Accessible mail apps for iPad

[Daniel McGee]

Hi all

Normally, I would be happy with using the default mail app and be done with it. 
So, I don't know if it's the user interface or error on my part but I'm really 
not liking how the mail app works with VO with the iPad layout.

So unless anyone can tell me if I'm using the iPad wrongly with the mail app or 
give suggestions for alternative mail apps for the iPad. This would be greatly 
appreciated.

Thanks

Daniel 

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Re: Accessible mail apps for iPad

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

What sort of problems are you having with the native app?  Do you have multiple 
accounts?  Are you using a external keyboard, or regular VO gestures?  Are you 
in Portrait or Landscape or it just doesn't seem to make a difference?

Normally, when in Portrait mode, the iPad behaves similar to the iPhone.  When 
in Landscape mode, the iPad splits into containers.  There's usually three 
containers, the Mailboxes, the messages and the content of the selected 
message.  This is fairly easy to handle with an external keyboard, but I 
certainly could understand your confusion/frustration in Landscape with no 
keyboard.

If you use G Mail, you may wish to look at Google's G Mail client.  I believe 
it works with other accounts as well, but I don't know for sure.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 10, 2018, at 12:38, Daniel McGee  wrote:

Hi all

Normally, I would be happy with using the default mail app and be done with it. 
So, I don't know if it's the user interface or error on my part but I'm really 
not liking how the mail app works with VO with the iPad layout.

So unless anyone can tell me if I'm using the iPad wrongly with the mail app or 
give suggestions for alternative mail apps for the iPad. This would be greatly 
appreciated.

Thanks

Daniel 

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Re: Accessible mail apps for iPad

[Nickus de Vos]

Hi
Personally I tried quite a few mail clients and just keep going back to the 
native app on both iOS and Mac OS, native Mail works for me.

As mentioned, on the iPad jumping from portrait to landscape might be the thing 
confusing you, personally I keep my iPhone and iPad permanently locked in 
portrait mode and have for a very long time.

My advice would be to get comfortable with the native Mail rather than 
searching for alternative apps. I think in terms of accessibility in future the 
native app is a safer or rather more secure bet. Not that other companies are 
not committed to accessibility, luckily all the big ones are these days, but if 
I have to put money down, it will still be on Apple. 

> On 10 May 2018, at 21:06, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> What sort of problems are you having with the native app?  Do you have 
> multiple accounts?  Are you using a external keyboard, or regular VO 
> gestures?  Are you in Portrait or Landscape or it just doesn't seem to make a 
> difference?
> 
> Normally, when in Portrait mode, the iPad behaves similar to the iPhone.  
> When in Landscape mode, the iPad splits into containers.  There's usually 
> three containers, the Mailboxes, the messages and the content of the selected 
> message.  This is fairly easy to handle with an external keyboard, but I 
> certainly could understand your confusion/frustration in Landscape with no 
> keyboard.
> 
> If you use G Mail, you may wish to look at Google's G Mail client.  I believe 
> it works with other accounts as well, but I don't know for sure.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On May 10, 2018, at 12:38, Daniel McGee  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> Normally, I would be happy with using the default mail app and be done with 
> it. So, I don't know if it's the user interface or error on my part but I'm 
> really not liking how the mail app works with VO with the iPad layout.
> 
> So unless anyone can tell me if I'm using the iPad wrongly with the mail app 
> or give suggestions for alternative mail apps for the iPad. This would be 
> greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Daniel 
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TO upgrade, or to change platforms entirelyWWYDWhat would you do?

[Steve Matzura]

I have a quad core i7 late 2012 Mac Mini with the stock 5400rpm 1TB 
drive and 8GB RAM. I use it exclusively for music reation and education 
(mainly my own) with Logic and Pro Tools. My sample libraries are stored 
on an external MyBook 3TB drive which is also shared with time Machine. 
Consequently, once per hour, there's a little gligtchiness sometimes if 
I happen to be playing something that draws heavily on sampled content 
when TM runs. Granted, it only lasts for a second or two because the 
machine does not require much in the way of backups, as very little on 
it changes.



So I'm starting to think it's time for an upgrade. But what to upgrade?


Clearly more memory would help, as well as replacing the mechanical 
drive with a solid-state drive. There's also the main hardware, which 
surely can't be upgradable to the next operating system forever. I ran 
into this with a 2009 iMac when Sierra was released. For disk 
replacement, Crucial has a 2TB drive for five hundred dollars--that's 
just twenty-five cents US per gig--a very nice price. I'm quite fond of 
Crucial solid-state disks, as I already own two other smaller units used 
in other machine. I figure if I changed out the 1TB rotating drive for a 
2TB SSD and moved all my sample libraries to that drive, that would also 
eliminate the USB 3 slow-down (if there really is one, which I'm not 
convinced there is), then that USB drive would be used exclusively for 
Time Machine backups.



Another option is to purchase an empty Mac Pro and put the Crucial 2TB 
drive and lots of memory into it, then set the rest of it up as above. 
But how long will a Mac Pro last before it, too, can no longer be 
upgraded? With the price of Apple hardware ever increasing, will I 
eventually get priced out of upgrading?



Everybody says it's bad practice to mix system and data files on a 
drive. But if it's a solid-state drive, how could this be bad?



If I obtain a Mac Pro, which model year has the highest expandability 
quotient? i.e., which one can I keep the longest and expand the most 
into the future before it won't be expandable/ upgradable any more, like 
my old 2009 iMac turned out to be when Sierra was released.


So, what would you do?

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Re: TO upgrade, or to change platforms entirelyWWYDWhat would you do?

[Maria Reyes]

I would wait until the new Mac Pro comes out next year. 

Sent from my iPad

> On May 10, 2018, at 9:50 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> I have a quad core i7 late 2012 Mac Mini with the stock 5400rpm 1TB drive and 
> 8GB RAM. I use it exclusively for music reation and education (mainly my own) 
> with Logic and Pro Tools. My sample libraries are stored on an external 
> MyBook 3TB drive which is also shared with time Machine. Consequently, once 
> per hour, there's a little gligtchiness sometimes if I happen to be playing 
> something that draws heavily on sampled content when TM runs. Granted, it 
> only lasts for a second or two because the machine does not require much in 
> the way of backups, as very little on it changes.
> 
> 
> So I'm starting to think it's time for an upgrade. But what to upgrade?
> 
> 
> Clearly more memory would help, as well as replacing the mechanical drive 
> with a solid-state drive. There's also the main hardware, which surely can't 
> be upgradable to the next operating system forever. I ran into this with a 
> 2009 iMac when Sierra was released. For disk replacement, Crucial has a 2TB 
> drive for five hundred dollars--that's just twenty-five cents US per gig--a 
> very nice price. I'm quite fond of Crucial solid-state disks, as I already 
> own two other smaller units used in other machine. I figure if I changed out 
> the 1TB rotating drive for a 2TB SSD and moved all my sample libraries to 
> that drive, that would also eliminate the USB 3 slow-down (if there really is 
> one, which I'm not convinced there is), then that USB drive would be used 
> exclusively for Time Machine backups.
> 
> 
> Another option is to purchase an empty Mac Pro and put the Crucial 2TB drive 
> and lots of memory into it, then set the rest of it up as above. But how long 
> will a Mac Pro last before it, too, can no longer be upgraded? With the price 
> of Apple hardware ever increasing, will I eventually get priced out of 
> upgrading?
> 
> 
> Everybody says it's bad practice to mix system and data files on a drive. But 
> if it's a solid-state drive, how could this be bad?
> 
> 
> If I obtain a Mac Pro, which model year has the highest expandability 
> quotient? i.e., which one can I keep the longest and expand the most into the 
> future before it won't be expandable/ upgradable any more, like my old 2009 
> iMac turned out to be when Sierra was released.
> 
> So, what would you do?
> 
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Re: TO upgrade, or to change platforms entirelyWWYDWhat would you do?

[Steve Matzura]

Great advice, yes, but would that not be about six times the price? I 
just saw this one from 2017 that looks frightfully good. 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Fast-8-CORE-Mac-Pro-OSX-2017-2-8GHz-32GB-Ram-2TB-HD-1GB-HD6870-VIDEO-Warranty/173158663830?hash=item28510f8696:g:ldUAAOSwyXNaRSlf 
Forget the software. The 2T SSD, eight cores and 32GB memory are worth 
the price all by themselves.



On 5/10/2018 10:28 PM, Maria Reyes wrote:

I would wait until the new Mac Pro comes out next year.

Sent from my iPad


On May 10, 2018, at 9:50 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:

I have a quad core i7 late 2012 Mac Mini with the stock 5400rpm 1TB drive and 
8GB RAM. I use it exclusively for music reation and education (mainly my own) 
with Logic and Pro Tools. My sample libraries are stored on an external MyBook 
3TB drive which is also shared with time Machine. Consequently, once per hour, 
there's a little gligtchiness sometimes if I happen to be playing something 
that draws heavily on sampled content when TM runs. Granted, it only lasts for 
a second or two because the machine does not require much in the way of 
backups, as very little on it changes.


So I'm starting to think it's time for an upgrade. But what to upgrade?


Clearly more memory would help, as well as replacing the mechanical drive with 
a solid-state drive. There's also the main hardware, which surely can't be 
upgradable to the next operating system forever. I ran into this with a 2009 
iMac when Sierra was released. For disk replacement, Crucial has a 2TB drive 
for five hundred dollars--that's just twenty-five cents US per gig--a very nice 
price. I'm quite fond of Crucial solid-state disks, as I already own two other 
smaller units used in other machine. I figure if I changed out the 1TB rotating 
drive for a 2TB SSD and moved all my sample libraries to that drive, that would 
also eliminate the USB 3 slow-down (if there really is one, which I'm not 
convinced there is), then that USB drive would be used exclusively for Time 
Machine backups.


Another option is to purchase an empty Mac Pro and put the Crucial 2TB drive 
and lots of memory into it, then set the rest of it up as above. But how long 
will a Mac Pro last before it, too, can no longer be upgraded? With the price 
of Apple hardware ever increasing, will I eventually get priced out of 
upgrading?


Everybody says it's bad practice to mix system and data files on a drive. But 
if it's a solid-state drive, how could this be bad?


If I obtain a Mac Pro, which model year has the highest expandability quotient? 
i.e., which one can I keep the longest and expand the most into the future 
before it won't be expandable/ upgradable any more, like my old 2009 iMac 
turned out to be when Sierra was released.

So, what would you do?

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Re: TO upgrade, or to change platforms entirelyWWYDWhat would you do?

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hi Steve. Every Mac has a seven year life cycle. Therefore, your 2012 Mac will 
still be good until at least next year. With that being said, if you do go the 
Mac Pro route, I'd suggest that you buy the newest one you can afford. So if 
you bought, let's say a 2016 model, that machine would still be good until 
around 2023. Hope that helps with your decision.

Shawn
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> On May 10, 2018, at 9:59 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> Great advice, yes, but would that not be about six times the price? I just 
> saw this one from 2017 that looks frightfully good. 
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Fast-8-CORE-Mac-Pro-OSX-2017-2-8GHz-32GB-Ram-2TB-HD-1GB-HD6870-VIDEO-Warranty/173158663830?hash=item28510f8696:g:ldUAAOSwyXNaRSlf
>  Forget the software. The 2T SSD, eight cores and 32GB memory are worth the 
> price all by themselves.
> 
> 
> On 5/10/2018 10:28 PM, Maria Reyes wrote:
>> I would wait until the new Mac Pro comes out next year.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On May 10, 2018, at 9:50 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have a quad core i7 late 2012 Mac Mini with the stock 5400rpm 1TB drive 
>>> and 8GB RAM. I use it exclusively for music reation and education (mainly 
>>> my own) with Logic and Pro Tools. My sample libraries are stored on an 
>>> external MyBook 3TB drive which is also shared with time Machine. 
>>> Consequently, once per hour, there's a little gligtchiness sometimes if I 
>>> happen to be playing something that draws heavily on sampled content when 
>>> TM runs. Granted, it only lasts for a second or two because the machine 
>>> does not require much in the way of backups, as very little on it changes.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So I'm starting to think it's time for an upgrade. But what to upgrade?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Clearly more memory would help, as well as replacing the mechanical drive 
>>> with a solid-state drive. There's also the main hardware, which surely 
>>> can't be upgradable to the next operating system forever. I ran into this 
>>> with a 2009 iMac when Sierra was released. For disk replacement, Crucial 
>>> has a 2TB drive for five hundred dollars--that's just twenty-five cents US 
>>> per gig--a very nice price. I'm quite fond of Crucial solid-state disks, as 
>>> I already own two other smaller units used in other machine. I figure if I 
>>> changed out the 1TB rotating drive for a 2TB SSD and moved all my sample 
>>> libraries to that drive, that would also eliminate the USB 3 slow-down (if 
>>> there really is one, which I'm not convinced there is), then that USB drive 
>>> would be used exclusively for Time Machine backups.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Another option is to purchase an empty Mac Pro and put the Crucial 2TB 
>>> drive and lots of memory into it, then set the rest of it up as above. But 
>>> how long will a Mac Pro last before it, too, can no longer be upgraded? 
>>> With the price of Apple hardware ever increasing, will I eventually get 
>>> priced out of upgrading?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Everybody says it's bad practice to mix system and data files on a drive. 
>>> But if it's a solid-state drive, how could this be bad?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If I obtain a Mac Pro, which model year has the highest expandability 
>>> quotient? i.e., which one can I keep the longest and expand the most into 
>>> the future before it won't be expandable/ upgradable any more, like my old 
>>> 2009 iMac turned out to be when Sierra was released.
>>> 
>>> So, what would you do?
>>> 
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Re: TO upgrade, or to change platforms entirely - WWYDWhat would you do?

[Steve Matzura]

It does. I just might go for that 2017 model. For the price, it sure 
looks like one gets a lot. I didn't see anything on the specs about how 
many and what kinds of ports are on it. Will have to look it over again 
more closely.



On 5/10/2018 11:08 PM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:
Hi Steve. Every Mac has a seven year life cycle. Therefore, your 2012 
Mac will still be good until at least next year. With that being said, 
if you do go the Mac Pro route, I'd suggest that you buy the newest 
one you can afford. So if you bought, let's say a 2016 model, that 
machine would still be good until around 2023. Hope that helps with 
your decision.


Shawn
Sent From My New MacBook Air
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 

On May 10, 2018, at 9:59 PM, Steve Matzura > wrote:


Great advice, yes, but would that not be about six times the price? I 
just saw this one from 2017 that looks frightfully good. 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Fast-8-CORE-Mac-Pro-OSX-2017-2-8GHz-32GB-Ram-2TB-HD-1GB-HD6870-VIDEO-Warranty/173158663830?hash=item28510f8696:g:ldUAAOSwyXNaRSlf 
Forget the software. The 2T SSD, eight cores and 32GB memory are 
worth the price all by themselves.



On 5/10/2018 10:28 PM, Maria Reyes wrote:

I would wait until the new Mac Pro comes out next year.

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On May 10, 2018, at 9:50 PM, Steve Matzura > wrote:


I have a quad core i7 late 2012 Mac Mini with the stock 5400rpm 1TB 
drive and 8GB RAM. I use it exclusively for music reation and 
education (mainly my own) with Logic and Pro Tools. My sample 
libraries are stored on an external MyBook 3TB drive which is also 
shared with time Machine. Consequently, once per hour, there's a 
little gligtchiness sometimes if I happen to be playing something 
that draws heavily on sampled content when TM runs. Granted, it 
only lasts for a second or two because the machine does not require 
much in the way of backups, as very little on it changes.



So I'm starting to think it's time for an upgrade. But what to upgrade?


Clearly more memory would help, as well as replacing the mechanical 
drive with a solid-state drive. There's also the main hardware, 
which surely can't be upgradable to the next operating system 
forever. I ran into this with a 2009 iMac when Sierra was released. 
For disk replacement, Crucial has a 2TB drive for five hundred 
dollars--that's just twenty-five cents US per gig--a very nice 
price. I'm quite fond of Crucial solid-state disks, as I already 
own two other smaller units used in other machine. I figure if I 
changed out the 1TB rotating drive for a 2TB SSD and moved all my 
sample libraries to that drive, that would also eliminate the USB 3 
slow-down (if there really is one, which I'm not convinced there 
is), then that USB drive would be used exclusively for Time Machine 
backups.



Another option is to purchase an empty Mac Pro and put the Crucial 
2TB drive and lots of memory into it, then set the rest of it up as 
above. But how long will a Mac Pro last before it, too, can no 
longer be upgraded? With the price of Apple hardware ever 
increasing, will I eventually get priced out of upgrading?



Everybody says it's bad practice to mix system and data files on a 
drive. But if it's a solid-state drive, how could this be bad?



If I obtain a Mac Pro, which model year has the highest 
expandability quotient? i.e., which one can I keep the longest and 
expand the most into the future before it won't be expandable/ 
upgradable any more, like my old 2009 iMac turned out to be when 
Sierra was released.


So, what would you do?

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