RE: What use do you find from your Apple TV?

[Simon Fogarty]

Well, I do own the 4K apple tv and ET has got it pretty good from my view,

Since the last update I'm not able to turn my tv on with the apple tv remote 

The controls after constant playing with the rota still don't work that well in 
3rd party apps such as a local tv companys streaming product, it use to 
workexcelantly another product I use called Emby is also playing up under IOS 
11 


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
Sent: Wednesday, 14 March 2018 4:13 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What use do you find from your Apple TV?

Hi ET!
Until you actually own a product you don't know what its really like.
I hear this all the time when engineers try too say what a Bill Bradley 
modified Neumann u87 microphone sounds like.
I use the Neumann u87  every day in my recording studio and  have first hand 
knowledge what the real story is! :) I can discern "Fake News" because i know 
the genuine!!!
As for "POTUS" respect the office and Pray for peace!
Talk soon
Chuck


"God does not play dice with the universe"
"Albert Einstein’


On Mar 13, 2018, at 10:53 AM, E.T. wrote:

> Phil,
>   Please do not add legitimacy to the clown in the big white house and 
> his "fake news". (smile)
> 
>   You do understand. I've not seen any serious complaints about the 4th gen's 
> accessibility except with regard to some third party apps. I would be happy 
> to relieve you of your 4th and you can go back to your 3rd.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
> true?
> 
> On 3/13/2018 6:53 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
>> I don’t understand how you can say that the accessibility with the fourth 
>> GEN is fine when you don’t even own one. Am I wrong or did you say you have 
>> the third GEN and then speculated about the fourth GEN saying it’s 
>> accessibility was  fine. Forgive me if I have misunderstood, but this is the 
>> very definition of “fake news“. Actually, I just upgraded from the third GEN 
>> to the fourth GEN and I don’t find accessibility to be find at all. In fact, 
>> it’s kind of clunky in certain ways. No doubt the fourth GEN has its 
>> advantages especially with the Siri remote, but I kind of prefer the third 
>> GEN in certain areas. Oh well, I just had to chime in because you really 
>> blew my mind with that statement.
>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> On Mar 12, 2018, at 12:06 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>>   I still have the 3rd generation so am limited to what apps are on it. I 
>>> can access all of my content that is in  the iTunes library very easily. 
>>> Sometimes I use other apps but with a 4th gen Apple TV I would likely use 
>>> even more of it. Accessibility is fine though some 3rd party apps may fall 
>>> short.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
>>> true?
>>> 
 On 3/12/2018 8:07 AM, Nickus de Vos wrote:
 Hi all
 I’ve been thinking to get a Apple TV for a while and now a friend is 
 selling his 4K HDR, a 64 GB one at a pretty good price.
 I have no previous experience with Apple TV, so my question, what do you 
 blind voiceover users use your Apple TV’s for?
 Do you play games, do you listen to music, do you use video streaming 
 services like Youtube, Netflix and Amazon Prime?
 Is apps like Youtube, Netflix and Amazon Prime Video even accessible with 
 Voiceover, those are the 3 apps I mainly stream video from.
 Basically, will I get any joy from a Apple TV or will I only buy it for 
 the rest of the family?
 Nickus
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RE: I have stepped into the future and have a question

[Simon Fogarty]

Didn't you get a install from backup or as new phone?

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Sent: Wednesday, 14 March 2018 4:28 AM
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Subject: Re: I have stepped into the future and have a question

I use iCloud backup but i can’t see anything to restore from even though there 
should be things to restore. Could you please remind me where to go?
/Krister


> 13 mars 2018 kl. 16:00 skrev E.T. :
> 
>   If you use iCloud Backup you can restore from it.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
> true?
> 
> On 3/13/2018 7:56 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>> Hi i’ve got an iPhone X that i purchased today. I have just set it up and 
>> now i wonder, is there a way to get all my old settings back without having 
>> to start from the beginning again with setting up the iPhone? I want my 
>> apps, favorites and contacts and so on back.
>> I know this is a typical ”i should know this” question but i can for the 
>> life of me not remember how to get things back to the way it was on my 
>> iPhone 7 plus. Can someone please help?
>> Thanks,
>> /Krister
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RE: Face id question

[Simon Fogarty]

I turned mine off and have no problems unless it's bright sunlight.

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Subject: Face id question

Hi,
To those who use Face ID, do you use it with the extra Attention mode or do you 
have that turned off?
I tried the attention mode and it was almost impossible to open the phone then. 
I just wondered how you other people do it?
/Krister

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RE: Setting up a mac to use my account

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah connect to a wifi network,
 Then shut the machine down completely 

Then hold the letter R and command keys down.
While holding those and keep holding those for approx. 30 seconds,
 Turn the power on and keep holding those keys!

 This takes you in to the recovery console,
 Once in this open disk utility and find the volume at the highest level 
It should be one thing lower than the physical drive partition  / label.
On that volume you can hit the Shift option and letter E keys,

 This wil eraise the active volume on the machine,

 Then once the eraise has finished,
Close disk utility and in the list of utilities find the install os option and 
follow the prompts from there.

Note this will possibly take time as it's using a connection to the internet to 
download the installers for the machine.

Please note you do not partition the entire physical drive as this will then 
require a form of installation media like a USB installation drive or 
similar.Just eraise the volume which should be if done correctly called 
"Macintosh HD".

 hope this helps.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Wednesday, 14 March 2018 6:27 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Setting up a mac to use my account

Hello everyone,


I honestly can't remember if I already asked this, or not. So if I did, I do 
apologize.


I have a Mac laptop that was given to me. It was a dear friend's of 
mine! It is running Yosemite and can not be upgraded.


When they gave it to me, they didn't clear off their account, from what 
I can tell. I don't have any CD's or anything like that to go with it, 
or to re-install anything.


So can I somehow set it up to use my account?

If so, what would I need to do?

Also, is there a website I can go to, where I can read about different 
Apps I could use with my Mac?


Thank you,


Terri

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Re: Face id question

[Krister Ekstrom]

The first time i had Attention turned on, i could not for my life open the 
phone. Turned out i had the phone too close to my face, when i turned the 
feature off, i still couldn’t open the phone until i held it farther from my 
face and then it worked fine, so i turned on attention again to see if it would 
work better and it did so now i have attention turned on.
An extra layer of security is only good for you.:-)
/Krister


> 13 mars 2018 kl. 23:26 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu :
> 
> Hi.
> 
> If you set up Face ID first without tension, as voice over won't let you put 
> it on first, once Face ID is set, you can turn Tention on providing that it 
> can see the eyes.  That is how I use mine.
>> On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:57, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> To those who use Face ID, do you use it with the extra Attention mode or do 
>> you have that turned off?
>> I tried the attention mode and it was almost impossible to open the phone 
>> then. I just wondered how you other people do it?
>> /Krister
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How to make the number row act as function keys on Mac with touch bar?

[Donna Goodin]

I thought it was FN plus the number key, but that isn't working. How does one 
do this?
TIA,
Donna

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mail on iPhone always telling me I have no new mail?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

So I'm seeing strange behavior in Mail on my iPhone X.

When I touch the icon in the dock, it says "No new mail" even if I have ten new 
messages.  Closing mail does not change this behavior.  Completely powering off 
and rebooting the phone does, but only temporarily.  Anyone know what might be 
causing this or how to fix it?
TIA,
Donna

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Re: What use do you find from your Apple TV?

[Kliphton Miller]

Few things here.  The blu tooth keyboard for me works just fine, and I use 2 
different ones.  The key is, making sure your router is set to direct touch, 
then you can navigate any direction you want, even entering text.  And I have 
been using the appleTV4 since it’s 1st release, now using a appleTV4K, and it 
works fine with my bt keyboard also.  In regards to fast forwarding and 
rewinding, I have no issue there either, this goes with trial and error though. 
 Your router must be set to follow focus, and you will have no issues 
performing fast forward or rewind.  As for the music app, I again make sure the 
rotter is set to the corresponding setting, and things should work as normal.  
People don’t like change, and sometimes this keeps them from exploring options 
because things are done differently, but exploring options will grant you a 
pleasant surprise.
JMO
> On Mar 13, 2018, at 12:23 PM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
> 
> Phil, I completely agree with you in regard to accessibility on the Apple TV 
> 4th Gen.
> 
> In terms of day-to-day enjoyment and ease of use, in my opinion, the 
> accessibility on the 4th Gen has gone way way way down.
> 
> There are three main areas where I find this to be true most.
> 
> The first is in the squirreliness of the use of the menu button to enable / 
> disable VO in certain circumstances such as when in Music. I.E. I will find 
> that on more than one occasion, VO will either not turn on with the usual 
> triple press of the menu button, or once VO is on, I will not be able to 
> leave the Now Playing screen in Music to go back to the Apple TV Home screen.
> 
> I have seen this issue in other Apple apps as well, but it is intermittent. I 
> have more than one Siri remote so I have also checked to see that both 
> remotes work properly and they do. So this is an issue with the Apple TV 4th 
> Gen with VO apparently.
> 
> secondly, Rewinding or fast forwarding when watching video content can be 
> absolutely excruciatingly tedious depending on which video apps you might be 
> using. Hulu in particular can be utterly horrible for this. Yes, I know that 
> this is a third party situation, but this reflects how poorly the touch pad 
> on the Siri remote behaves both with and without VO. I have had many 
> complaints from sighted folks on this as well. -And furthermore, if you go 
> and read reviews on the Siri remote on the Apple Store app, almost every 
> single review is incredibly negative. -And I personally couldn’t agree more. 
> This is actually the worst Apple interface I have ever used by far.
> 
> Lastly, (and this is the major one for me) the bluetooth keyboard support has 
> suffered utterly when using Voiceover. I.e. apparently, the accessibility 
> team has tried to make the experience of using a bluetooth keyboard with VO 
> on the Apple TV, behave more like that of using VO on a Mac.
> 
> Unfortunately, in this case, this has severely crippled accessibility in this 
> regard. What I mean is this; in the past, when using a bt keyboard with an 
> Apple TV, the arrows would move the cursor in their respective four 
> directions on the screen. Now, if you turn on VO with a bt keyboard paired, 
> the arrows do not work this way. The most obvious issue is that you cannot 
> move straight down on the screen, you need to move left to right . This is a 
> huge problem in that it is not only more cumbersome to get where you need to 
> go, but there are actually some cases where you cannot get there at all using 
> the keyboard. You actually need to stop trying to navigate with the keyboard 
> and use the remote to move the cursor.
> 
> Now, if this were a design issue across the board for both sighted and blind 
> users, I would simply question Apple’s UX design choice. -However, this is 
> not across the board. This is purely an accessibility design issue. If you 
> turn off Voiceover, the bluetooth keyboard goes back to working as it always 
> has, with the arrow keys working normally.
> 
> If you then turn on Voiceover, the keyboard stops working as it should and 
> goes back to performing as I have been mentioning above.
> 
> So, instead of actually assisting blind users in having an easier and more 
> enjoyable experience with the Apple TV, now it is actually made worse and 
> more difficult in several situations.
> 
> I am curious to hear others’ experiences / opinions on these issues. Have you 
> seen them? What do you think?
> 
> Thanks so much and hope you have a great day!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
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> On Mar 13, 2018, at 7:53 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> I don’t understand how you can say that the accessibility with the fourth GEN 
> is fine when you don’t even own one. Am I wrong or did you say you have the 
> third GEN and then speculated about the fourth GEN sayi

Re: My Experiences with Directv Now

[Kliphton Miller]

Yup, I am not even a huge TV watcher, but my family is, and I signed on in the 
begining when that plan was only 35 bucks, and I am locked in for life.

> On Mar 13, 2018, at 10:50 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
> 
> I wish I'd done this years ago. Don't have Hulu, just DirectvNow and Netflix. 
> I wish DIY, and the cooking channel were apart of the cheaper bundle, but I'd 
> have to go to the $60 a month plan for just adding those channels. *sigh* 
> Can't justify that. 
> 
> 
> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: My Experiences with Directv Now
> 
> I agree, with Netflix, Hulu, and direct TVNow I am still paying less and 
> getting more then I would with cable tv, I dumped cable tv 8 years ago, and 
> don’t regret it.
> 
>> On Mar 12, 2018, at 10:04 AM, lenron brown  wrote:
>> 
>> I personally think cable companies do great at ripping you off. So if
>> I can avoid it I shall. I would rather use netflix and a couple of
>> these cheaper options
>> 
>> On 3/12/18, Phil Halton  wrote:
>>> Xfinity is essentially the new name for the old Comcast Corporation. It’s a
>>> huge conglomerate
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 11, 2018, at 10:00 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli
  wrote:
 
 Haven’t heard of Xfinity. Thanks!
 
 Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
 
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On
 Behalf Of david.tanner...@gmail.com
 Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 7:10 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: My Experiences with Directv Now
 
 In case you haven’t tried it yet, the Xfinity Stream TV app for both
 Android and iOS are both excellent, very accessible, and do have
 descriptive video  that works very well, and is very easy to setup in the
 app.
 
 
 
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On
 Behalf Of Sarai Bucciarelli
 Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 5:53 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: My Experiences with Directv Now
 
 We don’t have Comcast downl here. So far, I’m happy with Directv Now. I’ll
 let everyone know what I think of the others as I try them.
 
 Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
 
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On
 Behalf Of Phil Halton
 Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 5:31 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: My Experiences with Directv Now
 
 Well, I gave up on the cord cutting and went with Comcast voice guidance.
 They have a voice guidance system, much like a screen reader, that works
 great and allows me to do everything I need to do. Yes, I’m paying the
 price for it, but good things are worth paying for. Good luck with sling
 and all the other services, maybe one day I’ll join you.
 
 Sent from my IPhone
 
 
 On Mar 10, 2018, at 9:46 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli
  wrote:
 
 Hi all:
 I’ve had Directv Now for about two weeks. The service is 90% usable.
 You will want to use it on an Apple TV with the remote set to direct
 touch. While playing a show, you can swipe across the remote to channel
 surf. You can search for content. You can view all networks via the guide.
 It is easy to mark and unmark channels as favorites, as well as to view
 only favorite channels.
 With the iOS app, you can search for content. You can add shows to watch
 list. You cannot view network list, even in the guide. You cannot add
 channels to favorites. I have the $35 a month plan, with promotional price
 for $10 a month. They also have free Apple tv promotion for prepaying for
 service. I plan on trying the others as a free trial and then deciding
 which I want to keep.
 
 
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Re: Spam calls: how to stop the robots from calling your iPhone or Android, The Verge

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Marie Lyons writes:
> What does that have to do with the providers free service for robo calls?

A lot, actually. With a post paid account the telco knows the customer
will pay a certain amount monthly. This is not true of prepaid accounts.
It's possible the customer will not use the device much in any given
time period, i.e. prepaid account payments are often irregular and
inconsistent, whereas postpaid account payments are regular and
consistent.

And, while term contracts are rarer today, the historic situation is
that postpaid accounts typically locked the customer into a contract
over a certain period of time, typically one or two years thus adding
yet more stability to postpaid accounts.

As a result telcos have tended to treat services provided very
differently. A prepaid account plan typically provides less.

hth

Janina

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> > On Mar 12, 2018, at 6:51 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
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> > I think it refers to paying your bill at the end of your cycle “post” 
> > rather than paying for it prior to your billing period “pre.”
> > 
> > Jeff
> > 
> > 
> >> On Mar 12, 2018, at 5:54 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> >> 
> >>  From the online dictionary courtesy Google.
> >> 
> >>   (with reference to a letter or parcel) on which postage has already been 
> >> paid.
> >>   "use the postpaid envelope provided"
> >> 
> >> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> >>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> >> Many believe that we have been visited
> >> in the past. What if it were true?
> >> 
> >>> On 3/12/2018 2:37 PM, Marie Lyons wrote:
> >>> post paid means?
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Re: How to make the number row act as function keys on Mac with touch bar?

[John Panarese]

   That was working here with any of the VoiceOver commands that involve the 
function keys. Was it working for you and it stopped?


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> On Mar 14, 2018, at 7:01 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> I thought it was FN plus the number key, but that isn't working. How does one 
> do this?
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Re: What use do you find from your Apple TV?

[Cara Quinn]

Hey Kliphton,

Thanks for your note. I’m not sure if you’ve read the entire thread so far 
before posting this but I’ve actually tried changing the rotor settings via the 
keyboard and nothing seems to happen.

I’ve even tried using the remote to change the rotor while using the keyboard 
and the keyboard behavior does not change a bit.

So I would sure be happy if you can come back and explain exactly how you are 
making this work. You’d be helping make my life a whole lot easier, so I would 
really dig it! :)

thanks very much.

Now, as for the cliches about people, please chill out on it. Not just speaking 
for myself here, but pretty much everyone here on this list, just in the mere 
fact of being here says that there is a certain adventurous spirit among folks 
here.

So saying that people dislike change is way too general and kind of a cop out 
don’t you think?… :)

Many of us here are early adopters of a lot of technologies, as I am sure you 
are also.

Anyway, we are all welcome to our opinions here and put simply, change 
depending on why it happens is not necessarily always a good or smart thing. 
Personally, having designed UI myself, advised large audiences of UX designers 
on good UI and UX design, and also having the pleasure and privilege of being 
able to work with absolute experts in the field, I have some thoughts and 
opinions on this, which I will stand by. -For now at least. :) If someone wants 
to show me I’ve made a mistake etc, then that’s cool too! :) No worries, we all 
do it from time to time…

Anyway, thanks for your note, please please please let me know how you are 
managing to get your BT keyboard arrow keys to work the way you are mentioning. 
I will be very appreciative.

thanks bunches Kliphton, and have a great day!

Cheers!

Cara

On Mar 14, 2018, at 5:51 AM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:

Few things here.  The blu tooth keyboard for me works just fine, and I use 2 
different ones.  The key is, making sure your router is set to direct touch, 
then you can navigate any direction you want, even entering text.  And I have 
been using the appleTV4 since it’s 1st release, now using a appleTV4K, and it 
works fine with my bt keyboard also.  In regards to fast forwarding and 
rewinding, I have no issue there either, this goes with trial and error though. 
 Your router must be set to follow focus, and you will have no issues 
performing fast forward or rewind.  As for the music app, I again make sure the 
rotter is set to the corresponding setting, and things should work as normal.  
People don’t like change, and sometimes this keeps them from exploring options 
because things are done differently, but exploring options will grant you a 
pleasant surprise.
JMO
> On Mar 13, 2018, at 12:23 PM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
> 
> Phil, I completely agree with you in regard to accessibility on the Apple TV 
> 4th Gen.
> 
> In terms of day-to-day enjoyment and ease of use, in my opinion, the 
> accessibility on the 4th Gen has gone way way way down.
> 
> There are three main areas where I find this to be true most.
> 
> The first is in the squirreliness of the use of the menu button to enable / 
> disable VO in certain circumstances such as when in Music. I.E. I will find 
> that on more than one occasion, VO will either not turn on with the usual 
> triple press of the menu button, or once VO is on, I will not be able to 
> leave the Now Playing screen in Music to go back to the Apple TV Home screen.
> 
> I have seen this issue in other Apple apps as well, but it is intermittent. I 
> have more than one Siri remote so I have also checked to see that both 
> remotes work properly and they do. So this is an issue with the Apple TV 4th 
> Gen with VO apparently.
> 
> secondly, Rewinding or fast forwarding when watching video content can be 
> absolutely excruciatingly tedious depending on which video apps you might be 
> using. Hulu in particular can be utterly horrible for this. Yes, I know that 
> this is a third party situation, but this reflects how poorly the touch pad 
> on the Siri remote behaves both with and without VO. I have had many 
> complaints from sighted folks on this as well. -And furthermore, if you go 
> and read reviews on the Siri remote on the Apple Store app, almost every 
> single review is incredibly negative. -And I personally couldn’t agree more. 
> This is actually the worst Apple interface I have ever used by far.
> 
> Lastly, (and this is the major one for me) the bluetooth keyboard support has 
> suffered utterly when using Voiceover. I.e. apparently, the accessibility 
> team has tried to make the experience of using a bluetooth keyboard with VO 
> on the Apple TV, behave more like that of using VO on a Mac.
> 
> Unfortunately, in this case, this has severely crippled accessibility in this 
> regard. What I mean is this; in the past, when using a bt keyboard with an 
> Apple TV, the arrows would move the cursor in their respective four 
> directions on the screen. Now, i

Re: How to make the number row act as function keys on Mac with touch bar?

[Jenny Wood]

Hi Donna,

If you press the VO keys plus the Function button as you touch the row of 
function keys on the Touch  bar, the keys will read correctly.  You can 
activate them by double-tapping the function number key you want while holding 
down the VO plus Function button in the bottom-left corner.

Hope that helps. :-)

Jenny 



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Re: How to make the number row act as function keys on Mac with touch bar?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Donna,

It still works that way for me, albeit a limited set.  Try using your Keyboard 
Practice mode to confirm what is supposed to happen when pressing the specific 
key combination.  For example, after pressing VO-k to enable Keyboard Practice, 
press VO-1 then VO-FN-1 and note the differing commands.  Do the same for the 
other keyboard combinations.  Was there a specific command that you were 
attempting to use that would not engage properly for you?

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 14, 2018, at 09:12, Jenny Wood  wrote:

Hi Donna,

If you press the VO keys plus the Function button as you touch the row of 
function keys on the Touch  bar, the keys will read correctly.  You can 
activate them by double-tapping the function number key you want while holding 
down the VO plus Function button in the bottom-left corner.

Hope that helps. :-)

Jenny 



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Re: mail on iPhone always telling me I have no new mail?

[Mary Otten]

Hi Donna, this is been going on for a while. And I don’t have an iPhone X. So 
it is not something about your specific iPhone model. I guess it’s a voiceover 
bug. It’s been months. I can’t remember when it started. I have seen talk about 
it on another list. It’s been reported through the beta cycle, and they haven’t 
fixed it.
Mary


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> On Mar 14, 2018, at 4:05 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> So I'm seeing strange behavior in Mail on my iPhone X.
> 
> When I touch the icon in the dock, it says "No new mail" even if I have ten 
> new messages.  Closing mail does not change this behavior.  Completely 
> powering off and rebooting the phone does, but only temporarily.  Anyone know 
> what might be causing this or how to fix it?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: mail on iPhone always telling me I have no new mail?

[Nickus de Vos]

Hi there
This isn’t iPhone X specific as said, this is a Voicover bug. I’ve been having 
it on my iPhone 7 since iOS 11 came out and I’ve been reporting it to Apple 
accessibility with every update since.

> On 14 Mar 2018, at 17:52, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna, this is been going on for a while. And I don’t have an iPhone X. So 
> it is not something about your specific iPhone model. I guess it’s a 
> voiceover bug. It’s been months. I can’t remember when it started. I have 
> seen talk about it on another list. It’s been reported through the beta 
> cycle, and they haven’t fixed it.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2018, at 4:05 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> So I'm seeing strange behavior in Mail on my iPhone X.
>> 
>> When I touch the icon in the dock, it says "No new mail" even if I have ten 
>> new messages.  Closing mail does not change this behavior.  Completely 
>> powering off and rebooting the phone does, but only temporarily.  Anyone 
>> know what might be causing this or how to fix it?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: mail on iPhone always telling me I have no new mail?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I don't experience this issue on my iPhone 8.  Now, I don't have my Mail 
updating automatically, so that may be a factor.  I do find that when I delete 
large numbers of eMails, it does take a bit to update the number though.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 14, 2018, at 09:55, Nickus de Vos  wrote:

Hi there
This isn’t iPhone X specific as said, this is a Voicover bug. I’ve been having 
it on my iPhone 7 since iOS 11 came out and I’ve been reporting it to Apple 
accessibility with every update since.

> On 14 Mar 2018, at 17:52, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna, this is been going on for a while. And I don’t have an iPhone X. So 
> it is not something about your specific iPhone model. I guess it’s a 
> voiceover bug. It’s been months. I can’t remember when it started. I have 
> seen talk about it on another list. It’s been reported through the beta 
> cycle, and they haven’t fixed it.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2018, at 4:05 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> So I'm seeing strange behavior in Mail on my iPhone X.
>> 
>> When I touch the icon in the dock, it says "No new mail" even if I have ten 
>> new messages.  Closing mail does not change this behavior.  Completely 
>> powering off and rebooting the phone does, but only temporarily.  Anyone 
>> know what might be causing this or how to fix it?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: mail on iPhone always telling me I have no new mail?

[Nickus de Vos]

Tim,
In my experience this issue comes and goes, one day it will be their and the 
next day everything works just fine again. It also usually helps if restarting 
your phone, then the issue usually stays away for a couple of days.

> On 14 Mar 2018, at 18:03, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I don't experience this issue on my iPhone 8.  Now, I don't have my Mail 
> updating automatically, so that may be a factor.  I do find that when I 
> delete large numbers of eMails, it does take a bit to update the number 
> though.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 14, 2018, at 09:55, Nickus de Vos  wrote:
> 
> Hi there
> This isn’t iPhone X specific as said, this is a Voicover bug. I’ve been 
> having it on my iPhone 7 since iOS 11 came out and I’ve been reporting it to 
> Apple accessibility with every update since.
> 
>> On 14 Mar 2018, at 17:52, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna, this is been going on for a while. And I don’t have an iPhone X. 
>> So it is not something about your specific iPhone model. I guess it’s a 
>> voiceover bug. It’s been months. I can’t remember when it started. I have 
>> seen talk about it on another list. It’s been reported through the beta 
>> cycle, and they haven’t fixed it.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 14, 2018, at 4:05 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> So I'm seeing strange behavior in Mail on my iPhone X.
>>> 
>>> When I touch the icon in the dock, it says "No new mail" even if I have ten 
>>> new messages.  Closing mail does not change this behavior.  Completely 
>>> powering off and rebooting the phone does, but only temporarily.  Anyone 
>>> know what might be causing this or how to fix it?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: mail on iPhone always telling me I have no new mail?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Interesting.  I've never experienced it, although, as I mentioned, I only 
update Mail Manually, so that may be the difference.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 14, 2018, at 10:05, Nickus de Vos  wrote:

Tim,
In my experience this issue comes and goes, one day it will be their and the 
next day everything works just fine again. It also usually helps if restarting 
your phone, then the issue usually stays away for a couple of days.

> On 14 Mar 2018, at 18:03, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I don't experience this issue on my iPhone 8.  Now, I don't have my Mail 
> updating automatically, so that may be a factor.  I do find that when I 
> delete large numbers of eMails, it does take a bit to update the number 
> though.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 14, 2018, at 09:55, Nickus de Vos  wrote:
> 
> Hi there
> This isn’t iPhone X specific as said, this is a Voicover bug. I’ve been 
> having it on my iPhone 7 since iOS 11 came out and I’ve been reporting it to 
> Apple accessibility with every update since.
> 
>> On 14 Mar 2018, at 17:52, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna, this is been going on for a while. And I don’t have an iPhone X. 
>> So it is not something about your specific iPhone model. I guess it’s a 
>> voiceover bug. It’s been months. I can’t remember when it started. I have 
>> seen talk about it on another list. It’s been reported through the beta 
>> cycle, and they haven’t fixed it.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 14, 2018, at 4:05 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> So I'm seeing strange behavior in Mail on my iPhone X.
>>> 
>>> When I touch the icon in the dock, it says "No new mail" even if I have ten 
>>> new messages.  Closing mail does not change this behavior.  Completely 
>>> powering off and rebooting the phone does, but only temporarily.  Anyone 
>>> know what might be causing this or how to fix it?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: mail on iPhone always telling me I have no new mail?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi, all,

Interesting to hear that so many of you had been experiencing this for a while. 
I’ve only been experiencing it for the last couple of weeks. I guess I’ll join 
you and send a report to accessibility. It is kind of an annoying bug.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 14, 2018, at 11:10 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Interesting.  I've never experienced it, although, as I mentioned, I only 
> update Mail Manually, so that may be the difference.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 14, 2018, at 10:05, Nickus de Vos  wrote:
> 
> Tim,
> In my experience this issue comes and goes, one day it will be their and the 
> next day everything works just fine again. It also usually helps if 
> restarting your phone, then the issue usually stays away for a couple of days.
> 
>> On 14 Mar 2018, at 18:03, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I don't experience this issue on my iPhone 8.  Now, I don't have my Mail 
>> updating automatically, so that may be a factor.  I do find that when I 
>> delete large numbers of eMails, it does take a bit to update the number 
>> though.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Mar 14, 2018, at 09:55, Nickus de Vos  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there
>> This isn’t iPhone X specific as said, this is a Voicover bug. I’ve been 
>> having it on my iPhone 7 since iOS 11 came out and I’ve been reporting it to 
>> Apple accessibility with every update since.
>> 
>>> On 14 Mar 2018, at 17:52, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna, this is been going on for a while. And I don’t have an iPhone X. 
>>> So it is not something about your specific iPhone model. I guess it’s a 
>>> voiceover bug. It’s been months. I can’t remember when it started. I have 
>>> seen talk about it on another list. It’s been reported through the beta 
>>> cycle, and they haven’t fixed it.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Mar 14, 2018, at 4:05 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 So I'm seeing strange behavior in Mail on my iPhone X.
 
 When I touch the icon in the dock, it says "No new mail" even if I have 
 ten new messages.  Closing mail does not change this behavior.  Completely 
 powering off and rebooting the phone does, but only temporarily.  Anyone 
 know what might be causing this or how to fix it?
 TIA,
 Donna
 
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Re: mail on iPhone always telling me I have no new mail?

[Maria Reyes]

I think the bug has been fixed in iOS 11.3. I'm on the beta cycle and I'm not 
having that problem. I was having that same problem on my iPod Touch before I 
got my iPhone X though. the update should be coming soon. 

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> On Mar 14, 2018, at 12:43 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi, all,
> 
> Interesting to hear that so many of you had been experiencing this for a 
> while. I’ve only been experiencing it for the last couple of weeks. I guess 
> I’ll join you and send a report to accessibility. It is kind of an annoying 
> bug.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2018, at 11:10 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Interesting.  I've never experienced it, although, as I mentioned, I only 
>> update Mail Manually, so that may be the difference.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Mar 14, 2018, at 10:05, Nickus de Vos  wrote:
>> 
>> Tim,
>> In my experience this issue comes and goes, one day it will be their and the 
>> next day everything works just fine again. It also usually helps if 
>> restarting your phone, then the issue usually stays away for a couple of 
>> days.
>> 
>>> On 14 Mar 2018, at 18:03, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I don't experience this issue on my iPhone 8.  Now, I don't have my Mail 
>>> updating automatically, so that may be a factor.  I do find that when I 
>>> delete large numbers of eMails, it does take a bit to update the number 
>>> though.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Mar 14, 2018, at 09:55, Nickus de Vos  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi there
>>> This isn’t iPhone X specific as said, this is a Voicover bug. I’ve been 
>>> having it on my iPhone 7 since iOS 11 came out and I’ve been reporting it 
>>> to Apple accessibility with every update since.
>>> 
 On 14 Mar 2018, at 17:52, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 Hi Donna, this is been going on for a while. And I don’t have an iPhone X. 
 So it is not something about your specific iPhone model. I guess it’s a 
 voiceover bug. It’s been months. I can’t remember when it started. I have 
 seen talk about it on another list. It’s been reported through the beta 
 cycle, and they haven’t fixed it.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Mar 14, 2018, at 4:05 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> So I'm seeing strange behavior in Mail on my iPhone X.
> 
> When I touch the icon in the dock, it says "No new mail" even if I have 
> ten new messages.  Closing mail does not change this behavior.  
> Completely powering off and rebooting the phone does, but only 
> temporarily.  Anyone know what might be causing this or how to fix it?
> TIA,
> Donna
> 
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Re: What use do you find from your Apple TV?

[Kliphton Miller]

Hello, sorry about that statement of some people don’t like change.  I run my 
own cafe, and those customers sometime get under my skin complaining about 
price change, expecting everything to be free.  Anyway, I am using a Logitech 
k811 BT keyboard, I don’t know if the model matter.  As for changing rodder 
options, I do it with the Siri remote, not with keyboard.  But it still gets 
the job done.  What keyboard are you trying to use?  Again, sorry for the 
general statement, meant no disrespect.

> On Mar 14, 2018, at 11:06 AM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
> 
> Hey Kliphton,
> 
> Thanks for your note. I’m not sure if you’ve read the entire thread so far 
> before posting this but I’ve actually tried changing the rotor settings via 
> the keyboard and nothing seems to happen.
> 
> I’ve even tried using the remote to change the rotor while using the keyboard 
> and the keyboard behavior does not change a bit.
> 
> So I would sure be happy if you can come back and explain exactly how you are 
> making this work. You’d be helping make my life a whole lot easier, so I 
> would really dig it! :)
> 
> thanks very much.
> 
> Now, as for the cliches about people, please chill out on it. Not just 
> speaking for myself here, but pretty much everyone here on this list, just in 
> the mere fact of being here says that there is a certain adventurous spirit 
> among folks here.
> 
> So saying that people dislike change is way too general and kind of a cop out 
> don’t you think?… :)
> 
> Many of us here are early adopters of a lot of technologies, as I am sure you 
> are also.
> 
> Anyway, we are all welcome to our opinions here and put simply, change 
> depending on why it happens is not necessarily always a good or smart thing. 
> Personally, having designed UI myself, advised large audiences of UX 
> designers on good UI and UX design, and also having the pleasure and 
> privilege of being able to work with absolute experts in the field, I have 
> some thoughts and opinions on this, which I will stand by. -For now at least. 
> :) If someone wants to show me I’ve made a mistake etc, then that’s cool too! 
> :) No worries, we all do it from time to time…
> 
> Anyway, thanks for your note, please please please let me know how you are 
> managing to get your BT keyboard arrow keys to work the way you are 
> mentioning. I will be very appreciative.
> 
> thanks bunches Kliphton, and have a great day!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> 
> On Mar 14, 2018, at 5:51 AM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> 
> Few things here.  The blu tooth keyboard for me works just fine, and I use 2 
> different ones.  The key is, making sure your router is set to direct touch, 
> then you can navigate any direction you want, even entering text.  And I have 
> been using the appleTV4 since it’s 1st release, now using a appleTV4K, and it 
> works fine with my bt keyboard also.  In regards to fast forwarding and 
> rewinding, I have no issue there either, this goes with trial and error 
> though.  Your router must be set to follow focus, and you will have no issues 
> performing fast forward or rewind.  As for the music app, I again make sure 
> the rotter is set to the corresponding setting, and things should work as 
> normal.  People don’t like change, and sometimes this keeps them from 
> exploring options because things are done differently, but exploring options 
> will grant you a pleasant surprise.
> JMO
>> On Mar 13, 2018, at 12:23 PM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
>> 
>> Phil, I completely agree with you in regard to accessibility on the Apple TV 
>> 4th Gen.
>> 
>> In terms of day-to-day enjoyment and ease of use, in my opinion, the 
>> accessibility on the 4th Gen has gone way way way down.
>> 
>> There are three main areas where I find this to be true most.
>> 
>> The first is in the squirreliness of the use of the menu button to enable / 
>> disable VO in certain circumstances such as when in Music. I.E. I will find 
>> that on more than one occasion, VO will either not turn on with the usual 
>> triple press of the menu button, or once VO is on, I will not be able to 
>> leave the Now Playing screen in Music to go back to the Apple TV Home screen.
>> 
>> I have seen this issue in other Apple apps as well, but it is intermittent. 
>> I have more than one Siri remote so I have also checked to see that both 
>> remotes work properly and they do. So this is an issue with the Apple TV 4th 
>> Gen with VO apparently.
>> 
>> secondly, Rewinding or fast forwarding when watching video content can be 
>> absolutely excruciatingly tedious depending on which video apps you might be 
>> using. Hulu in particular can be utterly horrible for this. Yes, I know that 
>> this is a third party situation, but this reflects how poorly the touch pad 
>> on the Siri remote behaves both with and without VO. I have had many 
>> complaints from sighted folks on this as well. -And furthermore, if you go 
>> and read reviews on the Siri remote on the Apple Store app, almost every 
>> single rev

Graphene could charge your phone in 7 seconds, CNET

[M. Taylor]

Want to charge your smartphone in 7 seconds? Look to graphene
Graphene gets touted as a "wonder material" because of its unique
properties. Here are five potential real-world uses.
By Katie Collins, March 14, 2018 5:04 AM PDT

Graphene is 200 times stronger than steel and lighter than paper and often
referred to as a wonder material. But what can this substance actually do?

Fortunately, graphene had a chance to shine at last month's Mobile World
Congress trade show in Barcelona. Buried away at the furthest point from the
entrance to the convention center was the Graphene Pavilion, where around 25
different graphene-based research projects, including robotics and
wearables, were being shown off.
In the coming years some of these applications will go commercial and we'll
start to see graphene cropping up in phones, wearables and other technology.

Graphene is a thin layer of pure carbon atoms tightly packed in a honeycomb
structure. It isn't manufactured, but instead is extracted from graphite --
a process scientists only succeeded in developing in 2004. The result is a
2D substance that has a number of unusual and desirable traits, including
being extraordinarily thin, strong and flexible.
 
A graphene insole can be so thin as to make no discernible difference to a
shoe wearer.
Europe is where graphene was first isolated, and so convinced is the EU by
its potential that it's the basis of the bloc's biggest research initiative.
The billion-euro Graphene Flagship program, which hosted the Graphene
Pavilion, is dedicated to finding ways in which the material can be brought
to market.
Here's how graphene may be used in the future.

Smartphones
Graphene may have been hidden away at the back of the show this time around,
but in the coming years it could be responsible for some dramatic upgrades
to phone technology. As well as being flexible enough to be incorporated
into bendable phones in the form of antennas or touch displays, it also has
enormous potential for improving batteries -- often our biggest gripe when
it comes to our phones.
Graphene can be built into the batteries themselves to improve energy
storage and long-term performance, but it can also speed up energy transfer
between a power source and battery exponentially. It acts as a sort of
superhighway for charging, allowing energy to pass through it so quickly
that researchers believe it can charge a phone in 7 seconds. 

So how long will this seemingly magical technology take to show up? A
decade? Kari Hjelt, head of innovation for Graphene Flagship, said it would
take as little as two years. 
"It's still a young material, so we're actually quite amazed how much it has
developed in only 14 years," he said. "The thing with the graphene is that
it works in so many fields and in fantastic ways, so we have really pick the
ones that are the most promising for Europe and for business."
Phone technology is one obvious use, and 5G network tech is another --
Ericsson used graphene in its own 5G demo at the show. But it's not the only
area where the material can make a difference.

Robotics
One biomedical possibility for graphene is in the improvement of artificial
limbs.
By embedding graphene-based nerve sensors within the top of the limbs, a
person is able to sense and respond to contractions and other movements in
muscles. That helps them control the motion and force of a robotic limb. 
 
Artificial limbs have come a long way in recent years, but they could get
even lighter and more responsive still.
As well as being light and noninvasive, graphene responds quickly to
pressure, ensuring natural movement and grip for the wearer. It could make
future generations of prosthetics more comfortable and responsive than ever
before.

Food identification
Due to graphene's ability to absorb light at almost every wavelength, it can
detect ultraviolet, visible and infrared light with the same image sensor.
A wide-spectrum graphene light camera can see details invisible to the human
eye, and in the demo we saw could differentiate between three different
types of milk -- rice, dairy and almond -- that all look the same. 
 
Graphene could improve food safety.
In the future people, with food allergies could use their phone cameras to
tell if food is safe for them to eat.

Wearable tech
Graphene is also very flexible, making it ideal for wearable technology.
Researchers from the the Institute of Photonic Sciences in Spain have
integrated graphene into UV patches attached to the skin like any Band-Aid
might. The layer of graphene hidden inside is highly sensitive and can
measure heart rate and blood oxygen over skin as well as UV exposure,
providing a miniaturized system that can monitor your health.
 
Graphene can be embedded in stick-on UV sensors.
Graphene could also be added to smart shoes for benefits including sensing,
cooling and strength. A graphene in-sole from the University of Cambridge
can monitor pressure distribution for podiatry and athletic performance.
New t

Re: mail on iPhone always telling me I have no new mail?

[Donna Goodin]

this is good to hear, Maria.  thanks!
Donna
> On Mar 14, 2018, at 3:28 PM, Maria Reyes  wrote:
> 
> I think the bug has been fixed in iOS 11.3. I'm on the beta cycle and I'm not 
> having that problem. I was having that same problem on my iPod Touch before I 
> got my iPhone X though. the update should be coming soon. 
> 
> Maria Reyes 
> Owner of the Apple 411 list: 
> apple411+subscr...@groups.io  
> Click this link to join the Apple 411 WhatsApp group: 
> https://chat.whatsapp.com/0bMtIrmqoyzJwnbRjqjPsO 
> 
> 
> On Mar 14, 2018, at 12:43 PM, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi, all,
>> 
>> Interesting to hear that so many of you had been experiencing this for a 
>> while. I’ve only been experiencing it for the last couple of weeks. I guess 
>> I’ll join you and send a report to accessibility. It is kind of an annoying 
>> bug.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 14, 2018, at 11:10 AM, Tim Kilburn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Interesting.  I've never experienced it, although, as I mentioned, I only 
>>> update Mail Manually, so that may be the difference.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Mar 14, 2018, at 10:05, Nickus de Vos >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Tim,
>>> In my experience this issue comes and goes, one day it will be their and 
>>> the next day everything works just fine again. It also usually helps if 
>>> restarting your phone, then the issue usually stays away for a couple of 
>>> days.
>>> 
 On 14 Mar 2018, at 18:03, Tim Kilburn >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I don't experience this issue on my iPhone 8.  Now, I don't have my Mail 
 updating automatically, so that may be a factor.  I do find that when I 
 delete large numbers of eMails, it does take a bit to update the number 
 though.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Mar 14, 2018, at 09:55, Nickus de Vos >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi there
 This isn’t iPhone X specific as said, this is a Voicover bug. I’ve been 
 having it on my iPhone 7 since iOS 11 came out and I’ve been reporting it 
 to Apple accessibility with every update since.
 
> On 14 Mar 2018, at 17:52, Mary Otten  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna, this is been going on for a while. And I don’t have an iPhone 
> X. So it is not something about your specific iPhone model. I guess it’s 
> a voiceover bug. It’s been months. I can’t remember when it started. I 
> have seen talk about it on another list. It’s been reported through the 
> beta cycle, and they haven’t fixed it.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2018, at 4:05 AM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> So I'm seeing strange behavior in Mail on my iPhone X.
>> 
>> When I touch the icon in the dock, it says "No new mail" even if I have 
>> ten new messages.  Closing mail does not change this behavior.  
>> Completely powering off and rebooting the phone does, but only 
>> temporarily.  Anyone know what might be causing this or how to fix it?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
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Re: Graphene could charge your phone in 7 seconds, CNET

[Katie Zodrow]

Thanks for the article Mark. I've never heard of this material before. Wow, 
this sounds really interesting.
Katie
Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 14, 2018, at 3:11 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Want to charge your smartphone in 7 seconds? Look to graphene
> Graphene gets touted as a "wonder material" because of its unique
> properties. Here are five potential real-world uses.
> By Katie Collins, March 14, 2018 5:04 AM PDT
> 
> Graphene is 200 times stronger than steel and lighter than paper and often
> referred to as a wonder material. But what can this substance actually do?
> 
> Fortunately, graphene had a chance to shine at last month's Mobile World
> Congress trade show in Barcelona. Buried away at the furthest point from the
> entrance to the convention center was the Graphene Pavilion, where around 25
> different graphene-based research projects, including robotics and
> wearables, were being shown off.
> In the coming years some of these applications will go commercial and we'll
> start to see graphene cropping up in phones, wearables and other technology.
> 
> Graphene is a thin layer of pure carbon atoms tightly packed in a honeycomb
> structure. It isn't manufactured, but instead is extracted from graphite --
> a process scientists only succeeded in developing in 2004. The result is a
> 2D substance that has a number of unusual and desirable traits, including
> being extraordinarily thin, strong and flexible.
> 
> A graphene insole can be so thin as to make no discernible difference to a
> shoe wearer.
> Europe is where graphene was first isolated, and so convinced is the EU by
> its potential that it's the basis of the bloc's biggest research initiative.
> The billion-euro Graphene Flagship program, which hosted the Graphene
> Pavilion, is dedicated to finding ways in which the material can be brought
> to market.
> Here's how graphene may be used in the future.
> 
> Smartphones
> Graphene may have been hidden away at the back of the show this time around,
> but in the coming years it could be responsible for some dramatic upgrades
> to phone technology. As well as being flexible enough to be incorporated
> into bendable phones in the form of antennas or touch displays, it also has
> enormous potential for improving batteries -- often our biggest gripe when
> it comes to our phones.
> Graphene can be built into the batteries themselves to improve energy
> storage and long-term performance, but it can also speed up energy transfer
> between a power source and battery exponentially. It acts as a sort of
> superhighway for charging, allowing energy to pass through it so quickly
> that researchers believe it can charge a phone in 7 seconds. 
> 
> So how long will this seemingly magical technology take to show up? A
> decade? Kari Hjelt, head of innovation for Graphene Flagship, said it would
> take as little as two years. 
> "It's still a young material, so we're actually quite amazed how much it has
> developed in only 14 years," he said. "The thing with the graphene is that
> it works in so many fields and in fantastic ways, so we have really pick the
> ones that are the most promising for Europe and for business."
> Phone technology is one obvious use, and 5G network tech is another --
> Ericsson used graphene in its own 5G demo at the show. But it's not the only
> area where the material can make a difference.
> 
> Robotics
> One biomedical possibility for graphene is in the improvement of artificial
> limbs.
> By embedding graphene-based nerve sensors within the top of the limbs, a
> person is able to sense and respond to contractions and other movements in
> muscles. That helps them control the motion and force of a robotic limb. 
> 
> Artificial limbs have come a long way in recent years, but they could get
> even lighter and more responsive still.
> As well as being light and noninvasive, graphene responds quickly to
> pressure, ensuring natural movement and grip for the wearer. It could make
> future generations of prosthetics more comfortable and responsive than ever
> before.
> 
> Food identification
> Due to graphene's ability to absorb light at almost every wavelength, it can
> detect ultraviolet, visible and infrared light with the same image sensor.
> A wide-spectrum graphene light camera can see details invisible to the human
> eye, and in the demo we saw could differentiate between three different
> types of milk -- rice, dairy and almond -- that all look the same. 
> 
> Graphene could improve food safety.
> In the future people, with food allergies could use their phone cameras to
> tell if food is safe for them to eat.
> 
> Wearable tech
> Graphene is also very flexible, making it ideal for wearable technology.
> Researchers from the the Institute of Photonic Sciences in Spain have
> integrated graphene into UV patches attached to the skin like any Band-Aid
> might. The layer of graphene hidden inside is highly sensitive and can
> measure heart rate and blood oxygen over skin as well 

Re: Reading a big PDF file on mac

[Terje Strømberg]

One more option should work. Just download the pdf file., then open it from 
your mac instead. Maybe it works to save it to iBooks or Voice Stream Reader.

Take care



12. mar. 2018 kl. 15:29 skrev Ramy Moustafa :

Hi John:
Thanks so much we’re going to download it today and see. Thanks again

Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 12, 2018, at 4:00 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Try using Adobe Reader and see if you get better results. My thoughts below…
> 
> 
> I have found especially with older MacOS that very large PDF and/or HTML can 
> cause issues when opened with Apple’s default application and VoiceOver.
> 
> Some of VoiceOver’s features like the item chooser and find seem to require 
> that VoiceOver build up an internal view of the document. So you can end up 
> with two or three representations of the same document. For example the web 
> standard documents can take several seconds when a same page link is clicked 
> in Safari with VoiceOver running on an El Capitan system. 
> 
> Certainly in the Windows world, when a screen reader is running Adobe Reader 
> starts loading 1 page at a time if the document is over about 100 pages. So 
> perhaps try reading with Adobe Reader with the setting to load a page at a 
> time.
> 
>> On Mar 12, 2018, at 3:59 AM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all:\
>> I have a big manual about 1000 page, when i open it in preview, i can not 
>> read anything, after it opens, and when i need to interact with the document 
>> group, i got the message that preview busy, 
>> i tried this many  many times, with no luck,
>> Thanks in advance 
>> 
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Re: What use do you find from your Apple TV?

[Cara Quinn]

Hi Kliphton,

thanks very much. I sure appreciate the apology and the assistance too. :) 
Hopefully I did not come off too strongly either. It’s not always easy to gage 
tone in email.

Yeah, that must be really obnoxious when customers are kind of disregarding the 
fact that you are a business and need to make some money so you can keep that 
going. Serious kudos to you for being in the restaurant business! You rock! :) 
where is your cafe?…

As for the keyboard, I have Apple BT keyboards (both the second and third gen) 
I am currently using the third gen with the Apple TV.

After reading your earlier note, I did a Google search to see if I could find 
anything out about this and I did find a tip on an Apple Vis forum about 
switching the rotor to ‘Follow Focus’ so I tried switching the rotor to this 
via the remote and I was able to get the arrow keys to work for the four 
directions but only if the Voiceover keys were held down or locked.

Unfortunately, in this configuration, I cannot then use the enter key to choose 
options on the Apple TV home screen without then needing to turn off Voiceover.

What rotor option are you using?

this concerns me greatly, as a blind user should not need to press three keys 
at a time (control option and an arrow) and need to use two hands vs one to do 
what a sighted user can do with only one key press. I.E. If you turn off 
Voiceover, all you need to do is simply press an arrow key and the cursor moves 
there. When you get where you need to go, you simply press enter and the action 
is done.

Why should a user with a disability need to be using two hands, pressing 
multiple keys and then also need to toggle VO off simply to accomplish 
navigation by way of the keyboard.

This is different from the Mac where Voiceover is meant to avoid key conflicts. 
So in this case, this appears to just be arbitrary. -Especially since keyboard 
navigation has worked so easily and simply for both sighted and visually 
impaired customers alike until now.

Am I doing something wrong? This is supposed to be an easy, enjoyable and 
streamlined experience. Yes?…

So are you saying that there is an option that is actually allowing the arrows 
and enter key to work as they do with VO off?

Thanks Kliphton, any other suggestions you can offer would be fantastic!

Have an awesome evening!

Cheers!

Cara

On Mar 14, 2018, at 3:19 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:

Hello, sorry about that statement of some people don’t like change.  I run my 
own cafe, and those customers sometime get under my skin complaining about 
price change, expecting everything to be free.  Anyway, I am using a Logitech 
k811 BT keyboard, I don’t know if the model matter.  As for changing rodder 
options, I do it with the Siri remote, not with keyboard.  But it still gets 
the job done.  What keyboard are you trying to use?  Again, sorry for the 
general statement, meant no disrespect.

> On Mar 14, 2018, at 11:06 AM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
> 
> Hey Kliphton,
> 
> Thanks for your note. I’m not sure if you’ve read the entire thread so far 
> before posting this but I’ve actually tried changing the rotor settings via 
> the keyboard and nothing seems to happen.
> 
> I’ve even tried using the remote to change the rotor while using the keyboard 
> and the keyboard behavior does not change a bit.
> 
> So I would sure be happy if you can come back and explain exactly how you are 
> making this work. You’d be helping make my life a whole lot easier, so I 
> would really dig it! :)
> 
> thanks very much.
> 
> Now, as for the cliches about people, please chill out on it. Not just 
> speaking for myself here, but pretty much everyone here on this list, just in 
> the mere fact of being here says that there is a certain adventurous spirit 
> among folks here.
> 
> So saying that people dislike change is way too general and kind of a cop out 
> don’t you think?… :)
> 
> Many of us here are early adopters of a lot of technologies, as I am sure you 
> are also.
> 
> Anyway, we are all welcome to our opinions here and put simply, change 
> depending on why it happens is not necessarily always a good or smart thing. 
> Personally, having designed UI myself, advised large audiences of UX 
> designers on good UI and UX design, and also having the pleasure and 
> privilege of being able to work with absolute experts in the field, I have 
> some thoughts and opinions on this, which I will stand by. -For now at least. 
> :) If someone wants to show me I’ve made a mistake etc, then that’s cool too! 
> :) No worries, we all do it from time to time…
> 
> Anyway, thanks for your note, please please please let me know how you are 
> managing to get your BT keyboard arrow keys to work the way you are 
> mentioning. I will be very appreciative.
> 
> thanks bunches Kliphton, and have a great day!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> 
> On Mar 14, 2018, at 5:51 AM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> 
> Few things here.  The blu tooth keyboard for me works just fine, and I use 2 
>

Re: What use do you find from your Apple TV?

[Cara Quinn]

Hi Eileen,

You should be able to find that setting under the Remotes and Devices option in 
the Settings menu.

Let me know if you have any more questions.

Hope this helps and have a nice evening!

Cheers!

Cara

On Mar 13, 2018, at 1:52 PM, Eileen Scrivani  wrote:

Cara,
 
I don’t think I made change to the setting. Do you know what it is called & 
under what will I find it?
 
Thanks.
 
Eileen
 
 
From: Cara Quinn <>
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 2:21 PM
To: 'Adrian Leong' via MacVisionaries <>
Subject: Re: What use do you find from your Apple TV?
 
Hi Eileen,
 
Yes, the situation with the cursor flying is one that many sighted people keep 
bringing up again and again in reviews. So trust me, this is not you at all! :) 
This is a shortcoming of the interface.
 
There is a way to change the sensitivity of the touch pad in Settings though. 
Have you tried that?
 
Hope this helps.
 
Cheers!
 
Cara
 
On Mar 13, 2018, at 11:17 AM, Eileen Scrivani > wrote:
 
Hi Kara,
 
I’m new to Apple TV having purchased 2 4K’s back in December. While I can get 
it to do some of the things I’d like, I’m less than thrilled with accessibility 
on them. The touch screen is a pain to deal with. I have learned that  swiping 
to fast or at least what the touch pad interprets as to fast sends the focus 
rapidly skipping over options. I’m not a large person with large hands so it 
has nothing to do with the size of my fingers – the screen is super tiny and I 
think the smallest motion sends it flying.
 
I also think the device is just not clear enough in annunciating sufficient 
information to assist a blind user in what needs to be done to operate it and 
get the expected results. I’m not using the devices to the extent I wanted to 
and feel a bit, just a bit, defeated in having bought them.
 
Perhaps those are only my issues being very new to using Apple TV. However, I 
have had problems just getting apps to download install and set-up.
For my taste, Voice Over doesn’t announce enough descriptive information as to 
what fields should be filled in. For instance it wants a password, well which 
one? If it would be clearer in stating if it is looking for my Apple ID 
password, or the password to something else I’ve signed up for and am now down 
loading and trying to install the app.
That would help enormously in filling in edit fields. The typing mechanism is 
for the birds on the Apple TV remote, at least I can use my IPhone for typing.
 
Eileen
 
From: Cara Quinn <>
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 12:23 PM
To: 'Adrian Leong' via MacVisionaries <>
Subject: Re: What use do you find from your Apple TV?
 
Phil, I completely agree with you in regard to accessibility on the Apple TV 
4th Gen.

In terms of day-to-day enjoyment and ease of use, in my opinion, the 
accessibility on the 4th Gen has gone way way way down.

There are three main areas where I find this to be true most.

The first is in the squirreliness of the use of the menu button to enable / 
disable VO in certain circumstances such as when in Music. I.E. I will find 
that on more than one occasion, VO will either not turn on with the usual 
triple press of the menu button, or once VO is on, I will not be able to leave 
the Now Playing screen in Music to go back to the Apple TV Home screen.

I have seen this issue in other Apple apps as well, but it is intermittent. I 
have more than one Siri remote so I have also checked to see that both remotes 
work properly and they do. So this is an issue with the Apple TV 4th Gen with 
VO apparently.

secondly, Rewinding or fast forwarding when watching video content can be 
absolutely excruciatingly tedious depending on which video apps you might be 
using. Hulu in particular can be utterly horrible for this. Yes, I know that 
this is a third party situation, but this reflects how poorly the touch pad on 
the Siri remote behaves both with and without VO. I have had many complaints 
from sighted folks on this as well. -And furthermore, if you go and read 
reviews on the Siri remote on the Apple Store app, almost every single review 
is incredibly negative. -And I personally couldn’t agree more. This is actually 
the worst Apple interface I have ever used by far.

Lastly, (and this is the major one for me) the bluetooth keyboard support has 
suffered utterly when using Voiceover. I.e. apparently, the accessibility team 
has tried to make the experience of using a bluetooth keyboard with VO on the 
Apple TV, behave more like that of using VO on a Mac.

Unfortunately, in this case, this has severely crippled accessibility in this 
regard. What I mean is this; in the past, when using a bt keyboard with an 
Apple TV, the arrows would move the cursor in their respective four directions 
on the screen. Now, if you turn on VO with a bt keyboard paired, the arrows do 
not work this way. The most obvious issue is that you cannot move straight down 
on the screen, you need to move left to right . This is a huge problem in that 
it is not only more

Re: Graphene could charge your phone in 7 seconds, CNET

[Alex Hall]

Oh, it's a wonderful material, with tons of potential applications. I do have 
to day, though, that I remember reading this same claim, about the same 
material, sitting in a lecture hall in college. Nine years ago. I really hope 
it happens, but I have a harder time getting excited about things like this 
nowadays. I sincerely hope I'm proven wrong, of course. 

--
Alex Hall




> On Mar 14, 2018, at 18:30, Katie Zodrow  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the article Mark. I've never heard of this material before. Wow, 
> this sounds really interesting.
> Katie
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2018, at 3:11 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Want to charge your smartphone in 7 seconds? Look to graphene
>> Graphene gets touted as a "wonder material" because of its unique
>> properties. Here are five potential real-world uses.
>> By Katie Collins, March 14, 2018 5:04 AM PDT
>> 
>> Graphene is 200 times stronger than steel and lighter than paper and often
>> referred to as a wonder material. But what can this substance actually do?
>> 
>> Fortunately, graphene had a chance to shine at last month's Mobile World
>> Congress trade show in Barcelona. Buried away at the furthest point from the
>> entrance to the convention center was the Graphene Pavilion, where around 25
>> different graphene-based research projects, including robotics and
>> wearables, were being shown off.
>> In the coming years some of these applications will go commercial and we'll
>> start to see graphene cropping up in phones, wearables and other technology.
>> 
>> Graphene is a thin layer of pure carbon atoms tightly packed in a honeycomb
>> structure. It isn't manufactured, but instead is extracted from graphite --
>> a process scientists only succeeded in developing in 2004. The result is a
>> 2D substance that has a number of unusual and desirable traits, including
>> being extraordinarily thin, strong and flexible.
>> 
>> A graphene insole can be so thin as to make no discernible difference to a
>> shoe wearer.
>> Europe is where graphene was first isolated, and so convinced is the EU by
>> its potential that it's the basis of the bloc's biggest research initiative.
>> The billion-euro Graphene Flagship program, which hosted the Graphene
>> Pavilion, is dedicated to finding ways in which the material can be brought
>> to market.
>> Here's how graphene may be used in the future.
>> 
>> Smartphones
>> Graphene may have been hidden away at the back of the show this time around,
>> but in the coming years it could be responsible for some dramatic upgrades
>> to phone technology. As well as being flexible enough to be incorporated
>> into bendable phones in the form of antennas or touch displays, it also has
>> enormous potential for improving batteries -- often our biggest gripe when
>> it comes to our phones.
>> Graphene can be built into the batteries themselves to improve energy
>> storage and long-term performance, but it can also speed up energy transfer
>> between a power source and battery exponentially. It acts as a sort of
>> superhighway for charging, allowing energy to pass through it so quickly
>> that researchers believe it can charge a phone in 7 seconds. 
>> 
>> So how long will this seemingly magical technology take to show up? A
>> decade? Kari Hjelt, head of innovation for Graphene Flagship, said it would
>> take as little as two years. 
>> "It's still a young material, so we're actually quite amazed how much it has
>> developed in only 14 years," he said. "The thing with the graphene is that
>> it works in so many fields and in fantastic ways, so we have really pick the
>> ones that are the most promising for Europe and for business."
>> Phone technology is one obvious use, and 5G network tech is another --
>> Ericsson used graphene in its own 5G demo at the show. But it's not the only
>> area where the material can make a difference.
>> 
>> Robotics
>> One biomedical possibility for graphene is in the improvement of artificial
>> limbs.
>> By embedding graphene-based nerve sensors within the top of the limbs, a
>> person is able to sense and respond to contractions and other movements in
>> muscles. That helps them control the motion and force of a robotic limb. 
>> 
>> Artificial limbs have come a long way in recent years, but they could get
>> even lighter and more responsive still.
>> As well as being light and noninvasive, graphene responds quickly to
>> pressure, ensuring natural movement and grip for the wearer. It could make
>> future generations of prosthetics more comfortable and responsive than ever
>> before.
>> 
>> Food identification
>> Due to graphene's ability to absorb light at almost every wavelength, it can
>> detect ultraviolet, visible and infrared light with the same image sensor.
>> A wide-spectrum graphene light camera can see details invisible to the human
>> eye, and in the demo we saw could differentiate between three different
>> types of milk -- rice, dairy and almond -- that all look the same. 
>> 
>> 

Re: Graphene could charge your phone in 7 seconds, CNET

[Cara Quinn]

Interesting,

I take a little issue with the story though as the reporter says that graphene 
is a 2d substance.

To my knowledge, a 2d substance in a 3d world is not yet possible. So I’d sure 
like to learn a little bit more about this.

On the subject of battery tech, there have been quite a few amazing advances in 
the last several years like copper foam for example, which also has some 
interesting properties.

Thanks for posting this awesome article!

Cheers!

Cara

On Mar 14, 2018, at 4:50 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

Oh, it's a wonderful material, with tons of potential applications. I do have 
to day, though, that I remember reading this same claim, about the same 
material, sitting in a lecture hall in college. Nine years ago. I really hope 
it happens, but I have a harder time getting excited about things like this 
nowadays. I sincerely hope I'm proven wrong, of course. 

--
Alex Hall




> On Mar 14, 2018, at 18:30, Katie Zodrow  > wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the article Mark. I've never heard of this material before. Wow, 
> this sounds really interesting.
> Katie
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2018, at 3:11 PM, M. Taylor > > wrote:
>> 
>> Want to charge your smartphone in 7 seconds? Look to graphene
>> Graphene gets touted as a "wonder material" because of its unique
>> properties. Here are five potential real-world uses.
>> By Katie Collins, March 14, 2018 5:04 AM PDT
>> 
>> Graphene is 200 times stronger than steel and lighter than paper and often
>> referred to as a wonder material. But what can this substance actually do?
>> 
>> Fortunately, graphene had a chance to shine at last month's Mobile World
>> Congress trade show in Barcelona. Buried away at the furthest point from the
>> entrance to the convention center was the Graphene Pavilion, where around 25
>> different graphene-based research projects, including robotics and
>> wearables, were being shown off.
>> In the coming years some of these applications will go commercial and we'll
>> start to see graphene cropping up in phones, wearables and other technology.
>> 
>> Graphene is a thin layer of pure carbon atoms tightly packed in a honeycomb
>> structure. It isn't manufactured, but instead is extracted from graphite --
>> a process scientists only succeeded in developing in 2004. The result is a
>> 2D substance that has a number of unusual and desirable traits, including
>> being extraordinarily thin, strong and flexible.
>> 
>> A graphene insole can be so thin as to make no discernible difference to a
>> shoe wearer.
>> Europe is where graphene was first isolated, and so convinced is the EU by
>> its potential that it's the basis of the bloc's biggest research initiative.
>> The billion-euro Graphene Flagship program, which hosted the Graphene
>> Pavilion, is dedicated to finding ways in which the material can be brought
>> to market.
>> Here's how graphene may be used in the future.
>> 
>> Smartphones
>> Graphene may have been hidden away at the back of the show this time around,
>> but in the coming years it could be responsible for some dramatic upgrades
>> to phone technology. As well as being flexible enough to be incorporated
>> into bendable phones in the form of antennas or touch displays, it also has
>> enormous potential for improving batteries -- often our biggest gripe when
>> it comes to our phones.
>> Graphene can be built into the batteries themselves to improve energy
>> storage and long-term performance, but it can also speed up energy transfer
>> between a power source and battery exponentially. It acts as a sort of
>> superhighway for charging, allowing energy to pass through it so quickly
>> that researchers believe it can charge a phone in 7 seconds. 
>> 
>> So how long will this seemingly magical technology take to show up? A
>> decade? Kari Hjelt, head of innovation for Graphene Flagship, said it would
>> take as little as two years. 
>> "It's still a young material, so we're actually quite amazed how much it has
>> developed in only 14 years," he said. "The thing with the graphene is that
>> it works in so many fields and in fantastic ways, so we have really pick the
>> ones that are the most promising for Europe and for business."
>> Phone technology is one obvious use, and 5G network tech is another --
>> Ericsson used graphene in its own 5G demo at the show. But it's not the only
>> area where the material can make a difference.
>> 
>> Robotics
>> One biomedical possibility for graphene is in the improvement of artificial
>> limbs.
>> By embedding graphene-based nerve sensors within the top of the limbs, a
>> person is able to sense and respond to contractions and other movements in
>> muscles. That helps them control the motion and force of a robotic limb. 
>> 
>> Artificial limbs have come a long way in recent years, but they could get
>> even lighter and more responsive still.
>> As well as being light and noninvasive, graphene responds quickly to
>> pres

Re: What use do you find from your Apple TV?

[Eileen Scrivani]

Hi Cara, 

Thank you very much. That is in deed a super nice offer. It’s amazing how 
learning a new device or new way of doing something can reduce a person to 
feeling extremely stupid! 

Talk soon.

Eileen

From: Cara Quinn 
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 6:47 PM
To: 'Adrian Leong' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: What use do you find from your Apple TV?

Hi Eileen, 

You should be able to find that setting under the Remotes and Devices option in 
the Settings menu.

Let me know if you have any more questions.

Hope this helps and have a nice evening!

Cheers!

Cara


On Mar 13, 2018, at 1:52 PM, Eileen Scrivani  wrote:

Cara,

I don’t think I made change to the setting. Do you know what it is called & 
under what will I find it?

Thanks.

Eileen


From: Cara Quinn 
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 2:21 PM
To: 'Adrian Leong' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: What use do you find from your Apple TV?

Hi Eileen, 

Yes, the situation with the cursor flying is one that many sighted people keep 
bringing up again and again in reviews. So trust me, this is not you at all! :) 
This is a shortcoming of the interface.

There is a way to change the sensitivity of the touch pad in Settings though. 
Have you tried that?

Hope this helps.

Cheers!

Cara


On Mar 13, 2018, at 11:17 AM, Eileen Scrivani  wrote:

Hi Kara,

I’m new to Apple TV having purchased 2 4K’s back in December. While I can get 
it to do some of the things I’d like, I’m less than thrilled with accessibility 
on them. The touch screen is a pain to deal with. I have learned that  swiping 
to fast or at least what the touch pad interprets as to fast sends the focus 
rapidly skipping over options. I’m not a large person with large hands so it 
has nothing to do with the size of my fingers – the screen is super tiny and I 
think the smallest motion sends it flying.

I also think the device is just not clear enough in annunciating sufficient 
information to assist a blind user in what needs to be done to operate it and 
get the expected results. I’m not using the devices to the extent I wanted to 
and feel a bit, just a bit, defeated in having bought them.

Perhaps those are only my issues being very new to using Apple TV. However, I 
have had problems just getting apps to download install and set-up.
For my taste, Voice Over doesn’t announce enough descriptive information as to 
what fields should be filled in. For instance it wants a password, well which 
one? If it would be clearer in stating if it is looking for my Apple ID 
password, or the password to something else I’ve signed up for and am now down 
loading and trying to install the app.
That would help enormously in filling in edit fields. The typing mechanism is 
for the birds on the Apple TV remote, at least I can use my IPhone for typing.

Eileen

From: Cara Quinn 
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 12:23 PM
To: 'Adrian Leong' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: What use do you find from your Apple TV?

Phil, I completely agree with you in regard to accessibility on the Apple TV 
4th Gen.

In terms of day-to-day enjoyment and ease of use, in my opinion, the 
accessibility on the 4th Gen has gone way way way down.

There are three main areas where I find this to be true most.

The first is in the squirreliness of the use of the menu button to enable / 
disable VO in certain circumstances such as when in Music. I.E. I will find 
that on more than one occasion, VO will either not turn on with the usual 
triple press of the menu button, or once VO is on, I will not be able to leave 
the Now Playing screen in Music to go back to the Apple TV Home screen.

I have seen this issue in other Apple apps as well, but it is intermittent. I 
have more than one Siri remote so I have also checked to see that both remotes 
work properly and they do. So this is an issue with the Apple TV 4th Gen with 
VO apparently.

secondly, Rewinding or fast forwarding when watching video content can be 
absolutely excruciatingly tedious depending on which video apps you might be 
using. Hulu in particular can be utterly horrible for this. Yes, I know that 
this is a third party situation, but this reflects how poorly the touch pad on 
the Siri remote behaves both with and without VO. I have had many complaints 
from sighted folks on this as well. -And furthermore, if you go and read 
reviews on the Siri remote on the Apple Store app, almost every single review 
is incredibly negative. -And I personally couldn’t agree more. This is actually 
the worst Apple interface I have ever used by far.

Lastly, (and this is the major one for me) the bluetooth keyboard support has 
suffered utterly when using Voiceover. I.e. apparently, the accessibility team 
has tried to make the experience of using a bluetooth keyboard with VO on the 
Apple TV, behave more like that of using VO on a Mac.

Unfortunately, in this case, this has severely crippled accessibility in this 
regard. What I mean is this; in the past, when using a bt keyboard with an 
Ap

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Re: What use do you find from your Apple TV?

[Kliphton Miller]

That has to be frustrating!  Using an apple keyboard with a apple product and 
it still doesn’t work?  That is not good, I use a   3rd party keyboard also, 
called baton wireless keyboard on amazon.  It’s only 10 bucks, and works great. 
 It was originally designed for android, but I rolled the dice and got lucky.  
Bought 3 of them since they were so cheap, it works with my iPhone and both 
appleTV4K’s.  The rodder option I select is direct touch, and follow focus, and 
they both work, I only use vertical navigation when I want to go 1 item at a 
time.  I would report this to apple accessibility, or maybe join beta users to 
report.  I actually have apublic beta group where we all discuss issues 
like this.  I don’t want to break any rules, so I won’t post the info here, but 
anyone who is running a public beta can email me for the info
kliph...@icloud.com 
BTW, my cafe is in northwest FL where I live.  Good luck

> On Mar 14, 2018, at 6:44 PM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
> 
> Hi Kliphton,
> 
> thanks very much. I sure appreciate the apology and the assistance too. :) 
> Hopefully I did not come off too strongly either. It’s not always easy to 
> gage tone in email.
> 
> Yeah, that must be really obnoxious when customers are kind of disregarding 
> the fact that you are a business and need to make some money so you can keep 
> that going. Serious kudos to you for being in the restaurant business! You 
> rock! :) where is your cafe?…
> 
> As for the keyboard, I have Apple BT keyboards (both the second and third 
> gen) I am currently using the third gen with the Apple TV.
> 
> After reading your earlier note, I did a Google search to see if I could find 
> anything out about this and I did find a tip on an Apple Vis forum about 
> switching the rotor to ‘Follow Focus’ so I tried switching the rotor to this 
> via the remote and I was able to get the arrow keys to work for the four 
> directions but only if the Voiceover keys were held down or locked.
> 
> Unfortunately, in this configuration, I cannot then use the enter key to 
> choose options on the Apple TV home screen without then needing to turn off 
> Voiceover.
> 
> What rotor option are you using?
> 
> this concerns me greatly, as a blind user should not need to press three keys 
> at a time (control option and an arrow) and need to use two hands vs one to 
> do what a sighted user can do with only one key press. I.E. If you turn off 
> Voiceover, all you need to do is simply press an arrow key and the cursor 
> moves there. When you get where you need to go, you simply press enter and 
> the action is done.
> 
> Why should a user with a disability need to be using two hands, pressing 
> multiple keys and then also need to toggle VO off simply to accomplish 
> navigation by way of the keyboard.
> 
> This is different from the Mac where Voiceover is meant to avoid key 
> conflicts. So in this case, this appears to just be arbitrary. -Especially 
> since keyboard navigation has worked so easily and simply for both sighted 
> and visually impaired customers alike until now.
> 
> Am I doing something wrong? This is supposed to be an easy, enjoyable and 
> streamlined experience. Yes?…
> 
> So are you saying that there is an option that is actually allowing the 
> arrows and enter key to work as they do with VO off?
> 
> Thanks Kliphton, any other suggestions you can offer would be fantastic!
> 
> Have an awesome evening!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> 
> On Mar 14, 2018, at 3:19 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> 
> Hello, sorry about that statement of some people don’t like change.  I run my 
> own cafe, and those customers sometime get under my skin complaining about 
> price change, expecting everything to be free.  Anyway, I am using a Logitech 
> k811 BT keyboard, I don’t know if the model matter.  As for changing rodder 
> options, I do it with the Siri remote, not with keyboard.  But it still gets 
> the job done.  What keyboard are you trying to use?  Again, sorry for the 
> general statement, meant no disrespect.
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2018, at 11:06 AM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Kliphton,
>> 
>> Thanks for your note. I’m not sure if you’ve read the entire thread so far 
>> before posting this but I’ve actually tried changing the rotor settings via 
>> the keyboard and nothing seems to happen.
>> 
>> I’ve even tried using the remote to change the rotor while using the 
>> keyboard and the keyboard behavior does not change a bit.
>> 
>> So I would sure be happy if you can come back and explain exactly how you 
>> are making this work. You’d be helping make my life a whole lot easier, so I 
>> would really dig it! :)
>> 
>> thanks very much.
>> 
>> Now, as for the cliches about people, please chill out on it. Not just 
>> speaking for myself here, but pretty much everyone here on this list, just 
>> in the mere fact of being here says that there is a certain adventurous 
>> spirit among folks here.
>> 
>> So saying that people dislike 

Re: What use do you find from your Apple TV?

[Kliphton Miller]

Oh, BTW, I only need to use the arrow keys, not the voiceover keys.

> On Mar 14, 2018, at 6:44 PM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
> 
> Hi Kliphton,
> 
> thanks very much. I sure appreciate the apology and the assistance too. :) 
> Hopefully I did not come off too strongly either. It’s not always easy to 
> gage tone in email.
> 
> Yeah, that must be really obnoxious when customers are kind of disregarding 
> the fact that you are a business and need to make some money so you can keep 
> that going. Serious kudos to you for being in the restaurant business! You 
> rock! :) where is your cafe?…
> 
> As for the keyboard, I have Apple BT keyboards (both the second and third 
> gen) I am currently using the third gen with the Apple TV.
> 
> After reading your earlier note, I did a Google search to see if I could find 
> anything out about this and I did find a tip on an Apple Vis forum about 
> switching the rotor to ‘Follow Focus’ so I tried switching the rotor to this 
> via the remote and I was able to get the arrow keys to work for the four 
> directions but only if the Voiceover keys were held down or locked.
> 
> Unfortunately, in this configuration, I cannot then use the enter key to 
> choose options on the Apple TV home screen without then needing to turn off 
> Voiceover.
> 
> What rotor option are you using?
> 
> this concerns me greatly, as a blind user should not need to press three keys 
> at a time (control option and an arrow) and need to use two hands vs one to 
> do what a sighted user can do with only one key press. I.E. If you turn off 
> Voiceover, all you need to do is simply press an arrow key and the cursor 
> moves there. When you get where you need to go, you simply press enter and 
> the action is done.
> 
> Why should a user with a disability need to be using two hands, pressing 
> multiple keys and then also need to toggle VO off simply to accomplish 
> navigation by way of the keyboard.
> 
> This is different from the Mac where Voiceover is meant to avoid key 
> conflicts. So in this case, this appears to just be arbitrary. -Especially 
> since keyboard navigation has worked so easily and simply for both sighted 
> and visually impaired customers alike until now.
> 
> Am I doing something wrong? This is supposed to be an easy, enjoyable and 
> streamlined experience. Yes?…
> 
> So are you saying that there is an option that is actually allowing the 
> arrows and enter key to work as they do with VO off?
> 
> Thanks Kliphton, any other suggestions you can offer would be fantastic!
> 
> Have an awesome evening!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> 
> On Mar 14, 2018, at 3:19 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> 
> Hello, sorry about that statement of some people don’t like change.  I run my 
> own cafe, and those customers sometime get under my skin complaining about 
> price change, expecting everything to be free.  Anyway, I am using a Logitech 
> k811 BT keyboard, I don’t know if the model matter.  As for changing rodder 
> options, I do it with the Siri remote, not with keyboard.  But it still gets 
> the job done.  What keyboard are you trying to use?  Again, sorry for the 
> general statement, meant no disrespect.
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2018, at 11:06 AM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Kliphton,
>> 
>> Thanks for your note. I’m not sure if you’ve read the entire thread so far 
>> before posting this but I’ve actually tried changing the rotor settings via 
>> the keyboard and nothing seems to happen.
>> 
>> I’ve even tried using the remote to change the rotor while using the 
>> keyboard and the keyboard behavior does not change a bit.
>> 
>> So I would sure be happy if you can come back and explain exactly how you 
>> are making this work. You’d be helping make my life a whole lot easier, so I 
>> would really dig it! :)
>> 
>> thanks very much.
>> 
>> Now, as for the cliches about people, please chill out on it. Not just 
>> speaking for myself here, but pretty much everyone here on this list, just 
>> in the mere fact of being here says that there is a certain adventurous 
>> spirit among folks here.
>> 
>> So saying that people dislike change is way too general and kind of a cop 
>> out don’t you think?… :)
>> 
>> Many of us here are early adopters of a lot of technologies, as I am sure 
>> you are also.
>> 
>> Anyway, we are all welcome to our opinions here and put simply, change 
>> depending on why it happens is not necessarily always a good or smart thing. 
>> Personally, having designed UI myself, advised large audiences of UX 
>> designers on good UI and UX design, and also having the pleasure and 
>> privilege of being able to work with absolute experts in the field, I have 
>> some thoughts and opinions on this, which I will stand by. -For now at 
>> least. :) If someone wants to show me I’ve made a mistake etc, then that’s 
>> cool too! :) No worries, we all do it from time to time…
>> 
>> Anyway, thanks for your note, please please please let me know how you are 
>> managing to get your BT keyboard ar