RE: Steve Jobs Keynote WWDC 2007 - YouTube

[Simon Fogarty]

I hadn’t seen this one, but it’s a great laugh at least the start of it’s quite 
funny

Thanks for sending it through.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Barry Hadder
Sent: Saturday, 18 June 2016 5:32 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Steve Jobs Keynote WWDC 2007 - YouTube

I thought there might be some around hear that might appreciate this little 
blast from the past.  This is about the time I started using a Mac.
Times have changed.
Enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Shu6_lO1PW8




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RE: Update: Success in Deleting a Primary Disk Partition and Success in Creating a El Capitan Install Key

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mark,

Thanks for that.

 I need to get my head around the new disk utility  interface,

 I still keep a Yosemite installer and installed systems on a USB that allows 
me to use the older style of disk utility.

I guess it wont be coming back with the Mac OS Siera 


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Sent: Saturday, 18 June 2016 6:56 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Update: Success in Deleting a Primary Disk Partition and Success in 
Creating a El Capitan Install Key

Hello All,

Well, I am happy to report that, after a lot of fiddling around, as I did not 
find any articles via Google that directly addressed my USB key partition 
deletion problem, I was able to delete the partition, create a new El Capitan 
USB install key which, I'm happy to say, runs without any problems.

To me, the Yosemite disk utility was more intuitive.  In El Capitan, it would 
seem that the Erase tab does all of the proverbial heavy lifting when it comes 
to reformatting and deleting the primary disk partition.

The short of it is:

When you want to delete a primary partition, you must select the physical drive 
in the disk selection table.  Next, instead of going directly to the Partition 
tab, as I kept doing, go to the Erase tab and select how you want the disk to 
be reformatted; in so doing, you will erase the primary partition.  To me, this 
is not intuitive.  However, this is how it works, in El Capitan.

All's well that ends well.

I hope that some of you find this helpful and should you need assistance in 
using El Capitan disk utility, just let me know.

Mark





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Re: Update on my issueRe: Urgent Help! Voiceover on my Mac got muted!!!

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. I don't have a trackpad but what is the key combination to turn voice-over 
mute on and off?

> On 19 Jun 2016, at 06:45, Grant  wrote:
> 
> For what it’s worth, I experience this occasionally as well. It always occurs 
> after I wake the computer from sleep, and I find that VoiceOver is running, 
> but muted. I am not sure what causes this problem but it is especially 
> difficult to work around. To help, I’ve assigned the “mute VoiceOver” command 
> to a hotkey using the VoiceOver keyboard commander preferences. At least this 
> gives another option if the trackpad gesture doesn’t work. It will not work 
> if you are at the lock screen in the password field, and the command to 
> toggle VoiceOver won’t work on the lock screen at all. Hearing the error tone 
> when you press COMMAND-F5 actually gives you one of the few indications that 
> are available at this point, which is that you are likely in the lock screen 
> meaning you need to get passed it before trying too much else. Once you are 
> passed the lock screen, using the commands to toggle VoiceOver and toggle 
> mute are sometimes effective, but not always. Sometimes if there are no apps 
> that need your attention, you can at least cleanly reboot the system by, say, 
> pressing the POWER button for a few seconds to bring up the shut down dialog, 
> then pressing r for restart.
> 
> I am not sure why this occurs, and it may be that it only occurs on some Macs 
> but not others. Would love to hear from others on this.
> 
> Grant
> 
>> On Saturday June 18, 2016, at 4:51:25 PM, Helga Schreiber 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All!!How are you again? I just  want to give you  an update on my issue. 
>> I did manage to fix it!!! I did it this way guys! I ask my mom to turn off 
>> my computer since I press the power button,and she did  it with the mouse. 
>> So when I turn on my computer I was able to type my user name and password 
>> and then I double tap on the go button. then Voiceover said Welcome to OS10, 
>> and after that VO said speech off,and I tried for half and hour or perhaps 
>> more,   before even my mom turn  off my computer to turn on speech on by 
>> doing a triple finger double  tap on my trackpad,and I could not find the 
>> right place to make it work  on the trackpad and I knew  I was doing 
>> correctly the gesture! However, I went to a corner or somewhere in the 
>> trackpad and I tried to perform  again the three fingers double tap and it 
>> finally work!  Thanks so much guys for give ing me some suggestions! I look 
>> forward in hearing from yu soon. Thanks and God bless! 
>> 
>> Helga Schreiber 
>> 
>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind 
>> Students.
>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
>> Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com 
>> Skype: helga.schreiber26 
>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 
>> 
>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever 
>> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
>> Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.2
>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 6:26 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> For the three-finger double-tap, you may need to make sure that the 
>>> Trackpad Commander is on.  Hold down the VO keys, then do a two-finger 
>>> twist to the right, sort of like turning up a volume knob.  After ensuring 
>>> that the Trackpad Commander is on, try the three-finger double-tap, then 
>>> turn up the volume by pressing F12 a number of times.  You may need to also 
>>> try these steps another time if VoiceOver has somehow been turned off 
>>> during all your attempts.  So, try the instructions once, then if nothing 
>>> improves, press cmd-f5 and try them again.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 16:18, Helga Schreiber  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all! how are you all? The subject line says it all! I wanted to use my 
>>> mac computer, but I don't know what I press and my voiceover on my mac got 
>>> muted,and I can't unmuted. I tried everything. I tried to press the 
>>> function 11 key and I even shut down my computer and my Voiceover does not 
>>> talk t all! And at home I'm the only one that has a Mac computer! I really 
>>> don't know what I press guys! I wil really appreciate any help you guy 
>>> scanoffer me regarding this matter!! I even treied the thre fingers double 
>>> tap  on my trackpad in ordr to bring my VoiceOver again, but it does not 
>>> work! I look forward in hearing form you soon. Thanks and God bless! 
>>> 
>>> Helga Schreiber 
>>> 
>>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind 
>>> Students.
>>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>>> Phone:  (56

RE: Update on my issueRe: Urgent Help! Voiceover on my Mac got muted!!!

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi,
Either use the mute key which should be the F10 key on the function key row of 
your keyboard,

Or on your touch pad do a three finguer double tap such as you’d do on your 
iPhone or iPad.


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
Sent: Sunday, 19 June 2016 8:23 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Update on my issueRe: Urgent Help! Voiceover on my Mac got muted!!!

Hi. I don't have a trackpad but what is the key combination to turn voice-over 
mute on and off?

On 19 Jun 2016, at 06:45, Grant 
mailto:grant.li...@icloud.com>> wrote:
For what it’s worth, I experience this occasionally as well. It always occurs 
after I wake the computer from sleep, and I find that VoiceOver is running, but 
muted. I am not sure what causes this problem but it is especially difficult to 
work around. To help, I’ve assigned the “mute VoiceOver” command to a hotkey 
using the VoiceOver keyboard commander preferences. At least this gives another 
option if the trackpad gesture doesn’t work. It will not work if you are at the 
lock screen in the password field, and the command to toggle VoiceOver won’t 
work on the lock screen at all. Hearing the error tone when you press 
COMMAND-F5 actually gives you one of the few indications that are available at 
this point, which is that you are likely in the lock screen meaning you need to 
get passed it before trying too much else. Once you are passed the lock screen, 
using the commands to toggle VoiceOver and toggle mute are sometimes effective, 
but not always. Sometimes if there are no apps that need your attention, you 
can at least cleanly reboot the system by, say, pressing the POWER button for a 
few seconds to bring up the shut down dialog, then pressing r for restart.

I am not sure why this occurs, and it may be that it only occurs on some Macs 
but not others. Would love to hear from others on this.

Grant

On Saturday June 18, 2016, at 4:51:25 PM, Helga Schreiber 
mailto:helga.schreibe...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi All!!How are you again? I just  want to give you  an update on my issue. I 
did manage to fix it!!! I did it this way guys! I ask my mom to turn off my 
computer since I press the power button,and she did  it with the mouse. So when 
I turn on my computer I was able to type my user name and password and then I 
double tap on the go button. then Voiceover said Welcome to OS10, and after 
that VO said speech off,and I tried for half and hour or perhaps more,   before 
even my mom turn  off my computer to turn on speech on by doing a triple finger 
double  tap on my trackpad,and I could not find the right place to make it work 
 on the trackpad and I knew  I was doing correctly the gesture! However, I went 
to a corner or somewhere in the trackpad and I tried to perform  again the 
three fingers double tap and it finally work!  Thanks so much guys for give ing 
me some suggestions! I look forward in hearing from yu soon. Thanks and God 
bless!

Helga Schreiber

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind 
Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950
Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com
Skype: helga.schreiber26
4Life Website: 
http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
INT Website: http://int4life.com/

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever 
believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.2

On Jun 18, 2016, at 6:26 PM, Tim Kilburn 
mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
Hi,

For the three-finger double-tap, you may need to make sure that the Trackpad 
Commander is on.  Hold down the VO keys, then do a two-finger twist to the 
right, sort of like turning up a volume knob.  After ensuring that the Trackpad 
Commander is on, try the three-finger double-tap, then turn up the volume by 
pressing F12 a number of times.  You may need to also try these steps another 
time if VoiceOver has somehow been turned off during all your attempts.  So, 
try the instructions once, then if nothing improves, press cmd-f5 and try them 
again.

Later...



Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 18, 2016, at 16:18, Helga Schreiber 
mailto:helga.schreibe...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi all! how are you all? The subject line says it all! I wanted to use my mac 
computer, but I don't know what I press and my voiceover on my mac got 
muted,and I can't unmuted. I tried everything. I tried to press the function 11 
key and I even shut down my computer and my Voiceover does not talk t all! And 
at home I'm the only one that has a Mac computer! I really don't know what I 
press guys! I wil really appreciate any help you guy scanoffer me regarding 
this matter!! I even treied the thre fingers double tap  on my trackpad

Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. Thanks for the encouragement and I'm going to try a couple more episodes of 
the David Woodbridge podcasts today  The great Ausi is keeping me going.  I'm 
going to tackle emails today  I have been doing a couple of podcasts every 
other day and this means I don't get too much information at one time

> On 18 Jun 2016, at 13:31, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi Saqib,
> 
> Don't give up on learning the Mac.  I was in my forties when I got my first 
> Mac in 2009.  For about the first two months that I had it, I just wanted to 
> throw it at something.  But then at some point, everything just clicked, and 
> now I wouldn't go back for anything in the world.  You really will get it, it 
> just takes time.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 3:29 AM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi. High percentage of people would generally use windows anyway and it 
>> would make sense for them to continue to endorse windows  I bought a Mac 
>> mini two weeks ago and I'm already starting to give up on it because my 
>> 40-year-old eaging brain can't cope with the new operating system and all 
>> the commands that I have to  remember  
>> 
>>> On 17 Jun 2016, at 11:19, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It'sinteresting you guys are saying that your schools / colleges are going 
>>> for windows machines over macs due to price.
>>> 
>>> I work in tertiary education and we're finding a mix of this situation,
>>> 
>>> We the university are putting in windows based systems such as a citrix 
>>> managed desktop for students 
>>> And giving students  Microsoft office 365 accounts for access to email and 
>>> cloud based services.
>>> 
>>> Yet we find that a major number over 50% now of students are coming to 
>>> university with mac books of one type or another as that is what their high 
>>> schools are recommending for them or selling them when they start high 
>>> school.
>>> 
>>> We find them more reliable and longer lasting when it comes to ware and 
>>> tear as well as keeping up to date with the OS versions Mac OS doesn’t 
>>> change as much as the windows environments
>>> 
>>> Yet our senior management teams only seem to want Microsoft products, 
>>> possibly because they do great deals for educational fascilities 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Badger
>>> Sent: Friday, 17 June 2016 2:06 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>>> 
>>> Donna,
>>> I work in higher Ed as well. I have noticed the same thing. I am getting 
>>> ready to start a new job, and when I asked for a Mac they thought I was 
>>> asking for something extravagant. That is, until I told them that jaws 
>>> would cost close to $1000 and therefore the cost would equal that of a Mac. 
>>> Then they were OK with it.
>>> Nancy
>>> 
>>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>>> Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services UT Chattanooga Sent from my 
>>> iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.
>>> 
 On Jun 16, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Microsoft also has the higher education market cornered.  Though many 
 individual faculty prefer to use Macs, every campus I've ever been on was 
 primarily a PC campus.  When we came to SIU I made a real push to try and 
 get them to move toward Mac, but the head of IT at the time was in bed 
 with some big wig at Dell, so SIU is Dell PCs pretty much exclusively.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
> On Jun 15, 2016, at 11:39 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Well, first, integrating Macs in to windows environments is very simple.  
> At least it has been in the examples I’ve seen which are fairly large 
> rollouts.  Granted I don’t know how this was in the Leopard or Lion days 
> but more recently the integration has been very good.  
> 
> You could harden the devices to make them more kid proof than they are 
> out of the box.  Depends on the over all budget though, generic PCs may 
> well be the least expensive way to go.
> 
> Maybe it’s my industry then because I’m not seeing the use of Windows 
> nearly as much.  You still see it on the administrative side, there’s 
> usually large active directory farms and such but as far as the end 
> clients laptops, almost all Mac in my experience.  Then again, I’m seeing 
> Macs everywhere now, Starbucks, on the train.  It was shocking me the 
> wide use of macs when we were having the discussion of the mac 
> disappearing because they are everywhere, at least up here in the North 
> East US.
> 
> I’ve also seen a lot of the back end Windows stuff being replaced with 
> Linux.  There’s some real good open source alternatives out there and 
> even Big companies (TripAdvisor being one) switched to a linux backend 
> with Macs for the employees.
> 
> Maybe other industries are more Wi

Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi Sean. Thanks for offering to help. I have taken note of your email address 
and will get back to you for help and advice off the list  

> On 18 Jun 2016, at 21:46, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Well Saqib, I along with others offer one on one training for people that 
> would like to learn the Mac. I can do it through Skype or FaceTime and if you 
> can't pay for my services, that's ok. I currently train a person in her mid 
> 40s and she has learned pretty much everything under my tutelage. So if she 
> learned it, you can too. Don't give up. My contact info is below if you're 
> interested and to everyone else, sorry if you think I'm trying to advertise 
> on list. That's not my intension.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 7:31 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Saqib
> 
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Re: How Often Would I Need A Numb Pad

[Devin Prater]

I use the numpad commander quite a lot, but mostly only when I know I'll be 
doing a lot of navigation, like on the web and such. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 19, 2016, at 1:19 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Well that depends on how you use the keyboard.
> There is a numpad commander so that the numpad keys acts as navigation keys 
> for Voiceover.
> For example you navigate with numpad 6 and 4, 2 and 8.
> You can interact with numpad 9 and stop interacting with numpad 7.
> For me its really great but that does not say you agree.
> Hope that helps.
> /A
>> On 18 Jun 2016, at 23:52, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>> 
>> Not yet knowing a lot about using VoiceOver on a mac, do I need a keyboard 
>> with a numb pad very often?  I know it surely can be used without a numb 
>> pad, but, as with Jaws, is it easier to use with one?   The option of buying 
>> the wireless magic keyboard appeals to me, but I don't know how often I 
>> would wish I had the numb pad.  Thanks for any information.
>>  
>> Arnold Schmidt
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Re: How Often Would I Need A Numb Pad

[Ben J. Bloomgren]

if you're doing specialized work, such as recording, audio production 
etcetera, then you definitely will need a numpad as far as I've heard. 
I, on the other hand, have a full wired keyboard with a numpad, and I 
keep it tied to my Dell Inspiron E1505, which is running the deprecated 
OS, Windows XP! That is to say, I really haven't missed the numpad on OSX.



Ben


On 6/18/2016 14:52, Arnold Schmidt wrote:
Not yet knowing a lot about using VoiceOver on a mac, do I need a 
keyboard with a numb pad very often?  I know it surely can be used 
without a numb pad, but, as with Jaws, is it easier to use with one?  
 The option of buying the wireless magic keyboard appeals to me, but I 
don't know how often I would wish I had the numb pad.  Thanks for any 
information.

Arnold Schmidt
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RE: How Often Would I Need A Numb Pad

[Simon Fogarty]

I can’t say I’ve ever tried using the numpad for navigation but the thing I do 
use is the touch pad, I’ve got the new magic touch pad 2, I find it a bit 
harder to use than the older style but being able to use the touchpad  of my 
mac in the same way as the touch screan of my iPhone  is great.
Keeps everything in alinement.

I had to setup my voiceover settings to allow me to use the touch pad that way 
though.
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Ben J. Bloomgren
Sent: Sunday, 19 June 2016 9:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How Often Would I Need A Numb Pad


if you're doing specialized work, such as recording, audio production etcetera, 
then you definitely will need a numpad as far as I've heard. I, on the other 
hand, have a full wired keyboard with a numpad, and I keep it tied to my Dell 
Inspiron E1505, which is running the deprecated OS, Windows XP! That is to say, 
I really haven't missed the numpad on OSX.



Ben

On 6/18/2016 14:52, Arnold Schmidt wrote:
Not yet knowing a lot about using VoiceOver on a mac, do I need a keyboard with 
a numb pad very often?  I know it surely can be used without a numb pad, but, 
as with Jaws, is it easier to use with one?   The option of buying the wireless 
magic keyboard appeals to me, but I don't know how often I would wish I had the 
numb pad.  Thanks for any information.

Arnold Schmidt
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Re: Xcode and the new upcomming free app.

[Alex Hall]

Swift Playgrounds is an app for teaching people how to code, or for programmers 
to get used to Swift and the iOS SDKs. It can't be used to write a real app, 
but given that it can access all the APIs, you could make a pretty complex 
playground that does something cool. Still, you can't export it as an app or 
anything. This comes from the presentation, no personal experience.
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 01:51, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> So kevin,
>  
> Is swift playground for game development or can it be used for developing 
> applications for general use on IOS devices.
>  
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
> Sent: Sunday, 19 June 2016 8:48 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Xcode and the new upcomming free app.
>  
> I answered if Swift Playgrounds is accessible in:
> http://applevis.com/forum/ios-ios-app-discussion/will-apples-new-swift-playgrounds-app-be-accessible-voiceover-users
>  
> 
>  
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 2:01 AM Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
> Yeah that sounds right,
> 
>  And the chick demonstrating it was using an iPad I believe to write her code.
> 
>   I hope it will be accessible on all OS platforms.
> 
>  I'd like to start playing around with x code.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> ] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
> Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 11:02 AM
> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries  >
> Subject: Xcode and the new upcomming free app.
> 
> Hi!
> I heard something about a new free app that could help people learn Xcode.
> Was it swift playground they call it?
> I didn’t watch the wdc because there was a Football game at the same time.
> But i read about it on the applevis homepage.
> So what i wonder if what you all think about that?
> Is it a good way of taking care of such things or is there a better place to 
> learn swift?
> Thanks in advance./A
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Re: Update on my issueRe: Urgent Help! Voiceover on my Mac got muted!!!

[Mark Furness]

UNFORTUNATELY  I AM ONE   WHO HAS A 17”  MAC WHICH OFTEN RESTARTS WITH NO VO 
SPEAKING.
I SHUT DOWN THROUGH THE MENU SYSTEM . BUT MAIL MAY HAVE BEEN LEFT RUNNING..
So far, I just shut down, , by holding dow the power button for about 5 
seconds, then restart . and it works fine. 


Mark F
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 1:45 AM, Grant  wrote:
> 
> For what it’s worth, I experience this occasionally as well. It always occurs 
> after I wake the computer from sleep, and I find that VoiceOver is running, 
> but muted. I am not sure what causes this problem but it is especially 
> difficult to work around. To help, I’ve assigned the “mute VoiceOver” command 
> to a hotkey using the VoiceOver keyboard commander preferences. At least this 
> gives another option if the trackpad gesture doesn’t work. It will not work 
> if you are at the lock screen in the password field, and the command to 
> toggle VoiceOver won’t work on the lock screen at all. Hearing the error tone 
> when you press COMMAND-F5 actually gives you one of the few indications that 
> are available at this point, which is that you are likely in the lock screen 
> meaning you need to get passed it before trying too much else. Once you are 
> passed the lock screen, using the commands to toggle VoiceOver and toggle 
> mute are sometimes effective, but not always. Sometimes if there are no apps 
> that need your attention, you can at least cleanly reboot the system by, say, 
> pressing the POWER button for a few seconds to bring up the shut down dialog, 
> then pressing r for restart.
> 
> I am not sure why this occurs, and it may be that it only occurs on some Macs 
> but not others. Would love to hear from others on this.
> 
> Grant
> 
>> On Saturday June 18, 2016, at 4:51:25 PM, Helga Schreiber 
>> mailto:helga.schreibe...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All!!How are you again? I just  want to give you  an update on my issue. 
>> I did manage to fix it!!! I did it this way guys! I ask my mom to turn off 
>> my computer since I press the power button,and she did  it with the mouse. 
>> So when I turn on my computer I was able to type my user name and password 
>> and then I double tap on the go button. then Voiceover said Welcome to OS10, 
>> and after that VO said speech off,and I tried for half and hour or perhaps 
>> more,   before even my mom turn  off my computer to turn on speech on by 
>> doing a triple finger double  tap on my trackpad,and I could not find the 
>> right place to make it work  on the trackpad and I knew  I was doing 
>> correctly the gesture! However, I went to a corner or somewhere in the 
>> trackpad and I tried to perform  again the three fingers double tap and it 
>> finally work!  Thanks so much guys for give ing me some suggestions! I look 
>> forward in hearing from yu soon. Thanks and God bless! 
>> 
>> Helga Schreiber 
>> 
>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind 
>> Students.
>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
>> Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com  
>> Skype: helga.schreiber26 
>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.as 
>> px 
>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/  
>> 
>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever 
>> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
>> Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.2
>> 
>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 6:26 PM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> For the three-finger double-tap, you may need to make sure that the 
>>> Trackpad Commander is on.  Hold down the VO keys, then do a two-finger 
>>> twist to the right, sort of like turning up a volume knob.  After ensuring 
>>> that the Trackpad Commander is on, try the three-finger double-tap, then 
>>> turn up the volume by pressing F12 a number of times.  You may need to also 
>>> try these steps another time if VoiceOver has somehow been turned off 
>>> during all your attempts.  So, try the instructions once, then if nothing 
>>> improves, press cmd-f5 and try them again.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 16:18, Helga Schreiber >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all! how are you all? The subject line says it all! I wanted to use my 
>>> mac computer, but I don't know what I press and my voiceover on my mac got 
>>> muted,and I can't unmuted. I tried everything. I tried to press the 
>>> function 11 key and I even shut down my computer and my Voiceover does not 
>>> talk t all! And at home I'm the only one that has a Mac computer! I really 
>>> don't know what I press guys! I wil really appreciate any help you guy 
>>> scanoffer me regarding this matter!! I even treied the thre fingers double 
>

Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[matthew dyer]

Hi,


One thing I wish they would do is make it easyer to remove the preview 
pain in mail.  As it stands now, you have to drag the slider bar to the 
bottom of the screen and for someone who doesn't use a mouse or track 
pad very often this is a pain.



Matthew




On 06/19/2016 04:29 AM, Saqib Hussain wrote:

Hi. Thanks for the encouragement and I'm going to try a couple more episodes of 
the David Woodbridge podcasts today  The great Ausi is keeping me going.  I'm 
going to tackle emails today  I have been doing a couple of podcasts every 
other day and this means I don't get too much information at one time


On 18 Jun 2016, at 13:31, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Hi Saqib,

Don't give up on learning the Mac.  I was in my forties when I got my first Mac 
in 2009.  For about the first two months that I had it, I just wanted to throw 
it at something.  But then at some point, everything just clicked, and now I 
wouldn't go back for anything in the world.  You really will get it, it just 
takes time.
Cheers,
Donna

On Jun 18, 2016, at 3:29 AM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:

Hi. High percentage of people would generally use windows anyway and it would 
make sense for them to continue to endorse windows  I bought a Mac mini two 
weeks ago and I'm already starting to give up on it because my 40-year-old 
eaging brain can't cope with the new operating system and all the commands that 
I have to  remember


On 17 Jun 2016, at 11:19, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

It'sinteresting you guys are saying that your schools / colleges are going for 
windows machines over macs due to price.

I work in tertiary education and we're finding a mix of this situation,

We the university are putting in windows based systems such as a citrix managed 
desktop for students
And giving students  Microsoft office 365 accounts for access to email and 
cloud based services.

Yet we find that a major number over 50% now of students are coming to 
university with mac books of one type or another as that is what their high 
schools are recommending for them or selling them when they start high school.

We find them more reliable and longer lasting when it comes to ware and tear as 
well as keeping up to date with the OS versions Mac OS doesn’t change as much 
as the windows environments

Yet our senior management teams only seem to want Microsoft products, possibly 
because they do great deals for educational fascilities

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Nancy Badger
Sent: Friday, 17 June 2016 2:06 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

Donna,
I work in higher Ed as well. I have noticed the same thing. I am getting ready 
to start a new job, and when I asked for a Mac they thought I was asking for 
something extravagant. That is, until I told them that jaws would cost close to 
$1000 and therefore the cost would equal that of a Mac. Then they were OK with 
it.
Nancy

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services UT Chattanooga Sent from my iPhone 
with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.


On Jun 16, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Microsoft also has the higher education market cornered.  Though many 
individual faculty prefer to use Macs, every campus I've ever been on was 
primarily a PC campus.  When we came to SIU I made a real push to try and get 
them to move toward Mac, but the head of IT at the time was in bed with some 
big wig at Dell, so SIU is Dell PCs pretty much exclusively.
Cheers,
Donna


On Jun 15, 2016, at 11:39 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:

Well, first, integrating Macs in to windows environments is very simple.  At 
least it has been in the examples I’ve seen which are fairly large rollouts.  
Granted I don’t know how this was in the Leopard or Lion days but more recently 
the integration has been very good.

You could harden the devices to make them more kid proof than they are out of 
the box.  Depends on the over all budget though, generic PCs may well be the 
least expensive way to go.

Maybe it’s my industry then because I’m not seeing the use of Windows nearly as 
much.  You still see it on the administrative side, there’s usually large 
active directory farms and such but as far as the end clients laptops, almost 
all Mac in my experience.  Then again, I’m seeing Macs everywhere now, 
Starbucks, on the train.  It was shocking me the wide use of macs when we were 
having the discussion of the mac disappearing because they are everywhere, at 
least up here in the North East US.

I’ve also seen a lot of the back end Windows stuff being replaced with Linux.  
There’s some real good open source alternatives out there and even Big 
companies (TripAdvisor being one) switched to a linux backend with Macs for the 
employees.

Maybe other industries are more Windows saturated.  I’ve heard for example that 
Microsoft has the federal market cornered.

On 6/15/16, 12:13 PM, "'C

Seeking a Jaws & NVDA Guru

[Ibraheem Fakir]

Dear List,

Hope you’re all well. I recently set up Windows 7 on a bootcamp drive and had 
some questions re: Jaws 15 and NVDA. Might anyone here be familiar with Windows 
7 and these screen readers? If so, can you please contact me off list? 

Thanks so much! I appreciate your time.

All best,
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Will I Still Need A Dummy Monitor Load

[Arnold Schmidt]

It use to be that I would need a dummy monitor load to connect to my soon to be 
acquired Mac Mini, being that I will not be using a monitor.  Otherwise, 
VoiceOver would become sluggish and almost unusable.  Now, I read that the 
modern computers and operating systems no longer need this load.  Do I still 
need it?  I found one on Amazon, by Compulab, for $15.   Thanks in advance for 
any information.

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Re: How Often Would I Need A Numb Pad

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
What differs the newer one from the older one?
Thanks.
/A
> On 19 Jun 2016, at 11:59, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> I can’t say I’ve ever tried using the numpad for navigation but the thing I 
> do use is the touch pad, I’ve got the new magic touch pad 2, I find it a bit 
> harder to use than the older style but being able to use the touchpad  of my 
> mac in the same way as the touch screan of my iPhone  is great.
> Keeps everything in alinement.
>  
> I had to setup my voiceover settings to allow me to use the touch pad that 
> way though.
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Ben J. Bloomgren
> Sent: Sunday, 19 June 2016 9:39 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: How Often Would I Need A Numb Pad
>  
> if you're doing specialized work, such as recording, audio production 
> etcetera, then you definitely will need a numpad as far as I've heard. I, on 
> the other hand, have a full wired keyboard with a numpad, and I keep it tied 
> to my Dell Inspiron E1505, which is running the deprecated OS, Windows XP! 
> That is to say, I really haven't missed the numpad on OSX.
> 
>  
> 
> Ben
> 
>  
> On 6/18/2016 14:52, Arnold Schmidt wrote:
> Not yet knowing a lot about using VoiceOver on a mac, do I need a keyboard 
> with a numb pad very often?  I know it surely can be used without a numb pad, 
> but, as with Jaws, is it easier to use with one?   The option of buying the 
> wireless magic keyboard appeals to me, but I don't know how often I would 
> wish I had the numb pad.  Thanks for any information.
>  
> Arnold Schmidt
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Re: How Often Would I Need A Numb Pad

[Arnold Schmidt]

I have since decided to buy the wired keyboard.  I will have the numb pad in 
case I want to learn to use it.  Plus, it will be about $50 less than the 
wireless one.  

Arnold Schmidt
  - Original Message - 
  From: Anders Holmberg 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 2:19 AM
  Subject: Re: How Often Would I Need A Numb Pad


  Hi!
  Well that depends on how you use the keyboard.
  There is a numpad commander so that the numpad keys acts as navigation keys 
for Voiceover.
  For example you navigate with numpad 6 and 4, 2 and 8.
  You can interact with numpad 9 and stop interacting with numpad 7.
  For me its really great but that does not say you agree.
  Hope that helps.
  /A

On 18 Jun 2016, at 23:52, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:


Not yet knowing a lot about using VoiceOver on a mac, do I need a keyboard 
with a numb pad very often?  I know it surely can be used without a numb pad, 
but, as with Jaws, is it easier to use with one?   The option of buying the 
wireless magic keyboard appeals to me, but I don't know how often I would wish 
I had the numb pad.  Thanks for any information.

Arnold Schmidt


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Re: Update on my issueRe: Urgent Help! Voiceover on my Mac got muted!!!

[Grant]

Hi Simon,

The system mute function (F10) does not do the same thing. There is a specific 
“mute VoiceOver” toggle which is executed with the three-finger double-tap on 
the trackpad. To assign it to a keystroke, you need to use VO-F8 to open the 
Voice Over Utility, navigate to the Commanders section, choose the keyboard 
commander tab, and assign it to a hotkey.

Grant

> On Sunday June 19, 2016, at 1:25:31 AM, Simon Fogarty  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Either use the mute key which should be the F10 key on the function key row 
> of your keyboard,
>  
> Or on your touch pad do a three finguer double tap such as you’d do on your 
> iPhone or iPad.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
> Sent: Sunday, 19 June 2016 8:23 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Update on my issueRe: Urgent Help! Voiceover on my Mac got 
> muted!!!
>  
> Hi. I don't have a trackpad but what is the key combination to turn 
> voice-over mute on and off?
> 
> On 19 Jun 2016, at 06:45, Grant  > wrote:
> 
> For what it’s worth, I experience this occasionally as well. It always occurs 
> after I wake the computer from sleep, and I find that VoiceOver is running, 
> but muted. I am not sure what causes this problem but it is especially 
> difficult to work around. To help, I’ve assigned the “mute VoiceOver” command 
> to a hotkey using the VoiceOver keyboard commander preferences. At least this 
> gives another option if the trackpad gesture doesn’t work. It will not work 
> if you are at the lock screen in the password field, and the command to 
> toggle VoiceOver won’t work on the lock screen at all. Hearing the error tone 
> when you press COMMAND-F5 actually gives you one of the few indications that 
> are available at this point, which is that you are likely in the lock screen 
> meaning you need to get passed it before trying too much else. Once you are 
> passed the lock screen, using the commands to toggle VoiceOver and toggle 
> mute are sometimes effective, but not always. Sometimes if there are no apps 
> that need your attention, you can at least cleanly reboot the system by, say, 
> pressing the POWER button for a few seconds to bring up the shut down dialog, 
> then pressing r for restart.
>  
> I am not sure why this occurs, and it may be that it only occurs on some Macs 
> but not others. Would love to hear from others on this.
> 
> Grant
>  
> On Saturday June 18, 2016, at 4:51:25 PM, Helga Schreiber 
> mailto:helga.schreibe...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hi All!!How are you again? I just  want to give you  an update on my issue. I 
> did manage to fix it!!! I did it this way guys! I ask my mom to turn off my 
> computer since I press the power button,and she did  it with the mouse. So 
> when I turn on my computer I was able to type my user name and password and 
> then I double tap on the go button. then Voiceover said Welcome to OS10, and 
> after that VO said speech off,and I tried for half and hour or perhaps more,  
>  before even my mom turn  off my computer to turn on speech on by doing a 
> triple finger double  tap on my trackpad,and I could not find the right place 
> to make it work  on the trackpad and I knew  I was doing correctly the 
> gesture! However, I went to a corner or somewhere in the trackpad and I tried 
> to perform  again the three fingers double tap and it finally work!  Thanks 
> so much guys for give ing me some suggestions! I look forward in hearing from 
> yu soon. Thanks and God bless! 
> 
> Helga Schreiber 
>  
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind 
> Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
> Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com  
> Skype: helga.schreiber26 
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.as 
> px 
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/  
>  
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever 
> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
> Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.2
> 
> On Jun 18, 2016, at 6:26 PM, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>  
> For the three-finger double-tap, you may need to make sure that the Trackpad 
> Commander is on.  Hold down the VO keys, then do a two-finger twist to the 
> right, sort of like turning up a volume knob.  After ensuring that the 
> Trackpad Commander is on, try the three-finger double-tap, then turn up the 
> volume by pressing F12 a number of times.  You may need to also try these 
> steps another time if VoiceOver has somehow been turned off during all your 
> attempts.  So, try the instructions once, then if nothing improves, press 
> cmd-f5 and try them again.
>  

Very very urgent: Need help with audio input on my mac

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Guys,

I have a sort of interesting situation going on here, and wanted to see if 
anyone could shed some light on this before 3 PM eastern today, when I have to 
do my Skype music lesson with my new student.

The thing is, she's wanting to have me help her with a few songs specifically 
that she can't seem to figure out the chords to, and she's not at a position 
where she can acquire sheet music, nor guitar tabs or the like.  I really can't 
go into more than that, as I protect my studentss' privacy, but anyway, here's 
the issue.

I have a 16 channel audio interface, which connects via USB to my mac.  The 
problem is, with how my studio currently is designed, we're doing some 
remodelling, so therefore for right now temporarily, I can't get my microphone 
stand over near my digital piano.  It's gotta be all the way across the room.

I have a USB microphone, but here is my question.  If I use two different USB 
ports on my mac, one for the interface, and one for my USB microphone, can I 
then combine the two devices into one?  I know that in audio/midi setup under 
Utilities, I can create an aggregate device, which is great, and trust me, I've 
done it many times before, but when doing so, it's normally so I can combine 
the output of one device and the input of another.  I've never tried taking the 
input of two devices, and combining them into one.

Basically, what my objective in doing this is, is, I want to be able to use 
that cheap little mike for now vbia USB to talk to this student, and have it 
transmit my voice.  But then, I'd like to be able to patch my piano directly 
into the input rather than miking it.  To do this though would require that I 
connect a stereo audio patch cable from the line out of my piano, to the 
red/white in on my interface.  That definitely would work, but then, I can't 
plug the microphone into the interface, being it's USB, and not XLR.  That's 
why I want to take the input from my interface, and the input of the USB mike, 
and aggregate them both into one input device, if that makes sense.

Yes, theoretically, if the mike is an issue, I could just use my IPhone with 
the Skype app, but then I can't record the Skype call with Skhype Call Recorder 
from Matthew Galligor, which she is wanting me to do.  It's not a big deal if I 
can't get the piano patched directly.  It's not a show stopper, but that said, 
it would really really be a very nice touch, and definitely would increase my 
credibility of professionalism.  If I can manage to get it aggregated, then 
I'll be in business.  The rest I know exactly! how to configure.  I just don't 
know if you can combine two inputs, or does it have to be one in, one out, at 
which point, that wouldn't work in my scenareo.

Thank you for any help.

Chris.

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Re: Very very urgent: Need help with audio input on my mac

[Ray Foret jr]

Well, you can but try.  May I suggest you attempt the agrigation and then call 
the Skype test to see what’s what?  My guess is it will not work because the 
Skype API will not allow access to your core audio.


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> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
> Guys,
>  
> I have a sort of interesting situation going on here, and wanted to see if 
> anyone could shed some light on this before 3 PM eastern today, when I have 
> to do my Skype music lesson with my new student.
>  
> The thing is, she's wanting to have me help her with a few songs specifically 
> that she can't seem to figure out the chords to, and she's not at a position 
> where she can acquire sheet music, nor guitar tabs or the like.  I really 
> can't go into more than that, as I protect my studentss' privacy, but anyway, 
> here's the issue.
>  
> I have a 16 channel audio interface, which connects via USB to my mac.  The 
> problem is, with how my studio currently is designed, we're doing some 
> remodelling, so therefore for right now temporarily, I can't get my 
> microphone stand over near my digital piano.  It's gotta be all the way 
> across the room.
>  
> I have a USB microphone, but here is my question.  If I use two different USB 
> ports on my mac, one for the interface, and one for my USB microphone, can I 
> then combine the two devices into one?  I know that in audio/midi setup under 
> Utilities, I can create an aggregate device, which is great, and trust me, 
> I've done it many times before, but when doing so, it's normally so I can 
> combine the output of one device and the input of another.  I've never tried 
> taking the input of two devices, and combining them into one.
>  
> Basically, what my objective in doing this is, is, I want to be able to use 
> that cheap little mike for now vbia USB to talk to this student, and have it 
> transmit my voice.  But then, I'd like to be able to patch my piano directly 
> into the input rather than miking it.  To do this though would require that I 
> connect a stereo audio patch cable from the line out of my piano, to the 
> red/white in on my interface.  That definitely would work, but then, I can't 
> plug the microphone into the interface, being it's USB, and not XLR.  That's 
> why I want to take the input from my interface, and the input of the USB 
> mike, and aggregate them both into one input device, if that makes sense.
>  
> Yes, theoretically, if the mike is an issue, I could just use my IPhone with 
> the Skype app, but then I can't record the Skype call with Skhype Call 
> Recorder from Matthew Galligor, which she is wanting me to do.  It's not a 
> big deal if I can't get the piano patched directly.  It's not a show stopper, 
> but that said, it would really really be a very nice touch, and definitely 
> would increase my credibility of professionalism.  If I can manage to get it 
> aggregated, then I'll be in business.  The rest I know exactly! how to 
> configure.  I just don't know if you can combine two inputs, or does it have 
> to be one in, one out, at which point, that wouldn't work in my scenareo.
>  
> Thank you for any help.
>  
> Chris.
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Re: Very very urgent: Need help with audio input on my mac

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Actually, Ray, I use Core Audio all the time with Skype, and it works fine.
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Ray Foret jr 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 2:22 PM
  Subject: Re: Very very urgent: Need help with audio input on my mac


  Well, you can but try.  May I suggest you attempt the agrigation and then 
call the Skype test to see what’s what?  My guess is it will not work because 
the Skype API will not allow access to your core audio.




  Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

  Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
  Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user! 


On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Guys,

I have a sort of interesting situation going on here, and wanted to see if 
anyone could shed some light on this before 3 PM eastern today, when I have to 
do my Skype music lesson with my new student.

The thing is, she's wanting to have me help her with a few songs 
specifically that she can't seem to figure out the chords to, and she's not at 
a position where she can acquire sheet music, nor guitar tabs or the like.  I 
really can't go into more than that, as I protect my studentss' privacy, but 
anyway, here's the issue.

I have a 16 channel audio interface, which connects via USB to my mac.  The 
problem is, with how my studio currently is designed, we're doing some 
remodelling, so therefore for right now temporarily, I can't get my microphone 
stand over near my digital piano.  It's gotta be all the way across the room.

I have a USB microphone, but here is my question.  If I use two different 
USB ports on my mac, one for the interface, and one for my USB microphone, can 
I then combine the two devices into one?  I know that in audio/midi setup under 
Utilities, I can create an aggregate device, which is great, and trust me, I've 
done it many times before, but when doing so, it's normally so I can combine 
the output of one device and the input of another.  I've never tried taking the 
input of two devices, and combining them into one.

Basically, what my objective in doing this is, is, I want to be able to use 
that cheap little mike for now vbia USB to talk to this student, and have it 
transmit my voice.  But then, I'd like to be able to patch my piano directly 
into the input rather than miking it.  To do this though would require that I 
connect a stereo audio patch cable from the line out of my piano, to the 
red/white in on my interface.  That definitely would work, but then, I can't 
plug the microphone into the interface, being it's USB, and not XLR.  That's 
why I want to take the input from my interface, and the input of the USB mike, 
and aggregate them both into one input device, if that makes sense.

Yes, theoretically, if the mike is an issue, I could just use my IPhone 
with the Skype app, but then I can't record the Skype call with Skhype Call 
Recorder from Matthew Galligor, which she is wanting me to do.  It's not a big 
deal if I can't get the piano patched directly.  It's not a show stopper, but 
that said, it would really really be a very nice touch, and definitely would 
increase my credibility of professionalism.  If I can manage to get it 
aggregated, then I'll be in business.  The rest I know exactly! how to 
configure.  I just don't know if you can combine two inputs, or does it have to 
be one in, one out, at which point, that wouldn't work in my scenareo.

Thank you for any help.

Chris.


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Re: Update on my issueRe: Urgent Help! Voiceover on my Mac got muted!!!

[Helga Schreiber]

Hi Grant. How are you? I  know what you mean about the commander! I do want to 
set a commander for the mute voiceovr option, but where I can't find that 
option! I know the steps in how to create a commander! but I can't find the 
Mute and unmute option of voiceover in order to set it as a commander! just in 
case I experience the same problem again! I went to Voiceover utilities adnI 
went to general optiosn but I can't find the mute adn unmute voiceovr so I 
can't put a commander for it. Is there any specific place where I can find it? 
I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless!

Helga Schreiber 

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind 
Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever 
believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.2

> On Jun 19, 2016, at 4:25 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Either use the mute key which should be the F10 key on the function key row 
> of your keyboard,
>  
> Or on your touch pad do a three finguer double tap such as you’d do on your 
> iPhone or iPad.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
> Sent: Sunday, 19 June 2016 8:23 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Update on my issueRe: Urgent Help! Voiceover on my Mac got 
> muted!!!
>  
> Hi. I don't have a trackpad but what is the key combination to turn 
> voice-over mute on and off?
> 
> On 19 Jun 2016, at 06:45, Grant  wrote:
> 
> For what it’s worth, I experience this occasionally as well. It always occurs 
> after I wake the computer from sleep, and I find that VoiceOver is running, 
> but muted. I am not sure what causes this problem but it is especially 
> difficult to work around. To help, I’ve assigned the “mute VoiceOver” command 
> to a hotkey using the VoiceOver keyboard commander preferences. At least this 
> gives another option if the trackpad gesture doesn’t work. It will not work 
> if you are at the lock screen in the password field, and the command to 
> toggle VoiceOver won’t work on the lock screen at all. Hearing the error tone 
> when you press COMMAND-F5 actually gives you one of the few indications that 
> are available at this point, which is that you are likely in the lock screen 
> meaning you need to get passed it before trying too much else. Once you are 
> passed the lock screen, using the commands to toggle VoiceOver and toggle 
> mute are sometimes effective, but not always. Sometimes if there are no apps 
> that need your attention, you can at least cleanly reboot the system by, say, 
> pressing the POWER button for a few seconds to bring up the shut down dialog, 
> then pressing r for restart.
>  
> I am not sure why this occurs, and it may be that it only occurs on some Macs 
> but not others. Would love to hear from others on this.
> 
> Grant
>  
> On Saturday June 18, 2016, at 4:51:25 PM, Helga Schreiber 
>  wrote:
>  
> Hi All!!How are you again? I just  want to give you  an update on my issue. I 
> did manage to fix it!!! I did it this way guys! I ask my mom to turn off my 
> computer since I press the power button,and she did  it with the mouse. So 
> when I turn on my computer I was able to type my user name and password and 
> then I double tap on the go button. then Voiceover said Welcome to OS10, and 
> after that VO said speech off,and I tried for half and hour or perhaps more,  
>  before even my mom turn  off my computer to turn on speech on by doing a 
> triple finger double  tap on my trackpad,and I could not find the right place 
> to make it work  on the trackpad and I knew  I was doing correctly the 
> gesture! However, I went to a corner or somewhere in the trackpad and I tried 
> to perform  again the three fingers double tap and it finally work!  Thanks 
> so much guys for give ing me some suggestions! I look forward in hearing from 
> yu soon. Thanks and God bless! 
> 
> Helga Schreiber 
>  
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind 
> Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
> Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com 
> Skype: helga.schreiber26 
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 
>  
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever 
> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
> Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.2
> 
> On Jun 18, 2016, at 6:26 PM, Tim Kilb

Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Saqib,

Remember that there are many parallels with Windows.  For example, where in 
Windows you would use the Control Key, on the Mac you will often use the 
Command key.

I don't know if you have access to a Braille embosser or a notetaker, but one 
thing I did at the beginning was emboss a list of the commands I used most 
often.  That way, when I was in the middle of working and needed to know how to 
do something, I could just refer to my braille command list.  It made things a 
lot easier.

Also, one thing that flubbed me up a lot in the beginning was that I would 
forget to interact with stuff.  Not sure if that's an issue for you, but it 
might be something to keep in mind.

Good luck!
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 3:29 AM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
> 
> Hi. Thanks for the encouragement and I'm going to try a couple more episodes 
> of the David Woodbridge podcasts today  The great Ausi is keeping me going.  
> I'm going to tackle emails today  I have been doing a couple of podcasts 
> every other day and this means I don't get too much information at one time   
>  
> 
>> On 18 Jun 2016, at 13:31, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Saqib,
>> 
>> Don't give up on learning the Mac.  I was in my forties when I got my first 
>> Mac in 2009.  For about the first two months that I had it, I just wanted to 
>> throw it at something.  But then at some point, everything just clicked, and 
>> now I wouldn't go back for anything in the world.  You really will get it, 
>> it just takes time.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 3:29 AM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi. High percentage of people would generally use windows anyway and it 
>>> would make sense for them to continue to endorse windows  I bought a Mac 
>>> mini two weeks ago and I'm already starting to give up on it because my 
>>> 40-year-old eaging brain can't cope with the new operating system and all 
>>> the commands that I have to  remember  
>>> 
 On 17 Jun 2016, at 11:19, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 It'sinteresting you guys are saying that your schools / colleges are going 
 for windows machines over macs due to price.
 
 I work in tertiary education and we're finding a mix of this situation,
 
 We the university are putting in windows based systems such as a citrix 
 managed desktop for students 
 And giving students  Microsoft office 365 accounts for access to email and 
 cloud based services.
 
 Yet we find that a major number over 50% now of students are coming to 
 university with mac books of one type or another as that is what their 
 high schools are recommending for them or selling them when they start 
 high school.
 
 We find them more reliable and longer lasting when it comes to ware and 
 tear as well as keeping up to date with the OS versions Mac OS doesn’t 
 change as much as the windows environments
 
 Yet our senior management teams only seem to want Microsoft products, 
 possibly because they do great deals for educational fascilities 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Badger
 Sent: Friday, 17 June 2016 2:06 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
 
 Donna,
 I work in higher Ed as well. I have noticed the same thing. I am getting 
 ready to start a new job, and when I asked for a Mac they thought I was 
 asking for something extravagant. That is, until I told them that jaws 
 would cost close to $1000 and therefore the cost would equal that of a 
 Mac. Then they were OK with it.
 Nancy
 
 Nancy Badger, Ph.D
 Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services UT Chattanooga Sent from my 
 iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.
 
> On Jun 16, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Microsoft also has the higher education market cornered.  Though many 
> individual faculty prefer to use Macs, every campus I've ever been on was 
> primarily a PC campus.  When we came to SIU I made a real push to try and 
> get them to move toward Mac, but the head of IT at the time was in bed 
> with some big wig at Dell, so SIU is Dell PCs pretty much exclusively.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 11:39 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, first, integrating Macs in to windows environments is very simple. 
>>  At least it has been in the examples I’ve seen which are fairly large 
>> rollouts.  Granted I don’t know how this was in the Leopard or Lion days 
>> but more recently the integration has been very good.  
>> 
>> You could harden the devices to make them more kid proof than they are 
>> out of the box.  Depends on the over all budget though, generic PCs may 
>> well be the least expensive way to go.
>> 
>

Re: How Often Would I Need A Numb Pad

[christopher hallsworth]

Hi

I have this late 2011 Macbook Pro 13 here with no num pad, and I can use 
VoiceOver absolutely fine, especially on El Capitan when I can now use either 
or both the caps lock and control-option keys as VoiceOver modifiers.
> On 18 Jun 2016, at 22:52, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> Not yet knowing a lot about using VoiceOver on a mac, do I need a keyboard 
> with a numb pad very often?  I know it surely can be used without a numb pad, 
> but, as with Jaws, is it easier to use with one?   The option of buying the 
> wireless magic keyboard appeals to me, but I don't know how often I would 
> wish I had the numb pad.  Thanks for any information.
>  
> Arnold Schmidt
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Re: Mail Preview Paine Was: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Barry Hadder]

You do not need a mouse or trackpad to do this.
In clasic view, Move vo to the horizontal splitter between the messages list 
and the preview pain and interact with it.  Move it with vo until you hear 100 
percent.

On Jun 19, 2016, at 10:39, matthew dyer  wrote:

Hi,


One thing I wish they would do is make it easyer to remove the preview pain in 
mail.  As it stands now, you have to drag the slider bar to the bottom of the 
screen and for someone who doesn't use a mouse or track pad very often this is 
a pain.


Matthew




On 06/19/2016 04:29 AM, Saqib Hussain wrote:
> Hi. Thanks for the encouragement and I'm going to try a couple more episodes 
> of the David Woodbridge podcasts today  The great Ausi is keeping me going.  
> I'm going to tackle emails today  I have been doing a couple of podcasts 
> every other day and this means I don't get too much information at one time
> 
>> On 18 Jun 2016, at 13:31, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Saqib,
>> 
>> Don't give up on learning the Mac.  I was in my forties when I got my first 
>> Mac in 2009.  For about the first two months that I had it, I just wanted to 
>> throw it at something.  But then at some point, everything just clicked, and 
>> now I wouldn't go back for anything in the world.  You really will get it, 
>> it just takes time.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 3:29 AM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi. High percentage of people would generally use windows anyway and it 
>>> would make sense for them to continue to endorse windows  I bought a Mac 
>>> mini two weeks ago and I'm already starting to give up on it because my 
>>> 40-year-old eaging brain can't cope with the new operating system and all 
>>> the commands that I have to  remember
>>> 
 On 17 Jun 2016, at 11:19, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 It'sinteresting you guys are saying that your schools / colleges are going 
 for windows machines over macs due to price.
 
 I work in tertiary education and we're finding a mix of this situation,
 
 We the university are putting in windows based systems such as a citrix 
 managed desktop for students
 And giving students  Microsoft office 365 accounts for access to email and 
 cloud based services.
 
 Yet we find that a major number over 50% now of students are coming to 
 university with mac books of one type or another as that is what their 
 high schools are recommending for them or selling them when they start 
 high school.
 
 We find them more reliable and longer lasting when it comes to ware and 
 tear as well as keeping up to date with the OS versions Mac OS doesn’t 
 change as much as the windows environments
 
 Yet our senior management teams only seem to want Microsoft products, 
 possibly because they do great deals for educational fascilities
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Badger
 Sent: Friday, 17 June 2016 2:06 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
 
 Donna,
 I work in higher Ed as well. I have noticed the same thing. I am getting 
 ready to start a new job, and when I asked for a Mac they thought I was 
 asking for something extravagant. That is, until I told them that jaws 
 would cost close to $1000 and therefore the cost would equal that of a 
 Mac. Then they were OK with it.
 Nancy
 
 Nancy Badger, Ph.D
 Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services UT Chattanooga Sent from my 
 iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.
 
> On Jun 16, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Microsoft also has the higher education market cornered.  Though many 
> individual faculty prefer to use Macs, every campus I've ever been on was 
> primarily a PC campus.  When we came to SIU I made a real push to try and 
> get them to move toward Mac, but the head of IT at the time was in bed 
> with some big wig at Dell, so SIU is Dell PCs pretty much exclusively.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 11:39 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, first, integrating Macs in to windows environments is very simple. 
>>  At least it has been in the examples I’ve seen which are fairly large 
>> rollouts.  Granted I don’t know how this was in the Leopard or Lion days 
>> but more recently the integration has been very good.
>> 
>> You could harden the devices to make them more kid proof than they are 
>> out of the box.  Depends on the over all budget though, generic PCs may 
>> well be the least expensive way to go.
>> 
>> Maybe it’s my industry then because I’m not seeing the use of Windows 
>> nearly as much.  You still see it on the administrative side, there’s 
>> usually large active directory farms and such but 

Mission Accomplished!

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Well unfortunately, I wasn't able to figure things out in time to get my two 
audio devices 
aggregated together, see my previous message.  I'm not saying it can't be done, 
as much as I got side tracked, and didn't have the chance to try.



This said, in general, the Skype call was a major major success!  I'd still be 
interested in knowing if this would work, for the future.  I'll have to try it 
out and see.



Anyway, thanks everyone for your help.

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Re: How Often Would I Need A Numb Pad

[Jonathan Cohn]

I have to disagree with Alex on the insert key functionality.

My system which I believe is default has insert-1 as next link insert -2 as 
previous link insert-3 as next-unvisited link
insert -4 as next header 
and insert -7 as next input field item.
Best wishes,
Jonathan

Best wishes,

Jonathan



> On 18 Jun 2016, at 20:46, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> You can't use the insert key as a screen reader modifier, only control/option 
> and caps lock. You can assign tons of commands to the num pad keys, but even 
> with that option open to me on my wired keyboard here, I never really use it. 
> I simply find it easier to have my commands on the main keyboard, where my 
> hands are anyway. This will be something each person feels differently about, 
> though, sort of like asking which is the best synthesizer out there.
>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 17:52, Arnold Schmidt > > wrote:
>> 
>> Not yet knowing a lot about using VoiceOver on a mac, do I need a keyboard 
>> with a numb pad very often?  I know it surely can be used without a numb 
>> pad, but, as with Jaws, is it easier to use with one?   The option of buying 
>> the wireless magic keyboard appeals to me, but I don't know how often I 
>> would wish I had the numb pad.  Thanks for any information.
>>  
>> Arnold Schmidt
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

[Jonathan Cohn]

I do have an app written in AppleScript that will hide the preview pain. I 
believe I have this up on my Dropbox, but I am not sure.

Take care,

Jonathan



> On 19 Jun 2016, at 11:39, matthew dyer  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> 
> One thing I wish they would do is make it easyer to remove the preview pain 
> in mail.  As it stands now, you have to drag the slider bar to the bottom of 
> the screen and for someone who doesn't use a mouse or track pad very often 
> this is a pain.
> 
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 06/19/2016 04:29 AM, Saqib Hussain wrote:
>> Hi. Thanks for the encouragement and I'm going to try a couple more episodes 
>> of the David Woodbridge podcasts today  The great Ausi is keeping me going.  
>> I'm going to tackle emails today  I have been doing a couple of podcasts 
>> every other day and this means I don't get too much information at one time
>> 
>>> On 18 Jun 2016, at 13:31, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Saqib,
>>> 
>>> Don't give up on learning the Mac.  I was in my forties when I got my first 
>>> Mac in 2009.  For about the first two months that I had it, I just wanted 
>>> to throw it at something.  But then at some point, everything just clicked, 
>>> and now I wouldn't go back for anything in the world.  You really will get 
>>> it, it just takes time.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Jun 18, 2016, at 3:29 AM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
 
 Hi. High percentage of people would generally use windows anyway and it 
 would make sense for them to continue to endorse windows  I bought a Mac 
 mini two weeks ago and I'm already starting to give up on it because my 
 40-year-old eaging brain can't cope with the new operating system and all 
 the commands that I have to  remember
 
> On 17 Jun 2016, at 11:19, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> It'sinteresting you guys are saying that your schools / colleges are 
> going for windows machines over macs due to price.
> 
> I work in tertiary education and we're finding a mix of this situation,
> 
> We the university are putting in windows based systems such as a citrix 
> managed desktop for students
> And giving students  Microsoft office 365 accounts for access to email 
> and cloud based services.
> 
> Yet we find that a major number over 50% now of students are coming to 
> university with mac books of one type or another as that is what their 
> high schools are recommending for them or selling them when they start 
> high school.
> 
> We find them more reliable and longer lasting when it comes to ware and 
> tear as well as keeping up to date with the OS versions Mac OS doesn’t 
> change as much as the windows environments
> 
> Yet our senior management teams only seem to want Microsoft products, 
> possibly because they do great deals for educational fascilities
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Badger
> Sent: Friday, 17 June 2016 2:06 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
> 
> Donna,
> I work in higher Ed as well. I have noticed the same thing. I am getting 
> ready to start a new job, and when I asked for a Mac they thought I was 
> asking for something extravagant. That is, until I told them that jaws 
> would cost close to $1000 and therefore the cost would equal that of a 
> Mac. Then they were OK with it.
> Nancy
> 
> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
> Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services UT Chattanooga Sent from my 
> iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.
> 
>> On Jun 16, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Microsoft also has the higher education market cornered.  Though many 
>> individual faculty prefer to use Macs, every campus I've ever been on 
>> was primarily a PC campus.  When we came to SIU I made a real push to 
>> try and get them to move toward Mac, but the head of IT at the time was 
>> in bed with some big wig at Dell, so SIU is Dell PCs pretty much 
>> exclusively.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 11:39 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, first, integrating Macs in to windows environments is very 
>>> simple.  At least it has been in the examples I’ve seen which are 
>>> fairly large rollouts.  Granted I don’t know how this was in the 
>>> Leopard or Lion days but more recently the integration has been very 
>>> good.
>>> 
>>> You could harden the devices to make them more kid proof than they are 
>>> out of the box.  Depends on the over all budget though, generic PCs may 
>>> well be the least expensive way to go.
>>> 
>>> Maybe it’s my industry then because I’m not seeing the use of Windows 
>>> nearly as much.  You still see it on 

Re: Mission Accomplished!

[michael babcock]

though i’ve never done it, i’m willing to bet that a app like  Loopback:
Enjoy cable-free audio routing on your Mac, with powerful virtual audio devices.
could make this happen if you don’t get it figured out in the future.
https://rogueamoeba.com/loopback/buy.php 

glad to here that call when well.
best.
Michael Babcock

> On Jun 19, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Well unfortunately, I wasn't able to figure things out in time to get my two 
> audio devices 
> aggregated together, see my previous message.  I'm not saying it can't be 
> done, as much as I got side tracked, and didn't have the chance to try.
>  
> This said, in general, the Skype call was a major major success!  I'd still 
> be interested in knowing if this would work, for the future.  I'll have to 
> try it out and see.
>  
> Anyway, thanks everyone for your help.
> ---
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>  
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Re: Very very urgent: Need help with audio input on my mac

[Ray Foret jr]

Oops, sorry.  At a loss what to tell you then.  However, if you should arrive 
at a solution, do let us know?


Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

> On Jun 19, 2016, at 1:37 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Actually, Ray, I use Core Audio all the time with Skype, and it works fine.
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>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Ray Foret jr 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 2:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: Very very urgent: Need help with audio input on my mac
>> 
>> Well, you can but try.  May I suggest you attempt the agrigation and then 
>> call the Skype test to see what’s what?  My guess is it will not work 
>> because the Skype API will not allow access to your core audio.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user! 
>> 
>>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Guys,
>>>  
>>> I have a sort of interesting situation going on here, and wanted to see if 
>>> anyone could shed some light on this before 3 PM eastern today, when I have 
>>> to do my Skype music lesson with my new student.
>>>  
>>> The thing is, she's wanting to have me help her with a few songs 
>>> specifically that she can't seem to figure out the chords to, and she's not 
>>> at a position where she can acquire sheet music, nor guitar tabs or the 
>>> like.  I really can't go into more than that, as I protect my studentss' 
>>> privacy, but anyway, here's the issue.
>>>  
>>> I have a 16 channel audio interface, which connects via USB to my mac.  The 
>>> problem is, with how my studio currently is designed, we're doing some 
>>> remodelling, so therefore for right now temporarily, I can't get my 
>>> microphone stand over near my digital piano.  It's gotta be all the way 
>>> across the room.
>>>  
>>> I have a USB microphone, but here is my question.  If I use two different 
>>> USB ports on my mac, one for the interface, and one for my USB microphone, 
>>> can I then combine the two devices into one?  I know that in audio/midi 
>>> setup under Utilities, I can create an aggregate device, which is great, 
>>> and trust me, I've done it many times before, but when doing so, it's 
>>> normally so I can combine the output of one device and the input of 
>>> another.  I've never tried taking the input of two devices, and combining 
>>> them into one.
>>>  
>>> Basically, what my objective in doing this is, is, I want to be able to use 
>>> that cheap little mike for now vbia USB to talk to this student, and have 
>>> it transmit my voice.  But then, I'd like to be able to patch my piano 
>>> directly into the input rather than miking it.  To do this though would 
>>> require that I connect a stereo audio patch cable from the line out of my 
>>> piano, to the red/white in on my interface.  That definitely would work, 
>>> but then, I can't plug the microphone into the interface, being it's USB, 
>>> and not XLR.  That's why I want to take the input from my interface, and 
>>> the input of the USB mike, and aggregate them both into one input device, 
>>> if that makes sense.
>>>  
>>> Yes, theoretically, if the mike is an issue, I could just use my IPhone 
>>> with the Skype app, but then I can't record the Skype call with Skhype Call 
>>> Recorder from Matthew Galligor, which she is wanting me to do.  It's not a 
>>> big deal if I can't get the piano patched directly.  It's not a show 
>>> stopper, but that said, it would really really be a very nice touch, and 
>>> definitely would increase my credibility of professionalism.  If I can 
>>> manage to get it aggregated, then I'll be in business.  The rest I know 
>>> exactly! how to configure.  I just don't know if you can combine two 
>>> inputs, or does it have to be one in, one out, at which point, that 
>>> wouldn't work in my scenareo.
>>>  
>>> Thank you for any help.
>>>  
>>> Chris.
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Working in iTunes 12.4

[E.T.]

   How does one select multiple items to add to a playlist? I need to 
recreate the playlists for Home Videos.


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9to5Mac: macOS Sierra beta lets Mac users rearrange third-party menu bar extras

[Nancy Badger]

macOS Sierra beta lets Mac users rearrange third-party menu bar extras
9to5Mac

It's been a pain-point for some Mac users for a while now: the inability to 
rearrange third-party menu bar extras. Sure, it's been possible to move around 
stock menu bar extras by simply holding the Command key while dragging the 
icon, but third-party icons are no longer off limits. Indeed, the macOS Sierra 
beta makes it possible... Read the full story


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Re: 9to5Mac: macOS Sierra beta lets Mac users rearrange third-party menu bar extras

[Kevin Chao]

WOnder how this is to be done with VoiceOver/keyboard?

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 7:22 PM Nancy Badger  wrote:

>
> *macOS Sierra beta lets Mac users rearrange third-party menu bar extras*
> 9to5Mac
>
> It's been a pain-point for some Mac users for a while now: the inability
> to rearrange third-party menu bar extras. Sure, it's been possible to move
> around stock menu bar extras by simply holding the Command key while
> dragging the icon, but third-party icons are no longer off limits. Indeed,
> the macOS Sierra beta makes it possible... Read the full story
> 
>
> Shared from Apple News 
>
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> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
> Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
> UT Chattanooga
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SMS forwarding does not work properly.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
For some reason sms forwarding does not work for me on my ipod touch or macbook 
air.
I don’t get any code to type into my iphone so it can be activated.
I have logged in and out from Icloud with all devices but so far no luck.
The Iphone is the Iphone SE and the ipod touch is the 5th gen.
The macbook air is a macbook from 2015.
This is really frustrating as it has worked before.
Any thoughts on this?
/A

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Re: SMS forwarding does not work properly.

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

No idea, sorry.  Just tried it on my iPod Touch running the latest beta, and it 
worked without a hitch, more or less.

Make sure you are actually connected to the net on both devices and that 
iMessage is on on both.

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RE: SMS forwarding does not work properly.

[M. Taylor]

Hello Anders,

I think you're on the right track.

Do the following in your attempt to enable iMessage forwarding:

1.
Sign out of all of your iMessage devices.  

2.
Just to be sure all is well, sign out of face time, also.

3.
Shut down all of your devices.

4.
Reboot your WiFi router.

5.
First, power on your MacBook Air, making certain that you are connected to the 
web.

6.
On the Macbook Air, be sure to be signed into iMessage, iCloud, and Face time.  
Also, make certain that you have the iMessage app open on your Desktop and that 
focus is placed on it.

7.
Now, power on your iPhone and sign into iMesage using the same Apple ID as you 
used on your Air.

8.
At this point, attempt to enable iMessage forwarding.  During this process, you 
will receive a 6 digit code on your Mac, which is to be entered on your phone.

Mark

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On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:27 PM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
Subject: SMS forwarding does not work properly.

Hi!
For some reason sms forwarding does not work for me on my ipod touch or macbook 
air.
I don’t get any code to type into my iphone so it can be activated.
I have logged in and out from Icloud with all devices but so far no luck.
The Iphone is the Iphone SE and the ipod touch is the 5th gen.
The macbook air is a macbook from 2015.
This is really frustrating as it has worked before.
Any thoughts on this?
/A

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