RE: Bring back your Mac's startup chime with this simple terminal command, 9 to 5 Mac

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Petrus,

That should be the right one then.

Let me know if you wish to retry,

I’m happy to help if you need it.


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Sunday, 23 February 2020 2:02 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bring back your Mac's startup chime with this simple terminal 
command, 9 to 5 Mac

Never mind, I’m not sure if I can remember my administrator password as I’ve 
only ever used my Apple ID password as far as I know and I set this machine up 
over a year ago and don’t think I’ve needed to use that password again since.


On 23/02/2020, at 13:57, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

I thought I said fn right arrow?

If tnot then apologies as that’s what I meant to say.
Basically highlighting the full line.

From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.commailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
 On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Sunday, 23 February 2020 1:56 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bring back your Mac's startup chime with this simple terminal 
command, 9 to 5 Mac

Oh yeah, I’m not sure how I managed to select the line as option right arrow 
didn’t select anything and shift FN selected the entire email. But then I 
arrowed up and the line was selected as my wife was looking over my shoulder.



On 23/02/2020, at 13:52, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

  I find it easier to know where everything is rather than being too dependent 
on Siri and Spotlight. Makes for s better experience.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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On 2/22/2020 4:47 PM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:


Hi ET,
Yeah I know But I thought spotlight might be quicker and easier for Petrus as 
he asked for dummy steps,
Not that I think he needs them now.
He probably knows more than I do
-Original Message-
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mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Sunday, 23 February 2020 1:44 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bring back your Mac's startup chime with this simple terminal 
command, 9 to 5 Mac
Simon,
You can find Terminal in the Utilities folder which is inside the 
Applications folder.
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On 2/22/2020 4:32 PM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:


Hi Petrus,

Hit  space bar and command key at the same time to bring spotlight
search up.

Then type in term and it should bring terminal to the default

Hit enter then I’d suggest just typing the command,

It’s only a few words

Or you should be able to go to that line in marks email and do a shift
fn right arrow to highlight the entire line and then command c to cut etc.

Hope that helps.

*From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> *On 
Behalf Of *Petrus Tuerlings
*Sent:* Sunday, 23 February 2020 1:00 PM
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Bring back your Mac's startup chime with this simple
terminal command, 9 to 5 Mac

Hi all,

Let me rephrase when I say dummy  instructions. Where and what is the
Terminal and how does one copy and paste that command into it? I No
how to select an entire document or email  by pressing command a to
select all, but I’ve never worked out how to select word by word or
letter by letter? And once I’ve selected it I don’t know where to go to paste 
it?



On 23/02/2020, at 12:20, Jeff Berwick 
mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>
> wrote:

Yes, it works o my 2019 MacBook Pro; however, the volume is very
low.  I’ll have to figure out how to control that volume setting,
unless anybody else knows off the top of their head.
Jeff



On Feb 22, 2020, at 3:03 PM, M. Taylor 
mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>
> wrote:

Hello Everyone,

I know this was a recent topic of discussion on the list, but
according to a
friend of mine who purchased a Mac, last year, the command
described in the
article, works.

Read on for more details.

Mark

Bring back your Mac's startup chime with this simple terminal
command
By Michael Potuck

Apple's Mac startup chime became an iconic signature of the
company's
computers over the years and then in late 2016, it was removed
for all Macs
going forward with the exception of the 2017 MacBook Air. In a fun
development today, there's a short terminal command that's been
discovered
that will bring back you

RE: Bring back your Mac's startup chime with this simple terminal command, 9 to 5 Mac

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi,
It should be that same password if you set the machine up.

Only dum people like myself create multiple accounts one an admin and one a 
user.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Sunday, 23 February 2020 2:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bring back your Mac's startup chime with this simple terminal 
command, 9 to 5 Mac

Or is that the same password that I use when I restart the Mac?


On 23/02/2020, at 13:57, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

I thought I said fn right arrow?

If tnot then apologies as that’s what I meant to say.
Basically highlighting the full line.

From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Sunday, 23 February 2020 1:56 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bring back your Mac's startup chime with this simple terminal 
command, 9 to 5 Mac

Oh yeah, I’m not sure how I managed to select the line as option right arrow 
didn’t select anything and shift FN selected the entire email. But then I 
arrowed up and the line was selected as my wife was looking over my shoulder.



On 23/02/2020, at 13:52, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

  I find it easier to know where everything is rather than being too dependent 
on Siri and Spotlight. Makes for s better experience.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 2/22/2020 4:47 PM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:


Hi ET,
Yeah I know But I thought spotlight might be quicker and easier for Petrus as 
he asked for dummy steps,
Not that I think he needs them now.
He probably knows more than I do
-Original Message-
From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Sunday, 23 February 2020 1:44 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bring back your Mac's startup chime with this simple terminal 
command, 9 to 5 Mac
Simon,
You can find Terminal in the Utilities folder which is inside the 
Applications folder.
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?
On 2/22/2020 4:32 PM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:


Hi Petrus,

Hit  space bar and command key at the same time to bring spotlight
search up.

Then type in term and it should bring terminal to the default

Hit enter then I’d suggest just typing the command,

It’s only a few words

Or you should be able to go to that line in marks email and do a shift
fn right arrow to highlight the entire line and then command c to cut etc.

Hope that helps.

*From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> *On 
Behalf Of *Petrus Tuerlings
*Sent:* Sunday, 23 February 2020 1:00 PM
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Bring back your Mac's startup chime with this simple
terminal command, 9 to 5 Mac

Hi all,

Let me rephrase when I say dummy  instructions. Where and what is the
Terminal and how does one copy and paste that command into it? I No
how to select an entire document or email  by pressing command a to
select all, but I’ve never worked out how to select word by word or
letter by letter? And once I’ve selected it I don’t know where to go to paste 
it?



On 23/02/2020, at 12:20, Jeff Berwick 
mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>
> wrote:

Yes, it works o my 2019 MacBook Pro; however, the volume is very
low.  I’ll have to figure out how to control that volume setting,
unless anybody else knows off the top of their head.
Jeff



On Feb 22, 2020, at 3:03 PM, M. Taylor 
mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>
> wrote:

Hello Everyone,

I know this was a recent topic of discussion on the list, but
according to a
friend of mine who purchased a Mac, last year, the command
described in the
article, works.

Read on for more details.

Mark

Bring back your Mac's startup chime with this simple terminal
command
By Michael Potuck

Apple's Mac startup chime became an iconic signature of the
company's
computers over the years and then in late 2016, it was removed
for all Macs
going forward with the exception of the 2017 MacBook Air. In a fun
development today, there's a short terminal command that's been
discovered
that will bring back your Mac's startup chime.
Back in 2016, there was a similar terminal command discovered to
keep the
startup chime, but Ap

RE: Bring back your Mac's startup chime with this simple terminal command, 9 to 5 Mac

[Simon A Fogarty]

After you hit the power button to turn the machine on.

Did you put the full command in to the terminal?

Sudo nvram StartupMute=%00

Then when you paste that or type that into your terminal window you should get 
a request for password and then entering that and hitting enter wont tell you 
anything but you should be able to restart your machine and when you get the 
restart happening
You should hear the start up tone.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Dave Carlson
Sent: Sunday, 23 February 2020 6:56 PM
To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Bring back your Mac's startup chime with this simple terminal 
command, 9 to 5 Mac

Nope. Didn’t work. Is this sound supposed to happen after the power button is 
pressed to turn it on? Or after the login and password? And I do not get a 
request for my admin password when I add that line to the terminal, and yes my 
logon is an admin account.
I just don’t get it. Why is everyone else having so much fun, and I’m not?


Dave Carlson
Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician





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Re: Bring back your Mac's startup chime with this simple terminal command, 9 to 5 Mac

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hey Marc,

how cool. That command worked. And the sound on my MBP 16 is really great at 
start up.

Thanks a lot. And I wished Apple hadn’t removed this nice start confirmation 
sound.

All the best
Jürgen


> Am 22.02.2020 um 21:03 schrieb M. Taylor :
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I know this was a recent topic of discussion on the list, but according to a
> friend of mine who purchased a Mac, last year, the command described in the
> article, works.
> 
> Read on for more details.
> 
> Mark
> 
> Bring back your Mac's startup chime with this simple terminal command
> By Michael Potuck 
> 
> Apple's Mac startup chime became an iconic signature of the company's
> computers over the years and then in late 2016, it was removed for all Macs
> going forward with the exception of the 2017 MacBook Air. In a fun
> development today, there's a short terminal command that's been discovered
> that will bring back your Mac's startup chime.
> Back in 2016, there was a similar terminal command discovered to keep the
> startup chime, but Apple killed it not too long after.
> 
> Now it seems Apple has brought back the hidden option at some point with
> macOS Catalina. Today, Twitter user @chaysegr shared a video showing his
> MacBook Pro booting up with the iconic chime. He shared the terminal command
> that you can run to bring it back on your Mac:
> 
> sudo nvram StartupMute=%00
> 
> Type or copy and paste that command in Terminal then press return (enter
> your password if required). 
> 
> We verified that the command does indeed work on a couple of our machines
> here at 9to5Mac.
> Shortly after, @tempaccountnull discovered that "sudo nvram StartupMute=%01"
> will turn it back to the default of no chime.
> For a fun look behind the scenes of the making and history of the Mac
> startup chime, check out this interview with the creator Jim Reekes.
> 
> What do you think? Are you excited to have the Mac chime back? Share your
> thoughts in the comments below?
> Thanks, Dylan!
> 
> Original Article at:
> https://9to5mac.com/2020/02/21/bring-back-mac-startup-chime-command/
> 
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Re: Moving Around Mac Mail Message Lists

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

The key combination is command+option+up arrow and down arrow respectively
> On 22 Feb 2020, at 23:49, Kelly Ford  wrote:
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Command option and the arrow keys did the trick.
> 
> Kelly
> 
>> On Feb 22, 2020, at 5:02 PM, Caitlyn Furness  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Try option up or down arrow.
>> Cait
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 22, 2020, at 5:57 PM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> This seems like it should be obvious so maybe I’m missing something.  When 
>>> using the Mail app on the Mac, how do you jump to the start or end of the 
>>> message list?  I was thinking Home and End would do this but not so.
>>> 
>>> Kelly
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Re: Audio description on CBS all access using iPhone or Apple TV

[Patrick Ford]

CBS All Access does not have any audio description. In all their content there 
is no AD  available.
Too bad, right?
Patrick 

> On Feb 22, 2020, at 9:57 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Has anyone had success finding how to access audio description in the CBS all 
> axis app on either your iPhone or your Apple TV? I am interested in the new 
> Star Trek Picard series, and I understand it’s supposedly has audio 
> description. A friend of mine, who watches this series with sided friends, 
> says that those folks tried to access audible description, but were not 
> successful. I don’t know exactly what they did, hence my question. How do you 
> get audio description on CBS all axis with an iPhone or an Apple TV?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Accessible Terminal

[Nebojsa Tasic]

I use Terminal for running a PHP framework. I'm pleased how it works now.

The only thing, on Windows, using up arrow,  I can select previous used 
commands and don't have to type them again. Is it possible on Mac?



On 22.2.2020. 20:49, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries wrote:


If you find the terminal sufficiently accessible with VoiceOver, then 
obviously you don’t need to do anything further. In my experience, the 
terminal is usable in Catalina with VoiceOver. However, I wouldn’t 
wish to use it for running text editors or other interactive 
applications a lot, as it’s rather awkward. To do that, I would much 
rather run Linux and use the console directly (and, fortunately, my 
other laptop has Linux installed in a dual-boot configuration).


*From: * on behalf of Nebojsa Tasic 


*Reply-To: *
*Date: *Saturday, February 22, 2020 at 11:01
*To: *
*Subject: *Re: Accessible Terminal

I installed Homebrew in order to prepare environment for TDSR. During 
instalation I noticed that I can read in Terminal line by line and 
word by word. Does that mean that Terminal became accessible in 
Catalina? Maybe I will not need to install TDSR.


On 18.2.2020. 22:55, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Sorry, I’ll add links:

TDSR: https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr

Emacs: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/

Emacspeak: https://github.com/tvraman/emacspeak

A guide (contributions welcome), on installing Emacs and Emacspeak
on the Mac and working with it:
https://gist.github.com/devinprater/a794a448ccc46e72fca63c932105c043



On Feb 18, 2020, at 3:02 PM, Karen Lewellen
mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>>
wrote:

devin,
Do you mind adding a link to the tdsr program for the sake of
our list archive?
Kare



On Tue, 18 Feb 2020, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Emacs with Emacspeak provides a great text editor, along
with a shell that I think is somewhat usable, its main
advantage being, to me, that unlike most terminals, Emas’
Shell allows one to read not just a page of output, but
entire history. Something like TDSR with Screen, the shell
command, may allow this as well, but gosh being able to
search the history is great. TDSR, though, is the best
terminal screen reader on Mac for more interactive
commands, or things like SSH, Tintin, and other such
connectors to remote services.


On Feb 18, 2020, at 12:43 PM, Nebojsa Tasic
mailto:nele.ta...@gmail.com>>
wrote:


Hi Devin!


Is Emacs with Emacspeak the tool that can replace
Voice Over?


On 13.2.2020. 16:40, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries
wrote:

Try TDSR: https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr

If you want a more complete workspace, try Emacs
with Emacspeak:

https://gist.github.com/devinprater/a794a448ccc46e72fca63c932105c043




On Feb 13, 2020, at 3:02 AM, Nebojsa Tasic
mailto:nele.ta...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Hi All!


Could you recommend me a program or add-on for
more accessible work in Terminal?


Thanks in advance.



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Inspect element in Chrome

[Nebojsa Tasic]

I have to inspect elements in Chrome and copy them and their XPaths. 
When I press Inspect element, Voice Over reads the element but than 
focus changes to somewhere else and I can't return back to the element.


On Windows when I press Inspect element focus stays on the element. Than 
I press applications key and choose copy element and copy XPath.


Could you tell me how to do this on Mac?


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Re: Accessible Terminal

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

Yes, and all of the Emacs-style key bindings that you would expect to work do 
work.

 

From:  on behalf of Nebojsa Tasic 

Reply-To: 
Date: Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 07:26
To: 
Subject: Re: Accessible Terminal

 

 

I use Terminal for running a PHP framework. I'm pleased how it works now.

The only thing, on Windows, using up arrow,  I can select previous used 
commands and don't have to type them again. Is it possible on Mac?

 

On 22.2.2020. 20:49, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries wrote:

If you find the terminal sufficiently accessible with VoiceOver, then obviously 
you don’t need to do anything further. In my experience, the terminal is usable 
in Catalina with VoiceOver. However, I wouldn’t wish to use it for running text 
editors or other interactive applications a lot, as it’s rather awkward. To do 
that, I would much rather run Linux and use the console directly (and, 
fortunately, my other laptop has Linux installed in a dual-boot configuration).

 

 

From:  on behalf of Nebojsa Tasic 

Reply-To: 
Date: Saturday, February 22, 2020 at 11:01
To: 
Subject: Re: Accessible Terminal

 

 

I installed Homebrew in order to prepare environment for TDSR. During 
instalation I noticed that I can read in Terminal line by line and word by 
word. Does that mean that Terminal became accessible in Catalina? Maybe I will 
not need to install TDSR.

 

On 18.2.2020. 22:55, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Sorry, I’ll add links: 

 

TDSR: https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr

 

Emacs: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/

 

Emacspeak: https://github.com/tvraman/emacspeak

 

A guide (contributions welcome), on installing Emacs and Emacspeak on the Mac 
and working with it: 
https://gist.github.com/devinprater/a794a448ccc46e72fca63c932105c043




On Feb 18, 2020, at 3:02 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

 

devin,
Do you mind adding a link to the tdsr program for the sake of our list archive?
Kare



On Tue, 18 Feb 2020, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries wrote:




Emacs with Emacspeak provides a great text editor, along with a shell that I 
think is somewhat usable, its main advantage being, to me, that unlike most 
terminals, Emas’ Shell allows one to read not just a page of output, but entire 
history. Something like TDSR with Screen, the shell command, may allow this as 
well, but gosh being able to search the history is great. TDSR, though, is the 
best terminal screen reader on Mac for more interactive commands, or things 
like SSH, Tintin, and other such connectors to remote services.




On Feb 18, 2020, at 12:43 PM, Nebojsa Tasic  wrote:


Hi Devin!


Is Emacs with Emacspeak the tool that can replace Voice Over?


On 13.2.2020. 16:40, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries wrote:



Try TDSR: https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr

If you want a more complete workspace, try Emacs with Emacspeak: 
https://gist.github.com/devinprater/a794a448ccc46e72fca63c932105c043






On Feb 13, 2020, at 3:02 AM, Nebojsa Tasic  wrote:


Hi All!


Could you recommend me a program or add-on for more accessible work in Terminal?


Thanks in advance.



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Re: Bring back your Mac's startup chime with this simple terminal command, 9 to 5 Mac

[Dave Carlson]

Simon,
Okay, I guess I’m just not doing the right thing in this terminal window.
I run terminal.app from my Applications/Utilities folder
I hear some stuff about my name and the last login.
Is this where I simply paste that text? I’ve done so, and never get a request 
for my password, so I think my problem is right here.


Dave Carlson
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Re: Accessible Terminal

[Jonathan Cohn]

I have barely used the Catalina terminal, and I have not heard anything about 
it being more accessible. I have always been able to navigate via word and 
character with the Mac terminal program and it certainly was less frustrating 
than using an SSH client I was forced to use on Windows 10 years ago with JAWS. 
The trick was one clear out the buffer occasionally with command-k and make 
sure you interact with the text. So before I did anything that might produce a 
lot of output I always clear out the scroll back buffer or redirect the output 
using the tee program.
Jonathan
 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Feb 22, 2020, at 2:49 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> If you find the terminal sufficiently accessible with VoiceOver, then 
> obviously you don’t need to do anything further. In my experience, the 
> terminal is usable in Catalina with VoiceOver. However, I wouldn’t wish to 
> use it for running text editors or other interactive applications a lot, as 
> it’s rather awkward. To do that, I would much rather run Linux and use the 
> console directly (and, fortunately, my other laptop has Linux installed in a 
> dual-boot configuration).
>  
>  
> From:  on behalf of Nebojsa Tasic 
> 
> Reply-To: 
> Date: Saturday, February 22, 2020 at 11:01
> To: 
> Subject: Re: Accessible Terminal
>  
>  
> I installed Homebrew in order to prepare environment for TDSR. During 
> instalation I noticed that I can read in Terminal line by line and word by 
> word. Does that mean that Terminal became accessible in Catalina? Maybe I 
> will not need to install TDSR.
>  
> On 18.2.2020. 22:55, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Sorry, I’ll add links:
>>  
>> TDSR: https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr 
>>  
>> Emacs: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/ 
>> 
>>  
>> Emacspeak: https://github.com/tvraman/emacspeak 
>> 
>>  
>> A guide (contributions welcome), on installing Emacs and Emacspeak on the 
>> Mac and working with it: 
>> https://gist.github.com/devinprater/a794a448ccc46e72fca63c932105c043 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 18, 2020, at 3:02 PM, Karen Lewellen >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> devin,
>>> Do you mind adding a link to the tdsr program for the sake of our list 
>>> archive?
>>> Kare
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 18 Feb 2020, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 Emacs with Emacspeak provides a great text editor, along with a shell that 
 I think is somewhat usable, its main advantage being, to me, that unlike 
 most terminals, Emas’ Shell allows one to read not just a page of output, 
 but entire history. Something like TDSR with Screen, the shell command, 
 may allow this as well, but gosh being able to search the history is 
 great. TDSR, though, is the best terminal screen reader on Mac for more 
 interactive commands, or things like SSH, Tintin, and other such 
 connectors to remote services.
 
 
> On Feb 18, 2020, at 12:43 PM, Nebojsa Tasic  > wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Devin!
> 
> 
> Is Emacs with Emacspeak the tool that can replace Voice Over?
> 
> 
> On 13.2.2020. 16:40, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Try TDSR: https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr 
>> 
>> 
>> If you want a more complete workspace, try Emacs with Emacspeak: 
>> https://gist.github.com/devinprater/a794a448ccc46e72fca63c932105c043 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 13, 2020, at 3:02 AM, Nebojsa Tasic >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi All!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Could you recommend me a program or add-on for more accessible work in 
>>> Terminal?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Inspect element in Chrome

[Jonathan Cohn]

This might be one of those cases where turning off cursor tracking is required. 
Generally, I avoid chrome with Mac except for testing that specifically 
requires it. 

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Feb 23, 2020, at 7:42 AM, Nebojsa Tasic  wrote:
> 
> 
> I have to inspect elements in Chrome and copy them and their XPaths. When I 
> press Inspect element, Voice Over reads the element but than focus changes to 
> somewhere else and I can't return back to the element.
> 
> On Windows when I press Inspect element focus stays on the element. Than I 
> press applications key and choose copy element and copy XPath.
> 
> Could you tell me how to do this on Mac?
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Re: Bluetooth keyboards and Web sites in IOS

[Jonathan Cohn]

Well, my lab is supposed to put the beta on my iPad. This will be the first 
time in five years that I have used Mac beta software. Guidance?

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Feb 13, 2020, at 11:07 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jonathan,
> 
> Not that I'm aware of, but that really doesn't mean that there isn't.  I may 
> just not know about it.  I, too, looked around for the Full Keyboard Access 
> that is supposed to be a feature of iPadOS and iOS 13 according to
> 
> https://appletoolbox.com/use-an-iphone-or-ipad-without-touch-how-to-use-full-keyboard-access-to-do-just-that/
>  
> 
> 
> but I'm wondering if it is not yet actually released.  I'm hoping that it is 
> a part of 13.4.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Feb 12, 2020, at 08:37, Jonathan Cohn  > wrote:
> 
> Is there anyway to simulate a what the tab key does in web pages on Computers 
> while using a Bluetooth keyboard connected to an iPad? There has been some 
> mention of “Full keyboard Access” in the accessibility menus, but I can’t 
> find that. 
> Thanks!
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Re: Bring back your Mac's startup chime with this simple terminal command, 9 to 5 Mac

[Dave Carlson]

Simon,
Okay, finally got it working.
First, I thought it was that I needed to press return after pasting, but in 
actuality, immediately after pasting, I heard “Password”. Then I typed my 
password and hit enter.
That got it working.
It’s a subtle, and fairly quiet sound. Any way to bring up the volume of that 
sound?


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Re: Audio description on CBS all access using iPhone or Apple TV

[Peg Jolene]

Actually, there is some audio description on CBS All Access. I haven't had much 
luck getting it to work consistently, however. With reference to Star Trek 
Picard, I got it to work on my iPhone. The app  is not especially accessible so 
one needs patience in using a combination of explore by touch and general 
iPhone VoiceOver gestures. Start an episode, then tap until controls and 
buttons appear. Locate the settings button, activate this, and audio and 
subtitle options should appear. Swipe right through subtitles and audio options 
until you find English-AD. Activate it and return to your episode. The process 
may need to be repeated per show or episode. your experience may change from 
device to device. For example, I can play Star Trek discovery with the 
scription on my Apple TV, but not on my phone. Have fun! 

Peg Jolene


> On Feb 23, 2020, at 5:26 AM, Patrick Ford  wrote:
> 
> CBS All Access does not have any audio description. In all their content 
> there is no AD  available.
> Too bad, right?
> Patrick 
> 
>> On Feb 22, 2020, at 9:57 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Has anyone had success finding how to access audio description in the CBS 
>> all axis app on either your iPhone or your Apple TV? I am interested in the 
>> new Star Trek Picard series, and I understand it’s supposedly has audio 
>> description. A friend of mine, who watches this series with sided friends, 
>> says that those folks tried to access audible description, but were not 
>> successful. I don’t know exactly what they did, hence my question. How do 
>> you get audio description on CBS all axis with an iPhone or an Apple TV?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Audio description on CBS all access using iPhone or Apple TV

[Patrick Ford]

oh hey this is interesting news.
I have cbs  all access and will give this a try. I have ad turned on in both my 
device and mac laptop, so I thought it would work this way. I will give your 
instructions a try. Thanks.
patrick 

> On Feb 23, 2020, at 1:54 PM, Peg Jolene  wrote:
> 
> Actually, there is some audio description on CBS All Access. I haven't had 
> much luck getting it to work consistently, however. With reference to Star 
> Trek Picard, I got it to work on my iPhone. The app  is not especially 
> accessible so one needs patience in using a combination of explore by touch 
> and general iPhone VoiceOver gestures. Start an episode, then tap until 
> controls and buttons appear. Locate the settings button, activate this, and 
> audio and subtitle options should appear. Swipe right through subtitles and 
> audio options until you find English-AD. Activate it and return to your 
> episode. The process may need to be repeated per show or episode. your 
> experience may change from device to device. For example, I can play Star 
> Trek discovery with the scription on my Apple TV, but not on my phone. Have 
> fun! 
> 
> Peg Jolene
> 
> 
>> On Feb 23, 2020, at 5:26 AM, Patrick Ford  wrote:
>> 
>> CBS All Access does not have any audio description. In all their content 
>> there is no AD  available.
>> Too bad, right?
>> Patrick 
>> 
>>> On Feb 22, 2020, at 9:57 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Has anyone had success finding how to access audio description in the CBS 
>>> all axis app on either your iPhone or your Apple TV? I am interested in the 
>>> new Star Trek Picard series, and I understand it’s supposedly has audio 
>>> description. A friend of mine, who watches this series with sided friends, 
>>> says that those folks tried to access audible description, but were not 
>>> successful. I don’t know exactly what they did, hence my question. How do 
>>> you get audio description on CBS all axis with an iPhone or an Apple TV?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: best twitter apps

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Ah, thanks.
Donna


> On Feb 21, 2020, at 9:02 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi Donna. Night Owl actually is Yorufukurou. They Just Changed the name.  
>  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Feb 21, 2020, at 6:45 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi Shawn,
>> 
>> I know what you mean about VO notifications interrupting other things, but I 
>> guess I’ve just gotten used to it. I had Yurifuquru (sp) on my Mac, but my 
>> understanding is that it doesn’t work any more.  I’ll give Night Owl a try. 
>> Thanks for the suggestion.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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>>> On Feb 21, 2020, at 12:14 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
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>>> Hi Donna. I still use Night Owl on my Mac. Even though I'm not really 
>>> happy with them seeing as how they've removed Growl as a method for 
>>> notifications. Yeah, I know I'm a little old fashioned, but I really liked 
>>> Growl over notification center. Maybe if Apple made it so that 
>>> notifications didn't interrupt what Voiceover is reading to me, I'd like it 
>>> more.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Shawn,
>>> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
>>> 
>>> Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility 
>>> Matters or my new group, Mac Users And Newbies? Send me a private email 
>>> with your contact information and I'll happily add you.
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> On Feb 20, 2020, at 6:25 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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 Hi all,
 
 What are the best twitter apps these days for Mac and IOS?
 Thanks,
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Re: Accessible Terminal

[dan d.]

Try it, it works in the bash shell in termimal.

On Sun, 23 Feb 2020, Nebojsa Tasic wrote:

>
> I use Terminal for running a PHP framework. I'm pleased how it works now.
>
> The only thing, on Windows, using up arrow,?? I can select previous used
> commands and don't have to type them again. Is it possible on Mac?
>
>
> On 22.2.2020. 20:49, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> >
> > If you find the terminal sufficiently accessible with VoiceOver, then
> > obviously you don???t need to do anything further. In my experience, the
> > terminal is usable in Catalina with VoiceOver. However, I wouldn???t
> > wish to use it for running text editors or other interactive
> > applications a lot, as it???s rather awkward. To do that, I would much
> > rather run Linux and use the console directly (and, fortunately, my
> > other laptop has Linux installed in a dual-boot configuration).
> >
> > *From: * on behalf of Nebojsa Tasic
> > 
> > *Reply-To: *
> > *Date: *Saturday, February 22, 2020 at 11:01
> > *To: *
> > *Subject: *Re: Accessible Terminal
> >
> > I installed Homebrew in order to prepare environment for TDSR. During
> > instalation I noticed that I can read in Terminal line by line and
> > word by word. Does that mean that Terminal became accessible in
> > Catalina? Maybe I will not need to install TDSR.
> >
> > On 18.2.2020. 22:55, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> >
> > Sorry, I???ll add links:
> >
> > TDSR: https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr
> >
> > Emacs: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/
> >
> > Emacspeak: https://github.com/tvraman/emacspeak
> >
> > A guide (contributions welcome), on installing Emacs and Emacspeak
> > on the Mac and working with it:
> > https://gist.github.com/devinprater/a794a448ccc46e72fca63c932105c043
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 18, 2020, at 3:02 PM, Karen Lewellen
> > mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > devin,
> > Do you mind adding a link to the tdsr program for the sake of
> > our list archive?
> > Kare
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 18 Feb 2020, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> >
> >
> > Emacs with Emacspeak provides a great text editor, along
> > with a shell that I think is somewhat usable, its main
> > advantage being, to me, that unlike most terminals, Emas???
> > Shell allows one to read not just a page of output, but
> > entire history. Something like TDSR with Screen, the shell
> > command, may allow this as well, but gosh being able to
> > search the history is great. TDSR, though, is the best
> > terminal screen reader on Mac for more interactive
> > commands, or things like SSH, Tintin, and other such
> > connectors to remote services.
> >
> >
> > On Feb 18, 2020, at 12:43 PM, Nebojsa Tasic
> > mailto:nele.ta...@gmail.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi Devin!
> >
> >
> > Is Emacs with Emacspeak the tool that can replace
> > Voice Over?
> >
> >
> > On 13.2.2020. 16:40, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries
> > wrote:
> >
> > Try TDSR: https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr
> >
> > If you want a more complete workspace, try Emacs
> > with Emacspeak:
> > 
> > https://gist.github.com/devinprater/a794a448ccc46e72fca63c932105c043
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 13, 2020, at 3:02 AM, Nebojsa Tasic
> >  > > wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi All!
> >
> >
> > Could you recommend me a program or add-on for
> > more accessible work in Terminal?
> >
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
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Re: Bring back your Mac's startup chime with this simple terminal command, 9 to 5 Mac

[Dave Carlson]

Hello,
As reported earlier, I was able to bring up the Mac Startup sound. However, the 
volume is low. Where do I go to increase that particular channel volume/


Dave Carlson
Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian






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