Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

[Jonathan Cohn]

On the down side they still have not enabled the required talking menus like 
Comcast. ComCast has certainly supported the disabled and the veterans,  
Best wishes,

Jonathan



> On Nov 24, 2016, at 7:21 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> It’s really fantastic other than they don’t support IPV6 yet in my area.  
> Otherwise it’s the best home service I’ve ever had.  With the quantum service 
> you get up to 500 megabits (last I look it might even be more), you can 
> record up to 12 shows at a time and have hundreds of hours of record time.  
> Plus you can pause live TV, you can be watching a show from the middle press 
> a key and it records or starts over from the top, the audio is stunning and I 
> understand the video is fantastic.  You can also DVR something in one room 
> and have it follow you to another and the DVR data is stored in the cloud so 
> no annoying loud hard drive spinning in your box.  You also get the total 
> amount of record time per box not as an aggregate.  On the internet side you 
> get an equal amount of data down as you do up which makes a huge difference.  
> I can publish 4K videos in seconds.
>   Comcast is about to launch some gigabit service if they haven’t so I 
> expect an increase in speed on the FIOS side soon as well.  I know they 
> tested 10G near me in Framingham Mass but I can’t imagine the bill for that 
> level of service.  It’s good though.  Verizon has a very good home service.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I am jealous of you people with Fios.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve never been able to push more than 18 megabits through any of the WRT 
>>> routers I’ve tried but honestly I jumped off their band wagon once Cisco 
>>> bought them.  This is a huge issue in Cisco gear and has been for their 
>>> entire life.  They are known for not providing wire speed solutions.  I 
>>> would be hesitant to try one on my 500 megabit service but even an airport 
>>> doesn’t quite saturate that link.  I use the provided ActionTech router 
>>> that FIOS offers and then use the airports as access points only.  I’ve 
>>> never gotten a Linksys though to even break the 20 megabit mark reliably 
>>> and that’s on the wired connection let alone the WiFi which slows even 
>>> further.  I’m hoping though this may have changed because in principle I 
>>> like their gear because you can flash different firmware on them.  DDWRT 
>>> and Tomato are very feature packed.
>>> 
 On Nov 24, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Erik Burggraaf  
 wrote:
 
 Hi Scott,
 
 I have used  four or five models of WRT family for about 10 years, 
 recommended them nearly  wholesale to customers, and never experienced any 
 issue where trafic on forwarded ports would be comparatively slower than 
 trafic taking place on a direct connection with no router at all.  This 
 may be partly due to the fact that 5 to 15 mbps for residential internet  
 is still the gold standard of price vs performance in Canada.  If we were 
 in any way competative in this area, perhapse the difference would be more 
 measurable, but I doubt that it would come down to 1/3 of total capacity.
 
 Best,
 
 Erik
 
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> On November 23, 2016 7:41:43 PM Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Janina, I thought like most Cisco products the links’s devices had 
> poor forwarding rates.  In other words, they only forward at a third to a 
> half of the line rate.  Has this changed in more recent years or does WRT 
> also help to address this with better more optimized software?
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
> 
>> On Nov 23, 2016, at 2:23 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> It's a couple years old now, but I regard the Linksys WRT1900AC as still
>> a top choice, but not for its native software because It's not all that
>> accessible. This router runs OpenWRT brilliantly, and OpenWRT is fully
>> accessible.
>> 
>> http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/linksys/wrt_ac_series
>> 
>> 
>> PS: I have no personal experience of any of Linksys' more recent
>> variants.
>> 
>> Just my preference. This is not an out of the box solution. There's some
>> assembly required, as the old saying goes.
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> 
>> Kawal Gucukoglu writes:
>>> I like my Airport Extreme so if it breaks down I'm not sure what I'm 
>>> going to do.  So I too will want to know a good reliable router if this 
>>> breaks down.
 On 22 Nov 2016, at 09:26, Krister Ekstrom  
 wrote:
 
 Uh oh, so what’s a good and accessible wireless router in case my old 
 trusty Airport Extreme breaks down on me?
 /Krister
 
> 21 no

Re: Good sound bar that will work well with an Apple TV and voiceover

[Scott Berry]

It really doesn’t matter what sound bar you use.  I don’t have a Sonos and the 
sound is I think really awesome.


> On Nov 25, 2016, at 12:17 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> 
> I haven't actually tried it but the Sonos system is pretty good I have the 
> sonos play 1 speakers and the IOS Sonos app works great for config and 
> useability 
> 
> The SOnos Play bar would be very configurable but you would need to have a tv 
> or device that you can connect it to as I don't think it has HDMI for 
> plugging in the Apple tv, but the bar does have Optical which most tv's have
> 
> Might be worth while having a look into,
>   
> 
> I have my aTV connected to the tv I have and then that is connected to my 
> speakers via optical and works great, I've been thinking about the sonos play 
> bar to allow my sonos play 1's to be able to output the audio from the aTV.
> Might have to have  a look at it again tomorrow.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
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> Subject: Good sound bar that will work well with an Apple TV and voiceover
> 
> I know I have brought this topic up before. Another year has gone by, and 
> there are many sound bars on sale right now with substantial discount. But if 
> I don't work any better than what we have now, I don't want to spend another 
> few hundred bucks and be disappointed. The problem I have, and I know others 
> have had it as well, is that when you have voiceover on your Apple TV and 
> that is connected to a sound bar, you miss words from voiceover. When sound 
> is playing, as when you have music or TV program active, there are no 
> VoiceOver missing words. This has something to do with the HDMI, and I don't 
> remember exactly what. But I know that when I look at the sound bars online, 
> it doesn't really give any indication of any of the specs that I might need 
> to know up to see if voiceover is going to work right. We just got a Roku 
> streaming stick with accessibility. It's suffers from the same problem as 
> voiceover. You miss lots of words. So, I would really like to get a nice 
> quality sound bar that actually lets me use these devices. I can sort of get 
> around it with the Apple TV by using a Bluetooth speaker. But then of course, 
> the sound bar isn't in use. Anyway, I would really like a top quality sound 
> bar that is going to do what I need it to do for any of these connected 
> devices that have voice accessibility. Does anybody have any advice?
> 
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Re: Good sound bar that will work well with an Apple TV and voiceover

[Donna Goodin]

OK, maybe this is a dumb question, but what is a sound bar?  I have a Sonos 
system, but have never heard it referred to as a sound bar.  

And BTW, like others, have been very happy with the sound of the Sonos, and the 
accessibility of the IOS app.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Nov 25, 2016, at 7:58 AM, Scott Berry  wrote:
> 
> It really doesn’t matter what sound bar you use.  I don’t have a Sonos and 
> the sound is I think really awesome.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 25, 2016, at 12:17 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary,
>> 
>> I haven't actually tried it but the Sonos system is pretty good I have the 
>> sonos play 1 speakers and the IOS Sonos app works great for config and 
>> useability 
>> 
>> The SOnos Play bar would be very configurable but you would need to have a 
>> tv or device that you can connect it to as I don't think it has HDMI for 
>> plugging in the Apple tv, but the bar does have Optical which most tv's have
>> 
>> Might be worth while having a look into,
>>  
>> 
>> I have my aTV connected to the tv I have and then that is connected to my 
>> speakers via optical and works great, I've been thinking about the sonos 
>> play bar to allow my sonos play 1's to be able to output the audio from the 
>> aTV.
>> Might have to have  a look at it again tomorrow.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Friday, 25 November 2016 11:21 AM
>> To: viph...@googlegroups.com; mac4thebl...@freelists.org; 
>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Good sound bar that will work well with an Apple TV and voiceover
>> 
>> I know I have brought this topic up before. Another year has gone by, and 
>> there are many sound bars on sale right now with substantial discount. But 
>> if I don't work any better than what we have now, I don't want to spend 
>> another few hundred bucks and be disappointed. The problem I have, and I 
>> know others have had it as well, is that when you have voiceover on your 
>> Apple TV and that is connected to a sound bar, you miss words from 
>> voiceover. When sound is playing, as when you have music or TV program 
>> active, there are no VoiceOver missing words. This has something to do with 
>> the HDMI, and I don't remember exactly what. But I know that when I look at 
>> the sound bars online, it doesn't really give any indication of any of the 
>> specs that I might need to know up to see if voiceover is going to work 
>> right. We just got a Roku streaming stick with accessibility. It's suffers 
>> from the same problem as voiceover. You miss lots of words. So, I would 
>> really like to get a nice quality sound bar that actually lets me use these 
>> devices. I can sort of get around it with the Apple TV by using a Bluetooth 
>> speaker. But then of course, the sound bar isn't in use. Anyway, I would 
>> really like a top quality sound bar that is going to do what I need it to do 
>> for any of these connected devices that have voice accessibility. Does 
>> anybody have any advice?
>> 
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Re: How is everyone finding sierra?

[Nancy Badger]

Did Sierra solve the focus problem with email?
Nancy

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UT Chattanooga
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> On Nov 25, 2016, at 2:09 AM, Maria Chapman  wrote:
> 
> HI.
> 
> what are the minor annoyances?
> 
> thanks
> Maria
> 
>> On 25 Nov 2016, at 1:16 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> Maria,
>>  Generally I wait until at least the .2 update but this time I did not even 
>> wait for the .1 update and I have no regrets at all.
>> 
>>  I put in an SSD this week and its even better. But there are some minor 
>> annoyances which is standard in my opinion. I would imagine  the .2 update 
>> will be released soon so you could wait for that and do one upgrade.
>> 
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>> 
>>> On 11/24/2016 5:47 PM, Maria Chapman wrote:
>>> HI.
>>> 
>>> subject line says it all.  Any problems? Advantages to updating?
>>> 
>>> Maria
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Re: How is everyone finding sierra?

[E.T.]

   One that comes to mind is VO, after closing an app such as Finder, 
it goes to the desktop and whatever item is focused, VO will repeat it 3 
times.


   Another one is when I stop interacting, VO does not always say 
anything as if I did not stop interacting.


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On 11/24/2016 11:09 PM, Maria Chapman wrote:

HI.

what are the minor annoyances?

thanks
Maria


On 25 Nov 2016, at 1:16 PM, E.T.  wrote:

Maria,
  Generally I wait until at least the .2 update but this time I did not even 
wait for the .1 update and I have no regrets at all.

  I put in an SSD this week and its even better. But there are some minor 
annoyances which is standard in my opinion. I would imagine  the .2 update will 
be released soon so you could wait for that and do one upgrade.

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On 11/24/2016 5:47 PM, Maria Chapman wrote:

HI.

subject line says it all.  Any problems? Advantages to updating?

Maria



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Re: How is everyone finding sierra?

[Daniel C]

Siera, In my opinion, can still use work.
While it runs fine on my MacBook Pro late 2011, I noticed that VO does tend to 
crash on the login screen, and sometimes it  reloads it's self, and sometimes 
it does not.

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Re: How is everyone finding sierra?

[Scott Granados]

Thatmay be do to really old hardware.  Don’t have these issues on a new model.

I did have return from sleep mode issues in the beta but that’s the beta so a 
different animal but somewhat related to your log in issues so it might 
indicate in your case a problem supporting the older display drivers.

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> Siera, In my opinion, can still use work.
> While it runs fine on my MacBook Pro late 2011, I noticed that VO does tend 
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Re: How is everyone finding sierra?

[E.T.]

   What does not need work? (smiles) I have a mid 2012 MBP. VO does not 
crash in Sierra, its just a bit too verbose or not enough but overall, 
better than El Capitan.


   Did you do a clean install?

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On 11/25/2016 8:23 AM, Daniel C wrote:

Siera, In my opinion, can still use work.
While it runs fine on my MacBook Pro late 2011, I noticed that VO does tend to 
crash on the login screen, and sometimes it  reloads it's self, and sometimes 
it does not.



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RE: How is everyone finding sierra?

[ilovecountrymusic483]

Hi,

No I hve had  this problem since its release and have reported it and it strill 
is not fixed,.  It is very annoingt.

Matthew



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Subject: Re: How is everyone finding sierra?

Did Sierra solve the focus problem with email?
Nancy

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UT Chattanooga
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> On Nov 25, 2016, at 2:09 AM, Maria Chapman  wrote:
> 
> HI.
> 
> what are the minor annoyances?
> 
> thanks
> Maria
> 
>> On 25 Nov 2016, at 1:16 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> Maria,
>>  Generally I wait until at least the .2 update but this time I did not even 
>> wait for the .1 update and I have no regrets at all.
>> 
>>  I put in an SSD this week and its even better. But there are some minor 
>> annoyances which is standard in my opinion. I would imagine  the .2 update 
>> will be released soon so you could wait for that and do one upgrade.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> Without H2O there is no life!
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On 11/24/2016 5:47 PM, Maria Chapman wrote:
>>> HI.
>>> 
>>> subject line says it all.  Any problems? Advantages to updating?
>>> 
>>> Maria
>>> 
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Re: Good sound bar that will work well with an Apple TV and voiceover

[Scott Granados]

Hi Donna, a sound bar is a general term for a long sometimes tube shaped or 
square thin box with stereo speakers mounted.  Instead of having traditional 
speakers that sit in the corners and fire in to the center of the room these 
have the speakers fire out from a. Single box you sit under your TV for example 
in to the room sort of inversing the sound distribution process.  It’s great 
for smaller rooms and apartments or conditions where you don’t want to run 
wires.


> On Nov 25, 2016, at 9:01 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> OK, maybe this is a dumb question, but what is a sound bar?  I have a Sonos 
> system, but have never heard it referred to as a sound bar.  
> 
> And BTW, like others, have been very happy with the sound of the Sonos, and 
> the accessibility of the IOS app.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Nov 25, 2016, at 7:58 AM, Scott Berry  wrote:
>> 
>> It really doesn’t matter what sound bar you use.  I don’t have a Sonos and 
>> the sound is I think really awesome.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 25, 2016, at 12:17 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Mary,
>>> 
>>> I haven't actually tried it but the Sonos system is pretty good I have the 
>>> sonos play 1 speakers and the IOS Sonos app works great for config and 
>>> useability 
>>> 
>>> The SOnos Play bar would be very configurable but you would need to have a 
>>> tv or device that you can connect it to as I don't think it has HDMI for 
>>> plugging in the Apple tv, but the bar does have Optical which most tv's have
>>> 
>>> Might be worth while having a look into,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have my aTV connected to the tv I have and then that is connected to my 
>>> speakers via optical and works great, I've been thinking about the sonos 
>>> play bar to allow my sonos play 1's to be able to output the audio from the 
>>> aTV.
>>> Might have to have  a look at it again tomorrow.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>>> Sent: Friday, 25 November 2016 11:21 AM
>>> To: viph...@googlegroups.com; mac4thebl...@freelists.org; 
>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Good sound bar that will work well with an Apple TV and voiceover
>>> 
>>> I know I have brought this topic up before. Another year has gone by, and 
>>> there are many sound bars on sale right now with substantial discount. But 
>>> if I don't work any better than what we have now, I don't want to spend 
>>> another few hundred bucks and be disappointed. The problem I have, and I 
>>> know others have had it as well, is that when you have voiceover on your 
>>> Apple TV and that is connected to a sound bar, you miss words from 
>>> voiceover. When sound is playing, as when you have music or TV program 
>>> active, there are no VoiceOver missing words. This has something to do with 
>>> the HDMI, and I don't remember exactly what. But I know that when I look at 
>>> the sound bars online, it doesn't really give any indication of any of the 
>>> specs that I might need to know up to see if voiceover is going to work 
>>> right. We just got a Roku streaming stick with accessibility. It's suffers 
>>> from the same problem as voiceover. You miss lots of words. So, I would 
>>> really like to get a nice quality sound bar that actually lets me use these 
>>> devices. I can sort of get around it with the Apple TV by using a Bluetooth 
>>> speaker. But then of course, the sound bar isn't in use. Anyway, I would 
>>> really like a top quality sound bar that is going to do what I need it to 
>>> do for any of these connected devices that have voice accessibility. Does 
>>> anybody have any advice?
>>> 
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Braille screen input

[Sandra E. Finley]

Good morning. Is anyone else having difficulty with braille screen input? The 
dots are not in the appropriate places, even when I calibrate the screen with 
my right hand, followed by my left hand. I get dots  1 2 3 4 and 5  but not 6, 
or 1 2 4 5 6  andd no 4. The mysterious thing is, it has not always been like 
this. I don't understand why there has been a change or  how to fix it. This 
happens whether I am in tabletop or away mode. Thank you.

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Re: Braille screen input

[Aleeha Dudley]

That’s interesting. I’ve not been experiencing that problem. Perhaps try 
locking your orientation in one mode or the other? I’m just grasping at straws 
here, but maybe that would work. 
HTH,
Aleeha 
> On Nov 25, 2016, at 10:55 AM, Sandra E. Finley  wrote:
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> Good morning. Is anyone else having difficulty with braille screen input? The 
> dots are not in the appropriate places, even when I calibrate the screen with 
> my right hand, followed by my left hand. I get dots  1 2 3 4 and 5  but not 
> 6, or 1 2 4 5 6  andd no 4. The mysterious thing is, it has not always been 
> like this. I don't understand why there has been a change or  how to fix it. 
> This happens whether I am in tabletop or away mode. Thank you.
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Re: Braille screen input

[Robert Hill]

Are you trying to enter a full braille cell? 
If so, you can only enter 5 dots at a time. 
So what I do is press down 5 fingers, then lift up one, and complete the full 
cell, then lift up all fingers. 

I hope this is what you were looking for. 

Bob Hill 



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> On Nov 25, 2016, at 11:55 AM, Sandra E. Finley  wrote:
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> Good morning. Is anyone else having difficulty with braille screen input? The 
> dots are not in the appropriate places, even when I calibrate the screen with 
> my right hand, followed by my left hand. I get dots  1 2 3 4 and 5  but not 
> 6, or 1 2 4 5 6  andd no 4. The mysterious thing is, it has not always been 
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Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

[Scott Granados]

They have that’s true and Comcast does have the talking menus but on the down 
side, you’re on the Comcast network.  The HD performance is shameful and over 
compressed, the DVR is not nearly as feature packed and you do not have 
equivalent upload and download speeds.  You’re also on some shared facilities 
on the last mile.  But your points are good ones they are good to veterans 
which is very important although Verizon seemed to be as well from what I saw 
on the wireless side and Comcast does have talking boxes which does help.  

Speaking of Veterans I used to work with Bill Clinton’s White House switch 
operator.:). They put a lot of marines in networking and telecommunications.

> On Nov 25, 2016, at 8:26 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> On the down side they still have not enabled the required talking menus like 
> Comcast. ComCast has certainly supported the disabled and the veterans,  
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 7:21 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> It’s really fantastic other than they don’t support IPV6 yet in my area.  
>> Otherwise it’s the best home service I’ve ever had.  With the quantum 
>> service you get up to 500 megabits (last I look it might even be more), you 
>> can record up to 12 shows at a time and have hundreds of hours of record 
>> time.  Plus you can pause live TV, you can be watching a show from the 
>> middle press a key and it records or starts over from the top, the audio is 
>> stunning and I understand the video is fantastic.  You can also DVR 
>> something in one room and have it follow you to another and the DVR data is 
>> stored in the cloud so no annoying loud hard drive spinning in your box.  
>> You also get the total amount of record time per box not as an aggregate.  
>> On the internet side you get an equal amount of data down as you do up which 
>> makes a huge difference.  I can publish 4K videos in seconds.
>>  Comcast is about to launch some gigabit service if they haven’t so I 
>> expect an increase in speed on the FIOS side soon as well.  I know they 
>> tested 10G near me in Framingham Mass but I can’t imagine the bill for that 
>> level of service.  It’s good though.  Verizon has a very good home service.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am jealous of you people with Fios.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Scott Granados >>> > wrote:
 
 I’ve never been able to push more than 18 megabits through any of the WRT 
 routers I’ve tried but honestly I jumped off their band wagon once Cisco 
 bought them.  This is a huge issue in Cisco gear and has been for their 
 entire life.  They are known for not providing wire speed solutions.  I 
 would be hesitant to try one on my 500 megabit service but even an airport 
 doesn’t quite saturate that link.  I use the provided ActionTech router 
 that FIOS offers and then use the airports as access points only.  I’ve 
 never gotten a Linksys though to even break the 20 megabit mark reliably 
 and that’s on the wired connection let alone the WiFi which slows even 
 further.  I’m hoping though this may have changed because in principle I 
 like their gear because you can flash different firmware on them.  DDWRT 
 and Tomato are very feature packed.
 
> On Nov 24, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Erik Burggraaf  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> I have used  four or five models of WRT family for about 10 years, 
> recommended them nearly  wholesale to customers, and never experienced 
> any issue where trafic on forwarded ports would be comparatively slower 
> than trafic taking place on a direct connection with no router at all.  
> This may be partly due to the fact that 5 to 15 mbps for residential 
> internet  is still the gold standard of price vs performance in Canada.  
> If we were in any way competative in this area, perhapse the difference 
> would be more measurable, but I doubt that it would come down to 1/3 of 
> total capacity.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Erik
> 
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> 
> 
>> On November 23, 2016 7:41:43 PM Scott Granados 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Janina, I thought like most Cisco products the links’s devices had 
>> poor forwarding rates.  In other words, they only forward at a third to 
>> a half of the line rate.  Has this changed in more recent years or does 
>> WRT also help to address this with better more optimized software?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Scott
>> 
>>> On Nov 23, 2016, at 2:23 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's a couple years old now, but I regard the Li

Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

[Mary Otten]

True, with regard to Comcast and the talking menus. However, the prices are out 
rages, unacceptably so. They take advantage of their monopoly position in 
markets where they have that. Notice the difference between Comcast pricing 
where there is competition and where there isn't. I live in an area where there 
isn't, and as of the middle of next month, Comcast TV will not be in our house 
anymore.
Mary


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> On Nov 25, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> They have that’s true and Comcast does have the talking menus but on the down 
> side, you’re on the Comcast network.  The HD performance is shameful and over 
> compressed, the DVR is not nearly as feature packed and you do not have 
> equivalent upload and download speeds.  You’re also on some shared facilities 
> on the last mile.  But your points are good ones they are good to veterans 
> which is very important although Verizon seemed to be as well from what I saw 
> on the wireless side and Comcast does have talking boxes which does help.  
> 
> Speaking of Veterans I used to work with Bill Clinton’s White House switch 
> operator.:). They put a lot of marines in networking and telecommunications.
> 
>> On Nov 25, 2016, at 8:26 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> On the down side they still have not enabled the required talking menus like 
>> Comcast. ComCast has certainly supported the disabled and the veterans,  
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 7:21 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It’s really fantastic other than they don’t support IPV6 yet in my area.  
>>> Otherwise it’s the best home service I’ve ever had.  With the quantum 
>>> service you get up to 500 megabits (last I look it might even be more), you 
>>> can record up to 12 shows at a time and have hundreds of hours of record 
>>> time.  Plus you can pause live TV, you can be watching a show from the 
>>> middle press a key and it records or starts over from the top, the audio is 
>>> stunning and I understand the video is fantastic.  You can also DVR 
>>> something in one room and have it follow you to another and the DVR data is 
>>> stored in the cloud so no annoying loud hard drive spinning in your box.  
>>> You also get the total amount of record time per box not as an aggregate.  
>>> On the internet side you get an equal amount of data down as you do up 
>>> which makes a huge difference.  I can publish 4K videos in seconds.
>>> Comcast is about to launch some gigabit service if they haven’t so I 
>>> expect an increase in speed on the FIOS side soon as well.  I know they 
>>> tested 10G near me in Framingham Mass but I can’t imagine the bill for that 
>>> level of service.  It’s good though.  Verizon has a very good home service.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 24, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 I am jealous of you people with Fios.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> I’ve never been able to push more than 18 megabits through any of the WRT 
> routers I’ve tried but honestly I jumped off their band wagon once Cisco 
> bought them.  This is a huge issue in Cisco gear and has been for their 
> entire life.  They are known for not providing wire speed solutions.  I 
> would be hesitant to try one on my 500 megabit service but even an 
> airport doesn’t quite saturate that link.  I use the provided ActionTech 
> router that FIOS offers and then use the airports as access points only.  
> I’ve never gotten a Linksys though to even break the 20 megabit mark 
> reliably and that’s on the wired connection let alone the WiFi which 
> slows even further.  I’m hoping though this may have changed because in 
> principle I like their gear because you can flash different firmware on 
> them.  DDWRT and Tomato are very feature packed.
> 
>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Erik Burggraaf  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott,
>> 
>> I have used  four or five models of WRT family for about 10 years, 
>> recommended them nearly  wholesale to customers, and never experienced 
>> any issue where trafic on forwarded ports would be comparatively slower 
>> than trafic taking place on a direct connection with no router at all.  
>> This may be partly due to the fact that 5 to 15 mbps for residential 
>> internet  is still the gold standard of price vs performance in Canada.  
>> If we were in any way competative in this area, perhapse the difference 
>> would be more measurable, but I doubt that it would come down to 1/3 of 
>> total capacity.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Erik
>> 
>> Sent with AquaMail for Android
>> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>> 
>> 
>>> On November 23, 2016 7:41:43 PM Scott Granados 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Janina, I thought like most Cisco products the links’s devices

Re: How is everyone finding sierra?

[christopher hallsworth]

Not here, same mac as you, try doing a clean install.
> On 25 Nov 2016, at 16:23, Daniel C  wrote:
> 
> Siera, In my opinion, can still use work.
> While it runs fine on my MacBook Pro late 2011, I noticed that VO does tend 
> to crash on the login screen, and sometimes it  reloads it's self, and 
> sometimes it does not.
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Unable to change voices on IPhone SE, IOS10

[Marcia Yale]

The subject line says it all--I just got a new iPhone SE and I want to get
rid of Samantha and have Alex as my default voice for VoiceOver. I
downloaded Alex, but can't get him activated. What am I doing wrong here?

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Re: Unable to change voices on IPhone SE, IOS10

[Brian Moore]

Hi.  I just got the same phone and did it the same as I did on my 5s and 
had no issue.



very odd.


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On 11/25/2016 2:38 PM, Marcia Yale wrote:

The subject line says it all--I just got a new iPhone SE and I want to get
rid of Samantha and have Alex as my default voice for VoiceOver. I
downloaded Alex, but can't get him activated. What am I doing wrong here?

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Re: How is everyone finding sierra?

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi,
the most annoying in my opinion is the sluggishnes of VO. For example: If I 
press CMD + w to close a document in Textedit without saving it I always press 
VO + FN + right arrow to jump quickly to end and then twice VO + left arrow to 
find „don’t save“. I press these key combinations quickly but VO reads all 
buttons it passed one after the other and reads them out loud before it 
actually reads the button I’m sitting on for ages. 
Another annoying thing is VO doesn’t always give voice feedback if I navigate 
through files and folders in Finder, if column view is set and I just use arrow 
key up or down to move around. I’m forced to use VO + arrow keys to move around 
if I want to hear all the folder and file names VO passes. Not a real big thing 
but like that it’s not really nice to use first letter navigation.
I like Sierra but from OS to OS VO seems to me to become less responsive and 
more sluggish in reading content. Hopefully Apple is going to recognize this 
and then fix it. 
All the best
Jürgen

> Am 25.11.2016 um 17:33 schrieb E.T. :
> 
>   What does not need work? (smiles) I have a mid 2012 MBP. VO does not crash 
> in Sierra, its just a bit too verbose or not enough but overall, better than 
> El Capitan.
> 
>   Did you do a clean install?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Without H2O there is no life!
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 11/25/2016 8:23 AM, Daniel C wrote:
>> Siera, In my opinion, can still use work.
>> While it runs fine on my MacBook Pro late 2011, I noticed that VO does tend 
>> to crash on the login screen, and sometimes it  reloads it's self, and 
>> sometimes it does not.
>> 
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Re: Good sound bar that will work well with an Apple TV and voiceover

[Mary Otten]

OK, further to my sound bar issue. I did not correctly describe how the sound 
bar was connected to the TV. It is in fact connected via an optical digital 
link between the television and the sound bar. I recall now that but this was 
the case with my former audio video receiver and the second generation Apple 
TV. And it had the problem I have described. With the fourth generation Apple 
TV and the sound bar, when we had the problem, we went and purchased a new and 
better optical cable, thinking that this could be the problem. We tried it on 
two TVs, both of them Samsung flatscreen models. So you have the Apple TV 
connected through HDMI to the TV, and then the optical out to the sound bar. In 
both cases, I have the choppy audio problem missing words or beginning's of 
words. And now with Roku the same applies to their excess ability solution. I 
do remember seeing stuff in the past that talked about being able to use HDMI 
out to a sound bar if you had an HDMI connector on your sound bar, which I 
don't. And then you have to have something called arc, ARC to have that work 
right. It's called audio return channel. So at this point, I'm not sure what to 
look for. Since I seem to have a wiring set up that you, Scott, talked about, 
albeit with a different sound bar. Having had this problem with two different 
Samsung TVs using optical cable to the sound bar, it's either something with 
the TVs, something with the sound bar, or I just don't know. It's very 
frustrating, that much I do know.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:16 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Mary, I’ve got the solution for you.
> 
> I use a Sony sound bar which I absolutely love.  It’s the higher end Sony 
> sound bar that Best Buy sells, I’ll have my assistant read the model number 
> off if you want although I think it’s a pretty standard model.  The key is, 
> it has an optical in.  How I have it wired is as follows.
> 
> The HDMI from the different devices (set top box for FIOS, Apple TV, Fire TV, 
> Xbox 1) go direct from the device to the TV.  Then, I take the optical out 
> from the TV and patch it directly to the optical in on the sound bar.  You 
> use the TV as the HDMI switcher.  Voice over works flawlessly with no lost 
> words in this configuration.  It never dropped any with HDMI passed right 
> through either but the issue I had there was the audio would entirely stop 
> once in a while and require a restart of the sound bar.  Using the optical 
> transport has totally eliminated all sound loss issues and provides a 
> fantastic sound quality.  This sound bar also has a very nice sub which is 
> wireless and can be placed  anywhere in the room.  There’s even a mode for 
> apartment use so it tries to isolate the sound more in your space and let 
> less leak in to the adjoining units.  Can’t say enough good things about it.  
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 5:20 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I know I have brought this topic up before. Another year has gone by, and 
>> there are many sound bars on sale right now with substantial discount. But 
>> if I don't work any better than what we have now, I don't want to spend 
>> another few hundred bucks and be disappointed. The problem I have, and I 
>> know others have had it as well, is that when you have voiceover on your 
>> Apple TV and that is connected to a sound bar, you miss words from 
>> voiceover. When sound is playing, as when you have music or TV program 
>> active, there are no VoiceOver missing words. This has something to do with 
>> the HDMI, and I don't remember exactly what. But I know that when I look at 
>> the sound bars online, it doesn't really give any indication of any of the 
>> specs that I might need to know up to see if voiceover is going to work 
>> right. We just got a Roku streaming stick with accessibility. It's suffers 
>> from the same problem as voiceover. You miss lots of words. So, I would 
>> really like to get a nice quality sound bar that actually lets me use these 
>> devices. I can sort of get around it with the Apple TV by using a Bluetooth 
>> speaker. But then of course, the sound bar isn't in use. Anyway, I would 
>> really like a top quality sound bar that is going to do what I need it to do 
>> for any of these connected devices that have voice accessibility. Does 
>> anybody have any advice?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Trying to install an app from Safari and can't figure out where I go in system preferences to enable the functionality.

[Joseph Hudson]

Hello, the subject line says it all. Can't figure out where to go in system 
preferences to allow downloads from places SSS Safari. I worked in security, 
but an unable to find what I need. Can somebody help?
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Re: Trying to install an app from Safari and can't figure out where I go in system preferences to enable the functionality.

[Scott Granados]

Go to security under general and almost all the way to the right there’s an 
area where you can set from App Store only.  If you’re trying to install as 
well you’ll see in many cases a one off entry where you can approve the 
specific application.  The key is to be under general under security.

Hope that helps.

> On Nov 25, 2016, at 3:06 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
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> Hello, the subject line says it all. Can't figure out where to go in system 
> preferences to allow downloads from places SSS Safari. I worked in security, 
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Re: Trying to install an app from Safari and can't figure out where I go in system preferences to enable the functionality.

[Aleeha Dudley]

Hi, 
It’s in the general tab of security and privacy. 
Aleeha 
> On Nov 25, 2016, at 2:06 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
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> Hello, the subject line says it all. Can't figure out where to go in system 
> preferences to allow downloads from places SSS Safari. I worked in security, 
> but an unable to find what I need. Can somebody help?
> Joseph Hudson 
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Re: Good sound bar that will work well with an Apple TV and voiceover

[Scott Granados]

To add even more confusion to this, I’m using Samsung flat screens as well, so 
we have the same brand television.  Do you get a loss of audio from the flat 
screens internal speakers or just to the sound bar itself?  You might have some 
sort of sleep setting where the sound bar goes in to a powered down state and 
wakes up only when it receives signal, that might need to be disabled in the 
sound bars internal menu.

> On Nov 25, 2016, at 2:59 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> OK, further to my sound bar issue. I did not correctly describe how the sound 
> bar was connected to the TV. It is in fact connected via an optical digital 
> link between the television and the sound bar. I recall now that but this was 
> the case with my former audio video receiver and the second generation Apple 
> TV. And it had the problem I have described. With the fourth generation Apple 
> TV and the sound bar, when we had the problem, we went and purchased a new 
> and better optical cable, thinking that this could be the problem. We tried 
> it on two TVs, both of them Samsung flatscreen models. So you have the Apple 
> TV connected through HDMI to the TV, and then the optical out to the sound 
> bar. In both cases, I have the choppy audio problem missing words or 
> beginning's of words. And now with Roku the same applies to their excess 
> ability solution. I do remember seeing stuff in the past that talked about 
> being able to use HDMI out to a sound bar if you had an HDMI connector on 
> your sound bar, which I don't. And then you have to have something called 
> arc, ARC to have that work right. It's called audio return channel. So at 
> this point, I'm not sure what to look for. Since I seem to have a wiring set 
> up that you, Scott, talked about, albeit with a different sound bar. Having 
> had this problem with two different Samsung TVs using optical cable to the 
> sound bar, it's either something with the TVs, something with the sound bar, 
> or I just don't know. It's very frustrating, that much I do know.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:16 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Mary, I’ve got the solution for you.
>> 
>> I use a Sony sound bar which I absolutely love.  It’s the higher end Sony 
>> sound bar that Best Buy sells, I’ll have my assistant read the model number 
>> off if you want although I think it’s a pretty standard model.  The key is, 
>> it has an optical in.  How I have it wired is as follows.
>> 
>> The HDMI from the different devices (set top box for FIOS, Apple TV, Fire 
>> TV, Xbox 1) go direct from the device to the TV.  Then, I take the optical 
>> out from the TV and patch it directly to the optical in on the sound bar.  
>> You use the TV as the HDMI switcher.  Voice over works flawlessly with no 
>> lost words in this configuration.  It never dropped any with HDMI passed 
>> right through either but the issue I had there was the audio would entirely 
>> stop once in a while and require a restart of the sound bar.  Using the 
>> optical transport has totally eliminated all sound loss issues and provides 
>> a fantastic sound quality.  This sound bar also has a very nice sub which is 
>> wireless and can be placed  anywhere in the room.  There’s even a mode for 
>> apartment use so it tries to isolate the sound more in your space and let 
>> less leak in to the adjoining units.  Can’t say enough good things about it. 
>>  
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 5:20 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I know I have brought this topic up before. Another year has gone by, and 
>>> there are many sound bars on sale right now with substantial discount. But 
>>> if I don't work any better than what we have now, I don't want to spend 
>>> another few hundred bucks and be disappointed. The problem I have, and I 
>>> know others have had it as well, is that when you have voiceover on your 
>>> Apple TV and that is connected to a sound bar, you miss words from 
>>> voiceover. When sound is playing, as when you have music or TV program 
>>> active, there are no VoiceOver missing words. This has something to do with 
>>> the HDMI, and I don't remember exactly what. But I know that when I look at 
>>> the sound bars online, it doesn't really give any indication of any of the 
>>> specs that I might need to know up to see if voiceover is going to work 
>>> right. We just got a Roku streaming stick with accessibility. It's suffers 
>>> from the same problem as voiceover. You miss lots of words. So, I would 
>>> really like to get a nice quality sound bar that actually lets me use these 
>>> devices. I can sort of get around it with the Apple TV by using a Bluetooth 
>>> speaker. But then of course, the sound bar isn't in use. Anyway, I would 
>>> really like a top quality sound bar that is going to do what I need it to 
>>> do for any of these connected devices that have voice accessibility. Does 
>>> anybody have any advice?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> -- 

Re: Good sound bar that will work well with an Apple TV and voiceover

[Mary Otten]

There is no chopping problem with the TV internal speakers on either TV. Of 
course it sounds god awful, but the voiceover or Roku audio does not chop. I'm 
not sure about any sort of sleep setting regarding the sound bar internal menu. 
I don't even know if it has an internal menu, since if it does, it's not 
accessible. I will get my husband to look into that. Interesting however, that 
the problem existed on an older Apple TV with an N a D receiver as well. I 
wonder if this sleep setting is common. We don't have that receiver anymore so 
we can't check.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 25, 2016, at 12:11 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> To add even more confusion to this, I’m using Samsung flat screens as well, 
> so we have the same brand television.  Do you get a loss of audio from the 
> flat screens internal speakers or just to the sound bar itself?  You might 
> have some sort of sleep setting where the sound bar goes in to a powered down 
> state and wakes up only when it receives signal, that might need to be 
> disabled in the sound bars internal menu.
> 
>> On Nov 25, 2016, at 2:59 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, further to my sound bar issue. I did not correctly describe how the 
>> sound bar was connected to the TV. It is in fact connected via an optical 
>> digital link between the television and the sound bar. I recall now that but 
>> this was the case with my former audio video receiver and the second 
>> generation Apple TV. And it had the problem I have described. With the 
>> fourth generation Apple TV and the sound bar, when we had the problem, we 
>> went and purchased a new and better optical cable, thinking that this could 
>> be the problem. We tried it on two TVs, both of them Samsung flatscreen 
>> models. So you have the Apple TV connected through HDMI to the TV, and then 
>> the optical out to the sound bar. In both cases, I have the choppy audio 
>> problem missing words or beginning's of words. And now with Roku the same 
>> applies to their excess ability solution. I do remember seeing stuff in the 
>> past that talked about being able to use HDMI out to a sound bar if you had 
>> an HDMI connector on your sound bar, which I don't. And then you have to 
>> have something called arc, ARC to have that work right. It's called audio 
>> return channel. So at this point, I'm not sure what to look for. Since I 
>> seem to have a wiring set up that you, Scott, talked about, albeit with a 
>> different sound bar. Having had this problem with two different Samsung TVs 
>> using optical cable to the sound bar, it's either something with the TVs, 
>> something with the sound bar, or I just don't know. It's very frustrating, 
>> that much I do know.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:16 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mary, I’ve got the solution for you.
>>> 
>>> I use a Sony sound bar which I absolutely love.  It’s the higher end Sony 
>>> sound bar that Best Buy sells, I’ll have my assistant read the model number 
>>> off if you want although I think it’s a pretty standard model.  The key is, 
>>> it has an optical in.  How I have it wired is as follows.
>>> 
>>> The HDMI from the different devices (set top box for FIOS, Apple TV, Fire 
>>> TV, Xbox 1) go direct from the device to the TV.  Then, I take the optical 
>>> out from the TV and patch it directly to the optical in on the sound bar.  
>>> You use the TV as the HDMI switcher.  Voice over works flawlessly with no 
>>> lost words in this configuration.  It never dropped any with HDMI passed 
>>> right through either but the issue I had there was the audio would entirely 
>>> stop once in a while and require a restart of the sound bar.  Using the 
>>> optical transport has totally eliminated all sound loss issues and provides 
>>> a fantastic sound quality.  This sound bar also has a very nice sub which 
>>> is wireless and can be placed  anywhere in the room.  There’s even a mode 
>>> for apartment use so it tries to isolate the sound more in your space and 
>>> let less leak in to the adjoining units.  Can’t say enough good things 
>>> about it.  
>>> 
>>> Hope that helps.
>>> 
 On Nov 24, 2016, at 5:20 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 I know I have brought this topic up before. Another year has gone by, and 
 there are many sound bars on sale right now with substantial discount. But 
 if I don't work any better than what we have now, I don't want to spend 
 another few hundred bucks and be disappointed. The problem I have, and I 
 know others have had it as well, is that when you have voiceover on your 
 Apple TV and that is connected to a sound bar, you miss words from 
 voiceover. When sound is playing, as when you have music or TV program 
 active, there are no VoiceOver missing words. This has something to do 
 with the HDMI, and I don't remember exactly what. But I know that when I 
 look at the sound bars online, it doesn't really 

Re: Trying to install an app from Safari and can't figure out where I go in system preferences to enable the functionality.

[Joseph Hudson]

Hi Scott, I just looked. In that box is checked. The application I speak of, 
his TeamTalk. This is apparently not allowing TeamTalk to be installed what 
should I select instead?
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> On Nov 25, 2016, at 2:08 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Go to security under general and almost all the way to the right there’s an 
> area where you can set from App Store only.  If you’re trying to install as 
> well you’ll see in many cases a one off entry where you can approve the 
> specific application.  The key is to be under general under security.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
>> On Nov 25, 2016, at 3:06 PM, Joseph Hudson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, the subject line says it all. Can't figure out where to go in system 
>> preferences to allow downloads from places SSS Safari. I worked in security, 
>> but an unable to find what I need. Can somebody help?
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Re: Good sound bar that will work well with an Apple TV and voiceover

[Mary Otten]

Hi Scott, does that Sony sound bar you have have the sleep setting you referred 
to? And did you happen to find it's model number? It looks like Best Buy 
currently has four sound bars from Sony.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:16 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Mary, I’ve got the solution for you.
> 
> I use a Sony sound bar which I absolutely love.  It’s the higher end Sony 
> sound bar that Best Buy sells, I’ll have my assistant read the model number 
> off if you want although I think it’s a pretty standard model.  The key is, 
> it has an optical in.  How I have it wired is as follows.
> 
> The HDMI from the different devices (set top box for FIOS, Apple TV, Fire TV, 
> Xbox 1) go direct from the device to the TV.  Then, I take the optical out 
> from the TV and patch it directly to the optical in on the sound bar.  You 
> use the TV as the HDMI switcher.  Voice over works flawlessly with no lost 
> words in this configuration.  It never dropped any with HDMI passed right 
> through either but the issue I had there was the audio would entirely stop 
> once in a while and require a restart of the sound bar.  Using the optical 
> transport has totally eliminated all sound loss issues and provides a 
> fantastic sound quality.  This sound bar also has a very nice sub which is 
> wireless and can be placed  anywhere in the room.  There’s even a mode for 
> apartment use so it tries to isolate the sound more in your space and let 
> less leak in to the adjoining units.  Can’t say enough good things about it.  
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 5:20 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I know I have brought this topic up before. Another year has gone by, and 
>> there are many sound bars on sale right now with substantial discount. But 
>> if I don't work any better than what we have now, I don't want to spend 
>> another few hundred bucks and be disappointed. The problem I have, and I 
>> know others have had it as well, is that when you have voiceover on your 
>> Apple TV and that is connected to a sound bar, you miss words from 
>> voiceover. When sound is playing, as when you have music or TV program 
>> active, there are no VoiceOver missing words. This has something to do with 
>> the HDMI, and I don't remember exactly what. But I know that when I look at 
>> the sound bars online, it doesn't really give any indication of any of the 
>> specs that I might need to know up to see if voiceover is going to work 
>> right. We just got a Roku streaming stick with accessibility. It's suffers 
>> from the same problem as voiceover. You miss lots of words. So, I would 
>> really like to get a nice quality sound bar that actually lets me use these 
>> devices. I can sort of get around it with the Apple TV by using a Bluetooth 
>> speaker. But then of course, the sound bar isn't in use. Anyway, I would 
>> really like a top quality sound bar that is going to do what I need it to do 
>> for any of these connected devices that have voice accessibility. Does 
>> anybody have any advice?
>> 
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Re: Trying to install an app from Safari and can't figure out where I go in system preferences to enable the functionality.

[Scott Granados]

So when I do this under Sierra and go to general and there’s an app to be 
installed I’ll see the app name and then an allow or deny option, if I click 
allow all continues well.  You might also try your window chooser in the event 
there’s a popup that needs addressing.

Just kicking around some ideas here this is what I’ve done in my case, your 
milage may vary.

> On Nov 25, 2016, at 3:14 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott, I just looked. In that box is checked. The application I speak of, 
> his TeamTalk. This is apparently not allowing TeamTalk to be installed what 
> should I select instead?
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>> On Nov 25, 2016, at 2:08 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> Go to security under general and almost all the way to the right there’s an 
>> area where you can set from App Store only.  If you’re trying to install as 
>> well you’ll see in many cases a one off entry where you can approve the 
>> specific application.  The key is to be under general under security.
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>>> On Nov 25, 2016, at 3:06 PM, Joseph Hudson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello, the subject line says it all. Can't figure out where to go in system 
>>> preferences to allow downloads from places SSS Safari. I worked in 
>>> security, but an unable to find what I need. Can somebody help?
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Re: Trying to install an app from Safari and can't figure out where I go in system preferences to enable the functionality.

[Joseph Hudson]

Yes, I looked into their and on it doesn't allow me to install it with this box 
checked.
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> On Nov 25, 2016, at 2:10 PM, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> It’s in the general tab of security and privacy. 
> Aleeha 
>> On Nov 25, 2016, at 2:06 PM, Joseph Hudson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, the subject line says it all. Can't figure out where to go in system 
>> preferences to allow downloads from places SSS Safari. I worked in security, 
>> but an unable to find what I need. Can somebody help?
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Re: Trying to install an app from Safari and can't figure out where I go in system preferences to enable the functionality.

[Scott Granados]

Here’s another guess to try.  Uncheck the box and install again, when it 
complains about needing permission go check the area and see if there’s a one 
off mention of the exception and the ability to allow it.

> On Nov 25, 2016, at 3:18 PM, Joseph Hudson  > wrote:
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> Yes, I looked into their and on it doesn't allow me to install it with this 
> box checked.
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>> On Nov 25, 2016, at 2:10 PM, Aleeha Dudley > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, 
>> It’s in the general tab of security and privacy. 
>> Aleeha 
>>> On Nov 25, 2016, at 2:06 PM, Joseph Hudson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello, the subject line says it all. Can't figure out where to go in system 
>>> preferences to allow downloads from places SSS Safari. I worked in 
>>> security, but an unable to find what I need. Can somebody help?
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>>> 
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Re: Trying to install an app from Safari and can't figure out where I go in system preferences to enable the functionality.

[Joseph Hudson]

Hi Scott, I'm not seeing any of that. The only things unseen, or a login 
password has been set for this user, I have a change password button. And then 
I have a require password after system his went to sleep. Check box. Dan 
there's a pop-up menu did it dressed the same thing. Then there's a set lot 
message check by six, notification and the list just goes on and on what can be 
in that area. But there's nothing about Apps that need permission. To be 
accessed.
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> On Nov 25, 2016, at 2:17 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> So when I do this under Sierra and go to general and there’s an app to be 
> installed I’ll see the app name and then an allow or deny option, if I click 
> allow all continues well.  You might also try your window chooser in the 
> event there’s a popup that needs addressing.
> 
> Just kicking around some ideas here this is what I’ve done in my case, your 
> milage may vary.
> 
>> On Nov 25, 2016, at 3:14 PM, Joseph Hudson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott, I just looked. In that box is checked. The application I speak of, 
>> his TeamTalk. This is apparently not allowing TeamTalk to be installed what 
>> should I select instead?
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>>> On Nov 25, 2016, at 2:08 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Go to security under general and almost all the way to the right there’s an 
>>> area where you can set from App Store only.  If you’re trying to install as 
>>> well you’ll see in many cases a one off entry where you can approve the 
>>> specific application.  The key is to be under general under security.
>>> 
>>> Hope that helps.
>>> 
 On Nov 25, 2016, at 3:06 PM, Joseph Hudson >>> > wrote:
 
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Re: Good sound bar that will work well with an Apple TV and voiceover

[Mary Otten]

Hi Scott,
There is no menu, and apparently no way of adjusting any sort of sleep mode, if 
it exists. There is an anything except volume and some 3-D thing and a 
Bluetooth pairing button, and the on off button. No way to get a menu.
Mary


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> On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:16 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Mary, I’ve got the solution for you.
> 
> I use a Sony sound bar which I absolutely love.  It’s the higher end Sony 
> sound bar that Best Buy sells, I’ll have my assistant read the model number 
> off if you want although I think it’s a pretty standard model.  The key is, 
> it has an optical in.  How I have it wired is as follows.
> 
> The HDMI from the different devices (set top box for FIOS, Apple TV, Fire TV, 
> Xbox 1) go direct from the device to the TV.  Then, I take the optical out 
> from the TV and patch it directly to the optical in on the sound bar.  You 
> use the TV as the HDMI switcher.  Voice over works flawlessly with no lost 
> words in this configuration.  It never dropped any with HDMI passed right 
> through either but the issue I had there was the audio would entirely stop 
> once in a while and require a restart of the sound bar.  Using the optical 
> transport has totally eliminated all sound loss issues and provides a 
> fantastic sound quality.  This sound bar also has a very nice sub which is 
> wireless and can be placed  anywhere in the room.  There’s even a mode for 
> apartment use so it tries to isolate the sound more in your space and let 
> less leak in to the adjoining units.  Can’t say enough good things about it.  
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 5:20 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I know I have brought this topic up before. Another year has gone by, and 
>> there are many sound bars on sale right now with substantial discount. But 
>> if I don't work any better than what we have now, I don't want to spend 
>> another few hundred bucks and be disappointed. The problem I have, and I 
>> know others have had it as well, is that when you have voiceover on your 
>> Apple TV and that is connected to a sound bar, you miss words from 
>> voiceover. When sound is playing, as when you have music or TV program 
>> active, there are no VoiceOver missing words. This has something to do with 
>> the HDMI, and I don't remember exactly what. But I know that when I look at 
>> the sound bars online, it doesn't really give any indication of any of the 
>> specs that I might need to know up to see if voiceover is going to work 
>> right. We just got a Roku streaming stick with accessibility. It's suffers 
>> from the same problem as voiceover. You miss lots of words. So, I would 
>> really like to get a nice quality sound bar that actually lets me use these 
>> devices. I can sort of get around it with the Apple TV by using a Bluetooth 
>> speaker. But then of course, the sound bar isn't in use. Anyway, I would 
>> really like a top quality sound bar that is going to do what I need it to do 
>> for any of these connected devices that have voice accessibility. Does 
>> anybody have any advice?
>> 
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Voice changing problem resolved

[Marcia Yale]

I finally got Alex to activate! Not sure if it was turning off VoiceOver and
then turning it on again that did the trick, but Alex is now alive and well
on my Iphone SE!

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Re: Trying to install an app from Safari and can't figure out where I go in system preferences to enable the functionality.

[Joseph Hudson]

install it now. Will report back if we still have issues.Okay, I just check the 
app store box, we'll see what this does. Going to go try to install it now. 
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> On Nov 25, 2016, at 2:23 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Here’s another guess to try.  Uncheck the box and install again, when it 
> complains about needing permission go check the area and see if there’s a one 
> off mention of the exception and the ability to allow it.
> 
>> On Nov 25, 2016, at 3:18 PM, Joseph Hudson > > wrote:
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>> Yes, I looked into their and on it doesn't allow me to install it with this 
>> box checked.
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>>> On Nov 25, 2016, at 2:10 PM, Aleeha Dudley >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, 
>>> It’s in the general tab of security and privacy. 
>>> Aleeha 
 On Nov 25, 2016, at 2:06 PM, Joseph Hudson >>> > wrote:
 
 Hello, the subject line says it all. Can't figure out where to go in 
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Re: Trying to install an app from Safari and can't figure out where I go in system preferences to enable the functionality.

[Scott Granados]

Good luck and if you don’t have success remind me if you’re using Sierra or a 
previous version.

Thanks and good luck.

> On Nov 25, 2016, at 3:32 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
> 
> install it now. Will report back if we still have issues.Okay, I just check 
> the app store box, we'll see what this does. Going to go try to   install it 
> now. will report ba
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>> On Nov 25, 2016, at 2:23 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> Here’s another guess to try.  Uncheck the box and install again, when it 
>> complains about needing permission go check the area and see if there’s a 
>> one off mention of the exception and the ability to allow it.
>> 
>>> On Nov 25, 2016, at 3:18 PM, Joseph Hudson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, I looked into their and on it doesn't allow me to install it with this 
>>> box checked.
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>>> 
 On Nov 25, 2016, at 2:10 PM, Aleeha Dudley >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi, 
 It’s in the general tab of security and privacy. 
 Aleeha 
> On Nov 25, 2016, at 2:06 PM, Joseph Hudson  > wrote:
> 
> Hello, the subject line says it all. Can't figure out where to go in 
> system preferences to allow downloads from places SSS Safari. I worked in 
> security, but an unable to find what I need. Can somebody help?
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Re: Good sound bar that will work well with an Apple TV and voiceover

[Donna Goodin]

Oh, interesting.  Thanks!
Donna 
> On Nov 25, 2016, at 10:49 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna, a sound bar is a general term for a long sometimes tube shaped or 
> square thin box with stereo speakers mounted.  Instead of having traditional 
> speakers that sit in the corners and fire in to the center of the room these 
> have the speakers fire out from a. Single box you sit under your TV for 
> example in to the room sort of inversing the sound distribution process.  
> It’s great for smaller rooms and apartments or conditions where you don’t 
> want to run wires.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 25, 2016, at 9:01 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, maybe this is a dumb question, but what is a sound bar?  I have a Sonos 
>> system, but have never heard it referred to as a sound bar.  
>> 
>> And BTW, like others, have been very happy with the sound of the Sonos, and 
>> the accessibility of the IOS app.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Nov 25, 2016, at 7:58 AM, Scott Berry  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It really doesn’t matter what sound bar you use.  I don’t have a Sonos and 
>>> the sound is I think really awesome.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 25, 2016, at 12:17 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Hi Mary,
 
 I haven't actually tried it but the Sonos system is pretty good I have the 
 sonos play 1 speakers and the IOS Sonos app works great for config and 
 useability 
 
 The SOnos Play bar would be very configurable but you would need to have a 
 tv or device that you can connect it to as I don't think it has HDMI for 
 plugging in the Apple tv, but the bar does have Optical which most tv's 
 have
 
 Might be worth while having a look into,

 
 I have my aTV connected to the tv I have and then that is connected to my 
 speakers via optical and works great, I've been thinking about the sonos 
 play bar to allow my sonos play 1's to be able to output the audio from 
 the aTV.
 Might have to have  a look at it again tomorrow.
 
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 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
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 Subject: Good sound bar that will work well with an Apple TV and voiceover
 
 I know I have brought this topic up before. Another year has gone by, and 
 there are many sound bars on sale right now with substantial discount. But 
 if I don't work any better than what we have now, I don't want to spend 
 another few hundred bucks and be disappointed. The problem I have, and I 
 know others have had it as well, is that when you have voiceover on your 
 Apple TV and that is connected to a sound bar, you miss words from 
 voiceover. When sound is playing, as when you have music or TV program 
 active, there are no VoiceOver missing words. This has something to do 
 with the HDMI, and I don't remember exactly what. But I know that when I 
 look at the sound bars online, it doesn't really give any indication of 
 any of the specs that I might need to know up to see if voiceover is going 
 to work right. We just got a Roku streaming stick with accessibility. It's 
 suffers from the same problem as voiceover. You miss lots of words. So, I 
 would really like to get a nice quality sound bar that actually lets me 
 use these devices. I can sort of get around it with the Apple TV by using 
 a Bluetooth speaker. But then of course, the sound bar isn't in use. 
 Anyway, I would really like a top quality sound bar that is going to do 
 what I need it to do for any of these connected devices that have voice 
 accessibility. Does anybody have any advice?
 
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Re: Good sound bar that will work well with an Apple TV and voiceover

[Scott Granados]

Ok, mine is much more complicated, it has 6 different surround modes, an input 
selector, arrow keys, volume and some other keys to assign.  There’s also a 
screen on the front, I need to get you that part number I’ll do that.

I’m not sure I had to set anything specifically in my setup, I just wired the 
optical out to the sound bar optical in and used the remote to adjust the base 
level.

Mine also has an HDMI pass through where you can deliver sound via the HDMI 
rather than optical but as mentioned I had issues with that consistently 
working.  I’m sure it is the sound bar though since your TV audio works just 
fine as does mine.  We also have the same brand of TV so I would assume the 
optics and electronics are very similar.  I think you’re heading in the right 
direction.  Interesting about the receiver.  I’venever had this  issue so not 
sure, my receiver worked just fine as well but again my receiver I used at the 
time was a very very high end Denon.

> On Nov 25, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott,
> There is no menu, and apparently no way of adjusting any sort of sleep mode, 
> if it exists. There is an anything except volume and some 3-D thing and a 
> Bluetooth pairing button, and the on off button. No way to get a menu.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:16 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Mary, I’ve got the solution for you.
>> 
>> I use a Sony sound bar which I absolutely love.  It’s the higher end Sony 
>> sound bar that Best Buy sells, I’ll have my assistant read the model number 
>> off if you want although I think it’s a pretty standard model.  The key is, 
>> it has an optical in.  How I have it wired is as follows.
>> 
>> The HDMI from the different devices (set top box for FIOS, Apple TV, Fire 
>> TV, Xbox 1) go direct from the device to the TV.  Then, I take the optical 
>> out from the TV and patch it directly to the optical in on the sound bar.  
>> You use the TV as the HDMI switcher.  Voice over works flawlessly with no 
>> lost words in this configuration.  It never dropped any with HDMI passed 
>> right through either but the issue I had there was the audio would entirely 
>> stop once in a while and require a restart of the sound bar.  Using the 
>> optical transport has totally eliminated all sound loss issues and provides 
>> a fantastic sound quality.  This sound bar also has a very nice sub which is 
>> wireless and can be placed  anywhere in the room.  There’s even a mode for 
>> apartment use so it tries to isolate the sound more in your space and let 
>> less leak in to the adjoining units.  Can’t say enough good things about it. 
>>  
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 5:20 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I know I have brought this topic up before. Another year has gone by, and 
>>> there are many sound bars on sale right now with substantial discount. But 
>>> if I don't work any better than what we have now, I don't want to spend 
>>> another few hundred bucks and be disappointed. The problem I have, and I 
>>> know others have had it as well, is that when you have voiceover on your 
>>> Apple TV and that is connected to a sound bar, you miss words from 
>>> voiceover. When sound is playing, as when you have music or TV program 
>>> active, there are no VoiceOver missing words. This has something to do with 
>>> the HDMI, and I don't remember exactly what. But I know that when I look at 
>>> the sound bars online, it doesn't really give any indication of any of the 
>>> specs that I might need to know up to see if voiceover is going to work 
>>> right. We just got a Roku streaming stick with accessibility. It's suffers 
>>> from the same problem as voiceover. You miss lots of words. So, I would 
>>> really like to get a nice quality sound bar that actually lets me use these 
>>> devices. I can sort of get around it with the Apple TV by using a Bluetooth 
>>> speaker. But then of course, the sound bar isn't in use. Anyway, I would 
>>> really like a top quality sound bar that is going to do what I need it to 
>>> do for any of these connected devices that have voice accessibility. Does 
>>> anybody have any advice?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Trying to install an app from Safari and can't figure out where I go in system preferences to enable the functionality.

[Joseph Hudson]

Okay Scott, I'm still getting the same message. And there's only two checkboxes 
on identified developers. The team talk client requires you to check a box that 
allows unidentified developers access. But I currently don't see this checkbox. 
Can you FaceTime me and maybe assisting me? Meaning face time audio or if you 
are in America, can you give me a call?
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> On Nov 25, 2016, at 2:33 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Good luck and if you don’t have success remind me if you’re using Sierra or a 
> previous version.
> 
> Thanks and good luck.
> 
>> On Nov 25, 2016, at 3:32 PM, Joseph Hudson > > wrote:
>> 
>> install it now. Will report back if we still have issues.Okay, I just check 
>> the app store box, we'll see what this does. Going to go try to  install it 
>> now. will report ba
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>>> On Nov 25, 2016, at 2:23 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Here’s another guess to try.  Uncheck the box and install again, when it 
>>> complains about needing permission go check the area and see if there’s a 
>>> one off mention of the exception and the ability to allow it.
>>> 
 On Nov 25, 2016, at 3:18 PM, Joseph Hudson >>> > wrote:
 
 Yes, I looked into their and on it doesn't allow me to install it with 
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> On Nov 25, 2016, at 2:10 PM, Aleeha Dudley  > wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> It’s in the general tab of security and privacy. 
> Aleeha 
>> On Nov 25, 2016, at 2:06 PM, Joseph Hudson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, the subject line says it all. Can't figure out where to go in 
>> system preferences to allow downloads from places SSS Safari. I worked 
>> in security, but an unable to find what I need. Can somebody help?
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Re: Braille screen input

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I can't do braille imput for some reason.  Never could.  So I use a braille 
display.
> On 25 Nov 2016, at 16:55, Sandra E. Finley  wrote:
> 
> Good morning. Is anyone else having difficulty with braille screen input? The 
> dots are not in the appropriate places, even when I calibrate the screen with 
> my right hand, followed by my left hand. I get dots  1 2 3 4 and 5  but not 
> 6, or 1 2 4 5 6  andd no 4. The mysterious thing is, it has not always been 
> like this. I don't understand why there has been a change or  how to fix it. 
> This happens whether I am in tabletop or away mode. Thank you.
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Re: Good sound bar that will work well with an Apple TV and voiceover

[Mary Otten]

OK, well I looked up the sound bar suspect sheet, hoping that there might be 
something in there about the amplifiers and some kind of delayed switching or 
somesuch thing. But there is no mention of anything like that at all. 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 25, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Ok, mine is much more complicated, it has 6 different surround modes, an 
> input selector, arrow keys, volume and some other keys to assign.  There’s 
> also a screen on the front, I need to get you that part number I’ll do that.
> 
> I’m not sure I had to set anything specifically in my setup, I just wired the 
> optical out to the sound bar optical in and used the remote to adjust the 
> base level.
> 
> Mine also has an HDMI pass through where you can deliver sound via the HDMI 
> rather than optical but as mentioned I had issues with that consistently 
> working.  I’m sure it is the sound bar though since your TV audio works just 
> fine as does mine.  We also have the same brand of TV so I would assume the 
> optics and electronics are very similar.  I think you’re heading in the right 
> direction.  Interesting about the receiver.  I’venever had this  issue so not 
> sure, my receiver worked just fine as well but again my receiver I used at 
> the time was a very very high end Denon.
> 
>> On Nov 25, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott,
>> There is no menu, and apparently no way of adjusting any sort of sleep mode, 
>> if it exists. There is an anything except volume and some 3-D thing and a 
>> Bluetooth pairing button, and the on off button. No way to get a menu.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:16 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mary, I’ve got the solution for you.
>>> 
>>> I use a Sony sound bar which I absolutely love.  It’s the higher end Sony 
>>> sound bar that Best Buy sells, I’ll have my assistant read the model number 
>>> off if you want although I think it’s a pretty standard model.  The key is, 
>>> it has an optical in.  How I have it wired is as follows.
>>> 
>>> The HDMI from the different devices (set top box for FIOS, Apple TV, Fire 
>>> TV, Xbox 1) go direct from the device to the TV.  Then, I take the optical 
>>> out from the TV and patch it directly to the optical in on the sound bar.  
>>> You use the TV as the HDMI switcher.  Voice over works flawlessly with no 
>>> lost words in this configuration.  It never dropped any with HDMI passed 
>>> right through either but the issue I had there was the audio would entirely 
>>> stop once in a while and require a restart of the sound bar.  Using the 
>>> optical transport has totally eliminated all sound loss issues and provides 
>>> a fantastic sound quality.  This sound bar also has a very nice sub which 
>>> is wireless and can be placed  anywhere in the room.  There’s even a mode 
>>> for apartment use so it tries to isolate the sound more in your space and 
>>> let less leak in to the adjoining units.  Can’t say enough good things 
>>> about it.  
>>> 
>>> Hope that helps.
>>> 
 On Nov 24, 2016, at 5:20 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 I know I have brought this topic up before. Another year has gone by, and 
 there are many sound bars on sale right now with substantial discount. But 
 if I don't work any better than what we have now, I don't want to spend 
 another few hundred bucks and be disappointed. The problem I have, and I 
 know others have had it as well, is that when you have voiceover on your 
 Apple TV and that is connected to a sound bar, you miss words from 
 voiceover. When sound is playing, as when you have music or TV program 
 active, there are no VoiceOver missing words. This has something to do 
 with the HDMI, and I don't remember exactly what. But I know that when I 
 look at the sound bars online, it doesn't really give any indication of 
 any of the specs that I might need to know up to see if voiceover is going 
 to work right. We just got a Roku streaming stick with accessibility. It's 
 suffers from the same problem as voiceover. You miss lots of words. So, I 
 would really like to get a nice quality sound bar that actually lets me 
 use these devices. I can sort of get around it with the Apple TV by using 
 a Bluetooth speaker. But then of course, the sound bar isn't in use. 
 Anyway, I would really like a top quality sound bar that is going to do 
 what I need it to do for any of these connected devices that have voice 
 accessibility. Does anybody have any advice?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: Good sound bar that will work well with an Apple TV and voiceover

[Larry Thacker Jr.]

I have the same issue with my AV receiver.  In my case, I know it’s because of 
the sound “sleeping” when there’s no input.  Voiceover doesn’t generate enough 
sound to keep it alive.  If there’s a setting to change this behavior there’s 
nothing in the manual to indicate it.  I doubt there’s enough interest to get 
anyone to do this, but I wonder if an app could be developed that would just 
produce a sustained carrier that would keep units like this from cutting out, 
or maybe a better approach would be to see if Apple might consider building 
something like this into Voiceover directly.  It seems enough people are 
experiencing it to make it worth pursuing.  In the meantime, the only solution 
I have found besides just doing a lot of flicking until I generate enough 
chatter to get the thing to come back, is to hook up a bluetooth speaker or 
headset and then turn it off once you have what you want going.  Another trick 
is to start music playing.  Far from optimal but it does keep VO from cutting 
out.

> On Nov 25, 2016, at 2:54 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> OK, well I looked up the sound bar suspect sheet, hoping that there might be 
> something in there about the amplifiers and some kind of delayed switching or 
> somesuch thing. But there is no mention of anything like that at all. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 25, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Ok, mine is much more complicated, it has 6 different surround modes, an 
>> input selector, arrow keys, volume and some other keys to assign.  There’s 
>> also a screen on the front, I need to get you that part number I’ll do that.
>> 
>> I’m not sure I had to set anything specifically in my setup, I just wired 
>> the optical out to the sound bar optical in and used the remote to adjust 
>> the base level.
>> 
>> Mine also has an HDMI pass through where you can deliver sound via the HDMI 
>> rather than optical but as mentioned I had issues with that consistently 
>> working.  I’m sure it is the sound bar though since your TV audio works just 
>> fine as does mine.  We also have the same brand of TV so I would assume the 
>> optics and electronics are very similar.  I think you’re heading in the 
>> right direction.  Interesting about the receiver.  I’venever had this  issue 
>> so not sure, my receiver worked just fine as well but again my receiver I 
>> used at the time was a very very high end Denon.
>> 
>>> On Nov 25, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Scott,
>>> There is no menu, and apparently no way of adjusting any sort of sleep 
>>> mode, if it exists. There is an anything except volume and some 3-D thing 
>>> and a Bluetooth pairing button, and the on off button. No way to get a menu.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:16 PM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Mary, I’ve got the solution for you.
 
 I use a Sony sound bar which I absolutely love.  It’s the higher end Sony 
 sound bar that Best Buy sells, I’ll have my assistant read the model 
 number off if you want although I think it’s a pretty standard model.  The 
 key is, it has an optical in.  How I have it wired is as follows.
 
 The HDMI from the different devices (set top box for FIOS, Apple TV, Fire 
 TV, Xbox 1) go direct from the device to the TV.  Then, I take the optical 
 out from the TV and patch it directly to the optical in on the sound bar.  
 You use the TV as the HDMI switcher.  Voice over works flawlessly with no 
 lost words in this configuration.  It never dropped any with HDMI passed 
 right through either but the issue I had there was the audio would 
 entirely stop once in a while and require a restart of the sound bar.  
 Using the optical transport has totally eliminated all sound loss issues 
 and provides a fantastic sound quality.  This sound bar also has a very 
 nice sub which is wireless and can be placed  anywhere in the room.  
 There’s even a mode for apartment use so it tries to isolate the sound 
 more in your space and let less leak in to the adjoining units.  Can’t say 
 enough good things about it.  
 
 Hope that helps.
 
> On Nov 24, 2016, at 5:20 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I know I have brought this topic up before. Another year has gone by, and 
> there are many sound bars on sale right now with substantial discount. 
> But if I don't work any better than what we have now, I don't want to 
> spend another few hundred bucks and be disappointed. The problem I have, 
> and I know others have had it as well, is that when you have voiceover on 
> your Apple TV and that is connected to a sound bar, you miss words from 
> voiceover. When sound is playing, as when you have music or TV program 
> active, there are no VoiceOver missing words. This has something to do 
> with the HDMI, and I don't remember exactly what. But I know that when 

Re: Good sound bar that will work well with an Apple TV and voiceover

[Mary Otten]

Hi Larry,
Yes, that does work for voiceover, your workaround solution that is. But for 
other things, like the fire TV, which I don't have or the Roku stick, which I 
do have, that is not going to work, since those things don't offer Bluetooth or 
headphones output oor connection. This still makes me wonder why some of the 
optical out from television to sound bar work. People with Sonos and Scott with 
his particular sunny don't have a problem. I just don't get it. There are some 
really nice sound bars out there, but the ones that look like they would be the 
best and are in my price range don't have HDMI. It seems like the full proof 
method might be HDMI ARC. But thus far, I haven't found one with HDMI it sounds 
like something I would actually want to listen to.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 25, 2016, at 1:45 PM, Larry Thacker Jr.  
> wrote:
> 
> I have the same issue with my AV receiver.  In my case, I know it’s because 
> of the sound “sleeping” when there’s no input.  Voiceover doesn’t generate 
> enough sound to keep it alive.  If there’s a setting to change this behavior 
> there’s nothing in the manual to indicate it.  I doubt there’s enough 
> interest to get anyone to do this, but I wonder if an app could be developed 
> that would just produce a sustained carrier that would keep units like this 
> from cutting out, or maybe a better approach would be to see if Apple might 
> consider building something like this into Voiceover directly.  It seems 
> enough people are experiencing it to make it worth pursuing.  In the 
> meantime, the only solution I have found besides just doing a lot of flicking 
> until I generate enough chatter to get the thing to come back, is to hook up 
> a bluetooth speaker or headset and then turn it off once you have what you 
> want going.  Another trick is to start music playing.  Far from optimal but 
> it does keep VO from cutting out.
> 
>> On Nov 25, 2016, at 2:54 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, well I looked up the sound bar suspect sheet, hoping that there might be 
>> something in there about the amplifiers and some kind of delayed switching 
>> or somesuch thing. But there is no mention of anything like that at all. 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 25, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ok, mine is much more complicated, it has 6 different surround modes, an 
>>> input selector, arrow keys, volume and some other keys to assign.  There’s 
>>> also a screen on the front, I need to get you that part number I’ll do that.
>>> 
>>> I’m not sure I had to set anything specifically in my setup, I just wired 
>>> the optical out to the sound bar optical in and used the remote to adjust 
>>> the base level.
>>> 
>>> Mine also has an HDMI pass through where you can deliver sound via the HDMI 
>>> rather than optical but as mentioned I had issues with that consistently 
>>> working.  I’m sure it is the sound bar though since your TV audio works 
>>> just fine as does mine.  We also have the same brand of TV so I would 
>>> assume the optics and electronics are very similar.  I think you’re heading 
>>> in the right direction.  Interesting about the receiver.  I’venever had 
>>> this  issue so not sure, my receiver worked just fine as well but again my 
>>> receiver I used at the time was a very very high end Denon.
>>> 
 On Nov 25, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 Hi Scott,
 There is no menu, and apparently no way of adjusting any sort of sleep 
 mode, if it exists. There is an anything except volume and some 3-D thing 
 and a Bluetooth pairing button, and the on off button. No way to get a 
 menu.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:16 PM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> Mary, I’ve got the solution for you.
> 
> I use a Sony sound bar which I absolutely love.  It’s the higher end Sony 
> sound bar that Best Buy sells, I’ll have my assistant read the model 
> number off if you want although I think it’s a pretty standard model.  
> The key is, it has an optical in.  How I have it wired is as follows.
> 
> The HDMI from the different devices (set top box for FIOS, Apple TV, Fire 
> TV, Xbox 1) go direct from the device to the TV.  Then, I take the 
> optical out from the TV and patch it directly to the optical in on the 
> sound bar.  You use the TV as the HDMI switcher.  Voice over works 
> flawlessly with no lost words in this configuration.  It never dropped 
> any with HDMI passed right through either but the issue I had there was 
> the audio would entirely stop once in a while and require a restart of 
> the sound bar.  Using the optical transport has totally eliminated all 
> sound loss issues and provides a fantastic sound quality.  This sound bar 
> also has a very nice sub which is wireless and can be placed  anywhere in 
> the room.  There’s even a mode for apa

Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hi, Scott:

Two answers to your question about throughput on Linksys.

First, my personal experience is with the WRT1900AC, first rev. It was
easily the fastest I'd ever worked with. I say this in the past tense,
because I blew it up and it no longer boots. I'm just not good with
tasks like cracking the case open and attaching leads to particular
posts inside in order to get a serial console over USB--even though I
have the parts in house. So, I've been running on an old Archer C7, and
I miss my old Linksys. This has put me back in the market, even though
money is tight for me right now.

Second, I've found the following Cnet article quite helpful, and it
addresses this issue:
https://www.cnet.com/products/linksys-wrt3200acm-mu-mimo-gigabit-wi-fi-router/preview/

So, I'm currently considering a Black Friday deal at Amazon on the
WRT1900ACS--the penultimate model from Linksys which seems to have a
reasonably good price at Amazon just now. However, I'm personally
inclined to wait until just after Christmas as I expect the deals might
be even better in a month. As I said, my money is tight right now.

The above regards throughput. I would add that I've been a stalwart
OpenWRT fan for a decade. I love the control I get with OpenWRT. And,
accessibiliy can't be beat when it's a matter of editing ASCII text
files over ssh, though I tend to download them and edit on my Linux
desktop machine because my Arch build of vim is more featureful than
that provided by OpenWRT. Once edited, I simply rsync the result back
up.

hth

Janina

Scott Granados writes:
> Hi Janina, I thought like most Cisco products the links’s devices had poor 
> forwarding rates.  In other words, they only forward at a third to a half of 
> the line rate.  Has this changed in more recent years or does WRT also help 
> to address this with better more optimized software?
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
> 
> > On Nov 23, 2016, at 2:23 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > It's a couple years old now, but I regard the Linksys WRT1900AC as still
> > a top choice, but not for its native software because It's not all that
> > accessible. This router runs OpenWRT brilliantly, and OpenWRT is fully
> > accessible.
> > 
> > http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/linksys/wrt_ac_series
> > 
> > 
> > PS: I have no personal experience of any of Linksys' more recent
> > variants.
> > 
> > Just my preference. This is not an out of the box solution. There's some
> > assembly required, as the old saying goes.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > 
> > Kawal Gucukoglu writes:
> >> I like my Airport Extreme so if it breaks down I'm not sure what I'm going 
> >> to do.  So I too will want to know a good reliable router if this breaks 
> >> down.
> >>> On 22 Nov 2016, at 09:26, Krister Ekstrom  
> >>> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Uh oh, so what’s a good and accessible wireless router in case my old 
> >>> trusty Airport Extreme breaks down on me?
> >>> /Krister
> >>> 
>  21 nov. 2016 kl. 23:52 skrev Dan D. :
>  
>  
>  
>  http://www.macworld.com/article/3143604/hardware/rip-airport-apple-may-abandon-wireless-routers-and-time-capsule.html#tk.rss_all
>  
>  XB
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Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hi, Mary:

I used to drool over FiOS, then I got it and I was sort of happy.
However,s hortly thereafter I was forced to move, and I ended up moving
where FiO was unavailable. So, I settled for Comcast, i.e. Xfinity.

Now, I'll not go back to FiOS even if I could for one simple reason.
Xfinity gives me native IPv6 and FiOS doesn't even have an IPv6 roll out
plan yet, last I looked.

My lan is now fully IPv6, including the telephone handsets on my desk. A
team of horses couldn't pull me back into IPv4 and it's obnoxious NAT.
When I had FiOS I had IPv6, but it was tunneled via Tunnel Broker.
Native is so so much more performant, and so so much easier to use. And,
to top it off, I see nothing in my logs by way of the breakin attacks
that I got over IPv4, and still get on the one machine that needs to
support IPv4 ports still--my Linode data center hosted server.

So, I no longer give a hoot for FiOS. I have an entirely different
viewpoint now.

Just my two cents (American).

Janina

Mary Otten writes:
> I am jealous of you people with Fios.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Scott Granados  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > I’ve never been able to push more than 18 megabits through any of the WRT 
> > routers I’ve tried but honestly I jumped off their band wagon once Cisco 
> > bought them.  This is a huge issue in Cisco gear and has been for their 
> > entire life.  They are known for not providing wire speed solutions.  I 
> > would be hesitant to try one on my 500 megabit service but even an airport 
> > doesn’t quite saturate that link.  I use the provided ActionTech router 
> > that FIOS offers and then use the airports as access points only.  I’ve 
> > never gotten a Linksys though to even break the 20 megabit mark reliably 
> > and that’s on the wired connection let alone the WiFi which slows even 
> > further.  I’m hoping though this may have changed because in principle I 
> > like their gear because you can flash different firmware on them.  DDWRT 
> > and Tomato are very feature packed.
> > 
> >> On Nov 24, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Erik Burggraaf  
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hi Scott,
> >> 
> >> I have used  four or five models of WRT family for about 10 years, 
> >> recommended them nearly  wholesale to customers, and never experienced any 
> >> issue where trafic on forwarded ports would be comparatively slower than 
> >> trafic taking place on a direct connection with no router at all.  This 
> >> may be partly due to the fact that 5 to 15 mbps for residential internet  
> >> is still the gold standard of price vs performance in Canada.  If we were 
> >> in any way competative in this area, perhapse the difference would be more 
> >> measurable, but I doubt that it would come down to 1/3 of total capacity.
> >> 
> >> Best,
> >> 
> >> Erik
> >> 
> >> Sent with AquaMail for Android
> >> http://www.aqua-mail.com
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On November 23, 2016 7:41:43 PM Scott Granados  
> >>> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Hi Janina, I thought like most Cisco products the links’s devices had 
> >>> poor forwarding rates.  In other words, they only forward at a third to a 
> >>> half of the line rate.  Has this changed in more recent years or does WRT 
> >>> also help to address this with better more optimized software?
> >>> 
> >>> Thanks
> >>> Scott
> >>> 
>  On Nov 23, 2016, at 2:23 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>   wrote:
>  
>  It's a couple years old now, but I regard the Linksys WRT1900AC as still
>  a top choice, but not for its native software because It's not all that
>  accessible. This router runs OpenWRT brilliantly, and OpenWRT is fully
>  accessible.
>  
>  http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/linksys/wrt_ac_series
>  
>  
>  PS: I have no personal experience of any of Linksys' more recent
>  variants.
>  
>  Just my preference. This is not an out of the box solution. There's some
>  assembly required, as the old saying goes.
>  
>  Janina
>  
>  
>  Kawal Gucukoglu writes:
> > I like my Airport Extreme so if it breaks down I'm not sure what I'm 
> > going to do.  So I too will want to know a good reliable router if this 
> > breaks down.
> >> On 22 Nov 2016, at 09:26, Krister Ekstrom  
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Uh oh, so what’s a good and accessible wireless router in case my old 
> >> trusty Airport Extreme breaks down on me?
> >> /Krister
> >> 
> >>> 21 nov. 2016 kl. 23:52 skrev Dan D. :
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> http://www.macworld.com/article/3143604/hardware/rip-airport-apple-may-abandon-wireless-routers-and-time-capsule.html#tk.rss_all
> >>> 
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Re: How is everyone finding sierra?

[Daniel C]

Yes, a clean install of Sierra was done.

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Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

I should have read the rest of this thread before posting the below. Oh,
I still feel this way, but all ya'all are also talking about wired cable
telivision, and I didn't pay for that when I hadmy FiOS. I went straight
from my ONT to my in home Linux server over cat6 cabling.

Verizon tried to collect $99 fom me for a router--something I never got,
because there was no need for it. There record keeping assumed the extra
piece of hardware. It's a continuing unresolved issue rolling around in
my fico scoring, but they're not getting the moola. I can outwait them!

I have Xfinity cable, and I'm reasonably pleased with the talking
interface. Main complaint is that it's laggy, and has a tendency to
crash. But, I'm just not much of a TV person. If my Xfinity weren't
automatically included in my condo fee, I wouldn't be having it at all.
But, that's just me. I can't get into a heads up comparison, though I'm
aware some of what Scott talks about is also supported by Comcast's dvr
product, I have no notion about hd picture quality, and not even the
sound quality available. It's just not something I pay attention to. I
think I had my TV on last Tuesday for awhile--but that's about par for
me.


As for symetric speeds, yes that's the way things should be. That did
bother me when I moved, but it just hasn't been an issue. I find my
uploads, sometimes pretty large files, go through reasonably well. In
fact, there's throughput elasticity built into the Comcast service I
have. Truly, it hasn't been an issue.

Janina


'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries writes:
> Hi, Mary:
> 
> I used to drool over FiOS, then I got it and I was sort of happy.
> However,s hortly thereafter I was forced to move, and I ended up moving
> where FiO was unavailable. So, I settled for Comcast, i.e. Xfinity.
> 
> Now, I'll not go back to FiOS even if I could for one simple reason.
> Xfinity gives me native IPv6 and FiOS doesn't even have an IPv6 roll out
> plan yet, last I looked.
> 
> My lan is now fully IPv6, including the telephone handsets on my desk. A
> team of horses couldn't pull me back into IPv4 and it's obnoxious NAT.
> When I had FiOS I had IPv6, but it was tunneled via Tunnel Broker.
> Native is so so much more performant, and so so much easier to use. And,
> to top it off, I see nothing in my logs by way of the breakin attacks
> that I got over IPv4, and still get on the one machine that needs to
> support IPv4 ports still--my Linode data center hosted server.
> 
> So, I no longer give a hoot for FiOS. I have an entirely different
> viewpoint now.
> 
> Just my two cents (American).
> 
> Janina
> 
> Mary Otten writes:
> > I am jealous of you people with Fios.
> > Mary
> > 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > > On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Scott Granados  
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > I’ve never been able to push more than 18 megabits through any of the WRT 
> > > routers I’ve tried but honestly I jumped off their band wagon once Cisco 
> > > bought them.  This is a huge issue in Cisco gear and has been for their 
> > > entire life.  They are known for not providing wire speed solutions.  I 
> > > would be hesitant to try one on my 500 megabit service but even an 
> > > airport doesn’t quite saturate that link.  I use the provided ActionTech 
> > > router that FIOS offers and then use the airports as access points only.  
> > > I’ve never gotten a Linksys though to even break the 20 megabit mark 
> > > reliably and that’s on the wired connection let alone the WiFi which 
> > > slows even further.  I’m hoping though this may have changed because in 
> > > principle I like their gear because you can flash different firmware on 
> > > them.  DDWRT and Tomato are very feature packed.
> > > 
> > >> On Nov 24, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Erik Burggraaf  
> > >> wrote:
> > >> 
> > >> Hi Scott,
> > >> 
> > >> I have used  four or five models of WRT family for about 10 years, 
> > >> recommended them nearly  wholesale to customers, and never experienced 
> > >> any issue where trafic on forwarded ports would be comparatively slower 
> > >> than trafic taking place on a direct connection with no router at all.  
> > >> This may be partly due to the fact that 5 to 15 mbps for residential 
> > >> internet  is still the gold standard of price vs performance in Canada.  
> > >> If we were in any way competative in this area, perhapse the difference 
> > >> would be more measurable, but I doubt that it would come down to 1/3 of 
> > >> total capacity.
> > >> 
> > >> Best,
> > >> 
> > >> Erik
> > >> 
> > >> Sent with AquaMail for Android
> > >> http://www.aqua-mail.com
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >>> On November 23, 2016 7:41:43 PM Scott Granados 
> > >>>  wrote:
> > >>> 
> > >>> Hi Janina, I thought like most Cisco products the links’s devices had 
> > >>> poor forwarding rates.  In other words, they only forward at a third to 
> > >>> a half of the line rate.  Has this changed in more recent years or does 
> > >>> WRT also help to address this with better more optimiz

Re: Braille screen input

[David Chittenden]

Hello,

I continue using braille screen input, on a daily basis, without any 
difficulties. I use it for all of my office work. Perhaps you are not 
performing the dot alignment command with the proper timing between the right 
and the left hands. 


Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone

> On 26/11/2016, at 02:55, Sandra E. Finley  wrote:
> 
> Good morning. Is anyone else having difficulty with braille screen input? The 
> dots are not in the appropriate places, even when I calibrate the screen with 
> my right hand, followed by my left hand. I get dots  1 2 3 4 and 5  but not 
> 6, or 1 2 4 5 6  andd no 4. The mysterious thing is, it has not always been 
> like this. I don't understand why there has been a change or  how to fix it. 
> This happens whether I am in tabletop or away mode. Thank you.
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A Question About Spam Calendar Event Invitations

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

Just so you know, I am cross-posting this email.

Earlier today, I received a calendar sales event invitation from an unknown
sender.  Upon opening the invitation from within my iOS Calendar app, it was
clear that this was a spammer as I could see the list of invitees all of
which were just variations on a theme, for example b...@icloud.com,
b...@icloud.com, etc.

The event invitation was promoting a weekend sale for sunglasses and the
like.  As a result, the event appeared across three different days,
corresponding to the length of the event/sale; extremely annoying, to say
the least.

The only buttons I could find upon which to act was either Accept button,
the maybe button, and the decline button.

I did not want to activate any of these buttons as doing so would send a
response to the sender, confirming the existence of my account.  

Try as I may, I could not discover anyway to simply delete the event
invitation, itself, or the corresponding events from my Calendar, in iOS.  

Just so you know, When I activated the button that linked to the sender,
whose account/email address consisted of Chinese characters, all I could do
was to either add the sender to my Contacts List, share my location, etc.
There was no option to block the sender nor anyway to report the event
invitation as spam.

Believe it or not, the most annoying thing, however, was not that the event
was added to my Calendar, for the duration of the event, it was that it
showed as an event to which I needed to reply.  This means that the number 1
was constantly displayed on the Calendar's badge-app, icon.  

I called Apple Care but, after waiting on hold for what seemed like an
interminable length of time, I decided to go it alone.  

At first, I thought about firing up my Mac and seeing if I could discover a
way to delete the event from there.  However, to be honest, my luck with the
Mac OS Calendar application, has never been spectacular.  Add to that, the
fact that I was extremely angry at Apple for not providing some way to
delete an event invitation without having to select an option that would
alert the sender that any action on my part, had taken place.

My solution?  

I simply fired up a Windows 7 PC that has the iCloud Control Panel for
Windows installed, launched Microsoft Outlook 2007, located the offending
invitation, and hit the delete key on the keyboard.  Not including booting
up the PC and launching Outlook, the deletion process took less than 10
seconds.  

When next I looked at my iOS Calendar, the invitation, along with its
corresponding footprint, had been deleted, as expected.

Question:  Have any of you encountered spam Calendar event invitations?  If
so, how did you handle it?  Were you able to delete the invitation without
activating the Accept, Maybe, or Decline buttons?   

The only thing I wish I had attempted, before resorting to my beloved
Windows PC, was to have explored the iCloud.com website to see if, perhaps
there may have been a delete button somewhere that would have accomplished
my goal.

I look forward to your replies,

Mark

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Recording phone calls on the Iphone.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Someone on another list told me that apple has made it impossible to record 
phone calls on the iphone directly from an app.
Even though i see a lot of apps in the appstore that is for recording such 
calls.
So what i am wondering is if its not possible to record phone calls from an app 
on the iphone or if i have to use the headphone jack to do this?
I also want to be able to do facetime recording as well.
If not then i guess i have to do things on the mac.
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Re: How is everyone finding sierra?

[Maria Chapman]

HI.

thanks for the feedback.  Anyone else finding VO sluggish? Does the amount of 
ram make a difference?

thanks
Maria

> On 26 Nov 2016, at 6:57 AM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> the most annoying in my opinion is the sluggishnes of VO. For example: If I 
> press CMD + w to close a document in Textedit without saving it I always 
> press VO + FN + right arrow to jump quickly to end and then twice VO + left 
> arrow to find „don’t save“. I press these key combinations quickly but VO 
> reads all buttons it passed one after the other and reads them out loud 
> before it actually reads the button I’m sitting on for ages. 
> Another annoying thing is VO doesn’t always give voice feedback if I navigate 
> through files and folders in Finder, if column view is set and I just use 
> arrow key up or down to move around. I’m forced to use VO + arrow keys to 
> move around if I want to hear all the folder and file names VO passes. Not a 
> real big thing but like that it’s not really nice to use first letter 
> navigation.
> I like Sierra but from OS to OS VO seems to me to become less responsive and 
> more sluggish in reading content. Hopefully Apple is going to recognize this 
> and then fix it. 
> All the best
> Jürgen
> 
>> Am 25.11.2016 um 17:33 schrieb E.T. :
>> 
>>  What does not need work? (smiles) I have a mid 2012 MBP. VO does not crash 
>> in Sierra, its just a bit too verbose or not enough but overall, better than 
>> El Capitan.
>> 
>>  Did you do a clean install?
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> Without H2O there is no life!
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 11/25/2016 8:23 AM, Daniel C wrote:
>>> Siera, In my opinion, can still use work.
>>> While it runs fine on my MacBook Pro late 2011, I noticed that VO does tend 
>>> to crash on the login screen, and sometimes it  reloads it's self, and 
>>> sometimes it does not.
>>> 
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Re: How is everyone finding sierra?

[Maria Chapman]

HI.

I sometimes have the issue you described with stopping interaction, but not 
with VO repeating what’s focused 3 times.

Thanks
Maria

> On 26 Nov 2016, at 3:07 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   One that comes to mind is VO, after closing an app such as Finder, it goes 
> to the desktop and whatever item is focused, VO will repeat it 3 times.
> 
>   Another one is when I stop interacting, VO does not always say anything as 
> if I did not stop interacting.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Without H2O there is no life!
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 11/24/2016 11:09 PM, Maria Chapman wrote:
>> HI.
>> 
>> what are the minor annoyances?
>> 
>> thanks
>> Maria
>> 
>>> On 25 Nov 2016, at 1:16 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Maria,
>>>  Generally I wait until at least the .2 update but this time I did not even 
>>> wait for the .1 update and I have no regrets at all.
>>> 
>>>  I put in an SSD this week and its even better. But there are some minor 
>>> annoyances which is standard in my opinion. I would imagine  the .2 update 
>>> will be released soon so you could wait for that and do one upgrade.
>>> 
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>>> On 11/24/2016 5:47 PM, Maria Chapman wrote:
 HI.
 
 subject line says it all.  Any problems? Advantages to updating?
 
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Re: How is everyone finding sierra?

[E.T.]

   I did not see this at all in El Capitan.

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On 11/25/2016 9:47 PM, Maria Chapman wrote:

HI.

I sometimes have the issue you described with stopping interaction, but not 
with VO repeating what’s focused 3 times.

Thanks
Maria


On 26 Nov 2016, at 3:07 AM, E.T.  wrote:

  One that comes to mind is VO, after closing an app such as Finder, it goes to 
the desktop and whatever item is focused, VO will repeat it 3 times.

  Another one is when I stop interacting, VO does not always say anything as if 
I did not stop interacting.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Without H2O there is no life!
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 11/24/2016 11:09 PM, Maria Chapman wrote:

HI.

what are the minor annoyances?

thanks
Maria


On 25 Nov 2016, at 1:16 PM, E.T.  wrote:

Maria,
 Generally I wait until at least the .2 update but this time I did not even 
wait for the .1 update and I have no regrets at all.

 I put in an SSD this week and its even better. But there are some minor 
annoyances which is standard in my opinion. I would imagine  the .2 update will 
be released soon so you could wait for that and do one upgrade.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
Without H2O there is no life!
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 11/24/2016 5:47 PM, Maria Chapman wrote:

HI.

subject line says it all.  Any problems? Advantages to updating?

Maria



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Re: A Possible DAISY Player for Mac

[Maria Chapman]

HI..

Safari didn’t crash for me.  I have the file.  I could upload it to drop box or 
something if people are having trouble getting it.  Off to try figure out if I 
can find english in the preferences once I install it.

lol
Maria


S
> On 25 Nov 2016, at 5:49 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> This is a great post.  However, I've just tried this link and it keeps 
> crashing Safari.
> 
> Andrew
>> On 24 Nov 2016, at 17:10, Jonathan Mosen > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone, in a recent blog post, I lamented the lack of a DAISY player 
>> for Mac.
>> This has resulted in me being contacted by someone fluent in both English 
>> and German who tells me that there is in fact a DAISY player available. The 
>> free version allows for playback, and a paid version also provides for DAISY 
>> production. The default language for the product is German, and from what I 
>> can gather, the entire website is German as well.
>> When you install the player, the local system language isn't detected, but 
>> I'm told that if you can find it in Preferences, English is available. So 
>> maybe there's further potential here for making this all much easier than it 
>> currently is. I don't know if the developer is fluent in English, but 
>> presumably they have someone who is since localisation has been done.
>> The app is available for multiple platforms at:
>> http://www.legantoo.de/index.php?menuid=33 
>> 
>> and although I'm not a German speaker, I was able to work out  which link is 
>> for the Mac version. Something for the ambitious among you to play with.
>> Also since I will soon no longer be using a Mac and will be unsubscribing, 
>> this is probably my last post here. So I'd like to extend a sincere thanks 
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Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

[Scott Granados]

FYI FIOS is rolling out V6 now.  It’s not in my area yet but it is under way.  
There’s also talk of which routers you need to support it, luckily mine is one 
of the models that does.  

Like you I used a tunnel breaker before, in my case I worked with Hurricane 
electric but there are many options.  Hurricane electric was nice because they 
had many pops to choose from so I could find the one closest to me to use.  
You’re right though, nothing beats native V6.  To me though, the Comcast 
performance problems just weren’t worth V6 native access.  But just to clarify 
there is a roll out under way.  Also, the VZW network should also be V6 ready, 
we were using V6 back in 2013 so I assume it’s made it to the consumer by now.  
T-Mobile doesn’t seem to have it in place yet but it seems in the cards looking 
at the settings they have available in their hotspots.

> On Nov 25, 2016, at 7:07 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Mary:
> 
> I used to drool over FiOS, then I got it and I was sort of happy.
> However,s hortly thereafter I was forced to move, and I ended up moving
> where FiO was unavailable. So, I settled for Comcast, i.e. Xfinity.
> 
> Now, I'll not go back to FiOS even if I could for one simple reason.
> Xfinity gives me native IPv6 and FiOS doesn't even have an IPv6 roll out
> plan yet, last I looked.
> 
> My lan is now fully IPv6, including the telephone handsets on my desk. A
> team of horses couldn't pull me back into IPv4 and it's obnoxious NAT.
> When I had FiOS I had IPv6, but it was tunneled via Tunnel Broker.
> Native is so so much more performant, and so so much easier to use. And,
> to top it off, I see nothing in my logs by way of the breakin attacks
> that I got over IPv4, and still get on the one machine that needs to
> support IPv4 ports still--my Linode data center hosted server.
> 
> So, I no longer give a hoot for FiOS. I have an entirely different
> viewpoint now.
> 
> Just my two cents (American).
> 
> Janina
> 
> Mary Otten writes:
>> I am jealous of you people with Fios.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve never been able to push more than 18 megabits through any of the WRT 
>>> routers I’ve tried but honestly I jumped off their band wagon once Cisco 
>>> bought them.  This is a huge issue in Cisco gear and has been for their 
>>> entire life.  They are known for not providing wire speed solutions.  I 
>>> would be hesitant to try one on my 500 megabit service but even an airport 
>>> doesn’t quite saturate that link.  I use the provided ActionTech router 
>>> that FIOS offers and then use the airports as access points only.  I’ve 
>>> never gotten a Linksys though to even break the 20 megabit mark reliably 
>>> and that’s on the wired connection let alone the WiFi which slows even 
>>> further.  I’m hoping though this may have changed because in principle I 
>>> like their gear because you can flash different firmware on them.  DDWRT 
>>> and Tomato are very feature packed.
>>> 
 On Nov 24, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Erik Burggraaf  
 wrote:
 
 Hi Scott,
 
 I have used  four or five models of WRT family for about 10 years, 
 recommended them nearly  wholesale to customers, and never experienced any 
 issue where trafic on forwarded ports would be comparatively slower than 
 trafic taking place on a direct connection with no router at all.  This 
 may be partly due to the fact that 5 to 15 mbps for residential internet  
 is still the gold standard of price vs performance in Canada.  If we were 
 in any way competative in this area, perhapse the difference would be more 
 measurable, but I doubt that it would come down to 1/3 of total capacity.
 
 Best,
 
 Erik
 
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> On November 23, 2016 7:41:43 PM Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Janina, I thought like most Cisco products the links’s devices had 
> poor forwarding rates.  In other words, they only forward at a third to a 
> half of the line rate.  Has this changed in more recent years or does WRT 
> also help to address this with better more optimized software?
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
> 
>> On Nov 23, 2016, at 2:23 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> It's a couple years old now, but I regard the Linksys WRT1900AC as still
>> a top choice, but not for its native software because It's not all that
>> accessible. This router runs OpenWRT brilliantly, and OpenWRT is fully
>> accessible.
>> 
>> http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/linksys/wrt_ac_series
>> 
>> 
>> PS: I have no personal experience of any of Linksys' more recent
>> variants.
>> 
>> Just my preference. This is not an out of the box solution. There's some
>> assembly required, as the old saying goes.
>> 

Re: How is everyone finding sierra?

[Maria Chapman]

It doesn’t happen all the time, but sometimes.

Maria

> On 26 Nov 2016, at 4:53 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   I did not see this at all in El Capitan.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 11/25/2016 9:47 PM, Maria Chapman wrote:
>> HI.
>> 
>> I sometimes have the issue you described with stopping interaction, but not 
>> with VO repeating what’s focused 3 times.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Maria
>> 
>>> On 26 Nov 2016, at 3:07 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  One that comes to mind is VO, after closing an app such as Finder, it goes 
>>> to the desktop and whatever item is focused, VO will repeat it 3 times.
>>> 
>>>  Another one is when I stop interacting, VO does not always say anything as 
>>> if I did not stop interacting.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> Without H2O there is no life!
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 11/24/2016 11:09 PM, Maria Chapman wrote:
 HI.
 
 what are the minor annoyances?
 
 thanks
 Maria
 
> On 25 Nov 2016, at 1:16 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Maria,
> Generally I wait until at least the .2 update but this time I did not 
> even wait for the .1 update and I have no regrets at all.
> 
> I put in an SSD this week and its even better. But there are some minor 
> annoyances which is standard in my opinion. I would imagine  the .2 
> update will be released soon so you could wait for that and do one 
> upgrade.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> Without H2O there is no life!
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 11/24/2016 5:47 PM, Maria Chapman wrote:
>> HI.
>> 
>> subject line says it all.  Any problems? Advantages to updating?
>> 
>> Maria
>> 
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Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

[Scott Granados]

You know what bugged me worse than the network performance, the lower quality 
television and the instability in my area of Comcast was the customer service.  
By far the absolute worst I have run in to.  Made me wish for the days of AT&T, 
that should tell you something.  I have the reverse issue you did with FIOS.  I 
have something like a $700 credit with Comcast because they first charged me 
$1500 for boxes I didn’t return and when I was able to demonstrate I had 
returned the boxes I went to a crazy positive state.  (Good luck getting that 
out of them though). Each call to customer service took 45 minutes of hold time 
only to get a different answer every time and never once did I get a rep who 
cared.  I realize though each person may have a different result in this area 
but I have heard nothing good about the customer service.  I suppose if you 
live in an area where it just works, the head ends aren’t over sold and the 
plant is newer you may have a wildly different experience.

> On Nov 25, 2016, at 7:19 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I should have read the rest of this thread before posting the below. Oh,
> I still feel this way, but all ya'all are also talking about wired cable
> telivision, and I didn't pay for that when I hadmy FiOS. I went straight
> from my ONT to my in home Linux server over cat6 cabling.
> 
> Verizon tried to collect $99 fom me for a router--something I never got,
> because there was no need for it. There record keeping assumed the extra
> piece of hardware. It's a continuing unresolved issue rolling around in
> my fico scoring, but they're not getting the moola. I can outwait them!
> 
> I have Xfinity cable, and I'm reasonably pleased with the talking
> interface. Main complaint is that it's laggy, and has a tendency to
> crash. But, I'm just not much of a TV person. If my Xfinity weren't
> automatically included in my condo fee, I wouldn't be having it at all.
> But, that's just me. I can't get into a heads up comparison, though I'm
> aware some of what Scott talks about is also supported by Comcast's dvr
> product, I have no notion about hd picture quality, and not even the
> sound quality available. It's just not something I pay attention to. I
> think I had my TV on last Tuesday for awhile--but that's about par for
> me.
> 
> 
> As for symetric speeds, yes that's the way things should be. That did
> bother me when I moved, but it just hasn't been an issue. I find my
> uploads, sometimes pretty large files, go through reasonably well. In
> fact, there's throughput elasticity built into the Comcast service I
> have. Truly, it hasn't been an issue.
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
> 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries writes:
>> Hi, Mary:
>> 
>> I used to drool over FiOS, then I got it and I was sort of happy.
>> However,s hortly thereafter I was forced to move, and I ended up moving
>> where FiO was unavailable. So, I settled for Comcast, i.e. Xfinity.
>> 
>> Now, I'll not go back to FiOS even if I could for one simple reason.
>> Xfinity gives me native IPv6 and FiOS doesn't even have an IPv6 roll out
>> plan yet, last I looked.
>> 
>> My lan is now fully IPv6, including the telephone handsets on my desk. A
>> team of horses couldn't pull me back into IPv4 and it's obnoxious NAT.
>> When I had FiOS I had IPv6, but it was tunneled via Tunnel Broker.
>> Native is so so much more performant, and so so much easier to use. And,
>> to top it off, I see nothing in my logs by way of the breakin attacks
>> that I got over IPv4, and still get on the one machine that needs to
>> support IPv4 ports still--my Linode data center hosted server.
>> 
>> So, I no longer give a hoot for FiOS. I have an entirely different
>> viewpoint now.
>> 
>> Just my two cents (American).
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> Mary Otten writes:
>>> I am jealous of you people with Fios.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 I’ve never been able to push more than 18 megabits through any of the WRT 
 routers I’ve tried but honestly I jumped off their band wagon once Cisco 
 bought them.  This is a huge issue in Cisco gear and has been for their 
 entire life.  They are known for not providing wire speed solutions.  I 
 would be hesitant to try one on my 500 megabit service but even an airport 
 doesn’t quite saturate that link.  I use the provided ActionTech router 
 that FIOS offers and then use the airports as access points only.  I’ve 
 never gotten a Linksys though to even break the 20 megabit mark reliably 
 and that’s on the wired connection let alone the WiFi which slows even 
 further.  I’m hoping though this may have changed because in principle I 
 like their gear because you can flash different firmware on them.  DDWRT 
 and Tomato are very feature packed.
 
> On Nov 24, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Erik Burggraaf  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> I have used  fo

Re: How is everyone finding sierra?

[Scott Granados]

I haven’t gotten the voice over lag myself.  I find it very interesting in this 
thread how different all of our voice over experiences are.  Some are much more 
stable than others and it seems the experience is different from the same 
machine classes.  I do notice the clean installs do the best but as mentioned 
some have tried this and still have issues.  I wonder what the cause is of the 
inconsistency?

> On Nov 26, 2016, at 1:06 AM, Maria Chapman  wrote:
> 
> It doesn’t happen all the time, but sometimes.
> 
> Maria
> 
>> On 26 Nov 2016, at 4:53 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  I did not see this at all in El Capitan.
>> 
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>> On 11/25/2016 9:47 PM, Maria Chapman wrote:
>>> HI.
>>> 
>>> I sometimes have the issue you described with stopping interaction, but not 
>>> with VO repeating what’s focused 3 times.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Maria
>>> 
 On 26 Nov 2016, at 3:07 AM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 One that comes to mind is VO, after closing an app such as Finder, it goes 
 to the desktop and whatever item is focused, VO will repeat it 3 times.
 
 Another one is when I stop interacting, VO does not always say anything as 
 if I did not stop interacting.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Without H2O there is no life!
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 11/24/2016 11:09 PM, Maria Chapman wrote:
> HI.
> 
> what are the minor annoyances?
> 
> thanks
> Maria
> 
>> On 25 Nov 2016, at 1:16 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> Maria,
>> Generally I wait until at least the .2 update but this time I did not 
>> even wait for the .1 update and I have no regrets at all.
>> 
>> I put in an SSD this week and its even better. But there are some minor 
>> annoyances which is standard in my opinion. I would imagine  the .2 
>> update will be released soon so you could wait for that and do one 
>> upgrade.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> Without H2O there is no life!
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 11/24/2016 5:47 PM, Maria Chapman wrote:
>>> HI.
>>> 
>>> subject line says it all.  Any problems? Advantages to updating?
>>> 
>>> Maria
>>> 
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Re: How is everyone finding sierra?

[Terje Strømberg]

 It may be different apps that are causing different Voice Over difficulties. 
Running in background services etc.

Take care


> 26. nov. 2016 kl. 07.09 skrev Scott Granados :
> 
> I haven’t gotten the voice over lag myself.  I find it very interesting in 
> this thread how different all of our voice over experiences are.  Some are 
> much more stable than others and it seems the experience is different from 
> the same machine classes.  I do notice the clean installs do the best but as 
> mentioned some have tried this and still have issues.  I wonder what the 
> cause is of the inconsistency?
> 
>> On Nov 26, 2016, at 1:06 AM, Maria Chapman  wrote:
>> 
>> It doesn’t happen all the time, but sometimes.
>> 
>> Maria
>> 
>>> On 26 Nov 2016, at 4:53 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I did not see this at all in El Capitan.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> Without H2O there is no life!
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 11/25/2016 9:47 PM, Maria Chapman wrote:
 HI.
 
 I sometimes have the issue you described with stopping interaction, but 
 not with VO repeating what’s focused 3 times.
 
 Thanks
 Maria
 
> On 26 Nov 2016, at 3:07 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> One that comes to mind is VO, after closing an app such as Finder, it 
> goes to the desktop and whatever item is focused, VO will repeat it 3 
> times.
> 
> Another one is when I stop interacting, VO does not always say anything 
> as if I did not stop interacting.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> Without H2O there is no life!
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 11/24/2016 11:09 PM, Maria Chapman wrote:
>> HI.
>> 
>> what are the minor annoyances?
>> 
>> thanks
>> Maria
>> 
>>> On 25 Nov 2016, at 1:16 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Maria,
>>> Generally I wait until at least the .2 update but this time I did not 
>>> even wait for the .1 update and I have no regrets at all.
>>> 
>>> I put in an SSD this week and its even better. But there are some minor 
>>> annoyances which is standard in my opinion. I would imagine  the .2 
>>> update will be released soon so you could wait for that and do one 
>>> upgrade.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> Without H2O there is no life!
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 11/24/2016 5:47 PM, Maria Chapman wrote:
 HI.
 
 subject line says it all.  Any problems? Advantages to updating?
 
 Maria
 
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