Re: odd but very frustrating problem

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Either connect your computer to the Internet using an Ethernet cable, or try 
changing the wireless channel of your router.  It sounds to me very much like 
interference between the frequencies used by your wireless network and your 
cordless headset.

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Re: iDevice names

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

You can do it in iTunes as well.  Interact with the device name near where the 
battery level is and click, and it becomes an edit field.  Now you can change 
it and press return.  Neat.

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Re: Request for Tips on Using Screen Sharing

[Jonathan Cohn]

There are several applications out there for doing this and each has its own 
features. Generally there are the web conferencing type solutions and the 
remote log in to my computer solutions.

For the Web Conferencing type solutions (I think even skype  has a version) you 
connect together each logging into the same conference ID. Then the sharing 
side clicks a share button and the display will appear in a browser window. 

Back to my Mac is an example of the other type of connection. In this case both 
connections login with the same account on a server. Essentially you register a 
computer with the service and then a background process is available. When you 
login to that service from a different computer it will list the computers 
currently listening on your account and you pick the one you want. At that 
point you take control of the system.

Also, in most cases the systems on either side of the connection don’t need to 
be running the same operating system.
con
Will you need Voiceover directed through the connection also?

Best wishes,

Jonathan



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Re: Signing into chrome.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Good for you then.
I stick with safari most of the time.
/A
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> On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 10:19 AM Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
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> One thing that doesn’t work with voiceover on google chrome is to sign into 
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> ENTER 
> If i open the settings and try to sign in the only thing i get is unknown.
> Odd, I'm not geting unknown 
> This is with the latest chrome and latest mac osX.
> I've tried with Chrome Stable V49 and Chrome Canary V51 with Mac OS X 10.9.5 
> and OS X 10.11.4 
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Re: Signing into chrome.

[Jeffrey Shockley]

Hi,
Another work around until this gets fixed by Google is to download an older 
version of Chrome, such as version 39 or something like that, install that one, 
use it to sign in, then, update back to the newest version. I just did this the 
other day since I couldn’t figure out the sign  in process either.
I hope this helps,
Jeffrey
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> Good for you then.
> I stick with safari most of the time.
> /A
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>> 
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>> On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 10:19 AM Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
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>> One thing that doesn’t work with voiceover on google chrome is to sign into 
>> chrome.
>> Chrome Menu > Sign-in Tab to email address > type email/password/2FA code > 
>> ENTER 
>> If i open the settings and try to sign in the only thing i get is unknown.
>> Odd, I'm not geting unknown 
>> This is with the latest chrome and latest mac osX.
>> I've tried with Chrome Stable V49 and Chrome Canary V51 with Mac OS X 10.9.5 
>> and OS X 10.11.4 
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El Capitan and VoiceOver.

[Sadam Ahmed]

Hi all,

I am wondering  to those of you who have installed El Capitan is it 
worth installing and have the bugs been squashed relating to VoiceOver 
in the current build?


One of the reasons I didn't jump to  put it on my machine was the 
horrible bugs when first released.


Any insight appreciated.

Yours respectfully,

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Re: El Capitan and VoiceOver.

[Carter Temm]

I use El Capitan daily on my macbook pro mid 2012 and it works just
fine. Of course their are occasional bugs, but that's expected. I'd
say go ahead and upgrade. Also, make a time machine backup if you can.
That way if you seriously hate it, you can downgrade. In my opinion
Yosemite was a horrible release, and El Capitan beets it by a long
shot.

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Re: El Capitan and VoiceOver.

[E.T.]

   Forgot this. When bringing up the app store, most times focus is 
lost and command tab to another app then back fixes it.


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On 4/7/2016 7:30 AM, Sadam Ahmed wrote:

Hi all,

I am wondering  to those of you who have installed El Capitan is it
worth installing and have the bugs been squashed relating to VoiceOver
in the current build?

One of the reasons I didn't jump to  put it on my machine was the
horrible bugs when first released.

Any insight appreciated.

Yours respectfully,

Sadam Ahmed




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Re: El Capitan and VoiceOver.

[E.T.]

   I just finished a clean install of El Capitan. I still have a bit of 
work to complete but here is what I see so far.


   VoiceOver will say “There is no item with keyboard focus”. This 
occurs fairly randomly, both in native Apple apps and third party apps. 
You lose focus of the app you were in.


   When I press VO m I get Finder busy. Same when I press VO m m I get 
status menu busy. Also in some areas system preferences busy.


   My biggest beef is speech and Bluetooth. Bluetooth headsets no 
longer connect reliably at startup. Sometimes will lose connectivity 
while working in apps.


   Sometimes speech goes into some nether area and cycling command f5 
brings it and the Bluetooth headset back, sometimes not. I see not 
consistent pattern.


   Sometimes speech will fade in and out and cycling command f5 does 
fix that.


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Hi all,

I am wondering  to those of you who have installed El Capitan is it
worth installing and have the bugs been squashed relating to VoiceOver
in the current build?

One of the reasons I didn't jump to  put it on my machine was the
horrible bugs when first released.

Any insight appreciated.

Yours respectfully,

Sadam Ahmed




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Re: El Capitan and VoiceOver.

[Sadam Ahmed]

I did actually  install it when it came out way back but hated the 
experience so reverted.


Thanks for the feedback.

Sadam Ahmed
On 4/8/2016 12:44 AM, Carter Temm wrote:

I use El Capitan daily on my macbook pro mid 2012 and it works just
fine. Of course their are occasional bugs, but that's expected. I'd
say go ahead and upgrade. Also, make a time machine backup if you can.
That way if you seriously hate it, you can downgrade. In my opinion
Yosemite was a horrible release, and El Capitan beets it by a long
shot.

On 4/7/16, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:

Hi all,

I am wondering  to those of you who have installed El Capitan is it
worth installing and have the bugs been squashed relating to VoiceOver
in the current build?

One of the reasons I didn't jump to  put it on my machine was the
horrible bugs when first released.

Any insight appreciated.

Yours respectfully,

Sadam Ahmed


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Re: El Capitan and VoiceOver.

[Sadam Ahmed]

Oh my goodness,  what a mess.

Think I'll stay put with my current workflow.

On 4/8/2016 1:27 AM, E.T. wrote:
Forgot this. When bringing up the app store, most times focus is lost 
and command tab to another app then back fixes it.


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Hi all,

I am wondering  to those of you who have installed El Capitan is it
worth installing and have the bugs been squashed relating to VoiceOver
in the current build?

One of the reasons I didn't jump to  put it on my machine was the
horrible bugs when first released.

Any insight appreciated.

Yours respectfully,

Sadam Ahmed






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Re: El Capitan and VoiceOver.

[Carter Temm]

another bug that I am aware of has to do with safari. When you are is
safari and command-tab to get to another app, it will sometimes keep
placing you in safari no matter what you do. It will also read the
text your cursor was on when you switched to another app. I don't know
the steps to reproduce this, as it only happens sometimes. But then,
it really annoying. The fix is to of course restart vo, but still

On 4/7/16, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
>
> Oh my goodness,  what a mess.
>
> Think I'll stay put with my current workflow.
>
> On 4/8/2016 1:27 AM, E.T. wrote:
>> Forgot this. When bringing up the app store, most times focus is lost
>> and command tab to another app then back fixes it.
>>
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>> On 4/7/2016 7:30 AM, Sadam Ahmed wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I am wondering  to those of you who have installed El Capitan is it
>>> worth installing and have the bugs been squashed relating to VoiceOver
>>> in the current build?
>>>
>>> One of the reasons I didn't jump to  put it on my machine was the
>>> horrible bugs when first released.
>>>
>>> Any insight appreciated.
>>>
>>> Yours respectfully,
>>>
>>> Sadam Ahmed
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: El Capitan and VoiceOver.

[Aleeha Dudley]

Really, honestly, it's not that bad. If you want a system without bugs, build 
it yourself because it just does not exist. I think you'll find it difficult to 
produce. Sighted people have bugs too. It's not just us. In my opinion, upgrade 
and deal with what comes. It's the only way the bugs will possibly get 
squashed. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 7, 2016, at 10:33, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
> 
> 
> Oh my goodness,  what a mess.
> 
> Think I'll stay put with my current workflow.
> 
>> On 4/8/2016 1:27 AM, E.T. wrote:
>> Forgot this. When bringing up the app store, most times focus is lost and 
>> command tab to another app then back fixes it.
>> 
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>>> On 4/7/2016 7:30 AM, Sadam Ahmed wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I am wondering  to those of you who have installed El Capitan is it
>>> worth installing and have the bugs been squashed relating to VoiceOver
>>> in the current build?
>>> 
>>> One of the reasons I didn't jump to  put it on my machine was the
>>> horrible bugs when first released.
>>> 
>>> Any insight appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Yours respectfully,
>>> 
>>> Sadam Ahmed
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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Re: El Capitan and VoiceOver.

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

As of El Capitan 10.11.4, I downgraded to Yosemite 10.10.5.  Yosemite has 
issues, but nothing like the nonsense in El Crap, which Apple are clearly never 
going to get around to fixing until macOS 12 gets released.  Activities and 
hotspots, which both matter to me, for example, are still buggered.  And, while 
some issues from Yosemite did get fixed, notably the substantially improved 
responsiveness of sounds and loss of position on a web page and the positioning 
of the cursor in Mail, I’m much more able to work around those than activities 
and hotspot issues.  Others have already mentioned other little things, like 
the focus issues in the stores and Safari text navigation.  As I have said 
before now on this list, I often appear to be surprised by how much nicer the 
experience of OS X is after you downgrade.  It’s a shame.

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Re: El Capitan and VoiceOver.

[Sadam Ahmed]

Thanks for the candid feedback. 

Sounds like El Capitan is a real productivity killer. 

I, too, downgraded after the initial install. 

Best regards, 

Sadam Ahmed 

LinkedIn: 

https://au.linkedin.com/in/sadam-ahmed-04121258 
 




> On 8 Apr 2016, at 2:47 am, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> As of El Capitan 10.11.4, I downgraded to Yosemite 10.10.5.  Yosemite has 
> issues, but nothing like the nonsense in El Crap, which Apple are clearly 
> never going to get around to fixing until macOS 12 gets released.  Activities 
> and hotspots, which both matter to me, for example, are still buggered.  And, 
> while some issues from Yosemite did get fixed, notably the substantially 
> improved responsiveness of sounds and loss of position on a web page and the 
> positioning of the cursor in Mail, I’m much more able to work around those 
> than activities and hotspot issues.  Others have already mentioned other 
> little things, like the focus issues in the stores and Safari text 
> navigation.  As I have said before now on this list, I often appear to be 
> surprised by how much nicer the experience of OS X is after you downgrade.  
> It’s a shame.
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Re: El Capitan and VoiceOver.

[E.T.]

   I don't think anyone is asking for the perfect OS, but asking for 
others' perspectives.


   "Its not that bad" is purely subjective. Its that bad if you must 
rely on hearing accurate feedback via Voiceover. This is not annoying, 
its beyond that.


   Now if you have solutions to the speech and Bluetooth issues I 
brought up, then it might really be "Its not that bad".


   Just remember, we each have different setups and needs and wants and 
experiences.


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On 4/7/2016 9:37 AM, Aleeha Dudley wrote:

Really, honestly, it's not that bad. If you want a system without bugs, build 
it yourself because it just does not exist. I think you'll find it difficult to 
produce. Sighted people have bugs too. It's not just us. In my opinion, upgrade 
and deal with what comes. It's the only way the bugs will possibly get squashed.

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 7, 2016, at 10:33, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:


Oh my goodness,  what a mess.

Think I'll stay put with my current workflow.


On 4/8/2016 1:27 AM, E.T. wrote:
Forgot this. When bringing up the app store, most times focus is lost and 
command tab to another app then back fixes it.

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On 4/7/2016 7:30 AM, Sadam Ahmed wrote:
Hi all,

I am wondering  to those of you who have installed El Capitan is it
worth installing and have the bugs been squashed relating to VoiceOver
in the current build?

One of the reasons I didn't jump to  put it on my machine was the
horrible bugs when first released.

Any insight appreciated.

Yours respectfully,

Sadam Ahmed






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Re: El Capitan and VoiceOver.

[Scott]

I didn’t read about your specific bluetooth or voice issues but personally I 
find El Capitan pretty stable and good although I do run the public betas.  
Right now though I’m on 10.11.4 like everyone else and not hating it.  But 
that’s me.  Others may have specific gripes that just aren’t in my usage model.


> On Apr 7, 2016, at 1:03 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   I don't think anyone is asking for the perfect OS, but asking for others' 
> perspectives.
> 
>   "Its not that bad" is purely subjective. Its that bad if you must rely on 
> hearing accurate feedback via Voiceover. This is not annoying, its beyond 
> that.
> 
>   Now if you have solutions to the speech and Bluetooth issues I brought up, 
> then it might really be "Its not that bad".
> 
>   Just remember, we each have different setups and needs and wants and 
> experiences.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 4/7/2016 9:37 AM, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
>> Really, honestly, it's not that bad. If you want a system without bugs, 
>> build it yourself because it just does not exist. I think you'll find it 
>> difficult to produce. Sighted people have bugs too. It's not just us. In my 
>> opinion, upgrade and deal with what comes. It's the only way the bugs will 
>> possibly get squashed.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 7, 2016, at 10:33, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Oh my goodness,  what a mess.
>>> 
>>> Think I'll stay put with my current workflow.
>>> 
 On 4/8/2016 1:27 AM, E.T. wrote:
 Forgot this. When bringing up the app store, most times focus is lost and 
 command tab to another app then back fixes it.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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> On 4/7/2016 7:30 AM, Sadam Ahmed wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I am wondering  to those of you who have installed El Capitan is it
> worth installing and have the bugs been squashed relating to VoiceOver
> in the current build?
> 
> One of the reasons I didn't jump to  put it on my machine was the
> horrible bugs when first released.
> 
> Any insight appreciated.
> 
> Yours respectfully,
> 
> Sadam Ahmed
> 
> 
 
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Re: El Capitan and VoiceOver.

[E.T.]

Scott,
   I have posted a time or two about these things. This is why I did a 
clean install, in the hopes of correcting many issues. I do not hate El 
Cap, I hate the aggravations. (smiles)


   The VO issues made setting up the clean install extremely painful at 
times.


   I looked into running diagnostics to test my hardware but for this 
model I have, it must use online diagnostics which I could not manage.


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On 4/7/2016 10:25 AM, Scott wrote:

I didn’t read about your specific bluetooth or voice issues but personally I 
find El Capitan pretty stable and good although I do run the public betas.  
Right now though I’m on 10.11.4 like everyone else and not hating it.  But 
that’s me.  Others may have specific gripes that just aren’t in my usage model.



On Apr 7, 2016, at 1:03 PM, E.T.  wrote:

   I don't think anyone is asking for the perfect OS, but asking for others' 
perspectives.

   "Its not that bad" is purely subjective. Its that bad if you must rely on 
hearing accurate feedback via Voiceover. This is not annoying, its beyond that.

   Now if you have solutions to the speech and Bluetooth issues I brought up, then it 
might really be "Its not that bad".

   Just remember, we each have different setups and needs and wants and 
experiences.

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On 4/7/2016 9:37 AM, Aleeha Dudley wrote:

Really, honestly, it's not that bad. If you want a system without bugs, build 
it yourself because it just does not exist. I think you'll find it difficult to 
produce. Sighted people have bugs too. It's not just us. In my opinion, upgrade 
and deal with what comes. It's the only way the bugs will possibly get squashed.

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 7, 2016, at 10:33, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:


Oh my goodness,  what a mess.

Think I'll stay put with my current workflow.


On 4/8/2016 1:27 AM, E.T. wrote:
Forgot this. When bringing up the app store, most times focus is lost and 
command tab to another app then back fixes it.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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On 4/7/2016 7:30 AM, Sadam Ahmed wrote:
Hi all,

I am wondering  to those of you who have installed El Capitan is it
worth installing and have the bugs been squashed relating to VoiceOver
in the current build?

One of the reasons I didn't jump to  put it on my machine was the
horrible bugs when first released.

Any insight appreciated.

Yours respectfully,

Sadam Ahmed






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Re: El Capitan and VoiceOver.

[Scott]

Interesting, I haven’t run in to these but this is probably do to hardware 
differences and I’m to dumb to know it’s not working correctly. lol

Either is possible.
> On Apr 7, 2016, at 1:36 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Scott,
>   I have posted a time or two about these things. This is why I did a clean 
> install, in the hopes of correcting many issues. I do not hate El Cap, I hate 
> the aggravations. (smiles)
> 
>   The VO issues made setting up the clean install extremely painful at times.
> 
>   I looked into running diagnostics to test my hardware but for this model I 
> have, it must use online diagnostics which I could not manage.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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> Many believe that we have been visited
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> On 4/7/2016 10:25 AM, Scott wrote:
>> I didn’t read about your specific bluetooth or voice issues but personally I 
>> find El Capitan pretty stable and good although I do run the public betas.  
>> Right now though I’m on 10.11.4 like everyone else and not hating it.  But 
>> that’s me.  Others may have specific gripes that just aren’t in my usage 
>> model.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 7, 2016, at 1:03 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>>   I don't think anyone is asking for the perfect OS, but asking for others' 
>>> perspectives.
>>> 
>>>   "Its not that bad" is purely subjective. Its that bad if you must rely on 
>>> hearing accurate feedback via Voiceover. This is not annoying, its beyond 
>>> that.
>>> 
>>>   Now if you have solutions to the speech and Bluetooth issues I brought 
>>> up, then it might really be "Its not that bad".
>>> 
>>>   Just remember, we each have different setups and needs and wants and 
>>> experiences.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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>>> On 4/7/2016 9:37 AM, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
 Really, honestly, it's not that bad. If you want a system without bugs, 
 build it yourself because it just does not exist. I think you'll find it 
 difficult to produce. Sighted people have bugs too. It's not just us. In 
 my opinion, upgrade and deal with what comes. It's the only way the bugs 
 will possibly get squashed.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Apr 7, 2016, at 10:33, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
> 
> 
> Oh my goodness,  what a mess.
> 
> Think I'll stay put with my current workflow.
> 
>> On 4/8/2016 1:27 AM, E.T. wrote:
>> Forgot this. When bringing up the app store, most times focus is lost 
>> and command tab to another app then back fixes it.
>> 
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>>> On 4/7/2016 7:30 AM, Sadam Ahmed wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I am wondering  to those of you who have installed El Capitan is it
>>> worth installing and have the bugs been squashed relating to VoiceOver
>>> in the current build?
>>> 
>>> One of the reasons I didn't jump to  put it on my machine was the
>>> horrible bugs when first released.
>>> 
>>> Any insight appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Yours respectfully,
>>> 
>>> Sadam Ahmed
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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Re: El Capitan and VoiceOver.

[E.T.]

   No more dumb than the rest of us. Or is that no less dumb? I dunno. Heh.

   Know anything about running diagnostics? I think I will shoot an 
email to Apple.


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On 4/7/2016 10:41 AM, Scott wrote:

Interesting, I haven’t run in to these but this is probably do to hardware 
differences and I’m to dumb to know it’s not working correctly. lol

Either is possible.

On Apr 7, 2016, at 1:36 PM, E.T.  wrote:

Scott,
   I have posted a time or two about these things. This is why I did a clean 
install, in the hopes of correcting many issues. I do not hate El Cap, I hate 
the aggravations. (smiles)

   The VO issues made setting up the clean install extremely painful at times.

   I looked into running diagnostics to test my hardware but for this model I 
have, it must use online diagnostics which I could not manage.

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On 4/7/2016 10:25 AM, Scott wrote:

I didn’t read about your specific bluetooth or voice issues but personally I 
find El Capitan pretty stable and good although I do run the public betas.  
Right now though I’m on 10.11.4 like everyone else and not hating it.  But 
that’s me.  Others may have specific gripes that just aren’t in my usage model.



On Apr 7, 2016, at 1:03 PM, E.T.  wrote:

   I don't think anyone is asking for the perfect OS, but asking for others' 
perspectives.

   "Its not that bad" is purely subjective. Its that bad if you must rely on 
hearing accurate feedback via Voiceover. This is not annoying, its beyond that.

   Now if you have solutions to the speech and Bluetooth issues I brought up, then it 
might really be "Its not that bad".

   Just remember, we each have different setups and needs and wants and 
experiences.

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On 4/7/2016 9:37 AM, Aleeha Dudley wrote:

Really, honestly, it's not that bad. If you want a system without bugs, build 
it yourself because it just does not exist. I think you'll find it difficult to 
produce. Sighted people have bugs too. It's not just us. In my opinion, upgrade 
and deal with what comes. It's the only way the bugs will possibly get squashed.

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 7, 2016, at 10:33, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:


Oh my goodness,  what a mess.

Think I'll stay put with my current workflow.


On 4/8/2016 1:27 AM, E.T. wrote:
Forgot this. When bringing up the app store, most times focus is lost and 
command tab to another app then back fixes it.

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On 4/7/2016 7:30 AM, Sadam Ahmed wrote:
Hi all,

I am wondering  to those of you who have installed El Capitan is it
worth installing and have the bugs been squashed relating to VoiceOver
in the current build?

One of the reasons I didn't jump to  put it on my machine was the
horrible bugs when first released.

Any insight appreciated.

Yours respectfully,

Sadam Ahmed






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Re: El Capitan and VoiceOver.

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

If you’re experiencing slowness directly after a completely clean install, try 
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Re: El Capitan and VoiceOver.

[E.T.]

   Have done that a time or two and just did it now. Had to restart the 
Mac after it booted. An issue I see on occasion is where I might be 
arrowing menu extras or desktop icons and VO will not speak alternate 
items. Example, speak A skip B speak C skip D and so on.


   The busy is still there too.

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Re: El Capitan and VoiceOver.

[Terje Strømberg]

No big problems with El Capitan here. Restart voice over occasionally. Normal 
vo comands in Safari. Have not learned hot spot. vo-i is often used in Safari. 
Sometimes i get busy in apps and Safari, but not often. Late 2012 iMac.

Its easy to use Time Machine backup. At least with Time Capsule backup. Make an 
El Capitan backup after clean install and tweaking voice over and apps before 
you get creative so you have one backup to clean the table.

Take care

> 7. apr. 2016 kl. 19.51 skrev E.T. :
> 
>   No more dumb than the rest of us. Or is that no less dumb? I dunno. Heh.
> 
>   Know anything about running diagnostics? I think I will shoot an email to 
> Apple.
> 
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> 
> On 4/7/2016 10:41 AM, Scott wrote:
>> Interesting, I haven’t run in to these but this is probably do to hardware 
>> differences and I’m to dumb to know it’s not working correctly. lol
>> 
>> Either is possible.
>>> On Apr 7, 2016, at 1:36 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Scott,
>>>   I have posted a time or two about these things. This is why I did a clean 
>>> install, in the hopes of correcting many issues. I do not hate El Cap, I 
>>> hate the aggravations. (smiles)
>>> 
>>>   The VO issues made setting up the clean install extremely painful at 
>>> times.
>>> 
>>>   I looked into running diagnostics to test my hardware but for this model 
>>> I have, it must use online diagnostics which I could not manage.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>> On 4/7/2016 10:25 AM, Scott wrote:
 I didn’t read about your specific bluetooth or voice issues but personally 
 I find El Capitan pretty stable and good although I do run the public 
 betas.  Right now though I’m on 10.11.4 like everyone else and not hating 
 it.  But that’s me.  Others may have specific gripes that just aren’t in 
 my usage model.
 
 
> On Apr 7, 2016, at 1:03 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   I don't think anyone is asking for the perfect OS, but asking for 
> others' perspectives.
> 
>   "Its not that bad" is purely subjective. Its that bad if you must rely 
> on hearing accurate feedback via Voiceover. This is not annoying, its 
> beyond that.
> 
>   Now if you have solutions to the speech and Bluetooth issues I brought 
> up, then it might really be "Its not that bad".
> 
>   Just remember, we each have different setups and needs and wants and 
> experiences.
> 
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> 
> On 4/7/2016 9:37 AM, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
>> Really, honestly, it's not that bad. If you want a system without bugs, 
>> build it yourself because it just does not exist. I think you'll find it 
>> difficult to produce. Sighted people have bugs too. It's not just us. In 
>> my opinion, upgrade and deal with what comes. It's the only way the bugs 
>> will possibly get squashed.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 7, 2016, at 10:33, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Oh my goodness,  what a mess.
>>> 
>>> Think I'll stay put with my current workflow.
>>> 
 On 4/8/2016 1:27 AM, E.T. wrote:
 Forgot this. When bringing up the app store, most times focus is lost 
 and command tab to another app then back fixes it.
 
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> On 4/7/2016 7:30 AM, Sadam Ahmed wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I am wondering  to those of you who have installed El Capitan is it
> worth installing and have the bugs been squashed relating to VoiceOver
> in the current build?
> 
> One of the reasons I didn't jump to  put it on my machine was the
> horrible bugs when first released.
> 
> Any insight appreciated.
> 
> Yours respectfully,
> 
> Sadam Ahmed
> 
> 
 
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Re: El Capitan and VoiceOver.

[Terje Strømberg]

i am thinking your clean install maybe is wrong i.e. you did not boot into the 
external install osx El Capitan. Just guessing. Erase McIntosh HD before 
install. Do not download from iCloud and do not log in before OSX is installed. 
Download each app one and one from payed apps in app store. Then first log in 
to iCloud. Just a thought.

Take care

> 7. apr. 2016 kl. 20.49 skrev E.T. :
> 
>   Have done that a time or two and just did it now. Had to restart the Mac 
> after it booted. An issue I see on occasion is where I might be arrowing menu 
> extras or desktop icons and VO will not speak alternate items. Example, speak 
> A skip B speak C skip D and so on.
> 
>   The busy is still there too.
> 
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> 
> On 4/7/2016 11:23 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
>> If you’re experiencing slowness directly after a completely clean install, 
>> try an NVRAM reset.  Press Command-Option-P-R and hold them as soon as you 
>> hear the chime at boot.  Keep held until you hear the chime at least twice 
>> in succession.
>> 
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Re: El Capitan and VoiceOver.

[Sadam Ahmed]

Thanks all for the feedback.  

El Capitan sounds like a big headache. 

I think I'll stay put with Yosemite.  Sadam Ahmed 

Sent from my iPhone 

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> On 8 Apr 2016, at 5:00 AM, Terje Strømberg  wrote:
> 
> i am thinking your clean install maybe is wrong i.e. you did not boot into 
> the external install osx El Capitan. Just guessing. Erase McIntosh HD before 
> install. Do not download from iCloud and do not log in before OSX is 
> installed. Download each app one and one from payed apps in app store. Then 
> first log in to iCloud. Just a thought.
> 
> Take care
> 
>> 7. apr. 2016 kl. 20.49 skrev E.T. :
>> 
>>  Have done that a time or two and just did it now. Had to restart the Mac 
>> after it booted. An issue I see on occasion is where I might be arrowing 
>> menu extras or desktop icons and VO will not speak alternate items. Example, 
>> speak A skip B speak C skip D and so on.
>> 
>>  The busy is still there too.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>>> On 4/7/2016 11:23 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
>>> If you’re experiencing slowness directly after a completely clean install, 
>>> try an NVRAM reset.  Press Command-Option-P-R and hold them as soon as you 
>>> hear the chime at boot.  Keep held until you hear the chime at least twice 
>>> in succession.
>>> 
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RE: Request for Tips on Using Screen Sharing

[M. Taylor]

Hello Jonathan,

Thank you so much for the help.

To answer your question< I use VoiceOver so I assume it needs to be running on 
both machines, right?  My primary goal will be to adjust the remote computer's 
system preferences, etc.  

For some reason, I thought that OS X offered a easy-to-use native utility for 
such endeavors.  

I would prefer to avoid using a third-party solution, if possible.

Unless there is a more native option, as far as I can tell, Back to my Mac will 
probably be my choice, I think (smile).

Mark

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Subject: Re: Request for Tips on Using Screen Sharing

There are several applications out there for doing this and each has its own 
features. Generally there are the web conferencing type solutions and the 
remote log in to my computer solutions.

For the Web Conferencing type solutions (I think even skype  has a version) you 
connect together each logging into the same conference ID. Then the sharing 
side clicks a share button and the display will appear in a browser window. 

Back to my Mac is an example of the other type of connection. In this case both 
connections login with the same account on a server. Essentially you register a 
computer with the service and then a background process is available. When you 
login to that service from a different computer it will list the computers 
currently listening on your account and you pick the one you want. At that 
point you take control of the system.

Also, in most cases the systems on either side of the connection don’t need to 
be running the same operating system.
con
Will you need Voiceover directed through the connection also?

Best wishes,

Jonathan



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> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I need to help a friend on a Mac halfway across the country.
> 
> I have researched screen sharing via Google but am having a difficult 
> time wrapping my mind around how it works.
> 
> I would greatly appreciate it if someone could outline the broad 
> strokes on how to set such a connection up and how to use it.
> 
> Both Macs will be running El Capitan.  
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mark
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Re: El Capitan and VoiceOver.

[E.T.]

   Did not do it wrong. I use DiskMaker X and booted from the USB 
installer it created. I actually disconnected all external drives so 
there was no mistakingly booting from the wrong drive.


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On 4/7/2016 12:00 PM, Terje Strømberg wrote:

i am thinking your clean install maybe is wrong i.e. you did not boot into the 
external install osx El Capitan. Just guessing. Erase McIntosh HD before 
install. Do not download from iCloud and do not log in before OSX is installed. 
Download each app one and one from payed apps in app store. Then first log in 
to iCloud. Just a thought.

Take care


7. apr. 2016 kl. 20.49 skrev E.T. :

   Have done that a time or two and just did it now. Had to restart the Mac 
after it booted. An issue I see on occasion is where I might be arrowing menu 
extras or desktop icons and VO will not speak alternate items. Example, speak A 
skip B speak C skip D and so on.

   The busy is still there too.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 4/7/2016 11:23 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:

If you’re experiencing slowness directly after a completely clean install, try 
an NVRAM reset.  Press Command-Option-P-R and hold them as soon as you hear the 
chime at boot.  Keep held until you hear the chime at least twice in succession.



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Re: El Capitan and VoiceOver.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Strange.
I just did a reinstall a clean one and for me things works like a charm.
I had problems at first because i never use the login screen but now i have 
learned that too.
Chrome is the only problem so far but its a small problem which doesn’t bother 
me much as safari works great on some pages and chrome on some.
/A
> On 07 Apr 2016, at 17:22, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   I just finished a clean install of El Capitan. I still have a bit of work 
> to complete but here is what I see so far.
> 
>   VoiceOver will say “There is no item with keyboard focus”. This occurs 
> fairly randomly, both in native Apple apps and third party apps. You lose 
> focus of the app you were in.
> 
>   When I press VO m I get Finder busy. Same when I press VO m m I get status 
> menu busy. Also in some areas system preferences busy.
> 
>   My biggest beef is speech and Bluetooth. Bluetooth headsets no longer 
> connect reliably at startup. Sometimes will lose connectivity while working 
> in apps.
> 
>   Sometimes speech goes into some nether area and cycling command f5 brings 
> it and the Bluetooth headset back, sometimes not. I see not consistent 
> pattern.
> 
>   Sometimes speech will fade in and out and cycling command f5 does fix that.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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> 
> On 4/7/2016 7:30 AM, Sadam Ahmed wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I am wondering  to those of you who have installed El Capitan is it
>> worth installing and have the bugs been squashed relating to VoiceOver
>> in the current build?
>> 
>> One of the reasons I didn't jump to  put it on my machine was the
>> horrible bugs when first released.
>> 
>> Any insight appreciated.
>> 
>> Yours respectfully,
>> 
>> Sadam Ahmed
>> 
>> 
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Re: El Capitan and VoiceOver.

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

You erased your internal drive before doing the install onto it?  If so then 
you’ve got a clean install.  If not, don’t forget to do that first with Disk 
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Re: El Capitan and VoiceOver.

[E.T.]

   I sure hope I did as that was the very first step after booting into 
the installer.


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Re: El Capitan and VoiceOver.

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Hi!
Twice?
On the support page it says once.
/A
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Re: El Capitan and VoiceOver.

[E.T.]

   Yes twice, just like it says in the message you pasted. (smiles)

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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On 4/7/2016 1:03 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
Twice?
On the support page it says once.
/A

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Chrome Support Ended for Mountain Lion and Earlier

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Remember, as of 1 April, Chrome is unsupported on Mountain Lion or Earlier, or 
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Re: Chrome Support Ended for Mountain Lion and Earlier

[Devin Prater]

Good. Maybe now Google can make Chromevox use the Mac's menu bars and such 
controls that are native to the Mac, because as of right now it can't access 
menus in Chrome.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: El Capitan and VoiceOver.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hi.

I like El Cap and don’t find it a head ache at all.  I don’t see many bugs 
either and if anything does go wrong, just turn voice over off and on by 
pressing Command F5.

It’s better than windows because I use windows every day and always have 
problems with my windows although it’s a work machine.  I’ll only say that at 
present, I can’t remove files from one directory to another and have to shut my 
work machine down each time I try.  Don’t have any of that crap on my Mac.  So 
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resolved even though I get technical help.  I get told that I’m working on a 
network and thus files moving to one directory to another is slow.  So each 
time I’m here at home, my experience on the Mac is unfrustrated and very 
peaceful if I can put it that way.  No problems with Jaws, just an easy 
experience with Voiceover.  Just what I think.

Kawal. 
> On 7 Apr 2016, at 21:07, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Yes twice, just like it says in the message you pasted. (smiles)
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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> On 4/7/2016 1:03 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>> Hi!
>> Twice?
>> On the support page it says once.
>> /A
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Re: El Capitan and VoiceOver.

[Devin Prater]

For me, El Capitan is pretty good... Gosh, Alex for iOS still can't say 
Capitan. Anyways, it works fine, besides a little business every once in a 
while.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 7, 2016, at 3:50 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> I like El Cap and don’t find it a head ache at all.  I don’t see many bugs 
> either and if anything does go wrong, just turn voice over off and on by 
> pressing Command F5.
> 
> It’s better than windows because I use windows every day and always have 
> problems with my windows although it’s a work machine.  I’ll only say that at 
> present, I can’t remove files from one directory to another and have to shut 
> my work machine down each time I try.  Don’t have any of that crap on my Mac. 
>  So if you are not satisfied, go and use a windows machine then you can have 
> crashes and so on as much as you like.  I’m not favouring the Mac or windows, 
> just saying that I get frustrated with windows as I never get my problem 
> resolved even though I get technical help.  I get told that I’m working on a 
> network and thus files moving to one directory to another is slow.  So each 
> time I’m here at home, my experience on the Mac is unfrustrated and very 
> peaceful if I can put it that way.  No problems with Jaws, just an easy 
> experience with Voiceover.  Just what I think.
> 
> Kawal. 
>> On 7 Apr 2016, at 21:07, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>   Yes twice, just like it says in the message you pasted. (smiles)
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
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>>> On 4/7/2016 1:03 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>> Twice?
>>> On the support page it says once.
>>> /A
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Re: El Capitan and VoiceOver.

[Sadam Ahmed]

Everyone has different workflows. 

As another list member has pointed out activities and using Safari where 
VoiceOver jumps all over the place in El Capitan is very painful.  

In comparison I find my BootCamp version of Windows 10 and JAWS 17 to be 
remarkably stable. 

Thanks for writing in. I do really appreciate the feedback. 

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> On 8 Apr 2016, at 6:50 am, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> I like El Cap and don’t find it a head ache at all.  I don’t see many bugs 
> either and if anything does go wrong, just turn voice over off and on by 
> pressing Command F5.
> 
> It’s better than windows because I use windows every day and always have 
> problems with my windows although it’s a work machine.  I’ll only say that at 
> present, I can’t remove files from one directory to another and have to shut 
> my work machine down each time I try.  Don’t have any of that crap on my Mac. 
>  So if you are not satisfied, go and use a windows machine then you can have 
> crashes and so on as much as you like.  I’m not favouring the Mac or windows, 
> just saying that I get frustrated with windows as I never get my problem 
> resolved even though I get technical help.  I get told that I’m working on a 
> network and thus files moving to one directory to another is slow.  So each 
> time I’m here at home, my experience on the Mac is unfrustrated and very 
> peaceful if I can put it that way.  No problems with Jaws, just an easy 
> experience with Voiceover.  Just what I think.
> 
> Kawal. 
>> On 7 Apr 2016, at 21:07, E.T. > > wrote:
>> 
>>   Yes twice, just like it says in the message you pasted. (smiles)
>> 
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>> On 4/7/2016 1:03 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
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>>> Twice?
>>> On the support page it says once.
>>> /A
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Re: El Capitan and VoiceOver.

[Scott]

My experience mirrors yours more closely I think.  I freshly installed from 
Crucial USB flash drive with out issue.  That in combination with SSD makes for 
a fairly speedy and clean install.  One thing once in a while I get stuck where 
it won’t read my status, a simple VO restart clears the issue.  That’s all I 
can think of.  Perfect, no but not bad from what I’ve run in  to.  Again like I 
said I may be to dumb to realize.  I have before and will freely admit now my 
understanding of computing is great through layer 4 and then all this 
application / presentation layer stuff just baffles me.  I suck at working with 
applications compared to many of my blind counterparts including some really 
sharp folks on this list but to be fair I sucked in JFW as well.:)  I get my 
self in to terminal or ssh in to the right place and then I’m productive.:)

> On Apr 7, 2016, at 3:57 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Strange.
> I just did a reinstall a clean one and for me things works like a charm.
> I had problems at first because i never use the login screen but now i have 
> learned that too.
> Chrome is the only problem so far but its a small problem which doesn’t 
> bother me much as safari works great on some pages and chrome on some.
> /A
>> On 07 Apr 2016, at 17:22, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  I just finished a clean install of El Capitan. I still have a bit of work 
>> to complete but here is what I see so far.
>> 
>>  VoiceOver will say “There is no item with keyboard focus”. This occurs 
>> fairly randomly, both in native Apple apps and third party apps. You lose 
>> focus of the app you were in.
>> 
>>  When I press VO m I get Finder busy. Same when I press VO m m I get status 
>> menu busy. Also in some areas system preferences busy.
>> 
>>  My biggest beef is speech and Bluetooth. Bluetooth headsets no longer 
>> connect reliably at startup. Sometimes will lose connectivity while working 
>> in apps.
>> 
>>  Sometimes speech goes into some nether area and cycling command f5 brings 
>> it and the Bluetooth headset back, sometimes not. I see not consistent 
>> pattern.
>> 
>>  Sometimes speech will fade in and out and cycling command f5 does fix that.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>> On 4/7/2016 7:30 AM, Sadam Ahmed wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I am wondering  to those of you who have installed El Capitan is it
>>> worth installing and have the bugs been squashed relating to VoiceOver
>>> in the current build?
>>> 
>>> One of the reasons I didn't jump to  put it on my machine was the
>>> horrible bugs when first released.
>>> 
>>> Any insight appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Yours respectfully,
>>> 
>>> Sadam Ahmed
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: El Capitan and VoiceOver.

[Scott]

You mean it just works.:)

And that is the apple way.  Or it was anyway.

That’s the hope then, .  My experience is like yours I still find El Capitan to 
be the worst named but smoother running of the OS X instances.  I’m thinking 
about it though and I wonder if my experience is colored by the fact I’m using 
such better hardware now than I was when running some of the previous versions. 
 I went from 2011 laptops to 2015 all with SSD and max memory so this may 
explain why I feel I’m fighting with my computer less when in fact I’m 
experiencing more bugs but my subjective experience is still better.


> On Apr 7, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> I like El Cap and don’t find it a head ache at all.  I don’t see many bugs 
> either and if anything does go wrong, just turn voice over off and on by 
> pressing Command F5.
> 
> It’s better than windows because I use windows every day and always have 
> problems with my windows although it’s a work machine.  I’ll only say that at 
> present, I can’t remove files from one directory to another and have to shut 
> my work machine down each time I try.  Don’t have any of that crap on my Mac. 
>  So if you are not satisfied, go and use a windows machine then you can have 
> crashes and so on as much as you like.  I’m not favouring the Mac or windows, 
> just saying that I get frustrated with windows as I never get my problem 
> resolved even though I get technical help.  I get told that I’m working on a 
> network and thus files moving to one directory to another is slow.  So each 
> time I’m here at home, my experience on the Mac is unfrustrated and very 
> peaceful if I can put it that way.  No problems with Jaws, just an easy 
> experience with Voiceover.  Just what I think.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 7 Apr 2016, at 21:07, E.T. > > wrote:
>> 
>>   Yes twice, just like it says in the message you pasted. (smiles)
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>> On 4/7/2016 1:03 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>> Twice?
>>> On the support page it says once.
>>> /A
 On 07 Apr 2016, at 20:23, Sabahattin Gucukoglu >>> > wrote:
 
 If you’re experiencing slowness directly after a completely clean install, 
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Re: El Capitan and VoiceOver.

[Scott]

And see, I was thinking of doing a youtube posting of me taking an HP Laptop 
running windows 10 with JFW to the firing range and putting a 308 (7.62MM X51) 
round right through the center.  I have had through out my life including now 
nothing but fear and loathing with Microsoft products with the exception of the 
Xbox line of products. (I wish that level of quality persisted through the rest 
of MS)  So we all have different experiences and like you said work flows.  JFW 
to me being an after thought to the OS has always been unstable.  But go with 
what works, I just thought it was interesting your experience was 180 degrees 
out of phase with mine when it came to windows.

On Apr 7, 2016, at 5:35 PM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
> 
> Everyone has different workflows.
> 
> As another list member has pointed out activities and using Safari where 
> VoiceOver jumps all over the place in El Capitan is very painful.
> 
> In comparison I find my BootCamp version of Windows 10 and JAWS 17 to be 
> remarkably stable.
> 
> Thanks for writing in. I do really appreciate the feedback.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Sadam Ahmed
> 
> LinkedIn:
> 
> https://au.linkedin.com/in/sadam-ahmed-04121258 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 8 Apr 2016, at 6:50 am, Kawal Gucukoglu > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> I like El Cap and don’t find it a head ache at all.  I don’t see many bugs 
>> either and if anything does go wrong, just turn voice over off and on by 
>> pressing Command F5.
>> 
>> It’s better than windows because I use windows every day and always have 
>> problems with my windows although it’s a work machine.  I’ll only say that 
>> at present, I can’t remove files from one directory to another and have to 
>> shut my work machine down each time I try.  Don’t have any of that crap on 
>> my Mac.  So if you are not satisfied, go and use a windows machine then you 
>> can have crashes and so on as much as you like.  I’m not favouring the Mac 
>> or windows, just saying that I get frustrated with windows as I never get my 
>> problem resolved even though I get technical help.  I get told that I’m 
>> working on a network and thus files moving to one directory to another is 
>> slow.  So each time I’m here at home, my experience on the Mac is 
>> unfrustrated and very peaceful if I can put it that way.  No problems with 
>> Jaws, just an easy experience with Voiceover.  Just what I think.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 7 Apr 2016, at 21:07, E.T. >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>   Yes twice, just like it says in the message you pasted. (smiles)
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>> On 4/7/2016 1:03 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
 Hi!
 Twice?
 On the support page it says once.
 /A
> On 07 Apr 2016, at 20:23, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  > wrote:
> 
> If you’re experiencing slowness directly after a completely clean 
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Re: Request for Tips on Using Screen Sharing

[Scott]

Mark, if you get this to work with voice over will you post a quick how too?  
We were talking about this on the blind sysadmins list and didn’t come up with 
a good solution.

Thanks

> On Apr 7, 2016, at 3:36 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Jonathan,
> 
> Thank you so much for the help.
> 
> To answer your question< I use VoiceOver so I assume it needs to be running 
> on both machines, right?  My primary goal will be to adjust the remote 
> computer's system preferences, etc.
> 
> For some reason, I thought that OS X offered a easy-to-use native utility for 
> such endeavors.
> 
> I would prefer to avoid using a third-party solution, if possible.
> 
> Unless there is a more native option, as far as I can tell, Back to my Mac 
> will probably be my choice, I think (smile).
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Request for Tips on Using Screen Sharing
> 
> There are several applications out there for doing this and each has its own 
> features. Generally there are the web conferencing type solutions and the 
> remote log in to my computer solutions.
> 
> For the Web Conferencing type solutions (I think even skype  has a version) 
> you connect together each logging into the same conference ID. Then the 
> sharing side clicks a share button and the display will appear in a browser 
> window.
> 
> Back to my Mac is an example of the other type of connection. In this case 
> both connections login with the same account on a server. Essentially you 
> register a computer with the service and then a background process is 
> available. When you login to that service from a different computer it will 
> list the computers currently listening on your account and you pick the one 
> you want. At that point you take control of the system.
> 
> Also, in most cases the systems on either side of the connection don’t need 
> to be running the same operating system.
> con
> Will you need Voiceover directed through the connection also?
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> 
>> On 7 Apr 2016, at 01:08, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> I need to help a friend on a Mac halfway across the country.
>> 
>> I have researched screen sharing via Google but am having a difficult
>> time wrapping my mind around how it works.
>> 
>> I would greatly appreciate it if someone could outline the broad
>> strokes on how to set such a connection up and how to use it.
>> 
>> Both Macs will be running El Capitan.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Mark
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Re: Request for Tips on Using Screen Sharing

[Scott]

Are any of these accessible with voice over from the controller / presenter’s 
point of view?


> On Apr 7, 2016, at 7:36 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> There are several applications out there for doing this and each has its own 
> features. Generally there are the web conferencing type solutions and the 
> remote log in to my computer solutions.
> 
> For the Web Conferencing type solutions (I think even skype  has a version) 
> you connect together each logging into the same conference ID. Then the 
> sharing side clicks a share button and the display will appear in a browser 
> window.
> 
> Back to my Mac is an example of the other type of connection. In this case 
> both connections login with the same account on a server. Essentially you 
> register a computer with the service and then a background process is 
> available. When you login to that service from a different computer it will 
> list the computers currently listening on your account and you pick the one 
> you want. At that point you take control of the system.
> 
> Also, in most cases the systems on either side of the connection don’t need 
> to be running the same operating system.
> con
> Will you need Voiceover directed through the connection also?
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> 
>> On 7 Apr 2016, at 01:08, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> I need to help a friend on a Mac halfway across the country.
>> 
>> I have researched screen sharing via Google but am having a difficult time
>> wrapping my mind around how it works.
>> 
>> I would greatly appreciate it if someone could outline the broad strokes on
>> how to set such a connection up and how to use it.
>> 
>> Both Macs will be running El Capitan.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Mark
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Re: Perhaps I'm not as teky as the rest of you but...

[Scott]

Wow, if I could only put one of these on my money, mind or time we’d be good.:)

This sounds like a good idea for all sorts of small things form keys to glasses.

Cool and thank you for taking the time to point me in the right direction.

> On Apr 6, 2016, at 11:41 AM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> 
> Scott,
> 
> I think the web site to learn more about tiles is www.findmytile.com or get 
> mytile.com
> 
> Tiles are low power bluetooth enabled plastic squares with a hole for 
> attaching to a keyring, lanyard or other type device. They have a small 
> battery which the manufacturer says will last about 18 months.
> 
> Using the phone or Watch app, you set up a Tile for any object you want, 
> attach the Tile to it and then when you want to find it, choose it on the app 
> and tap the Find  button. The Tile will emit a tune until you turn it off via 
> the app.
> 
> I have 4 of these deployed throughout our house. My husband’s phone, my and 
> his keys and a 64gb thumb drive all have Tiles. we tried putting one on the 
> garage door opener but couldn’t get it to stay, no matter how I fastened it. 
> They really do need a lanyard or keyring. I suppose you could also use double 
> sided tape if it wasn’t outside.
> 
> there are other types of these things and I believe you can find them by 
> looking for bluetooth+locators. I bought mine on amazon which is slightly 
> less expensive than the tile web site. Also, if you download the app, the web 
> site is listed there.
> 
> HTH
> Jenine Stanley
> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 6, 2016, at 11:34 AM, Scott  wrote:
>> 
>> Just a note that Apple Pay works a lot more places than advertises, same can 
>> be said for Android pay.
>> 
>> Walmart for example officially will not take Apple Pay but it does work.  My 
>> Dentist even advertises having it available now and specifically had it 
>> enabled with his new POS system.
>> 
>> If I might ask, what are tiles?  I’m googling but learning more about floor 
>> coverings than anything bluetooth enabled.
>> 
>> Thank you
>> 
>>> On Apr 6, 2016, at 11:27 AM, Jenine Stanley  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’d try the nylon weave band if the sport band bothered your skin. I was 
>>> surprised it didn’t bother mine. The nylon bands are very comfortable and 
>>> can be adjusted more easily to fit a larger variety of wrist sizes. They 
>>> also come in a range of colors.
>>> 
>>> I haven’t tried the boarding pass thing yet and sadly I’ve only found 1 
>>> place that took Apple Pay and that was a Best Buy store. I love it when 
>>> it’s available. What app do you use to do the boarding pass?
>>> 
>>> I have the Tile app and Tiles and love them. Yes, the app on the Watch is 
>>> much easier to use. In the phone app, go to the Map button in the lower 
>>> right corner of the main screen. Tapping on this takes you to a screen 
>>> where your tiles are shown by the names you give them when you set them up. 
>>> Unfortunately, VO and this list don’t play well so you might tap on one and 
>>> see in the next screen that you’re dealing with another tile.
>>> 
>>> The Watch does not have this issue at all and it’s easy to find the tile 
>>> you want to trigger. I have it as a glance now.
>>> 
>>> I also use mine for medication reminders and the app Due for other kinds of 
>>> reminders, especially recurring or long term ones.
>>> Jenine Stanley
>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 6, 2016, at 9:53 AM, Mika Pyyhkala  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I got the Apple watch sport with the sort of rubberized band, but I
 find the band irritates my wrist a little bit; so I want to try
 another band.
 
 The coolest thing I do with the watch is the ApplePay on JetBlue as
 they accept it on flights.  I had thought the watch would work well as
 a boarding pass, but the phone is a lot easdier to orient at TSA & at
 the gate.
 
 I think it is cool also how it can track your pulse and that may be
 helpful when working out.
 
 Also at CSUN I heard how the Tile app (an app for tracking Bluetooth
 tiles that you use to find objects like keys or a wallet) is more
 accessible on the watch than the iPhone.  Basically on the iPhone it
 announces an unlabeled element for each tile where as I am told on the
 watch it properly announces the name of each tile like wallet, keys,
 back pack, etc.
 
 Finally I like seeing my next meeting readily available right on the
 home screen of the watch, and I agree the complications could be cool.
 
 That being said I have not worn the watch for a month or so again
 probably because of the issue with the band but I want to get back in
 to it again!
 
 Best,
 Mika Pyyhkala
 @pyyhkala
 
 On 4/6/16, Scott  wrote:
> I like that as well and I also like you can edit the complications that
> appear on each face.  Very cool and cool how new applications add new
> complications.
>>>

Re: Request for Tips on Using Screen Sharing

[Carter Temm]

Currently, you can't pass audio from one machine to another using built in 
screen sharing. In the past, I've had friends call me on Skype or services like 
that and use an application such as soundflower or loopback to route audio. 
Sounds really tedious, right? But that's the only thing I know to get this to 
work

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 7, 2016, at 9:42 AM, Scott  wrote:
> 
> Are any of these accessible with voice over from the controller / presenter’s 
> point of view?
> 
> 
>> On Apr 7, 2016, at 7:36 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> There are several applications out there for doing this and each has its own 
>> features. Generally there are the web conferencing type solutions and the 
>> remote log in to my computer solutions.
>> 
>> For the Web Conferencing type solutions (I think even skype  has a version) 
>> you connect together each logging into the same conference ID. Then the 
>> sharing side clicks a share button and the display will appear in a browser 
>> window.
>> 
>> Back to my Mac is an example of the other type of connection. In this case 
>> both connections login with the same account on a server. Essentially you 
>> register a computer with the service and then a background process is 
>> available. When you login to that service from a different computer it will 
>> list the computers currently listening on your account and you pick the one 
>> you want. At that point you take control of the system.
>> 
>> Also, in most cases the systems on either side of the connection don’t need 
>> to be running the same operating system.
>> con
>> Will you need Voiceover directed through the connection also?
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7 Apr 2016, at 01:08, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> I need to help a friend on a Mac halfway across the country.
>>> 
>>> I have researched screen sharing via Google but am having a difficult time
>>> wrapping my mind around how it works.
>>> 
>>> I would greatly appreciate it if someone could outline the broad strokes on
>>> how to set such a connection up and how to use it.
>>> 
>>> Both Macs will be running El Capitan.
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> 
>>> Mark
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Re: Request for Tips on Using Screen Sharing

[Seyoon Choi]

It’s pretty much doing what FaceTime does when you get on a call on your mac. 
It isolates any other audio to optimize audio quality when using screen sharing 
session. I wish Apple would allow you to hear other ends of the computer(s) for 
VO instants.

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> On Apr 7, 2016, at 8:34 PM, Carter Temm  wrote:
> 
> Currently, you can't pass audio from one machine to another using built in 
> screen sharing. In the past, I've had friends call me on Skype or services 
> like that and use an application such as soundflower or loopback to route 
> audio. Sounds really tedious, right? But that's the only thing I know to get 
> this to work
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 7, 2016, at 9:42 AM, Scott  wrote:
>> 
>> Are any of these accessible with voice over from the controller / 
>> presenter’s point of view?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 7, 2016, at 7:36 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> There are several applications out there for doing this and each has its 
>>> own features. Generally there are the web conferencing type solutions and 
>>> the remote log in to my computer solutions.
>>> 
>>> For the Web Conferencing type solutions (I think even skype  has a version) 
>>> you connect together each logging into the same conference ID. Then the 
>>> sharing side clicks a share button and the display will appear in a browser 
>>> window.
>>> 
>>> Back to my Mac is an example of the other type of connection. In this case 
>>> both connections login with the same account on a server. Essentially you 
>>> register a computer with the service and then a background process is 
>>> available. When you login to that service from a different computer it will 
>>> list the computers currently listening on your account and you pick the one 
>>> you want. At that point you take control of the system.
>>> 
>>> Also, in most cases the systems on either side of the connection don’t need 
>>> to be running the same operating system.
>>> con
>>> Will you need Voiceover directed through the connection also?
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 7 Apr 2016, at 01:08, M. Taylor  wrote:
 
 Hello Everyone,
 
 I need to help a friend on a Mac halfway across the country.
 
 I have researched screen sharing via Google but am having a difficult time
 wrapping my mind around how it works.
 
 I would greatly appreciate it if someone could outline the broad strokes on
 how to set such a connection up and how to use it.
 
 Both Macs will be running El Capitan.
 
 Thank you,
 
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Re: Request for Tips on Using Screen Sharing

[Kevin Chao]

hangouts.google.com has screen sharing and VoiceOVEr is transmitted, which
is great for demos.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 6:41 PM Seyoon Choi  wrote:

> It’s pretty much doing what FaceTime does when you get on a call on your
> mac. It isolates any other audio to optimize audio quality when using
> screen sharing session. I wish Apple would allow you to hear other ends of
> the computer(s) for VO instants.
>
> Seyoon Choi
> syc20...@gmail.com
> YouTube Video Content Producer
> Blindinsider
> www.blindinsider.com
> Technology news, podcasts, videos and lifestyle for blind and visually
> impaired
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/blindinsider
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>
> On Apr 7, 2016, at 8:34 PM, Carter Temm  wrote:
>
> Currently, you can't pass audio from one machine to another using built in
> screen sharing. In the past, I've had friends call me on Skype or services
> like that and use an application such as soundflower or loopback to route
> audio. Sounds really tedious, right? But that's the only thing I know to
> get this to work
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 7, 2016, at 9:42 AM, Scott  wrote:
>
> Are any of these accessible with voice over from the controller /
> presenter’s point of view?
>
>
> On Apr 7, 2016, at 7:36 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>
> There are several applications out there for doing this and each has its
> own features. Generally there are the web conferencing type solutions and
> the remote log in to my computer solutions.
>
> For the Web Conferencing type solutions (I think even skype  has a
> version) you connect together each logging into the same conference ID.
> Then the sharing side clicks a share button and the display will appear in
> a browser window.
>
> Back to my Mac is an example of the other type of connection. In this case
> both connections login with the same account on a server. Essentially you
> register a computer with the service and then a background process is
> available. When you login to that service from a different computer it will
> list the computers currently listening on your account and you pick the one
> you want. At that point you take control of the system.
>
> Also, in most cases the systems on either side of the connection don’t
> need to be running the same operating system.
> con
> Will you need Voiceover directed through the connection also?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
> On 7 Apr 2016, at 01:08, M. Taylor  wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I need to help a friend on a Mac halfway across the country.
>
> I have researched screen sharing via Google but am having a difficult time
> wrapping my mind around how it works.
>
> I would greatly appreciate it if someone could outline the broad strokes on
> how to set such a connection up and how to use it.
>
> Both Macs will be running El Capitan.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Mark
>
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Re: Signing into chrome.

[Kevin Chao]

It's fixed in Canary, so why not use latest that has the latest in
accessibility, performance, security, stability ,etc. It's never a good
idea to use older versions of browsers, especially at least 10 versions old
as it's a significant risk in security, stability, etc.
https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/canary.html


On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 7:12 AM Jeffrey Shockley 
wrote:

> Hi,
> Another work around until this gets fixed by Google is to download an
> older version of Chrome, such as version 39 or something like that, install
> that one, use it to sign in, then, update back to the newest version. I
> just did this the other day since I couldn’t figure out the sign  in
> process either.
> I hope this helps,
> Jeffrey
>
> On Apr 7, 2016, at 9:51 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>
> Hi!
> Good for you then.
> I stick with safari most of the time.
> /A
>
> On 07 Apr 2016, at 04:41, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 10:19 AM Anders Holmberg 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>> One thing that doesn’t work with voiceover on google chrome is to sign
>> into chrome.
>>
> Chrome Menu > Sign-in Tab to email address > type email/password/2FA code
> > ENTER
>
>> If i open the settings and try to sign in the only thing i get is unknown.
>>
> Odd, I'm not geting unknown
>
>> This is with the latest chrome and latest mac osX.
>>
> I've tried with Chrome Stable V49 and Chrome Canary V51 with Mac OS X
> 10.9.5 and OS X 10.11.4
>
>> /A
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Re: Request for Tips on Using Screen Sharing

[Jonathan Cohn]

There is a blind sysadmin list ?? I could have used that four  years ago. 


Best wishes,

Jonathan



> On 7 Apr 2016, at 18:02, Scott  wrote:
> 
> Mark, if you get this to work with voice over will you post a quick how too?  
> We were talking about this on the blind sysadmins list and didn’t come up 
> with a good solution.
> 
> Thanks
> 
>> On Apr 7, 2016, at 3:36 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Jonathan,
>> 
>> Thank you so much for the help.
>> 
>> To answer your question< I use VoiceOver so I assume it needs to be running 
>> on both machines, right?  My primary goal will be to adjust the remote 
>> computer's system preferences, etc.
>> 
>> For some reason, I thought that OS X offered a easy-to-use native utility 
>> for such endeavors.
>> 
>> I would prefer to avoid using a third-party solution, if possible.
>> 
>> Unless there is a more native option, as far as I can tell, Back to my Mac 
>> will probably be my choice, I think (smile).
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
>> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 4:37 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Request for Tips on Using Screen Sharing
>> 
>> There are several applications out there for doing this and each has its own 
>> features. Generally there are the web conferencing type solutions and the 
>> remote log in to my computer solutions.
>> 
>> For the Web Conferencing type solutions (I think even skype  has a version) 
>> you connect together each logging into the same conference ID. Then the 
>> sharing side clicks a share button and the display will appear in a browser 
>> window.
>> 
>> Back to my Mac is an example of the other type of connection. In this case 
>> both connections login with the same account on a server. Essentially you 
>> register a computer with the service and then a background process is 
>> available. When you login to that service from a different computer it will 
>> list the computers currently listening on your account and you pick the one 
>> you want. At that point you take control of the system.
>> 
>> Also, in most cases the systems on either side of the connection don’t need 
>> to be running the same operating system.
>> con
>> Will you need Voiceover directed through the connection also?
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7 Apr 2016, at 01:08, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> I need to help a friend on a Mac halfway across the country.
>>> 
>>> I have researched screen sharing via Google but am having a difficult
>>> time wrapping my mind around how it works.
>>> 
>>> I would greatly appreciate it if someone could outline the broad
>>> strokes on how to set such a connection up and how to use it.
>>> 
>>> Both Macs will be running El Capitan.
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
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win10 bootcamp, mac hd partition not showing up

[Juan Hernandez]

Hi All,

 

On my MacBook Pro, I have windows 10 in a bootcamp.  There I cansee the 
Macintosh HD partition and can get files from it.  On my iMac, same setup, 
win10 on bootcamp, I can’t seem to find my Macintosh HD partition.  Does anyone 
have any ideas?  


Best,

 

Juan 

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