date:20150329

Apologies.  I was tired, and accidentally sent that to the list.  My intention 
had been to send it to another address.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Mar 28, 2015, at 10:53 PM, The Believer  wrote:
> 
> Donna and others,
>   Every time the fire starts to go out, someone blows on it and it flares up. 
> The sooner people understand this, the sooner things settle down.
> 
>   This inconsequetial perv cannot insult me. I do not allow it. I simply 
> delete each emssage as it comes in. It is not worth the bother of creating a 
> message rule for it will soon be gone.
> 
>  Now cut the group owner/mod some slack. It is unreasonable to expect people 
> to monitor their groups 24/7.
> 
>   Again, stop replying to its messages or complaining for you only empower 
> it. You only give it the power. Take it back by using the delete key.
> 
> From The Believer. . .
>   By way of the Chariots of the
> Gods cameth the Aliens who
> dwelt amongst the humans,
> and bringeth much knowledge.
> 
> On 3/28/2015 8:31 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>  Mario Navarro has seriously been insulting people on the list.   his 
>> language has been profane and offensive, and I'm not easily offended.  Where 
>> on earth are the moderators? I've been a list mod, I get it, it's sometimes 
>> a hassle but if you're going to moderate this list you need to pay 
>> attention. This guy has now sent more than 15 messages insulting people and 
>> you all seem to be nowhere to be found. Either do your job, or abdicate. 
>> What's happening on the list right now is simply not acceptable. Please do 
>> something about it ASAP.
>> 
>> 
>> .
>> Sincerely,
>> Donna Goodin
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
> 
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Proposal to create an alternate MacVisionaries list

Hello all,

One thing that yesterday's events have made abundantly clear, is that this list 
is no longer being moderated.  This surprises me quite a bit, because in the 
early days of MacVisionaries, Cara was an extremely diligent moderator.  I know 
she took on at least one co-mod a while back, but I don't remember who that 
was, and that person doesn't seem to be around either.  While I'm not a big 
believer in heavy moderation, I do think that there at least needs to be 
someone paying some attention so that when morons like Mario get loose, they 
can be removed from the list.  I will therefore offer to create an alternate 
list, which I--and hopefully one co-mod will moderate, at least to the extent 
of managing subscriptions and dealing with bad behavior.  However, I don't want 
to do this unless it is something that the majority of the community wants.  
Please let me know if you would like an alternate moderated list, and also if 
you have any wish to co-mod with me.  Please note that even a low level of 
modding is a fair amount of work, so please don't offer unless you're willing 
and able to put in the time.  My hope is that if there are two of us, we can 
set things up so the work isn't too much for either one of us.
Thanks,
Donna

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Re: Proposal to create an alternate MacVisionaries list

2015-03-29 Thread Devin Prater

I think that'd be a good idea.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 29, 2015, at 5:11 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> One thing that yesterday's events have made abundantly clear, is that this 
> list is no longer being moderated.  This surprises me quite a bit, because in 
> the early days of MacVisionaries, Cara was an extremely diligent moderator.  
> I know she took on at least one co-mod a while back, but I don't remember who 
> that was, and that person doesn't seem to be around either.  While I'm not a 
> big believer in heavy moderation, I do think that there at least needs to be 
> someone paying some attention so that when morons like Mario get loose, they 
> can be removed from the list.  I will therefore offer to create an alternate 
> list, which I--and hopefully one co-mod will moderate, at least to the extent 
> of managing subscriptions and dealing with bad behavior.  However, I don't 
> want to do this unless it is something that the majority of the community 
> wants.  Please let me know if you would like an alternate moderated list, and 
> also if you have any wish to co-mod with me.  Please note that even a low 
> level of modding is a fair amount of work, so please don't offer unless 
> you're willing and able to put in the time.  My hope is that if there are two 
> of us, we can set things up so the work isn't too much for either one of us.
> Thanks,
> Donna
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Logos Bible Software

2015-03-29 Thread Emilio Hernandez

Hello everyone,

Has anyone downloaded Logos, a Bible software program for the Macintosh?
If so, has anyone found it to be voiceover accessible?

Thanks for any help anyone can provide.

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RE: To the moderators, is this really the type of person or content you want on this list?

2015-03-29 Thread Steve Nutt

Hi,

Not only that, there are message rules.  Just grab him and throw him in the 
junk folder.

Donna, I don't think another list is necessary, message rules take care of 
people like him.  That's not to say I'm condoning what he's doing, it is just 
purile.  But we can deal with it ourselves.  Also when you hear his name on the 
message summary list, just hit delete.

Don't feed the trolls!

All the best

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-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of The Believer
Sent: 28 March 2015 18:31
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: To the moderators, is this really the type of person or content 
you want on this list?

To all,
The best way to deal with this kind of behavior is simply to ignore 
it. That is it. Responding only encourages infantile mentalities.

 From The Believer. . .
By way of the Chariots of the
Gods cameth the Aliens who
dwelt amongst the humans,
and bringeth much knowledge.

On 3/28/2015 11:16 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> I'm not easily offended, and have a fairly high tolerance for four-letter 
> words, but this is over the top.  In addition to being completely 
> inappropriate, it's also very disrespectful.
> thank you,
> Donna
>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> Date: March 28, 2015 at 8:53:14 AM CDT
>> From: mário navarro 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
>> Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>
>>
>>
>> fuck you, piece  of shit ...
>> who you think you are ...
>> You must be very important sucker!
>> if you want to go out go and take your ignorance with  you ...
>> I do not spoke to you sucker ...
>> your head is full of shit ...
>> you smell bad, go wash you piece of shit ...
>> Em 28/03/2015 13:32, David Griffith escreveu:
>>> I have had nothing to do with this thread but really this sounds like a 
>>> small spoilt child ranting in a playground.
>>> We normally have grown up discussions on this list without hurling personal 
>>> insults at each other.
>>> Could the moderator please confirm this is inappropriate on this list. If 
>>> this is the tone of emails I will have to read then I will be off.
>>>
>>> David Griffith
>>>
>>> On 28/03/2015 13:01, mário navarro wrote:


 man, why  you are so stupid?
 you work for apple?
 apple pay all your debts at the end of the month?
 apple solves all your problems of accessibility in the voice over?
 yes, because only you have no accessibility problems in your iPhone ...
 shut your mouth and respect the people in the group ...

 Em 28/03/2015 02:04, Christopher-Mark Gilland escreveu:
> All of the nightmarish things that happened with I O S 8 in the beginning 
> have pretty much been fixed.
> I run I O S 8.2 on all of my devices, including my IPad Air first 
> generation, and all is very very smoothe.  I really don't have any issues 
> any longer.  OK, in Safari, on huge web pages, sometimes the item chooser 
> will crap the bed, but even that is becoming more and more rare, and the 
> main web site where I see this happen, is a major exception, as that page 
> literally speaking has over 12 thousand links on it.
> Sorry, I'm not at liberty to go into what this site is, you're just gonna 
> have to trust me with this.
> Chris.
> ---
> Check out my web site at:
> http://www.clgproductions.net
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Jon Solitro 
> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> 
> *Sent:* Friday, March 27, 2015 8:38 PM
> *Subject:* Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
>
> The app is called WritePad. I can't attest to the functionality as
> I haven't been able to download it yet.
>
> I know that many apps need ios 8. I'm justwondering if it is worth
> it ot upgrade. In the past when I've upgraded, Voice Over tends to
> run slower. How is it now? Should I upgrade?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Mar 27, 2015, at 2:17 PM, "george b"  > wrote:
>
>> What is the name of the hand writing reconigation app I am
>> interested in this please.
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> *From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Jon Solitro
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 27, 2015 10:54
>> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> 
>> *Subject:* Re: starting to get irritated by IO

Re: To the moderators, is this really the type of person or content you want on this list?

2015-03-29 Thread Devin Prater

Lol, show me where those message rules are in iOS with iCloud mail, and that'll 
settle with me the absence of a moderator.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 29, 2015, at 5:28 AM, Steve Nutt  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Not only that, there are message rules.  Just grab him and throw him in the 
> junk folder.
> 
> Donna, I don't think another list is necessary, message rules take care of 
> people like him.  That's not to say I'm condoning what he's doing, it is just 
> purile.  But we can deal with it ourselves.  Also when you hear his name on 
> the message summary list, just hit delete.
> 
> Don't feed the trolls!
> 
> All the best
> 
> Steve
> 
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> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of The Believer
> Sent: 28 March 2015 18:31
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: To the moderators, is this really the type of person or content 
> you want on this list?
> 
> To all,
>The best way to deal with this kind of behavior is simply to ignore 
> it. That is it. Responding only encourages infantile mentalities.
> 
> From The Believer. . .
>By way of the Chariots of the
> Gods cameth the Aliens who
> dwelt amongst the humans,
> and bringeth much knowledge.
> 
>> On 3/28/2015 11:16 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> I'm not easily offended, and have a fairly high tolerance for four-letter 
>> words, but this is over the top.  In addition to being completely 
>> inappropriate, it's also very disrespectful.
>> thank you,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>> Date: March 28, 2015 at 8:53:14 AM CDT
>>> From: mário navarro 
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
>>> Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> fuck you, piece  of shit ...
>>> who you think you are ...
>>> You must be very important sucker!
>>> if you want to go out go and take your ignorance with  you ...
>>> I do not spoke to you sucker ...
>>> your head is full of shit ...
>>> you smell bad, go wash you piece of shit ...
>>> Em 28/03/2015 13:32, David Griffith escreveu:
 I have had nothing to do with this thread but really this sounds like a 
 small spoilt child ranting in a playground.
 We normally have grown up discussions on this list without hurling 
 personal insults at each other.
 Could the moderator please confirm this is inappropriate on this list. If 
 this is the tone of emails I will have to read then I will be off.
 
 David Griffith
 
> On 28/03/2015 13:01, mário navarro wrote:
> 
> 
> man, why  you are so stupid?
> you work for apple?
> apple pay all your debts at the end of the month?
> apple solves all your problems of accessibility in the voice over?
> yes, because only you have no accessibility problems in your iPhone ...
> shut your mouth and respect the people in the group ...
> 
> Em 28/03/2015 02:04, Christopher-Mark Gilland escreveu:
>> All of the nightmarish things that happened with I O S 8 in the 
>> beginning have pretty much been fixed.
>> I run I O S 8.2 on all of my devices, including my IPad Air first 
>> generation, and all is very very smoothe.  I really don't have any 
>> issues any longer.  OK, in Safari, on huge web pages, sometimes the item 
>> chooser will crap the bed, but even that is becoming more and more rare, 
>> and the main web site where I see this happen, is a major exception, as 
>> that page literally speaking has over 12 thousand links on it.
>> Sorry, I'm not at liberty to go into what this site is, you're just 
>> gonna have to trust me with this.
>> Chris.
>> ---
>> Check out my web site at:
>> http://www.clgproductions.net
>> 
>>- Original Message -
>>*From:* Jon Solitro 
>>*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>
>>*Sent:* Friday, March 27, 2015 8:38 PM
>>*Subject:* Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
>> 
>>The app is called WritePad. I can't attest to the functionality as
>>I haven't been able to download it yet.
>> 
>>I know that many apps need ios 8. I'm justwondering if it is worth
>>it ot upgrade. In the past when I've upgraded, Voice Over tends to
>>run slower. How is it now? Should I upgrade?
>> 
>>Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>On Mar 27, 2015, at 2:17 PM, "george b" >> wrote:
>> 
>>>What is the name of the hand writing reconigation app I am
>>>interested in this please.
>>> 
>>>thanks
>>> 
>>>

Re: To the moderators, is this really the type of person or content you want on this list?

2015-03-29 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu

You’ll have to do it server-side, using whatever method your provider gives you.

But guys, look—more effort has been expended talking about these posts than on 
the posts themselves.  And anyone trying to follow the threads he’s hijacked is 
inconvenienced by it.

Don’t feed the trolls.  I know it’s tempting—guilty of it myself sometimes—but 
this is the Internet, and people can choose to distance themselves from earthly 
scruples if they want to.  It is a miracle that, for the most part, in 
situations like this anyway, you can easily do something about it yourself, 
without getting anyone else involved.  (Although, if I were one of the list 
mods, I’d be feeling a little bit bad at this point.)

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Re: Problem with numbers

2015-03-29 Thread Jürgen Fleger

Also: Check wether the table is locked. CMD + Option + l unlocks it.
Jürgen

> Am 29.03.2015 um 03:24 schrieb Phil Halton :
> 
> Sometimes numbers just throws a shoe. Try to stop interacting with the table 
> move away then back and interact again. Sometimes that corrects things and it 
> starts working okay. Otherwise, just close out numbers and then restart. I've 
> had this happen to me recently and this is fix the problem. At worst, you may 
> have to restore to an earlier point to get back any work you may have lost. 
> Good luck,
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Mar 28, 2015, at 8:30 PM, Nancy Badger  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I am very frustrated and would appreciate any help you all can provide. I am 
>> working on a large table in numbers. It is very simple and very basic. 
>> Everything was going fine until I got to Road number 26. All of a sudden I 
>> could not enter any more data. I could interact with the cell, and the 
>> letters were read to me by voice over as I typed them in. However, when I 
>> went back to check row 26 there was nothing there. What could be happening? 
>> Any suggestions? Thanks very much.
>> Nancy
>> 
>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>> Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
>> UT Chattanooga
>> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.
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weather app

2015-03-29 Thread May and LD Luna

Hey there.

Is there an accessible weather app for the mac?

i use the widget, but I believe an app would be better for a friend of mine.

May and LD Luna Moon!
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Re: Are you guys still there?



ahahahahahah, bitch. another head full of shit.
donna you are a big bitch.
I bet you must be those bitches who just love  suck cocks. lol.
And your pussy, just like fucking with  horses.
Just look at that bitch we have in the group.
Typical of an American bitch.

Em 29/03/2015 10:57, Donna Goodin escreveu:

Apologies.  I was tired, and accidentally sent that to the list.  My intention 
had been to send it to another address.
Cheers,
Donna

On Mar 28, 2015, at 10:53 PM, The Believer  wrote:

Donna and others,
   Every time the fire starts to go out, someone blows on it and it flares up. 
The sooner people understand this, the sooner things settle down.

   This inconsequetial perv cannot insult me. I do not allow it. I simply 
delete each emssage as it comes in. It is not worth the bother of creating a 
message rule for it will soon be gone.

  Now cut the group owner/mod some slack. It is unreasonable to expect people 
to monitor their groups 24/7.

   Again, stop replying to its messages or complaining for you only empower it. 
You only give it the power. Take it back by using the delete key.

 From The Believer. . .
   By way of the Chariots of the
Gods cameth the Aliens who
dwelt amongst the humans,
and bringeth much knowledge.

On 3/28/2015 8:31 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:

  Mario Navarro has seriously been insulting people on the list.   his language 
has been profane and offensive, and I'm not easily offended.  Where on earth 
are the moderators? I've been a list mod, I get it, it's sometimes a hassle but 
if you're going to moderate this list you need to pay attention. This guy has 
now sent more than 15 messages insulting people and you all seem to be nowhere 
to be found. Either do your job, or abdicate. What's happening on the list 
right now is simply not acceptable. Please do something about it ASAP.


.
Sincerely,
Donna Goodin

Sent from my iPhone


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One more question regarding the mods.

2015-03-29 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu

Hello.

If this list is not moderated, then this is so for the Viphone list? As I am 
not on that list, I don't know. Just curious.


If anyone is on that list, and it is moderated, please send a message to them.

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Re: weather app

2015-03-29 Thread Rod Skene

I tried a couple weather apps but I finally settled on just using a couple of 
bookmarks for weather  websites. I have my bookmarks folder in my dock as 
demonstrated by David Griffin in his podcasts. Works great 

Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse any errors.

> On Mar 29, 2015, at 6:45 AM, May and LD Luna  wrote:
> 
> Hey there.
> 
> Is there an accessible weather app for the mac?
> 
> i use the widget, but I believe an app would be better for a friend of mine.
> 
> May and LD Luna Moon!
> www.canadianlynx.ca
> m...@canadianlynx.ca
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Re: One more question regarding the mods.

2015-03-29 Thread Joanne Chua

Hi, there are one or two mods that might be the same for both list,
but generally i think they are different people.
Any level of insults sholdn't be tolerate, but then, if no one playing
in to his game, he wouldn't have able to play the game by himself...
After all, it takes two, or in this case, more than two people to have
a mouthing party...

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> Hello.
>
> If this list is not moderated, then this is so for the Viphone list? As I am
> not on that list, I don't know. Just curious.
>
>
> If anyone is on that list, and it is moderated, please send a message to
> them.
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Re: One more question regarding the mods.

2015-03-29 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu

I was just thinking, if Kara who use to moderate this list was on that list and 
she did moderate this one then she could remove the person.  Chris Blouch (no 
clue of his e-mail) approved people so he could remove as appropriate.



> On 29 Mar 2015, at 1:55 pm, Joanne Chua  wrote:
> 
> Hi, there are one or two mods that might be the same for both list,
> but generally i think they are different people.
> Any level of insults sholdn't be tolerate, but then, if no one playing
> in to his game, he wouldn't have able to play the game by himself...
> After all, it takes two, or in this case, more than two people to have
> a mouthing party...
> 
> On 29/03/2015, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> Hello.
>> 
>> If this list is not moderated, then this is so for the Viphone list? As I am
>> not on that list, I don't know. Just curious.
>> 
>> 
>> If anyone is on that list, and it is moderated, please send a message to
>> them.
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Re: Proposal to create an alternate MacVisionaries list

2015-03-29 Thread Anne Robertson

Hello Donna,

There are already several Mac and iOS lists in existence. MacVisionaries has 
gone through periods like this before and has always recovered.

Cheers,

Anne


> On 29 Mar 2015, at 12:11, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> One thing that yesterday's events have made abundantly clear, is that this 
> list is no longer being moderated.  This surprises me quite a bit, because in 
> the early days of MacVisionaries, Cara was an extremely diligent moderator.  
> I know she took on at least one co-mod a while back, but I don't remember who 
> that was, and that person doesn't seem to be around either.  While I'm not a 
> big believer in heavy moderation, I do think that there at least needs to be 
> someone paying some attention so that when morons like Mario get loose, they 
> can be removed from the list.  I will therefore offer to create an alternate 
> list, which I--and hopefully one co-mod will moderate, at least to the extent 
> of managing subscriptions and dealing with bad behavior.  However, I don't 
> want to do this unless it is something that the majority of the community 
> wants.  Please let me know if you would like an alternate moderated list, and 
> also if you have any wish to co-mod with me.  Please note that even a low 
> level of modding is a fair amount of work, so please don't offer unless 
> you're willing and able to put in the time.  My hope is that if there are two 
> of us, we can set things up so the work isn't too much for either one of us.
> Thanks,
> Donna
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in Audio Hijack Pro

2015-03-29 Thread Scott Berry

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Re: alva bc640 ot question

2015-03-29 Thread Paul Erkens

Hi,
I have one too. It charges via USB as well. Hth.
Paul.
> On 27 Mar 2015, at 02:04, Juan Hernandez  wrote:
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> Hi All,
>  
> I have a stupid off topic question.  Does anyone have an optelec alva bc640 
> braille display?   I seem to have lost my power adapter, and want to know if 
> anyone on this list has one and could describe it to me?  I have a bunch of 
> adapters, but can’t remember which one is it.
>  
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>  
> Best,
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Re: Proposal to create an alternate MacVisionaries list

2015-03-29 Thread The Believer

How easily some people allow themselves to be manipulated via
emails! I can only imagine what real life does to you.

Some of you contimue to validate this twerp by pressing the reply
button instead of the delete button.

It amazes me how much power this little inconsequential "it" has
over many of you.

From The Believer. . .
By way of the Chariots of the
Gods cameth the Aliens who
dwelt amongst the humans,
and bringeth much knowledge.

On 3/29/2015 3:11 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

Hello all,

One thing that yesterday's events have made abundantly clear, is that this list is no longer being moderated. This surprises me quite a bit, because in the early days of MacVisionaries, Cara was an extremely diligent moderator. I know she took on at least one co-mod a while back, but I don't remember who that was, and that person doesn't seem to be around either. While I'm not a big believer in heavy moderation, I do think that there at least needs to be someone paying some attention so that when morons like Mario get loose, they can be removed from the list. I will therefore offer to create an alternate list, which I--and hopefully one co-mod will moderate, at least to the extent of managing subscriptions and dealing with bad behavior. However, I don't want to do this unless it is something that the majority of the community wants. Please let me know if you would like an alternate moderated list, and also if you have any wish to co-mod with me. Please note that even a low

level of modding is a fair amount of work, so please don't offer unless you're
willing and able to put in the time. My hope is that if there are two of us,
we can set things up so the work isn't too much for either one of us.

Thanks,
Donna

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Re: Proposal to create an alternate MacVisionaries list

Hi Anne,

Yes, I'm aware of the other Mac lists.  I just made the offer in the event that 
this list community wants to stay in tact, but wants someone to take care of 
mod duties.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Mar 29, 2015, at 9:12 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Donna,
> 
> There are already several Mac and iOS lists in existence. MacVisionaries has 
> gone through periods like this before and has always recovered.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
>> On 29 Mar 2015, at 12:11, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> One thing that yesterday's events have made abundantly clear, is that this 
>> list is no longer being moderated.  This surprises me quite a bit, because 
>> in the early days of MacVisionaries, Cara was an extremely diligent 
>> moderator.  I know she took on at least one co-mod a while back, but I don't 
>> remember who that was, and that person doesn't seem to be around either.  
>> While I'm not a big believer in heavy moderation, I do think that there at 
>> least needs to be someone paying some attention so that when morons like 
>> Mario get loose, they can be removed from the list.  I will therefore offer 
>> to create an alternate list, which I--and hopefully one co-mod will 
>> moderate, at least to the extent of managing subscriptions and dealing with 
>> bad behavior.  However, I don't want to do this unless it is something that 
>> the majority of the community wants.  Please let me know if you would like 
>> an alternate moderated list, and also if you have any wish to co-mod with 
>> me.  Please note that even a low level of modding is a fair amount of work, 
>> so please don't offer unless you're willing and able to put in the time.  My 
>> hope is that if there are two of us, we can set things up so the work isn't 
>> too much for either one of us.
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
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Re: Proposal to create an alternate MacVisionaries list

Now you're being as obnoxious as he is.  there is no need for you to insult me, 
or to imply that I'm unable to cope with life.  I simply extended an offer to 
the list.  That's all.  I'm neither invested in having a different list, nor in 
becoming moderator.  So now it's your turn to chill, don't make more of my 
email than was intended.
Best,
Donna
> On Mar 29, 2015, at 9:49 AM, The Believer  wrote:
> 
>   How easily some people allow themselves to be manipulated via emails! I can 
> only imagine what real life does to you.
> 
>   Some of you contimue to validate this twerp by pressing the reply button 
> instead of the delete button.
> 
>   It amazes me how much power this little inconsequential "it" has over many 
> of you.
> 
> From The Believer. . .
>   By way of the Chariots of the
> Gods cameth the Aliens who
> dwelt amongst the humans,
> and bringeth much knowledge.
> 
> On 3/29/2015 3:11 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> One thing that yesterday's events have made abundantly clear, is that this 
>> list is no longer being moderated.  This surprises me quite a bit, because 
>> in the early days of MacVisionaries, Cara was an extremely diligent 
>> moderator.  I know she took on at least one co-mod a while back, but I don't 
>> remember who that was, and that person doesn't seem to be around either.  
>> While I'm not a big believer in heavy moderation, I do think that there at 
>> least needs to be someone paying some attention so that when morons like 
>> Mario get loose, they can be removed from the list.  I will therefore offer 
>> to create an alternate list, which I--and hopefully one co-mod will 
>> moderate, at least to the extent of managing subscriptions and dealing with 
>> bad behavior.  However, I don't want to do this unless it is something that 
>> the majority of the community wants.  Please let me know if you would like 
>> an alternate moderated list, and also if you have any wish to co-mod with 
>> me.  Please note that even a low 
> level of modding is a fair amount of work, so please don't offer unless 
> you're willing and able to put in the time.  My hope is that if there are two 
> of us, we can set things up so the work isn't too much for either one of us.
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>> 
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Re: Proposal to create an alternate MacVisionaries list

2015-03-29 Thread Jose Lomeli

I'm in! I can co-moderate this new list.

Jose Lomeli
Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 29, 2015, at 3:11 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> One thing that yesterday's events have made abundantly clear, is that this 
> list is no longer being moderated.  This surprises me quite a bit, because in 
> the early days of MacVisionaries, Cara was an extremely diligent moderator.  
> I know she took on at least one co-mod a while back, but I don't remember who 
> that was, and that person doesn't seem to be around either.  While I'm not a 
> big believer in heavy moderation, I do think that there at least needs to be 
> someone paying some attention so that when morons like Mario get loose, they 
> can be removed from the list.  I will therefore offer to create an alternate 
> list, which I--and hopefully one co-mod will moderate, at least to the extent 
> of managing subscriptions and dealing with bad behavior.  However, I don't 
> want to do this unless it is something that the majority of the community 
> wants.  Please let me know if you would like an alternate moderated list, and 
> also if you have any wish to co-mod with me.  Please note that even a low 
> level of modding is a fair amount of work, so please don't offer unless 
> you're willing and able to put in the time.  My hope is that if there are two 
> of us, we can set things up so the work isn't too much for either one of us.
> Thanks,
> Donna
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Re: Are you guys still there?

2015-03-29 Thread Jose Lomeli

Don't worry donna I meant to sent a message to this email list but I sent it to 
the viphone email list! Talk about embarrassing!

Jose Lomeli
Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 29, 2015, at 2:57 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Apologies.  I was tired, and accidentally sent that to the list.  My 
> intention had been to send it to another address.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Mar 28, 2015, at 10:53 PM, The Believer  wrote:
>> 
>> Donna and others,
>>  Every time the fire starts to go out, someone blows on it and it flares up. 
>> The sooner people understand this, the sooner things settle down.
>> 
>>  This inconsequetial perv cannot insult me. I do not allow it. I simply 
>> delete each emssage as it comes in. It is not worth the bother of creating a 
>> message rule for it will soon be gone.
>> 
>> Now cut the group owner/mod some slack. It is unreasonable to expect people 
>> to monitor their groups 24/7.
>> 
>>  Again, stop replying to its messages or complaining for you only empower 
>> it. You only give it the power. Take it back by using the delete key.
>> 
>> From The Believer. . .
>>  By way of the Chariots of the
>> Gods cameth the Aliens who
>> dwelt amongst the humans,
>> and bringeth much knowledge.
>> 
>>> On 3/28/2015 8:31 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>> Mario Navarro has seriously been insulting people on the list.   his 
>>> language has been profane and offensive, and I'm not easily offended.  
>>> Where on earth are the moderators? I've been a list mod, I get it, it's 
>>> sometimes a hassle but if you're going to moderate this list you need to 
>>> pay attention. This guy has now sent more than 15 messages insulting people 
>>> and you all seem to be nowhere to be found. Either do your job, or 
>>> abdicate. What's happening on the list right now is simply not acceptable. 
>>> Please do something about it ASAP.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> .
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Donna Goodin
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Does iCloud still work if connected to a VPN?

2015-03-29 Thread Justin Mann

Hi all,
I’m using private internet access vpn:
http://www.piavpn.com 
on the iPhone, and so far I have to say it’s been the most stable vpn that I’ve 
used thus far.  If the iOS device is connected to vpn, and it is locked, does 
it still backup to iCloud?

By the way, Installing private internet access on the mac is an absolute 
breeze, and it is quite accessible.

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Re: Proposal to create an alternate MacVisionaries list

2015-03-29 Thread Tim Kilburn

Hi,

While I don’t disagree with the sentiment of this eMail, I do feel that action 
beyond the “Delete” key is necessary.  If I was very new to the list, or 
possibly surfing the posts on the web trying to determine if I’d like to join 
this community, vulgar, insulting and disrespectful posts such as these would 
likely deter me from joining.  We are a community of users assisting and being 
assisted by each other and those sorts of attacks have no place in our 
community.  Pressing the “Delete” key shields ourselves but not the community.  
Evaluating or judging how others react to these posts is unnecessary.  Action 
should be taken for the benefit of the community.

I’ve been on this list pretty well since its inception and the various 
moderators do usually take action.  There could be a multitude of reasons why 
things weren’t dealt with promptly yesterday, but I’m sure that they will be 
dealt with real soon.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 29, 2015, at 08:49, The Believer  wrote:

  How easily some people allow themselves to be manipulated via emails! I can 
only imagine what real life does to you.

  Some of you contimue to validate this twerp by pressing the reply button 
instead of the delete button.

  It amazes me how much power this little inconsequential "it" has over many of 
you.

>From The Believer. . .
  By way of the Chariots of the
Gods cameth the Aliens who
dwelt amongst the humans,
and bringeth much knowledge.

On 3/29/2015 3:11 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> One thing that yesterday's events have made abundantly clear, is that this 
> list is no longer being moderated.  This surprises me quite a bit, because in 
> the early days of MacVisionaries, Cara was an extremely diligent moderator.  
> I know she took on at least one co-mod a while back, but I don't remember who 
> that was, and that person doesn't seem to be around either.  While I'm not a 
> big believer in heavy moderation, I do think that there at least needs to be 
> someone paying some attention so that when morons like Mario get loose, they 
> can be removed from the list.  I will therefore offer to create an alternate 
> list, which I--and hopefully one co-mod will moderate, at least to the extent 
> of managing subscriptions and dealing with bad behavior.  However, I don't 
> want to do this unless it is something that the majority of the community 
> wants.  Please let me know if you would like an alternate moderated list, and 
> also if you have any wish to co-mod with me.  Please note that even a low 
level of modding is a fair amount of work, so please don't offer unless you're 
willing and able to put in the time.  My hope is that if there are two of us, 
we can set things up so the work isn't too much for either one of us.
> Thanks,
> Donna
> 

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Re: Proposal to create an alternate MacVisionaries list

2015-03-29 Thread Kliph

I already have a alternant list.  It’s peel the apple.  And we cover 
mac, iPhone, iPad, appleTV, and even have a little open discussion on the 
weekends.  There are 2 mods.  We both monitor the list very closely, and make 
sure everyones playing and talking nice.  We don’t police very often, and thank 
goodness so far we haven’t had too.  The list has been up and running for about 
8 months now, and anyone who wants can come and join.  It’s also on google 
groups, and the info is below.  Hope to see you there!

Frustrated with your Mac, I-device, or AppleTV?  New user and want quick 
efficient answers?  Or maybe you know apple products and want to contribute?  
Then come join a list where questions are always answered, and we are always 
patient with you.
Subscribe here: peel-the-apple+subscr...@googlegroups.com 

Short quick getting started Tutorials: http://peeltheapple.wordpress.com/ 

Or just follow us on twitter https://twitter.com/PealTheApple 

And ask your question there.  All are welcome!



> On Mar 29, 2015, at 6:11 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> One thing that yesterday's events have made abundantly clear, is that this 
> list is no longer being moderated.  This surprises me quite a bit, because in 
> the early days of MacVisionaries, Cara was an extremely diligent moderator.  
> I know she took on at least one co-mod a while back, but I don't remember who 
> that was, and that person doesn't seem to be around either.  While I'm not a 
> big believer in heavy moderation, I do think that there at least needs to be 
> someone paying some attention so that when morons like Mario get loose, they 
> can be removed from the list.  I will therefore offer to create an alternate 
> list, which I--and hopefully one co-mod will moderate, at least to the extent 
> of managing subscriptions and dealing with bad behavior.  However, I don't 
> want to do this unless it is something that the majority of the community 
> wants.  Please let me know if you would like an alternate moderated list, and 
> also if you have any wish to co-mod with me.  Please note that even a low 
> level of modding is a fair amount of work, so please don't offer unless 
> you're willing and able to put in the time.  My hope is that if there are two 
> of us, we can set things up so the work isn't too much for either one of us.
> Thanks,
> Donna
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Re: To the moderators, is this really the type of person or content you want on this list?

2015-03-29 Thread Kliph

Just go to iCloud.com  and click on the rules tab, and 
inter your settings there.  I have over 10 rules, and they work great.  Way 
better than gmail or outlook.com 

> On Mar 29, 2015, at 6:45 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> Lol, show me where those message rules are in iOS with iCloud mail, and 
> that'll settle with me the absence of a moderator.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2015, at 5:28 AM, Steve Nutt  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Not only that, there are message rules.  Just grab him and throw him in the 
>> junk folder.
>> 
>> Donna, I don't think another list is necessary, message rules take care of 
>> people like him.  That's not to say I'm condoning what he's doing, it is 
>> just purile.  But we can deal with it ourselves.  Also when you hear his 
>> name on the message summary list, just hit delete.
>> 
>> Don't feed the trolls!
>> 
>> All the best
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>> --
>> Computer Room Services
>> 77 Exeter Close
>> Stevenage
>> Hertfordshire
>> SG1 4PW
>> Tel: +44(0)1438-742286
>> Mob: +44(0)7956-334938
>> Fax: +44(0)1438-759589
>> Email: st...@comproom.co.uk
>> Web: http://www.comproom.co.uk
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of The Believer
>> Sent: 28 March 2015 18:31
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: To the moderators, is this really the type of person or content 
>> you want on this list?
>> 
>> To all,
>>   The best way to deal with this kind of behavior is simply to ignore 
>> it. That is it. Responding only encourages infantile mentalities.
>> 
>> From The Believer. . .
>>   By way of the Chariots of the
>> Gods cameth the Aliens who
>> dwelt amongst the humans,
>> and bringeth much knowledge.
>> 
>>> On 3/28/2015 11:16 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>> I'm not easily offended, and have a fairly high tolerance for four-letter 
>>> words, but this is over the top.  In addition to being completely 
>>> inappropriate, it's also very disrespectful.
>>> thank you,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 Begin forwarded message:
 
 Date: March 28, 2015 at 8:53:14 AM CDT
 From: mário navarro 
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
 Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 
 
 
 fuck you, piece  of shit ...
 who you think you are ...
 You must be very important sucker!
 if you want to go out go and take your ignorance with  you ...
 I do not spoke to you sucker ...
 your head is full of shit ...
 you smell bad, go wash you piece of shit ...
 Em 28/03/2015 13:32, David Griffith escreveu:
> I have had nothing to do with this thread but really this sounds like a 
> small spoilt child ranting in a playground.
> We normally have grown up discussions on this list without hurling 
> personal insults at each other.
> Could the moderator please confirm this is inappropriate on this list. If 
> this is the tone of emails I will have to read then I will be off.
> 
> David Griffith
> 
>> On 28/03/2015 13:01, mário navarro wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> man, why  you are so stupid?
>> you work for apple?
>> apple pay all your debts at the end of the month?
>> apple solves all your problems of accessibility in the voice over?
>> yes, because only you have no accessibility problems in your iPhone ...
>> shut your mouth and respect the people in the group ...
>> 
>> Em 28/03/2015 02:04, Christopher-Mark Gilland escreveu:
>>> All of the nightmarish things that happened with I O S 8 in the 
>>> beginning have pretty much been fixed.
>>> I run I O S 8.2 on all of my devices, including my IPad Air first 
>>> generation, and all is very very smoothe.  I really don't have any 
>>> issues any longer.  OK, in Safari, on huge web pages, sometimes the 
>>> item chooser will crap the bed, but even that is becoming more and more 
>>> rare, and the main web site where I see this happen, is a major 
>>> exception, as that page literally speaking has over 12 thousand links 
>>> on it.
>>> Sorry, I'm not at liberty to go into what this site is, you're just 
>>> gonna have to trust me with this.
>>> Chris.
>>> ---
>>> Check out my web site at:
>>> http://www.clgproductions.net
>>> 
>>>   - Original Message -
>>>   *From:* Jon Solitro 
>>>   *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>   
>>>   *Sent:* Friday, March 27, 2015 8:38 PM
>>>   *Subject:* Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
>>> 
>>>   The app is called WritePad. I can't attest to the functionality as
>>>   I haven't been able to download it yet.
>>> 
>>>   I know that many apps need ios 8. I'm justwondering if it is worth
>>>   it ot upgrade. In the past when

Re: To the moderators, is this really the type of person or content you want on this list?

2015-03-29 Thread Devin Prater

And it's accessible with iOS? 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 29, 2015, at 10:28 AM, Kliph  wrote:
> 
> Just go to iCloud.com and click on the rules tab, and inter your settings 
> there.  I have over 10 rules, and they work great.  Way better than gmail or 
> outlook.com
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2015, at 6:45 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> Lol, show me where those message rules are in iOS with iCloud mail, and 
>> that'll settle with me the absence of a moderator.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 29, 2015, at 5:28 AM, Steve Nutt  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Not only that, there are message rules.  Just grab him and throw him in the 
>>> junk folder.
>>> 
>>> Donna, I don't think another list is necessary, message rules take care of 
>>> people like him.  That's not to say I'm condoning what he's doing, it is 
>>> just purile.  But we can deal with it ourselves.  Also when you hear his 
>>> name on the message summary list, just hit delete.
>>> 
>>> Don't feed the trolls!
>>> 
>>> All the best
>>> 
>>> Steve
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Computer Room Services
>>> 77 Exeter Close
>>> Stevenage
>>> Hertfordshire
>>> SG1 4PW
>>> Tel: +44(0)1438-742286
>>> Mob: +44(0)7956-334938
>>> Fax: +44(0)1438-759589
>>> Email: st...@comproom.co.uk
>>> Web: http://www.comproom.co.uk
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of The Believer
>>> Sent: 28 March 2015 18:31
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: To the moderators, is this really the type of person or 
>>> content you want on this list?
>>> 
>>> To all,
>>>   The best way to deal with this kind of behavior is simply to ignore 
>>> it. That is it. Responding only encourages infantile mentalities.
>>> 
>>> From The Believer. . .
>>>   By way of the Chariots of the
>>> Gods cameth the Aliens who
>>> dwelt amongst the humans,
>>> and bringeth much knowledge.
>>> 
 On 3/28/2015 11:16 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
 I'm not easily offended, and have a fairly high tolerance for four-letter 
 words, but this is over the top.  In addition to being completely 
 inappropriate, it's also very disrespectful.
 thank you,
 Donna
 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> Date: March 28, 2015 at 8:53:14 AM CDT
> From: mário navarro 
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
> Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> 
> 
> 
> fuck you, piece  of shit ...
> who you think you are ...
> You must be very important sucker!
> if you want to go out go and take your ignorance with  you ...
> I do not spoke to you sucker ...
> your head is full of shit ...
> you smell bad, go wash you piece of shit ...
> Em 28/03/2015 13:32, David Griffith escreveu:
>> I have had nothing to do with this thread but really this sounds like a 
>> small spoilt child ranting in a playground.
>> We normally have grown up discussions on this list without hurling 
>> personal insults at each other.
>> Could the moderator please confirm this is inappropriate on this list. 
>> If this is the tone of emails I will have to read then I will be off.
>> 
>> David Griffith
>> 
>>> On 28/03/2015 13:01, mário navarro wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> man, why  you are so stupid?
>>> you work for apple?
>>> apple pay all your debts at the end of the month?
>>> apple solves all your problems of accessibility in the voice over?
>>> yes, because only you have no accessibility problems in your iPhone ...
>>> shut your mouth and respect the people in the group ...
>>> 
>>> Em 28/03/2015 02:04, Christopher-Mark Gilland escreveu:
 All of the nightmarish things that happened with I O S 8 in the 
 beginning have pretty much been fixed.
 I run I O S 8.2 on all of my devices, including my IPad Air first 
 generation, and all is very very smoothe.  I really don't have any 
 issues any longer.  OK, in Safari, on huge web pages, sometimes the 
 item chooser will crap the bed, but even that is becoming more and 
 more rare, and the main web site where I see this happen, is a major 
 exception, as that page literally speaking has over 12 thousand links 
 on it.
 Sorry, I'm not at liberty to go into what this site is, you're just 
 gonna have to trust me with this.
 Chris.
 ---
 Check out my web site at:
 http://www.clgproductions.net
 
   - Original Message -
   *From:* Jon Solitro 
   *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
   
   *Sent:* Friday, March 27, 2015 8:38 PM
   *Subject:* Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
 
   The app is called WritePad. I can't attest to the func

Re: Wow! that was ridiculously! easy!

2015-03-29 Thread Kliph

It’s just as easy on iCloud, if not easier.  It’s 1 step shorter.  You enter 
the email address, tell it to delete, and your done.  But, to each there own, I 
think web interface is getting more easy for all platforms.
Frustrated with your Mac, I-device, or AppleTV?  New user and want quick 
efficient answers?  Or maybe you know apple products and want to contribute?  
Then come join a list where questions are always answered, and we are always 
patient with you.
Subscribe here: peel-the-apple+subscr...@googlegroups.com 

Short quick getting started Tutorials: http://peeltheapple.wordpress.com/ 

Or just follow us on twitter https://twitter.com/PealTheApple 

And ask your question there.  All are welcome!



> On Mar 28, 2015, at 10:07 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
> OK, I must say, I'm incredibly impressed!  I just logged into my gmail 
> account via the web interface.
>  
> I found one of Mario's e-mails, and determined that his e-mail address is:
>  
> mario@gmail.com 
>  
> Once I got this info, I clicked on settings.  Then there was a link that said 
> filters.
>  
> Once I clicked on filters, I saw a table that had nothing in it, as I had no 
> filters set up on the gmail server side of things.  I then found a button to 
> add a filter.
>  
> Once I went in here, it was a two step process.  First it wanted me to give 
> it the criteria of what I wanted to filter specifically.
>  
> I left all the fields totally empty with the exception that in the from 
> field, I typed in his e-mail address.
>  
> mario@gmail.com 
>  
> Then, I didn't test the search settings so I don't know how that would really 
> work.  I'm totally confident that this will work.  I just basically then 
> scrolled down and hit vo+space on the next step button.
>  
> Now, on this screen, it asked me what I wanted to do when it encounters a 
> mail from him.  there is a set of checkboxes, and one of them says delete it. 
>  I checked that box, thed then applied the filter.  Now, when I look in that 
> table that used to be empty, I now see one filter rule, which is this one.  
> Then below it, I see two buttons.  One to delete, and one to edit.
>  
> Great great job by google making this so accessible!  I really thought it was 
> gonna be way harder!  that was an absolute breeze!  I literally had it done 
> in under five minutes!
>  
> If anyone needs help doing this, get up with me on Skype, and I'll walk you 
> through it.
>  
> My Skype name is:
>  
> chris28210.
>  
> Chris.
> 
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Re: Proposal to create an alternate MacVisionaries list




Ahahahahaha. You? You don't have intelligence to that
 you have monkey face,monkey head, you think like a monkey, and you 
like to take bananas in the ass.

monkey gay, go suck bananas... lol!


 lol!
Em 29/03/2015 16:03, Jose Lomeli escreveu:

I'm in! I can co-moderate this new list.

Jose Lomeli
Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 29, 2015, at 3:11 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Hello all,

One thing that yesterday's events have made abundantly clear, is that this list 
is no longer being moderated.  This surprises me quite a bit, because in the 
early days of MacVisionaries, Cara was an extremely diligent moderator.  I know 
she took on at least one co-mod a while back, but I don't remember who that 
was, and that person doesn't seem to be around either.  While I'm not a big 
believer in heavy moderation, I do think that there at least needs to be 
someone paying some attention so that when morons like Mario get loose, they 
can be removed from the list.  I will therefore offer to create an alternate 
list, which I--and hopefully one co-mod will moderate, at least to the extent 
of managing subscriptions and dealing with bad behavior.  However, I don't want 
to do this unless it is something that the majority of the community wants.  
Please let me know if you would like an alternate moderated list, and also if 
you have any wish to co-mod with me.  Please note that even a low level of 
modding is a fair amount of work, so please don't offer unless you're willing 
and able to put in the time.  My hope is that if there are two of us, we can 
set things up so the work isn't too much for either one of us.
Thanks,
Donna

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Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8

2015-03-29 Thread Erik Heil

Hey there, how are you doing? Exactly what problems are you talking about? I am 
by running version 8.2, and don't have any issues at all. Any problem I do have 
is specifically in Safari. For some reason, and some sites, you will not be 
able to use the swipe navigation to go through webpages. Simply going to the 
home screen, and read injured Safari actually solve the problem though. Have 
any of you cheeriest such problems?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 15, 2014, at 3:38 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I don’t know about yall, but I have an iphone 6 with IOS 8 and I have to say 
> that the experience is less than stellar. Bugs everywhere, slower than on my 
> iphone 5s, siri cut off midway then voice over not working, hang like 
> slowness when getting out of an app. I have to say that I have started 
> looking for alternatives as I feel like apple is trying to nudge things too 
> much into the “let big brother figure out for you what you should like and 
> do”. Point in case, that U2 debacle. Last weekend I was camping with some 
> mates and I was going through some tracks after lunch, and those damn U2 
> tracks kept popping up like annoying ads. Really don’t want some band pushing 
> their crap on my life experience when I shelled out 1200 dollars for a phone 
> that is supposed to do things for me. Not the other way around. Sure, U2 has 
> some great songs. But their current 50’s midlife crisis moans aren’t my 
> style, nor inspire me. I can listen to that when I go into an apple store and 
> wait for a genius to tell me my future.
> 
> Seriously folks, I’m not just going off on a rant, and for those of you who 
> want to reply by being defensive for apple, just remember a few basic things:
> 1-You are customer. Customer is king, you are not serving apple. Apple makes 
> money off you, take 30 percent of the cut on your music production or app 
> developement with their platform. They serve you. Not the other way around.
> 2-Apple is not god almighty. Apple has great people that collectively create 
> experiences. At the helm, a few individuals decide on the direction of that 
> experience. Personally, I don’t trust Tim Cook that much in giving us a good 
> experience. That Johnny Ive sounds like a pompous marketing guy with design 
> skills I cannot trust as head of human interface, a software division, coming 
> from someone who used to make toilet seats. The only one or ones I can trust 
> in this are frederici and some of the younger engineers presented at the last 
> apple showcase. but they don’t have enough say yet, so we’re stuck with all 
> that flash graphical transition animation style crap instead of truly clean, 
> efficient and snappy interfaces.
> 3-There are other choices out there, but I have no idea what. Sometimes I 
> wish I was sighted again so that I can really be part of the process of 
> creating real interfaces for everyone. It’s frustrating to know that most 
> companies follow what is standard and forget that standards are meant to be 
> broken and updated. Not broken at the cost of the buyer, no. If it’s broken, 
> it should be free, such as what google offers. Buying a 3000 dollar piece of 
> hardware to get clunky experiences and moments where you want to throw that 
> damn thing out the window and never touch it again is clearly not what I call 
> good experience on a computer. More and more of my friends, mac users, both 
> sighted and visually impaired, agree with me that apple is starting to rot in 
> terms of presenting it’s image. It’s not an underdog but a huge bulky oil 
> tanker that can now only manuver slowly with a battalion of lawyers behind 
> murmuring at the chief’s ears, the latter being probably more complacent than 
> should be, thus giving us this weird awkward show each year now with a barely 
> straight talking TIm Cook who sounds like he never had a girl friend chill 
> time or something seems amiss in him. Some soul? Something. Whatever the 
> case, I don’t really dig the style apple is portraying. It’s becoming a 
> disney world presentation with hs and aaahs when the tech behind is quite 
> literally lagging. No visionary stuff, when this qualification should by now, 
> from all the sci fi, the research and the graduations of bright people, 
> should lead us much farther in terms of actual interaction with a computer, 
> and let’s not forget screen readers.
> 
> Anyway, off for my morning coffee. Have a great day yall 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yuma Antoine Decaux
> "Light has no value without darkness"
> Mob: +612102277190
> Skype: Shainobi1
> twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7
> 
> 
> 
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Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8

2015-03-29 Thread Jon Solitro

Just the bluetooth keyboards

Sent from my phone

> On Mar 29, 2015, at 11:38 AM, Erik Heil  wrote:
> 
> Hey there, how are you doing? Exactly what problems are you talking about? I 
> am by running version 8.2, and don't have any issues at all. Any problem I do 
> have is specifically in Safari. For some reason, and some sites, you will not 
> be able to use the swipe navigation to go through webpages. Simply going to 
> the home screen, and read injured Safari actually solve the problem though. 
> Have any of you cheeriest such problems?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 15, 2014, at 3:38 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I don’t know about yall, but I have an iphone 6 with IOS 8 and I have to say 
>> that the experience is less than stellar. Bugs everywhere, slower than on my 
>> iphone 5s, siri cut off midway then voice over not working, hang like 
>> slowness when getting out of an app. I have to say that I have started 
>> looking for alternatives as I feel like apple is trying to nudge things too 
>> much into the “let big brother figure out for you what you should like and 
>> do”. Point in case, that U2 debacle. Last weekend I was camping with some 
>> mates and I was going through some tracks after lunch, and those damn U2 
>> tracks kept popping up like annoying ads. Really don’t want some band 
>> pushing their crap on my life experience when I shelled out 1200 dollars for 
>> a phone that is supposed to do things for me. Not the other way around. 
>> Sure, U2 has some great songs. But their current 50’s midlife crisis moans 
>> aren’t my style, nor inspire me. I can listen to that when I go into an 
>> apple store and wait for a genius to tell me my future.
>> 
>> Seriously folks, I’m not just going off on a rant, and for those of you who 
>> want to reply by being defensive for apple, just remember a few basic things:
>> 1-You are customer. Customer is king, you are not serving apple. Apple makes 
>> money off you, take 30 percent of the cut on your music production or app 
>> developement with their platform. They serve you. Not the other way around.
>> 2-Apple is not god almighty. Apple has great people that collectively create 
>> experiences. At the helm, a few individuals decide on the direction of that 
>> experience. Personally, I don’t trust Tim Cook that much in giving us a good 
>> experience. That Johnny Ive sounds like a pompous marketing guy with design 
>> skills I cannot trust as head of human interface, a software division, 
>> coming from someone who used to make toilet seats. The only one or ones I 
>> can trust in this are frederici and some of the younger engineers presented 
>> at the last apple showcase. but they don’t have enough say yet, so we’re 
>> stuck with all that flash graphical transition animation style crap instead 
>> of truly clean, efficient and snappy interfaces.
>> 3-There are other choices out there, but I have no idea what. Sometimes I 
>> wish I was sighted again so that I can really be part of the process of 
>> creating real interfaces for everyone. It’s frustrating to know that most 
>> companies follow what is standard and forget that standards are meant to be 
>> broken and updated. Not broken at the cost of the buyer, no. If it’s broken, 
>> it should be free, such as what google offers. Buying a 3000 dollar piece of 
>> hardware to get clunky experiences and moments where you want to throw that 
>> damn thing out the window and never touch it again is clearly not what I 
>> call good experience on a computer. More and more of my friends, mac users, 
>> both sighted and visually impaired, agree with me that apple is starting to 
>> rot in terms of presenting it’s image. It’s not an underdog but a huge bulky 
>> oil tanker that can now only manuver slowly with a battalion of lawyers 
>> behind murmuring at the chief’s ears, the latter being probably more 
>> complacent than should be, thus giving us this weird awkward show each year 
>> now with a barely straight talking TIm Cook who sounds like he never had a 
>> girl friend chill time or something seems amiss in him. Some soul? 
>> Something. Whatever the case, I don’t really dig the style apple is 
>> portraying. It’s becoming a disney world presentation with hs and aaahs 
>> when the tech behind is quite literally lagging. No visionary stuff, when 
>> this qualification should by now, from all the sci fi, the research and the 
>> graduations of bright people, should lead us much farther in terms of actual 
>> interaction with a computer, and let’s not forget screen readers.
>> 
>> Anyway, off for my morning coffee. Have a great day yall 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Yuma Antoine Decaux
>> "Light has no value without darkness"
>> Mob: +612102277190
>> Skype: Shainobi1
>> twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7
>> 
>> 
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Re: Proposal to create an alternate MacVisionaries list

2015-03-29 Thread Gabe Vega Commtech LLC

we also have a apple support list.
send email to 
applesupportvi-subscr...@yahoogroups.com 

its a great list, very well managed by our staff, and the great John P. from 
Mac for the blind.
check it out!

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Phone: (888) 351-5289 ext. 710

> On Mar 29, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> I think that'd be a good idea.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2015, at 5:11 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> One thing that yesterday's events have made abundantly clear, is that this 
>> list is no longer being moderated.  This surprises me quite a bit, because 
>> in the early days of MacVisionaries, Cara was an extremely diligent 
>> moderator.  I know she took on at least one co-mod a while back, but I don't 
>> remember who that was, and that person doesn't seem to be around either.  
>> While I'm not a big believer in heavy moderation, I do think that there at 
>> least needs to be someone paying some attention so that when morons like 
>> Mario get loose, they can be removed from the list.  I will therefore offer 
>> to create an alternate list, which I--and hopefully one co-mod will 
>> moderate, at least to the extent of managing subscriptions and dealing with 
>> bad behavior.  However, I don't want to do this unless it is something that 
>> the majority of the community wants.  Please let me know if you would like 
>> an alternate moderated list, and also if you have any wish to co-mod with 
>> me.  Please note that even a low level of modding is a fair amount of work, 
>> so please don't offer unless you're willing and able to put in the time.  My 
>> hope is that if there are two of us, we can set things up so the work isn't 
>> too much for either one of us.
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
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Re: Proposal to create an alternate MacVisionaries list




Hi believer.

 you have absolutely right.
 these disgusting rats criticize me, but they love the party...
And now joined to dance the same music...
They are all full of shit in their heads, and so do not think like people.
Not yet realized that I'm play with them...
In fact, they all are guilty of their own attitudes...
Each one has his hands full of stones...
They are all sinners in this story, but like to portray themselves as 
little angels.

But now the  party it is over because I'm gonna turn off the lights.
Now you can get back all in your lifes without shit in your heads...


Em 29/03/2015 15:49, The Believer escreveu:
How easily some people allow themselves to be manipulated via emails! 
I can only imagine what real life does to you.


   Some of you contimue to validate this twerp by pressing the reply 
button instead of the delete button.


   It amazes me how much power this little inconsequential "it" has 
over many of you.


From The Believer. . .
   By way of the Chariots of the
Gods cameth the Aliens who
dwelt amongst the humans,
and bringeth much knowledge.

On 3/29/2015 3:11 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

Hello all,

One thing that yesterday's events have made abundantly clear, is that 
this list is no longer being moderated.  This surprises me quite a 
bit, because in the early days of MacVisionaries, Cara was an 
extremely diligent moderator.  I know she took on at least one co-mod 
a while back, but I don't remember who that was, and that person 
doesn't seem to be around either.  While I'm not a big believer in 
heavy moderation, I do think that there at least needs to be someone 
paying some attention so that when morons like Mario get loose, they 
can be removed from the list.  I will therefore offer to create an 
alternate list, which I--and hopefully one co-mod will moderate, at 
least to the extent of managing subscriptions and dealing with bad 
behavior. However, I don't want to do this unless it is something 
that the majority of the community wants.  Please let me know if you 
would like an alternate moderated list, and also if you have any wish 
to co-mod with me.  Please note that even a low 
level of modding is a fair amount of work, so please don't offer 
unless you're willing and able to put in the time.  My hope is that if 
there are two of us, we can set things up so the work isn't too much 
for either one of us.

Thanks,
Donna





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Re: Proposal to create an alternate MacVisionaries list



Yeah, I'm there...
Em 29/03/2015 16:21, Kliph escreveu:

I already have a alternant list.  It’s peel the apple.  And we cover
mac, iPhone, iPad, appleTV, and even have a little open discussion on 
the weekends.  There are 2 mods.  We both monitor the list very 
closely, and make sure everyones playing and talking nice.  We don’t 
police very often, and thank goodness so far we haven’t had too.  The 
list has been up and running for about 8 months now, and anyone who 
wants can come and join.  It’s also on google groups, and the info is 
below.  Hope to see you there!


Frustrated with your Mac, I-device, or AppleTV?  New user and want 
quick efficient answers?  Or maybe you know apple products and want to 
contribute?  Then come join a list where questions are always 
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Or just follow us on twitter https://twitter.com/PealTheApple
And ask your question there. All are welcome!



On Mar 29, 2015, at 6:11 AM, Donna Goodin > wrote:


Hello all,

One thing that yesterday's events have made abundantly clear, is that 
this list is no longer being moderated.  This surprises me quite a 
bit, because in the early days of MacVisionaries, Cara was an 
extremely diligent moderator.  I know she took on at least one co-mod 
a while back, but I don't remember who that was, and that person 
doesn't seem to be around either.  While I'm not a big believer in 
heavy moderation, I do think that there at least needs to be someone 
paying some attention so that when morons like Mario get loose, they 
can be removed from the list.  I will therefore offer to create an 
alternate list, which I--and hopefully one co-mod will moderate, at 
least to the extent of managing subscriptions and dealing with bad 
behavior.  However, I don't want to do this unless it is something 
that the majority of the community wants.  Please let me know if you 
would like an alternate moderated list, and also if you have any wish 
to co-mod with me.  Please note that even a low level of modding is a 
fair amount of work, so please don't offer unless you're willing and 
able to put in the time.  My hope is that if there are two of us, we 
can set things up so the work isn't too much for either one of us.

Thanks,
Donna

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Fwd: This Needs to Stop




I received this message from Shawn
time: 2 minutes.


This proves what I said in the last message I wrote to  all

 read below:
from Shawn


 Mensagem Original 
Assunto:This Needs to Stop
Data:   Sun, 29 Mar 2015 10:19:35 -0600
De: BBS 
Para:   mario@gmail.com



Mario, grow the fuck up. Just because iOS and possibly OS X isn't going 
the way you want it to go doesn't mean you have to shit on everybody on 
these lists. I mean, Mac Visionaries and Viphone are family oriented 
lists. People should be able to write to these lists without having to 
feel alienated. Even kids right to these lists. You don't know that. 
Show some fucking common sense and stop this bullshit. Go fuck your best 
friend Pablo Morales. I bet he would like it. Oh and by the way, feet 
doesn't have an S. The singular word for feet is foot and the plurrel 
form is feet. Why don't you stop learning how to cuss people out and 
learn to speak proper English you dumb fuck. Oh yeah, you're probably 
fuking Pablo up the ass so you don't have time for that. Oh yeah, and if 
your tiny little brain can comprehend this, *DO Not* reply to this email 
'cause I don't give a shit what you have to say and I'll delete it. 
Again, grow the fuck up.

Shawn
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Re: in Audio Hijack Pro

2015-03-29 Thread Alex Hall

I think you press enter, then type the new name. The name is a standard edit 
box, so just stop interacting when you're done typing and that should do it.
> On Mar 29, 2015, at 10:42 AM, Scott Berry  wrote:
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> How do I rename the recording setting in Audio Hijack Pro?
> 
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My Appologies

2015-03-29 Thread BBS

Hey guys. I'm sorry for writing off list to that idiot Mario. If that ruins my 
reputation on this list and if you think I should be punished for it, I can 
accept that. I wasn't aware that he was gonna forward my email that was 
personally meant for him off list so again, I apologize and will just delete 
anything that he sends from now on.

Shawn
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Re: Problem with numbers

2015-03-29 Thread Eugenia Firth

Hi there
Have you check to see if the role is hidden?
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 28, 2015, at 7:30 PM, Nancy Badger  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I am very frustrated and would appreciate any help you all can provide. I am 
> working on a large table in numbers. It is very simple and very basic. 
> Everything was going fine until I got to Road number 26. All of a sudden I 
> could not enter any more data. I could interact with the cell, and the 
> letters were read to me by voice over as I typed them in. However, when I 
> went back to check row 26 there was nothing there. What could be happening? 
> Any suggestions? Thanks very much.
> Nancy
> 
> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
> Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
> UT Chattanooga
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Re: is it possible to timejump in itunes?

2015-03-29 Thread Ibraheem Fakir

Dear Tim,
I also had this question but never got around to asking. I’m not so familiar 
with Apple scripts. Do you mind sending me the compiled apple script with 
instructions?

Thanks!
I

> On Mar 29, 2015, at 2:51 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Try this AppleScript.
> 
> -- "Automatic Restart at specific time setting:
> 
> -- the default playhead position displayed in the input 
> -- dialog will be "set at the designated location. So, if you 
> -- enter 1:12 as a setting, you can be sent to that position just by 
> -- hitting the OK button.
> property kRewindSecs : 0
> -- (Use 0 [zero] to have the dialog display the actual playhead position)
> 
> 
> property kUserCancelled : -128
> property kInvalidTime : -1002
> property kTimeDelimiter : ":"
> 
> on run
>   try
>   tell application "iTunes"
>   set this_track to current track
>   set maxTime to ((duration of this_track) div 1)
>   set curTime to player position
>   if (curTime is greater than kRewindSecs) and ¬
>   (curTime is less than finish of this_track) then
>   set curTime to (curTime - kRewindSecs)
>   end if
>   end tell
>   -- convert the time to strings
>   set newTimeStr to ConvertTimeToString(curTime)
>   set minTimeStr to ConvertTimeToString(0)
>   set maxTimeStr to ConvertTimeToString(maxTime)
>   -- prompt user for new playhead time
>   set msgStr to "Enter Time between " & minTimeStr & " and " & 
> maxTimeStr
>   set timeStr to PromptUser(msgStr, newTimeStr)
>   -- get the time out of the user string
>   set theTime to ConvertStringToTime(timeStr)
>   -- set the playhead
>   tell application "iTunes"
>   -- just to prevent funny things...
>   if this_track is current track then
>   activate
>   set player position to theTime
>   play
>   end if
>   end tell
>   on error number errNumber
>   if (errNumber is equal to kInvalidTime) then
>   AdviseUser("An invalid time was entered.")
>   else if (errNumber is not equal to kUserCancelled) then
>   AdviseUser("There was an error: " & errNumber)
>   end if
>   end try
> end run
> 
> 
> on ConvertTimeToString(inTime)
>   -- break the time up into hours, minutes, and seconds
>   set timeVal to inTime
>   set numHours to (timeVal div hours)
>   set timeVal to timeVal - (numHours * hours)
>   set numMinutes to (timeVal div minutes)
>   set numSeconds to timeVal - (numMinutes * minutes)
>   -- build a zero-padded string
>   set timeStr to "" as string
>   -- hours
>   if (numHours < 10) then set timeStr to "0"
>   set timeStr to (timeStr & numHours)
>   -- minutes
>   set timeStr to (timeStr & ":")
>   if (numMinutes < 10) then set timeStr to (timeStr & "0")
>   set timeStr to (timeStr & numMinutes)
>   -- seconds
>   set timeStr to (timeStr & ":")
>   if (numSeconds < 10) then set timeStr to (timeStr & "0")
>   set timeStr to (timeStr & numSeconds)
>   return (timeStr as string)
> end ConvertTimeToString
> 
> on ConvertStringToTime(inStr)
>   try
>   set numHours to 0
>   set numMinutes to 0
>   set numSeconds to 0
>   -- store off the old delimiter
>   set oldDelimiters to AppleScript's text item delimiters
>   -- set the delimiter to ":"
>   set AppleScript's text item delimiters to kTimeDelimiter
>   set numItems to count of (text item of inStr)
>   if (numItems is equal to 1) then
>   set numSeconds to (text item 1 of inStr)
>   else if (numItems is equal to 2) then
>   set numMinutes to (text item 1 of inStr)
>   set numSeconds to (text item 2 of inStr)
>   else if (numItems is equal to 3) then
>   set numHours to (text item 1 of inStr)
>   set numMinutes to (text item 2 of inStr)
>   set numSeconds to (text item 3 of inStr)
>   else
>   error number kInvalidTime
>   end if
>   -- convert the time to secs
>   set numSecs to (numHours * hours) + (numMinutes * minutes) + 
> numSeconds
>   -- reset the delimiter
>   set

Siri not available

2015-03-29 Thread Phil Halton

I am getting “siri not available
, connect to the internet” messages all of a sudden when I try to use Siri.
Siri works fine when I’m on my wifi network, and it used to work fine when away 
from internet connections as well. But now, if I turn off wifi or move out of 
network range, I get this message.

 I’ve done a power cycle of the iPhone5 and again no Siri. I then did a network 
reset with no joy. I’ve looked in the Siri settings and the cellular settings 
and can find no reason for this. I’m hoping to avoid doing a total device 
reset. 
Any ideas?
  

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Re: Proposal to create an alternate MacVisionaries list

OK, since there does not seem to be clear consensus to start a new list--and 
there are good reasons not to--I will not move forward with that for now.  If 
in the future the group decides they want a moded list, we can reopen the 
discussion then.
Best,
Donna
> On Mar 29, 2015, at 11:41 AM, Gabe Vega Commtech LLC  
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> Mac for the blind.
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>> On Mar 29, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Devin Prater > > wrote:
>> 
>> I think that'd be a good idea.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 29, 2015, at 5:11 AM, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> One thing that yesterday's events have made abundantly clear, is that this 
>>> list is no longer being moderated.  This surprises me quite a bit, because 
>>> in the early days of MacVisionaries, Cara was an extremely diligent 
>>> moderator.  I know she took on at least one co-mod a while back, but I 
>>> don't remember who that was, and that person doesn't seem to be around 
>>> either.  While I'm not a big believer in heavy moderation, I do think that 
>>> there at least needs to be someone paying some attention so that when 
>>> morons like Mario get loose, they can be removed from the list.  I will 
>>> therefore offer to create an alternate list, which I--and hopefully one 
>>> co-mod will moderate, at least to the extent of managing subscriptions and 
>>> dealing with bad behavior.  However, I don't want to do this unless it is 
>>> something that the majority of the community wants.  Please let me know if 
>>> you would like an alternate moderated list, and also if you have any wish 
>>> to co-mod with me.  Please note that even a low level of modding is a fair 
>>> amount of work, so please don't offer unless you're willing and able to put 
>>> in the time.  My hope is that if there are two of us, we can set things up 
>>> so the work isn't too much for either one of us.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
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Re: My Appologies




hi Shawn.
no need to apologize because no one will blame you.
the devil is me ...
I never treat you rough, but it was you who wrote me privately to insult 
me and now this fred you call me an idiot.
And the worst part is that you offended the Pablo that has nothing to do 
with it.
Pablo is not present among us in order to be able to defend from your 
attack.

You have to apologize to Pablo, and not to your friends in the group.

from my part:
no hard feelings.





Em 29/03/2015 18:56, BBS escreveu:
Hey guys. I'm sorry for writing off list to that idiot Mario. If that 
ruins my reputation on this list and if you think I should be punished 
for it, I can accept that. I wasn't aware that he was gonna forward my 
email that was personally meant for him off list so again, I apologize 
and will just delete anything that he sends from now on.

Shawn
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Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8

Shawn,

This is why I won't promote and flat out refuse to go to the zone bbs.

chris.

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  Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 2:16 AM
  Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8


  Chris, Mario kinda reminds me of another person on another mailing list named 
Pablo Morales. Both of them like to complain about issues that most of us 
aren't experiencing. The thing is, Apple must be doing something right if blind 
and sighted people keep buying their products. And sure, there are bugs, but I 
along with a hand full of blind beta testers are working hard to make iOS 8.3 
and OS X Yosemite the best it can be.
  As for Mario's questionable language, surprisingly, I'm not offended. I just 
laughed at it because it shows how childish this person really is, so it was 
entertaining for me. But on a serious note, this ain't the Zone BBS or it's 
mailing list, so I agree with others that the swearing temper tantrum isn't 
appropriate for a *Family* mailing list and should be dealt with.


  Shawn
  Sent From My White MacBook


On Mar 28, 2015, at 3:34 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Donna,

What bothers me mostly about this entire thread is that those unlike you, 
and the Believer, etc. will not present the list with any rock-solid examples 
of how things are still broken.  How must one expect us to believe them if they 
won't even back up their comments with anything worthwhile.

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Donna Goodin
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 9:19 AM
  Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8


  I have to agree with the believer, here.  I don't know what you guys are 
talking about.  Many of Yuma's comments are about whether Apple is still on the 
cutting edge.  I agree that Tim Cook and Johnny Ives aren't the visionaries 
that Steve Jobs was, there's no question about that.  But in terms of the 
actual products, I've got IOS 8.2 on my phone, and I actually find Voiceover to 
be more responsive than with IOS 8.0, so it seems pretty clear to me that they 
made some accessibility improvements.  I'm running Yosemite on my MBA, and am 
happy with that as well.  I don't feel in anyway that accessibility is being 
pushed off to the side.  Are there things that could be improved, absolutely.  
But Apple is still doing a better job than any other company of building native 
accessibility into its products.  I had to use Windows 8 at my old job, and I 
can say truthfully it'd be a cold day in hell before I switch back to a PC.  I 
haven't used an Android phone since 2010, and I'm sure the landscape there has 
changed significantly since then.  But when I did try it, the experience did 
not bring me joy.


  This is just my experience, and as such, it is not intended to invalidate 
the experiences of anyone who may actually be having problems, just to say that 
not all of us are.  Don't know why some would be while others aren't, but 
perhaps that is the case.
  Best,
  Donna

On Mar 28, 2015, at 8:01 AM, mário navarro  wrote:




man, why  you are so stupid?
you work for apple?
apple pay all your debts at the end of the month?
apple solves all your problems of accessibility in the voice over?
yes, because only you have no accessibility problems in your iPhone ...
shut your mouth and respect the people in the group ...


Em 28/03/2015 02:04, Christopher-Mark Gilland escreveu:

  All of the nightmarish things that happened with I O S 8 in the 
beginning have pretty much been fixed.

  I run I O S 8.2 on all of my devices, including my IPad Air first 
generation, and all is very very smoothe.  I really don't have any issues any 
longer.  OK, in Safari, on huge web pages, sometimes the item chooser will crap 
the bed, but even that is becoming more and more rare, and the main web site 
where I see this happen, is a major exception, as that page literally speaking 
has over 12 thousand links on it.

  Sorry, I'm not at liberty to go into what this site is, you're just 
gonna have to trust me with this.

  Chris.
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- Original Message - 
From: Jon Solitro
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8


The app is called WritePad. I can't attest to the functionality as 
I haven't been able to download it yet.


I know that many apps need ios 8. I'm justwondering if it is worth 
it ot upgrade. In the past when I've upgrade

Re: Inappropriate Responsses on List


Wut?

How is it in violation?  Do tell, do tell.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Tim Kilburn" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 2:43 AM
Subject: Re: Inappropriate Responsses on List


Hi All,

I have submitted an Abuse Report to the gMail team regarding these posts. 
The content is actually in violation of the Google Terms of Use and I 
believe that Google should be made aware of this misconduct.  I’ll leave it 
in their capable hands.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 29, 2015, at 00:32, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:

Christopher, what's your email address? I'll email you privately about 
reaching the mod.


On Mar 28, 2015, at 7:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Oh, really?  Gotcha.  I'm going by the little I know from other listservs.

That probably explains why in the past all my owner request e-mails have 
bounced with other google Groups.


So, then, please can you provide us with the exact procedure to contact 
the owner of a Google Group such as this one?


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- Original Message - From: "The Believer" 


To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: Inappropriate Responsses on List


 By the way, there is no email address for a googlegroups owner, one
must use a web form.

From The Believer. . .
 By way of the Chariots of the
Gods cameth the Aliens who
dwelt amongst the humans,
and bringeth much knowledge.

On 3/28/2015 4:32 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

whoops?  This actually went to the whole list.

Try the address I suggested.

macvisionaries+ow...@googlegroups.com

I'm still looking for chris's address.  No luck yet though.  I'm sorry.

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- Original Message - From: "David Griffith"

To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 7:19 PM
Subject: Inappropriate Responsses on List


Hello  thought I should bring your attention to the inappropriate

behaviour of an a list member today. Many of us feel he needs to be
removed from the list.
Some examples are below.
On 28/03/2015 18:21, mário navarro wrote:


yes, i know.
put a microphone in the ass, and connect to your   mouth, and call the
moderators.
fuck you, piece of shit ...

Em 28/03/2015 17:53, David Griffith escreveu:

Does anybody know how to contact moderators  on this list?

David Griffith






On 28/03/2015 18:34, mário navarro wrote:


  fuck you bitch.
your pussy stinks.

Em 28/03/2015 18:16, Donna Goodin escreveu:

I'm not easily offended, and have a fairly high tolerance for
four-letter words, but this is over the top. In addition to being
completely inappropriate, it's also very disrespectful.
thank you,
Donna


Begin forwarded message:

*Date: *March 28, 2015 at 8:53:14 AM CDT
*From: *mário navarro mailto:mario@gmail.com>>
*To: *macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

*Subject: **Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8*
*Reply-To: *macvisionaries@googlegroups.com




fuck you, piece  of shit ...
who you think you are ...
You must be very important sucker!
if you want to go out go and take your ignorance with  you ...
I do not spoke to you sucker ...
your head is full of shit ...
you smell bad, go wash you piece of shit ...
Em 28/03/2015 13:32, David Griffith escreveu:

I have had nothing to do with this thread but really this sounds
like a small spoilt child ranting in a playground.
We normally have grown up discussions on this list without hurling
personal insults at each other.
Could the moderator please confirm this is inappropriate on this
list. If this is the tone of emails I will have to read then I will
be off.

David Griffith

On 28/03/2015 13:01, mário navarro wrote:



man, why  you are so stupid?
you work for apple?
apple pay all your debts at the end of the month?
apple solves all your problems of accessibility in the voice over?
yes, because only you have no accessibility problems in your
iPhone ...
shut your mouth and respect the people in the group ...

Em 28/03/2015 02:04, Christopher-Mark Gilland escreveu:

All of the nightmarish things that happened with I O S 8 in the
beginning have pretty much been fixed.
I run I O S 8.2 on all of my devices, including my IPad Air first
generation, and all is very very smoothe.  I really don't have
any issues any longer.  OK, in Safari, on huge web pages,
sometimes the item chooser will crap the bed, but even that is
becoming more and more rare, and the main web site where I see
this happen, is a major exception, as that page literally
speaking has over 12 thousand links on it.
Sorry, I'm not at liberty to go into what this site is, you're
just gonna have to trust me with this.
Chris.
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 - Original Message -
 *From:* Jon Solitro 
 *To:* macvisionaries@googl

Re: Inappropriate Responsses on List

As soon as I get more instructions on how to contact the list mods through 
the list's web site, I'll be doing so, don't worry.


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- Original Message - 
From: "BobH." 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 3:36 AM
Subject: Re: Inappropriate Responsses on List


Glad someone is doing something.
- Original Message - 
From: "Tim Kilburn" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: Inappropriate Responsses on List


Hi All,

I have submitted an Abuse Report to the gMail team regarding these posts.
The content is actually in violation of the Google Terms of Use and I
believe that Google should be made aware of this misconduct.  I’ll leave it
in their capable hands.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 29, 2015, at 00:32, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:

Christopher, what's your email address? I'll email you privately about
reaching the mod.


On Mar 28, 2015, at 7:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
 wrote:

Oh, really?  Gotcha.  I'm going by the little I know from other listservs.

That probably explains why in the past all my owner request e-mails have
bounced with other google Groups.

So, then, please can you provide us with the exact procedure to contact
the owner of a Google Group such as this one?

Chris.
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- Original Message - From: "The Believer"

To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: Inappropriate Responsses on List


 By the way, there is no email address for a googlegroups owner, one
must use a web form.

From The Believer. . .
 By way of the Chariots of the
Gods cameth the Aliens who
dwelt amongst the humans,
and bringeth much knowledge.

On 3/28/2015 4:32 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

whoops?  This actually went to the whole list.

Try the address I suggested.

macvisionaries+ow...@googlegroups.com

I'm still looking for chris's address.  No luck yet though.  I'm sorry.

Chris.
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- Original Message - From: "David Griffith"

To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 7:19 PM
Subject: Inappropriate Responsses on List


Hello  thought I should bring your attention to the inappropriate

behaviour of an a list member today. Many of us feel he needs to be
removed from the list.
Some examples are below.
On 28/03/2015 18:21, mário navarro wrote:


yes, i know.
put a microphone in the ass, and connect to your   mouth, and call the
moderators.
fuck you, piece of shit ...

Em 28/03/2015 17:53, David Griffith escreveu:

Does anybody know how to contact moderators  on this list?

David Griffith






On 28/03/2015 18:34, mário navarro wrote:


  fuck you bitch.
your pussy stinks.

Em 28/03/2015 18:16, Donna Goodin escreveu:

I'm not easily offended, and have a fairly high tolerance for
four-letter words, but this is over the top. In addition to being
completely inappropriate, it's also very disrespectful.
thank you,
Donna


Begin forwarded message:

*Date: *March 28, 2015 at 8:53:14 AM CDT
*From: *mário navarro mailto:mario@gmail.com>>
*To: *macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

*Subject: **Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8*
*Reply-To: *macvisionaries@googlegroups.com




fuck you, piece  of shit ...
who you think you are ...
You must be very important sucker!
if you want to go out go and take your ignorance with  you ...
I do not spoke to you sucker ...
your head is full of shit ...
you smell bad, go wash you piece of shit ...
Em 28/03/2015 13:32, David Griffith escreveu:

I have had nothing to do with this thread but really this sounds
like a small spoilt child ranting in a playground.
We normally have grown up discussions on this list without hurling
personal insults at each other.
Could the moderator please confirm this is inappropriate on this
list. If this is the tone of emails I will have to read then I will
be off.

David Griffith

On 28/03/2015 13:01, mário navarro wrote:



man, why  you are so stupid?
you work for apple?
apple pay all your debts at the end of the month?
apple solves all your problems of accessibility in the voice over?
yes, because only you have no accessibility problems in your
iPhone ...
shut your mouth and respect the people in the group ...

Em 28/03/2015 02:04, Christopher-Mark Gilland escreveu:

All of the nightmarish things that happened with I O S 8 in the
beginning have pretty much been fixed.
I run I O S 8.2 on all of my devices, including my IPad Air first
generation, and all is very very smoothe.  I really don't have
any issues any longer.  OK, in Safari, on huge web pages,
sometimes the item chooser will crap the bed, but even that is
becoming more and more rare, and the main web site where I see
this happen, is a major exception, as that page literally
speaking has over 12 thousand links on it.
Sorry, I'm not at liberty to go into what th

Re: Logos Bible Software


Actually,

I  hear that Macsword is free, and is totally accessible.  Come to think of 
it, I think they now call it elogant or something to that effect.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Emilio Hernandez" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 6:23 AM
Subject: Logos Bible Software



Hello everyone,

Has anyone downloaded Logos, a Bible software program for the Macintosh?
If so, has anyone found it to be voiceover accessible?

Thanks for any help anyone can provide.

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learning to use numbers

2015-03-29 Thread Laura Bratton

Hi All,
Can anyone recommend a good resource for learning how to use numbers?
Thank you,
Laura 

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Re: in Audio Hijack Pro

2015-03-29 Thread Scott Berry

Alex,

That helps.  Much appreciated.


> On Mar 29, 2015, at 11:48 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> I think you press enter, then type the new name. The name is a standard edit 
> box, so just stop interacting when you're done typing and that should do it.
>> On Mar 29, 2015, at 10:42 AM, Scott Berry > > wrote:
>> 
>> How do I rename the recording setting in Audio Hijack Pro?
>> 
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Re: To the moderators, is this really the type of person or content you want on this list?

2015-03-29 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu

Nah, sadly not.  On iOS, you’re just directed to instructions for turning it on 
under iOS.  This is why I’m strongly considering going back to hosting my own 
email at home.  Just can’t get satisfaction these days.

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Re: learning to use numbers

2015-03-29 Thread Phil Halton

Hi Laura,
The best resource I’ve found is the numbers help system. There are no tutorials 
per se. I suggest starting out making a simple spreadsheet with one table and 
start experimenting. Read the help files from the very beginning and move along 
through the materials testing things out in your test spreadsheet. Ask lots of 
questions here in the forum and you’ll be up and running in no time.
Do you have any spreadsheet experience, say with Excel? or, are you coming to 
spreadsheeting for the first time?

> On Mar 29, 2015, at 4:47 PM, Laura Bratton  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> Can anyone recommend a good resource for learning how to use numbers?
> Thank you,
> Laura 
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Re: Siri not available

2015-03-29 Thread David Griffith



This happened to me a couple of weeks ago and I suspect that, as the 
problem eventually disappeared, it was actually a problem at the Apple end.


I have no evidence for this except that it all occurred at about the 
same time as other people started reporting problems with iTunes and the 
App Store. I think these problems were also eventually resolved at the 
Apple End.



David Griffith

On 29/03/2015 20:00, Phil Halton wrote:

I am getting “siri not available
, connect to the internet” messages all of a sudden when I try to use Siri.
Siri works fine when I’m on my wifi network, and it used to work fine when away 
from internet connections as well. But now, if I turn off wifi or move out of 
network range, I get this message.

  I’ve done a power cycle of the iPhone5 and again no Siri. I then did a 
network reset with no joy. I’ve looked in the Siri settings and the cellular 
settings and can find no reason for this. I’m hoping to avoid doing a total 
device reset.
Any ideas?
   



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Re: learning to use numbers

2015-03-29 Thread May

This is something I also need to learn and I'm coming at this as a complete 
newbie for spread sheets.

May and LD Luna Moon!
www.canadianlynx.ca

> On Mar 29, 2015, at 5:01 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> Hi Laura,
> The best resource I’ve found is the numbers help system. There are no 
> tutorials per se. I suggest starting out making a simple spreadsheet with one 
> table and start experimenting. Read the help files from the very beginning 
> and move along through the materials testing things out in your test 
> spreadsheet. Ask lots of questions here in the forum and you’ll be up and 
> running in no time.
> Do you have any spreadsheet experience, say with Excel? or, are you coming to 
> spreadsheeting for the first time?
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2015, at 4:47 PM, Laura Bratton  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> Can anyone recommend a good resource for learning how to use numbers?
>> Thank you,
>> Laura 
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Re: learning to use numbers

2015-03-29 Thread Eugenia Firth

Hi Laura
If you know how to use Excel, you should know that numbers will except Excel 
files. One of the things you should know right away so that you don't take 
forever to figure it out, is that when you press the = to start your formula, 
the first thing to do is to press the right arrow key. That get you in the 
correct cursor position to start the rest to your formula. 

Gigi 

Sent from my iPhone

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> 
> Hi All,
> Can anyone recommend a good resource for learning how to use numbers?
> Thank you,
> Laura 
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Peel the Apple list.

2015-03-29 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu

I tried joining Peel the Apple list some time ago but was refused as I think 
the moderators of that list only let select people join that list as they only 
have favourites.  I asked several times why I was not allowed to join but never 
got an answer.

Kawal.

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Re: Inappropriate Responsses on List

2015-03-29 Thread Tim Kilburn

Hi,

check out https://www.gmail.com/intl/en_us/mail/help/program_policies.html

There was something else I noted last evening as well but can’t seem to locate 
it right now.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 29, 2015, at 13:47, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

Wut?

How is it in violation?  Do tell, do tell.

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- Original Message - From: "Tim Kilburn" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 2:43 AM
Subject: Re: Inappropriate Responsses on List


Hi All,

I have submitted an Abuse Report to the gMail team regarding these posts. The 
content is actually in violation of the Google Terms of Use and I believe that 
Google should be made aware of this misconduct.  I’ll leave it in their capable 
hands.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 29, 2015, at 00:32, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:

Christopher, what's your email address? I'll email you privately about reaching 
the mod.

> On Mar 28, 2015, at 7:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Oh, really?  Gotcha.  I'm going by the little I know from other listservs.
> 
> That probably explains why in the past all my owner request e-mails have 
> bounced with other google Groups.
> 
> So, then, please can you provide us with the exact procedure to contact the 
> owner of a Google Group such as this one?
> 
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> - Original Message - From: "The Believer" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 7:56 PM
> Subject: Re: Inappropriate Responsses on List
> 
> 
> By the way, there is no email address for a googlegroups owner, one
> must use a web form.
> 
> From The Believer. . .
> By way of the Chariots of the
> Gods cameth the Aliens who
> dwelt amongst the humans,
> and bringeth much knowledge.
> 
> On 3/28/2015 4:32 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> whoops?  This actually went to the whole list.
>> 
>> Try the address I suggested.
>> 
>> macvisionaries+ow...@googlegroups.com
>> 
>> I'm still looking for chris's address.  No luck yet though.  I'm sorry.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> ---
>> Check out my web site at:
>> http://www.clgproductions.net
>> - Original Message - From: "David Griffith"
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 7:19 PM
>> Subject: Inappropriate Responsses on List
>> 
>> 
>> Hello  thought I should bring your attention to the inappropriate
>> 
>> behaviour of an a list member today. Many of us feel he needs to be
>> removed from the list.
>> Some examples are below.
>> On 28/03/2015 18:21, mário navarro wrote:
>>> 
>>> yes, i know.
>>> put a microphone in the ass, and connect to your   mouth, and call the
>>> moderators.
>>> fuck you, piece of shit ...
>>> 
>>> Em 28/03/2015 17:53, David Griffith escreveu:
 Does anybody know how to contact moderators  on this list?
 
 David Griffith
 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 28/03/2015 18:34, mário navarro wrote:
>>> 
>>>  fuck you bitch.
>>> your pussy stinks.
>>> 
>>> Em 28/03/2015 18:16, Donna Goodin escreveu:
 I'm not easily offended, and have a fairly high tolerance for
 four-letter words, but this is over the top. In addition to being
 completely inappropriate, it's also very disrespectful.
 thank you,
 Donna
 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> *Date: *March 28, 2015 at 8:53:14 AM CDT
> *From: *mário navarro  >
> *To: *macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> 
> *Subject: **Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8*
> *Reply-To: *macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> fuck you, piece  of shit ...
> who you think you are ...
> You must be very important sucker!
> if you want to go out go and take your ignorance with  you ...
> I do not spoke to you sucker ...
> your head is full of shit ...
> you smell bad, go wash you piece of shit ...
> Em 28/03/2015 13:32, David Griffith escreveu:
>> I have had nothing to do with this thread but really this sounds
>> like a small spoilt child ranting in a playground.
>> We normally have grown up discussions on this list without hurling
>> personal insults at each other.
>> Could the moderator please confirm this is inappropriate on this
>> list. If this is the tone of emails I will have to read then I will
>> be off.
>> 
>> David Griffith
>> 
>> On 28/03/2015 13:01, mário navarro wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> man, why  you are so stupid?
>>> you work for apple?
>>> apple pay all your debts at the end of the month?
>>> apple solves all your problems of accessibility in the voice over?
>>> yes, because only you have no accessibility problems in your
>>> iPhone ...
>>> shut your mouth and respect the people in the group ...
>>> 
>>> Em 28/03/2015 02:04, Christopher-Mark Gilland escre

Re: Inappropriate Responsses on List


Gladly.  thank you for the link.

Chris.
---
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http://www.clgproductions.net
- Original Message - 
From: "Tim Kilburn" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: Inappropriate Responsses on List


Hi,

check out https://www.gmail.com/intl/en_us/mail/help/program_policies.html

There was something else I noted last evening as well but can’t seem to 
locate it right now.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 29, 2015, at 13:47, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


Wut?

How is it in violation?  Do tell, do tell.

Chris.
---
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http://www.clgproductions.net
- Original Message - From: "Tim Kilburn" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 2:43 AM
Subject: Re: Inappropriate Responsses on List


Hi All,

I have submitted an Abuse Report to the gMail team regarding these posts. 
The content is actually in violation of the Google Terms of Use and I 
believe that Google should be made aware of this misconduct.  I’ll leave it 
in their capable hands.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 29, 2015, at 00:32, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:

Christopher, what's your email address? I'll email you privately about 
reaching the mod.


On Mar 28, 2015, at 7:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Oh, really?  Gotcha.  I'm going by the little I know from other listservs.

That probably explains why in the past all my owner request e-mails have 
bounced with other google Groups.


So, then, please can you provide us with the exact procedure to contact 
the owner of a Google Group such as this one?


Chris.
---
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http://www.clgproductions.net
- Original Message - From: "The Believer" 


To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: Inappropriate Responsses on List


By the way, there is no email address for a googlegroups owner, one
must use a web form.

From The Believer. . .
By way of the Chariots of the
Gods cameth the Aliens who
dwelt amongst the humans,
and bringeth much knowledge.

On 3/28/2015 4:32 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

whoops?  This actually went to the whole list.

Try the address I suggested.

macvisionaries+ow...@googlegroups.com

I'm still looking for chris's address.  No luck yet though.  I'm sorry.

Chris.
---
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http://www.clgproductions.net
- Original Message - From: "David Griffith"

To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 7:19 PM
Subject: Inappropriate Responsses on List


Hello  thought I should bring your attention to the inappropriate

behaviour of an a list member today. Many of us feel he needs to be
removed from the list.
Some examples are below.
On 28/03/2015 18:21, mário navarro wrote:


yes, i know.
put a microphone in the ass, and connect to your   mouth, and call the
moderators.
fuck you, piece of shit ...

Em 28/03/2015 17:53, David Griffith escreveu:

Does anybody know how to contact moderators  on this list?

David Griffith






On 28/03/2015 18:34, mário navarro wrote:


 fuck you bitch.
your pussy stinks.

Em 28/03/2015 18:16, Donna Goodin escreveu:

I'm not easily offended, and have a fairly high tolerance for
four-letter words, but this is over the top. In addition to being
completely inappropriate, it's also very disrespectful.
thank you,
Donna


Begin forwarded message:

*Date: *March 28, 2015 at 8:53:14 AM CDT
*From: *mário navarro mailto:mario@gmail.com>>
*To: *macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

*Subject: **Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8*
*Reply-To: *macvisionaries@googlegroups.com




fuck you, piece  of shit ...
who you think you are ...
You must be very important sucker!
if you want to go out go and take your ignorance with  you ...
I do not spoke to you sucker ...
your head is full of shit ...
you smell bad, go wash you piece of shit ...
Em 28/03/2015 13:32, David Griffith escreveu:

I have had nothing to do with this thread but really this sounds
like a small spoilt child ranting in a playground.
We normally have grown up discussions on this list without hurling
personal insults at each other.
Could the moderator please confirm this is inappropriate on this
list. If this is the tone of emails I will have to read then I will
be off.

David Griffith

On 28/03/2015 13:01, mário navarro wrote:



man, why  you are so stupid?
you work for apple?
apple pay all your debts at the end of the month?
apple solves all your problems of accessibility in the voice over?
yes, because only you have no accessibility problems in your
iPhone ...
shut your mouth and respect the people in the group ...

Em 28/03/2015 02:04, Christopher-Mark Gilland escreveu:

All of the nightmarish things that happened with I O S 8 in the
beginning have pretty much been fixed.
I run I O S 8.2 on all of my devices, including my IPad Air first
generation, and all is very very smoothe.  I really don't have
any issues any longer.  OK, in Safari,

Re: learning to use numbers

2015-03-29 Thread Eileen Misrahi

Hello All, 

I'm in the same boat as Laura, but have applied some of the same principles 
that I've used in Excel. What surprised me was that VO announced the header for 
each column when in a particular cell. I was wondering how specify the defined 
ranges when creating a simple formula. It was difficult to ascertain the 
coordinates of the column and row like in Excel. I just opened the formula 
dialog  list and chose "sum" to get it inserted to tabulate the column. Any 
suggestions regarding the above would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Best,
Eileen

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 29, 2015, at 3:18 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
> Hi Laura
> If you know how to use Excel, you should know that numbers will except Excel 
> files. One of the things you should know right away so that you don't take 
> forever to figure it out, is that when you press the = to start your formula, 
> the first thing to do is to press the right arrow key. That get you in the 
> correct cursor position to start the rest to your formula. 
> 
> Gigi 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2015, at 3:47 PM, Laura Bratton  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> Can anyone recommend a good resource for learning how to use numbers?
>> Thank you,
>> Laura 
>> 
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Re: Logos Bible Software

2015-03-29 Thread Vinny Pedulla

Hi Amelio,
Unfortunately Logos is not accessible on the Mac. However, it does work pretty 
well on iOS. It is very usable and you can even use a refreshable braille 
display to read both Greek and English text.
HTH,
Vinny

> On Mar 29, 2015, at 6:23 AM, Emilio Hernandez  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> Has anyone downloaded Logos, a Bible software program for the Macintosh?
> If so, has anyone found it to be voiceover accessible?
> 
> Thanks for any help anyone can provide.
> 
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Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8

2015-03-29 Thread BBS

I'm with you man. I was there for a few years and got tired of the daily/hourly 
drama there. I don't care if my account there gets hacked or suspended. I have 
a bad reputation over there for being the poor little blind guy that can't 
afford Jaws. Well now I have a Mac so I don't care if I don't have enough money 
for Jaws. Voiceover on the Mac and iPhone beats Jaws any day.

Shawn
Sent From My White Macbook
  - Original Message - 
  From: Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 1:44 PM
  Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8


  Shawn,

  This is why I won't promote and flat out refuse to go to the zone bbs.

  chris.

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  http://www.clgproductions.net
- Original Message - 
From: Shawn Krasniuk 
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 2:16 AM
Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8


Chris, Mario kinda reminds me of another person on another mailing list 
named Pablo Morales. Both of them like to complain about issues that most of us 
aren't experiencing. The thing is, Apple must be doing something right if blind 
and sighted people keep buying their products. And sure, there are bugs, but I 
along with a hand full of blind beta testers are working hard to make iOS 8.3 
and OS X Yosemite the best it can be. 
As for Mario's questionable language, surprisingly, I'm not offended. I 
just laughed at it because it shows how childish this person really is, so it 
was entertaining for me. But on a serious note, this ain't the Zone BBS or it's 
mailing list, so I agree with others that the swearing temper tantrum isn't 
appropriate for a *Family* mailing list and should be dealt with.


Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook


  On Mar 28, 2015, at 3:34 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


  Donna,

  What bothers me mostly about this entire thread is that those unlike you, 
and the Believer, etc. will not present the list with any rock-solid examples 
of how things are still broken.  How must one expect us to believe them if they 
won't even back up their comments with anything worthwhile.

  Chris.
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  http://www.clgproductions.net
- Original Message - 
From: Donna Goodin
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8


I have to agree with the believer, here.  I don't know what you guys 
are talking about.  Many of Yuma's comments are about whether Apple is still on 
the cutting edge.  I agree that Tim Cook and Johnny Ives aren't the visionaries 
that Steve Jobs was, there's no question about that.  But in terms of the 
actual products, I've got IOS 8.2 on my phone, and I actually find Voiceover to 
be more responsive than with IOS 8.0, so it seems pretty clear to me that they 
made some accessibility improvements.  I'm running Yosemite on my MBA, and am 
happy with that as well.  I don't feel in anyway that accessibility is being 
pushed off to the side.  Are there things that could be improved, absolutely.  
But Apple is still doing a better job than any other company of building native 
accessibility into its products.  I had to use Windows 8 at my old job, and I 
can say truthfully it'd be a cold day in hell before I switch back to a PC.  I 
haven't used an Android phone since 2010, and I'm sure the landscape there has 
changed significantly since then.  But when I did try it, the experience did 
not bring me joy. 


This is just my experience, and as such, it is not intended to 
invalidate the experiences of anyone who may actually be having problems, just 
to say that not all of us are.  Don't know why some would be while others 
aren't, but perhaps that is the case.
Best,
Donna

  On Mar 28, 2015, at 8:01 AM, mário navarro  
wrote:


  

  man, why  you are so stupid?
  you work for apple?
  apple pay all your debts at the end of the month?
  apple solves all your problems of accessibility in the voice over?
  yes, because only you have no accessibility problems in your iPhone 
...
  shut your mouth and respect the people in the group ...


  Em 28/03/2015 02:04, Christopher-Mark Gilland escreveu:

All of the nightmarish things that happened with I O S 8 in the 
beginning have pretty much been fixed.

I run I O S 8.2 on all of my devices, including my IPad Air first 
generation, and all is very very smoothe.  I really don't have any issues any 
longer.  OK, in Safari, on huge web pages, sometimes the item chooser will crap 
the bed, but even that is becoming more and more rare, and the main web site 
where I see this happen, is a major exception, as that page literally speaking 
has over 12 thousand links on it.

Re: learning to use numbers

2015-03-29 Thread Eugenia Firth

Hello Eileen
I think I understand what you're asking, so I will do my best to explain how I 
figure out my ranges. If you know you want to start with the first cell in your 
column then it is extremely easy because you don't have to figure it out 
basically. If I want to add a column of numbers, the first thing I do is draw a 
line, and the characteristics of that line is text. I put an apostrophe and 
then six or 7 ='s so that voiceover will save them. This separates the Numbers 
I want to add from the answer. Then I go to the menu with   Vo mand right arrow 
to insert. Then I find the entry that says formula, and choose sum. Then I 
press the return key. 

 if you want to start at something other than the first cell in your column 
then you can locate the first cell,  select to the end of your column with 
shift command down aero. A lot of times I just leave my finger on the shift key 
and go up arrow until I find the line that I talked about earlier. I do this if 
I have gone too far . Then I can use the menu to choose the option to add the 
numbers. You can use the same procedure for rows of numbers as well although I 
do not insert a line if I'm doing a roll of numbers. The answer is inserted in 
the cell to the right of where I start selecting.
Hope all this helps.
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 29, 2015, at 5:40 PM, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
> 
> Hello All, 
> 
> I'm in the same boat as Laura, but have applied some of the same principles 
> that I've used in Excel. What surprised me was that VO announced the header 
> for each column when in a particular cell. I was wondering how specify the 
> defined ranges when creating a simple formula. It was difficult to ascertain 
> the coordinates of the column and row like in Excel. I just opened the 
> formula dialog  list and chose "sum" to get it inserted to tabulate the 
> column. Any suggestions regarding the above would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Best,
> Eileen
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2015, at 3:18 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Laura
>> If you know how to use Excel, you should know that numbers will except Excel 
>> files. One of the things you should know right away so that you don't take 
>> forever to figure it out, is that when you press the = to start your 
>> formula, the first thing to do is to press the right arrow key. That get you 
>> in the correct cursor position to start the rest to your formula. 
>> 
>> Gigi 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 29, 2015, at 3:47 PM, Laura Bratton  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> Can anyone recommend a good resource for learning how to use numbers?
>>> Thank you,
>>> Laura 
>>> 
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Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8

2015-03-29 Thread The Believer

   The blunt truth is, some people who were the most bothered by Mario 
this past weekend are just like him. No different. That is why he was so 
successful in yanking your chains. He played you. (smiles)


   Are we done yet?

From The Believer. . .
   By way of the Chariots of the
Gods cameth the Aliens who
dwelt amongst the humans,
and bringeth much knowledge.

On 3/29/2015 4:20 PM, BBS wrote:

I'm with you man. I was there for a few years and got tired of the daily/hourly 
drama there. I don't care if my account there gets hacked or suspended. I have 
a bad reputation over there for being the poor little blind guy that can't 
afford Jaws. Well now I have a Mac so I don't care if I don't have enough money 
for Jaws. Voiceover on the Mac and iPhone beats Jaws any day.

Shawn
Sent From My White Macbook
   - Original Message -
   From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
   To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 1:44 PM
   Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8


   Shawn,

   This is why I won't promote and flat out refuse to go to the zone bbs.

   chris.

   ---
   Check out my web site at:
   http://www.clgproductions.net
 - Original Message -
 From: Shawn Krasniuk
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 2:16 AM
 Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8


 Chris, Mario kinda reminds me of another person on another mailing list 
named Pablo Morales. Both of them like to complain about issues that most of us 
aren't experiencing. The thing is, Apple must be doing something right if blind 
and sighted people keep buying their products. And sure, there are bugs, but I 
along with a hand full of blind beta testers are working hard to make iOS 8.3 
and OS X Yosemite the best it can be.
 As for Mario's questionable language, surprisingly, I'm not offended. I 
just laughed at it because it shows how childish this person really is, so it 
was entertaining for me. But on a serious note, this ain't the Zone BBS or it's 
mailing list, so I agree with others that the swearing temper tantrum isn't 
appropriate for a *Family* mailing list and should be dealt with.


 Shawn
 Sent From My White MacBook


   On Mar 28, 2015, at 3:34 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


   Donna,

   What bothers me mostly about this entire thread is that those unlike 
you, and the Believer, etc. will not present the list with any rock-solid 
examples of how things are still broken.  How must one expect us to believe 
them if they won't even back up their comments with anything worthwhile.

   Chris.
   ---
   Check out my web site at:
   http://www.clgproductions.net
 - Original Message -
 From: Donna Goodin
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 9:19 AM
 Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8


 I have to agree with the believer, here.  I don't know what you guys 
are talking about.  Many of Yuma's comments are about whether Apple is still on 
the cutting edge.  I agree that Tim Cook and Johnny Ives aren't the visionaries 
that Steve Jobs was, there's no question about that.  But in terms of the 
actual products, I've got IOS 8.2 on my phone, and I actually find Voiceover to 
be more responsive than with IOS 8.0, so it seems pretty clear to me that they 
made some accessibility improvements.  I'm running Yosemite on my MBA, and am 
happy with that as well.  I don't feel in anyway that accessibility is being 
pushed off to the side.  Are there things that could be improved, absolutely.  
But Apple is still doing a better job than any other company of building native 
accessibility into its products.  I had to use Windows 8 at my old job, and I 
can say truthfully it'd be a cold day in hell before I switch back to a PC.  I 
haven't used an Android phone since 2010, and I'm sur

e the landscape there has changed significantly since then.  But when I did try 
it, the experience did not bring me joy.



 This is just my experience, and as such, it is not intended to 
invalidate the experiences of anyone who may actually be having problems, just 
to say that not all of us are.  Don't know why some would be while others 
aren't, but perhaps that is the case.
 Best,
 Donna

   On Mar 28, 2015, at 8:01 AM, mário navarro  
wrote:




   man, why  you are so stupid?
   you work for apple?
   apple pay all your debts at the end of the month?
   apple solves all your problems of accessibility in the voice over?
   yes, because only you have no accessibility problems in your iPhone 
...
   shut your mouth and respect the people in the group ...


   Em 28/03/2015 02:04, Christopher-Mark Gilland escreveu:

 All of the nightmarish things that happened with I O S 8 in the 
beginning have pretty much been fixed.

Re: Looking for a Script to Give a Word Count in TextEdit

2015-03-29 Thread Chris Moore

Hello,
How would you run this script from within textEdit?  Would you assign it to a 
hot key?
Chris
> On Mar 27, 2015, at 8:10 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> It's not, but you have a great point. I'll add that to the next version.
> 
> In the meantime, here's the script. Just copy the below lines, open up Script 
> Editor, paste, and save the script in the same place as the other Talking 
> Dashboard ones. It's not tested very much--I wrote it in about fifteen 
> minutes--but it runs on my machine and doesn't require Yosemite. Be warned 
> that, if TextEdit is not running when you run this script, the app will 
> launch itself. Anyway, here is the script:
> 
> (* Keywords:
> $wordCount: the number of words in the currently open document in TextEdit
> $characterCount: the number of characters in the currently open TextEdit 
> document
> $name: the name of the currently open document
> *)
> 
> set template to "$wordCount words ($characterCount characters) in $name."
> set utilities to import("utilities.scpt")
> 
> set {wordCount, characterCount, documentName} to {0, 0, ""}
> 
> tell application "TextEdit"
>   set my wordCount to count (words of document 1)
>   set my characterCount to count (characters of document 1)
>   set my documentName to name of document 1
> end tell
> 
> set keywords to {{"$wordCount", wordCount}, {"$characterCount", 
> characterCount}, {"$name", documentName}}
> set template to str_replace(keywords, template) of utilities
> tell utilities to speak(template)
> 
> on import(filename)
>   set p to (path to me) as text
>   set oldDelimiters to text item delimiters of AppleScript
>   set AppleScript's text item delimiters to ":"
>   set scpt to load script file (((text items 1 through ((length of (text 
> items of p)) - 1) of p) & filename) as text)
>   set text item delimiters of AppleScript to oldDelimiters
>   return scpt
> end import
> 
>> On Mar 27, 2015, at 6:37 PM, Jamie Pauls > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, all,
>> 
>> I understand that a script exists that will allow one to get a word count 
>> for a document using TextEdit. If someone could kindly point me to this 
>> script, that would be great. It doesn’t appear to be a part of the Talking 
>> Dashboard scripts unless I’mm missing something.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Take care and have a great day.
>> Jamie Pauls
>> jamiepa...@gmail.com 
>> 
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Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8

2015-03-29 Thread Yuma Antoine Decaux

I agree. I have had to delete continuously over sunday while i was busy on my 
assignments. This over a feature or lack of on a phone. Think about it, people. 
What then if the topic was something sensitive? It shows a certain level of 
immaturity and lack of real activities. And a list should not require 
moderation if people are aware that saying fuck or shit is wrong to start with. 
Whoever starts it. But falling into the trap is just as short sighted pun 
intended. 

All this commotion for absolutely nothing consequent.

Sent from sputnik7 

> On 30/03/2015, at 9:45 am, The Believer  wrote:
> 
>   The blunt truth is, some people who were the most bothered by Mario this 
> past weekend are just like him. No different. That is why he was so 
> successful in yanking your chains. He played you. (smiles)
> 
>   Are we done yet?
> 
> From The Believer. . .
>   By way of the Chariots of the
> Gods cameth the Aliens who
> dwelt amongst the humans,
> and bringeth much knowledge.
> 
>> On 3/29/2015 4:20 PM, BBS wrote:
>> I'm with you man. I was there for a few years and got tired of the 
>> daily/hourly drama there. I don't care if my account there gets hacked or 
>> suspended. I have a bad reputation over there for being the poor little 
>> blind guy that can't afford Jaws. Well now I have a Mac so I don't care if I 
>> don't have enough money for Jaws. Voiceover on the Mac and iPhone beats Jaws 
>> any day.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White Macbook
>>   - Original Message -
>>   From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
>>   To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>   Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 1:44 PM
>>   Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
>> 
>> 
>>   Shawn,
>> 
>>   This is why I won't promote and flat out refuse to go to the zone bbs.
>> 
>>   chris.
>> 
>>   ---
>>   Check out my web site at:
>>   http://www.clgproductions.net
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Shawn Krasniuk
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 2:16 AM
>> Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
>> 
>> 
>> Chris, Mario kinda reminds me of another person on another mailing list 
>> named Pablo Morales. Both of them like to complain about issues that most of 
>> us aren't experiencing. The thing is, Apple must be doing something right if 
>> blind and sighted people keep buying their products. And sure, there are 
>> bugs, but I along with a hand full of blind beta testers are working hard to 
>> make iOS 8.3 and OS X Yosemite the best it can be.
>> As for Mario's questionable language, surprisingly, I'm not offended. I 
>> just laughed at it because it shows how childish this person really is, so 
>> it was entertaining for me. But on a serious note, this ain't the Zone BBS 
>> or it's mailing list, so I agree with others that the swearing temper 
>> tantrum isn't appropriate for a *Family* mailing list and should be dealt 
>> with.
>> 
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> 
>> 
>>   On Mar 28, 2015, at 3:34 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>   Donna,
>> 
>>   What bothers me mostly about this entire thread is that those unlike 
>> you, and the Believer, etc. will not present the list with any rock-solid 
>> examples of how things are still broken.  How must one expect us to believe 
>> them if they won't even back up their comments with anything worthwhile.
>> 
>>   Chris.
>>   ---
>>   Check out my web site at:
>>   http://www.clgproductions.net
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Donna Goodin
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 9:19 AM
>> Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
>> 
>> 
>> I have to agree with the believer, here.  I don't know what you guys 
>> are talking about.  Many of Yuma's comments are about whether Apple is still 
>> on the cutting edge.  I agree that Tim Cook and Johnny Ives aren't the 
>> visionaries that Steve Jobs was, there's no question about that.  But in 
>> terms of the actual products, I've got IOS 8.2 on my phone, and I actually 
>> find Voiceover to be more responsive than with IOS 8.0, so it seems pretty 
>> clear to me that they made some accessibility improvements.  I'm running 
>> Yosemite on my MBA, and am happy with that as well.  I don't feel in anyway 
>> that accessibility is being pushed off to the side.  Are there things that 
>> could be improved, absolutely.  But Apple is still doing a better job than 
>> any other company of building native accessibility into its products.  I had 
>> to use Windows 8 at my old job, and I can say truthfully it'd be a cold day 
>> in hell before I switch back to a PC.  I haven't used an Android phone since 
>> 2010, and I'm sur
> e the landscape there has changed significantly since then.  But when I did 
> try it, the experience did not bring me joy.
>> 
>> 
>> This is just my experience, and as such, it is

Re: Peel the Apple list.

2015-03-29 Thread Jessica Moss

What is the peal the apples list?
On Mar 29, 2015, at 6:34 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

> I tried joining Peel the Apple list some time ago but was refused as I think 
> the moderators of that list only let select people join that list as they 
> only have favourites.  I asked several times why I was not allowed to join 
> but never got an answer.
> 
> Kawal.
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Re: Proposal to create an alternate MacVisionaries list

2015-03-29 Thread Gabe Vega Commtech LLC

my apple support vi list is both moded a very expert driven list. you get 
answers from real apple and tech experts who train professionally not by 
consumers giving guesses.
send email to
applesupportvi-subscr...@yahoogroups.com 

Gabe Vega
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Commtech LLC
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Email: i...@commtechusa.net
Phone: (888) 351-5289 ext. 710

> On Mar 29, 2015, at 12:04 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> OK, since there does not seem to be clear consensus to start a new list--and 
> there are good reasons not to--I will not move forward with that for now.  If 
> in the future the group decides they want a moded list, we can reopen the 
> discussion then.
> Best,
> Donna
>> On Mar 29, 2015, at 11:41 AM, Gabe Vega Commtech LLC > > wrote:
>> 
>> we also have a apple support list.
>> send email to 
>> applesupportvi-subscr...@yahoogroups.com 
>> 
>> its a great list, very well managed by our staff, and the great John P. from 
>> Mac for the blind.
>> check it out!
>> 
>> Gabe Vega
>> CEO
>> Commtech LLC
>> Web: http://commtechusa.net 
>> FaceBook: http://facebook.com/commtechllc 
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/commtechllc 
>> Email: i...@commtechusa.net 
>> Phone: (888) 351-5289 ext. 710
>> 
>>> On Mar 29, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Devin Prater >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think that'd be a good idea.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Mar 29, 2015, at 5:11 AM, Donna Goodin >>> > wrote:

 Hello all,

 One thing that yesterday's events have made abundantly clear, is that this 
 list is no longer being moderated.  This surprises me quite a bit, because 
 in the early days of MacVisionaries, Cara was an extremely diligent 
 moderator.  I know she took on at least one co-mod a while back, but I 
 don't remember who that was, and that person doesn't seem to be around 
 either.  While I'm not a big believer in heavy moderation, I do think that 
 there at least needs to be someone paying some attention so that when 
 morons like Mario get loose, they can be removed from the list.  I will 
 therefore offer to create an alternate list, which I--and hopefully one 
 co-mod will moderate, at least to the extent of managing subscriptions and 
 dealing with bad behavior.  However, I don't want to do this unless it is 
 something that the majority of the community wants.  Please let me know if 
 you would like an alternate moderated list, and also if you have any wish 
 to co-mod with me.  Please note that even a low level of modding is a fair 
 amount of work, so please don't offer unless you're willing and able to 
 put in the time.  My hope is that if there are two of us, we can set 
 things up so the work isn't too much for either one of us.
 Thanks,
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Re: Problem with numbers

2015-03-29 Thread Nancy Badger

How do you check that? I have no idea what you're talking about.

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
UT Chattanooga
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> On Mar 29, 2015, at 2:52 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
> Hi there
> Have you check to see if the role is hidden?
> Gigi
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 28, 2015, at 7:30 PM, Nancy Badger  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I am very frustrated and would appreciate any help you all can provide. I am 
>> working on a large table in numbers. It is very simple and very basic. 
>> Everything was going fine until I got to Road number 26. All of a sudden I 
>> could not enter any more data. I could interact with the cell, and the 
>> letters were read to me by voice over as I typed them in. However, when I 
>> went back to check row 26 there was nothing there. What could be happening? 
>> Any suggestions? Thanks very much.
>> Nancy
>> 
>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>> Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
>> UT Chattanooga
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Re: learning to use numbers

2015-03-29 Thread Phil Halton

I’ll take a stab at this.
if you create a header row or a header column in your table and place a text 
description in that header cell, then you can reference that label in the 
formula editor to refer to the entire row/column.
for example, if you have one header row with contents columnA, columnB, columnC 
etc across row 1. then you could have a formula tlike =sum(columnA) and that 
would sum all cells in column a.
Tables have header areas with a max of 5 rows, a data area with unspecified 
number of rows, and a footer area with a max of 5 rows. 
The header row closest to the data area is used as labels for the data . Also, 
there can be header columns up to a max of 5, and the column closest to the 
data area is used as labels for the data rows.
So, with a single header column containing labels row 2, row3, row4, etc. You 
could reference a single data cell with an address of colB,row4 for example.
When in the editor, just start typing the name of the row or column header 
label and it will auto complete for you if possible.

Hope this is what your asking for, I’m a bit tired and not giving my best 
thought to the question. Hope it gets you started.
Also, I highly recommend reading the section on relative and absolute 
addressing and all other general topics in the numbers help system. reading 
that and then experimenting with simple formulas will answer more questions for 
you than you might think.

> On Mar 29, 2015, at 6:40 PM, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
> 
> Hello All, 
> 
> I'm in the same boat as Laura, but have applied some of the same principles 
> that I've used in Excel. What surprised me was that VO announced the header 
> for each column when in a particular cell. I was wondering how specify the 
> defined ranges when creating a simple formula. It was difficult to ascertain 
> the coordinates of the column and row like in Excel. I just opened the 
> formula dialog  list and chose "sum" to get it inserted to tabulate the 
> column. Any suggestions regarding the above would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Best,
> Eileen
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2015, at 3:18 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Laura
>> If you know how to use Excel, you should know that numbers will except Excel 
>> files. One of the things you should know right away so that you don't take 
>> forever to figure it out, is that when you press the = to start your 
>> formula, the first thing to do is to press the right arrow key. That get you 
>> in the correct cursor position to start the rest to your formula. 
>> 
>> Gigi 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 29, 2015, at 3:47 PM, Laura Bratton  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> Can anyone recommend a good resource for learning how to use numbers?
>>> Thank you,
>>> Laura 
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Re: Logos Bible Software

2015-03-29 Thread CJ Daniel

Emelio,

As previously stated, Logos is not accessible.  Also, the afore mentioned 
Eloquent—the bible software previously known as MacSword—has not been 
accessible since the introduction of Mavericks.  Well, @ least not in my 
experience.  And, I did try to contact the developer, twice, with no joy.

So, as disappointed as I was not to have bible software on the Mac, I contacted 
Optasia Ministries & had a huge collection of bibles, commentaries, 
dictionaries, etc, etc sent to me.  It can be a bit cumbersome using HTML, 
text, & various other formats of files; but it works & just reminds me of 
having a bunch of books on my real desktop.  I, also, have had great success 
using BlueLetterBible.org online.  Lastly, a mod on another list has noted—on 
several occasions— how happy he is with the BlueLetterBible software for IOS, 
that he uses with VoiceOver.

Anyway, I hope this helps,

CJ

> On Mar 29, 2015, at 3:23 AM, Emilio Hernandez  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> Has anyone downloaded Logos, a Bible software program for the Macintosh?
> If so, has anyone found it to be voiceover accessible?
> 
> Thanks for any help anyone can provide.
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Re: Logos Bible Software


Why not just use Bible Gateway?

http://www.biblegateway.org

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- Original Message - 
From: "CJ Daniel" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: Logos Bible Software


Emelio,

As previously stated, Logos is not accessible.  Also, the afore mentioned 
Eloquent—the bible software previously known as MacSword—has not been 
accessible since the introduction of Mavericks.  Well, @ least not in my 
experience.  And, I did try to contact the developer, twice, with no joy.


So, as disappointed as I was not to have bible software on the Mac, I 
contacted Optasia Ministries & had a huge collection of bibles, 
commentaries, dictionaries, etc, etc sent to me.  It can be a bit cumbersome 
using HTML, text, & various other formats of files; but it works & just 
reminds me of having a bunch of books on my real desktop.  I, also, have had 
great success using BlueLetterBible.org online.  Lastly, a mod on another 
list has noted—on several occasions— how happy he is with the 
BlueLetterBible software for IOS, that he uses with VoiceOver.


Anyway, I hope this helps,

CJ

On Mar 29, 2015, at 3:23 AM, Emilio Hernandez 
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Hello everyone,

Has anyone downloaded Logos, a Bible software program for the Macintosh?
If so, has anyone found it to be voiceover accessible?

Thanks for any help anyone can provide.

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Re: Proposal to create an alternate MacVisionaries list

2015-03-29 Thread CJ Daniel

Donna,

Don’t blame you one bit.  You were pretty vilely used by this person.  Your 
reaction seems pretty understandable.  But, I don’t think we need to throw the 
baby out with the bathwater yet.  

In fact, if your ready to take on the responsibility of being a mod, perhaps 
you could volunteer to take up some of the apparent slack on this list?  I’m 
sure there’s a reason that this particular incident has been allowed to go un 
addressed.  But, I’m pretty sure it’ll be taken care of.  Anyway, just a 
thought about modding this list.

Seriously, I’m sorry that you were so badly abused,

CJ

> On Mar 29, 2015, at 12:04 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> OK, since there does not seem to be clear consensus to start a new list--and 
> there are good reasons not to--I will not move forward with that for now.  If 
> in the future the group decides they want a moded list, we can reopen the 
> discussion then.
> Best,
> Donna
>> On Mar 29, 2015, at 11:41 AM, Gabe Vega Commtech LLC > > wrote:
>> 
>> we also have a apple support list.
>> send email to 
>> applesupportvi-subscr...@yahoogroups.com 
>> 
>> its a great list, very well managed by our staff, and the great John P. from 
>> Mac for the blind.
>> check it out!
>> 
>> Gabe Vega
>> CEO
>> Commtech LLC
>> Web: http://commtechusa.net 
>> FaceBook: http://facebook.com/commtechllc 
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/commtechllc 
>> Email: i...@commtechusa.net 
>> Phone: (888) 351-5289 ext. 710
>> 
>>> On Mar 29, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Devin Prater >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think that'd be a good idea.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Mar 29, 2015, at 5:11 AM, Donna Goodin >>> > wrote:

 Hello all,

 One thing that yesterday's events have made abundantly clear, is that this 
 list is no longer being moderated.  This surprises me quite a bit, because 
 in the early days of MacVisionaries, Cara was an extremely diligent 
 moderator.  I know she took on at least one co-mod a while back, but I 
 don't remember who that was, and that person doesn't seem to be around 
 either.  While I'm not a big believer in heavy moderation, I do think that 
 there at least needs to be someone paying some attention so that when 
 morons like Mario get loose, they can be removed from the list.  I will 
 therefore offer to create an alternate list, which I--and hopefully one 
 co-mod will moderate, at least to the extent of managing subscriptions and 
 dealing with bad behavior.  However, I don't want to do this unless it is 
 something that the majority of the community wants.  Please let me know if 
 you would like an alternate moderated list, and also if you have any wish 
 to co-mod with me.  Please note that even a low level of modding is a fair 
 amount of work, so please don't offer unless you're willing and able to 
 put in the time.  My hope is that if there are two of us, we can set 
 things up so the work isn't too much for either one of us.
 Thanks,
 Donna

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Re: Proposal to create an alternate MacVisionaries list

Donna,

You, too, have my support and encouragement.  I was very saddened at the things 
I saw, both directed, and not directed at you.
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  Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 11:06 PM
  Subject: Re: Proposal to create an alternate MacVisionaries list

  Donna,

  Don’t blame you one bit.  You were pretty vilely used by this person.  Your 
reaction seems pretty understandable.  But, I don’t think we need to throw the 
baby out with the bathwater yet.  

  In fact, if your ready to take on the responsibility of being a mod, perhaps 
you could volunteer to take up some of the apparent slack on this list?  I’m 
sure there’s a reason that this particular incident has been allowed to go un 
addressed.  But, I’m pretty sure it’ll be taken care of.  Anyway, just a 
thought about modding this list.

  Seriously, I’m sorry that you were so badly abused,

  CJ

On Mar 29, 2015, at 12:04 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

OK, since there does not seem to be clear consensus to start a new 
list--and there are good reasons not to--I will not move forward with that for 
now.  If in the future the group decides they want a moded list, we can reopen 
the discussion then.
Best,
Donna

  On Mar 29, 2015, at 11:41 AM, Gabe Vega Commtech LLC 
 wrote:

  we also have a apple support list.
  send email to 
  applesupportvi-subscr...@yahoogroups.com
  its a great list, very well managed by our staff, and the great John P. 
from Mac for the blind.
  check it out!

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  Phone: (888) 351-5289 ext. 710

On Mar 29, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:

I think that'd be a good idea.

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  On Mar 29, 2015, at 5:11 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

  Hello all,

  One thing that yesterday's events have made abundantly clear, is that 
this list is no longer being moderated.  This surprises me quite a bit, because 
in the early days of MacVisionaries, Cara was an extremely diligent moderator.  
I know she took on at least one co-mod a while back, but I don't remember who 
that was, and that person doesn't seem to be around either.  While I'm not a 
big believer in heavy moderation, I do think that there at least needs to be 
someone paying some attention so that when morons like Mario get loose, they 
can be removed from the list.  I will therefore offer to create an alternate 
list, which I--and hopefully one co-mod will moderate, at least to the extent 
of managing subscriptions and dealing with bad behavior.  However, I don't want 
to do this unless it is something that the majority of the community wants.  
Please let me know if you would like an alternate moderated list, and also if 
you have any wish to co-mod with me.  Please note that even a low level of 
modding is a fair amount of work, so please don't offer unless you're willing 
and able to put in the time.  My hope is that if there are two of us, we can 
set things up so the work isn't too much for either one of us.
  Thanks,
  Donna

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Re: Looking for a Script to Give a Word Count in TextEdit

2015-03-29 Thread Alex Hall

You'd assign it to a commander, at least that's the easiest way I can think of. 
You'll also need the Talking Dashboard scripts, since that zip file contains 
the utilities this one uses.
> On Mar 29, 2015, at 7:53 PM, Chris Moore  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> How would you run this script from within textEdit?  Would you assign it to a 
> hot key?
> Chris
>> On Mar 27, 2015, at 8:10 PM, Alex Hall > > wrote:
>> 
>> It's not, but you have a great point. I'll add that to the next version.
>> 
>> In the meantime, here's the script. Just copy the below lines, open up 
>> Script Editor, paste, and save the script in the same place as the other 
>> Talking Dashboard ones. It's not tested very much--I wrote it in about 
>> fifteen minutes--but it runs on my machine and doesn't require Yosemite. Be 
>> warned that, if TextEdit is not running when you run this script, the app 
>> will launch itself. Anyway, here is the script:
>> 
>> (* Keywords:
>> $wordCount: the number of words in the currently open document in TextEdit
>> $characterCount: the number of characters in the currently open TextEdit 
>> document
>> $name: the name of the currently open document
>> *)
>> 
>> set template to "$wordCount words ($characterCount characters) in $name."
>> set utilities to import("utilities.scpt")
>> 
>> set {wordCount, characterCount, documentName} to {0, 0, ""}
>> 
>> tell application "TextEdit"
>>  set my wordCount to count (words of document 1)
>>  set my characterCount to count (characters of document 1)
>>  set my documentName to name of document 1
>> end tell
>> 
>> set keywords to {{"$wordCount", wordCount}, {"$characterCount", 
>> characterCount}, {"$name", documentName}}
>> set template to str_replace(keywords, template) of utilities
>> tell utilities to speak(template)
>> 
>> on import(filename)
>>  set p to (path to me) as text
>>  set oldDelimiters to text item delimiters of AppleScript
>>  set AppleScript's text item delimiters to ":"
>>  set scpt to load script file (((text items 1 through ((length of (text 
>> items of p)) - 1) of p) & filename) as text)
>>  set text item delimiters of AppleScript to oldDelimiters
>>  return scpt
>> end import
>> 
>>> On Mar 27, 2015, at 6:37 PM, Jamie Pauls >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello, all,
>>> 
>>> I understand that a script exists that will allow one to get a word count 
>>> for a document using TextEdit. If someone could kindly point me to this 
>>> script, that would be great. It doesn’t appear to be a part of the Talking 
>>> Dashboard scripts unless I’mm missing something.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Take care and have a great day.
>>> Jamie Pauls
>>> jamiepa...@gmail.com 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: purchases from iTunes

2015-03-29 Thread Anders Holmberg

Hello!
No i have no such problem.
The only problems i have had is to get back my music which i’v bought.
/Ae 
> 28 mar 2015 kl. 19:36 skrev Juliette Swiler :
> 
> Hello all,
> I saw someone post about having trouble making purchases from the iTunes 
> store recently. It appears to be happening to me all of a sudden. I even went 
> in on my computer and changed my payment method, to no avail. I am now 
> blocked from downloading a free app even, because it keeps telling me there 
> is a problem with a previous purchase. This must be an error on Apple’s end. 
> Anyone else experiencing this?
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Moderation of the list

2015-03-29 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries

Wanted to let you all know that the account in question is now blocked 
from the list. I should point out a couple things:


1. I'm not the moderator, I just help out with registering new users, as 
many of you already know. By nature of that role I can also help folks 
out by fiddling with their accounts. While I may be overstepping my 
role, it was obvious to me that this cup of sewage was spoiling our 
barrel of wine.


2. I went through the history of postings from when the account was 
added in 2011 and the screeds of late do not seem to be of the same 
person. I suspect the account somehow got hacked and the new owner 
decided to have some 'fun' by trolling our list. The original poster was 
usually on-topic up through December of last year and then went silent. 
Suddenly he pops up on the list with 27 posts in two days of a most 
unpleasant nature.


3. I'm not familiar enough with how this system works to know if we can 
delete the messages. I'll poke around and find out. That won't help your 
inbox but it might be some solace to the real owner of the account whose 
name is now associated with the recent unpleasantness.


Sorry for not pulling the plug sooner. I'm not on my email as often on 
weekends.


CB

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