jack of sorts.

You get a set of headphones that have the lightening connector on it rather 
than the 3.5 mil jack.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
Sent: Monday, 23 March 2020 11:42 AM
To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

according to whom?
I could not use a 7 it has no standard headphone jack.
As expressed if the phone was end of life,  you could not buy them new, and 
apple  would have said as much...and they did not.



On Sun, 22 Mar 2020, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:

>   With iOS 14 due this fall, iPhone 7 and newer will be supported. The 5 has 
> long ago reached its end of life. So you can scratch that. Another factor to 
> consider (I tale it the headphone idea is dead?) is the quality of newer 
> iPhones having better speakers. Again, if you can't get your mitts on a newer 
> phone for trial, you are spinning your wheels. Besides, whether a voice has 
> been upgraded is moot since your 5 cannot be updated anyway.
>
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
>
> On 3/22/2020 2:36 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>>  This phone came to me as a freebie from someone in my office who  new I
>>  needed  a test device before investing in anything.
>>  I have no idea which ios  is running.  still, some information must
>>  exist indicating the last time the enhanced voices were changed.
>>  I can certainly upgrade the IOS, apple support gave no indication that
>>  this phone was not supported any longer.
>>  Still, rather than doing more randomness leading nowhere, I wanted a
>>  direction   for further testing  in mind.
>>  Siri is going though if it can be removed.
>>  Kare
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Mon, 23 Mar 2020, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
>> 
>> >  That depends on what 5 it is? If it is just a 5 than I think the latest 
>> >  OS is IOS 10 and the 5s is up to IOS 12. I think the SE can still be 
>> >  updated too 13. I actually find the standard voices better then the 
>> >  enhanced voices on all of the IOS versions and I think I entered the 
>> >  iPhone family with IOS 7.
>> >  But like ET said, it might be time to upgrade your phone, but this 
>> >  isn’t always affordable for some people.
>> > 
>> > >  On 22/03/2020, at 18:47, Karen Lewellen  
>> > >  wrote:
>> > > 
>> > >  and a side siri one as well?
>> > >  Will ask the siri one first..can it be removed once installed?
>> > >  The voiceover voice  question has to do with sound quality.
>> > >  I finally found a discussion thread about this with others noting the 
>> > >  same thing.  Daniel who I believe is the UK English voice  changed 
>> > >  in its enhanced form a while back.  I do not know if it has been 
>> > >  improved, or better still  when was the last  upgrade to  the 
>> > >  Daniel voice?
>> > >  I have an iPhone in the 5 family.  it is possible    that  
>> > >  upgrading IOS itself, or the voice, if I can, will improve things.
>> > >  for now though  the quality  clarity and pronunciation is rather 
>> > >  dreadful.
>> > >  I did not want siri, but apple accessibility, who was talking with the 
>> > >  person  helping me use the phone suggested the download because 
>> > >  voiceover  itself was not working well according to them.
>> > >  Siri, which was male in this case, sounded worse than the Daniel voice 
>> > >  itself.
>> > >  I believe? Nuance makes the apple voices.  Is there any way to reach 
>> > >  them directly?
>> > >  last of all, I understand there are other  options for voices,  with 
>> > >  my wondering about direct contacts too, as I will have to walk someone 
>> > >  else through  reaching them.
>> > >  My situation is that since most software generated speech is in a 
>> > >  frequency range that stimulates my brain's dizzy centres, 
>> > >  experimenting can make me rather sick.  That is what happened when 
>> > >  trying to resolve the Daniel / male siri  situation.
>> > >  meaning I really want to plan ahead before testing anything further.
>> > >  ideas?
>> > >  Karen
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > 
>> >  Sent from Petrus' MacBook
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RE: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

[Simon A Fogarty]

You could look under setting, general , about this phone and see wht model it 
is and check that in google.com



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
Sent: Monday, 23 March 2020 11:57 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

I will confirm the model via my apple id, then wait until   the CNIB 
individual  is here again, since the last voice left is  unsafe for my use.
I know about the adapters, but  as established, until I know the device 
is   safe for use voice wise, accessories are the least of my focus.



On Mon, 23 Mar 2020, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:

> I think it might be a 5c as I vaguely remember you telling us when you first 
> got the phone. Not sure if you can delete voices and even if you could I 
> don’t think I could test it as the steps might be different on IOS 10 then 
> they are on 13.
> As far as the lack of a  headphone jack goes on the new phones,, you do get 
> an adaptor so you can still plug your old headphones into it through the 
> charging port.
>
>> On 23/03/2020, at 11:44, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>
>> That is one reason why I want to dump  stuff. Alex, which apparently  works 
>> on this  phone takes allot of space.
>> I want to test voices with some knowledge, I start getting nauseous when 
>> voices  are  not correct.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 22 Mar 2020, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>>
>>> Hi!
>>> The 5 series can’t be updated any more.
>>> But i don’t know if they update the voices sometimes.
>>> Have you tried other voices such as the american voice Tom or other voices?
>>> /A
>>>
 22 mars 2020 kl. 06:47 skrev Karen Lewellen :

 and a side siri one as well?
 Will ask the siri one first..can it be removed once installed?
 The voiceover voice  question has to do with sound quality.
 I finally found a discussion thread about this with others noting the same 
 thing.  Daniel who I believe is the UK English voice  changed in its 
 enhanced form a while back.  I do not know if it has been  improved, or 
 better still  when was the last  upgrade to  the Daniel voice?
 I have an iPhone in the 5 family.  it is possiblethat  upgrading IOS 
 itself, or the voice, if I can, will improve things.
 for now though  the quality  clarity and pronunciation is rather dreadful.
 I did not want siri, but apple accessibility, who was talking with the 
 person  helping me use the phone suggested the download because voiceover  
 itself was not working well according to them.
 Siri, which was male in this case, sounded worse than the Daniel voice 
 itself.
 I believe? Nuance makes the apple voices.  Is there any way to reach them 
 directly?
 last of all, I understand there are other  options for voices,  with my 
 wondering about direct contacts too, as I will have to walk someone else 
 through  reaching them.
 My situation is that since most software generated speech is in a 
 frequency range that stimulates my brain's dizzy centres, experimenting 
 can make me rather sick.  That is what happened when trying to resolve the 
 Daniel / male siri  situation.
 meaning I really want to plan ahead before testing anything further.
 ideas?
 Karen


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RE: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Petrus,

I’ve looked at androids and I’ve only found a couple of voices for them,

Might be that we don’t get the same range  down here but I thought they were 
more limited.

You ready for lock down?

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Monday, 23 March 2020 12:21 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

Well some of the people on this list might want to Lynch me if I suggest this, 
but have you looked at Android phones as well? They might have some voices that 
might be easier on the ear. I haven’t got one myself but I think there are more 
voices available for them.


On 23/03/2020, at 11:57, Karen Lewellen 
mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:

I will confirm the model via my apple id, then wait until   the CNIB individual 
 is here again, since the last voice left is  unsafe for my use.
I know about the adapters, but  as established, until I know the device is   
safe for use voice wise, accessories are the least of my focus.



On Mon, 23 Mar 2020, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:


I think it might be a 5c as I vaguely remember you telling us when you first 
got the phone. Not sure if you can delete voices and even if you could I don’t 
think I could test it as the steps might be different on IOS 10 then they are 
on 13.
As far as the lack of a  headphone jack goes on the new phones,, you do get an 
adaptor so you can still plug your old headphones into it through the charging 
port.


On 23/03/2020, at 11:44, Karen Lewellen 
mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:

That is one reason why I want to dump  stuff. Alex, which apparently  works on 
this  phone takes allot of space.
I want to test voices with some knowledge, I start getting nauseous when voices 
 are  not correct.



On Sun, 22 Mar 2020, Anders Holmberg wrote:


Hi!
The 5 series can’t be updated any more.
But i don’t know if they update the voices sometimes.
Have you tried other voices such as the american voice Tom or other voices?
/A


22 mars 2020 kl. 06:47 skrev Karen Lewellen 
mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>>:

and a side siri one as well?
Will ask the siri one first..can it be removed once installed?
The voiceover voice  question has to do with sound quality.
I finally found a discussion thread about this with others noting the same 
thing.  Daniel who I believe is the UK English voice  changed in its enhanced 
form a while back.  I do not know if it has been  improved, or better still  
when was the last  upgrade to  the Daniel voice?
I have an iPhone in the 5 family.  it is possiblethat  upgrading IOS 
itself, or the voice, if I can, will improve things.
for now though  the quality  clarity and pronunciation is rather dreadful.
I did not want siri, but apple accessibility, who was talking with the person  
helping me use the phone suggested the download because voiceover  itself was 
not working well according to them.
Siri, which was male in this case, sounded worse than the Daniel voice itself.
I believe? Nuance makes the apple voices.  Is there any way to reach them 
directly?
last of all, I understand there are other  options for voices,  with my 
wondering about direct contacts too, as I will have to walk someone else 
through  reaching them.
My situation is that since most software generated speech is in a frequency 
range that stimulates my brain's dizzy centres, experimenting can make me 
rather sick.  That is what happened when trying to resolve the Daniel / male 
siri  situation.
meaning I really want to plan ahead before testing anything further.
ideas?
Karen


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RE: The Google News for iOS App, Give It a Try

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Mark,

Just to add to this for Petrus,

Yeah we get kind of somewhat over looked here in Nz,

Small nation that keeps our heads down and not worth apple looking at,
4.5 million people and no apple stores other than 3rd party retailers who have 
no real knowledge of their products.

It will be interesting to see what google news has to offer.

And if petrus hasn't already said or you haven't already seen it on the news 
sites,

We have 48 hours before new Zealand is in a government enstated lock down due 
to carona virus.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Monday, 23 March 2020 2:26 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: The Google News for iOS App, Give It a Try

Hello Petrus,

Wow!  I had no idea that Apple News was not available in New Zealand.  

Well, I am certainly enjoying the Google News app a great deal more than the 
Apple News app.  I don’t know why, exactly, but, for whatever reason, I really 
like it (smile).

Mark

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 5:14 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Google News for iOS App, Give It a Try

Hi Mark,
Well a few of us here in NZ have been using the Google News App on our iPhone 
for quite a while now as we don’t get the Apple News App in New Zealand. I’ve 
never understood why Apple has left us out of the News.


On 23/03/2020, at 13:07, M. Taylor  wrote:

Hello All,

Although I enjoy the free version of the Apple News app on iOS, after posting 
an article on how to stay up-to-date with the Corona virus outbreak issue, I 
explored using the Google alerts service, that was mentioned in the article.  

Well, as it turned out, the Google alerts work via email and, as you can 
imagine, the last thing I want is even more emails cluttering up my email 
Inbox.  

So, I began to wonder if there was such a thing as a Google alerts app.  As far 
as I know, there is not but there is, I discovered, a Google News app for iOS.  

I installed it and I must say that I like it a great deal.  It seems to be more 
customizable than the native Apple News app.  

So, if you have not yet done so, download the Google News app and give it a try.

Mark

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RE: Remoting into another Mac?

[Simon A Fogarty]

I've never used team viewer between mac machines but I can't see why it 
wouldn't work.
You could also try zoom or even vnc or log me in rescue 
Each one wthough will have it's moments as they are designed for sighted folks.

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Hi folks.
I’d like to help someone with there Mac.
I’ve heard of using TeamV vewer , and wondered if anyone had any ideas on the 
VoiceOver side of things?

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RE: Remoting into another Mac?

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

Ssh definitely works - command line only, of course.

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Hi folks.
I’d like to help someone with there Mac.
I’ve heard of using TeamV vewer , and wondered if anyone had any ideas on the 
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Re: Remoting into another Mac?

[Brad Snyder]

I have used Team Viewer while working with Aira.  From what I have experienced, 
it is accessible using VoiceOver on my Macs.

- Brad -


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Re: PowerBeats.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
>From what i understand its on the right earpeice.
Not sure as i haven’t got them yet.
/A

> 23 mars 2020 kl. 09:15 skrev Simon A Fogarty :
> 
> I have a feeling that the wire has a small controller on it as well.
> 
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> Sent: Monday, 23 March 2020 10:57 AM
> To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> Hi!
> Yes.
> From what i understand they have a wire you put around your neck.
> /A
> 
>> 21 mars 2020 kl. 05:59 skrev Simon A Fogarty :
>> 
>> That's the new ones with the wire between the 2 ear pods?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
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>> Sent: Saturday, 21 March 2020 1:27 AM
>> To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>> 
>> Hi!
>> So i’ve just ordered the new PowerBeats from Apple.
>> I think i will get them on Tuesday but we’ll see.
>> /A
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Re: Hard Drive Buffering

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

To access your Library, you'll need to add your computer to the Apple TV so 
that it is available to it.  I am able to access my Library on my MacPro as 
well as the Cloud content using the Siri remote.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
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Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 22, 2020, at 22:03, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

  Using the old remote the last couple nights were fine. Tonight I played with 
the rotor and tried to access my library. No go, not even with the old remote. 
Not nice. (grins)

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 3/19/2020 7:05 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> Hi,
> I also found it easier to use the remote when the rotor is set to "Follow 
> Focus".  Seems more logical.  There are a few times when trying to read 
> specific items that I needed to change the rotor to Characters or Words, but 
> Follow Focus worked best for me.
> Later...
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
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> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> On Mar 19, 2020, at 01:15, Simon A Fogarty    >> wrote:
> Hi ET,
> Crazy suggestion but try your threes remote,
> I know my old remote worked on my atv 4,
> So you might have luck with the old one,
> And yeah I know what you mean it takes some getting use to with the flick and 
> swipe
> -Original Message-
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>  >>
> Sent: Thursday, 19 March 2020 5:01 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
>  >
> Subject: Re: Hard Drive Buffering
>Ues still using the 3rd. I just got a 4k but find I need to get used to 
> the touch panel on the Siri remote. And the layout too is different.
> I should set some time aside to work this out.
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com  
> >
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> On 3/18/2020 8:31 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> On an internal network, this really shouldn't be an issue.  Are you
>> still using an Apple TV 3?  If so, that might be part of the issue.
>> My son still uses an Apple TV 3 as well and finds that his media loads
>> rather slowly compared to my Apple TV 4 HD.  It may have to do with
>> processing speed within the devices.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
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>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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>> 
>> On Mar 18, 2020, at 09:24, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>> > >
>> > >> wrote:
>> 
>>   My iTunes library is on an external drive. Suppose that instead of
>> the wi-fi, it is the drive? Is there a way to test this out and see?
>> If I can get my hands on an extender I could see if that helps or not,
>> but have not found one yet.
>> 
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>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were
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Re: Mail in Catalina

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I have not noticed this at all.  Moving messages behaves just the same as it 
has in previous iterations and is not slow at all.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
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On Mar 22, 2020, at 13:03, Eric Caron  wrote:

Hi listers,

One thing I have noticed after updating to Catalina is that moving 
messages to a mail box is slow with mail stating busy and then after a pause 
finally opening up the context menu and eventually the list to move to a 
mailbox. 

Does this improve with time?  It has been about a week.  

Have others noticed this behavior?

I do have a lot of accounts and a lot of mailboxes where I organize 
information.  I expect I have a lot more mail than the average user.

Eric Caron

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Re: Catalina: How Would I Put Audio Books on my iPHone?

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I use AudioBook Builder.  Perfectly accessible.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
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On Mar 22, 2020, at 18:11, Dave Carlson  wrote:

Anders,
This is Dave. I use Audio Book Binder. Works very well.


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Re: Catalina: How Would I Put Audio Books on my iPHone?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

Just curious, why do you use an app like Audio Book Builder or binder, rather 
than just pulling the book into an app like Voice Dream Reader? Just wondering 
what the benefits are.
Cheers,
Donna


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> Hi,
> 
> I use AudioBook Builder.  Perfectly accessible.
> 
> Later...
> 
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> Jamf Certified Tech
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> 
> On Mar 22, 2020, at 18:11, Dave Carlson  > wrote:
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> Anders,
> This is Dave. I use Audio Book Binder. Works very well.
> 
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> Dave Carlson
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Re: Mail in Catalina

[Eric Caron]

Hi Tim,

I had the slow move happen once before after upgrading and after a 
period of time it seemed to improve. 

This time I finally noticed that the response time in mail was improved to 
almost normal if I didn’t have a lot of mail windows open.

Somehow while I work in mail I end up with many open windows.  I have to 
remember now and then to look at the window chooser and it may say 12 windows 
are open or even more then 20.  Once I close them all the app is more 
responsive.

I’m not sure how I end up opening so many windows in mail.  I am just opening 
messages or reading things or sending things and suddenly if I check the window 
chooser I have all kinds of  mail windows open.

Any idea why that happens? 

But, in the meantime closing them all fixes the sluggish response.

Your response stating you have not seen this caused me to keep experimenting 
until I found a solution.

I didn’t notice this in my  last OS but still had the many open windows issue. 

My computer is a 2018 Mac book pro with 16 gigs ram so that should  be able to 
handle moving a message to a mail box.

Eric Caron 


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> I have not noticed this at all.  Moving messages behaves just the same as it 
> has in previous iterations and is not slow at all.
> 
> Later...
> 
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> Jamf Certified Tech
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> On Mar 22, 2020, at 13:03, Eric Caron  > wrote:
> 
> Hi listers,
> 
>   One thing I have noticed after updating to Catalina is that moving 
> messages to a mail box is slow with mail stating busy and then after a pause 
> finally opening up the context menu and eventually the list to move to a 
> mailbox. 
> 
>   Does this improve with time?  It has been about a week.  
> 
> Have others noticed this behavior?
> 
>   I do have a lot of accounts and a lot of mailboxes where I organize 
> information.  I expect I have a lot more mail than the average user.
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Re: Mail in Catalina

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Eric,

Yes, that machine should handle things just fine.  What process do you use when 
opening mail messages?  Do you have multiple mail accounts that you're 
accessing or just one with many messages?  Myself, I do have five main mail 
accounts that I'm accessing at any given time.  I use the return key to open 
the message, then cmd-w to close the message if I don't have to act on it 
immediately.  cmd-r to reply then cmd-shift-d to send.

HTH.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 23, 2020, at 11:04, Eric Caron  wrote:

Hi Tim,

I had the slow move happen once before after upgrading and after a 
period of time it seemed to improve. 

This time I finally noticed that the response time in mail was improved to 
almost normal if I didn’t have a lot of mail windows open.

Somehow while I work in mail I end up with many open windows.  I have to 
remember now and then to look at the window chooser and it may say 12 windows 
are open or even more then 20.  Once I close them all the app is more 
responsive.

I’m not sure how I end up opening so many windows in mail.  I am just opening 
messages or reading things or sending things and suddenly if I check the window 
chooser I have all kinds of  mail windows open.

Any idea why that happens? 

But, in the meantime closing them all fixes the sluggish response.

Your response stating you have not seen this caused me to keep experimenting 
until I found a solution.

I didn’t notice this in my  last OS but still had the many open windows issue. 

My computer is a 2018 Mac book pro with 16 gigs ram so that should  be able to 
handle moving a message to a mail box.

Eric Caron 


> On Mar 23, 2020, at 12:01 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> I have not noticed this at all.  Moving messages behaves just the same as it 
> has in previous iterations and is not slow at all.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 22, 2020, at 13:03, Eric Caron  > wrote:
> 
> Hi listers,
> 
>   One thing I have noticed after updating to Catalina is that moving 
> messages to a mail box is slow with mail stating busy and then after a pause 
> finally opening up the context menu and eventually the list to move to a 
> mailbox. 
> 
>   Does this improve with time?  It has been about a week.  
> 
> Have others noticed this behavior?
> 
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> 
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Re: Catalina: How Would I Put Audio Books on my iPHone?

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I tend to prefer the Apple stock apps for reading my audio books, thus when I 
use AudioBook Builder to "build" the audio book, it automatically places it 
into proper location and makes it the proper m4b format.  I guess that it's 
entirely possible that VoiceStream Reader does the same thing, but this is what 
I'm used to, so it's what I continue to do.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 23, 2020, at 10:36, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi all,

Just curious, why do you use an app like Audio Book Builder or binder, rather 
than just pulling the book into an app like Voice Dream Reader? Just wondering 
what the benefits are.
Cheers,
Donna


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> Hi,
> 
> I use AudioBook Builder.  Perfectly accessible.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
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> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 22, 2020, at 18:11, Dave Carlson  > wrote:
> 
> Anders,
> This is Dave. I use Audio Book Binder. Works very well.
> 
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> Dave Carlson
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Re: Catalina: How Would I Put Audio Books on my iPHone?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

That makes total sense, Tim. Thanks for responding.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Mar 23, 2020, at 12:13 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> I tend to prefer the Apple stock apps for reading my audio books, thus when I 
> use AudioBook Builder to "build" the audio book, it automatically places it 
> into proper location and makes it the proper m4b format.  I guess that it's 
> entirely possible that VoiceStream Reader does the same thing, but this is 
> what I'm used to, so it's what I continue to do.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 23, 2020, at 10:36, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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> Hi all,
> 
> Just curious, why do you use an app like Audio Book Builder or binder, rather 
> than just pulling the book into an app like Voice Dream Reader? Just 
> wondering what the benefits are.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Mar 23, 2020, at 11:00 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> I use AudioBook Builder.  Perfectly accessible.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> On Mar 22, 2020, at 18:11, Dave Carlson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Anders,
>> This is Dave. I use Audio Book Binder. Works very well.
>> 
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>> Dave Carlson
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Re: Catalina: How Would I Put Audio Books on my iPHone?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I think its great but a bit cluttered.
/A

> 23 mars 2020 kl. 17:00 skrev 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> I use AudioBook Builder.  Perfectly accessible.
> 
> Later...
> 
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> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
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> On Mar 22, 2020, at 18:11, Dave Carlson  > wrote:
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> Anders,
> This is Dave. I use Audio Book Binder. Works very well.
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Re: Hard Drive Buffering

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Already did that and things were fine. I made no changes so not sure 
what is going on. I get no dialog on the ATV, it just sits there.


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On 3/23/2020 8:59 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,

To access your Library, you'll need to add your computer to the Apple TV 
so that it is available to it.  I am able to access my Library on my 
MacPro as well as the Cloud content using the Siri remote.


Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 22, 2020, at 22:03, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:


   Using the old remote the last couple nights were fine. Tonight I 
played with the rotor and tried to access my library. No go, not even 
with the old remote. Not nice. (grins)


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On 3/19/2020 7:05 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,
I also found it easier to use the remote when the rotor is set to 
"Follow Focus".  Seems more logical.  There are a few times when 
trying to read specific items that I needed to change the rotor to 
Characters or Words, but Follow Focus worked best for me.

Later...
Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Mar 19, 2020, at 01:15, Simon A Fogarty > wrote:

Hi ET,
Crazy suggestion but try your threes remote,
I know my old remote worked on my atv 4,
So you might have luck with the old one,
And yeah I know what you mean it takes some getting use to with the 
flick and swipe

-Original Message-
From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries >

Sent: Thursday, 19 March 2020 5:01 AM
To:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 


Subject: Re: Hard Drive Buffering
   Ues still using the 3rd. I just got a 4k but find I need to get 
used to the touch panel on the Siri remote. And the layout too is 
different.

I should set some time aside to work this out.
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On 3/18/2020 8:31 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,

On an internal network, this really shouldn't be an issue.  Are you
still using an Apple TV 3?  If so, that might be part of the issue.
My son still uses an Apple TV 3 as well and finds that his media loads
rather slowly compared to my Apple TV 4 HD.  It may have to do with
processing speed within the devices.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 18, 2020, at 09:24, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries


> wrote:

  My iTunes library is on an external drive. Suppose that instead of
the wi-fi, it is the drive? Is there a way to test this out and see?
If I can get my hands on an extender I could see if that helps or not,
but have not found one yet.

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Re: Catalina: How Would I Put Audio Books on my iPHone?

[Dave Carlson]

Donna,
When using the iPhone, you could play books by simply placing them into your 
music folder as MP3 files, or other audio file types. The problem with that is 
that they could be affected by the shuffle feature, so chapters may not play in 
sequence. Also you don’t have a convenient way to stop and then pick up again 
later at the same point.
The M4B format works in the books app on the iPhone and also in the audio books 
player on an iPod. It will resume where you leave off (bookmark) and allows you 
to slow or speed up the narrative. The binding process in Audio Book 
Binder/Builder does that for you.


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Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Yes, we just set up my wife’s work computer in our office, it’s a bit of a 
tight fit as she has two monitors and a docking port for her laptop, but we 
made it fit. I Weill still have to go to work fro for the foreseeable future 
unless I get sick, but at least I won’t have to catch the bus to work any more 
as my wife can drive me for the next four weeks or more. Depending on how long 
this takes.
How about you, are you able to work from home? 

> On 23/03/2020, at 21:21, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Petrus,
>  
> I’ve looked at androids and I’ve only found a couple of voices for them,
>  
> Might be that we don’t get the same range  down here but I thought they were 
> more limited.
>  
> You ready for lock down?
>  
> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On 
> Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Monday, 23 March 2020 12:21 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?
>  
> Well some of the people on this list might want to Lynch me if I suggest 
> this, but have you looked at Android phones as well? They might have some 
> voices that might be easier on the ear. I haven’t got one myself but I think 
> there are more voices available for them. 
> 
> 
> On 23/03/2020, at 11:57, Karen Lewellen  > wrote:
>  
> I will confirm the model via my apple id, then wait until   the CNIB 
> individual  is here again, since the last voice left is  unsafe for my use.
> I know about the adapters, but  as established, until I know the device is   
> safe for use voice wise, accessories are the least of my focus.
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 23 Mar 2020, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
> 
> 
> I think it might be a 5c as I vaguely remember you telling us when you first 
> got the phone. Not sure if you can delete voices and even if you could I 
> don’t think I could test it as the steps might be different on IOS 10 then 
> they are on 13.
> As far as the lack of a  headphone jack goes on the new phones,, you do get 
> an adaptor so you can still plug your old headphones into it through the 
> charging port.
> 
> 
> On 23/03/2020, at 11:44, Karen Lewellen  > wrote:
> 
> That is one reason why I want to dump  stuff. Alex, which apparently works on 
> this  phone takes allot of space.
> I want to test voices with some knowledge, I start getting nauseous when 
> voices  are  not correct.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, 22 Mar 2020, Anders Holmberg wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi!
> The 5 series can’t be updated any more.
> But i don’t know if they update the voices sometimes.
> Have you tried other voices such as the american voice Tom or other voices?
> /A
> 
> 
> 22 mars 2020 kl. 06:47 skrev Karen Lewellen  >:
> 
> and a side siri one as well?
> Will ask the siri one first..can it be removed once installed?
> The voiceover voice question has to do with sound quality.
> I finally found a discussion thread about this with others noting the same 
> thing. Daniel who I believe is the UK English voice changed in its enhanced 
> form a while back. I do not know if it has been improved, or better still 
> when was the last upgrade to the Daniel voice?
> I have an iPhone in the 5 family. it is possible that upgrading IOS itself, 
> or the voice, if I can, will improve things.
> for now though the quality clarity and pronunciation is rather dreadful.
> I did not want siri, but apple accessibility, who was talking with the person 
> helping me use the phone suggested the download because voiceover itself was 
> not working well according to them.
> Siri, which was male in this case, sounded worse than the Daniel voice itself.
> I believe? Nuance makes the apple voices. Is there any way to reach them 
> directly?
> last of all, I understand there are other options for voices, with my 
> wondering about direct contacts too, as I will have to walk someone else 
> through reaching them.
> My situation is that since most software generated speech is in a frequency 
> range that stimulates my brain's dizzy centres, experimenting can make me 
> rather sick. That is what happened when trying to resolve the Daniel / male 
> siri situation.
> meaning I really want to plan ahead before testing anything further.
> ideas?
> Karen
> 
> 
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RE: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

[Karen Lewellen]

Not without a risk of illness while trying to figure  out how to even find 
those   things.




On Mon, 23 Mar 2020, Simon A Fogarty wrote:


You could look under setting, general , about this phone and see wht model it 
is and check that in google.com



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Sent: Monday, 23 March 2020 11:57 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

I will confirm the model via my apple id, then wait until   the CNIB
individual  is here again, since the last voice left is  unsafe for my use.
I know about the adapters, but  as established, until I know the device
is   safe for use voice wise, accessories are the least of my focus.



On Mon, 23 Mar 2020, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:


I think it might be a 5c as I vaguely remember you telling us when you first 
got the phone. Not sure if you can delete voices and even if you could I don’t 
think I could test it as the steps might be different on IOS 10 then they are 
on 13.
As far as the lack of a  headphone jack goes on the new phones,, you do get an 
adaptor so you can still plug your old headphones into it through the charging 
port.


On 23/03/2020, at 11:44, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

That is one reason why I want to dump  stuff. Alex, which apparently  works on 
this  phone takes allot of space.
I want to test voices with some knowledge, I start getting nauseous when voices 
 are  not correct.



On Sun, 22 Mar 2020, Anders Holmberg wrote:


Hi!
The 5 series can’t be updated any more.
But i don’t know if they update the voices sometimes.
Have you tried other voices such as the american voice Tom or other voices?
/A


22 mars 2020 kl. 06:47 skrev Karen Lewellen :

and a side siri one as well?
Will ask the siri one first..can it be removed once installed?
The voiceover voice  question has to do with sound quality.
I finally found a discussion thread about this with others noting the same 
thing.  Daniel who I believe is the UK English voice  changed in its enhanced 
form a while back.  I do not know if it has been  improved, or better still  
when was the last  upgrade to  the Daniel voice?
I have an iPhone in the 5 family.  it is possiblethat  upgrading IOS 
itself, or the voice, if I can, will improve things.
for now though  the quality  clarity and pronunciation is rather dreadful.
I did not want siri, but apple accessibility, who was talking with the person  
helping me use the phone suggested the download because voiceover  itself was 
not working well according to them.
Siri, which was male in this case, sounded worse than the Daniel voice itself.
I believe? Nuance makes the apple voices.  Is there any way to reach them 
directly?
last of all, I understand there are other  options for voices,  with my 
wondering about direct contacts too, as I will have to walk someone else 
through  reaching them.
My situation is that since most software generated speech is in a frequency 
range that stimulates my brain's dizzy centres, experimenting can make me 
rather sick.  That is what happened when trying to resolve the Daniel / male 
siri  situation.
meaning I really want to plan ahead before testing anything further.
ideas?
Karen




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Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

If Petrus wasn't so far away, I might have to linch him ;).  Couldn't fly down 
there right now either, so I guess you're in the clear Petrus.

Hope all is well down there for you.  My wife is in the high-risk category, and 
my daughter just made it back from the UK early Sunday morning, so we're in 
self-isolation mode at our place.  I'm a geek, so working from home is not an 
issue for me.  I've also spent hours making our systems remotely accessible to 
me.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 23, 2020, at 13:28, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:

Yes, we just set up my wife’s work computer in our office, it’s a bit of a 
tight fit as she has two monitors and a docking port for her laptop, but we 
made it fit. I Weill still have to go to work fro for the foreseeable future 
unless I get sick, but at least I won’t have to catch the bus to work any more 
as my wife can drive me for the next four weeks or more. Depending on how long 
this takes.
How about you, are you able to work from home? 

> On 23/03/2020, at 21:21, Simon A Fogarty  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Petrus,
>  
> I’ve looked at androids and I’ve only found a couple of voices for them,
>  
> Might be that we don’t get the same range  down here but I thought they were 
> more limited.
>  
> You ready for lock down?
>  
> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>On 
> Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Monday, 23 March 2020 12:21 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?
>  
> Well some of the people on this list might want to Lynch me if I suggest 
> this, but have you looked at Android phones as well? They might have some 
> voices that might be easier on the ear. I haven’t got one myself but I think 
> there are more voices available for them. 
> 
> 
> On 23/03/2020, at 11:57, Karen Lewellen  > wrote:
>  
> I will confirm the model via my apple id, then wait until   the CNIB 
> individual  is here again, since the last voice left is  unsafe for my use.
> I know about the adapters, but  as established, until I know the device is   
> safe for use voice wise, accessories are the least of my focus.
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 23 Mar 2020, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
> 
> 
> I think it might be a 5c as I vaguely remember you telling us when you first 
> got the phone. Not sure if you can delete voices and even if you could I 
> don’t think I could test it as the steps might be different on IOS 10 then 
> they are on 13.
> As far as the lack of a  headphone jack goes on the new phones,, you do get 
> an adaptor so you can still plug your old headphones into it through the 
> charging port.
> 
> 
> On 23/03/2020, at 11:44, Karen Lewellen  > wrote:
> 
> That is one reason why I want to dump  stuff. Alex, which apparently  works 
> on this  phone takes allot of space.
> I want to test voices with some knowledge, I start getting nauseous when 
> voices  are  not correct.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, 22 Mar 2020, Anders Holmberg wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi!
> The 5 series can’t be updated any more.
> But i don’t know if they update the voices sometimes.
> Have you tried other voices such as the american voice Tom or other voices?
> /A
> 
> 
> 22 mars 2020 kl. 06:47 skrev Karen Lewellen  >:
> 
> and a side siri one as well?
> Will ask the siri one first..can it be removed once installed?
> The voiceover voice  question has to do with sound quality.
> I finally found a discussion thread about this with others noting the same 
> thing.  Daniel who I believe is the UK English voice  changed in its enhanced 
> form a while back.  I do not know if it has been  improved, or better still  
> when was the last  upgrade to  the Daniel voice?
> I have an iPhone in the 5 family.  it is possiblethat  upgrading IOS 
> itself, or the voice, if I can, will improve things.
> for now though  the quality  clarity and pronunciation is rather dreadful.
> I did not want siri, but apple accessibility, who was talking with the person 
>  helping me use the phone suggested the download because voiceover  itself 
> was not working well according to them.
> Siri, which was male in this case, sounded worse than the Daniel voice itself.
> I believe? Nuance makes the apple voices.  Is there any way to reach them 
> directly?
> last of all, I understand there are other  options for voices,  with my 
> wondering about direct contacts too, as I will have to walk someone else 
> through  reaching them.
> My situation is that since most software generated speech is in a frequency 
> range that stimulates my brain's dizzy centres, experimenting can make me 
> rather sick.  That is what happened when trying to resolve the Daniel / male 
> sir

Re: Hard Drive Buffering

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

HI,

Does it just sit there for everything, or just when you attempt to access your 
internal Library?  Did you mean that it worked for a bit, but stopped working 
now?  If so, restart the Apple TV.  If it's all froze, just unplug it, leave it 
unplugged for about 20 to 30 seconds, then plug it back in.  Sometimes it gets 
a little cranky and needs a kick in the behind.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 23, 2020, at 12:20, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

  Already did that and things were fine. I made no changes so not sure what is 
going on. I get no dialog on the ATV, it just sits there.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 3/23/2020 8:59 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> Hi,
> To access your Library, you'll need to add your computer to the Apple TV so 
> that it is available to it.  I am able to access my Library on my MacPro as 
> well as the Cloud content using the Siri remote.
> Later...
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> On Mar 22, 2020, at 22:03, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>   Using the old remote the last couple nights were fine. Tonight I played 
> with the rotor and tried to access my library. No go, not even with the old 
> remote. Not nice. (grins)
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> On 3/19/2020 7:05 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I also found it easier to use the remote when the rotor is set to "Follow 
>> Focus".  Seems more logical.  There are a few times when trying to read 
>> specific items that I needed to change the rotor to Characters or Words, but 
>> Follow Focus worked best for me.
>> Later...
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> On Mar 19, 2020, at 01:15, Simon A Fogarty > > wrote:
>> Hi ET,
>> Crazy suggestion but try your threes remote,
>> I know my old remote worked on my atv 4,
>> So you might have luck with the old one,
>> And yeah I know what you mean it takes some getting use to with the flick 
>> and swipe
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries > >
>> Sent: Thursday, 19 March 2020 5:01 AM
>> To:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> 
>> Subject: Re: Hard Drive Buffering
>>Ues still using the 3rd. I just got a 4k but find I need to get used to 
>> the touch panel on the Siri remote. And the layout too is different.
>> I should set some time aside to work this out.
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>> 
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> On 3/18/2020 8:31 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> On an internal network, this really shouldn't be an issue.  Are you
>>> still using an Apple TV 3?  If so, that might be part of the issue.
>>> My son still uses an Apple TV 3 as well and finds that his media loads
>>> rather slowly compared to my Apple TV 4 HD.  It may have to do with
>>> processing speed within the devices.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Mar 18, 2020, at 09:24, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
>>> >> 
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>   My iTunes library is on an external drive. Suppose that instead of
>>> the wi-fi, it is the drive? Is there a way to test this out and see?
>>> If I can get my hands on an extender I could see if that helps or not,
>>> but have not found one yet.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were
>>> true?
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Re: Hard Drive Buffering

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   It sits after I select Computers. I can back out and I can still 
access Settings. Will work with it a bit later and see what happens. 
Will then do a restart if need be.


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On 3/23/2020 12:48 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

HI,

Does it just sit there for everything, or just when you attempt to 
access your internal Library?  Did you mean that it worked for a bit, 
but stopped working now?  If so, restart the Apple TV.  If it's all 
froze, just unplug it, leave it unplugged for about 20 to 30 seconds, 
then plug it back in.  Sometimes it gets a little cranky and needs a 
kick in the behind.


Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 23, 2020, at 12:20, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:


   Already did that and things were fine. I made no changes so not sure 
what is going on. I get no dialog on the ATV, it just sits there.


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ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
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On 3/23/2020 8:59 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,
To access your Library, you'll need to add your computer to the Apple 
TV so that it is available to it.  I am able to access my Library on 
my MacPro as well as the Cloud content using the Siri remote.

Later...
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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Mar 22, 2020, at 22:03, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 
> wrote:
  Using the old remote the last couple nights were fine. Tonight I 
played with the rotor and tried to access my library. No go, not even 
with the old remote. Not nice. (grins)

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On 3/19/2020 7:05 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,
I also found it easier to use the remote when the rotor is set to 
"Follow Focus".  Seems more logical.  There are a few times when 
trying to read specific items that I needed to change the rotor to 
Characters or Words, but Follow Focus worked best for me.

Later...
Tim Kilburn
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Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Mar 19, 2020, at 01:15, Simon A Fogarty  
> wrote:

Hi ET,
Crazy suggestion but try your threes remote,
I know my old remote worked on my atv 4,
So you might have luck with the old one,
And yeah I know what you mean it takes some getting use to with the 
flick and swipe

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Sent: Thursday, 19 March 2020 5:01 AM
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Subject: Re: Hard Drive Buffering
   Ues still using the 3rd. I just got a 4k but find I need to get 
used to the touch panel on the Siri remote. And the layout too is 
different.

I should set some time aside to work this out.
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On 3/18/2020 8:31 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,

On an internal network, this really shouldn't be an issue.  Are you
still using an Apple TV 3?  If so, that might be part of the issue.
My son still uses an Apple TV 3 as well and finds that his media loads
rather slowly compared to my Apple TV 4 HD.  It may have to do with
processing speed within the devices.

Later...


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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 18, 2020, at 09:24, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
 


> wrote:

  My iTunes library is on an external drive. Suppose that instead of
the wi-fi, it is the drive? Is there a way to test this out and see?
If I can get my hands on an extender I could see if that helps or not,
but have not found one yet.

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snoozing vs dismissing alarm with FaceID.

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hello,
On my iPhone 7, if I press volume button or power (side) button when an alarm 
is goin off, it snoozes. If I press the home button with a finger that supports 
touch ID, the alarm is dismissed.
What is the equivalent for iPhone 10 and newer?
Jonathan

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Re: Catalina: How Would I Put Audio Books on my iPHone?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Oh, that makes sense, Dave. I still get a lot of books from Bookshare, and 
those can be downloaded as Daisy files, so import nicely into Voice Dream. But 
I can see how if you just had a text file, this would make for a better reading 
experience.
Cheers,
Donna

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> Donna,
> When using the iPhone, you could play books by simply placing them into your 
> music folder as MP3 files, or other audio file types. The problem with that 
> is that they could be affected by the shuffle feature, so chapters may not 
> play in sequence. Also you don’t have a convenient way to stop and then pick 
> up again later at the same point.
> The M4B format works in the books app on the iPhone and also in the audio 
> books player on an iPod. It will resume where you leave off (bookmark) and 
> allows you to slow or speed up the narrative. The binding process in Audio 
> Book Binder/Builder does that for you.
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Re: snoozing vs dismissing alarm with FaceID.

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

My understanding is as follows:

1.  If Snooze is disabled in the specific alarm settings, just press the side 
button or one of the volume buttons to silence the alarm.

2.  If Snooze is enabled, use the Home gesture to dismiss the alarm, or the 
side button or volume buttons to snooze.

Myself, I don't bother with having snooze enabled, so just have to either press 
the side button or the button on my Apple Watch.

Later...


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On Mar 23, 2020, at 14:20, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

Hello,
On my iPhone 7, if I press volume button or power (side) button when an alarm 
is goin off, it snoozes. If I press the home button with a finger that supports 
touch ID, the alarm is dismissed.
What is the equivalent for iPhone 10 and newer?
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Re: snoozing vs dismissing alarm with FaceID.

[Agent086b]

Hi,
how do you turn of snooze for alarms etc in a 10S?
Thanks for any advice.
Max.

> On 24 Mar 2020, at 8:00 am, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> My understanding is as follows:
> 
> 1.  If Snooze is disabled in the specific alarm settings, just press the side 
> button or one of the volume buttons to silence the alarm.
> 
> 2.  If Snooze is enabled, use the Home gesture to dismiss the alarm, or the 
> side button or volume buttons to snooze.
> 
> Myself, I don't bother with having snooze enabled, so just have to either 
> press the side button or the button on my Apple Watch.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
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> 
> On Mar 23, 2020, at 14:20, Jonathan Cohn  > wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> On my iPhone 7, if I press volume button or power (side) button when an alarm 
> is goin off, it snoozes. If I press the home button with a finger that 
> supports touch ID, the alarm is dismissed.
> What is the equivalent for iPhone 10 and newer?
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Re: snoozing vs dismissing alarm with FaceID.

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

If you don't wish to have snooze at all, open the Clock app, select the Alarm 
tab, double-tap the Edit button, double-tap the alarm you wish to edit, swipe 
through the choices and just after the alarm sound/song, the snooze option 
should be there.  Double-tap on it to toggle on/off.  Note that once you've 
turned it off, pressing the buttons totally silences the alarm and it does not 
snooze.  If you want the ability to snooze on occasion, do not disable this 
setting.  Also, note that there are other configuration options within here 
such as having the alarm only make noise on specific days, week days, weekends 
etc.  You can also have the alarm play music from your library instead of the 
stock alert noises.  Make sure to download the song to your iPhone if you wish 
to use a song from your library.

HTH.

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On Mar 23, 2020, at 15:09, Agent086b  wrote:

Hi,
how do you turn of snooze for alarms etc in a 10S?
Thanks for any advice.
Max.

> On 24 Mar 2020, at 8:00 am, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> My understanding is as follows:
> 
> 1.  If Snooze is disabled in the specific alarm settings, just press the side 
> button or one of the volume buttons to silence the alarm.
> 
> 2.  If Snooze is enabled, use the Home gesture to dismiss the alarm, or the 
> side button or volume buttons to snooze.
> 
> Myself, I don't bother with having snooze enabled, so just have to either 
> press the side button or the button on my Apple Watch.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 23, 2020, at 14:20, Jonathan Cohn  > wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> On my iPhone 7, if I press volume button or power (side) button when an alarm 
> is goin off, it snoozes. If I press the home button with a finger that 
> supports touch ID, the alarm is dismissed.
> What is the equivalent for iPhone 10 and newer?
> Jonathan
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Re: snoozing vs dismissing alarm with FaceID.

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Yes, I tried using the feature to play a track from my music library and it 
would have worked if the track in question wasn’t 20 minutes in length. That is 
where I discovered that the alarm stops Automatically after 10 minutes. So I 
ended up creating a shortcut so I could play that track each morning without 
having to search in the music pp, as Siri was unable to find it as it has a 
very hard to pronounce name.

> On 24/03/2020, at 10:24, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> If you don't wish to have snooze at all, open the Clock app, select the Alarm 
> tab, double-tap the Edit button, double-tap the alarm you wish to edit, swipe 
> through the choices and just after the alarm sound/song, the snooze option 
> should be there.  Double-tap on it to toggle on/off.  Note that once you've 
> turned it off, pressing the buttons totally silences the alarm and it does 
> not snooze.  If you want the ability to snooze on occasion, do not disable 
> this setting.  Also, note that there are other configuration options within 
> here such as having the alarm only make noise on specific days, week days, 
> weekends etc.  You can also have the alarm play music from your library 
> instead of the stock alert noises.  Make sure to download the song to your 
> iPhone if you wish to use a song from your library.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 23, 2020, at 15:09, Agent086b  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> how do you turn of snooze for alarms etc in a 10S?
> Thanks for any advice.
> Max.
> 
>> On 24 Mar 2020, at 8:00 am, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> My understanding is as follows:
>> 
>> 1.  If Snooze is disabled in the specific alarm settings, just press the 
>> side button or one of the volume buttons to silence the alarm.
>> 
>> 2.  If Snooze is enabled, use the Home gesture to dismiss the alarm, or the 
>> side button or volume buttons to snooze.
>> 
>> Myself, I don't bother with having snooze enabled, so just have to either 
>> press the side button or the button on my Apple Watch.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Mar 23, 2020, at 14:20, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> On my iPhone 7, if I press volume button or power (side) button when an 
>> alarm is goin off, it snoozes. If I press the home button with a finger that 
>> supports touch ID, the alarm is dismissed.
>> What is the equivalent for iPhone 10 and newer?
>> Jonathan
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Finding the external DVD drive

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Hi all,
I have a dum dum question, I’ve done it once before and totally forgot how to 
do it. I’ve got an external DVD  drive plugged into my Mac book and am trying 
to find a CD with some MP3  files on it and I’ve not got them labeled. How do I 
find the DVD  drive so I can see what is on the CD?
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Re: Finding the external DVD drive

[John Panarese]

  It should show up on your desktop when the CD is inserted and the drive is 
connected. Just open the volume and you should be able to navigate the files on 
the CD. It will probably mount in icon view.


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> Hi all,
> I have a dum dum question, I’ve done it once before and totally forgot how to 
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> to find a CD with some MP3  files on it and I’ve not got them labeled. How do 
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Re: Finding the external DVD drive

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Sorry, silly question but at the moment focus
 Is on the Applications so is it in that list or do I need to put focus on the 
Desktop which I can’t remember how to do?j

> On 24/03/2020, at 12:54, John Panarese  wrote:
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>   It should show up on your desktop when the CD is inserted and the drive is 
> connected. Just open the volume and you should be able to navigate the files 
> on the CD. It will probably mount in icon view.
> 
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>> On Mar 23, 2020, at 7:52 PM, Petrus Tuerlings > > wrote:
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>> Hi all,
>> I have a dum dum question, I’ve done it once before and totally forgot how 
>> to do it. I’ve got an external DVD  drive plugged into my Mac book and am 
>> trying to find a CD with some MP3  files on it and I’ve not got them 
>> labeled. How do I find the DVD  drive so I can see what is on the CD?
>> Sent from Petrus' MacBook 
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Re: Finding the external DVD drive

[John Panarese]

  VO-shift-d to get to the desktop and it should show up as, Untitled, unless 
you have labeled the disk in some way.


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> On Mar 23, 2020, at 7:57 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
> 
> Sorry, silly question but at the moment focus
>  Is on the Applications so is it in that list or do I need to put focus on 
> the Desktop which I can’t remember how to do?j
> 
>> On 24/03/2020, at 12:54, John Panarese > > wrote:
>> 
>>   It should show up on your desktop when the CD is inserted and the drive is 
>> connected. Just open the volume and you should be able to navigate the files 
>> on the CD. It will probably mount in icon view.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
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>>> On Mar 23, 2020, at 7:52 PM, Petrus Tuerlings >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I have a dum dum question, I’ve done it once before and totally forgot how 
>>> to do it. I’ve got an external DVD  drive plugged into my Mac book and am 
>>> trying to find a CD with some MP3  files on it and I’ve not got them 
>>> labeled. How do I find the DVD  drive so I can see what is on the CD?
>>> Sent from Petrus' MacBook 
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Re: snoozing vs dismissing alarm with FaceID.

[Jonathan Cohn]

Are you talking about disabling the snooze feature for an alarm or turning the 
alarm off when it is raining?
Jonathan
 

> On Mar 23, 2020, at 5:09 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
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> Hi,
> how do you turn of snooze for alarms etc in a 10S?
> Thanks for any advice.
> Max.
> 
>> On 24 Mar 2020, at 8:00 am, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> My understanding is as follows:
>> 
>> 1.  If Snooze is disabled in the specific alarm settings, just press the 
>> side button or one of the volume buttons to silence the alarm.
>> 
>> 2.  If Snooze is enabled, use the Home gesture to dismiss the alarm, or the 
>> side button or volume buttons to snooze.
>> 
>> Myself, I don't bother with having snooze enabled, so just have to either 
>> press the side button or the button on my Apple Watch.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
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>> On Mar 23, 2020, at 14:20, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
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>> Hello,
>> On my iPhone 7, if I press volume button or power (side) button when an 
>> alarm is goin off, it snoozes. If I press the home button with a finger that 
>> supports touch ID, the alarm is dismissed.
>> What is the equivalent for iPhone 10 and newer?
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Re: Finding the external DVD drive

[Brad Snyder]

If you don’t find it on the Desktop, do CMD + SHIFT + C, to open a Finder 
window that should show all the available resources (Macintosh HD, etc…) on 
your Mac.

HTH

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On Mar 23, 2020, at 19:03, John Panarese  wrote:

  VO-shift-d to get to the desktop and it should show up as, Untitled, unless 
you have labeled the disk in some way.


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> On Mar 23, 2020, at 7:57 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  > wrote:
> 
> Sorry, silly question but at the moment focus
>  Is on the Applications so is it in that list or do I need to put focus on 
> the Desktop which I can’t remember how to do?j
> 
>> On 24/03/2020, at 12:54, John Panarese > > wrote:
>> 
>>   It should show up on your desktop when the CD is inserted and the drive is 
>> connected. Just open the volume and you should be able to navigate the files 
>> on the CD. It will probably mount in icon view.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
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>>> On Mar 23, 2020, at 7:52 PM, Petrus Tuerlings >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I have a dum dum question, I’ve done it once before and totally forgot how 
>>> to do it. I’ve got an external DVD  drive plugged into my Mac book and am 
>>> trying to find a CD with some MP3  files on it and I’ve not got them 
>>> labeled. How do I find the DVD  drive so I can see what is on the CD?
>>> Sent from Petrus' MacBook 
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Re: Finding the external DVD drive

[Petrus Tuerlings]

VO Shift D is the one I couldn’t remember, thanks.

> On 24/03/2020, at 13:03, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>   VO-shift-d to get to the desktop and it should show up as, Untitled, unless 
> you have labeled the disk in some way.
> 
> 
> Take Care
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>> On Mar 23, 2020, at 7:57 PM, Petrus Tuerlings > > wrote:
>> 
>> Sorry, silly question but at the moment focus
>>  Is on the Applications so is it in that list or do I need to put focus on 
>> the Desktop which I can’t remember how to do?j
>> 
>>> On 24/03/2020, at 12:54, John Panarese >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>   It should show up on your desktop when the CD is inserted and the drive 
>>> is connected. Just open the volume and you should be able to navigate the 
>>> files on the CD. It will probably mount in icon view.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
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>>> 
 On Mar 23, 2020, at 7:52 PM, Petrus Tuerlings >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 I have a dum dum question, I’ve done it once before and totally forgot how 
 to do it. I’ve got an external DVD  drive plugged into my Mac book and am 
 trying to find a CD with some MP3  files on it and I’ve not got them 
 labeled. How do I find the DVD  drive so I can see what is on the CD?
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Re: Finding the external DVD drive

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Thanks again, found the CD I was looking for. I should really get round to 
putting Braille labels on the rest of my CDs one day. I know I have my entire 
music collection in my iTunes library b ut I’m old fashioned and like to have 
the CDs as well.

> On 24/03/2020, at 13:07, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> If you don’t find it on the Desktop, do CMD + SHIFT + C, to open a Finder 
> window that should show all the available resources (Macintosh HD, etc…) on 
> your Mac.
> 
> HTH
> 
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> 
> 
> On Mar 23, 2020, at 19:03, John Panarese  > wrote:
> 
>   VO-shift-d to get to the desktop and it should show up as, Untitled, unless 
> you have labeled the disk in some way.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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>> On Mar 23, 2020, at 7:57 PM, Petrus Tuerlings > > wrote:
>> 
>> Sorry, silly question but at the moment focus
>>  Is on the Applications so is it in that list or do I need to put focus on 
>> the Desktop which I can’t remember how to do?j
>> 
>>> On 24/03/2020, at 12:54, John Panarese >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>   It should show up on your desktop when the CD is inserted and the drive 
>>> is connected. Just open the volume and you should be able to navigate the 
>>> files on the CD. It will probably mount in icon view.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
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>>> 
 On Mar 23, 2020, at 7:52 PM, Petrus Tuerlings >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 I have a dum dum question, I’ve done it once before and totally forgot how 
 to do it. I’ve got an external DVD  drive plugged into my Mac book and am 
 trying to find a CD with some MP3  files on it and I’ve not got them 
 labeled. How do I find the DVD  drive so I can see what is on the CD?
 Sent from Petrus' MacBook 
 
 
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Re: Catalina: How Would I Put Audio Books on my iPHone?

[Dave Carlson]

Donna, I don’t get audio books in text format. They are usually MP3. These can 
be played like any music file, but need to be processed into M4B in order to 
play properly in the books app or on an iPod.

Dave Carlson
Musician, Engineer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer





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