PDF files with annotations & Voiceover

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

This is a bit of an SOS message.  I’ve just received a pdf file from my tutor 
outlining the comments on my latest essay.  I can’t read any comments in 
Preview.  All I get is “image image image” as I vo+down arrow through the text 
of the original submission.  Is there a way of reading somebody else’s 
annotation in a PDF file?  Accessibility sometimes feels like an ongoing 
nightmare.  One thing becomes available only to be replaced by another.

In desperation 

Andrew

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Re: Smart refrigerators

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hi, Sarai:

I have no personal experience. However, I have been on LG's
Accessibility Acvisory Committee for quite a few years, and I can report
they demonstrated their smart refridgerator to one of our meetings. I
haven, however, not personally tried to use the app.

Janina

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> 
> My fridge crashed. I was looking at the smart fridges. Anyone have one? Are
> the apps accessible? 
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Re: Accessibility problems on the Libby app

[Mary Otten]

Hi Mark,
Well, I did just now try overdrive. Unfortunately, you cannot activate the edit 
box into which you are supposed to type your library card number after you 
found your library. You also can’t activate the other box into which you are 
supposed to type your pin number or password. So I don’t understand how they 
can say this is more accessible than the other app. Seems to me they’re both 
duds.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 15, 2018, at 10:44 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> Hello Mary,
> 
> Libby is made by the same company that develops OverDrive.  Last I heard, 
> about two months or so ago, the company stated that, for the time being, 
> VoiceOver users should continue to use OverDrive in order to access their 
> borrowed library titles.  
> 
> Mark 
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> Subject: Accessibility problems on the Libby app
> 
> I just renewed my library card with our local library, which is part of a big 
> consortium of public libraries here in Oregon. They are now using the Libby 
> app to allow you to read books or audiobooks. Signing in worked well enough. 
> But then the problems begin. There are lots of unlabeled buttons, and other 
> buttons which are labeled, don’t work when you double tap them with voiceover 
> enabled. For instance, when you go to set your list preferences, there are a 
> whole series of buttons for setting things like the format you prefer the 
> language you prefer, the audience of the book that you want, like for 
> instance young adult, children, general content etc. None of those activate 
> when you double tap with voiceover active. On a previous screen there is a 
> thing where you can tell the app whether or not you have a Kindle and whether 
> you will be reading mostly on your Kindle. I hit that button, but it didn’t 
> activate unfortunately. So I am not sure how I’m going to ever get a book to 
> my Kindle. And I’m not even sure how I’m going to get books. I tried to place 
> a hold on the book, and double tap the place hold button. As far as I know, 
> nothing happened. Somehow I managed to read part of the sample of this book. 
> But then when I double tapped on the back button to get out to the screen 
> which had shown me this and other listings, that button didn’t activate. Has 
> anybody had any luck with his app? Or should I just give it up and forget 
> about the fact that I just wasted my time going downtown to activate my 
> library card again? It’s really annoying.
> Mary
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Re: working with OneDrive on the web using Voiceover

[Simon Fogarty]

One drive on the Mac can be a pain in the A,

The basic one drive only gives you 5GB off storage and then you have to pay for 
more.

 You can get to one drive through a web browser  But I’m sorry off the top of 
my head I can’t remember the URL.

Might be worth while looking at that, but it should be a drag and drop between 
OD and  finder

Simon Fogarty
Dunedin, NZ

Em: si...@fogarty.net.

On 18/08/2018, at 3:12 AM, Pavel Yefetov 
mailto:pyefe...@gmail.com>> wrote:

go to settinks and chose the extra setinks in onedrive side bor
un chek a fiu folldorspavlo yefetov

четверг, 16 августа 2018 г., 23:34:31 UTC+3 пользователь Andrew написал:
Hi,

I’ve installed OneDrive on my mac.  For as long as I choose to sync all the 
files and folders in OneDrive folder on my mac to the OneDrive on the web, 
things are relatively easy.  But as my OneDrive folder is big, I thought I’d 
save space on my mac by not syncing all the folders with my computer.  However, 
now I am not sure how to move a file from my mac to OneDrive web folder.  Is 
there a way to manage files and folders directly on the web in OneDrive using 
voiceover?

Thanks for any tips

Andrew

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RE: Smart refrigerators

[Simon Fogarty]

Hang on,

 A smart refrigerator?

 Really?

 Does it open the beer bottle before it hands it to you?

 Will it know when to thor out my frozen chicken before I go to cook it?

And the really important question, will it know if I put a bottle of red wine 
in the fridge that it should only be kept at room temp?

If it can't do those things then its not smart enough for me.

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From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Sunday, 19 August 2018 8:21 AM
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Subject: Re: Smart refrigerators

Hi, Sarai:

I have no personal experience. However, I have been on LG's Accessibility 
Acvisory Committee for quite a few years, and I can report they demonstrated 
their smart refridgerator to one of our meetings. I haven, however, not 
personally tried to use the app.

Janina

Sarai Bucciarelli writes:
> Hi all:
> 
>  
> 
> My fridge crashed. I was looking at the smart fridges. Anyone have 
> one? Are the apps accessible?
> 
>  
> 
> Sarai D Bucciarelli  
> www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
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RE: PDF files with annotations & Voiceover

[Simon Fogarty]

Have you tried an OCR package over the PDF file or actually tell them it's 
unreadable?

-Original Message-
From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Sunday, 19 August 2018 8:18 AM
To: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: PDF files with annotations & Voiceover

Hi,

This is a bit of an SOS message.  I’ve just received a pdf file from my tutor 
outlining the comments on my latest essay.  I can’t read any comments in 
Preview.  All I get is “image image image” as I vo+down arrow through the text 
of the original submission.  Is there a way of reading somebody else’s 
annotation in a PDF file?  Accessibility sometimes feels like an ongoing 
nightmare.  One thing becomes available only to be replaced by another.

In desperation 

Andrew

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RE: Smart refrigerators

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

With the price of them, it better do all the above.
All fridges are stupid touch screens. Bought the lesser of two evils.
Did get one of the Kenmores with the grab-and-go doors.


Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 7:37 PM
To: 'macvisionaries@googlegroups.com' 
Subject: RE: Smart refrigerators

Hang on,

 A smart refrigerator?

 Really?

 Does it open the beer bottle before it hands it to you?

 Will it know when to thor out my frozen chicken before I go to cook it?

And the really important question, will it know if I put a bottle of red wine 
in the fridge that it should only be kept at room temp?

If it can't do those things then its not smart enough for me.

-Original Message-
From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Sunday, 19 August 2018 8:21 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Cc: viph...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Smart refrigerators

Hi, Sarai:

I have no personal experience. However, I have been on LG's Accessibility 
Acvisory Committee for quite a few years, and I can report they demonstrated 
their smart refridgerator to one of our meetings. I haven, however, not 
personally tried to use the app.

Janina

Sarai Bucciarelli writes:
> Hi all:
> 
>  
> 
> My fridge crashed. I was looking at the smart fridges. Anyone have 
> one? Are the apps accessible?
> 
>  
> 
> Sarai D Bucciarelli  
> www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
> 
>  
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Re: Accessibility problems on the Libby app

[Daniel Chavez]

Good day,
I myself am a user overdrive, and use it quite successfully. I can try to see 
how to describe it resolution to your problem when I have time.
Libby never worked successfully for me.

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RE: Smart refrigerators

[Simon Fogarty]

Ok, I'll ask.

What's a grab and go door?

 Is that like grand theft larsenie  for a fridge or what?

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Sarai Bucciarelli
Sent: Sunday, 19 August 2018 12:41 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Smart refrigerators

With the price of them, it better do all the above.
All fridges are stupid touch screens. Bought the lesser of two evils.
Did get one of the Kenmores with the grab-and-go doors.


Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 7:37 PM
To: 'macvisionaries@googlegroups.com' 
Subject: RE: Smart refrigerators

Hang on,

 A smart refrigerator?

 Really?

 Does it open the beer bottle before it hands it to you?

 Will it know when to thor out my frozen chicken before I go to cook it?

And the really important question, will it know if I put a bottle of red wine 
in the fridge that it should only be kept at room temp?

If it can't do those things then its not smart enough for me.

-Original Message-
From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Sunday, 19 August 2018 8:21 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Cc: viph...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Smart refrigerators

Hi, Sarai:

I have no personal experience. However, I have been on LG's Accessibility 
Acvisory Committee for quite a few years, and I can report they demonstrated 
their smart refridgerator to one of our meetings. I haven, however, not 
personally tried to use the app.

Janina

Sarai Bucciarelli writes:
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Re: Accessibility problems on the Libby app

[Maria Reyes]

hi all, 
Talking about book apps, Has anyone tried Scribd if so how accessible is it?

> On Aug 18, 2018, at 8:47 PM, Daniel Chavez  wrote:
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> I myself am a user overdrive, and use it quite successfully. I can try to see 
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Re: Accessibility problems on the Libby app

[Daniel Chavez]

Good day,
I have just logged into my library system using OverDrive successfully.
Make sure that you have the latest version of OverDrive, and try again if you 
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Re: Accessibility problems on the Libby app

[Mary Otten]

Hi Daniel,
I have when I take to be the latest version of overdrive, since I just 
downloaded it yesterday. I already have an account through Libby with my 
library is in my library card. So, I attempted to login with that account, 
which requires the library card and the pin. Neither edit field would become 
active with voiceover in abled. Are you saying that you can successfully create 
a login using your library card number and pin with voiceover active? That’s 
very interesting. I’m using an iPhone 7 Plus with the latest version of iOS, 
not the beta.
Mary hi Daniel,
I have what I take to be the latest version of overdrive, since I just 
downloaded it yesterday. I already have an account through Libby with my  
library card. So, I attempted to login with that account, which requires the 
library card number and the pin. Neither edit field would become active with 
voiceover enabled. Are you saying that you can successfully login using your 
library card number and pin with voiceover active? That’s very interesting. I’m 
using an iPhone 7 Plus with the latest version of iOS, not the beta.
Mary


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Re: Accessibility problems on the Libby app

[Daniel Chavez]

Hi there,
Interesting that you have such an issue with OverDrive, I'm wondering whether 
or not Overdrive is more for an iPhone 8 or above, and that it doesn't work too 
well with your 7 plus and iOS 11?
Knowing your issue in detail, I can't really say I can be of much help, but 
maybe some other list member's can? It's just odd that you are having so many 
issue's with the OverDrive application.
If it is Libby that you are talking about, however, then Libby is known to have 
major issues. I could never get Libby to work for me.
I hope there is a solution to your issue soon. My apologies I couldn't be of 
more help with your issue.

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RE: Accessibility problems on the Libby app

[M. Taylor]

Hello,

Mary, the library card and PIN number fields are completely accessible via 
VoiceOver.

Have you attempted to find these fields using the explore by touch, method?  

Just so you know, after receiving your post, I signed out of one of my 
libraries, turned on the screen curtain, so I could not use any vision 
whatsoever, and was able to successfully enter both my library card and PIN 
number in the app, using the explore by touch, method.  I performed this on 
both my 6 Plus and 8 Plus; both with the latest release of iOS.

Mark

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Hi there,
Interesting that you have such an issue with OverDrive, I'm wondering whether 
or not Overdrive is more for an iPhone 8 or above, and that it doesn't work too 
well with your 7 plus and iOS 11?
Knowing your issue in detail, I can't really say I can be of much help, but 
maybe some other list member's can? It's just odd that you are having so many 
issue's with the OverDrive application.
If it is Libby that you are talking about, however, then Libby is known to have 
major issues. I could never get Libby to work for me.
I hope there is a solution to your issue soon. My apologies I couldn't be of 
more help with your issue.

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Re: Accessibility problems on the Libby app

[Daniel McGee]

Hi Mary .Hi Mary, another Daniel here.

I too had major issues with the libby app with audiobooks so I switched to
overdrive. In my case, I was lucky enough that I was able to find my
library in the overdrive app.

While overdrive isn't perfect, its better and certainly more usable
 than libby . Its a shane , because libby could have  so muchPotential,
if VO and accessibility  was  implemented more into the app.



> On 19 Aug 2018, at 03:51, Dani.el Chavez 
> Hi there,
> Interesting that you have such an issue with OverDrive, I'm wondering
whether or not Overdrive is more for an iPhone 8 or above, and that it
doesn't work too well with your 7 plus and iOS 11?
> Knowing your issue in detail, I can't really say I can be of much help,
but maybe some other list member's can? It's just odd that you are having
so many issue's with the OverDrive application.
> If it is Libby that you are talking about, however, then Libby is known
to have major issues. I could never get Libby to work for me.
> I hope there is a solution to your issue soon. My apologies I couldn't be
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Help working with spreadsheets in Numbers?

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Hi!

Desperately need some help with Numbers.  I feel kind of daft asking
this, though, because it seems like it should be obvious!  But
apparently not.  Anyway, I'm trying to copy data from one spreadsheet
to another.  But, although Numbers/VO seem perfectly happy to let me
select a row, I can't for the life of me get it to select a single
column so I can copy the data into the corresponding column in the new
sheet!  I've tried every keystroke I can think of, but none of them
will simply select the next cell down the column without selecting the
entire row as well.  So can anyone tell me if/how I do that?  Thanks!
If there's a way, it'd be an enormous help!  Because, otherwise, I'm
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Re: Accessibility problems on the Libby app

[Mary Otten]

Hi Mark,
Well, yes, I did trying to explore by touch to get to the fields. They weren’t 
on the Visible screen that is visible to me with voiceover. I could flick to 
them, but when I tried to move to them by doing a three finger flick up to 
advance the screen, it didn’t work. Similarly, three finger flick left didn’t 
advance the screen. I didn’t think it would. I expected three finger flick up 
to move the screen to where I could explore by touch to get to the relevant 
field. No luck.


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> On Aug 18, 2018, at 8:58 PM, Daniel McGee  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary .Hi Mary, another Daniel here. 
> 
> I too had major issues with the libby app with audiobooks so I switched to 
> overdrive. In my case, I was lucky enough that I was able to find my library 
> in the overdrive app.
> 
> While overdrive isn't perfect, its better and certainly more usable  
> than libby . Its a shane , because libby could have  so muchPotential, if 
> VO and accessibility  was  implemented more into the app.
> 
> 
> 
> > On 19 Aug 2018, at 03:51, Dani.el Chavez  > 
> > Hi there,
> > Interesting that you have such an issue with OverDrive, I'm wondering 
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> > doesn't work too well with your 7 plus and iOS 11?
> > Knowing your issue in detail, I can't really say I can be of much help, but 
> > maybe some other list member's can? It's just odd that you are having so 
> > many issue's with the OverDrive application.
> > If it is Libby that you are talking about, however, then Libby is known to 
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