My thoughts on the Apple Public Beta Program

[christopher hallsworth]

Hi all
I now have both iOS 9 and OS X 10.11 El Capitan public beta on my devices. 
While I cannot go into the specifics, I am really liking the program which 
anyone can sign up to so long as they have an Apple ID. Note! Since this is 
prerelease software, it's not for the faint of heart.  The Feedback Assistant 
apps that come with the program is awesome! I will definitely! enrol in future 
public betas, rather than renew my developer account with Apple as I find the 
bug reporting system on there to be clunky. Not so with the public beta 
program. Best of all, the public beta program is at the right price smile.
For those like me who are adventurous, give it a shot.
Happy hacking!

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Re: My thoughts on the Apple Public Beta Program

[Sunshine]

Since it is a public beta, a person should be able to talk about what 
they find shouldn't they be able to?


On 7/31/2015 2:26 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:

Hi all
I now have both iOS 9 and OS X 10.11 El Capitan public beta on my devices. 
While I cannot go into the specifics, I am really liking the program which 
anyone can sign up to so long as they have an Apple ID. Note! Since this is 
prerelease software, it's not for the faint of heart.  The Feedback Assistant 
apps that come with the program is awesome! I will definitely! enrol in future 
public betas, rather than renew my developer account with Apple as I find the 
bug reporting system on there to be clunky. Not so with the public beta 
program. Best of all, the public beta program is at the right price smile.
For those like me who are adventurous, give it a shot.
Happy hacking!




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Re: My thoughts on the Apple Public Beta Program

[venky . 92]

I have been thinking about signing up for the beta program for a while now. If 
I install a public beta of iOS 9, will I be able to roll back to iOS 8? Will my 
iPhone backups, made with iOS 9 be backwards compatible with iOS 8 if I 
rollback?
Thank you

Sent from my iPhone

> On 31-Jul-2015, at 12:56 pm, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> I now have both iOS 9 and OS X 10.11 El Capitan public beta on my devices. 
> While I cannot go into the specifics, I am really liking the program which 
> anyone can sign up to so long as they have an Apple ID. Note! Since this is 
> prerelease software, it's not for the faint of heart.  The Feedback Assistant 
> apps that come with the program is awesome! I will definitely! enrol in 
> future public betas, rather than renew my developer account with Apple as I 
> find the bug reporting system on there to be clunky. Not so with the public 
> beta program. Best of all, the public beta program is at the right price 
> smile.
> For those like me who are adventurous, give it a shot.
> Happy hacking!
> 
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Re: My thoughts on the Apple Public Beta Program

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello,

You should examine why you want to use beta software. If you have one device 
that is vital to be working at all time then don’t install beta software. Too 
many people are complaining about problems with beta software but they signed 
up to put up with bugs and report them to Apple so that we don’t have those 
problems when it is formally released. If you have the time to give to Apple 
and a spare device to test beta software then I guess we’ll all benefit from 
your input. But if it is to meet your desire then you are doing it for the 
wrong reasons.

Do not sign up if your concerned about having to roll back.

Gena


> On 31 Jul 2015, at 09:32, venky...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I have been thinking about signing up for the beta program for a while now. 
> If I install a public beta of iOS 9, will I be able to roll back to iOS 8? 
> Will my iPhone backups, made with iOS 9 be backwards compatible with iOS 8 if 
> I rollback?
> Thank you
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 31-Jul-2015, at 12:56 pm, christopher hallsworth 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all
>> I now have both iOS 9 and OS X 10.11 El Capitan public beta on my devices. 
>> While I cannot go into the specifics, I am really liking the program which 
>> anyone can sign up to so long as they have an Apple ID. Note! Since this is 
>> prerelease software, it's not for the faint of heart.  The Feedback 
>> Assistant apps that come with the program is awesome! I will definitely! 
>> enrol in future public betas, rather than renew my developer account with 
>> Apple as I find the bug reporting system on there to be clunky. Not so with 
>> the public beta program. Best of all, the public beta program is at the 
>> right price smile.
>> For those like me who are adventurous, give it a shot.
>> Happy hacking!
>> 
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Re: playroom

[Piotr Machacz]

The playroom web client works an awful lot like the Windows app, down to the 
various hotkeys. If you’ve never used that before, when you log in and access 
the web client, you should get a welcome message and you should be placed in a 
menu of a few buttons that you can navigate with the up and down arrow keys. 
The first option here should be “create a new table”, while join will be the 
next in case you want to play on someone else table. One more thing that could 
be worth looking at is the options menu, where you can enable “browser speech”. 
This makes most messages, except the interface, to be spoken using the web 
speech api instead of an aria live region. This seems to work better than just 
using VoiceOver’s live region support as it doesn’t interrupt itself.

> On 31 Jul 2015, at 08:22, May McDonald  wrote:
> 
> Usually the option to create a room is the first option as soon as I log onto 
> the client.
> 
>> On Jul 30, 2015, at 10:55 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't see anything about how to create a game.  Wonder if Ihave something 
>> disabled?
>> Jim
>> 
>>> On Jul 30, 2015, at 4:10 PM, May McDonald  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, I just started playing there.
>>> 
>>> If you've already created the game then if you press tab it should put you 
>>> in the game section and there will be a lot of buttons and the first will 
>>> be start game.
>>> 
>>> Let me know if you need more help. It's harder to explain how to do it via 
>>> email, but will try unless someone else can better. As I said I just 
>>> started playing so don't know all the hot keys yet.
>>> 
 On Jul 30, 2015, at 4:03 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
 
 Hi Does anybody play games on Quentin c's playroom with safari on a mac 
 and if so how do you start a game?
 Jim
 
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Re: word count in text edit

[Ray Foret Jr]

I have a widgit which does that for me quite nicely.  Just google and it should 
come right up.

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> On Jul 30, 2015, at 11:44 PM, Nicholas Parsons 
>  wrote:
> 
> You can find and download the script from this website 
> .
> 
>> On 31 Jul 2015, at 2:10 pm, sadam.li...@gmail.com 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jim, 
>> 
>> Is this app available from the Mac App Store? 
>> 
>> Thanks, 
>> 
>> Sadam 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 31 Jul 2015, at 1:38 pm, Jim Gatteys >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> If you look for an app called word service it will let you install several 
>>> services that work with many applications and one of them is a word count 
>>> service.  Also sorting is another handy service that I use quite a bit.
>>> Jim
>>> 
 On Jul 30, 2015, at 10:23 PM, Gabe Griffith >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Is there a way to get a word count for files in text edit? I've looked in 
 the menus and am not seeing anything.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Gabe
 
 
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Re: My thoughts on the Apple Public Beta Program

[Ray Foret Jr]

No.  Even with public beta testing, we who are doing it are strictly precluded 
from publicly discussing what it is we are finding.  So it plainly says when 
you sign up for it.  I would, for my part, encourage you and all others who can 
to do so.  That's all I can say right now until the day Apple publicly releases 
these packages.  Let the careful reader of my words decipher what can be 
deciphered.


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> On Jul 31, 2015, at 2:57 AM, Sunshine  wrote:
> 
> Since it is a public beta, a person should be able to talk about what they 
> find shouldn't they be able to?
> 
> On 7/31/2015 2:26 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
>> Hi all
>> I now have both iOS 9 and OS X 10.11 El Capitan public beta on my devices. 
>> While I cannot go into the specifics, I am really liking the program which 
>> anyone can sign up to so long as they have an Apple ID. Note! Since this is 
>> prerelease software, it's not for the faint of heart.  The Feedback 
>> Assistant apps that come with the program is awesome! I will definitely! 
>> enrol in future public betas, rather than renew my developer account with 
>> Apple as I find the bug reporting system on there to be clunky. Not so with 
>> the public beta program. Best of all, the public beta program is at the 
>> right price smile.
>> For those like me who are adventurous, give it a shot.
>> Happy hacking!
>> 
> 
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Re: My thoughts on the Apple Public Beta Program

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
THe only thing i found to be very strange is that the feedback assistant seems 
to complain about missing attached files even if you have attached them.
I don’t know if its me doing something wrong or if its a bug in the feedback 
assistant itself.
/A
> 31 juli 2015 kl. 09:26 skrev christopher hallsworth :
> 
> Hi all
> I now have both iOS 9 and OS X 10.11 El Capitan public beta on my devices. 
> While I cannot go into the specifics, I am really liking the program which 
> anyone can sign up to so long as they have an Apple ID. Note! Since this is 
> prerelease software, it's not for the faint of heart.  The Feedback Assistant 
> apps that come with the program is awesome! I will definitely! enrol in 
> future public betas, rather than renew my developer account with Apple as I 
> find the bug reporting system on there to be clunky. Not so with the public 
> beta program. Best of all, the public beta program is at the right price 
> smile.
> For those like me who are adventurous, give it a shot.
> Happy hacking!
> 
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Re: playroom

[Donna Goodin]

How does one access this client?  I've not heard of it before.
Donna
> On Jul 31, 2015, at 4:06 AM, Piotr Machacz  wrote:
> 
> The playroom web client works an awful lot like the Windows app, down to the 
> various hotkeys. If you’ve never used that before, when you log in and access 
> the web client, you should get a welcome message and you should be placed in 
> a menu of a few buttons that you can navigate with the up and down arrow 
> keys. The first option here should be “create a new table”, while join will 
> be the next in case you want to play on someone else table. One more thing 
> that could be worth looking at is the options menu, where you can enable 
> “browser speech”. This makes most messages, except the interface, to be 
> spoken using the web speech api instead of an aria live region. This seems to 
> work better than just using VoiceOver’s live region support as it doesn’t 
> interrupt itself.
> 
>> On 31 Jul 2015, at 08:22, May McDonald  wrote:
>> 
>> Usually the option to create a room is the first option as soon as I log 
>> onto the client.
>> 
>>> On Jul 30, 2015, at 10:55 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't see anything about how to create a game.  Wonder if Ihave something 
>>> disabled?
>>> Jim
>>> 
 On Jul 30, 2015, at 4:10 PM, May McDonald  wrote:
 
 Yes, I just started playing there.
 
 If you've already created the game then if you press tab it should put you 
 in the game section and there will be a lot of buttons and the first will 
 be start game.
 
 Let me know if you need more help. It's harder to explain how to do it via 
 email, but will try unless someone else can better. As I said I just 
 started playing so don't know all the hot keys yet.
 
> On Jul 30, 2015, at 4:03 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
> 
> Hi Does anybody play games on Quentin c's playroom with safari on a mac 
> and if so how do you start a game?
> Jim
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Re: backspacing

[Phil Halton]

Somewhere in voiceover utility there is a setting that controls what voiceover 
will speak as the cursor moves. The state the setting can be set to speak the 
character you just passed over, or the character that you are about to pass 
over. Find that setting and you'll probably be able to correct your problem.

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> On Jul 30, 2015, at 8:57 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
> 
> When I had my White Macbook with lion on it, I had somehow set things so that 
> when I backspaced it would take out the character that I’d just put in.
> How do I fix this on my macbook air?
> 
> Blessings,
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Re: My thoughts on the Apple Public Beta Program

[Blee Blat]

I will not be enrolling in future betas most likely for the simple reason that 
although the beta program is good they ship developers different betas than the 
public which makes no sense to me at all! Never mind that I still don't 
understand why people are hesitant to discuss public beta software when it's 
actually public already and everyone can use it. Sure the final releases may or 
may not have all the features but still I don't get that restriction. Otherwise 
it's a good service and I'm glad I can make a list of all the things I need to 
turn off before I ruin a perfectly new phone's battery with these data tracking 
features so I'll thank them for that. :)

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reclaiming space on hard drive

[Pablo Sandoval]

Hi everyone,
I’ve just noticed the usage on my Mac HD is getting more full than I like.
I’ve just deleted several gigs of data, and I am not seeing the space freed up 
like I expected. Only a couple hundred megs freed up. I have emptied the trash, 
and am not sure what I need to do to see this newly emptied space.
I’ve even restarted the Mac to see if something was hanging.
Any advice is appreciated.
Thank you.

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Re: backspacing

[Stacey Robinson]

Where is this setting?

Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net 
> On Jul 31, 2015, at 9:19 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> Somewhere in voiceover utility there is a setting that controls what 
> voiceover will speak as the cursor moves. The state the setting can be set to 
> speak the character you just passed over, or the character that you are about 
> to pass over. Find that setting and you'll probably be able to correct your 
> problem.
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> Sent from my IPhone
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>> When I had my White Macbook with lion on it, I had somehow set things so 
>> that when I backspaced it would take out the character that I’d just put in.
>> How do I fix this on my macbook air?
>> 
>> Blessings,
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Re: backspacing

[Stacey Robinson]

Phil,
I can’t figure out which box to check or uncheck?

Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net 
> On Jul 31, 2015, at 9:19 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
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> Somewhere in voiceover utility there is a setting that controls what 
> voiceover will speak as the cursor moves. The state the setting can be set to 
> speak the character you just passed over, or the character that you are about 
> to pass over. Find that setting and you'll probably be able to correct your 
> problem.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
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>> When I had my White Macbook with lion on it, I had somehow set things so 
>> that when I backspaced it would take out the character that I’d just put in.
>> How do I fix this on my macbook air?
>> 
>> Blessings,
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
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Re: how to get maps from humanware for trekker breeze downloaded

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Do you know the URL of the download? I don't have any experience with 
the device but you should be able to FTP down files from anywhere.


CB

On 7/30/15 5:52 PM, Scott Berry wrote:

Hello there,

I was wondering can anyone tell me how to use Safari to get files from an ftp 
site to download.  I have the maps for the Trekker Breeze which I need to get.  
I tried Command plus Option Plus M and looking for a download option off the 
submenu and I also tried dragging and dropping yhr mspd sonf yhsy fit not eotk 
riyhrt.  Any suggestions would be helpful.




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Re: reclaiming space on hard drive

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If you open the trash, is there still anything in it?

CB

On 7/31/15 10:43 AM, Pablo Sandoval wrote:

Hi everyone,
I’ve just noticed the usage on my Mac HD is getting more full than I like.
I’ve just deleted several gigs of data, and I am not seeing the space freed up 
like I expected. Only a couple hundred megs freed up. I have emptied the trash, 
and am not sure what I need to do to see this newly emptied space.
I’ve even restarted the Mac to see if something was hanging.
Any advice is appreciated.
Thank you.



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Re: reclaiming space on hard drive

[Pablo Sandoval]

No it is empty.

> On Jul 31, 2015, at 10:00 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
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> If you open the trash, is there still anything in it?
> 
> CB
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>> Hi everyone,
>> I’ve just noticed the usage on my Mac HD is getting more full than I like.
>> I’ve just deleted several gigs of data, and I am not seeing the space freed 
>> up like I expected. Only a couple hundred megs freed up. I have emptied the 
>> trash, and am not sure what I need to do to see this newly emptied space.
>> I’ve even restarted the Mac to see if something was hanging.
>> Any advice is appreciated.
>> Thank you.
>> 
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Re: reclaiming space on hard drive

[eileen . misrahi]

Hello,

Have you tried a disk cleaner such as Disk Doctor (free!, Quick Cleaner (free)? 
Just a thought.

Best,
Eileen

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 31, 2015, at 9:06 AM, Pablo Sandoval  wrote:
> 
> No it is empty.
> 
>> On Jul 31, 2015, at 10:00 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> If you open the trash, is there still anything in it?
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>>> On 7/31/15 10:43 AM, Pablo Sandoval wrote:
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> I’ve just noticed the usage on my Mac HD is getting more full than I like.
>>> I’ve just deleted several gigs of data, and I am not seeing the space freed 
>>> up like I expected. Only a couple hundred megs freed up. I have emptied the 
>>> trash, and am not sure what I need to do to see this newly emptied space.
>>> I’ve even restarted the Mac to see if something was hanging.
>>> Any advice is appreciated.
>>> Thank you.
>>> 
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Trying to delete contact, but it is still stubbornly showing up in email address book

[Christine Grassman]

Good day/night all:

I have (apparently) deleted a particular contact from both my iPhone and 
MacBook’s Contacts. Presumably, having done so, iCloud will sync the change 
properly.  However, when I start typing in the email address of the recently 
deleted contact, it is still popping up, complete with the name of the contact 
I designated. I want to ensure it is completely deleted, because the person is 
not receiving my emails, even though the email address is correct, I and she 
are reliably receiving emails from others, and emails sent to her and copied to 
others are getting through to the others.  We cannot fathom why I can receive 
emails from her, but she cannot receive them from me. Someone did check to 
ensure she did not inadvertently block my email address.
Please help. I frequently need to send her emails. This is both a problem on my 
MacBook Air and iPhone. When I do a search of Contacts, her information is 
gone. I am at a loss.
Christine

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Re: reclaiming space on hard drive

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Odd. Then your free space should reflect those files being gone. One 
handy way to figure out where you space went is to open your hard drive, 
make sure you are in list view (command+2) and then go to View Options 
(command-J). That pops up a window with extra options checkboxes. At the 
bottom of that list of checkboxes is one that says Calculate all sizes. 
Check that one and then command ~ to jump back to your list view of the 
hard drive and there will be a Size column. Usually for folders the size 
is just "--" but the Mac will start totaling up all the files and 
replace those "--" with actual numbers. You can then start to focus on 
the folders with the most space used and start to drill down to figure 
out what's using the most space. The Calculate all sizes beats on your 
hard drive making (ad updating) all those totals so when you're done 
you'll want to turn that back off. My Applications folder is 71GB while 
my OSX 10.10.4 system is only 11GB. I would expect the bulk of the 
deletable stuff to be either apps you no longer need or stuff under 
Users/youraccountnamefolder.


CB

On 7/31/15 12:06 PM, Pablo Sandoval wrote:

No it is empty.


On Jul 31, 2015, at 10:00 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

If you open the trash, is there still anything in it?

CB

On 7/31/15 10:43 AM, Pablo Sandoval wrote:

Hi everyone,
I’ve just noticed the usage on my Mac HD is getting more full than I like.
I’ve just deleted several gigs of data, and I am not seeing the space freed up 
like I expected. Only a couple hundred megs freed up. I have emptied the trash, 
and am not sure what I need to do to see this newly emptied space.
I’ve even restarted the Mac to see if something was hanging.
Any advice is appreciated.
Thank you.


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RE: Trying to delete contact, but it is still stubbornly showing up in email address book

[george b]

Open mail and a new email
Type in the name  and select the one you want to at this time send a mail to
Now when selecttedinteract and do a command a to select all and then hit the 
backspace and it should disappear from the to edit field and stop interacting 
with the edit field
Close mail and re open and new mail and test it should be gone

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On Behalf Of Christine Grassman
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 09:21
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Trying to delete contact, but it is still stubbornly showing up in 
email address book

Good day/night all:

I have (apparently) deleted a particular contact from both my iPhone and 
MacBook’s Contacts. Presumably, having done so, iCloud will sync the change 
properly.  However, when I start typing in the email address of the recently 
deleted contact, it is still popping up, complete with the name of the contact 
I designated. I want to ensure it is completely deleted, because the person is 
not receiving my emails, even though the email address is correct, I and she 
are reliably receiving emails from others, and emails sent to her and copied to 
others are getting through to the others.  We cannot fathom why I can receive 
emails from her, but she cannot receive them from me. Someone did check to 
ensure she did not inadvertently block my email address.
Please help. I frequently need to send her emails. This is both a problem on my 
MacBook Air and iPhone. When I do a search of Contacts, her information is 
gone. I am at a loss.
Christine

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Re: Trying to delete contact, but it is still stubbornly showing up in email address book

[Christine Grassman]

I tried several times, but it is still showing up. Very frustrating.
Christine

> On Jul 31, 2015, at 12:26 PM, george b  wrote:
> 
> Open mail and a new email
> Type in the name  and select the one you want to at this time send a mail to
> Now when selecttedinteract and do a command a to select all and then hit the 
> backspace and it should disappear from the to edit field and stop interacting 
> with the edit field
> Close mail and re open and new mail and test it should be gone
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christine Grassman
> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 09:21
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Trying to delete contact, but it is still stubbornly showing up in 
> email address book
> 
> Good day/night all:
> 
> I have (apparently) deleted a particular contact from both my iPhone and 
> MacBook’s Contacts. Presumably, having done so, iCloud will sync the change 
> properly.  However, when I start typing in the email address of the recently 
> deleted contact, it is still popping up, complete with the name of the 
> contact I designated. I want to ensure it is completely deleted, because the 
> person is not receiving my emails, even though the email address is correct, 
> I and she are reliably receiving emails from others, and emails sent to her 
> and copied to others are getting through to the others.  We cannot fathom why 
> I can receive emails from her, but she cannot receive them from me. Someone 
> did check to ensure she did not inadvertently block my email address.
> Please help. I frequently need to send her emails. This is both a problem on 
> my MacBook Air and iPhone. When I do a search of Contacts, her information is 
> gone. I am at a loss.
> Christine
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Re: playroom

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hey Donna. To access the Playroom web client, go to http://www.qcsalon.net and 
there should be a link to access the web client. And to the person that gave 
the suggestion to use the speech function of the web client, I actually used it 
for the first time and I found a problem. The speech is too fast for my liking 
and I found no way to adjust this. When I look in system preferences, the rate 
of speech is set to what I want it to be so I know it has nothing to do with 
that. So my question is, is there a way to set speech rate in Safari or will I 
have to live with the too fast speech rate?

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
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Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

> On Jul 31, 2015, at 7:51 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> How does one access this client?  I've not heard of it before.
> Donna
>> On Jul 31, 2015, at 4:06 AM, Piotr Machacz  wrote:
>> 
>> The playroom web client works an awful lot like the Windows app, down to the 
>> various hotkeys. If you’ve never used that before, when you log in and 
>> access the web client, you should get a welcome message and you should be 
>> placed in a menu of a few buttons that you can navigate with the up and down 
>> arrow keys. The first option here should be “create a new table”, while join 
>> will be the next in case you want to play on someone else table. One more 
>> thing that could be worth looking at is the options menu, where you can 
>> enable “browser speech”. This makes most messages, except the interface, to 
>> be spoken using the web speech api instead of an aria live region. This 
>> seems to work better than just using VoiceOver’s live region support as it 
>> doesn’t interrupt itself.
>> 
>>> On 31 Jul 2015, at 08:22, May McDonald  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Usually the option to create a room is the first option as soon as I log 
>>> onto the client.
>>> 
 On Jul 30, 2015, at 10:55 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
 
 I don't see anything about how to create a game.  Wonder if Ihave 
 something disabled?
 Jim
 
> On Jul 30, 2015, at 4:10 PM, May McDonald  wrote:
> 
> Yes, I just started playing there.
> 
> If you've already created the game then if you press tab it should put 
> you in the game section and there will be a lot of buttons and the first 
> will be start game.
> 
> Let me know if you need more help. It's harder to explain how to do it 
> via email, but will try unless someone else can better. As I said I just 
> started playing so don't know all the hot keys yet.
> 
>> On Jul 30, 2015, at 4:03 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Does anybody play games on Quentin c's playroom with safari on a mac 
>> and if so how do you start a game?
>> Jim
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Re: My thoughts on the Apple Public Beta Program

[Joe Quinn]

it may not make sense, but that's the way it is. NDA, and all that. in spite of 
it being public, ya still can't talk about it publically. now if something's 
released about IOS 9 from apple, then it can be discussed. I think that's the 
same for things that're released elsewhere. for instance cool blind tech did an 
overview of what is going to be in iOS 9. maybe they shouldn't've done that, 
NDA again, but they did.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 31, 2015, at 9:37 AM, Blee Blat  wrote:
> 
> I will not be enrolling in future betas most likely for the simple reason 
> that although the beta program is good they ship developers different betas 
> than the public which makes no sense to me at all! Never mind that I still 
> don't understand why people are hesitant to discuss public beta software when 
> it's actually public already and everyone can use it. Sure the final releases 
> may or may not have all the features but still I don't get that restriction. 
> Otherwise it's a good service and I'm glad I can make a list of all the 
> things I need to turn off before I ruin a perfectly new phone's battery with 
> these data tracking features so I'll thank them for that. :)
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Re: reclaiming space on hard drive

[Pablo Sandoval]

Ok, so I’ve downloaded and ran “Disk Doctor” as suggested by a lister. 
I’ve also enabled “calculate all sizes” and my applications folder is 17.28gb, 
Libraries is 5.17gb, system folder is 9.81gb, and my users folder is 17.43gb. 
Total space used should be down around 50gb, any ideas guys/gals?
I’m still showing 81gb used.
Any ideas?


 
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>  wrote:
> 
> Odd. Then your free space should reflect those files being gone. One handy 
> way to figure out where you space went is to open your hard drive, make sure 
> you are in list view (command+2) and then go to View Options (command-J). 
> That pops up a window with extra options checkboxes. At the bottom of that 
> list of checkboxes is one that says Calculate all sizes. Check that one and 
> then command ~ to jump back to your list view of the hard drive and there 
> will be a Size column. Usually for folders the size is just "--" but the Mac 
> will start totaling up all the files and replace those "--" with actual 
> numbers. You can then start to focus on the folders with the most space used 
> and start to drill down to figure out what's using the most space. The 
> Calculate all sizes beats on your hard drive making (ad updating) all those 
> totals so when you're done you'll want to turn that back off. My Applications 
> folder is 71GB while my OSX 10.10.4 system is only 11GB. I would expect the 
> bulk of the deletable stuff to be either apps you no longer need or stuff 
> under Users/youraccountnamefolder.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 7/31/15 12:06 PM, Pablo Sandoval wrote:
>> No it is empty.
>> 
>>> On Jul 31, 2015, at 10:00 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If you open the trash, is there still anything in it?
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 7/31/15 10:43 AM, Pablo Sandoval wrote:
 Hi everyone,
 I’ve just noticed the usage on my Mac HD is getting more full than I like.
 I’ve just deleted several gigs of data, and I am not seeing the space 
 freed up like I expected. Only a couple hundred megs freed up. I have 
 emptied the trash, and am not sure what I need to do to see this newly 
 emptied space.
 I’ve even restarted the Mac to see if something was hanging.
 Any advice is appreciated.
 Thank you.
 
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Re: My thoughts on the Apple Public Beta Program

[Chris]

Hi
I didn't have this problem this morning, I may do in subsequent 
submissions we'll see. Are you on the latest public beta?


On 31/07/2015 12:41, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
THe only thing i found to be very strange is that the feedback assistant seems 
to complain about missing attached files even if you have attached them.
I don’t know if its me doing something wrong or if its a bug in the feedback 
assistant itself.
/A

31 juli 2015 kl. 09:26 skrev christopher hallsworth :

Hi all
I now have both iOS 9 and OS X 10.11 El Capitan public beta on my devices. 
While I cannot go into the specifics, I am really liking the program which 
anyone can sign up to so long as they have an Apple ID. Note! Since this is 
prerelease software, it's not for the faint of heart.  The Feedback Assistant 
apps that come with the program is awesome! I will definitely! enrol in future 
public betas, rather than renew my developer account with Apple as I find the 
bug reporting system on there to be clunky. Not so with the public beta 
program. Best of all, the public beta program is at the right price smile.
For those like me who are adventurous, give it a shot.
Happy hacking!

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Re: My thoughts on the Apple Public Beta Program

[Chris]

Hi
No, go to
beta.apple.com
and read their FAQ very carefully. In there they answer what you can and 
cannot do in the public beta program.


On 31/07/2015 08:57, Sunshine wrote:

Since it is a public beta, a person should be able to talk about what
they find shouldn't they be able to?

On 7/31/2015 2:26 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:

Hi all
I now have both iOS 9 and OS X 10.11 El Capitan public beta on my
devices. While I cannot go into the specifics, I am really liking the
program which anyone can sign up to so long as they have an Apple ID.
Note! Since this is prerelease software, it's not for the faint of
heart.  The Feedback Assistant apps that come with the program is
awesome! I will definitely! enrol in future public betas, rather than
renew my developer account with Apple as I find the bug reporting
system on there to be clunky. Not so with the public beta program.
Best of all, the public beta program is at the right price smile.
For those like me who are adventurous, give it a shot.
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Re: Trying to delete contact, but it is still stubbornly showing up in email address book

['Colin Matthews' via MacVisionaries]

Hi!
OK when in mail press either VO+m or Control+f2 to get to the menu.
Then W to get to the window menu then arrow down to Previous Recipients and 
press enter.
You should end up in a edit field just arrow right and you should find a table 
of all people you've emailed go in to it and just press delete on any you do 
not wish to keep!
HTH Colin
> On 31 Jul 2015, at 18:23, Christine Grassman  wrote:
> 
> I tried several times, but it is still showing up. Very frustrating.
> Christine
> 
>> On Jul 31, 2015, at 12:26 PM, george b  wrote:
>> 
>> Open mail and a new email
>> Type in the name  and select the one you want to at this time send a mail to
>> Now when selected interact and do a command a to select all and then hit the 
>> backspace and it should disappear from the to edit field and stop 
>> interacting with the edit field
>> Close mail and re open and new mail and test it should be gone
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christine Grassman
>> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 09:21
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Trying to delete contact, but it is still stubbornly showing up in 
>> email address book
>> 
>> Good day/night all:
>> 
>> I have (apparently) deleted a particular contact from both my iPhone and 
>> MacBook’s Contacts. Presumably, having done so, iCloud will sync the change 
>> properly.  However, when I start typing in the email address of the recently 
>> deleted contact, it is still popping up, complete with the name of the 
>> contact I designated. I want to ensure it is completely deleted, because the 
>> person is not receiving my emails, even though the email address is correct, 
>> I and she are reliably receiving emails from others, and emails sent to her 
>> and copied to others are getting through to the others.  We cannot fathom 
>> why I can receive emails from her, but she cannot receive them from me. 
>> Someone did check to ensure she did not inadvertently block my email address.
>> Please help. I frequently need to send her emails. This is both a problem on 
>> my MacBook Air and iPhone. When I do a search of Contacts, her information 
>> is gone. I am at a loss.
>> Christine
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Re: reclaiming space on hard drive

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

That's not bad at all. There are some hidden things that can take up 
space. How are you finding the free space count? There are a few hidden 
things that can still throw off the overall math. The recovery partition 
and such take about 1GB. I have a hidden folder called MobileBackups 
which is about 1GB. If you're using MacPorts or the like your /opt and 
/private folders can be a dozen or so GB.


CB

On 7/31/15 2:39 PM, Pablo Sandoval wrote:

Ok, so I’ve downloaded and ran “Disk Doctor” as suggested by a lister.
I’ve also enabled “calculate all sizes” and my applications folder is 17.28gb, 
Libraries is 5.17gb, system folder is 9.81gb, and my users folder is 17.43gb. 
Total space used should be down around 50gb, any ideas guys/gals?
I’m still showing 81gb used.
Any ideas?


  

On Jul 31, 2015, at 10:25 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Odd. Then your free space should reflect those files being gone. One handy way to figure out where 
you space went is to open your hard drive, make sure you are in list view (command+2) and then go 
to View Options (command-J). That pops up a window with extra options checkboxes. At the bottom of 
that list of checkboxes is one that says Calculate all sizes. Check that one and then command ~ to 
jump back to your list view of the hard drive and there will be a Size column. Usually for folders 
the size is just "--" but the Mac will start totaling up all the files and replace those 
"--" with actual numbers. You can then start to focus on the folders with the most space 
used and start to drill down to figure out what's using the most space. The Calculate all sizes 
beats on your hard drive making (ad updating) all those totals so when you're done you'll want to 
turn that back off. My Applications folder is 71GB while my OSX 10.10.4 system is only 11GB. I 
would expect the bulk of the deletable stuff to be either apps you no longer need or stuff under 
Users/youraccountnamefolder.

CB

On 7/31/15 12:06 PM, Pablo Sandoval wrote:

No it is empty.


On Jul 31, 2015, at 10:00 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

If you open the trash, is there still anything in it?

CB

On 7/31/15 10:43 AM, Pablo Sandoval wrote:

Hi everyone,
I’ve just noticed the usage on my Mac HD is getting more full than I like.
I’ve just deleted several gigs of data, and I am not seeing the space freed up 
like I expected. Only a couple hundred megs freed up. I have emptied the trash, 
and am not sure what I need to do to see this newly emptied space.
I’ve even restarted the Mac to see if something was hanging.
Any advice is appreciated.
Thank you.


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Re: playroom

[May McDonald]

I haven't tried the speech function. I just use regular voiceover and how my 
settings are works fine. So just try with your regular settings?

> On Jul 31, 2015, at 2:14 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Hey Donna. To access the Playroom web client, go to http://www.qcsalon.net 
> and there should be a link to access the web client. And to the person that 
> gave the suggestion to use the speech function of the web client, I actually 
> used it for the first time and I found a problem. The speech is too fast for 
> my liking and I found no way to adjust this. When I look in system 
> preferences, the rate of speech is set to what I want it to be so I know it 
> has nothing to do with that. So my question is, is there a way to set speech 
> rate in Safari or will I have to live with the too fast speech rate?
> 
> Shawn
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> 
>> On Jul 31, 2015, at 7:51 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> How does one access this client?  I've not heard of it before.
>> Donna
>>> On Jul 31, 2015, at 4:06 AM, Piotr Machacz  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The playroom web client works an awful lot like the Windows app, down to 
>>> the various hotkeys. If you’ve never used that before, when you log in and 
>>> access the web client, you should get a welcome message and you should be 
>>> placed in a menu of a few buttons that you can navigate with the up and 
>>> down arrow keys. The first option here should be “create a new table”, 
>>> while join will be the next in case you want to play on someone else table. 
>>> One more thing that could be worth looking at is the options menu, where 
>>> you can enable “browser speech”. This makes most messages, except the 
>>> interface, to be spoken using the web speech api instead of an aria live 
>>> region. This seems to work better than just using VoiceOver’s live region 
>>> support as it doesn’t interrupt itself.
>>> 
 On 31 Jul 2015, at 08:22, May McDonald  wrote:
 
 Usually the option to create a room is the first option as soon as I log 
 onto the client.
 
> On Jul 30, 2015, at 10:55 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
> 
> I don't see anything about how to create a game.  Wonder if Ihave 
> something disabled?
> Jim
> 
>> On Jul 30, 2015, at 4:10 PM, May McDonald  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, I just started playing there.
>> 
>> If you've already created the game then if you press tab it should put 
>> you in the game section and there will be a lot of buttons and the first 
>> will be start game.
>> 
>> Let me know if you need more help. It's harder to explain how to do it 
>> via email, but will try unless someone else can better. As I said I just 
>> started playing so don't know all the hot keys yet.
>> 
>>> On Jul 30, 2015, at 4:03 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Does anybody play games on Quentin c's playroom with safari on a mac 
>>> and if so how do you start a game?
>>> Jim
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Re: playroom

[Donna Goodin]

Thanks, Shawn. I found it.  haven't decided yet whether to play, I have many of 
those games on my phone, so am not sure how often I would play them on the Mac. 
 But thanks for the link, I'll hang onto it just incase.
Best,
Donna

> On Jul 31, 2015, at 1:14 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Hey Donna. To access the Playroom web client, go to http://www.qcsalon.net 
> and there should be a link to access the web client. And to the person that 
> gave the suggestion to use the speech function of the web client, I actually 
> used it for the first time and I found a problem. The speech is too fast for 
> my liking and I found no way to adjust this. When I look in system 
> preferences, the rate of speech is set to what I want it to be so I know it 
> has nothing to do with that. So my question is, is there a way to set speech 
> rate in Safari or will I have to live with the too fast speech rate?
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
>> On Jul 31, 2015, at 7:51 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> How does one access this client?  I've not heard of it before.
>> Donna
>>> On Jul 31, 2015, at 4:06 AM, Piotr Machacz  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The playroom web client works an awful lot like the Windows app, down to 
>>> the various hotkeys. If you’ve never used that before, when you log in and 
>>> access the web client, you should get a welcome message and you should be 
>>> placed in a menu of a few buttons that you can navigate with the up and 
>>> down arrow keys. The first option here should be “create a new table”, 
>>> while join will be the next in case you want to play on someone else table. 
>>> One more thing that could be worth looking at is the options menu, where 
>>> you can enable “browser speech”. This makes most messages, except the 
>>> interface, to be spoken using the web speech api instead of an aria live 
>>> region. This seems to work better than just using VoiceOver’s live region 
>>> support as it doesn’t interrupt itself.
>>> 
 On 31 Jul 2015, at 08:22, May McDonald  wrote:
 
 Usually the option to create a room is the first option as soon as I log 
 onto the client.
 
> On Jul 30, 2015, at 10:55 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
> 
> I don't see anything about how to create a game.  Wonder if Ihave 
> something disabled?
> Jim
> 
>> On Jul 30, 2015, at 4:10 PM, May McDonald  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, I just started playing there.
>> 
>> If you've already created the game then if you press tab it should put 
>> you in the game section and there will be a lot of buttons and the first 
>> will be start game.
>> 
>> Let me know if you need more help. It's harder to explain how to do it 
>> via email, but will try unless someone else can better. As I said I just 
>> started playing so don't know all the hot keys yet.
>> 
>>> On Jul 30, 2015, at 4:03 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Does anybody play games on Quentin c's playroom with safari on a mac 
>>> and if so how do you start a game?
>>> Jim
>>> 
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Re: playroom

[Piotr Machacz]

Hi Shawn,
That’s funny, because I have the opposite problem, the speech is much too slow 
for my liking, especially if I’m playing with people who are very quick at 
taking their turn. Anyway, I have posted to the forum suggesting that a speed 
control be added, so if you’d like to reply and say it would be useful, the 
post is at http://qcsalon.net/en/forum6/topic9756


> On 31 Jul 2015, at 20:14, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Hey Donna. To access the Playroom web client, go to http://www.qcsalon.net 
> and there should be a link to access the web client. And to the person that 
> gave the suggestion to use the speech function of the web client, I actually 
> used it for the first time and I found a problem. The speech is too fast for 
> my liking and I found no way to adjust this. When I look in system 
> preferences, the rate of speech is set to what I want it to be so I know it 
> has nothing to do with that. So my question is, is there a way to set speech 
> rate in Safari or will I have to live with the too fast speech rate?
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
>> On Jul 31, 2015, at 7:51 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> How does one access this client?  I've not heard of it before.
>> Donna
>>> On Jul 31, 2015, at 4:06 AM, Piotr Machacz  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The playroom web client works an awful lot like the Windows app, down to 
>>> the various hotkeys. If you’ve never used that before, when you log in and 
>>> access the web client, you should get a welcome message and you should be 
>>> placed in a menu of a few buttons that you can navigate with the up and 
>>> down arrow keys. The first option here should be “create a new table”, 
>>> while join will be the next in case you want to play on someone else table. 
>>> One more thing that could be worth looking at is the options menu, where 
>>> you can enable “browser speech”. This makes most messages, except the 
>>> interface, to be spoken using the web speech api instead of an aria live 
>>> region. This seems to work better than just using VoiceOver’s live region 
>>> support as it doesn’t interrupt itself.
>>> 
 On 31 Jul 2015, at 08:22, May McDonald  wrote:
 
 Usually the option to create a room is the first option as soon as I log 
 onto the client.
 
> On Jul 30, 2015, at 10:55 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
> 
> I don't see anything about how to create a game.  Wonder if Ihave 
> something disabled?
> Jim
> 
>> On Jul 30, 2015, at 4:10 PM, May McDonald  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, I just started playing there.
>> 
>> If you've already created the game then if you press tab it should put 
>> you in the game section and there will be a lot of buttons and the first 
>> will be start game.
>> 
>> Let me know if you need more help. It's harder to explain how to do it 
>> via email, but will try unless someone else can better. As I said I just 
>> started playing so don't know all the hot keys yet.
>> 
>>> On Jul 30, 2015, at 4:03 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Does anybody play games on Quentin c's playroom with safari on a mac 
>>> and if so how do you start a game?
>>> Jim
>>> 
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Here Are Two Ways of Disabling The Built-in Trackpad on your MacBook Computer

[M. Taylor]

Hello All, 

There are some MacBook users who prefer, for whatever reason, to disable the
built-in Trackpad on Their MacBook computers.

The following article describes how to accomplish this.  The first method
requires that you attach a mouse or other pointing device, to your Mac.
However, the second method merely requires the quick toggling of the Mouse
Keys feature.  

Even though the article was written back in 2008, the methods described work
just fine in the latest version of Yosemite.  I have tested them.

Just keep in mind that the options, described in the article, are located in
the Accessibility Preferences area of Yosemite.

The link to the original article is located at the bottom of the text.

Enjoy,

Mark

Disable trackpad for extended typing sessions
By Rob Griffiths, MacworldOct 21, 2008 11:07 AM

If you use a Mac laptop with a trackpad, and spend quite a bit of time
typing on it-perhaps you're a writer for a Mac-related Web site or
something-you're probably well aware of what I consider to be one of the
most-important settings in OS X: the "Ignore accidental trackpad input"
checkbox on the Trackpad tab of the Keyboard & Mouse System Preferences
panel. If you have your trackpad set up to click when tapped-which I do, as
I find it much easier than tapping the button-and you do not enable the
"ignore trackpad" option, you'll find that your cursor (and hence, where
your typing appears) jumps around your document any time your finger or palm
accidentally taps your Mac's trackpad.

With this feature enabled, I've found that the cursor usually remains where
it's supposed to be, even if I accidentally brush the trackpad. That's
usually, not always-sometimes I'll accidentally tap-click after a typing
pause for instance, not notice that I've done so, then resume typing. I
usually only figure out what's happened after I've merged two sentences
together into one jumbled mess.

For those times when you'll be typing a lot of text, and don't want to worry
about the trackpad at all, here are two solutions. The first solution is to
keep a mouse with you, and plug it in when you're ready to start an extended
typing session. Then, in the Trackpad tab of the Keyboard & Mouse System
Preferences panel, check the "Ignore trackpad when mouse is present" box,
and start typing. As long as the mouse is plugged in, that's the only way
you'll be able to move the mouse cursor. (Note that you can still move the
cursor's position within your text editor by using the arrow keys. You just
can't move the onscreen cursor via the trackpad.)

The second solution, and the one I prefer as it doesn't require any extra
hardware to lug around, relies on the Universal Access System Preferences
panel. Open that panel, and switch to the Mouse & Trackpad tab. Check the
box next to "Press the Option key five times to turn Mouse Keys on or off"
to enable Option-key control over the Mouse Keys feature. Next, check the
box next to "Ignore trackpad when Mouse Keys is on." So what have you done?
First, you set the system up so that pressing Option five times in a row
will turn on Mouse Keys, which allows for full cursor control with the
numeric keypad (which is embedded on the 789-UIO-JKL-M keys on a laptop).
Next, you told the system to completely disable the trackpad when Mouse Keys
is enabled. Using these two features together, you can put an end to all
accidental cursor movement while typing.

Try it out by opening TextEdit, and then pressing Option five times in a
row. Just like that, your trackpad will no longer work-you can click and
drag on it at will, but the cursor won't move an inch. Once you've finished
transcribing War & Peace, press the Option key five times in a row again,
and everything will be back to normal. There are two minor downsides to this
technique. First, you won't be able to use the embedded numeric keypad when
in Mouse Keys mode, because those keys are reserved for moving the cursor
around. As with the hardware solution, you can still use the arrow keys to
move the cursor within your document in either normal or trackpad-off modes.
Second, you may forget you've enabled this mode, and wonder why the trackpad
on your laptop no longer works-so remember to try pressing the Option key
five times in a row before resorting to a restart to fix the problem!

Original Article at:
http://www.macworld.com/article/1136275/trackpadoff.html


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Re: Here Are Two Ways of Disabling The Built-in Trackpad on your MacBook Computer

[Daniel Miller]

Hi,

I can actually see this being useful if you have a setup with a magic trackpad 
and an external keyboard. I know I’d want to disable my internal trackpad for 
that type of setup.
> On Jul 31, 2015, at 5:27 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All, 
> 
> There are some MacBook users who prefer, for whatever reason, to disable the
> built-in Trackpad on Their MacBook computers.
> 
> The following article describes how to accomplish this.  The first method
> requires that you attach a mouse or other pointing device, to your Mac.
> However, the second method merely requires the quick toggling of the Mouse
> Keys feature.  
> 
> Even though the article was written back in 2008, the methods described work
> just fine in the latest version of Yosemite.  I have tested them.
> 
> Just keep in mind that the options, described in the article, are located in
> the Accessibility Preferences area of Yosemite.
> 
> The link to the original article is located at the bottom of the text.
> 
> Enjoy,
> 
> Mark
> 
> Disable trackpad for extended typing sessions
> By Rob Griffiths, MacworldOct 21, 2008 11:07 AM
> 
> If you use a Mac laptop with a trackpad, and spend quite a bit of time
> typing on it-perhaps you're a writer for a Mac-related Web site or
> something-you're probably well aware of what I consider to be one of the
> most-important settings in OS X: the "Ignore accidental trackpad input"
> checkbox on the Trackpad tab of the Keyboard & Mouse System Preferences
> panel. If you have your trackpad set up to click when tapped-which I do, as
> I find it much easier than tapping the button-and you do not enable the
> "ignore trackpad" option, you'll find that your cursor (and hence, where
> your typing appears) jumps around your document any time your finger or palm
> accidentally taps your Mac's trackpad.
> 
> With this feature enabled, I've found that the cursor usually remains where
> it's supposed to be, even if I accidentally brush the trackpad. That's
> usually, not always-sometimes I'll accidentally tap-click after a typing
> pause for instance, not notice that I've done so, then resume typing. I
> usually only figure out what's happened after I've merged two sentences
> together into one jumbled mess.
> 
> For those times when you'll be typing a lot of text, and don't want to worry
> about the trackpad at all, here are two solutions. The first solution is to
> keep a mouse with you, and plug it in when you're ready to start an extended
> typing session. Then, in the Trackpad tab of the Keyboard & Mouse System
> Preferences panel, check the "Ignore trackpad when mouse is present" box,
> and start typing. As long as the mouse is plugged in, that's the only way
> you'll be able to move the mouse cursor. (Note that you can still move the
> cursor's position within your text editor by using the arrow keys. You just
> can't move the onscreen cursor via the trackpad.)
> 
> The second solution, and the one I prefer as it doesn't require any extra
> hardware to lug around, relies on the Universal Access System Preferences
> panel. Open that panel, and switch to the Mouse & Trackpad tab. Check the
> box next to "Press the Option key five times to turn Mouse Keys on or off"
> to enable Option-key control over the Mouse Keys feature. Next, check the
> box next to "Ignore trackpad when Mouse Keys is on." So what have you done?
> First, you set the system up so that pressing Option five times in a row
> will turn on Mouse Keys, which allows for full cursor control with the
> numeric keypad (which is embedded on the 789-UIO-JKL-M keys on a laptop).
> Next, you told the system to completely disable the trackpad when Mouse Keys
> is enabled. Using these two features together, you can put an end to all
> accidental cursor movement while typing.
> 
> Try it out by opening TextEdit, and then pressing Option five times in a
> row. Just like that, your trackpad will no longer work-you can click and
> drag on it at will, but the cursor won't move an inch. Once you've finished
> transcribing War & Peace, press the Option key five times in a row again,
> and everything will be back to normal. There are two minor downsides to this
> technique. First, you won't be able to use the embedded numeric keypad when
> in Mouse Keys mode, because those keys are reserved for moving the cursor
> around. As with the hardware solution, you can still use the arrow keys to
> move the cursor within your document in either normal or trackpad-off modes.
> Second, you may forget you've enabled this mode, and wonder why the trackpad
> on your laptop no longer works-so remember to try pressing the Option key
> five times in a row before resorting to a restart to fix the problem!
> 
> Original Article at:
> http://www.macworld.com/article/1136275/trackpadoff.html
> 
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Re: playroom

[Jim Gatteys]

if anybody ever wants to play I am t-bone on playroom and rs-games as well.
Jim

> On Jul 31, 2015, at 3:27 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Shawn. I found it.  haven't decided yet whether to play, I have many 
> of those games on my phone, so am not sure how often I would play them on the 
> Mac.  But thanks for the link, I'll hang onto it just incase.
> Best,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jul 31, 2015, at 1:14 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Donna. To access the Playroom web client, go to http://www.qcsalon.net 
>> and there should be a link to access the web client. And to the person that 
>> gave the suggestion to use the speech function of the web client, I actually 
>> used it for the first time and I found a problem. The speech is too fast for 
>> my liking and I found no way to adjust this. When I look in system 
>> preferences, the rate of speech is set to what I want it to be so I know it 
>> has nothing to do with that. So my question is, is there a way to set speech 
>> rate in Safari or will I have to live with the too fast speech rate?
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On Jul 31, 2015, at 7:51 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> How does one access this client?  I've not heard of it before.
>>> Donna
 On Jul 31, 2015, at 4:06 AM, Piotr Machacz  wrote:
 
 The playroom web client works an awful lot like the Windows app, down to 
 the various hotkeys. If you’ve never used that before, when you log in and 
 access the web client, you should get a welcome message and you should be 
 placed in a menu of a few buttons that you can navigate with the up and 
 down arrow keys. The first option here should be “create a new table”, 
 while join will be the next in case you want to play on someone else 
 table. One more thing that could be worth looking at is the options menu, 
 where you can enable “browser speech”. This makes most messages, except 
 the interface, to be spoken using the web speech api instead of an aria 
 live region. This seems to work better than just using VoiceOver’s live 
 region support as it doesn’t interrupt itself.
 
> On 31 Jul 2015, at 08:22, May McDonald  wrote:
> 
> Usually the option to create a room is the first option as soon as I log 
> onto the client.
> 
>> On Jul 30, 2015, at 10:55 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't see anything about how to create a game.  Wonder if Ihave 
>> something disabled?
>> Jim
>> 
>>> On Jul 30, 2015, at 4:10 PM, May McDonald  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, I just started playing there.
>>> 
>>> If you've already created the game then if you press tab it should put 
>>> you in the game section and there will be a lot of buttons and the 
>>> first will be start game.
>>> 
>>> Let me know if you need more help. It's harder to explain how to do it 
>>> via email, but will try unless someone else can better. As I said I 
>>> just started playing so don't know all the hot keys yet.
>>> 
 On Jul 30, 2015, at 4:03 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
 
 Hi Does anybody play games on Quentin c's playroom with safari on a 
 mac and if so how do you start a game?
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Re: playroom

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Thanks. I just posted a reply backing the request up.

Shawn
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> On Jul 31, 2015, at 4:05 PM, Piotr Machacz  wrote:
> 
> Hi Shawn,
> That’s funny, because I have the opposite problem, the speech is much too 
> slow for my liking, especially if I’m playing with people who are very quick 
> at taking their turn. Anyway, I have posted to the forum suggesting that a 
> speed control be added, so if you’d like to reply and say it would be useful, 
> the post is at http://qcsalon.net/en/forum6/topic9756
> 
> 
>> On 31 Jul 2015, at 20:14, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Donna. To access the Playroom web client, go to http://www.qcsalon.net 
>> and there should be a link to access the web client. And to the person that 
>> gave the suggestion to use the speech function of the web client, I actually 
>> used it for the first time and I found a problem. The speech is too fast for 
>> my liking and I found no way to adjust this. When I look in system 
>> preferences, the rate of speech is set to what I want it to be so I know it 
>> has nothing to do with that. So my question is, is there a way to set speech 
>> rate in Safari or will I have to live with the too fast speech rate?
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On Jul 31, 2015, at 7:51 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> How does one access this client?  I've not heard of it before.
>>> Donna
 On Jul 31, 2015, at 4:06 AM, Piotr Machacz  wrote:
 
 The playroom web client works an awful lot like the Windows app, down to 
 the various hotkeys. If you’ve never used that before, when you log in and 
 access the web client, you should get a welcome message and you should be 
 placed in a menu of a few buttons that you can navigate with the up and 
 down arrow keys. The first option here should be “create a new table”, 
 while join will be the next in case you want to play on someone else 
 table. One more thing that could be worth looking at is the options menu, 
 where you can enable “browser speech”. This makes most messages, except 
 the interface, to be spoken using the web speech api instead of an aria 
 live region. This seems to work better than just using VoiceOver’s live 
 region support as it doesn’t interrupt itself.
 
> On 31 Jul 2015, at 08:22, May McDonald  wrote:
> 
> Usually the option to create a room is the first option as soon as I log 
> onto the client.
> 
>> On Jul 30, 2015, at 10:55 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't see anything about how to create a game.  Wonder if Ihave 
>> something disabled?
>> Jim
>> 
>>> On Jul 30, 2015, at 4:10 PM, May McDonald  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, I just started playing there.
>>> 
>>> If you've already created the game then if you press tab it should put 
>>> you in the game section and there will be a lot of buttons and the 
>>> first will be start game.
>>> 
>>> Let me know if you need more help. It's harder to explain how to do it 
>>> via email, but will try unless someone else can better. As I said I 
>>> just started playing so don't know all the hot keys yet.
>>> 
 On Jul 30, 2015, at 4:03 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
 
 Hi Does anybody play games on Quentin c's playroom with safari on a 
 mac and if so how do you start a game?
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Siri on The Mac Anyone?

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hi all. After reading a review of Windows 10 from Cool Blind Tech and seeing 
how Microsoft has integrated their virtual assistant, Cortana into their OS, 
I've been wondering how Apple will respond. Is there a possibility that we 
might see Siri in a future update to El Capitan or in a future release to OS X? 
I'm really looking forward to the days ahead and seeing how Apple responds. Who 
knows? Maybe we'll get the Siri voices for Voiceover on the Mac too.

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Insert current date in Pages template?

[Alex Hall]

Hi list,
As promised, I'm back with another Pages question. I'm finally converting my 
bill and service report templates from RTF to actual Pages templates, as it'll 
be easier to fill them out this way. One thing I'd love to do is to have the 
current date inserted into a new document when I generate one from the 
template. Better still, I'd like to control with parts of the date appear. For 
example, the main "date" field would be the full date, whereas another section 
would be only the month and the year. Are either of these doable? I could make 
placeholders and type it in manually, but it seems like Pages should be able to 
manage this for me. Thanks in advance.

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Re: Siri on The Mac Anyone?

[Robin]

If Apple SticksToScript ... Siri won't likely Surface OnOSX

Oops, I forgot TheCEO isn't SteveJobs anymore ... so, it's VeryLikely 
that Siri WillSurface InAFuture OSX UpDate/UpGrade ... TimCook is 
ReDifining Apple


Because, SteveJobs (InMyOpinion) wouldn't have released iPadMinis, 
Larger iPhones, & SoForth


At 07:22 PM 7/31/2015, you wrote:
Hi all. After reading a review of Windows 10 from Cool Blind Tech 
and seeing how Microsoft has integrated their virtual assistant, 
Cortana into their OS, I've been wondering how Apple will respond. 
Is there a possibility that we might see Siri in a future update to 
El Capitan or in a future release to OS X? I'm really looking 
forward to the days ahead and seeing how Apple responds. Who knows? 
Maybe we'll get the Siri voices for Voiceover on the Mac too.


Shawn
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Re: reclaiming space on hard drive

[Pablo Sandoval]

Something is definitely up, I’ve just deleted another 3 gb of apps from my apps 
folder, cleared trash, and ran Disk Doctor. Still shows 17.28gb as the size of 
the apps folder. Ideas welcome, meantime I keep googling.

> On Jul 31, 2015, at 1:20 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> That's not bad at all. There are some hidden things that can take up space. 
> How are you finding the free space count? There are a few hidden things that 
> can still throw off the overall math. The recovery partition and such take 
> about 1GB. I have a hidden folder called MobileBackups which is about 1GB. If 
> you're using MacPorts or the like your /opt and /private folders can be a 
> dozen or so GB.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 7/31/15 2:39 PM, Pablo Sandoval wrote:
>> Ok, so I’ve downloaded and ran “Disk Doctor” as suggested by a lister.
>> I’ve also enabled “calculate all sizes” and my applications folder is 
>> 17.28gb, Libraries is 5.17gb, system folder is 9.81gb, and my users folder 
>> is 17.43gb. Total space used should be down around 50gb, any ideas guys/gals?
>> I’m still showing 81gb used.
>> Any ideas?
>> 
>> 
>>  
>>> On Jul 31, 2015, at 10:25 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Odd. Then your free space should reflect those files being gone. One handy 
>>> way to figure out where you space went is to open your hard drive, make 
>>> sure you are in list view (command+2) and then go to View Options 
>>> (command-J). That pops up a window with extra options checkboxes. At the 
>>> bottom of that list of checkboxes is one that says Calculate all sizes. 
>>> Check that one and then command ~ to jump back to your list view of the 
>>> hard drive and there will be a Size column. Usually for folders the size is 
>>> just "--" but the Mac will start totaling up all the files and replace 
>>> those "--" with actual numbers. You can then start to focus on the folders 
>>> with the most space used and start to drill down to figure out what's using 
>>> the most space. The Calculate all sizes beats on your hard drive making (ad 
>>> updating) all those totals so when you're done you'll want to turn that 
>>> back off. My Applications folder is 71GB while my OSX 10.10.4 system is 
>>> only 11GB. I would expect the bulk of the deletable stuff to be either apps 
>>> you no longer need or stuff under Users/youraccountnamefolder.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 7/31/15 12:06 PM, Pablo Sandoval wrote:
 No it is empty.
 
> On Jul 31, 2015, at 10:00 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> If you open the trash, is there still anything in it?
> 
> CB
> 
> On 7/31/15 10:43 AM, Pablo Sandoval wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>> I’ve just noticed the usage on my Mac HD is getting more full than I 
>> like.
>> I’ve just deleted several gigs of data, and I am not seeing the space 
>> freed up like I expected. Only a couple hundred megs freed up. I have 
>> emptied the trash, and am not sure what I need to do to see this newly 
>> emptied space.
>> I’ve even restarted the Mac to see if something was hanging.
>> Any advice is appreciated.
>> Thank you.
>> 
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Re: reclaiming space on hard drive

[Pablo Sandoval]

Sorry to keep spamming the list, but I’ve discovered something else now. When I 
go to my HD and do command i for information, interact with the scroll area, 
and it shows 74gb available, and only 45.91gb used. What is going on? 
Thanks for helping guys.

> On Jul 31, 2015, at 1:20 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> That's not bad at all. There are some hidden things that can take up space. 
> How are you finding the free space count? There are a few hidden things that 
> can still throw off the overall math. The recovery partition and such take 
> about 1GB. I have a hidden folder called MobileBackups which is about 1GB. If 
> you're using MacPorts or the like your /opt and /private folders can be a 
> dozen or so GB.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 7/31/15 2:39 PM, Pablo Sandoval wrote:
>> Ok, so I’ve downloaded and ran “Disk Doctor” as suggested by a lister.
>> I’ve also enabled “calculate all sizes” and my applications folder is 
>> 17.28gb, Libraries is 5.17gb, system folder is 9.81gb, and my users folder 
>> is 17.43gb. Total space used should be down around 50gb, any ideas guys/gals?
>> I’m still showing 81gb used.
>> Any ideas?
>> 
>> 
>>  
>>> On Jul 31, 2015, at 10:25 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Odd. Then your free space should reflect those files being gone. One handy 
>>> way to figure out where you space went is to open your hard drive, make 
>>> sure you are in list view (command+2) and then go to View Options 
>>> (command-J). That pops up a window with extra options checkboxes. At the 
>>> bottom of that list of checkboxes is one that says Calculate all sizes. 
>>> Check that one and then command ~ to jump back to your list view of the 
>>> hard drive and there will be a Size column. Usually for folders the size is 
>>> just "--" but the Mac will start totaling up all the files and replace 
>>> those "--" with actual numbers. You can then start to focus on the folders 
>>> with the most space used and start to drill down to figure out what's using 
>>> the most space. The Calculate all sizes beats on your hard drive making (ad 
>>> updating) all those totals so when you're done you'll want to turn that 
>>> back off. My Applications folder is 71GB while my OSX 10.10.4 system is 
>>> only 11GB. I would expect the bulk of the deletable stuff to be either apps 
>>> you no longer need or stuff under Users/youraccountnamefolder.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 7/31/15 12:06 PM, Pablo Sandoval wrote:
 No it is empty.
 
> On Jul 31, 2015, at 10:00 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
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> If you open the trash, is there still anything in it?
> 
> CB
> 
> On 7/31/15 10:43 AM, Pablo Sandoval wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>> I’ve just noticed the usage on my Mac HD is getting more full than I 
>> like.
>> I’ve just deleted several gigs of data, and I am not seeing the space 
>> freed up like I expected. Only a couple hundred megs freed up. I have 
>> emptied the trash, and am not sure what I need to do to see this newly 
>> emptied space.
>> I’ve even restarted the Mac to see if something was hanging.
>> Any advice is appreciated.
>> Thank you.
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