Re: how to turn off stickykeys being announced in voiceover in osx?

[helmuth]

Hi, thanks for your reply. Tried this already, but it keeps saying 
"stickykeys", whenever a modifier is pressed, so problem is not solved. You 
can try it out by pressing 5x shift, this will turn the feature on and off. 
Thanks for your further help in advance, Helmuth

Am Donnerstag, 7. Mai 2015 11:47:17 UTC+2 schrieb Dionipher Herrera:
>
> you can go to voice over utility then on the vervocity go to accnouncement 
> then uncheck Announce when a modifier key is pressed unchecked 
> > On 07 May 2015, at 9:18 am, helmuth > 
> wrote: 
> > 
> > Hi all, 
> > As I cant use my left hand due to a disability, i have to use the 
> stickykeys feature (5x shift turns it on) in yosemite. But whenever i press 
> one of these keys (shift, select, command etc.) on my macbook air, 
> voiceover says stickykeys, which is quite annoying. Any idea how to get rid 
> of this? Am not happy with my mac if this cant get fixed. Already asked in 
> applevis forum, but no reply. Any Idea? 
> > Thanks in advance, Helmuth 
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Re: Preparing Full Drive for Use on Windows and Mac?

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

You can’t resize an NTFS filesystem with OS X.  You’ll need Windows.  If you 
don’t have Windows, you’re only option is to move the data temporarily; you 
could create an encrypted disk image on a cloud service and use that, in a 
pinch.

Even if you had Windows, resizing is a risky business.  I wouldn’t do it—not 
with the only copy of your data, certainly.  It seems to be a universal truth 
that your only surviving copy will crash and burn during a repartitioning 
operation.  You should have at least one backup.

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Re: learning to program with Apple's new language on mac or iOS

[William Gallik]

Thanks Grant, I've tried some unorthodox gestures try to get to a different 
page but they didn't work. However, I didn't try what you had suggested – 
again, thank you!


– William Gallik
– Sent from "Bill's iPhone 5"

> On May 8, 2015, at 1:14 AM, Grant Hardy  wrote:
> 
> Try swiping left with three fingers. If that doesn’t work, try touching the 
> text that’s being displayed in the welcome screen, then repeating the 
> three-finger swipe left. There are other occasional elements in this app that 
> are a bit unorthodox, such as fields that look like edit boxes which really 
> bring up a menu of options rather than a free form edit field. However, the 
> app seems to be accessible.
> 
> Grant
> 
> On May 7, 2015, at 10:03 AM, William Gallik  wrote:
> 
> I installed Swifty and opened it only to find that I could not get off of 
> page 1. What is the trick for doing this? does anybody know? please advise, 
> thank you!
> 
> 
> 
> - Bill
> - Sent from "Bill's iPhone 6"
> 
>> On May 7, 2015, at 8:41 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you so, so much!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 6, 2015, at 1:43 PM, Grant Hardy  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Do you have an iOS device? If so, there's an app in the iOS App Store that 
>>> purports to teach you Swift in an interactive manner. It may be worth 
>>> checking out. Here's the link.
>>> 
>>> Swifty - Learn to code in Swift! by Johannes Berger
>>> https://appsto.re/ca/HPb10.i
>>> 
>>> Grant
>>> 
 On May 6, 2015, at 4:34 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
 
 Hi all.
 I’ve tried my hands at this off and on throughout the years, and as a 
 possible source of income I thought I’d see if my little mind is capable 
 of grasping all this. So in tenth grade, I tried to learn to program, 
 using a code called quorum. This was in a classroom setting, with an 
 actual teacher, and I got pretty good at it, the little we went into it—we 
 got to conditional statements with if and all that. So I’m wondering, and 
 hope this isn’t too off topic, where good, rather beginner-style lessons 
 can be found that teaches programming and gives anything like assignments 
 or whatever. I have used, and completed, codecademy, a free iPhone app 
 that just works with HTML I believe, so I think I’m at a good beginner 
 level, lol.
 
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Re: some un-related mac questions

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi there. 
I recommend new Mac users start with TextEdit on word processing first. That 
way, you have less interacting in the beginning and it’s pretty simple. It’s 
already on your Mac. TextEdit doesn’t offer a lot of formatting options, but it 
does offer more than, Notepad in Windows. You can even read braille files in 
it. 

Gigi 

> On May 8, 2015, at 1:02 AM, Grant Hardy  wrote:
> 
> No worries about manually updating drivers. All necessary updates from Apple 
> are installed from the App Store, under the Updates tab. Alternatively, you 
> can choose whether or not you’d like these OS X updates to be automatically 
> installed by opening System Preferences and selecting the App Store button. 
> There are checkboxes to determine which updates you’d like installed 
> automatically.
> 
> I’d say Pages is probably a good, solid word processing choice to start with, 
> especially since it’s included free with new Macs, and works relatively well 
> with VoiceOver. This list is a great resource for asking any questions that 
> come up as you get to know Pages. There is a free book in the iBook Store, 
> “Mastering the Macintosh with Voiceover”, which covers the basics of the Mac 
> including Pages. It was written for Mac OS X 10.9 Mavericks rather than the 
> current OS, but you may still find it helpful. Link: 
> https://itunes.apple.com/ca/book/mastering-macintosh-voiceover/id899197795?mt=11
> 
> As well, if you’re interested, one other list member offers a detailed course 
> that you can pay for to learn the iWork apps in great detail. Unfortunately, 
> the link I have to her website seems to be broken, but I’m sure she, or 
> someone else, will post the correct link.
> 
> Microsoft Word 2016 is still in preview, so I wouldn’t rely on it 100%. It’s 
> promising, but still has a ways to go in terms of accessibility.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Grant
> 
> On May 7, 2015, at 7:20 PM, Ted Phillips  wrote:
> 
> Hi all.  I have some questions since working with my new macbook.  First, do 
> you have to update drivers like you do in Windows, and if so, where do you 
> find them?  in particular, I am wondering about the audio drivers for my 
> macbook.  I would like to have the best possible ones for my macbook.
> Second, I have microsoft Word preview for mac, pages, and am considering 
> Neises writer pro.  Is there any advantage with any one over the others?  
> Would it benefit me to by Neises writer pro? Thanks all for any help and 
> advice.
> 
> Ted Phillips
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Re: I forgot one question

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi Ted. 
I want to tell you one difference, and it’s simple, but it drove me crazy until 
I figured it out when I first got my Mac. In Finder, if you want to copy to a 
folder, and you have have pressed command c on the file, you don’t want to 
press the Enter key when you get to the folder you want to copy to. You just 
get on top of the folder and press either command v to paste a copy or option 
command v to move the file. I know you didn’t ask that, but I can tell you that 
if you forget like I did more than once and press the Enter key when you are on 
top of a folder, you will find yourself in the rename place, and new Mac users 
may have trouble figuring out what happened for a while. I like pressing Enter 
on top of a foler or file to rename it now, but I created some interesting file 
organizations on my Mac when I first got it because of this. 

Gigi 

> On May 8, 2015, at 1:11 AM, Grant Hardy  wrote:
> 
> The method you’re using is perfectly reasonable. However, you can easily have 
> multiple Finder windows. To open a new Finder window, press COMMAND+N. To 
> cycle through open windows in an application, including the Finder, press 
> COMMAND+GRAVE or COMMAND+SHIFT+GRAVE to move in the opposite direction. These 
> commands both wrap. The GRAVE ACCENT KEY should be the key just below the 
> ESCAPE KEY, at the left edge of the number row. To close a window, press 
> COMMAND+W. With two or more Finder windows open, you might have an easier 
> time working between two or more separate locations.
> 
> As an aside, make sure you check out the Go Menu in the Finder menu bar to 
> review all the keyboard shortcuts you can use to jump around the file system. 
> For example, to get to your documents folder, you can press COMMAND+SHIFT+O. 
> You can also set the default folder that should be displayed when you open a 
> new Finder window. This is done from the general page in Finder’s preferences.
> 
> Grant
> 
> On May 7, 2015, at 7:25 PM, Ted Phillips  wrote:
> 
> I forgot one question.  How do you work effectively between two windows, such 
> as on two drives?  Do you use spaces or two finder windows?  I have not been 
> able to figure that out.  If I want to copy a document from one folder to 
> another, I go get the document, close the folder, and then go and paste it in 
> the new location.  Is there a better way to do this?
> Thanks all, and forgive me for asking what might be obvious to long-time mac 
> users.
> 
> Thanks all
> 
> Ted Phillips
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Re: Change language in Apple Watch?

[Daniela Rubio]

Thank you very much for your comment, it helped me!
Best

Daniela Rubio T
iPhone: +34662328507




> El 6/5/2015, a las 21:12, george b  escribió:
> 
> You have to do it through eather the phone / apple watch app, or on the 
> watch.  It is both under settings and reset this is the only way, but there 
> are two types of reset to choos from once in reset
>  
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniela Rubio
> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 11:54
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Change language in Apple Watch?
>  
> Hello all!
> I would like to know, if somebody can help, if I can change the language of 
> the Watch once it has been set up.
> I will receive mine tomorrow, but even as I want to use it in english, I 
> would love to do the setup in Spanish, so I can record a little demo in 
> Spanish for sharing.
> I suppose that I can change back the language again to english from the Apple 
> Watch app, but I would like to be sure.
> Thanks!
> Daniela Rubio T
>  
>  
> 
> Daniela Rubio T
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> Productos innovadores y cursos a tu medida certificados por Apple.
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Re: I forgot one question

[Ted Phillips]

Thanks so much for the help you guys.  It is really appreciated.
> On May 8, 2015, at 12:11 AM, Grant Hardy  wrote:
> 
> The method you’re using is perfectly reasonable. However, you can easily have 
> multiple Finder windows. To open a new Finder window, press COMMAND+N. To 
> cycle through open windows in an application, including the Finder, press 
> COMMAND+GRAVE or COMMAND+SHIFT+GRAVE to move in the opposite direction. These 
> commands both wrap. The GRAVE ACCENT KEY should be the key just below the 
> ESCAPE KEY, at the left edge of the number row. To close a window, press 
> COMMAND+W. With two or more Finder windows open, you might have an easier 
> time working between two or more separate locations.
> 
> As an aside, make sure you check out the Go Menu in the Finder menu bar to 
> review all the keyboard shortcuts you can use to jump around the file system. 
> For example, to get to your documents folder, you can press COMMAND+SHIFT+O. 
> You can also set the default folder that should be displayed when you open a 
> new Finder window. This is done from the general page in Finder’s preferences.
> 
> Grant
> 
> On May 7, 2015, at 7:25 PM, Ted Phillips  wrote:
> 
> I forgot one question.  How do you work effectively between two windows, such 
> as on two drives?  Do you use spaces or two finder windows?  I have not been 
> able to figure that out.  If I want to copy a document from one folder to 
> another, I go get the document, close the folder, and then go and paste it in 
> the new location.  Is there a better way to do this?
> Thanks all, and forgive me for asking what might be obvious to long-time mac 
> users.
> 
> Thanks all
> 
> Ted Phillips
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Re: Swift Courses on iTunes U

[Dionipher Presas Herrera]

thank you , i might take a look.
> On 07 May 2015, at 8:15 pm, Barry Hadder  wrote:
> 
> For anyone interested in taking a course on Swift and IOS development, 
> Stanford has a course on iTunes U.  The link is 
> https://itunes.apple.com/us/course/developing-ios-8-apps-swift/id961180099 
> . 
>  I think that link should open it in iTunes.
> I have not taken this course, but it looks like it might be helpful to 
> someone and I thought I would pass it allong   .
> 
> 
> Barry Hadder
> bhad...@gmail.com 
> 
> 
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Nook

[Christine Grassman]

I have not used the Nook app for a while, but recently downloaded and attempted 
to read a book. Where as I used to be able to swipe easily from page to page, I 
now receive a “please wait” message and the new page loads slowly, or does not 
load at all until I’ve tried swiping a time or two more.
Since I wish to take notes as I read, I do not wish to read continuously, which 
is working fine.  Has anyone else noticed this problem, and is there something 
I can do to make page by page reading quicker? TIA.
Christine

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Re: learning to program with Apple's new language on mac or iOS

[Barry Hadder]

I recommend this course on iTunes U: 
https://itunes.apple.com/us/course/developing-ios-8-apps-swift/id961180099 
.
I’ve subscribed to it and it looks good.  All of the slides and programming 
assignments are in pdf.

Here is the swift resource page on developer.apple.com: 
https://developer.apple.com/swift/resources/
Note that playgrounds can’t be used with Voiceover, but you don’t really need 
that.


On May 8, 2015, at 5:03 AM, William Gallik  wrote:

Thanks Grant, I've tried some unorthodox gestures try to get to a different 
page but they didn't work. However, I didn't try what you had suggested – 
again, thank you!


– William Gallik
– Sent from "Bill's iPhone 5"

On May 8, 2015, at 1:14 AM, Grant Hardy mailto:grant.li...@icloud.com>> wrote:

> Try swiping left with three fingers. If that doesn’t work, try touching the 
> text that’s being displayed in the welcome screen, then repeating the 
> three-finger swipe left. There are other occasional elements in this app that 
> are a bit unorthodox, such as fields that look like edit boxes which really 
> bring up a menu of options rather than a free form edit field. However, the 
> app seems to be accessible.
> 
> Grant
> 
> On May 7, 2015, at 10:03 AM, William Gallik  > wrote:
> 
> I installed Swifty and opened it only to find that I could not get off of 
> page 1. What is the trick for doing this? does anybody know? please advise, 
> thank you!
> 
> 
> 
> - Bill
> - Sent from "Bill's iPhone 6"
> 
> On May 7, 2015, at 8:41 AM, Devin Prater  > wrote:
> 
>> Thank you so, so much!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 6, 2015, at 1:43 PM, Grant Hardy >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Do you have an iOS device? If so, there's an app in the iOS App Store that 
>>> purports to teach you Swift in an interactive manner. It may be worth 
>>> checking out. Here's the link.
>>> 
>>> Swifty - Learn to code in Swift! by Johannes Berger
>>> https://appsto.re/ca/HPb10.i 
>>> 
>>> Grant
>>> 
 On May 6, 2015, at 4:34 AM, Devin Prater >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi all.
 I’ve tried my hands at this off and on throughout the years, and as a 
 possible source of income I thought I’d see if my little mind is capable 
 of grasping all this. So in tenth grade, I tried to learn to program, 
 using a code called quorum. This was in a classroom setting, with an 
 actual teacher, and I got pretty good at it, the little we went into it—we 
 got to conditional statements with if and all that. So I’m wondering, and 
 hope this isn’t too off topic, where good, rather beginner-style lessons 
 can be found that teaches programming and gives anything like assignments 
 or whatever. I have used, and completed, codecademy, a free iPhone app 
 that just works with HTML I believe, so I think I’m at a good beginner 
 level, lol.
 
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Interesting question about the Apple TV

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

This question applies both to the 2nd and the 3rd generations.

So, I take close note here of realizing that to close one of the... well... as 
I call them, applets on the device, by applet, I mean any of the things on your 
menu, like Netflix, Movies, Hulu, HBO Now, PBX Kids, etc.  Anyway, to close any 
of these, you simply either hit your back button until you reach the main home 
screen menu, or, you press and hold down the menu key.  I know depending on if 
you have the accessibility menu on or off, you then may have one more step to 
get to the main menu, but my point still remains either way.

My question is, how do we really truely and honestly know if those applets 
really indeed are fully closing?  We don't really have an app switcher/chooser, 
nor do we have a process manager/task manager of sort on the device, so really 
Apple can say all the doo da day that these apps are closing, but, you know as 
well as I, whether you like admitting it or not, that some companies, not 
saying just Apple here, I mean this more generalized, have a tendency to 
stretch or omit the truth with some things.  I just wonder if maybe the memory 
resources are actually not totally being cleared up just by backing out of 
something.  I wonder if on the low level end, if there's an accessible way that 
we could find out and know for 100% sure what *really!* actually happens when 
one backs out of one of those apps.

Kind a makes you wonder, doesn't it?

Chris.

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Re: Interesting question about the Apple TV

[Ray Foret Jr]

Truth to tell, there is no accessible way, of which I am aware, to judge 
whether those apps are really and truly closing when the main menu is returned 
to.  Some would, I suppose, say that in this case, it really does not matter.  
Seems to me, if Netflix's behavior is anything  by which to judge, however, 
that the apps truly do close when the main menu is returned to.  This, I judge 
by tha fact that every time I return to the main menu and then open up Netflix 
again on my Apple TV, I land in the screen where I am asked "who's watching 
netflix?'.  The fact that I stay apparently signed in, though, could also be 
interpreated to mean that the app is not really closing. I suppose, for what 
it's worth, that they do actually close.

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my Mac,
the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in

> On May 8, 2015, at 11:18 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> This question applies both to the 2nd and the 3rd generations.
>  
> So, I take close note here of realizing that to close one of the... well... 
> as I call them, applets on the device, by applet, I mean any of the things on 
> your menu, like Netflix, Movies, Hulu, HBO Now, PBX Kids, etc.  Anyway, to 
> close any of these, you simply either hit your back button until you reach 
> the main home screen menu, or, you press and hold down the menu key.  I know 
> depending on if you have the accessibility menu on or off, you then may have 
> one more step to get to the main menu, but my point still remains either way.
>  
> My question is, how do we really truely and honestly know if those applets 
> really indeed are fully closing?  We don't really have an app 
> switcher/chooser, nor do we have a process manager/task manager of sort on 
> the device, so really Apple can say all the doo da day that these apps are 
> closing, but, you know as well as I, whether you like admitting it or not, 
> that some companies, not saying just Apple here, I mean this more 
> generalized, have a tendency to stretch or omit the truth with some things.  
> I just wonder if maybe the memory resources are actually not totally being 
> cleared up just by backing out of something.  I wonder if on the low level 
> end, if there's an accessible way that we could find out and know for 100% 
> sure what *really!* actually happens when one backs out of one of those apps.
>  
> Kind a makes you wonder, doesn't it?
>  
> Chris.
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Re: Interesting question about the Apple TV

[Brent Harding]

The iPhone will stay signed in as well though. I think they just store some 
kind of cookie that keeps these apps signed in so you don't have to enter the 
info every time.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Ray Foret Jr 
  To: Mac Visionaries List 
  Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 11:44 AM
  Subject: Re: Interesting question about the Apple TV


  Truth to tell, there is no accessible way, of which I am aware, to judge 
whether those apps are really and truly closing when the main menu is returned 
to.  Some would, I suppose, say that in this case, it really does not matter.  
Seems to me, if Netflix's behavior is anything  by which to judge, however, 
that the apps truly do close when the main menu is returned to.  This, I judge 
by tha fact that every time I return to the main menu and then open up Netflix 
again on my Apple TV, I land in the screen where I am asked "who's watching 
netflix?'.  The fact that I stay apparently signed in, though, could also be 
interpreated to mean that the app is not really closing. I suppose, for what 
it's worth, that they do actually close.


  Sincerely,
  The Constantly Barefooted Ray


  Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

  Sent from my Mac,
  the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in


On May 8, 2015, at 11:18 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


This question applies both to the 2nd and the 3rd generations.

So, I take close note here of realizing that to close one of the... well... 
as I call them, applets on the device, by applet, I mean any of the things on 
your menu, like Netflix, Movies, Hulu, HBO Now, PBX Kids, etc.  Anyway, to 
close any of these, you simply either hit your back button until you reach the 
main home screen menu, or, you press and hold down the menu key.  I know 
depending on if you have the accessibility menu on or off, you then may have 
one more step to get to the main menu, but my point still remains either way.

My question is, how do we really truely and honestly know if those applets 
really indeed are fully closing?  We don't really have an app switcher/chooser, 
nor do we have a process manager/task manager of sort on the device, so really 
Apple can say all the doo da day that these apps are closing, but, you know as 
well as I, whether you like admitting it or not, that some companies, not 
saying just Apple here, I mean this more generalized, have a tendency to 
stretch or omit the truth with some things.  I just wonder if maybe the memory 
resources are actually not totally being cleared up just by backing out of 
something.  I wonder if on the low level end, if there's an accessible way that 
we could find out and know for 100% sure what *really!* actually happens when 
one backs out of one of those apps.

Kind a makes you wonder, doesn't it?

Chris.


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Re: Preparing Full Drive for Use on Windows and Mac?

[Roland Zitzke]

Hi, I am using ntfs-3g in conjunction with home-brew and it works so well 
with NTFS drives that I almost forgot I had to install it once.

The setup is terminal based and fully accessible and once it is installed 
it works in the background.
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Highlighting for Instapaper

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi Folks,

does anyone use the highlight tap of Instapaper in Safari 8? The manual says 
just to highlight text on a web page and press Highlight in the options menue. 
Unfortunately I couldn’t find such a menue. Could someone tell me how to save 
text in Highlight in Instapaper using VO?

Thanks and all the best
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Re: Interesting question about the Apple TV

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I agree with you that most likely, they are indeed closing.  It’s just 
something that I happened to be thinking about.  Call me weird.

Chris.

> On May 8, 2015, at 12:44 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> Truth to tell, there is no accessible way, of which I am aware, to judge 
> whether those apps are really and truly closing when the main menu is 
> returned to.  Some would, I suppose, say that in this case, it really does 
> not matter.  Seems to me, if Netflix's behavior is anything  by which to 
> judge, however, that the apps truly do close when the main menu is returned 
> to.  This, I judge by tha fact that every time I return to the main menu and 
> then open up Netflix again on my Apple TV, I land in the screen where I am 
> asked "who's watching netflix?'.  The fact that I stay apparently signed in, 
> though, could also be interpreated to mean that the app is not really 
> closing. I suppose, for what it's worth, that they do actually close.
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> 
> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
> Sent from my Mac,
> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
> 
>> On May 8, 2015, at 11:18 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland > > wrote:
>> 
>> This question applies both to the 2nd and the 3rd generations.
>>  
>> So, I take close note here of realizing that to close one of the... well... 
>> as I call them, applets on the device, by applet, I mean any of the things 
>> on your menu, like Netflix, Movies, Hulu, HBO Now, PBX Kids, etc.  Anyway, 
>> to close any of these, you simply either hit your back button until you 
>> reach the main home screen menu, or, you press and hold down the menu key.  
>> I know depending on if you have the accessibility menu on or off, you then 
>> may have one more step to get to the main menu, but my point still remains 
>> either way.
>>  
>> My question is, how do we really truely and honestly know if those applets 
>> really indeed are fully closing?  We don't really have an app 
>> switcher/chooser, nor do we have a process manager/task manager of sort on 
>> the device, so really Apple can say all the doo da day that these apps are 
>> closing, but, you know as well as I, whether you like admitting it or not, 
>> that some companies, not saying just Apple here, I mean this more 
>> generalized, have a tendency to stretch or omit the truth with some things.  
>> I just wonder if maybe the memory resources are actually not totally being 
>> cleared up just by backing out of something.  I wonder if on the low level 
>> end, if there's an accessible way that we could find out and know for 100% 
>> sure what *really!* actually happens when one backs out of one of those apps.
>>  
>> Kind a makes you wonder, doesn't it?
>>  
>> Chris.
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Re: Interesting question about the Apple TV

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Remember too, there is a setting within the Netflix applet that allows you to 
sign out.  So, I think it’s probably saving your account info within some sort 
of a preference thing on the lower level of things.

Chris.


> On May 8, 2015, at 1:30 PM, Brent Harding  wrote:
> 
> The iPhone will stay signed in as well though. I think they just store some 
> kind of cookie that keeps these apps signed in so you don't have to enter the 
> info every time.
>  
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Ray Foret Jr 
>> To: Mac Visionaries List 
>> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 11:44 AM
>> Subject: Re: Interesting question about the Apple TV
>> 
>> Truth to tell, there is no accessible way, of which I am aware, to judge 
>> whether those apps are really and truly closing when the main menu is 
>> returned to.  Some would, I suppose, say that in this case, it really does 
>> not matter.  Seems to me, if Netflix's behavior is anything  by which to 
>> judge, however, that the apps truly do close when the main menu is returned 
>> to.  This, I judge by tha fact that every time I return to the main menu and 
>> then open up Netflix again on my Apple TV, I land in the screen where I am 
>> asked "who's watching netflix?'.  The fact that I stay apparently signed in, 
>> though, could also be interpreated to mean that the app is not really 
>> closing. I suppose, for what it's worth, that they do actually close.
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> 
>> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac,
>> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
>> 
>>> On May 8, 2015, at 11:18 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This question applies both to the 2nd and the 3rd generations.
>>>  
>>> So, I take close note here of realizing that to close one of the... well... 
>>> as I call them, applets on the device, by applet, I mean any of the things 
>>> on your menu, like Netflix, Movies, Hulu, HBO Now, PBX Kids, etc.  Anyway, 
>>> to close any of these, you simply either hit your back button until you 
>>> reach the main home screen menu, or, you press and hold down the menu key.  
>>> I know depending on if you have the accessibility menu on or off, you then 
>>> may have one more step to get to the main menu, but my point still remains 
>>> either way.
>>>  
>>> My question is, how do we really truely and honestly know if those applets 
>>> really indeed are fully closing?  We don't really have an app 
>>> switcher/chooser, nor do we have a process manager/task manager of sort on 
>>> the device, so really Apple can say all the doo da day that these apps are 
>>> closing, but, you know as well as I, whether you like admitting it or not, 
>>> that some companies, not saying just Apple here, I mean this more 
>>> generalized, have a tendency to stretch or omit the truth with some things. 
>>>  I just wonder if maybe the memory resources are actually not totally being 
>>> cleared up just by backing out of something.  I wonder if on the low level 
>>> end, if there's an accessible way that we could find out and know for 100% 
>>> sure what *really!* actually happens when one backs out of one of those 
>>> apps.
>>>  
>>> Kind a makes you wonder, doesn't it?
>>>  
>>> Chris.
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Skype very important, please help

[Nancy Badger]

Hello,
I have to do a job interview on Skype. Can anyone tell me where it is the most 
accessible way to do it? Should I use my Mac, or my iPad? Any tips or 
instructions would also be helpful.
Thanks
Nancy

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
UT Chattanooga
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.

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Re: Skype very important, please help

[David Chittenden]

If on the Macbook, the camera is at the top of the display. If on the iPad, you 
will need to keep the iPad facing you for the camera. For this reason, I would 
suggest the Macbook.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 9 May 2015, at 09:55, Nancy Badger  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I have to do a job interview on Skype. Can anyone tell me where it is the 
> most accessible way to do it? Should I use my Mac, or my iPad? Any tips or 
> instructions would also be helpful.
> Thanks
> Nancy
> 
> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
> Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
> UT Chattanooga
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Re: Skype very important, please help

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I don't wanna get into personal things, but what will be involved in the 
interview?  In other words, do you need to take notes, for example?  If so, 
you'd probably do best using the mac.  I presume you have a microphone, or a 
model system with a built in microphone and eyesight camera.  No, you don't 
have to use the camera if you don't want to, don't worry.


I use Skype on my mac quite regularly, so if you need any help, let me know.

Also, you're welcome to add me to your contacts, if you'd like to just chat 
a bit ahead of time and get a feel for the app before the big event.


My Skype name is:

twinklesfriend2007

Actually, anyone on this list is more than welcome to add me.  All that I 
ask, if you do so, is please don't just send me the generic Hi 
Twinklesfriend2007, please add me to your Skype contacts message.  Please 
personalize it by deleting that text out of the text field, and typing in 
your actual name, and where I know you from specifically.  Just as a 
security percaution, I do not add people who just send the default generic 
message.  If you want to add me but can't figure out how to edit that 
message, then please e-mail me and let me know your Skype name, and that it 
was you who added me.  This way, I don't dismiss it as only a spammer.  I 
now have close to 1200 people on my contact list, literally speaking, so I 
therefore do! tend to get a lot of spam requests for some weird reason.


My private e-mail address is:

clgillan...@gmail.com

If I can help in any way, just let me know!

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Nancy Badger" 

To: ; 
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 7:55 PM
Subject: Skype very important, please help



Hello,
I have to do a job interview on Skype. Can anyone tell me where it is the 
most accessible way to do it? Should I use my Mac, or my iPad? Any tips or 
instructions would also be helpful.

Thanks
Nancy

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
UT Chattanooga
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling 
errors.


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Re: Skype very important, please help

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Good point though.

Chris.

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From: "David Chittenden" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: Skype very important, please help


If on the Macbook, the camera is at the top of the display. If on the 
iPad, you will need to keep the iPad facing you for the camera. For this 
reason, I would suggest the Macbook.


David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 9 May 2015, at 09:55, Nancy Badger  wrote:

Hello,
I have to do a job interview on Skype. Can anyone tell me where it is the 
most accessible way to do it? Should I use my Mac, or my iPad? Any tips 
or instructions would also be helpful.

Thanks
Nancy

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
UT Chattanooga
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling 
errors.


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Re: Skype very important, please help

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

We don't know that she's even gonna need the webcam part of things though. 
We'll just have to wait and see.


Chris.

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From: "David Chittenden" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: Skype very important, please help


If on the Macbook, the camera is at the top of the display. If on the 
iPad, you will need to keep the iPad facing you for the camera. For this 
reason, I would suggest the Macbook.


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Sent from my iPhone


On 9 May 2015, at 09:55, Nancy Badger  wrote:

Hello,
I have to do a job interview on Skype. Can anyone tell me where it is the 
most accessible way to do it? Should I use my Mac, or my iPad? Any tips 
or instructions would also be helpful.

Thanks
Nancy

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
UT Chattanooga
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling 
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SIRI not using enhanced quality voice on my new iPhone6

[Phil Halton]

I have U.S. english enhanced quality voice installed and selected as default 
language on my new iPhone6. However, SIRI appears to revert to the non-enhanced 
quality voice. Other than that, everything is as it should be with the voice. 
Any suggestions? I’ve looked everywhere I know to look and can’t find how to 
get siri to speak in the higher quality voice.

thanks

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Re: SIRI not using enhanced quality voice on my new iPhone6

[Phil Halton]

As an update, I contacted apple accessibility and they suggested a hard reset 
and restore from iCloud backup.
> The big question is, can I get VoiceOver during the setup process? I know you 
> just turn it on with command F5 on OS X, but what about on IOS? I think it 
> requires sighted assistance to get VO up and talking during setup. Any help 
> on this?

They set up a geniusBar appointment for me just in case I need the help, but 
I’d like to do this on my own  if possible.


> On May 8, 2015, at 9:27 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> I have U.S. english enhanced quality voice installed and selected as default 
> language on my new iPhone6. However, SIRI appears to revert to the 
> non-enhanced quality voice. Other than that, everything is as it should be 
> with the voice. Any suggestions? I’ve looked everywhere I know to look and 
> can’t find how to get siri to speak in the higher quality voice.
> 
> thanks
> 

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Is VO avbailable during the setup process on IOS8.3?

[Phil Halton]

I need to do a reset and restore from backup on my iPhone6, but I don’t think 
VO is readily available at that point. Don’t I need a sighted person to 
initially turn it on on the iPhone?

Oh wait, Can’t I turn on VO from iTunes?
Please give me any details on reseting and restoring with VO?

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Re: Is VO avbailable during the setup process on IOS8.3?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Phil,

You're gonna be just fine.  Once the phone boots up, just tripple click the 
home key.  No, you don't have to set that up first.  If you do it right then 
from the very very first screen that pops up, you'll be just fine.


Chris.

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To: "Macvisionaries" 
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 10:15 PM
Subject: Is VO avbailable during the setup process on IOS8.3?


I need to do a reset and restore from backup on my iPhone6, but I don’t 
think VO is readily available at that point. Don’t I need a sighted person 
to initially turn it on on the iPhone?


Oh wait, Can’t I turn on VO from iTunes?
Please give me any details on reseting and restoring with VO?

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Re: Skype very important, please help

[David Chittenden]

Unless the interviewer is blind, video connection is usually expected for such 
meetings.

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> On 9 May 2015, at 10:34, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> We don't know that she's even gonna need the webcam part of things though. 
> We'll just have to wait and see.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "David Chittenden" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 8:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Skype very important, please help
> 
> 
>> If on the Macbook, the camera is at the top of the display. If on the iPad, 
>> you will need to keep the iPad facing you for the camera. For this reason, I 
>> would suggest the Macbook.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 9 May 2015, at 09:55, Nancy Badger  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> I have to do a job interview on Skype. Can anyone tell me where it is the 
>>> most accessible way to do it? Should I use my Mac, or my iPad? Any tips or 
>>> instructions would also be helpful.
>>> Thanks
>>> Nancy
>>> 
>>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>>> Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
>>> UT Chattanooga
>>> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.
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Re: Skype very important, please help

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I guess it depends on what type of intervew.  I apologize if I came across 
that your advice was unuseful.  That wasn't my intention at all!  You do 
have a very valid point.


Chris.

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From: "David Chittenden" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: Skype very important, please help


Unless the interviewer is blind, video connection is usually expected for 
such meetings.


David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 9 May 2015, at 10:34, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


We don't know that she's even gonna need the webcam part of things 
though. We'll just have to wait and see.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "David Chittenden" 


To: 
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: Skype very important, please help


If on the Macbook, the camera is at the top of the display. If on the 
iPad, you will need to keep the iPad facing you for the camera. For this 
reason, I would suggest the Macbook.


David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 9 May 2015, at 09:55, Nancy Badger  wrote:

Hello,
I have to do a job interview on Skype. Can anyone tell me where it is 
the most accessible way to do it? Should I use my Mac, or my iPad? Any 
tips or instructions would also be helpful.

Thanks
Nancy

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
UT Chattanooga
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling 
errors.


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Re: SIRI not using enhanced quality voice on my new iPhone6

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hi Phil. You can triple click the home button to start Voiceover during setup. 
But that shouldn't be necessary to reset your phone. As a matter of fact, what 
Apple Accessibility told you to do is wrong. The enhanced quality voice for 
Siri won't download if you're not plugged in to a power source and connected to 
wifi. Once those two steps are done, the voice should download. HTH.
Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook



> On May 8, 2015, at 9:13 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> As an update, I contacted apple accessibility and they suggested a hard reset 
> and restore from iCloud backup.
>> The big question is, can I get VoiceOver during the setup process? I know 
>> you just turn it on with command F5 on OS X, but what about on IOS? I think 
>> it requires sighted assistance to get VO up and talking during setup. Any 
>> help on this?
> 
> They set up a geniusBar appointment for me just in case I need the help, but 
> I’d like to do this on my own  if possible.
> 
> 
>> On May 8, 2015, at 9:27 PM, Phil Halton > > wrote:
>> 
>> I have U.S. english enhanced quality voice installed and selected as default 
>> language on my new iPhone6. However, SIRI appears to revert to the 
>> non-enhanced quality voice. Other than that, everything is as it should be 
>> with the voice. Any suggestions? I’ve looked everywhere I know to look and 
>> can’t find how to get siri to speak in the higher quality voice.
>> 
>> thanks
>> 
> 
> 
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Re: SIRI not using enhanced quality voice on my new iPhone6

[Alan Lemly]

Phil, 

Go into settings, general, accessibility, speech, voices, and then double tap 
on the appropriate language as I did US English. On the screen which opens, 
double tap on enhanced quality even if it says it is already selected. When I 
did this after getting my iPhone 6 and restoring my iPhone 5 backup to it, this 
setting said I had the enhanced voice but it didn't download until I drilled 
down into this setting. After that, the enhanced voice downloaded and worked 
fine. 

Let us know if this works. 

Alan Lemly 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 8, 2015, at 8:27 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> I have U.S. english enhanced quality voice installed and selected as default 
> language on my new iPhone6. However, SIRI appears to revert to the 
> non-enhanced quality voice. Other than that, everything is as it should be 
> with the voice. Any suggestions? I’ve looked everywhere I know to look and 
> can’t find how to get siri to speak in the higher quality voice.
> 
> thanks
> 
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Re: SIRI not using enhanced quality voice on my new iPhone6

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Alan, These steps only work for Voiceover. What he's trying to do is download 
the enhanced quality voice for Siri which is independent of Voiceover. In order 
to download the enhanced quality voice for Siri, you have to be plugged in to a 
power source and connected to wifi.

Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook



> On May 8, 2015, at 10:08 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> Phil, 
> 
> Go into settings, general, accessibility, speech, voices, and then double tap 
> on the appropriate language as I did US English. On the screen which opens, 
> double tap on enhanced quality even if it says it is already selected. When I 
> did this after getting my iPhone 6 and restoring my iPhone 5 backup to it, 
> this setting said I had the enhanced voice but it didn't download until I 
> drilled down into this setting. After that, the enhanced voice downloaded and 
> worked fine. 
> 
> Let us know if this works. 
> 
> Alan Lemly 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 8, 2015, at 8:27 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>> I have U.S. english enhanced quality voice installed and selected as default 
>> language on my new iPhone6. However, SIRI appears to revert to the 
>> non-enhanced quality voice. Other than that, everything is as it should be 
>> with the voice. Any suggestions? I’ve looked everywhere I know to look and 
>> can’t find how to get siri to speak in the higher quality voice.
>> 
>> thanks
>> 
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