Re: Steps when concerned about a security threat

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hi.

May be Apple put Virus anti software in their next version of the Operating 
system?

On 12 Feb 2016, at 13:54, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Tracy, I think you’re good, you made all the right moves.  Clearing out 
> safari should do the trick.  Because you didn’t click on anything you 
> probably saved yourself a lot of headaches.
> 
> 
>> On Feb 11, 2016, at 6:46 PM, Traci Duncan > > wrote:
>> 
>> When I opened Safari back up the same controlling pop ups appeared.  I was 
>> able to force quit the app.  I ran another scan, which came up clean.  I 
>> even scanned the Safari app.
>> 
>> After doing some Googling, I held down shift while launching Safari from the 
>> doc.  Safari opened like normal & I cleared history & all website data.
>> 
>> Is there anything else I can do to know if there are embedded malware files 
>> in my system?
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Traci
>> 
>>> On Feb 11, 2016, at 3:26 PM, Ray Foret Jr >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Most likely, you ran across a piece of web malware which, had you attempted 
>>> to interact with it, it would have infected your system.  YOu seem to have 
>>> taken the correct action.  I myself was hit by such an  attempt not too 
>>> long ago.  When I clicked on a site, I heard a very loud 1KHZ tone and got 
>>> an alert message saying that because of a third party application, my unit 
>>> was infected and to call a number to get help.  Of course, I knew better 
>>> and was able to get out of it.  Seems to me there's more and more of this 
>>> stuff popping up every day.
>>> 
>>> Good for you for taking the action you did.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>> 
>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>>> iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
 On Feb 11, 2016, at 5:14 PM, Traci Duncan >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Okay, this is a first for me on my Mac.  I went to the site IX Converter 
 .com to convert a video, and all sorts of pop ups appeared when I clicked 
 convert.  I could not get out of them.  An audible message kept repeating 
 about a security threat & call this number.
 
 I forced shutdown my Mac, waited a minute, then started it back up.  I 
 opened ClamXav, updated definitions & ran a scan.  I don’t know the ins & 
 outs of this app, so not sure how thorough the scan was, but it came up 
 clean.
 
 Do y’all have further suggestions to ease my mine.  I’ve never had a 
 security thing like this on my Mac.  *A little freaked out.  ;)
 
 Thanks so much,
 Traci
 PS. I’m a big user of keychain across my devices, so that may raise 
 another security vulnerability. 
 
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Re: HOW ARE YOU

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Uh, fine?  What can we do for you, sir?

Chris.

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How to activate a link in a tweet?

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi,

I'm very new to Twitter.  I see that sometimes links to articles or files are 
posted in a tweet.  But how do I activate them or copy them using Voiceover on 
my mac, iOS?  What's the most accessible Twitter app on the iPhone?

Many thanks,

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Re: How to activate a link in a tweet?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Tweetlist Pro is wonderful for I O S.

As for the mac, use Syrinx, no, just kidding.  Sorry, I couldn't resist. 
LOL!


Being totally serious though, there is an app called Night owl, not joking 
around.  The app was formerally called YoruFukurou.


At least in Night Owl, when sitting on the tweet with the link, simply press 
the L key.


I'd also very strongly encourage you to check out the native Twitter app for 
the mac.  It has very recently become extremely extremely accessible.


Chris.

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Subject: How to activate a link in a tweet?



Hi,

I'm very new to Twitter.  I see that sometimes links to articles or files 
are posted in a tweet.  But how do I activate them or copy them using 
Voiceover on my mac, iOS?  What's the most accessible Twitter app on the 
iPhone?


Many thanks,

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Re: How to activate a link in a tweet?

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi Chris,

Thanks for your suggestions.  I have started using Twitter.app for mac but I 
don't seem to be able to activate links in a tweet, that's why I'm asking 
whether there is a trick to it.

Thanks

Andrew
> On 14 Feb 2016, at 11:11, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Tweetlist Pro is wonderful for I O S.
> 
> As for the mac, use Syrinx, no, just kidding.  Sorry, I couldn't resist. LOL!
> 
> Being totally serious though, there is an app called Night owl, not joking 
> around.  The app was formerally called YoruFukurou.
> 
> At least in Night Owl, when sitting on the tweet with the link, simply press 
> the L key.
> 
> I'd also very strongly encourage you to check out the native Twitter app for 
> the mac.  It has very recently become extremely extremely accessible.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Andrew Lamanche" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 6:02 AM
> Subject: How to activate a link in a tweet?
> 
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I'm very new to Twitter.  I see that sometimes links to articles or files 
>> are posted in a tweet.  But how do I activate them or copy them using 
>> Voiceover on my mac, iOS?  What's the most accessible Twitter app on the 
>> iPhone?
>> 
>> Many thanks,
>> 
>> Andrew
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Re: How to activate a link in a tweet?

[Krister Ekstrom]

I too like the native twitter app for MacOs, only thing that i haven’t figured 
out as of yet is how to mute certain hash tags/users/tweets. Does anyone know 
how this is done in the native twitter app?
/Krister

> 14 feb. 2016 kl. 12:11 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland :
> 
> Tweetlist Pro is wonderful for I O S.
> 
> As for the mac, use Syrinx, no, just kidding.  Sorry, I couldn't resist. LOL!
> 
> Being totally serious though, there is an app called Night owl, not joking 
> around.  The app was formerally called YoruFukurou.
> 
> At least in Night Owl, when sitting on the tweet with the link, simply press 
> the L key.
> 
> I'd also very strongly encourage you to check out the native Twitter app for 
> the mac.  It has very recently become extremely extremely accessible.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Andrew Lamanche" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 6:02 AM
> Subject: How to activate a link in a tweet?
> 
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I'm very new to Twitter.  I see that sometimes links to articles or files 
>> are posted in a tweet.  But how do I activate them or copy them using 
>> Voiceover on my mac, iOS?  What's the most accessible Twitter app on the 
>> iPhone?
>> 
>> Many thanks,
>> 
>> Andrew
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Re: How to activate a link in a tweet?

[Krister Ekstrom]

To activate a link in a tweet, do the following:
When on the tweet with a link you want to follow, option+right arrow. This 
brings up a menu with some choices. You can go to a users profile, see the 
details of a tweet, (for nightowl users this is similar to conversation mode) 
and see the url of a link. VO+down arrow to the web page address and hit 
vo+spacebar on it and it will open the address in Safari for you.
Hope this helps.
/Krister

> 14 feb. 2016 kl. 12:53 skrev Andrew Lamanche :
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> Thanks for your suggestions.  I have started using Twitter.app for mac but I 
> don't seem to be able to activate links in a tweet, that's why I'm asking 
> whether there is a trick to it.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Andrew
>> On 14 Feb 2016, at 11:11, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Tweetlist Pro is wonderful for I O S.
>> 
>> As for the mac, use Syrinx, no, just kidding.  Sorry, I couldn't resist. LOL!
>> 
>> Being totally serious though, there is an app called Night owl, not joking 
>> around.  The app was formerally called YoruFukurou.
>> 
>> At least in Night Owl, when sitting on the tweet with the link, simply press 
>> the L key.
>> 
>> I'd also very strongly encourage you to check out the native Twitter app for 
>> the mac.  It has very recently become extremely extremely accessible.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Andrew Lamanche" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 6:02 AM
>> Subject: How to activate a link in a tweet?
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I'm very new to Twitter.  I see that sometimes links to articles or files 
>>> are posted in a tweet.  But how do I activate them or copy them using 
>>> Voiceover on my mac, iOS?  What's the most accessible Twitter app on the 
>>> iPhone?
>>> 
>>> Many thanks,
>>> 
>>> Andrew
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Re: How to activate a link in a tweet?

[Jeffrey Shockley]

Hi,
As far as activating links goes, what you do, is find the tweet with the link 
you want to click on in the table, and press Option Rightarrow on it. A menu 
will come up, and then, you arrow down to the link, and press Return. I learned 
this from an AppleVis podcast  that was released recently about the native 
Twitter app for Mac. It took me a while to figure this trick out as well.
I hope this helps,
Jeffrey
> On Feb 14, 2016, at 6:53 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> Thanks for your suggestions.  I have started using Twitter.app for mac but I 
> don't seem to be able to activate links in a tweet, that's why I'm asking 
> whether there is a trick to it.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Andrew
>> On 14 Feb 2016, at 11:11, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Tweetlist Pro is wonderful for I O S.
>> 
>> As for the mac, use Syrinx, no, just kidding.  Sorry, I couldn't resist. LOL!
>> 
>> Being totally serious though, there is an app called Night owl, not joking 
>> around.  The app was formerally called YoruFukurou.
>> 
>> At least in Night Owl, when sitting on the tweet with the link, simply press 
>> the L key.
>> 
>> I'd also very strongly encourage you to check out the native Twitter app for 
>> the mac.  It has very recently become extremely extremely accessible.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Andrew Lamanche" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 6:02 AM
>> Subject: How to activate a link in a tweet?
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I'm very new to Twitter.  I see that sometimes links to articles or files 
>>> are posted in a tweet.  But how do I activate them or copy them using 
>>> Voiceover on my mac, iOS?  What's the most accessible Twitter app on the 
>>> iPhone?
>>> 
>>> Many thanks,
>>> 
>>> Andrew
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Re: verifying time-machine backus on a remote (nas)drive

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

To verify a networked Time Machine backup, just open the Time Machine menu 
extra as usual (VO-MM and move left/right to select Time Machine, then press 
space), use VO-down to select Back Up Now, let up on the VO keys, and hold down 
the Option key on its own.  The option changes to “Verify Backups”.  Keep 
holding Option while you press Return/Enter.  Go back to the menu extras and 
select Time Machine again to see that it is now doing the verification, and its 
status.

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Re: Carbon Copy Cloner or SuperDuper! for El Capitan?

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

When I last looked, CCC could back up the "Recovery HD” partition, where 
SuperDuper could not.  I don’t see this as a particularly big deal, since you 
generally already have a working Recovery HD when you do your restore, but it’s 
worth mentioning all the same.

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Re: Carbon Copy Cloner or SuperDuper! for El Capitan?

[Mike Arrigo]

Both programs will work, I use carbon copy cloner myself, works very well.
> On Feb 13, 2016, at 12:40 PM, CHUCK REICHEL  
> wrote:
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> Hi List,
> The subject says  it all.
> Carbon Copy Cloner or SuperDuper! for El Capitan?
> Who out there has used either of these applications on El Capitan, and which 
> is most VO friendly?
> Thanks
> Chuck
> 
> 
> 
> CHUCK REICHEL
> soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com
> www.SoundPictureRecording.com
> 954-742-0019
> GUFFAWING :)
> In GOD I Trust
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Re: How to activate a link in a tweet?

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi,

Firstly, thank to you and Jeffrey for the tips on how to activate a link in a 
tweet.

I think I did that quite by chance, and if I remember well, I pressed 
vo+spacebar on a tweet which gave me a dialog with menu button.   vo+spacebar 
on that, you should see an option to mute a particular tweet.

Hope I'm right about this.

Andrew
> On 14 Feb 2016, at 11:56, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:
> 
> I too like the native twitter app for MacOs, only thing that i haven’t 
> figured out as of yet is how to mute certain hash tags/users/tweets. Does 
> anyone know how this is done in the native twitter app?
> /Krister
> 
>> 14 feb. 2016 kl. 12:11 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>> :
>> 
>> Tweetlist Pro is wonderful for I O S.
>> 
>> As for the mac, use Syrinx, no, just kidding.  Sorry, I couldn't resist. LOL!
>> 
>> Being totally serious though, there is an app called Night owl, not joking 
>> around.  The app was formerally called YoruFukurou.
>> 
>> At least in Night Owl, when sitting on the tweet with the link, simply press 
>> the L key.
>> 
>> I'd also very strongly encourage you to check out the native Twitter app for 
>> the mac.  It has very recently become extremely extremely accessible.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Andrew Lamanche" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 6:02 AM
>> Subject: How to activate a link in a tweet?
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I'm very new to Twitter.  I see that sometimes links to articles or files 
>>> are posted in a tweet.  But how do I activate them or copy them using 
>>> Voiceover on my mac, iOS?  What's the most accessible Twitter app on the 
>>> iPhone?
>>> 
>>> Many thanks,
>>> 
>>> Andrew
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Recipe apps for Apple Watch?

[Alex Hall]

Hey all,
I'm wondering if there's an app that can show you one step of your recipe at a 
time on the Apple Watch? It seems like that'd be more convenient than using an 
iPhone or iPad. I'm imagining an app that shows you step one, then lets you 
either hit a button or do a two-finger swipe left to view the next step, and so 
on until you're done. I use Paprika as my recipe manager right now, so if 
there's anything from that company so it can hook into Paprika, that would be 
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Oh gosh. You mean I have to delete all this? Mods, please act soon.Thanks.

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On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 11:41 AM -0800, "Mail"  wrote:












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[Mail]

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my name is bill dengler

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hahahahahahahaha

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I am Bill Dengler

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I will hack your system and fuck it up, asshole!

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Re:

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

If you get caught by the very long strings that kills Alex and aren’t using 
another synth or can’t switch to it, you can press Command+Space, type 
terminal, press enter.  Press backspace and listen for the bell.  Type “sudo 
shutdown -r now” and press enter, type your password, and press enter.  Your 
Mac restarts.

The perpetrator is sending emails to individual members from a gmail account 
off-list as well, so watch out.

Obviously I sincerely hope that the moderators hang the responsible party from 
the gallows by the naughty bits.  It probably won’t help, but it’s worth trying.

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Re:

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my name is bill dengler

On 2/14/2016 8:49 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
> If you get caught by the very long strings that kills Alex and aren’t using 
> another synth or can’t switch to it, you can press Command+Space, type 
> terminal, press enter.  Press backspace and listen for the bell.  Type “sudo 
> shutdown -r now” and press enter, type your password, and press enter.  Your 
> Mac restarts.
>
> The perpetrator is sending emails to individual members from a gmail account 
> off-list as well, so watch out.
>
> Obviously I sincerely hope that the moderators hang the responsible party 
> from the gallows by the naughty bits.  It probably won’t help, but it’s worth 
> trying.
>

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Re:

[Bill Dengler]

Or sudo reboot should work as well… or just hold down the power button.
Switched synths until this gets resolved.

Bill
> On Feb 14, 2016, at 3:49 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> If you get caught by the very long strings that kills Alex and aren’t using 
> another synth or can’t switch to it, you can press Command+Space, type 
> terminal, press enter.  Press backspace and listen for the bell.  Type “sudo 
> shutdown -r now” and press enter, type your password, and press enter.  Your 
> Mac restarts.
> 
> The perpetrator is sending emails to individual members from a gmail account 
> off-list as well, so watch out.
> 
> Obviously I sincerely hope that the moderators hang the responsible party 
> from the gallows by the naughty bits.  It probably won’t help, but it’s worth 
> trying.
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Re: How to activate a link in a tweet?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

That's partly why I suggested Night Owl, AKA, YoruFukurou.

BTW, again, when I mentioned Syrinx, don't do it.  I was kidding.  that's a 
really old Twitter client, that probably doesn't even work anymore.  I just 
wanted to get a small laugh.


Seriously though, I think YoruFukurou is probably going to be your best bet 
here.


Chris.

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Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: How to activate a link in a tweet?



Hi Chris,

Thanks for your suggestions.  I have started using Twitter.app for mac but 
I don't seem to be able to activate links in a tweet, that's why I'm 
asking whether there is a trick to it.


Thanks

Andrew
On 14 Feb 2016, at 11:11, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Tweetlist Pro is wonderful for I O S.

As for the mac, use Syrinx, no, just kidding.  Sorry, I couldn't resist. 
LOL!


Being totally serious though, there is an app called Night owl, not 
joking around.  The app was formerally called YoruFukurou.


At least in Night Owl, when sitting on the tweet with the link, simply 
press the L key.


I'd also very strongly encourage you to check out the native Twitter app 
for the mac.  It has very recently become extremely extremely accessible.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Andrew Lamanche" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 6:02 AM
Subject: How to activate a link in a tweet?



Hi,

I'm very new to Twitter.  I see that sometimes links to articles or 
files are posted in a tweet.  But how do I activate them or copy them 
using Voiceover on my mac, iOS?  What's the most accessible Twitter app 
on the iPhone?


Many thanks,

Andrew

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Re: How to activate a link in a tweet?

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shut up christopher mark gilland you little child
i will kill u dickface

On 2/14/2016 9:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> That's partly why I suggested Night Owl, AKA, YoruFukurou.
>
> BTW, again, when I mentioned Syrinx, don't do it.  I was kidding. 
> that's a really old Twitter client, that probably doesn't even work
> anymore.  I just wanted to get a small laugh.
>
> Seriously though, I think YoruFukurou is probably going to be your
> best bet here.
>
> Chris.
>
> - Original Message - From: "Andrew Lamanche" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 6:53 AM
> Subject: Re: How to activate a link in a tweet?
>
>
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> Thanks for your suggestions.  I have started using Twitter.app for
>> mac but I don't seem to be able to activate links in a tweet, that's
>> why I'm asking whether there is a trick to it.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Andrew
>>> On 14 Feb 2016, at 11:11, Christopher-Mark Gilland
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Tweetlist Pro is wonderful for I O S.
>>>
>>> As for the mac, use Syrinx, no, just kidding.  Sorry, I couldn't
>>> resist. LOL!
>>>
>>> Being totally serious though, there is an app called Night owl, not
>>> joking around.  The app was formerally called YoruFukurou.
>>>
>>> At least in Night Owl, when sitting on the tweet with the link,
>>> simply press the L key.
>>>
>>> I'd also very strongly encourage you to check out the native Twitter
>>> app for the mac.  It has very recently become extremely extremely
>>> accessible.
>>>
>>> Chris.
>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: "Andrew Lamanche" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 6:02 AM
>>> Subject: How to activate a link in a tweet?
>>>
>>>
 Hi,

 I'm very new to Twitter.  I see that sometimes links to articles or
 files are posted in a tweet.  But how do I activate them or copy
 them using Voiceover on my mac, iOS?  What's the most accessible
 Twitter app on the iPhone?

 Many thanks,

 Andrew

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Re: Recipe apps for Apple Watch?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Wooo!  Me likes, me likes!  I like your way a thinking!  That would be 
incredible!  Have you tried by chance going to the Watch app on your IPhone, 
then go in the bottom of the screen to the search tab?  From here, do a search 
for the word Recipe.  You may find something.  Again, whether it be free or 
not, and whether it be accessible or not, that I can't say.  You'll just have 
to experiment.

Chris.

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  To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
  Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 2:35 PM
  Subject: Recipe apps for Apple Watch?


  Hey all,
  I'm wondering if there's an app that can show you one step of your recipe at 
a time on the Apple Watch? It seems like that'd be more convenient than using 
an iPhone or iPad. I'm imagining an app that shows you step one, then lets you 
either hit a button or do a two-finger swipe left to view the next step, and so 
on until you're done. I use Paprika as my recipe manager right now, so if 
there's anything from that company so it can hook into Paprika, that would be 
ideal. Any suggestions are appreciated.


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Re: help with ererererererererererererererererer

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Wut?

Chris.

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From: "Mail" 

To: 
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Subject: help with ererererererererererererererererer





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Help with message are extremely offensive

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK, I'm leaving the list if this doesn't stop!  that's final!

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Re: Recipe apps for Apple Watch?

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did your mom ever teach u to wipe your ass?

On 2/14/2016 9:45 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> Wooo!  Me likes, me likes!  I like your way a thinking!  That would be
> incredible!  Have you tried by chance going to the Watch app on your
> IPhone, then go in the bottom of the screen to the search tab?  From
> here, do a search for the word Recipe.  You may find something. 
> Again, whether it be free or not, and whether it be accessible or not,
> that I can't say.  You'll just have to experiment.
>  
> Chris.
>  
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Alex Hall 
> *To:* 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
> 
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 14, 2016 2:35 PM
> *Subject:* Recipe apps for Apple Watch?
>
> Hey all,
> I'm wondering if there's an app that can show you one step of your
> recipe at a time on the Apple Watch? It seems like that'd be more
> convenient than using an iPhone or iPad. I'm imagining an app that
> shows you step one, then lets you either hit a button or do a
> two-finger swipe left to view the next step, and so on until
> you're done. I use Paprika as my recipe manager right now, so if
> there's anything from that company so it can hook into Paprika,
> that would be ideal. Any suggestions are appreciated.
>
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Re: Help with message are extremely offensive

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fuck off asshole shitboy. go offend ur mommy

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Re: my name is bill dengler

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Somehow, I doubt Bill is doing this.

Chris.

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From: "Mail" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 2:47 PM
Subject: my name is bill dengler



hahahahahahahaha

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fuck u

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asshole nigger

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Shutting down with Terminal

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Changing the subject line to better  reflect.

God I hope Mark deals with this jerk soon!  Thank you for the tip

Chris.

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To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 3:49 PM
Subject: Re:


If you get caught by the very long strings that kills Alex and aren’t using 
another synth or can’t switch to it, you can press Command+Space, type 
terminal, press enter.  Press backspace and listen for the bell.  Type “sudo 
shutdown -r now” and press enter, type your password, and press enter.  Your 
Mac restarts.


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Re: Shutting down with Terminal

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go rape ur mom little shitbag

On 2/14/2016 9:52 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> Changing the subject line to better  reflect.
>
> God I hope Mark deals with this jerk soon!  Thank you for the tip
>
> Chris.
>
> - Original Message - From: "Sabahattin Gucukoglu"
> 
> To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 3:49 PM
> Subject: Re:
>
>
> If you get caught by the very long strings that kills Alex and aren’t
> using another synth or can’t switch to it, you can press
> Command+Space, type terminal, press enter.  Press backspace and listen
> for the bell.  Type “sudo shutdown -r now” and press enter, type your
> password, and press enter.  Your Mac restarts.
>
> The perpetrator is sending emails to individual members from a gmail
> account off-list as well, so watch out.
>
> Obviously I sincerely hope that the moderators hang the responsible
> party from the gallows by the naughty bits.  It probably won’t help,
> but it’s worth trying.
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Re: Re:

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Hunt uh!  The last thing you wanna do is just hold in the power button. 
That's a real good way to cause file corruption.  Don't do that unless it be 
a very last resort.


Chris.

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From: "Bill Dengler" 

To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 4:05 PM
Subject: Re:


Or sudo reboot should work as well… or just hold down the power button.
Switched synths until this gets resolved.

Bill
On Feb 14, 2016, at 3:49 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  
wrote:


If you get caught by the very long strings that kills Alex and aren’t 
using another synth or can’t switch to it, you can press Command+Space, 
type terminal, press enter.  Press backspace and listen for the bell. 
Type “sudo shutdown -r now” and press enter, type your password, and press 
enter.  Your Mac restarts.


The perpetrator is sending emails to individual members from a gmail 
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Re:

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hunt uh isnt a word u little fucktard. go learn some writing skills fagot


On 2/14/2016 9:53 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> Hunt uh!  The last thing you wanna do is just hold in the power
> button. That's a real good way to cause file corruption.  Don't do
> that unless it be a very last resort.
>
> Chris.
>
> - Original Message - From: "Bill Dengler" 
> To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 4:05 PM
> Subject: Re:
>
>
> Or sudo reboot should work as well… or just hold down the power button.
> Switched synths until this gets resolved.
>
> Bill
>> On Feb 14, 2016, at 3:49 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu 
>> wrote:
>>
>> If you get caught by the very long strings that kills Alex and aren’t
>> using another synth or can’t switch to it, you can press
>> Command+Space, type terminal, press enter.  Press backspace and
>> listen for the bell. Type “sudo shutdown -r now” and press enter,
>> type your password, and press enter.  Your Mac restarts.
>>
>> The perpetrator is sending emails to individual members from a gmail
>> account off-list as well, so watch out.
>>
>> Obviously I sincerely hope that the moderators hang the responsible
>> party from the gallows by the naughty bits.  It probably won’t help,
>> but it’s worth trying.
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Re:

[Bill Dengler]

I wouldn’t suggest it unless the terminal method fails, but OS X is 
surprisingly good at recovering from file corruption in most cases.
You could also tap the power button which will (eventually) shut the machine 
down.

Bill
> On Feb 14, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Hunt uh!  The last thing you wanna do is just hold in the power button. 
> That's a real good way to cause file corruption.  Don't do that unless it be 
> a very last resort.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Bill Dengler" 
> To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 4:05 PM
> Subject: Re:
> 
> 
> Or sudo reboot should work as well… or just hold down the power button.
> Switched synths until this gets resolved.
> 
> Bill
>> On Feb 14, 2016, at 3:49 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> If you get caught by the very long strings that kills Alex and aren’t using 
>> another synth or can’t switch to it, you can press Command+Space, type 
>> terminal, press enter.  Press backspace and listen for the bell. Type “sudo 
>> shutdown -r now” and press enter, type your password, and press enter.  Your 
>> Mac restarts.
>> 
>> The perpetrator is sending emails to individual members from a gmail account 
>> off-list as well, so watch out.
>> 
>> Obviously I sincerely hope that the moderators hang the responsible party 
>> from the gallows by the naughty bits.  It probably won’t help, but it’s 
>> worth trying.
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Re:

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i will kill u bill dengler

On 2/14/2016 9:58 PM, Bill Dengler wrote:
> I wouldn’t suggest it unless the terminal method fails, but OS X is 
> surprisingly good at recovering from file corruption in most cases.
> You could also tap the power button which will (eventually) shut the machine 
> down.
>
> Bill
>> On Feb 14, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hunt uh!  The last thing you wanna do is just hold in the power button. 
>> That's a real good way to cause file corruption.  Don't do that unless it be 
>> a very last resort.
>>
>> Chris.
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Bill Dengler" 
>> To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 4:05 PM
>> Subject: Re:
>>
>>
>> Or sudo reboot should work as well… or just hold down the power button.
>> Switched synths until this gets resolved.
>>
>> Bill
>>> On Feb 14, 2016, at 3:49 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>>
>>> If you get caught by the very long strings that kills Alex and aren’t using 
>>> another synth or can’t switch to it, you can press Command+Space, type 
>>> terminal, press enter.  Press backspace and listen for the bell. Type “sudo 
>>> shutdown -r now” and press enter, type your password, and press enter.  
>>> Your Mac restarts.
>>>
>>> The perpetrator is sending emails to individual members from a gmail 
>>> account off-list as well, so watch out.
>>>
>>> Obviously I sincerely hope that the moderators hang the responsible party 
>>> from the gallows by the naughty bits.  It probably won’t help, but it’s 
>>> worth trying.
>>>
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Re: How to activate a link in a tweet?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

How much do you all wanna bet this is Maheen Wickramasinghe going under an 
alias.  Obviously, I can't prove this, but I have a very weird suspicion. 
Anyway, I'm done fuling the fire.


Chris.

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From: "Mail" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: How to activate a link in a tweet?



shut up christopher mark gilland you little child
i will kill u dickface

On 2/14/2016 9:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

That's partly why I suggested Night Owl, AKA, YoruFukurou.

BTW, again, when I mentioned Syrinx, don't do it.  I was kidding.
that's a really old Twitter client, that probably doesn't even work
anymore.  I just wanted to get a small laugh.

Seriously though, I think YoruFukurou is probably going to be your
best bet here.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Andrew Lamanche" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: How to activate a link in a tweet?



Hi Chris,

Thanks for your suggestions.  I have started using Twitter.app for
mac but I don't seem to be able to activate links in a tweet, that's
why I'm asking whether there is a trick to it.

Thanks

Andrew

On 14 Feb 2016, at 11:11, Christopher-Mark Gilland
 wrote:

Tweetlist Pro is wonderful for I O S.

As for the mac, use Syrinx, no, just kidding.  Sorry, I couldn't
resist. LOL!

Being totally serious though, there is an app called Night owl, not
joking around.  The app was formerally called YoruFukurou.

At least in Night Owl, when sitting on the tweet with the link,
simply press the L key.

I'd also very strongly encourage you to check out the native Twitter
app for the mac.  It has very recently become extremely extremely
accessible.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Andrew Lamanche" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 6:02 AM
Subject: How to activate a link in a tweet?



Hi,

I'm very new to Twitter.  I see that sometimes links to articles or
files are posted in a tweet.  But how do I activate them or copy
them using Voiceover on my mac, iOS?  What's the most accessible
Twitter app on the iPhone?

Many thanks,

Andrew

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Re:

[Bill Dengler]

So… wait. First you want to impersonate me, then you want to kill me? Wow shaf. 
Just wow.

Bill
On Feb 14, 2016, at 4:59 PM, Mail  wrote:
> 
> i will kill u bill dengler
> 
> On 2/14/2016 9:58 PM, Bill Dengler wrote:
>> I wouldn’t suggest it unless the terminal method fails, but OS X is 
>> surprisingly good at recovering from file corruption in most cases.
>> You could also tap the power button which will (eventually) shut the machine 
>> down.
>> 
>> Bill
>>> On Feb 14, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hunt uh!  The last thing you wanna do is just hold in the power button. 
>>> That's a real good way to cause file corruption.  Don't do that unless it 
>>> be a very last resort.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Bill Dengler" 
>>> To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 4:05 PM
>>> Subject: Re:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Or sudo reboot should work as well… or just hold down the power button.
>>> Switched synths until this gets resolved.
>>> 
>>> Bill
 On Feb 14, 2016, at 3:49 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 If you get caught by the very long strings that kills Alex and aren’t 
 using another synth or can’t switch to it, you can press Command+Space, 
 type terminal, press enter.  Press backspace and listen for the bell. Type 
 “sudo shutdown -r now” and press enter, type your password, and press 
 enter.  Your Mac restarts.
 
 The perpetrator is sending emails to individual members from a gmail 
 account off-list as well, so watch out.
 
 Obviously I sincerely hope that the moderators hang the responsible party 
 from the gallows by the naughty bits.  It probably won’t help, but it’s 
 worth trying.
 
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Re:

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i will kill u and impersinate u

On 2/14/2016 10:00 PM, Bill Dengler wrote:
> So… wait. First you want to impersonate me, then you want to kill me? Wow 
> shaf. Just wow.
>
> Bill
> On Feb 14, 2016, at 4:59 PM, Mail  wrote:
>> i will kill u bill dengler
>>
>> On 2/14/2016 9:58 PM, Bill Dengler wrote:
>>> I wouldn’t suggest it unless the terminal method fails, but OS X is 
>>> surprisingly good at recovering from file corruption in most cases.
>>> You could also tap the power button which will (eventually) shut the 
>>> machine down.
>>>
>>> Bill
 On Feb 14, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  wrote:

 Hunt uh!  The last thing you wanna do is just hold in the power button. 
 That's a real good way to cause file corruption.  Don't do that unless it 
 be a very last resort.

 Chris.

 - Original Message - From: "Bill Dengler" 
 To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
 Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 4:05 PM
 Subject: Re:


 Or sudo reboot should work as well… or just hold down the power button.
 Switched synths until this gets resolved.

 Bill
> On Feb 14, 2016, at 3:49 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  
> wrote:
>
> If you get caught by the very long strings that kills Alex and aren’t 
> using another synth or can’t switch to it, you can press Command+Space, 
> type terminal, press enter.  Press backspace and listen for the bell. 
> Type “sudo shutdown -r now” and press enter, type your password, and 
> press enter.  Your Mac restarts.
>
> The perpetrator is sending emails to individual members from a gmail 
> account off-list as well, so watch out.
>
> Obviously I sincerely hope that the moderators hang the responsible party 
> from the gallows by the naughty bits.  It probably won’t help, but it’s 
> worth trying.
>
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Re: Re:

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK, but would tapping the power button cause a proper shutdown?  Now, you 
got me curious.  Smile.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Bill Dengler" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 4:58 PM
Subject: Re:


I wouldn’t suggest it unless the terminal method fails, but OS X is 
surprisingly good at recovering from file corruption in most cases.
You could also tap the power button which will (eventually) shut the machine 
down.


Bill
On Feb 14, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Hunt uh!  The last thing you wanna do is just hold in the power button. 
That's a real good way to cause file corruption.  Don't do that unless it 
be a very last resort.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Bill Dengler" 
To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 4:05 PM
Subject: Re:


Or sudo reboot should work as well… or just hold down the power button.
Switched synths until this gets resolved.

Bill
On Feb 14, 2016, at 3:49 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  
wrote:


If you get caught by the very long strings that kills Alex and aren’t 
using another synth or can’t switch to it, you can press Command+Space, 
type terminal, press enter.  Press backspace and listen for the bell. 
Type “sudo shutdown -r now” and press enter, type your password, and 
press enter.  Your Mac restarts.


The perpetrator is sending emails to individual members from a gmail 
account off-list as well, so watch out.


Obviously I sincerely hope that the moderators hang the responsible party 
from the gallows by the naughty bits.  It probably won’t help, but it’s 
worth trying.


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Re:

[Bill Dengler]

Yes, since OS X will intercept the ACPI signal.

Bill
> On Feb 14, 2016, at 5:00 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> OK, but would tapping the power button cause a proper shutdown?  Now, you got 
> me curious.  Smile.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Bill Dengler" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 4:58 PM
> Subject: Re:
> 
> 
> I wouldn’t suggest it unless the terminal method fails, but OS X is 
> surprisingly good at recovering from file corruption in most cases.
> You could also tap the power button which will (eventually) shut the machine 
> down.
> 
> Bill
>> On Feb 14, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hunt uh!  The last thing you wanna do is just hold in the power button. 
>> That's a real good way to cause file corruption.  Don't do that unless it be 
>> a very last resort.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Bill Dengler" 
>> To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 4:05 PM
>> Subject: Re:
>> 
>> 
>> Or sudo reboot should work as well… or just hold down the power button.
>> Switched synths until this gets resolved.
>> 
>> Bill
>>> On Feb 14, 2016, at 3:49 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If you get caught by the very long strings that kills Alex and aren’t using 
>>> another synth or can’t switch to it, you can press Command+Space, type 
>>> terminal, press enter.  Press backspace and listen for the bell. Type “sudo 
>>> shutdown -r now” and press enter, type your password, and press enter.  
>>> Your Mac restarts.
>>> 
>>> The perpetrator is sending emails to individual members from a gmail 
>>> account off-list as well, so watch out.
>>> 
>>> Obviously I sincerely hope that the moderators hang the responsible party 
>>> from the gallows by the naughty bits.  It probably won’t help, but it’s 
>>> worth trying.
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Re: Help with message are extremely offensive

[Ray Foret Jr]

These messages look like a hawk to me. Very most definitely a hack. I shouldn't 
be surprised at all if all of Google groups been hacked.

Sincerely,
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> On Feb 14, 2016, at 3:48 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
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> OK, I'm leaving the list if this doesn't stop!  that's final!
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Att Bill: Legit message

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

ACPI?  What's that?  Admittedly, I've never heard that term before.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 5:02 PM
Subject: Re:


Yes, since OS X will intercept the ACPI signal.

Bill
On Feb 14, 2016, at 5:00 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


OK, but would tapping the power button cause a proper shutdown?  Now, you 
got me curious.  Smile.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Bill Dengler" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 4:58 PM
Subject: Re:


I wouldn’t suggest it unless the terminal method fails, but OS X is 
surprisingly good at recovering from file corruption in most cases.
You could also tap the power button which will (eventually) shut the 
machine down.


Bill
On Feb 14, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Hunt uh!  The last thing you wanna do is just hold in the power button. 
That's a real good way to cause file corruption.  Don't do that unless it 
be a very last resort.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Bill Dengler" 
To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 4:05 PM
Subject: Re:


Or sudo reboot should work as well… or just hold down the power button.
Switched synths until this gets resolved.

Bill
On Feb 14, 2016, at 3:49 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  
wrote:


If you get caught by the very long strings that kills Alex and aren’t 
using another synth or can’t switch to it, you can press Command+Space, 
type terminal, press enter.  Press backspace and listen for the bell. 
Type “sudo shutdown -r now” and press enter, type your password, and 
press enter.  Your Mac restarts.


The perpetrator is sending emails to individual members from a gmail 
account off-list as well, so watch out.


Obviously I sincerely hope that the moderators hang the responsible 
party from the gallows by the naughty bits.  It probably won’t help, but 
it’s worth trying.


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Re: Help with message are extremely offensive

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Ray,

I don't know if I'd go quite that far.  What makes you think it's all of 
Googlegroups?

I think there are some on this list who think it's Shaf.  It wouldn't surprise 
me.  Nor would it surprise me if it's Maheen going under a weird alias; you 
know how he likes to do that crud.

Anyway... I know I said I'd not feed this fire anymore, and I don't intend to, 
still, but you do have me curious what makes you think it's all of Googlegroups.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
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  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 5:03 PM
  Subject: Re: Help with message are extremely offensive


  These messages look like a hawk to me. Very most definitely a hack. I 
shouldn't be surprised at all if all of Google groups been hacked.


  Sincerely,
  The Constantly barefooted Ray,


  Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!


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  On Feb 14, 2016, at 3:48 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
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OK, I'm leaving the list if this doesn't stop!  that's final!



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Re: Help with message are extremely offensive

[Ray Foret Jr]

Good point Chris. Still, what made me think it might be all of the Google 
groups is the tremendous frequency with which these offensive posts are being 
put up. Then again, considering the fact that I am on to other Google groups 
and this is not happening with them, you have a good point.


After all, if memory serves correctly, we had an antagonist a few weeks ago who 
seem to be on the edge of doing this very sort of thing when we all demanded 
specificity from him as to a specific claims that he made regarding Firefox and 
accessibility: a thread which I'm sure you were and I remember all too well.

Sincerely,
The Constantly barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

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> On Feb 14, 2016, at 4:06 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
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> Ray,
>  
> I don't know if I'd go quite that far.  What makes you think it's all of 
> Googlegroups?
>  
> I think there are some on this list who think it's Shaf.  It wouldn't 
> surprise me.  Nor would it surprise me if it's Maheen going under a weird 
> alias; you know how he likes to do that crud.
>  
> Anyway... I know I said I'd not feed this fire anymore, and I don't intend 
> to, still, but you do have me curious what makes you think it's all of 
> Googlegroups.
>  
> Chris.
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Ray Foret Jr
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 5:03 PM
> Subject: Re: Help with message are extremely offensive
> 
> These messages look like a hawk to me. Very most definitely a hack. I 
> shouldn't be surprised at all if all of Google groups been hacked.
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone,
> the only smart phone with full accessibility for the blind built-in
> 
>> On Feb 14, 2016, at 3:48 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
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Re:

[Eric Oyen]

ok,
there seems to be some kind of malformed object, script or malicious webpage 
contained in the OP/s message. Every time I tried to read it, it would cause my 
screen reader (voiceover) to lock up (practically unheard of for OS X, but 
there it is) and would also cause my email client to crash. I even attempted to 
look at the message raw source, only to run into the same problem once I got 
out of the header info. SInce there seemed to be no way to find out what the 
content was, I have had to remove it from this email response in order to let 
the list owners know.

Now, it could also be a problem with my version  of OS X (Lion), but to have 
the same thing happen using safari web browser on my iCloud account, and even 
get the same issues using other browsers (like chrome), indicates that the 
issue is not on my end. So, would someone let the OP know they have an issue?

thanks,

Eric

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[Bill Dengler]

No, OP is sending strings in a deliberate attempt to crash the screen reader. 
Switch to a non-MacinTalk synthesizer.

Bill
Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 14, 2016, at 17:11, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
> ok,
> there seems to be some kind of malformed object, script or malicious webpage 
> contained in the OP/s message. Every time I tried to read it, it would cause 
> my screen reader (voiceover) to lock up (practically unheard of for OS X, but 
> there it is) and would also cause my email client to crash. I even attempted 
> to look at the message raw source, only to run into the same problem once I 
> got out of the header info. SInce there seemed to be no way to find out what 
> the content was, I have had to remove it from this email response in order to 
> let the list owners know.
> 
> Now, it could also be a problem with my version  of OS X (Lion), but to have 
> the same thing happen using safari web browser on my iCloud account, and even 
> get the same issues using other browsers (like chrome), indicates that the 
> issue is not on my end. So, would someone let the OP know they have an issue?
> 
> thanks,
> 
> Eric
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Re:

[Vaughn Brown]

Mine kept hanging in mail everytime this sender was highlighted.
Vaughn

On 2/14/16, Bill Dengler  wrote:
> No, OP is sending strings in a deliberate attempt to crash the screen
> reader. Switch to a non-MacinTalk synthesizer.
>
> Bill
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Feb 14, 2016, at 17:11, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>>
>> ok,
>> there seems to be some kind of malformed object, script or malicious
>> webpage contained in the OP/s message. Every time I tried to read it, it
>> would cause my screen reader (voiceover) to lock up (practically unheard
>> of for OS X, but there it is) and would also cause my email client to
>> crash. I even attempted to look at the message raw source, only to run
>> into the same problem once I got out of the header info. SInce there
>> seemed to be no way to find out what the content was, I have had to remove
>> it from this email response in order to let the list owners know.
>>
>> Now, it could also be a problem with my version  of OS X (Lion), but to
>> have the same thing happen using safari web browser on my iCloud account,
>> and even get the same issues using other browsers (like chrome), indicates
>> that the issue is not on my end. So, would someone let the OP know they
>> have an issue?
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> Eric
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Re: Help with message are extremely offensive

[Eric Oyen]

hmmm.
well, far be it from me to offer advice. However, I had to dig pretty deep into 
how filters work on apple mail in order to get this to work right. Basically, I 
found his originating IP address, eliminated the last octet (last digits after 
last period), placed a star in there and checked the function move to mailbox 
and specified trash.

so far, it seems to work.

btw, there was another kind of message starting to show up around a few (not 
many) of the google groups. whatever it is, its either malformed or contains 
scripting designed to cause problems on macs. It caused my voiceover screen 
reader to lock up, caused both the mail client to crash and any web browsers I 
used to also crash. Even viewing the raw source caused issues. I posted a no 
subject response to it and removed the offending material. Hopefully, someone 
realizes their account has been pawned.(pardon the leet speak there).

anyway, some domains (and IP spaces) are known for this kind of trouble. It may 
seem like hard work initially, but the reward is that you never have to see the 
problem after that. :)

thanks,

Eric

On Feb 14, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> Good point Chris. Still, what made me think it might be all of the Google 
> groups is the tremendous frequency with which these offensive posts are being 
> put up. Then again, considering the fact that I am on to other Google groups 
> and this is not happening with them, you have a good point.
> 
> 
> After all, if memory serves correctly, we had an antagonist a few weeks ago 
> who seem to be on the edge of doing this very sort of thing when we all 
> demanded specificity from him as to a specific claims that he made regarding 
> Firefox and accessibility: a thread which I'm sure you were and I remember 
> all too well.
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly barefooted Ray,
> 
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Re:

[Ray Foret Jr]

What voice are you using that seems to be crushing on you with this sort of 
script? At the moment, I'm using my iPhone, with the Aaron voice (the so-called 
me old US Siri voice)

Sincerely,
The Constantly barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my iPhone,
the only smart phone with full accessibility for the blind built-in

> On Feb 14, 2016, at 4:18 PM, Vaughn Brown  wrote:
> 
> Mine kept hanging in mail everytime this sender was highlighted.
> Vaughn
> 
>> On 2/14/16, Bill Dengler  wrote:
>> No, OP is sending strings in a deliberate attempt to crash the screen
>> reader. Switch to a non-MacinTalk synthesizer.
>> 
>> Bill
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 14, 2016, at 17:11, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> ok,
>>> there seems to be some kind of malformed object, script or malicious
>>> webpage contained in the OP/s message. Every time I tried to read it, it
>>> would cause my screen reader (voiceover) to lock up (practically unheard
>>> of for OS X, but there it is) and would also cause my email client to
>>> crash. I even attempted to look at the message raw source, only to run
>>> into the same problem once I got out of the header info. SInce there
>>> seemed to be no way to find out what the content was, I have had to remove
>>> it from this email response in order to let the list owners know.
>>> 
>>> Now, it could also be a problem with my version  of OS X (Lion), but to
>>> have the same thing happen using safari web browser on my iCloud account,
>>> and even get the same issues using other browsers (like chrome), indicates
>>> that the issue is not on my end. So, would someone let the OP know they
>>> have an issue?
>>> 
>>> thanks,
>>> 
>>> Eric
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Re:

[Eric Oyen]

thats what I thought it was. btw, it even crashed my braille sense U2 when I 
tried to read the message from there using the built-in client. So, I sent a 
bug report to Hims Notetakers letting them know of the issue.

don't you just love it when malicious types deliberately try to make an already 
difficult life even more so? I have a simple and direct solution to people who 
send these scripts. Only, I won't state it here.

-eric

On Feb 14, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> What voice are you using that seems to be crushing on you with this sort of 
> script? At the moment, I'm using my iPhone, with the Aaron voice (the 
> so-called me old US Siri voice)
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone,
> the only smart phone with full accessibility for the blind built-in
> 
> On Feb 14, 2016, at 4:18 PM, Vaughn Brown  wrote:
> 
>> Mine kept hanging in mail everytime this sender was highlighted.
>> Vaughn
>> 
>> On 2/14/16, Bill Dengler  wrote:
>>> No, OP is sending strings in a deliberate attempt to crash the screen
>>> reader. Switch to a non-MacinTalk synthesizer.
>>> 
>>> Bill
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Feb 14, 2016, at 17:11, Eric Oyen  wrote:
 
 ok,
 there seems to be some kind of malformed object, script or malicious
 webpage contained in the OP/s message. Every time I tried to read it, it
 would cause my screen reader (voiceover) to lock up (practically unheard
 of for OS X, but there it is) and would also cause my email client to
 crash. I even attempted to look at the message raw source, only to run
 into the same problem once I got out of the header info. SInce there
 seemed to be no way to find out what the content was, I have had to remove
 it from this email response in order to let the list owners know.
 
 Now, it could also be a problem with my version  of OS X (Lion), but to
 have the same thing happen using safari web browser on my iCloud account,
 and even get the same issues using other browsers (like chrome), indicates
 that the issue is not on my end. So, would someone let the OP know they
 have an issue?
 
 thanks,
 
 Eric
 
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Re:

[Gary]

This is happening to me too on my iMac. I’ve had to hold my power button to 
shutdown and then restart it.  My apple mail is fine as long as I don’t VO to 
the subject line or open the message.  I’ve been going to the sender column and 
deleting the messages.  What’s the ip of the sender to create a move to trash 
rule?
Thanks,
Gary

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> ok,
> there seems to be some kind of malformed object, script or malicious webpage 
> contained in the OP/s message. Every time I tried to read it, it would cause 
> my screen reader (voiceover) to lock up (practically unheard of for OS X, but 
> there it is) and would also cause my email client to crash. I even attempted 
> to look at the message raw source, only to run into the same problem once I 
> got out of the header info. SInce there seemed to be no way to find out what 
> the content was, I have had to remove it from this email response in order to 
> let the list owners know.
> 
> Now, it could also be a problem with my version  of OS X (Lion), but to have 
> the same thing happen using safari web browser on my iCloud account, and even 
> get the same issues using other browsers (like chrome), indicates that the 
> issue is not on my end. So, would someone let the OP know they have an issue?
> 
> thanks,
> 
> Eric
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about the recent crash scripts

[Eric Oyen]

if anyone out here is willing to, please package these scripts as text files (I 
will see if I can use textedit to pick them apart. I would very much like to 
see how this was done so I can file a report with apple's voiceover development 
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Re:

[mohammad suliman]

Hi,The problem is with Alex TTS here on my iPhone. Repeating er 39 or 40 times 
is the string which causes this issue. Samantha don't have this problem.



On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 2:19 PM -0800, "Vaughn Brown"  
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Mine kept hanging in mail everytime this sender was highlighted.
Vaughn

On 2/14/16, Bill Dengler  wrote:
> No, OP is sending strings in a deliberate attempt to crash the screen
> reader. Switch to a non-MacinTalk synthesizer.
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>> On Feb 14, 2016, at 17:11, Eric Oyen  wrote:
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>> ok,
>> there seems to be some kind of malformed object, script or malicious
>> webpage contained in the OP/s message. Every time I tried to read it, it
>> would cause my screen reader (voiceover) to lock up (practically unheard
>> of for OS X, but there it is) and would also cause my email client to
>> crash. I even attempted to look at the message raw source, only to run
>> into the same problem once I got out of the header info. SInce there
>> seemed to be no way to find out what the content was, I have had to remove
>> it from this email response in order to let the list owners know.
>>
>> Now, it could also be a problem with my version  of OS X (Lion), but to
>> have the same thing happen using safari web browser on my iCloud account,
>> and even get the same issues using other browsers (like chrome), indicates
>> that the issue is not on my end. So, would someone let the OP know they
>> have an issue?
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Re:

[Alex Hall]

This appears to be a crash string for Alex (possibly other synths as well), 
similar to how certain misspellings of Wednesday can crash Eloquence (before it 
was patched). I'm using Ava on my Mac and things are working fine. Props to 
Voiceover on iOS, though: while this string kills VO and the entire machine, it 
seems on Mac, VO on iOS just needs to be restarted and it's fine again. Too bad 
OS X can't recover like that.
> On Feb 14, 2016, at 17:37, Gary  wrote:
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> This is happening to me too on my iMac. I’ve had to hold my power button to 
> shutdown and then restart it.  My apple mail is fine as long as I don’t VO to 
> the subject line or open the message.  I’ve been going to the sender column 
> and deleting the messages.  What’s the ip of the sender to create a move to 
> trash rule?
> Thanks,
> Gary
> 
> On Feb 14, 2016, at 4:11 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
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>> ok,
>> there seems to be some kind of malformed object, script or malicious webpage 
>> contained in the OP/s message. Every time I tried to read it, it would cause 
>> my screen reader (voiceover) to lock up (practically unheard of for OS X, 
>> but there it is) and would also cause my email client to crash. I even 
>> attempted to look at the message raw source, only to run into the same 
>> problem once I got out of the header info. SInce there seemed to be no way 
>> to find out what the content was, I have had to remove it from this email 
>> response in order to let the list owners know.
>> 
>> Now, it could also be a problem with my version  of OS X (Lion), but to have 
>> the same thing happen using safari web browser on my iCloud account, and 
>> even get the same issues using other browsers (like chrome), indicates that 
>> the issue is not on my end. So, would someone let the OP know they have an 
>> issue?
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>> thanks,
>> 
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Re: about the recent crash scripts

[Alex Hall]

As far as anyone can tell, it's not a script or anything so complex. You just 
type "er" a bunch of times, and you eventually cause Alex to crash. On OS X, 
this brings VO down with it and a restart of the machine is required. On iOS, 
simply restarting VO is enough to fix it.
> On Feb 14, 2016, at 17:42, Eric Oyen  wrote:
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> if anyone out here is willing to, please package these scripts as text files 
> (I will see if I can use textedit to pick them apart. I would very much like 
> to see how this was done so I can file a report with apple's voiceover 
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> windows (no idea what will happen there).
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Re:

[Eric Oyen]

I will have to dig it up (again). last crash wiped that filter (g) THis 
time, when I recreate it, I will save off the IP range in a text file.

now I have to go through this again. grrr.

I will get right back to you.

Eric

On Feb 14, 2016, at 3:37 PM, Gary wrote:

> This is happening to me too on my iMac. I’ve had to hold my power button to 
> shutdown and then restart it.  My apple mail is fine as long as I don’t VO to 
> the subject line or open the message.  I’ve been going to the sender column 
> and deleting the messages.  What’s the ip of the sender to create a move to 
> trash rule?
> Thanks,
> Gary
> 
> On Feb 14, 2016, at 4:11 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
>> ok,
>> there seems to be some kind of malformed object, script or malicious webpage 
>> contained in the OP/s message. Every time I tried to read it, it would cause 
>> my screen reader (voiceover) to lock up (practically unheard of for OS X, 
>> but there it is) and would also cause my email client to crash. I even 
>> attempted to look at the message raw source, only to run into the same 
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>> to find out what the content was, I have had to remove it from this email 
>> response in order to let the list owners know.
>> 
>> Now, it could also be a problem with my version  of OS X (Lion), but to have 
>> the same thing happen using safari web browser on my iCloud account, and 
>> even get the same issues using other browsers (like chrome), indicates that 
>> the issue is not on my end. So, would someone let the OP know they have an 
>> issue?
>> 
>> thanks,
>> 
>> Eric
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Re: about the recent crash scripts

[Eric Oyen]

this almost sounds like a similar issue I get when I am trying to read a 
terminal window while it is compiling something. this begins to look a lot like 
a buffer overflow. Wonderful.

Eric

On Feb 14, 2016, at 3:44 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

> As far as anyone can tell, it's not a script or anything so complex. You just 
> type "er" a bunch of times, and you eventually cause Alex to crash. On OS X, 
> this brings VO down with it and a restart of the machine is required. On iOS, 
> simply restarting VO is enough to fix it.
>> On Feb 14, 2016, at 17:42, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>> if anyone out here is willing to, please package these scripts as text files 
>> (I will see if I can use textedit to pick them apart. I would very much like 
>> to see how this was done so I can file a report with apple's voiceover 
>> development team. I am not even going to attempt to view these messages in 
>> windows (no idea what will happen there).
>> 
>> thanks.
>> 
>> Eric
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Re: Help with message are extremely offensive

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Be careful though, as this guy may have a dynamic IP, and this day with 
VPN's and such.  And don't say, don't give him any ideas.  Odds are, this 
individual probably already knows about this stuff.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Eric Oyen" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: Help with message are extremely offensive


hmmm.
well, far be it from me to offer advice. However, I had to dig pretty deep 
into how filters work on apple mail in order to get this to work right. 
Basically, I found his originating IP address, eliminated the last octet 
(last digits after last period), placed a star in there and checked the 
function move to mailbox and specified trash.


so far, it seems to work.

btw, there was another kind of message starting to show up around a few (not 
many) of the google groups. whatever it is, its either malformed or contains 
scripting designed to cause problems on macs. It caused my voiceover screen 
reader to lock up, caused both the mail client to crash and any web browsers 
I used to also crash. Even viewing the raw source caused issues. I posted a 
no subject response to it and removed the offending material. Hopefully, 
someone realizes their account has been pawned.(pardon the leet speak 
there).


anyway, some domains (and IP spaces) are known for this kind of trouble. It 
may seem like hard work initially, but the reward is that you never have to 
see the problem after that. :)


thanks,

Eric

On Feb 14, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

Good point Chris. Still, what made me think it might be all of the Google 
groups is the tremendous frequency with which these offensive posts are 
being put up. Then again, considering the fact that I am on to other 
Google groups and this is not happening with them, you have a good point.



After all, if memory serves correctly, we had an antagonist a few weeks 
ago who seem to be on the edge of doing this very sort of thing when we 
all demanded specificity from him as to a specific claims that he made 
regarding Firefox and accessibility: a thread which I'm sure you were and 
I remember all too well.


Sincerely,
The Constantly barefooted Ray,

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Re: about the recent crash scripts

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I'm doing it on Windows, and it's not crashing.  I'm not gonna say any more 
though about my setup than that, for security reasons.


Chris.

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To: "[MacVisionaries]" 
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 5:42 PM
Subject: about the recent crash scripts


if anyone out here is willing to, please package these scripts as text files 
(I will see if I can use textedit to pick them apart. I would very much like 
to see how this was done so I can file a report with apple's voiceover 
development team. I am not even going to attempt to view these messages in 
windows (no idea what will happen there).


thanks.

Eric

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Re: Help with message are extremely offensive

[Eric Oyen]

I doubt he has a large number of IP addresses at his disposal. To begin with, 
they would have to answer to a validated NX so far as sending mail is 
concerned. THis will limit his options a bit. Most ISP's these days won't even 
allow you to operate a mail server. Also, rather a lot of them also block the 
usual ports that are often used in spam. It is far easier to hijack someone 
else's account than it is to bypass firewall redirects. This doesn't mean that 
its impossible, but it does mean it is far easier to get someone to click on a 
link in email.

now, as for security, I can save something questionable to a file, port it over 
to my linux vmware machine and view it there. if a problem develops, its a 
simple erase of the vmware files and reinstate the machine from a good clean 
backup.

I might just start doing that with my email and browsing activities.

eric

On Feb 14, 2016, at 4:08 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

> Be careful though, as this guy may have a dynamic IP, and this day with VPN's 
> and such.  And don't say, don't give him any ideas.  Odds are, this 
> individual probably already knows about this stuff.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Eric Oyen" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 5:23 PM
> Subject: Re: Help with message are extremely offensive
> 
> 
> hmmm.
> well, far be it from me to offer advice. However, I had to dig pretty deep 
> into how filters work on apple mail in order to get this to work right. 
> Basically, I found his originating IP address, eliminated the last octet 
> (last digits after last period), placed a star in there and checked the 
> function move to mailbox and specified trash.
> 
> so far, it seems to work.
> 
> btw, there was another kind of message starting to show up around a few (not 
> many) of the google groups. whatever it is, its either malformed or contains 
> scripting designed to cause problems on macs. It caused my voiceover screen 
> reader to lock up, caused both the mail client to crash and any web browsers 
> I used to also crash. Even viewing the raw source caused issues. I posted a 
> no subject response to it and removed the offending material. Hopefully, 
> someone realizes their account has been pawned.(pardon the leet speak there).
> 
> anyway, some domains (and IP spaces) are known for this kind of trouble. It 
> may seem like hard work initially, but the reward is that you never have to 
> see the problem after that. :)
> 
> thanks,
> 
> Eric
> 
> On Feb 14, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
> 
>> Good point Chris. Still, what made me think it might be all of the Google 
>> groups is the tremendous frequency with which these offensive posts are 
>> being put up. Then again, considering the fact that I am on to other Google 
>> groups and this is not happening with them, you have a good point.
>> 
>> 
>> After all, if memory serves correctly, we had an antagonist a few weeks ago 
>> who seem to be on the edge of doing this very sort of thing when we all 
>> demanded specificity from him as to a specific claims that he made regarding 
>> Firefox and accessibility: a thread which I'm sure you were and I remember 
>> all too well.
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
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What the hell is going on?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

What the hell is going on, someone is sending e-mail to this list and the 
e-mails are crashing my Macs.  I wish someone would sort all this off and get 
who ever it is off the list so we can get on with reading our mails and have 
some kind of peaceful life.

Sorry, but I have spent the last half hour trying to restart my machines as I 
thought something had gone wrong with them.  I could only read my mail when I 
managed to delete everything off my computers.  Even my I phone crashed.

Kawal.
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Re: Help with message are extremely offensive

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

I didn't see a response yet from the mods but I checked the account of 
the user who posted all the junk and it is set to "not allowed to post" 
so I guess somebody got to it. Unfortunate that they were able to 
pollute the list for a few hours but it happens once in a while. Hope 
everyone can get back to useful mutual support and discussions.


CB

On 2/14/16 6:26 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:

I doubt he has a large number of IP addresses at his disposal. To begin with, 
they would have to answer to a validated NX so far as sending mail is 
concerned. THis will limit his options a bit. Most ISP's these days won't even 
allow you to operate a mail server. Also, rather a lot of them also block the 
usual ports that are often used in spam. It is far easier to hijack someone 
else's account than it is to bypass firewall redirects. This doesn't mean that 
its impossible, but it does mean it is far easier to get someone to click on a 
link in email.

now, as for security, I can save something questionable to a file, port it over 
to my linux vmware machine and view it there. if a problem develops, its a 
simple erase of the vmware files and reinstate the machine from a good clean 
backup.

I might just start doing that with my email and browsing activities.

eric

On Feb 14, 2016, at 4:08 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:


Be careful though, as this guy may have a dynamic IP, and this day with VPN's 
and such.  And don't say, don't give him any ideas.  Odds are, this individual 
probably already knows about this stuff.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Eric Oyen" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: Help with message are extremely offensive


hmmm.
well, far be it from me to offer advice. However, I had to dig pretty deep into 
how filters work on apple mail in order to get this to work right. Basically, I 
found his originating IP address, eliminated the last octet (last digits after 
last period), placed a star in there and checked the function move to mailbox 
and specified trash.

so far, it seems to work.

btw, there was another kind of message starting to show up around a few (not 
many) of the google groups. whatever it is, its either malformed or contains 
scripting designed to cause problems on macs. It caused my voiceover screen 
reader to lock up, caused both the mail client to crash and any web browsers I 
used to also crash. Even viewing the raw source caused issues. I posted a no 
subject response to it and removed the offending material. Hopefully, someone 
realizes their account has been pawned.(pardon the leet speak there).

anyway, some domains (and IP spaces) are known for this kind of trouble. It may 
seem like hard work initially, but the reward is that you never have to see the 
problem after that. :)

thanks,

Eric

On Feb 14, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:


Good point Chris. Still, what made me think it might be all of the Google 
groups is the tremendous frequency with which these offensive posts are being 
put up. Then again, considering the fact that I am on to other Google groups 
and this is not happening with them, you have a good point.


After all, if memory serves correctly, we had an antagonist a few weeks ago who 
seem to be on the edge of doing this very sort of thing when we all demanded 
specificity from him as to a specific claims that he made regarding Firefox and 
accessibility: a thread which I'm sure you were and I remember all too well.

Sincerely,
The Constantly barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

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Re: What the hell is going on?

[Helga Schreiber]

Hi! What is the I email? I'm having some issues in reading my emails whenever I 
flick right and left in ordr to read emails my Voiceover Crashes! Is this 
really causing the problem!! Not joking!! I'm just wondering!! Is this  the 
problem!! I deleted my gmail account and added again on my iPhone 6S Hope to 
hear from you soon!!  Thanks and God bless!!

Helga Schreiber 

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Sent from my iPhone 

> On Feb 14, 2016, at 6:34 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> What the hell is going on, someone is sending e-mail to this list and the 
> e-mails are crashing my Macs.  I wish someone would sort all this off and get 
> who ever it is off the list so we can get on with reading our mails and have 
> some kind of peaceful life.
> 
> Sorry, but I have spent the last half hour trying to restart my machines as I 
> thought something had gone wrong with them.  I could only read my mail when I 
> managed to delete everything off my computers.  Even my I phone crashed.
> 
> Kawal.
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Re: Help with message are extremely offensive

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Well I reported all the posts I could find coming from the IP (which was in 
Canada) to Google abuse, as he’s relaying through Gmail.  I don’t hold out much 
hope for any actual remedy because Google appears to take a fairly relaxed 
attitude to abuse complaints that don’t directly affect its customers, but 
still.  I hope they find the poor creature and give it some milk and biscuits 
and a loving embrace about the throat.

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Re: What the hell is going on?

[Abdullah Ibrahim Olivares]

There aren’t anymore emails, but to delete the existing ones, just switch to 
another voice, like Samantha, and you’ll be able to delete them just fine.

Abdullah

> On Jum. I 5, 1437 AH, at 6:59 PM, Helga Schreiber 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi! What is the I email? I'm having some issues in reading my emails whenever 
> I flick right and left in ordr to read emails my Voiceover Crashes! Is this 
> really causing the problem!! Not joking!! I'm just wondering!! Is this  the 
> problem!! I deleted my gmail account and added again on my iPhone 6S Hope to 
> hear from you soon!!  Thanks and God bless!!
> 
> Helga Schreiber 
> 
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind 
> Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
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> px 
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> On Feb 14, 2016, at 6:34 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  > wrote:
> 
>> What the hell is going on, someone is sending e-mail to this list and the 
>> e-mails are crashing my Macs.  I wish someone would sort all this off and 
>> get who ever it is off the list so we can get on with reading our mails and 
>> have some kind of peaceful life.
>> 
>> Sorry, but I have spent the last half hour trying to restart my machines as 
>> I thought something had gone wrong with them.  I could only read my mail 
>> when I managed to delete everything off my computers.  Even my I phone 
>> crashed.
>> 
>> Kawal.
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Re: about the recent crash scripts

[gs]

Excellent tack, Chris. Don't say too much and make sure to leave people 
guessing about your configuration. That'll handle the problem.

Even better, stop responding to the tantalizing bait. Not possible, I 
understand.



On Feb 14, 2016, at 6:10 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

I'm doing it on Windows, and it's not crashing.  I'm not gonna say any more 
though about my setup than that, for security reasons.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Eric Oyen" 
To: "[MacVisionaries]" 
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 5:42 PM
Subject: about the recent crash scripts


if anyone out here is willing to, please package these scripts as text files (I 
will see if I can use textedit to pick them apart. I would very much like to 
see how this was done so I can file a report with apple's voiceover development 
team. I am not even going to attempt to view these messages in windows (no idea 
what will happen there).

thanks.

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Re: about the recent crash scripts

[Terje Strømberg]

The message i got in this thread with empty topic, says it is from you:  Eric 
Oyen in the from field. It turned off my voice over. Interesting that this is 
possible. Second, it is very annoying. So far, the antivirus says i don’t have 
any virus.

Take care

14. feb. 2016 kl. 23:51 skrev Eric Oyen :

this almost sounds like a similar issue I get when I am trying to read a 
terminal window while it is compiling something. this begins to look a lot like 
a buffer overflow. Wonderful.

Eric

On Feb 14, 2016, at 3:44 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

> As far as anyone can tell, it's not a script or anything so complex. You just 
> type "er" a bunch of times, and you eventually cause Alex to crash. On OS X, 
> this brings VO down with it and a restart of the machine is required. On iOS, 
> simply restarting VO is enough to fix it.
>> On Feb 14, 2016, at 17:42, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>> if anyone out here is willing to, please package these scripts as text files 
>> (I will see if I can use textedit to pick them apart. I would very much like 
>> to see how this was done so I can file a report with apple's voiceover 
>> development team. I am not even going to attempt to view these messages in 
>> windows (no idea what will happen there).
>> 
>> thanks.
>> 
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Re:

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hey guys. Not only does the string effect the Mac voices like Alex, but it also 
totally crashed the Acapela voice I was using. I must have pretty bad luck, 
because I had to restart my Mac twice before all was back to normal. Lovely how 
other people like to screw with other people's machines, isn't it? A computer 
is like a car for us and it's too bad that people like to take advantage of 
that fact.

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> On Feb 14, 2016, at 4:47 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
> I will have to dig it up (again). last crash wiped that filter (g) THis 
> time, when I recreate it, I will save off the IP range in a text file.
> 
> now I have to go through this again. grrr.
> 
> I will get right back to you.
> 
> Eric
> 
> On Feb 14, 2016, at 3:37 PM, Gary wrote:
> 
>> This is happening to me too on my iMac. I’ve had to hold my power button to 
>> shutdown and then restart it.  My apple mail is fine as long as I don’t VO 
>> to the subject line or open the message.  I’ve been going to the sender 
>> column and deleting the messages.  What’s the ip of the sender to create a 
>> move to trash rule?
>> Thanks,
>> Gary
>> 
>> On Feb 14, 2016, at 4:11 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>>> ok,
>>> there seems to be some kind of malformed object, script or malicious 
>>> webpage contained in the OP/s message. Every time I tried to read it, it 
>>> would cause my screen reader (voiceover) to lock up (practically unheard of 
>>> for OS X, but there it is) and would also cause my email client to crash. I 
>>> even attempted to look at the message raw source, only to run into the same 
>>> problem once I got out of the header info. SInce there seemed to be no way 
>>> to find out what the content was, I have had to remove it from this email 
>>> response in order to let the list owners know.
>>> 
>>> Now, it could also be a problem with my version  of OS X (Lion), but to 
>>> have the same thing happen using safari web browser on my iCloud account, 
>>> and even get the same issues using other browsers (like chrome), indicates 
>>> that the issue is not on my end. So, would someone let the OP know they 
>>> have an issue?
>>> 
>>> thanks,
>>> 
>>> Eric
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Re: about the recent crash scripts

[Eric Oyen]

oh yeah. well, its not a virus string. I just got done doing a little reading 
in the crash dumps. Its a basic buffer overflow. What gets me is that it 
appears to operate across at least 2 platforms. THis means that the bug, 
itself, is in the voiceover speech engine. It also appears to happen across 
multiple versions of both OS X and iOS. THat means this has been a long running 
problem. Looks like someone over at the apple development team needs to audit 
the code.

anyway, glad the offender has been bounced.

-eric

On Feb 14, 2016, at 5:31 PM, Terje Strømberg wrote:

> The message i got in this thread with empty topic, says it is from you:  Eric 
> Oyen in the from field. It turned off my voice over. Interesting that this is 
> possible. Second, it is very annoying. So far, the antivirus says i don’t 
> have any virus.
> 
> Take care
> 
> 14. feb. 2016 kl. 23:51 skrev Eric Oyen :
> 
> this almost sounds like a similar issue I get when I am trying to read a 
> terminal window while it is compiling something. this begins to look a lot 
> like a buffer overflow. Wonderful.
> 
> Eric
> 
> On Feb 14, 2016, at 3:44 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
> 
>> As far as anyone can tell, it's not a script or anything so complex. You 
>> just type "er" a bunch of times, and you eventually cause Alex to crash. On 
>> OS X, this brings VO down with it and a restart of the machine is required. 
>> On iOS, simply restarting VO is enough to fix it.
>>> On Feb 14, 2016, at 17:42, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> if anyone out here is willing to, please package these scripts as text 
>>> files (I will see if I can use textedit to pick them apart. I would very 
>>> much like to see how this was done so I can file a report with apple's 
>>> voiceover development team. I am not even going to attempt to view these 
>>> messages in windows (no idea what will happen there).
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> 
>>> Eric
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Re: Help with message are extremely offensive

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Sabahattin, you got me curious. When I first joined this list, I was using a 
gmail account. The thing I'm curious about is that you said that the hacker was 
from Canada. I'm from Canada so do you know exactly where from Canada this 
hacker is? I abandoned that gmail account a few years ago and switched over to 
iCloud. So Chris Blouch, did you unsubscribe that Gmail account?

Shawn
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> On Feb 14, 2016, at 5:59 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> Well I reported all the posts I could find coming from the IP (which was in 
> Canada) to Google abuse, as he’s relaying through Gmail.  I don’t hold out 
> much hope for any actual remedy because Google appears to take a fairly 
> relaxed attitude to abuse complaints that don’t directly affect its 
> customers, but still.  I hope they find the poor creature and give it some 
> milk and biscuits and a loving embrace about the throat.
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