RE: the new iPad 9.7"

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Alex,

Yeah those are the only things I could really see.

Processor as the a9 is still behind the iPhone 7x processor but think the a10 
is in  the pro iPads,

Better screen slightly lighter and I wasn’t sure for a start but is the price 
really down slightly?

Here in nz the 5 128 GB models are: 699 for wifi,
919 for wifi / cellular
 Still bloody costly,

I’m happy currently with my mini 4
Would bein heaven if I could rdp in t o my windows machines and macs for that 
matter with speech access.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Wednesday, 29 March 2017 1:00 AM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: the new iPad 9.7"

The reasons I can see are:

* They were able to rename it to the iPad, thus simplifying the iPad lineup

* They upped the CPU, from the A8X of the Air 2 to the A9.

* They made some changes to the screen and body, letting them lower the price 
to offer a more compelling entry-level tablet


--
Alex Hall




On Mar 28, 2017, at 04:57, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Folks,

Guessing others have heard this,

Cant’ really see why apple have bothered,
The new iPad 5  9.7”
Hasn’t really changed much since the air2.



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RE: the new iPad 9.7"

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Scott,

 No chance it bytes in to pro line,

 The specs are far lighter in the new 5,
 Mind you I'd kind of like to see a pro in the mini size.
And no matter what product they need to bring the pricing down.

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Subject: Re: the new iPad 9.7"

Are there going to be any upgrades in the pro line?  This seems to bite in to 
the pro line to me.


> On Mar 28, 2017, at 8:51 AM, Cameron Strife  wrote:
> 
> The main reason seems to be that they wanted to compete with cheaper 
> tablets. The camera is eight megapixel instead of 12 for example...
> 
> I think it's a good idea as you have tablets like the fire and fire 
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> On 3/28/17, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> The reasons I can see are:
>> 
>> * They were able to rename it to the iPad, thus simplifying the iPad 
>> lineup
>> 
>> * They upped the CPU, from the A8X of the Air 2 to the A9.
>> 
>> * They made some changes to the screen and body, letting them lower 
>> the price to offer a more compelling entry-level tablet
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Alex Hall
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 28, 2017, at 04:57, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Folks,
>>> 
>>> Guessing others have heard this,
>>> 
>>> Cant’ really see why apple have bothered, The new iPad 5  9.7”
>>> Hasn’t really changed much since the air2.
>>> 
>>> 
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RE: Looks like a new round of updates available

[Simon Fogarty]

I want a gold plated toilet but that's not happening this week either.

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Sent: Wednesday, 29 March 2017 2:17 AM
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Subject: Re: Looks like a new round of updates available

I want an iPad pro update.


> On Mar 28, 2017, at 4:59 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Yes Scott,
> Just finished or should I say remembered to finish my watch, iPhone 
> and iPad updated can't say I'm surprised, oh that's right I used the 
> public beta till a couple of weeks ago.
> 
> The iPad 5 was also released today by the looks of it.
> 
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> Subject: Looks like a new round of updates available
> 
> Just saw a watch OS 3.2 update post and it appears IOS 10.3 is also available 
> for iPhone and iPad.
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> Flash em if you got em.
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RE: the new iPad 9.7"

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah not happening in this country,

As for chrome books,
Great devices until you need to use a windows based system.

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Sent: Wednesday, 29 March 2017 3:12 AM
To: macvisionaries 
Subject: Re: the new iPad 9.7"

I believe they are really pointing this towards institutional buyers much like 
the eMac of old. Make it not quite as light, and not as great at graphics, but 
I believe the education price is $299.

I have seen a few school boards move from using iPads to using Chrome Books. 
Chromium appears to be at least as secure as IOS and one gets a keyboard 
bundled in albeit not a keyboard I enjoy typing on.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn

On 28 March 2017 at 09:13, Scott Granados 
mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Are there going to be any upgrades in the pro line?  This seems to bite in to 
the pro line to me.


> On Mar 28, 2017, at 8:51 AM, Cameron Strife 
> mailto:came...@cameronstrife.com>> wrote:
>
> The main reason seems to be that they wanted to compete with cheaper
> tablets. The camera is eight megapixel instead of 12 for example...
>
> I think it's a good idea as you have tablets like the fire and fire
> hdx etc dominating that below $350 pricepoint for the most part.
>
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> On 3/28/17, Alex Hall mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>> The reasons I can see are:
>>
>> * They were able to rename it to the iPad, thus simplifying the iPad lineup
>>
>> * They upped the CPU, from the A8X of the Air 2 to the A9.
>>
>> * They made some changes to the screen and body, letting them lower the
>> price to offer a more compelling entry-level tablet
>>
>>
>> --
>> Alex Hall
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 28, 2017, at 04:57, Simon Fogarty 
>>> mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Folks,
>>>
>>> Guessing others have heard this,
>>>
>>> Cant’ really see why apple have bothered,
>>> The new iPad 5  9.7”
>>> Hasn’t really changed much since the air2.
>>>
>>>
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RE: Sierra 10.12.4

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi ET,
 You talking about the the new sierra installer?

 Well if it's not in your applications folder then sounds to me like the dl 
didn't complete,

Can you try it again if you hvaen't already.

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Sent: Wednesday, 29 March 2017 4:14 AM
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Subject: Re: Sierra 10.12.4

No no no. I do not have the file that normally is downloaded to the 
applications folder.

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On 3/28/2017 8:12 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
> I can’t suggest anything but try again, it seemed to work fine on this side 
> and I used the standard mechanism (terminal commands) to create the installer.
>
>> On Mar 28, 2017, at 11:10 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>
>>   So now my thread is hijacked, and I still have no answer. (smiles)
>>
>>   The installation was not downloaded so is not in Purchased. I need to find 
>> where I can download it.
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the 
>> world, all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your 
>> mind off  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>> On 3/28/2017 6:16 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> I’ll take steelhead or riverbed WAN acceleration for 400 Alex.
>>>
>>> You can use a WAN optimizer or caching engine for this so you don’t have to 
>>> move all the bits end to end each time plus optimizing the window sizes and 
>>> such to get that data on through as fast as possible.
>>>
>>> I peered with Apple while working at Trip Advisor just for this 
>>> reason.:)
>>>
 On Mar 28, 2017, at 5:07 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

 So it looks like apple have had a fun day of update releasing

 Oh well tomorrow will be interesting,

 How to bring a network to  a holt!
 Get 4000 + mac computers downloading the newest update to their machines.



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 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott 
 Granados
 Sent: Tuesday, 28 March 2017 5:46 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Sierra 10.12.4

 Just go to purchased items and click on install next to the most recent 
 12.4 install.  Once the install starts and prompts you quit and find the 
 file under Applications.


> On Mar 28, 2017, at 12:37 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>
> Everything looks fine. However I cannot find the right place to download 
> the installation file to build the installer later on. Used to be one 
> could find the download link for this. Maybe this has changed?
>
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RE: Sierra 10.12.4

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi ET,

Yeah do the update and then when the install info comes up you need to cancel 
the update and check then the applications folder to see if install macos 
sierra is in your apps folder 

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Sent: Wednesday, 29 March 2017 4:20 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sierra 10.12.4

I have. I never saw a download button, just update all. I looked in both 
Categories and Featured. At one time there was a OS X category but not now.

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On 3/28/2017 8:16 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
> That’s what I’m saying, try again because it downloaded fine on this side.  I 
> can’t duplicate your error.
>
>> On Mar 28, 2017, at 11:14 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>
>>   No no no. I do not have the file that normally is downloaded to the 
>> applications folder.
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the 
>> world, all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your 
>> mind off  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>> On 3/28/2017 8:12 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> I can’t suggest anything but try again, it seemed to work fine on this side 
>>> and I used the standard mechanism (terminal commands) to create the 
>>> installer.
>>>
 On Mar 28, 2017, at 11:10 AM, E.T.  wrote:

  So now my thread is hijacked, and I still have no answer. (smiles)

  The installation was not downloaded so is not in Purchased. I need to 
 find where I can download it.

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 "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
 world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your 
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 On 3/28/2017 6:16 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
> I’ll take steelhead or riverbed WAN acceleration for 400 Alex.
>
> You can use a WAN optimizer or caching engine for this so you don’t have 
> to move all the bits end to end each time plus optimizing the window 
> sizes and such to get that data on through as fast as possible.
>
> I peered with Apple while working at Trip Advisor just for this 
> reason.:)
>
>> On Mar 28, 2017, at 5:07 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>
>> So it looks like apple have had a fun day of update releasing
>>
>> Oh well tomorrow will be interesting,
>>
>> How to bring a network to  a holt!
>> Get 4000 + mac computers downloading the newest update to their machines.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott 
>> Granados
>> Sent: Tuesday, 28 March 2017 5:46 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Sierra 10.12.4
>>
>> Just go to purchased items and click on install next to the most recent 
>> 12.4 install.  Once the install starts and prompts you quit and find the 
>> file under Applications.
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 28, 2017, at 12:37 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>>
>>> Everything looks fine. However I cannot find the right place to 
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>>> be one could find the download link for this. Maybe this has changed?
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RE: Sierra 10.12.4

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah,
Creating a bootable installer is bloody easy now and done from the terminal.



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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Matthew Dyer
Sent: Wednesday, 29 March 2017 1:04 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sierra 10.12.4

Hi,

Is this even necessary to do everytime a new update is released.  Is it still 
possible to create a bootable mac os recovery?  Recovery disk assistant use to 
be able to do this, but last time I tried it I got a blank window when I opened 
it.  I guess this is not possible.

Matthew



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Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:46 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sierra 10.12.4

Just go to purchased items and click on install next to the most recent 12.4 
install.  Once the install starts and prompts you quit and find the file under 
Applications.


> On Mar 28, 2017, at 12:37 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Everything looks fine. However I cannot find the right place to download 
> the installation file to build the installer later on. Used to be one could 
> find the download link for this. Maybe this has changed?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world, 
> all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off 
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apple earpods

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Listers,

Ok so with the apple release craziness yesterday,
Does anyone know if there was an update to the EarPods and if so is it 
automatically updated to my earpods through my phone?

I wish they would update the EarPods I gotta say I'm losing faith in the pods 
as well as apple.

The pods need controls and a safety strap around your neck,

Cheers for any info you can provide.

Simon f

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VNC on mac OSX

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Listers,

I'm just wondering if anyone has played with VNC on a mac computer?

I've got a mac book air and a mac mini,

The air is running sierra and the mini is  a late 2012 quad core machine spec'd 
out to the max for work,

Its running Yosemite currently and I'mtrying to setup remote access / desktop 
to the mini which I've got working however I can't get vo to speak through the 
connection,
Yet playing around with el capitan a couple of months ago I managed to have vo 
working through the remote connection and can't figure out how I did it.

Can anyone else advise on this and if they have had it work for them?

Cheers,


Simon f
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Re: apple earpods

[David Chittenden]

AirPods are updated automatically through iOS whenever the AirPod updates are 
pushed out by Apple.

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> On 29/03/2017, at 20:49, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Listers,
>  
> Ok so with the apple release craziness yesterday,
> Does anyone know if there was an update to the EarPods and if so is it 
> automatically updated to my earpods through my phone?
>  
> I wish they would update the EarPods I gotta say I’m losing faith in the pods 
> as well as apple.
>  
> The pods need controls and a safety strap around your neck,
>  
> Cheers for any info you can provide.
>  
> Simon f
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Re: Sierra 10.12.4

[matthew dyer]

Yes I know..  I have an ions;ler already.  I was just wondering if it is 
necessary to re download the installer each Time they release an update to Mac 
OS Sierra.  I have an installer, but it is not for  the latest upgrade.  Hope 
this makes sense.

Matthew


> On Mar 29, 2017, at 3:44 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Yeah,
> Creating a bootable installer is bloody easy now and done from the terminal.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Dyer
> Sent: Wednesday, 29 March 2017 1:04 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Sierra 10.12.4
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Is this even necessary to do everytime a new update is released.  Is it still 
> possible to create a bootable mac os recovery?  Recovery disk assistant use 
> to be able to do this, but last time I tried it I got a blank window when I 
> opened it.  I guess this is not possible.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Sierra 10.12.4
> 
> Just go to purchased items and click on install next to the most recent 12.4 
> install.  Once the install starts and prompts you quit and find the file 
> under Applications.
> 
> 
>> On Mar 28, 2017, at 12:37 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  Everything looks fine. However I cannot find the right place to download 
>> the installation file to build the installer later on. Used to be one could 
>> find the download link for this. Maybe this has changed?
>> 
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Re: VNC on mac OSX

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

No, but I can't imagine it's any better than VNC on any other Unix/Linux
platform. Why would it be? This is an app that transfers picsels, not
objects and object data.

Best,

Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:
> Hi Listers,
> 
> I'm just wondering if anyone has played with VNC on a mac computer?
> 
> I've got a mac book air and a mac mini,
> 
> The air is running sierra and the mini is  a late 2012 quad core machine 
> spec'd out to the max for work,
> 
> Its running Yosemite currently and I'mtrying to setup remote access / desktop 
> to the mini which I've got working however I can't get vo to speak through 
> the connection,
> Yet playing around with el capitan a couple of months ago I managed to have 
> vo working through the remote connection and can't figure out how I did it.
> 
> Can anyone else advise on this and if they have had it work for them?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> Simon f
> got
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Re: VNC on mac OSX

[Tyler Thompson]

Ultimately you would have to use the remote machines screen reader. 
Unfortunately VNC does not support audio. You might be able to rig up some 
bizarre setup where you transmit audio over SSH and let VNC capture keyboard 
commands but you may have better luck with something like teamviewer 

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> On Mar 29, 2017, at 07:18, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
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> No, but I can't imagine it's any better than VNC on any other Unix/Linux
> platform. Why would it be? This is an app that transfers picsels, not
> objects and object data.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> Simon Fogarty writes:
>> Hi Listers,
>> 
>> I'm just wondering if anyone has played with VNC on a mac computer?
>> 
>> I've got a mac book air and a mac mini,
>> 
>> The air is running sierra and the mini is  a late 2012 quad core machine 
>> spec'd out to the max for work,
>> 
>> Its running Yosemite currently and I'mtrying to setup remote access / 
>> desktop to the mini which I've got working however I can't get vo to speak 
>> through the connection,
>> Yet playing around with el capitan a couple of months ago I managed to have 
>> vo working through the remote connection and can't figure out how I did it.
>> 
>> Can anyone else advise on this and if they have had it work for them?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> 
>> Simon f
>> got
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Re: Elon Musk is developing human machine interfaces

[Bill Gallik]

Scott et al,

I’d like to offer a couple of observations in reply to your e-mail message:

First, The University of Wisconsin Health Sciences Department (and I do mean 
THE University of Wisconsin in Madison) has been conducting some quite 
successful experiments with they refer to as “Brain Port” where a light 
processing device is placed on the tip of the tongue to find that those visual 
signals were routed to the visual cortex of the participating subjects.  One of 
those subjects is a friend I met while attending the North Central Technical 
College in Wausau.  I was quite curious and asked her if she considered this 
“true vision” or if it was perception that she trained her brain to interpret 
as vision.  According to Cathy the phenomena was indeed “true vision,” adding 
that she was able to watch a ball roll across a table top.  Cathy was fully 
sighted as a young girl and gradually lost her vision so she would certainly be 
aware of “true vision."

Second, I wonder if the Wright Brothers ever realized they were laying the 
foundation for Man’s journey into space? My point being this, technology 
progresses painfully slowly in many cases.  Moore’s Law is more the exception 
than the rule and whatever this “mad scientist” Scott refers to herein is able 
to initiate it is only a very small initial step.  I will caution that many of 
us on this list beyond 30 years of age may never be around to witness the 
culmination of en mass restored vision, but so far as I’m concerned God Bless 
folks like this that get the ball rolling!

- Bill
- "Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint."
- US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)

> On Mar 28, 2017, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I swear I really like this guy.  He’s a far out crazy futurist with just 
> enough insanity to pull this world changing stuff off.  Rockets, nah not 
> enough, electric cars that really work and are stylish / world changing, nah 
> that’s not enough either, now it’s time to hack the brain.
> 
> This is a bit off topic but I think hugely important to our community so I’m 
> posting this article and as always, should the mods wish to stop this thread 
> I’m happy to comply.
> 
> I’ve often said, on this list in fact that the only real way to solve the 
> accessibility problem is to solve the disability at the core.  There’s no 
> need for voice over for example if you fix the blindness of the user.  
> There’s no need for braille displays for deaf blind users if you restore 
> their censes either through electronic or biological means.  Well… here we 
> go.  Elon Musk is proposing we use neural lace or a proposed array of 
> electrodes to interface with the brain.  He’s starting a company to develop 
> the hardware and software for human to machine interfaces.  The direct 
> ability to upload and download thoughts from machines.  Augmenting features 
> of the brain with artificial intelligence and not only correcting for disease 
> but adding capabilities.  Imagine for example being able to simply think “ok 
> google, download everything I need to know to speak Japanese” and bam you’re 
> fully fluent.  Stuff of science fiction but the real world work begins.  Read 
> more here.
> 
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> http://www.theverge.com/2017/3/27/15077864/elon-musk-neuralink-brain-computer-interface-ai-cyborgs
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Re: Sierra 10.12.4

[E.T.]

   Every time there is an update, I copy it to an external drive (I 
save them all for the current OS I am running) and rename it with the 
new version. Then redo the USB installer now using Install Disk Creator.


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On 3/29/2017 4:42 AM, matthew dyer wrote:

Yes I know..  I have an ions;ler already.  I was just wondering if it is 
necessary to re download the installer each Time they release an update to Mac 
OS Sierra.  I have an installer, but it is not for  the latest upgrade.  Hope 
this makes sense.

Matthew



On Mar 29, 2017, at 3:44 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Yeah,
Creating a bootable installer is bloody easy now and done from the terminal.



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Subject: RE: Sierra 10.12.4

Hi,

Is this even necessary to do everytime a new update is released.  Is it still 
possible to create a bootable mac os recovery?  Recovery disk assistant use to 
be able to do this, but last time I tried it I got a blank window when I opened 
it.  I guess this is not possible.

Matthew



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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sierra 10.12.4

Just go to purchased items and click on install next to the most recent 12.4 
install.  Once the install starts and prompts you quit and find the file under 
Applications.



On Mar 28, 2017, at 12:37 AM, E.T.  wrote:

 Everything looks fine. However I cannot find the right place to download the 
installation file to build the installer later on. Used to be one could find 
the download link for this. Maybe this has changed?

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Male threading improved in latest iOS

[Phil Halton]

I see that the threading feature where you can read by flicking down through 
Messages has been approved. No longer does the place you at the headers, but 
set you straight to the message body. Thank goodness.

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Re: Looks like a new round of updates available

[Phil Halton]

Oh, those gold plated toilets are so last century!🙈🙊🙉

Sent from my IPhone


> On Mar 29, 2017, at 3:26 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> I want a gold plated toilet but that's not happening this week either.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Wednesday, 29 March 2017 2:17 AM
> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
> Subject: Re: Looks like a new round of updates available
> 
> I want an iPad pro update.
> 
> 
>> On Mar 28, 2017, at 4:59 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes Scott,
>> Just finished or should I say remembered to finish my watch, iPhone 
>> and iPad updated can't say I'm surprised, oh that's right I used the 
>> public beta till a couple of weeks ago.
>> 
>> The iPad 5 was also released today by the looks of it.
>> 
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>> Subject: Looks like a new round of updates available
>> 
>> Just saw a watch OS 3.2 update post and it appears IOS 10.3 is also 
>> available for iPhone and iPad.
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>> Flash em if you got em.
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Re: trouble since the sierra update

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I don’t have this issue.
/A
> 29 mars 2017 kl. 02:34 skrev jeff `greene :
> 
> Hi, Last night I did the Sierra update and everything went fine. But
> now I'm having some strange issues. VO seems really retisant like I
> have verbosity set to the lowest level, which I don't. Also, I can't
> get to the menu bar with VO+M on any screen, and also can't get to the
> extras menu. Is anybody else on the list having these issues? I'm
> running a 2012 15-inch macbook pro. Was thinking about booting into
> recovery and wiping my drive and going back to El Capitan for a while,
> but that would be a big pain in the butt!
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Re: trouble since the sierra update

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Not that problem but sometimes it jumps to the mailbox for no reason and also 
seem to have jumped a few lines up in the inbox.
Really frustrating.
/A
> 29 mars 2017 kl. 02:58 skrev Matthew Dyer :
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> Hi,
>  
> One problem that seems to be bugging me is in mail whare vo jumps to the last 
> message in the thread.  I have reported this several times but it is still 
> not fxed.  Anyone else seeing this.
>  
> Matthew
>  
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> I'm not having those problems, and I don't see them on a local 2012 Pro I 
> have access to. I have seen that odd verbosity problem right after updates 
> before, though, and toggling VO one or two times seemed to clear it right up. 
> Failing that, try restarting the Mac. That often helps get rid of odd 
> problems I see after updates on macOS, iOS, and watchOS.
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>> On Mar 28, 2017, at 20:34, jeff `greene > > wrote:
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>> now I'm having some strange issues. VO seems really retisant like I
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>> extras menu. Is anybody else on the list having these issues? I'm
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Pages 6.1 And Headings

[Barry Hadder]

Incase anyone was unaware, you can now navigate by headings in a pages document 
using Voiceover.
Just bring up the roter with vo-u and there is a headings list as well as book 
marks.  I really haven't been paying close attention to Pages lately so I don't 
know how long the heading rotor has been there but it may be new as well.  A 
nice thing about the new bookmarks feature is that it appears to automatically 
apply a bookmark to a heading style so they also appear in the bookmarks list.
Just thought I would pass this along.

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Re: Pages 6.1 And Headings

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hello Barry,

what a great news. I checked it for version 6.0.5 and there were no headlines 
available. Really great and it shows Apple is still developing VoiceOver for 
the Mac. :-)

Jürgen

> Am 29.03.2017 um 17:33 schrieb Barry Hadder :
> 
> Incase anyone was unaware, you can now navigate by headings in a pages 
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> Just bring up the roter with vo-u and there is a headings list as well as 
> book marks.  I really haven't been paying close attention to Pages lately so 
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> Just thought I would pass this along.
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Re: Pages 6.1 And Headings

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Yes, that is great news.  Just a note of clarification though, the update is to 
Pages, not VoiceOver, although it does affect VO.  This emphasizes the 
consideration that if apps have the proper accessible elements, then they are, 
by default, accessible to VO.  This is also not disputing that continuous 
improvements to VO are in Apple's plan.  Not sure why anyone would consider 
otherwise.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 29, 2017, at 10:01, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:

Hello Barry,

what a great news. I checked it for version 6.0.5 and there were no headlines 
available. Really great and it shows Apple is still developing VoiceOver for 
the Mac. :-)

Jürgen

> Am 29.03.2017 um 17:33 schrieb Barry Hadder :
> 
> Incase anyone was unaware, you can now navigate by headings in a pages 
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> Just bring up the roter with vo-u and there is a headings list as well as 
> book marks.  I really haven't been paying close attention to Pages lately so 
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> well.  A nice thing about the new bookmarks feature is that it appears to 
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> Just thought I would pass this along.
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> Barry Hadder
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Re: trouble since the sierra update

[christopher hallsworth]

No and I have an earlier Macbook Pro than you, late 2011 13 inch.
> On 29 Mar 2017, at 01:34, jeff `greene  wrote:
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> Hi, Last night I did the Sierra update and everything went fine. But
> now I'm having some strange issues. VO seems really retisant like I
> have verbosity set to the lowest level, which I don't. Also, I can't
> get to the menu bar with VO+M on any screen, and also can't get to the
> extras menu. Is anybody else on the list having these issues? I'm
> running a 2012 15-inch macbook pro. Was thinking about booting into
> recovery and wiping my drive and going back to El Capitan for a while,
> but that would be a big pain in the butt!
> Thanks Jeff
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Re: Pages 6.1 And Headings

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hello Tim,

thanks for the clarification. I know a lot of people who beleive Apple doesn’t 
develop VO for the Mac enough or at all anymore.

Jürgen

> Am 29.03.2017 um 18:08 schrieb Tim Kilburn :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yes, that is great news.  Just a note of clarification though, the update is 
> to Pages, not VoiceOver, although it does affect VO.  This emphasizes the 
> consideration that if apps have the proper accessible elements, then they 
> are, by default, accessible to VO.  This is also not disputing that 
> continuous improvements to VO are in Apple's plan.  Not sure why anyone would 
> consider otherwise.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 29, 2017, at 10:01, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> 
> Hello Barry,
> 
> what a great news. I checked it for version 6.0.5 and there were no headlines 
> available. Really great and it shows Apple is still developing VoiceOver for 
> the Mac. :-)
> 
> Jürgen
> 
>> Am 29.03.2017 um 17:33 schrieb Barry Hadder :
>> 
>> Incase anyone was unaware, you can now navigate by headings in a pages 
>> document using Voiceover.
>> Just bring up the roter with vo-u and there is a headings list as well as 
>> book marks.  I really haven't been paying close attention to Pages lately so 
>> I don't know how long the heading rotor has been there but it may be new as 
>> well.  A nice thing about the new bookmarks feature is that it appears to 
>> automatically apply a bookmark to a heading style so they also appear in the 
>> bookmarks list.
>> Just thought I would pass this along.
>> 
>> Barry Hadder
>> 
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Re: apple earpods

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I get my ear pods on the 6th of April.  I was in the Apple store and they were 
there to try on but none were in stock as I was told that once they got them, 
they were sold in a flash.

Kawal.
> On 29 Mar 2017, at 08:49, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Hi Listers,
>  
> Ok so with the apple release craziness yesterday,
> Does anyone know if there was an update to the EarPods and if so is it 
> automatically updated to my earpods through my phone?
>  
> I wish they would update the EarPods I gotta say I’m losing faith in the pods 
> as well as apple.
>  
> The pods need controls and a safety strap around your neck,
>  
> Cheers for any info you can provide.
>  
> Simon f
>  
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Re: Pages 6.1 And Headings

[Ramy Moustafa]

Very very great news, Thanks for passing the info

On 3/29/17, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> Hello Tim,
>
> thanks for the clarification. I know a lot of people who beleive Apple
> doesn’t develop VO for the Mac enough or at all anymore.
>
> Jürgen
>
>> Am 29.03.2017 um 18:08 schrieb Tim Kilburn :
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Yes, that is great news.  Just a note of clarification though, the update
>> is to Pages, not VoiceOver, although it does affect VO.  This emphasizes
>> the consideration that if apps have the proper accessible elements, then
>> they are, by default, accessible to VO.  This is also not disputing that
>> continuous improvements to VO are in Apple's plan.  Not sure why anyone
>> would consider otherwise.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Mar 29, 2017, at 10:01, Jürgen Fleger 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Barry,
>>
>> what a great news. I checked it for version 6.0.5 and there were no
>> headlines available. Really great and it shows Apple is still developing
>> VoiceOver for the Mac. :-)
>>
>> Jürgen
>>
>>> Am 29.03.2017 um 17:33 schrieb Barry Hadder :
>>>
>>> Incase anyone was unaware, you can now navigate by headings in a pages
>>> document using Voiceover.
>>> Just bring up the roter with vo-u and there is a headings list as well as
>>> book marks.  I really haven't been paying close attention to Pages lately
>>> so I don't know how long the heading rotor has been there but it may be
>>> new as well.  A nice thing about the new bookmarks feature is that it
>>> appears to automatically apply a bookmark to a heading style so they also
>>> appear in the bookmarks list.
>>> Just thought I would pass this along.
>>>
>>> Barry Hadder
>>>
>>>
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Pages headers & footers how to get rid of them

[Agent086b]

Hi all,
in a Pages document I hear headers & footers and if I am in the header I hear 
something like move away and use the option to close headers & footers. What is 
the command to close them? I don’t use them in most documents I write.
Thanks as always for any help.
Max.

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The best way to save my Documents and sheets

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello all my Friends:
I’m working on my MacBook, and i’m saving my Documents on my HD.
I need to work on my Iclound instead of taking a copy from my documents to 
iCloud every day or so.
I need your suggestions if this is the best way, or Working on iCloud  
Immediately?
I mean i can put my pages document and open it from Could and start working, is 
it better or what?
does it have any bad effects on my document?
Need your Ideas please.
Thanks in advance 

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