Strange issue with Microsoft Word on my mac

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi there.
I’ve encountered a very strange thing with Ms Word 2016 on my iMac. When i try 
to read a document with more than one page, at least so it seems using only up- 
and down arrow keys, nothing is read and it looks as though the cursor is 
elsewhere in the application and not on the document. If i route the mouse to 
the cursor with vo+command+f5 and then do a mouse click, vo+shift+spacebar, the 
cursor goes to the document area where i am but when i try reading using up- or 
down arrow only one character of a line is read.
I don’t use quicknav, infact i very rarely do so it can’t be that, but what 
obvious thing im i missing?
Anyone else come across this?
/Krister

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Messages and apple script

[Devin Prater]

Hi all. Can anyone give me an applescript file for reading incoming events that 
works. Mine, the one shipped with OS X doesn’t work.
Event: Buddy Becomes Available
File: Speak Events.applescript
Error: The operation couldn’t be completed. 
/Users/devinprater/Library/Application Scripts/com.apple.iChat/Speak 
Events.applescript:3476:3481: script error: Expected “given”, “into”, “with”, 
“without” or other parameter name but found “local”. (-2741)


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Re: Mac mail issue under Yosemite

[jeff `greene]

Hi, Let's see if I can remember how I fixed this issue... Go into mail
prefs, to accounts, then in the table of accounts select your account
that's giving you trouble. Then select the tab that says mail actions.
Somewhere on that screen there is a check box to keep trashed items on
the server. Uncheck that box and close mail prefs. You will get a
message asking you if you want to save your changes, hit save. That
should do it! I had this problem too, I would delete gmail messages go
to another mailbox like saved mail, and when i went back to my inbox
those deleted messages were back.
Hope this helps! Jeff


On 7/15/15, Kliph  wrote:
> This is a issue that arose in the last update, they suggest removing the
> account and reading and that should fix the issue.
>> On Jul 14, 2015, at 3:03 PM, 'Graham' via MacVisionaries
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Since upgrading to Yosemite, I’m encountering an odd issue in Apple Mail.
>>
>>
>> When I go in to the mail program, I keep getting the odd msg that I’ve
>> deleted over and over again. Its always the same few msgs that seem to be
>> determined not to be deleted.
>> Has anyone else come across this issue and did you sort the issue? if so
>> how?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any help thrown my way.
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Graham
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Re: Having issues adding songs to a playlist in apple music.

[Jessica Moss]

Thanx for the tip, finally got it working.  Now I just wish we could burn all 
those tracks to disc, sense I won't be keeping the service after my tryal 
period is up, sense I unfortunately can't afford to pay for it after that, but 
it's all good though.
On Jul 14, 2015, at 9:36 AM, Rachel Feinberg  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I've only just come to kind of, sort of, get a grip with the playlists in 
> Apple Music- so I can try to help!
> I go to the "new" button in iTunes, and select that I want a new playlist. 
> then it puts me in a scroll area, (if doing this on the Mac), and you 
> interact with that. You then have the name of your playlist as a header, and 
> another area. you'll want to interact with the header. you get options like, 
> play, shuffle, and so on. In this case, you want to find the "edit" button. 
> Then you can add songs or albums to the list. You'll want to make sure your 
> iCloud music library is checked, as it seems Apple Music and your own music 
> must be in there, in order for a playlist to be created.
> to do this, go to preferences (command+comma), and in the general area, make 
> sure you're signed into the same apple ID that you have the music membership 
> with, and make sure that iCloud library is checked.
> Assuming all that checks out, you are back in what Voiceover calls the "album 
> grid". Choose an album that you want from there, and vo+shift+M on it to get 
> additional options.
> One of these is "add to playlist submenu" assuming you have other playlists. 
> If you vo+space on that, you should (in theory), see all the playlists you 
> have, including the empty one you're now trying to fill with songs. Do this 
> with as many albums as you want, and scroll all the way to the right when 
> finished to hit the "done" button.
> If everything is working as it should be, your playlist should appear in the 
> "playlists" tab in apple Music.
> Good luck!
> Rachel.
> 
> On 7/14/2015 6:10 AM, Jürgen Fleger wrote:
>> Hi,
>> unfortunately I can’t help but I can confirm having issues like you 
>> described. Here it happened several times that playlists didn’t apear on the 
>> iphone even though it was on the Mac and just filled with songs from Apple 
>> Music. I unchecked iCloud in iTunes settings and checked it again. Now the 
>> playlists were on my iPhone but lost all 60 songs I already added. Very 
>> annoying and frustrating.
>> Hopefully Apple will solve this issues soon.
>> All the best
>> Jürgen
>>> Am 14.07.2015 um 14:37 schrieb Jessica Moss :
>>> 
>>> I've just added several albums to my library in apple music, told it to 
>>> allow me to play them off line, and now want to add certain tracks to a 
>>> playlist, but when I try to do that, it just says "empty list."  I already 
>>> selected the "create geneus playlist," for one of the items, thinking that 
>>> was what I needed to do, which it created and added one track I didn't want 
>>> added, then tried adding other stuff to it, but still get the "empty list," 
>>> dialogue box, when I try to do that, and nothing else comes up other than 
>>> to cancel it.  Can anyone help here?
>>> 
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Re: DirectvGenieGo

[Jessica Moss]

Didn't know there was an app for that lol, would love to check it out though.  
We have the service, but just I just used the features through the directTV app 
itself, which at times was a nightmare, so would love to see what this can do.

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wrote:

> Hi guys:
> Has anyone used the Directv GenietoGo app for Mac and iOS devices? Is it 
> accessible to stream/transfer recordings?
> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
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Re: another mail client?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
>From what i’ve heard, mutt is a bit tricky to set up.
But it should work fine once done.
/A
> 15 juli 2015 kl. 00:12 skrev Jason White :
> 
> Jim Gatteys  wrote:
>> what apps for mail do we have access through using the terminal in OS X?
> 
> You should be able to get Mutt (my first preference), Alpine, mailx, any of
> the Emacs mail clients such as VM and GNUS, and probably others. It's best to
> install Homebrew or one of the other package management systems if you haven't
> done so already.
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Re: Apple TV Connection Question

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
You can use a n optical digital source to.
/A
> 15 juli 2015 kl. 02:45 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland :
> 
> So... what I did is, I have a surround sound theater system which has HDMI 
> in, and HDMI out.  So I took one cord, ran out of the Apple TV, into the 
> HDMI1 source on the receiver, then I ran out of the receiver's HDMI out, to 
> the HDMI on my TV itself.  So, what this allows me to do is, I now can 
> basically pipe all HDMI data being sent out the Apple TV into my receiver 
> before it hits my TV.  This way, for example, I can turn my TV completely 
> off, yet still get sound out my receiver surround speakers throughout the 
> room,  Then, if I want! to actually see the picture side of it, all I have to 
> do is turn on my TV, set its source to HDMI, and boom! I'm up and running.  
> It's a really really sweet way of doing it in my opinion. Frankly, I loved my 
> Apple TV before, but since I've gotten this receiver, which is my very first 
> 5.1 dolby/prologic surround unit, you'd not believe! the difference it has 
> made!  It's totally spoiled me!
> 
> OK, as for the soundbar, I am not totally sure.  I think it depends on which 
> one you get.  Generally though, from what I understand, yes.  They do have 
> HDMI on them.  I can check for you to be totally sure.  I got a friend who 
> has one, so let me call 'em real quick before it gets later, and I'll check 
> for ya.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Brian Fischler" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 8:29 PM
> Subject: Apple TV Connection Question
> 
> 
> I am finally thinking about getting an Apple TV, but am curious as I know you 
> have to connect it via HDMI, but am curious can I buy a Sound Bar home 
> receiver that has an HDMI input and then use the Apple TV without a TV? 
> Thanks, curious if you just need any receiver with a HDMI input.
> 
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Re: Sorry if OT

[Todor Fassl]

I agree. I do not see what the big deal is. A little tolerance would be 
in order, IMO. Learn to press the DEL key.




On 07/11/2015 05:43 PM, Juan Hernandez wrote:

what better place to discuss this then here?  If we who are testing it ask each 
other questions, post comments observations etc, I don’t see why that isn’t a 
problem.  The better the communication we have the better feedback
we can have with apple to make sure our voices are heard to get things done 
during  this beta cycle.

When I was at wwdc, I was told this isn’t a big
  deal.

Maybe we should start a apple beta discussion list if there will be issues.

What do you guys think?  I think it would be good for it to be here this way 
the people who aren’t using it, they can have us who are using ios9beta test 
things they are having issues on iOsS 8.x to see if they are fixed in iOS 9.

Best,

Juan

On Jul 11, 2015, at 2:51 PM, christopher hallsworth  
wrote:

According to the FAQ, which you can read at
beta.apple.com
no features or bugs, unless publicly disclosed by Apple, shall be discussed 
with anyone not signed up to the public beta program or not running the public 
beta. That's the jist of it, anyway. So the short answer is no.


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On 11 Jul 2015, at 20:06, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
Is there anywhere we can  discuss the public beta?
Thanks.
/A

11 juli 2015 kl. 19:18 skrev Devin Prater :

Its a tiny bit sluggish, but its just like iOS 8.0 or so. I figure it’ll be 
fixed pretty soon.

On Jul 11, 2015, at 7:54 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi.as someone noticed that our US 9 to beta  is quite sluggish. At least on my 
iPod touch.


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Re: Sorry if OT

[Todor Fassl]

I don't think we need to be Apple's police force though. It's none of 
our business if people are breaking a NDA. If you want to argue that 
it's off-topic, that's different.




On 07/11/2015 02:44 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

There are undoubtedly many places where you can discuss the public beta. Look 
at all the publications that are out with various articles about how well or 
not well things are working thus far. But on these lists, no go. I wonder why 
they make people sign and NDA for a public beta which literally anyone with an 
eye device can download.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 11, 2015, at 12:34 PM, george b  wrote:

no

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Hi!
Is there anywhere we can  discuss the public beta?
Thanks.
/A

11 juli 2015 kl. 19:18 skrev Devin Prater :

Its a tiny bit sluggish, but its just like iOS 8.0 or so. I figure it’ll be 
fixed pretty soon.

On Jul 11, 2015, at 7:54 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi.as someone noticed that our US 9 to beta  is quite sluggish. At least on my 
iPod touch.


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Re: Apple TV Connection Question

[Tim Emmons]

This is the setup I have, and it’s beautiful. Also, if I want to listen to 
iTunes Radio which will soon become apple Music, I don’t have to turn the tv 
on, I can run it just through the Bar and it’s nice. Hope you can get it to 
work for you. 
> On Jul 14, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> OK, so it looks like if you want a soundbar, your best bet would be to go 
> optical out of the Apple TV, to Opbical in on the soundbar.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Brian Fischler" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 8:29 PM
> Subject: Apple TV Connection Question
> 
> 
> I am finally thinking about getting an Apple TV, but am curious as I know you 
> have to connect it via HDMI, but am curious can I buy a Sound Bar home 
> receiver that has an HDMI input and then use the Apple TV without a TV? 
> Thanks, curious if you just need any receiver with a HDMI input.
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Re: Moving around in documents

[Stacey Robinson]

Thanks I think it worked.

Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net 
> On Jul 14, 2015, at 9:53 PM, Jamie Pauls  wrote:
> 
> Try command down arrow. That should work.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jul 14, 2015, at 9:11 PM, Stacey Robinson  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi if I am in a large text file, Phone Numbers for example how on my macbook 
>> air do I move to the very bottom?
>> 
>> Blessings,
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
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Re: Mac mail issue under Yosemite

[Dionipher Presas Herrera]

go to the gmail on safari you can delete it manually there.
> On 15 Jul 2015, at 2:12 PM, jeff `greene  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Let's see if I can remember how I fixed this issue... Go into mail
> prefs, to accounts, then in the table of accounts select your account
> that's giving you trouble. Then select the tab that says mail actions.
> Somewhere on that screen there is a check box to keep trashed items on
> the server. Uncheck that box and close mail prefs. You will get a
> message asking you if you want to save your changes, hit save. That
> should do it! I had this problem too, I would delete gmail messages go
> to another mailbox like saved mail, and when i went back to my inbox
> those deleted messages were back.
> Hope this helps! Jeff
> 
> 
> On 7/15/15, Kliph  wrote:
>> This is a issue that arose in the last update, they suggest removing the
>> account and reading and that should fix the issue.
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>>> 
>>> 
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>>> deleted over and over again. Its always the same few msgs that seem to be
>>> determined not to be deleted.
>>> Has anyone else come across this issue and did you sort the issue? if so
>>> how?
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
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Apple to release new 64-bit iPod touch today; new iPod nano, shuffle colors – MacDailyNews - Welcome Home

[christopher hallsworth]

> http://macdailynews.com/2015/07/15/apple-to-release-new-64-bit-ipod-touch-today-new-ipod-nano-shuffle-colors/
>  
> 
> 
> Apple to release new 64-bit iPod touch today; new iPod nano, shuffle colors
> 
> “Apple will be rolling out a refreshed line of iPods today, according to 
> sources,” Mark Gurman reports for 9to5Mac. “As indicated by new colors 
> recently found in iTunes on the Mac, the new iPod touch, shuffle, and nano 
> will come in new darker blue and pink colors. A gold color will be added as 
> well for all three iPods.”
> “The new Nanos and Shuffles won’t get new features, but the iOS-based iPod 
> touch will see a considerable upgrade,” Gurman reports. “Camera upgrade from 
> 5 megapixels to 8; new 64-bit chip; ‘M’ [motion] chip for fitness, steps, and 
> elevation tracking.”
> 
> Gurman reports the new iPod touch’s pricing as follows:
> • 128GB – $399
> • 64GB – $299
> • 16GB – $199
> 
> Full article here .
> 
> MacDailyNews Note: Apple Store is currently offline ahead of the expected 
> updates.
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Re: Apple TV Connection Question

[Brian Fischler]

Hi Tim,

what is the setup you have going out of the optical? I was under the impression 
the Apple TV only had a power cord and cdmi out, so not sure what you guys are 
talking about optically? The sound bar I am looking at is the Wilton Sound Bar 
with Bluetooth sold on Amazon as it has a ton of input and outputs, and I think 
the only thing I would be using would be the volume so once I figure that out 
would not need sighted assistance to work it, the amazon ad mentions it works 
with gaming stuff but does not mention the Apple TV, here is the link if anyone 
wants to take a look at it. Thanks for all the feedback 
http://www.amazon.com/Wilton-SBHD210-Bluetooth-Soundbar-Surround/dp/B00XO50TSG 
> On Jul 15, 2015, at 10:35 AM, Tim Emmons  wrote:
> 
> This is the setup I have, and it’s beautiful. Also, if I want to listen to 
> iTunes Radio which will soon become apple Music, I don’t have to turn the tv 
> on, I can run it just through the Bar and it’s nice. Hope you can get it to 
> work for you. 
>> On Jul 14, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, so it looks like if you want a soundbar, your best bet would be to go 
>> optical out of the Apple TV, to Opbical in on the soundbar.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Brian Fischler" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 8:29 PM
>> Subject: Apple TV Connection Question
>> 
>> 
>> I am finally thinking about getting an Apple TV, but am curious as I know 
>> you have to connect it via HDMI, but am curious can I buy a Sound Bar home 
>> receiver that has an HDMI input and then use the Apple TV without a TV? 
>> Thanks, curious if you just need any receiver with a HDMI input.
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Re: Apple unveils all-new iPod touch with 64-bit Apple A8 chip, M8 motion coprocessor, 8MP camera, and Apple Music – MacDailyNews - Welcome Home

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

About bloody time too.  I love iPod Touch, and I’m happy to see them take it a 
bit more seriously this time around.

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RE: Apple unveils all-new iPod touch with 64-bit Apple A8 chip, M8 motion coprocessor, 8MP camera, and Apple Music – MacDailyNews - Welcome Home

[george b]

Ah, do you think it will then work with the watch?

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About bloody time too.  I love iPod Touch, and I’m happy to see them take it a 
bit more seriously this time around.

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Re: Apple unveils all-new iPod touch with 64-bit Apple A8 chip, M8 motion coprocessor, 8MP camera, and Apple Music – MacDailyNews - Welcome Home

[christopher hallsworth]

I don't think Apple Watch works on iPod Touch and probably won't any time soon 
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> On 15 Jul 2015, at 19:13, george b  wrote:
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> Ah, do you think it will then work with the watch?
> 
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> motion coprocessor, 8MP camera, and Apple Music – MacDailyNews - Welcome Home
> 
> About bloody time too.  I love iPod Touch, and I’m happy to see them take it 
> a bit more seriously this time around.
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biblical greek on the mac

[Brian Howerton]

Hello all,
I am trying to teach myself new testament greek.  I was wondering if anyone has 
tested learning a biblical language on the mac with voiceover.  Just was 
curious to see how that might work with voiceover as far as pronunciations and 
things like that.  Thanks,
Brian

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Re: Apple TV Connection Question

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

For this Tim, I have a Harman Kardon Receiver with HDMI inputs, and HDMI going 
out to the TV.  The TV does not need to be on when I am listening to music and 
I've even had the TV set to the incorrect input on occasion and the Apple TV 
still sends the audio to the receiver.  Not sure if having the TV makes a 
difference, but I doubt it.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 15, 2015, at 12:04, Brian Fischler  wrote:

Hi Tim,

what is the setup you have going out of the optical? I was under the impression 
the Apple TV only had a power cord and cdmi out, so not sure what you guys are 
talking about optically? The sound bar I am looking at is the Wilton Sound Bar 
with Bluetooth sold on Amazon as it has a ton of input and outputs, and I think 
the only thing I would be using would be the volume so once I figure that out 
would not need sighted assistance to work it, the amazon ad mentions it works 
with gaming stuff but does not mention the Apple TV, here is the link if anyone 
wants to take a look at it. Thanks for all the feedback 
http://www.amazon.com/Wilton-SBHD210-Bluetooth-Soundbar-Surround/dp/B00XO50TSG 
> On Jul 15, 2015, at 10:35 AM, Tim Emmons  wrote:
> 
> This is the setup I have, and it’s beautiful. Also, if I want to listen to 
> iTunes Radio which will soon become apple Music, I don’t have to turn the tv 
> on, I can run it just through the Bar and it’s nice. Hope you can get it to 
> work for you. 
>> On Jul 14, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, so it looks like if you want a soundbar, your best bet would be to go 
>> optical out of the Apple TV, to Opbical in on the soundbar.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Brian Fischler" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 8:29 PM
>> Subject: Apple TV Connection Question
>> 
>> 
>> I am finally thinking about getting an Apple TV, but am curious as I know 
>> you have to connect it via HDMI, but am curious can I buy a Sound Bar home 
>> receiver that has an HDMI input and then use the Apple TV without a TV? 
>> Thanks, curious if you just need any receiver with a HDMI input.
>> 
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Re: biblical greek on the mac

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi Brian,

I speak modern Greek and there's no problem with that because:
1.  AssistiveWare.com has a modern Greek voice Dimitris, which is very good, 
2. and Apple provides a modern Greek voice Melina and Nikos.  Mac also has a 
modern Greek keyboard layout as well as ancient Greek keyboard which you can 
add to your keyboards.

You can change both keyboards and voices on the fly.

I don't think that ancient / biblical Greek is going to work with these voices 
because the letters with the diacritic marks that are used are not recognised 
by Voiceover nor by any other voices mentioned above.  But do check it out 
yourself.  you can easily add Apple's Greek voices to the selection of voices 
on the mac, activate the appropriate keyboard and confirm this.  I had no 
success with it when I got a piece of biblical text from somebody.

I'm sorry not to have better news for you.

Andrew
> On 15 Jul 2015, at 20:11, Brian Howerton  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> I am trying to teach myself new testament greek.  I was wondering if anyone 
> has tested learning a biblical language on the mac with voiceover.  Just was 
> curious to see how that might work with voiceover as far as pronunciations 
> and things like that.  Thanks,
> Brian
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Re: biblical greek on the mac

[Brian Howerton]

No problem Andrew.  That definitely helps though.  Right now I am digging in to 
a greek text in braille.  I am very overwhelmed by the greek braille code.  I 
wish there was a supplemental greek braille code manual that I could use while 
trying to learn Greek.  Right now, I am struggling trying to understand how the 
greek braille code works.
Brian
> On Jul 15, 2015, at 3:25 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Hi Brian,
> 
> I speak modern Greek and there's no problem with that because:
> 1.  AssistiveWare.com has a modern Greek voice Dimitris, which is very good, 
> 2. and Apple provides a modern Greek voice Melina and Nikos.  Mac also has a 
> modern Greek keyboard layout as well as ancient Greek keyboard which you can 
> add to your keyboards.
> 
> You can change both keyboards and voices on the fly.
> 
> I don't think that ancient / biblical Greek is going to work with these 
> voices because the letters with the diacritic marks that are used are not 
> recognised by Voiceover nor by any other voices mentioned above.  But do 
> check it out yourself.  you can easily add Apple's Greek voices to the 
> selection of voices on the mac, activate the appropriate keyboard and confirm 
> this.  I had no success with it when I got a piece of biblical text from 
> somebody.
> 
> I'm sorry not to have better news for you.
> 
> Andrew
>> On 15 Jul 2015, at 20:11, Brian Howerton  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> I am trying to teach myself new testament greek.  I was wondering if anyone 
>> has tested learning a biblical language on the mac with voiceover.  Just was 
>> curious to see how that might work with voiceover as far as pronunciations 
>> and things like that.  Thanks,
>> Brian
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Re: Apple TV Connection Question

[Brian Fischler]

Thanks for letting me know Tim, appreciate it.
> On Jul 15, 2015, at 3:16 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> For this Tim, I have a Harman Kardon Receiver with HDMI inputs, and HDMI 
> going out to the TV.  The TV does not need to be on when I am listening to 
> music and I've even had the TV set to the incorrect input on occasion and the 
> Apple TV still sends the audio to the receiver.  Not sure if having the TV 
> makes a difference, but I doubt it.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 15, 2015, at 12:04, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> what is the setup you have going out of the optical? I was under the 
> impression the Apple TV only had a power cord and cdmi out, so not sure what 
> you guys are talking about optically? The sound bar I am looking at is the 
> Wilton Sound Bar with Bluetooth sold on Amazon as it has a ton of input and 
> outputs, and I think the only thing I would be using would be the volume so 
> once I figure that out would not need sighted assistance to work it, the 
> amazon ad mentions it works with gaming stuff but does not mention the Apple 
> TV, here is the link if anyone wants to take a look at it. Thanks for all the 
> feedback 
> http://www.amazon.com/Wilton-SBHD210-Bluetooth-Soundbar-Surround/dp/B00XO50TSG
>  
>> On Jul 15, 2015, at 10:35 AM, Tim Emmons  wrote:
>> 
>> This is the setup I have, and it’s beautiful. Also, if I want to listen to 
>> iTunes Radio which will soon become apple Music, I don’t have to turn the tv 
>> on, I can run it just through the Bar and it’s nice. Hope you can get it to 
>> work for you. 
>>> On Jul 14, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK, so it looks like if you want a soundbar, your best bet would be to go 
>>> optical out of the Apple TV, to Opbical in on the soundbar.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Brian Fischler" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 8:29 PM
>>> Subject: Apple TV Connection Question
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I am finally thinking about getting an Apple TV, but am curious as I know 
>>> you have to connect it via HDMI, but am curious can I buy a Sound Bar home 
>>> receiver that has an HDMI input and then use the Apple TV without a TV? 
>>> Thanks, curious if you just need any receiver with a HDMI input.
>>> 
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Re: Amazon Fire TV Accessibility

[christopher hallsworth]

Apple TV is a box you connect to your TV via HDMI or stereo system via Optical 
out. Chromecast, on the other hand, is a USB stick that I assume works only 
with the TV via HDMI.


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> On 14 Jul 2015, at 13:43, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> Ok, what exactly is the difference between that, apple TV, and something a 
> friend recommended I get called cromecast?
> On Jul 13, 2015, at 7:25 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
>> Interesting, Rick. I assume, that since this is specifically related to the 
>> instant video app, that there isn't any way to use voice search on other 
>> fire TV channels. It's a good start. But clearly, the answer would be to 
>> make the app accessible so that we could use all the channels.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 13, 2015, at 3:45 PM, Rick Alfaro  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mary and others:
>>> 
>>> Brent Harbolt from www.harboltcompany.com posted a short podcast on a work 
>>> around for using the Fire TV in conjuction with the IOS Instant Video app. 
>>> Basically, you find the movie you want in the Instant Video app then do a 
>>> voice search for it on the Fire TV. It isn't ideal but it does make the 
>>> Fire TV somewhat useable. In the podcast he goes over it step by step, 
>>> informing you what to do and how to use the Fire TV remote to accomplish 
>>> this. I've taken the liberty of uploading this to SendSpace, hope he 
>>> doesn't mind. (lol)
>>> 
>>> https://www.sendspace.com/file/tz7t06
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> Rick Alfaro
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>>> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2015 6:13 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Amazon Fire TV Accessibility
>>> 
>>> Hi Kevin,
>>> Thank you for your good efforts. Frankly, I wish they would just make the 
>>> apps for these things really accessible to the screen reader of choice, 
>>> rather than trying to build some kludgy nonsense into the fire TV etc. I 
>>> have a Kindle fire HD, and I was so dissatisfied with it that I gave it to 
>>> my husband
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jul 13, 2015, at 2:57 PM, Kevin Shaw  wrote:
 
 Hi Mary,
 
 No, I don’t know anyone on the Echo team, but my friend tells me it’s not 
 hard to get the message across to the right people. I’ve already told her 
 the “community” is hating on Amazon products for lack of screen reader 
 accessibility.
 
 My friend has worked on some motor accessibility stuff for Fire TV, so 
 it’s not a far leap to get them to put a screen reader on it. 
 
 I suggested they take the screen readers from the Fire Phones and put them 
 into the Fire TVs, but the Fire Phones are all being used to prop up 
 wobbly desks and chairs at Amazon. Only kidding.
 
 Will keep you guys in the loop.
 Kevin
> On Jul 9, 2015, at 11:54 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Good, Kevin. I hope something comes of it. You don't happen to know 
> anybody on the Amazon echo team do you? It seems that requests from 
> ordinary echo users don't do any good, as the updates they release do not 
> help. The iPhone app remains a loser. The website is barely usable in my 
> opinion and not usable and that of some others I know.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2015, at 8:31 PM, Kevin Shaw  wrote:
>> 
>> A friend of mine is a software engineer on the Fire TV team at Amazon. 
>> I’ve told her about the discussions on this list around the Fire TV 
>> iPhone app being inaccessible to VO users and she’s given me her promise 
>> that she will bring it up with the dev team. 
>> Kevin
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installing sword 2016 on the mac

[William Windels]

Hello all,
since 9 juli mosaic 2016 for mac is released. I had the preview version 
installed before but I see no option to upgrade to a full version.
If I press the upgrade button, the app is crashing.

Anyway, I have 2 questions:
1. is msoffice 2016 and word on the first place, mainly accessible in the final 
release?
2. It seems I can’t install a trial without doing a registrationproces..
So frustrating sometimes that many software companys needs to know personal 
information  before to download even a test-version.

If the office-suite is mainly accessible, where can I find the 
(trial)installation-package?

Kind regards,
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VM insert key on OSX tutorial

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Marco Zehe from Mozilla wrote up his solution to getting the caps lock 
key to act as both the VO keys on OSX and the Insert key when running 
VMWare with Windows and Jaws or NVDA. This seems to come up pretty often 
so hopefully folks can keep this link around and just paste it into the 
message thread whenever it comes up rather than re-writing instructions 
every time. Not sure I would bother with the VO remap part but at least 
you'd have one key for both sides.


https://www.marcozehe.de/2015/06/07/how-to-map-your-macs-capslock-key-to-a-nvda-or-jaws-key-in-a-windows-virtual-machine/

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Re: Apple TV Connection Question

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

The AppleTV box has five connectors across the back. Power, HDMI with a 
micro-USB just below it, Optical Audio and Ethernet. The optical out is 
the little square kind you find on most digital receivers.


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On 7/15/15 2:04 PM, Brian Fischler wrote:

Hi Tim,

what is the setup you have going out of the optical? I was under the impression 
the Apple TV only had a power cord and cdmi out, so not sure what you guys are 
talking about optically? The sound bar I am looking at is the Wilton Sound Bar 
with Bluetooth sold on Amazon as it has a ton of input and outputs, and I think 
the only thing I would be using would be the volume so once I figure that out 
would not need sighted assistance to work it, the amazon ad mentions it works 
with gaming stuff but does not mention the Apple TV, here is the link if anyone 
wants to take a look at it. Thanks for all the feedback 
http://www.amazon.com/Wilton-SBHD210-Bluetooth-Soundbar-Surround/dp/B00XO50TSG

On Jul 15, 2015, at 10:35 AM, Tim Emmons  wrote:

This is the setup I have, and it’s beautiful. Also, if I want to listen to 
iTunes Radio which will soon become apple Music, I don’t have to turn the tv 
on, I can run it just through the Bar and it’s nice. Hope you can get it to 
work for you.

On Jul 14, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

OK, so it looks like if you want a soundbar, your best bet would be to go 
optical out of the Apple TV, to Opbical in on the soundbar.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Brian Fischler" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 8:29 PM
Subject: Apple TV Connection Question


I am finally thinking about getting an Apple TV, but am curious as I know you 
have to connect it via HDMI, but am curious can I buy a Sound Bar home receiver 
that has an HDMI input and then use the Apple TV without a TV? Thanks, curious 
if you just need any receiver with a HDMI input.

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Re: Apple TV Connection Question

[Brian Fischler]

Hey Chris,

Thanks for listing this will probably just have to try it and see if it works 
without a TV now to find the money to buy it all LOL. 
> On Jul 15, 2015, at 5:13 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> The AppleTV box has five connectors across the back. Power, HDMI with a 
> micro-USB just below it, Optical Audio and Ethernet. The optical out is the 
> little square kind you find on most digital receivers.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 7/15/15 2:04 PM, Brian Fischler wrote:
>> Hi Tim,
>> 
>> what is the setup you have going out of the optical? I was under the 
>> impression the Apple TV only had a power cord and cdmi out, so not sure what 
>> you guys are talking about optically? The sound bar I am looking at is the 
>> Wilton Sound Bar with Bluetooth sold on Amazon as it has a ton of input and 
>> outputs, and I think the only thing I would be using would be the volume so 
>> once I figure that out would not need sighted assistance to work it, the 
>> amazon ad mentions it works with gaming stuff but does not mention the Apple 
>> TV, here is the link if anyone wants to take a look at it. Thanks for all 
>> the feedback 
>> http://www.amazon.com/Wilton-SBHD210-Bluetooth-Soundbar-Surround/dp/B00XO50TSG
>>> On Jul 15, 2015, at 10:35 AM, Tim Emmons  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is the setup I have, and it’s beautiful. Also, if I want to listen to 
>>> iTunes Radio which will soon become apple Music, I don’t have to turn the 
>>> tv on, I can run it just through the Bar and it’s nice. Hope you can get it 
>>> to work for you.
 On Jul 14, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  wrote:
 
 OK, so it looks like if you want a soundbar, your best bet would be to go 
 optical out of the Apple TV, to Opbical in on the soundbar.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: "Brian Fischler" 
 To: 
 Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 8:29 PM
 Subject: Apple TV Connection Question
 
 
 I am finally thinking about getting an Apple TV, but am curious as I know 
 you have to connect it via HDMI, but am curious can I buy a Sound Bar home 
 receiver that has an HDMI input and then use the Apple TV without a TV? 
 Thanks, curious if you just need any receiver with a HDMI input.
 
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Re: Duxbury Printer Help with Virtual Windows Image

[Juan Hernandez]

When you connect your device, the braille embosser in this case, Vm Fusion will 
bring up a dialog, asking what to do with the usb device.  To connect to the 
mac (host) or the windows (guest) systems.  Just press on the windows button, 
and you should be good.  It then will be recognized on windows.

HTH.
 
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> On Jul 14, 2015, at 3:39 PM, Emilio Hernandez  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> The subject line is quite clear.
> I have installed Duxbury on my virtual image of Windows, but I cannot figure 
> out how to ad a “virtual USB” port for the embosser?
> I am mirroring my Windows configuration because this  is presume to be ideal, 
> but my efforts are futile.
> Basically, I do not know what to do since I do not see any virtual ports 
> listed in my printer properties for the Generic Text Printer.
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> I am using the same version of Windows 7 on both my laptop and my virtual 
> image of Windows on my iMac.
> 
> Thanks for any help anyone can provide.
> 
> P.S Thanks to the person who posted how to batch convert files with Amadeus 
> Pro a year ago. I found the advice quite helpful from the archives.
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Re: Apple TV Connection Question

[Tim Emmons]

Actually it does if you watch say netflix or anything like that and it doesn’t 
see that Tv side of things, it will tell you that your cdmi cable isn’t plugged 
in properly or something to that effect. I’ve ran into that a bit when I first 
got my bar, so I’m always careful about that. Now, if I’m air playing or 
streaming music using iTunes radio or something, it doesn’t seem to bother it 
but movies like from Crackle andnetflix will cause it to scream at you. Anyway, 
take care guys. Talk to you soon. 
> On Jul 15, 2015, at 2:16 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> For this Tim, I have a Harman Kardon Receiver with HDMI inputs, and HDMI 
> going out to the TV.  The TV does not need to be on when I am listening to 
> music and I've even had the TV set to the incorrect input on occasion and the 
> Apple TV still sends the audio to the receiver.  Not sure if having the TV 
> makes a difference, but I doubt it.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 15, 2015, at 12:04, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> what is the setup you have going out of the optical? I was under the 
> impression the Apple TV only had a power cord and cdmi out, so not sure what 
> you guys are talking about optically? The sound bar I am looking at is the 
> Wilton Sound Bar with Bluetooth sold on Amazon as it has a ton of input and 
> outputs, and I think the only thing I would be using would be the volume so 
> once I figure that out would not need sighted assistance to work it, the 
> amazon ad mentions it works with gaming stuff but does not mention the Apple 
> TV, here is the link if anyone wants to take a look at it. Thanks for all the 
> feedback 
> http://www.amazon.com/Wilton-SBHD210-Bluetooth-Soundbar-Surround/dp/B00XO50TSG
>  
>> On Jul 15, 2015, at 10:35 AM, Tim Emmons  wrote:
>> 
>> This is the setup I have, and it’s beautiful. Also, if I want to listen to 
>> iTunes Radio which will soon become apple Music, I don’t have to turn the tv 
>> on, I can run it just through the Bar and it’s nice. Hope you can get it to 
>> work for you. 
>>> On Jul 14, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK, so it looks like if you want a soundbar, your best bet would be to go 
>>> optical out of the Apple TV, to Opbical in on the soundbar.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Brian Fischler" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 8:29 PM
>>> Subject: Apple TV Connection Question
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I am finally thinking about getting an Apple TV, but am curious as I know 
>>> you have to connect it via HDMI, but am curious can I buy a Sound Bar home 
>>> receiver that has an HDMI input and then use the Apple TV without a TV? 
>>> Thanks, curious if you just need any receiver with a HDMI input.
>>> 
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Re: Apple TV Connection Question

[Tim Emmons]

I have my apple tv plugged into the optical out. I can also use the bluetooth 
feature of my sound bar if i so desire with my phone or my iPad. (apple Tv 
doesn’t have a bluetooth out like that) but the remote is easily laid out and 
easy to navigate. I have the Samsung Airtrack, and it does fairly well for what 
I use it for. Hope that helps. 
> On Jul 15, 2015, at 1:04 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> what is the setup you have going out of the optical? I was under the 
> impression the Apple TV only had a power cord and cdmi out, so not sure what 
> you guys are talking about optically? The sound bar I am looking at is the 
> Wilton Sound Bar with Bluetooth sold on Amazon as it has a ton of input and 
> outputs, and I think the only thing I would be using would be the volume so 
> once I figure that out would not need sighted assistance to work it, the 
> amazon ad mentions it works with gaming stuff but does not mention the Apple 
> TV, here is the link if anyone wants to take a look at it. Thanks for all the 
> feedback 
> http://www.amazon.com/Wilton-SBHD210-Bluetooth-Soundbar-Surround/dp/B00XO50TSG
>  
>> On Jul 15, 2015, at 10:35 AM, Tim Emmons  wrote:
>> 
>> This is the setup I have, and it’s beautiful. Also, if I want to listen to 
>> iTunes Radio which will soon become apple Music, I don’t have to turn the tv 
>> on, I can run it just through the Bar and it’s nice. Hope you can get it to 
>> work for you. 
>>> On Jul 14, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK, so it looks like if you want a soundbar, your best bet would be to go 
>>> optical out of the Apple TV, to Opbical in on the soundbar.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Brian Fischler" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 8:29 PM
>>> Subject: Apple TV Connection Question
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I am finally thinking about getting an Apple TV, but am curious as I know 
>>> you have to connect it via HDMI, but am curious can I buy a Sound Bar home 
>>> receiver that has an HDMI input and then use the Apple TV without a TV? 
>>> Thanks, curious if you just need any receiver with a HDMI input.
>>> 
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Re: Apple TV Connection Question

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Apple TV does have optical.  It's the square shaped port oppisit corner from 
the power cord.


I got your msg to call you, but due to my work schedule, I've been 
incredibly busy.  Forgive me.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Fischler" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: Apple TV Connection Question


Hi Tim,

what is the setup you have going out of the optical? I was under the 
impression the Apple TV only had a power cord and cdmi out, so not sure what 
you guys are talking about optically? The sound bar I am looking at is the 
Wilton Sound Bar with Bluetooth sold on Amazon as it has a ton of input and 
outputs, and I think the only thing I would be using would be the volume so 
once I figure that out would not need sighted assistance to work it, the 
amazon ad mentions it works with gaming stuff but does not mention the Apple 
TV, here is the link if anyone wants to take a look at it. Thanks for all 
the feedback 
http://www.amazon.com/Wilton-SBHD210-Bluetooth-Soundbar-Surround/dp/B00XO50TSG

On Jul 15, 2015, at 10:35 AM, Tim Emmons  wrote:

This is the setup I have, and it’s beautiful. Also, if I want to listen to 
iTunes Radio which will soon become apple Music, I don’t have to turn the 
tv on, I can run it just through the Bar and it’s nice. Hope you can get 
it to work for you.
On Jul 14, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


OK, so it looks like if you want a soundbar, your best bet would be to go 
optical out of the Apple TV, to Opbical in on the soundbar.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Brian Fischler" 


To: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 8:29 PM
Subject: Apple TV Connection Question


I am finally thinking about getting an Apple TV, but am curious as I know 
you have to connect it via HDMI, but am curious can I buy a Sound Bar 
home receiver that has an HDMI input and then use the Apple TV without a 
TV? Thanks, curious if you just need any receiver with a HDMI input.


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Re: biblical greek on the mac

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Brian, get ahold of Ben, he does this type stuff all the time, and I know he 
could help you.  He's even got a braille display as well.  As you may 
recall, he's a huge huge huge language guy.


His e-mail is:

bbloomg...@icloud.com

I know he'd be more than happy to help you!

I won't publish it here, but do you still has his number?  I know he gave it 
to you at one point.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Howerton" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 3:11 PM
Subject: biblical greek on the mac


Hello all,
I am trying to teach myself new testament greek.  I was wondering if anyone 
has tested learning a biblical language on the mac with voiceover.  Just was 
curious to see how that might work with voiceover as far as pronunciations 
and things like that.  Thanks,

Brian

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Re: biblical greek on the mac

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Yatsu Andrew, kay Ti canaté?

Chris shruggs heavily...

I, know... You cannot know how badly I want ancient greek access!  With me 
being Eastern Greek Orthodox, it really would help with my studies.  Oh 
well.


Para Caló, key efxaistó.

Irini tu theú mazi.

Chris.
- Original Message - 
From: "Andrew Lamanche" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: biblical greek on the mac


Hi Brian,

I speak modern Greek and there's no problem with that because:
1.  AssistiveWare.com has a modern Greek voice Dimitris, which is very good,
2. and Apple provides a modern Greek voice Melina and Nikos.  Mac also has a 
modern Greek keyboard layout as well as ancient Greek keyboard which you can 
add to your keyboards.


You can change both keyboards and voices on the fly.

I don't think that ancient / biblical Greek is going to work with these 
voices because the letters with the diacritic marks that are used are not 
recognised by Voiceover nor by any other voices mentioned above.  But do 
check it out yourself.  you can easily add Apple's Greek voices to the 
selection of voices on the mac, activate the appropriate keyboard and 
confirm this.  I had no success with it when I got a piece of biblical text 
from somebody.


I'm sorry not to have better news for you.

Andrew

On 15 Jul 2015, at 20:11, Brian Howerton  wrote:

Hello all,
I am trying to teach myself new testament greek.  I was wondering if 
anyone has tested learning a biblical language on the mac with voiceover. 
Just was curious to see how that might work with voiceover as far as 
pronunciations and things like that.  Thanks,

Brian

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Re: biblical greek on the mac

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Brian,

I left a message for my friend Ben to call you.  He's got your number 
already, so you  should be hearing from him hopefully shortly.  I know he 
can help you tremendously with this.
- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Howerton" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: biblical greek on the mac


No problem Andrew.  That definitely helps though.  Right now I am digging in 
to a greek text in braille.  I am very overwhelmed by the greek braille 
code.  I wish there was a supplemental greek braille code manual that I 
could use while trying to learn Greek.  Right now, I am struggling trying to 
understand how the greek braille code works.

Brian

On Jul 15, 2015, at 3:25 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:

Hi Brian,

I speak modern Greek and there's no problem with that because:
1.  AssistiveWare.com has a modern Greek voice Dimitris, which is very 
good,
2. and Apple provides a modern Greek voice Melina and Nikos.  Mac also has 
a modern Greek keyboard layout as well as ancient Greek keyboard which you 
can add to your keyboards.


You can change both keyboards and voices on the fly.

I don't think that ancient / biblical Greek is going to work with these 
voices because the letters with the diacritic marks that are used are not 
recognised by Voiceover nor by any other voices mentioned above.  But do 
check it out yourself.  you can easily add Apple's Greek voices to the 
selection of voices on the mac, activate the appropriate keyboard and 
confirm this.  I had no success with it when I got a piece of biblical 
text from somebody.


I'm sorry not to have better news for you.

Andrew

On 15 Jul 2015, at 20:11, Brian Howerton  wrote:

Hello all,
I am trying to teach myself new testament greek.  I was wondering if 
anyone has tested learning a biblical language on the mac with voiceover. 
Just was curious to see how that might work with voiceover as far as 
pronunciations and things like that.  Thanks,

Brian

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Re: Apple TV Connection Question

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Exactly,

Most! receivers, mine not included which surprises me.  You'd think with my 
system being as high end as it is, that it would have an optical, but 
yeah... no dice.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: Apple TV Connection Question


The AppleTV box has five connectors across the back. Power, HDMI with a
micro-USB just below it, Optical Audio and Ethernet. The optical out is
the little square kind you find on most digital receivers.

CB

On 7/15/15 2:04 PM, Brian Fischler wrote:

Hi Tim,

what is the setup you have going out of the optical? I was under the 
impression the Apple TV only had a power cord and cdmi out, so not sure 
what you guys are talking about optically? The sound bar I am looking at 
is the Wilton Sound Bar with Bluetooth sold on Amazon as it has a ton of 
input and outputs, and I think the only thing I would be using would be 
the volume so once I figure that out would not need sighted assistance to 
work it, the amazon ad mentions it works with gaming stuff but does not 
mention the Apple TV, here is the link if anyone wants to take a look at 
it. Thanks for all the feedback 
http://www.amazon.com/Wilton-SBHD210-Bluetooth-Soundbar-Surround/dp/B00XO50TSG

On Jul 15, 2015, at 10:35 AM, Tim Emmons  wrote:

This is the setup I have, and it’s beautiful. Also, if I want to listen 
to iTunes Radio which will soon become apple Music, I don’t have to turn 
the tv on, I can run it just through the Bar and it’s nice. Hope you can 
get it to work for you.
On Jul 14, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


OK, so it looks like if you want a soundbar, your best bet would be to 
go optical out of the Apple TV, to Opbical in on the soundbar.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Brian Fischler" 


To: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 8:29 PM
Subject: Apple TV Connection Question


I am finally thinking about getting an Apple TV, but am curious as I 
know you have to connect it via HDMI, but am curious can I buy a Sound 
Bar home receiver that has an HDMI input and then use the Apple TV 
without a TV? Thanks, curious if you just need any receiver with a HDMI 
input.


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more apple music playlist issues.

[deedra waters]

I seem to only be able to add one  album per playlist does anyone know why this 
is and how to fix it? I’d ideally like to pull several albums into a playlist.


deedra waters
dee...@the-brannons.com



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cannot add some tracks to iCloud library

[Ray Foret Jr]

I have a custom album which I compiled consisting of two tracks.  I let iTunes 
do the convirtion from .wav to .m4a.  I have my iTunes set to encode at 256KBPS 
stereo .M4a.  When ever I select the tracks and then open the short cut menu, I 
select Add to iCloud library and it doesn't show the files actually being 
added.  When I look again at the tracks info, they change from "needing upload" 
to "ineligible".  Why is this the case?  It makes no sense to me since I have 
24 of my "Ray's world" podcasts as a custom album and that uploaded to Icloud 
just fine.  Those podcasts were recordings that I am very certain iTunes cannot 
match in their collection.  So, can anybody here take a guess at what I might 
be doing wrong?  It's not for lack of space:  as I have 180GB left in my Icloud 
space and this material doesn't even begin to come close to that. Any guesses 
or tries at figuring this out would be helpful.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my Mac,
the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in

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siri's sense of humor, and ability to..?

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi folks,
as to the first question, I understand she? had no idea she is a girl, 
has an amusing answer to  questions like... what's zero divided by zero?"

if noone has tried it, I will not spoil the fun.
I understand too that she will correct anyone  seeking physical 
information 
about Bruce Jenner.

The other half of my question has to do with nuance.
I recently visited an apple store to learn  if the ios voices could be 
nuanced the way mac voices can.  I was dismayed that while you can speed 
the voice up and slow it down, you cannot  improve the over all 
quality..but I did not try Siri  at all.

I was working with an ipad, not a phone.
so can she be improved?
I may need to check her out, I tend to prefer a guy's voice talking in my 
ear even on my computer lol.
Still  it might be the difference between ever using an ios device as is 
the case now, and considering an iphone for non phone tasks.

Thanks,
Karen

Re: siri's sense of humor, and ability to..?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Siri can either be male or female.  I have Siri set to the male voice as I find 
it to be a better voice, at least to my ears.  The quality of Siri's voice is 
quite good although you have no ability to mess with its quality anymore than 
you can mess with the other VO voices.

I think I'll have a cookie now.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 15, 2015, at 21:46, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Hi folks,
as to the first question, I understand she? had no idea she is a girl, has an 
amusing answer to  questions like... what's zero divided by zero?"
if noone has tried it, I will not spoil the fun.
I understand too that she will correct anyone  seeking physical information 
about Bruce Jenner.
The other half of my question has to do with nuance.
I recently visited an apple store to learn  if the ios voices could be nuanced 
the way mac voices can.  I was dismayed that while you can speed the voice up 
and slow it down, you cannot  improve the over all quality..but I did not try 
Siri  at all.
I was working with an ipad, not a phone.
so can she be improved?
I may need to check her out, I tend to prefer a guy's voice talking in my ear 
even on my computer lol.
Still  it might be the difference between ever using an ios device as is the 
case now, and considering an iphone for non phone tasks.
Thanks,
Karen


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garage band

[Juan Hernandez]

Hi All,

I need to last minute audio editing for a project.  I saw on apples that 
audacity is not accessible.  I was reading on the internet that one can edit 
audio files with GarageBand.  I see the only to open your audio file in gb is 
to drag and drop it.  I see no other open method.

I want to buy amadeus pro, but that’ll have to weight until I have money on 
friday.

Any help would truly be appreciated.

Best

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Re: garage band

[Dewald Gmail]

Hi. I am going through Jonathan Mosen's tutorial on Amadeus poo. Simply 
amazing! 
Very cool program. 

Thanks. Dewald.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 16, 2015, at 7:02 AM, Juan Hernandez  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I need to last minute audio editing for a project.  I saw on apples that 
> audacity is not accessible.  I was reading on the internet that one can edit 
> audio files with GarageBand.  I see the only to open your audio file in gb is 
> to drag and drop it.  I see no other open method.
> 
> I want to buy amadeus pro, but that’ll have to weight until I have money on 
> friday.
> 
> Any help would truly be appreciated.
> 
> Best
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Re: biblical greek on the mac

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi Brian,

On my mac, I use Greek Braille tables with my refreshable Braille display and 
the table is in grade 1 Braille so I didn't have to learn much in order to 
read.  I have very little experience of the Greek grade 2 Braille as i have no 
access to their Braille paper literature.  On the mac side, you can choose 
Greek Braille table in Voiceover utility under the Braille tab.  Incidentally, 
the Greek table on the mac also works fine for English so I don't have to 
switch Braille tables all the time.  I just have the table set to Greek and it 
works for both English and Greek.

Hope things are going to work out for you.

Best wishes

Andrew
> On 15 Jul 2015, at 20:35, Brian Howerton  wrote:
> 
> No problem Andrew.  That definitely helps though.  Right now I am digging in 
> to a greek text in braille.  I am very overwhelmed by the greek braille code. 
>  I wish there was a supplemental greek braille code manual that I could use 
> while trying to learn Greek.  Right now, I am struggling trying to understand 
> how the greek braille code works.
> Brian
>> On Jul 15, 2015, at 3:25 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Brian,
>> 
>> I speak modern Greek and there's no problem with that because:
>> 1.  AssistiveWare.com has a modern Greek voice Dimitris, which is very good, 
>> 2. and Apple provides a modern Greek voice Melina and Nikos.  Mac also has a 
>> modern Greek keyboard layout as well as ancient Greek keyboard which you can 
>> add to your keyboards.
>> 
>> You can change both keyboards and voices on the fly.
>> 
>> I don't think that ancient / biblical Greek is going to work with these 
>> voices because the letters with the diacritic marks that are used are not 
>> recognised by Voiceover nor by any other voices mentioned above.  But do 
>> check it out yourself.  you can easily add Apple's Greek voices to the 
>> selection of voices on the mac, activate the appropriate keyboard and 
>> confirm this.  I had no success with it when I got a piece of biblical text 
>> from somebody.
>> 
>> I'm sorry not to have better news for you.
>> 
>> Andrew
>>> On 15 Jul 2015, at 20:11, Brian Howerton  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> I am trying to teach myself new testament greek.  I was wondering if anyone 
>>> has tested learning a biblical language on the mac with voiceover.  Just 
>>> was curious to see how that might work with voiceover as far as 
>>> pronunciations and things like that.  Thanks,
>>> Brian
>>> 
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Re: garage band

['Gabriele Battaglia' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Juan.
Amadeus Pro allows you to edit almost any AudioFileFormat in a quite 
accessible way.
Garageband, on the other hand, as far as I know doesn't allow to edit so 
easily and I've strong dubts about its accessibility, unfortunately.

Gabriel.

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