Re: Dropbox in Yosemite

[Jeffrey Shockley]

Hello,
I am not sure if this is just me, or just on my Mac here, but when I go to 
“Menu Extras” and to the “Dropbox 2.10.41” icon, (Think I got the version 
number right, anyways, it’s the latest one,) that I do not have to use the 
mouse to activate it to get the window that comes up with titles of files and 
the “Settings” button at the very bottom to come up. So, I can just VO Space on 
that icon, just like any other “Menu Extra,” and it just comes up. That should 
eliminate some of the steps needed to access Dropbox on the Mac.
Also, using something like App Cleaner to completely uninstall Dropbox and 
reinstalling it may also help.
Hope this helps,
Jeffrey
> On Nov 6, 2014, at 2:03 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Dear Lisette,
> 
> I upgraded to Yosemite a few weeks ago but have not had any trouble with 
> Dropbox.  Please forgive me if I say something you have already tried.
> 
> I’ve just gone to menu extras with ctrl+f8.  Once there, use vo+left and 
> right arrows to move through the menu items.  Otherwise if you just use arrow 
> keys on their own, you won’t find Dropbox item.  So now, using vo+arrow keys, 
> I have found Dropbox icon.  Now you have to bring mouse cursor to vo cursor 
> with vo+command+f5.  And then perform mouse click with vo+shift+spacebar.  
> You will hear something like “application”.  (If you get thrown out of the 
> process here, use windows chooser menu  to find Dropbox application window.)  
> Now I used vo+arrow keys again to move through the window where voiceover 
> reads titles of my files in Dropbox.  The “settings” button or rather 
> clickable area is at the very right of this list.  I clicked on it and heard 
> voiceover say menu.  Now you can arrow up and down that menu and at the 
> bottom you will find “preferences”.  Activate preferences.  If you get thrown 
> out of this process by any chance - which happened to me - use your window 
> chooser facility to find the dropbox window again.  Once in preferences,  you 
> will have a few buttons: General, account, and two to other buttons which I 
> can’t remember now.  You can choose whatever button with the usual 
> vo+spacebar here.  Voiceover will announce that a button is selected but for 
> me I couldn’t actually see the content of the window that I expected to have 
> appeared as a consequence of my selection.  After some experimenting, I 
> realise that in here you have to press your tab button to move into the 
> window to examine its content and make changes.
> 
> I hope this might help.  Sorry if this description is a bit complex but 
> dropbox is not very easy.  By the way, my dropbox version is 2.10.41.  
> 
> Also, if you check your home folder, can you see dropbox folder there?
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Andrew
>> On 6 Nov 2014, at 02:06, Lisette Wesseling  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> Since upgrading to Yosemite, my Dropbox doesn't seem to be sinking with my 
>> Mac. I wanted to check whether I was signed in, but can't find it in the 
>> extras menu anymore. When I try to open the app, I just get busy busy.
>> Where do I go to sign in on my Mac please?
>> 
>> Lisette
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Recording FaceTime with Audio Hijack

[Brandon A. Olivares]

Hello,

I’m trying to record a conversation in FaceTime. I know it is possible, as 
Rogue Amiba said they added the feature.

However for some reason when I do this, it also captures the system sound 
output. So, you can hear Voiceover in the recording. Obviously this is quite 
undesirable. I just want the FaceTime output, not Voiceover.

I’m using an external microphone, so it shouldn’t be picking up voiceover in my 
headphones. The only thing I can think of is perhaps Audio Hijack is picking up 
input from both the external mic, and my headphone mic, but that doesn’t make 
sense.

In the advanced dialog, I have selected to capture audio inputs, as otherwise 
it won’t capture the external microphone.

Any idea why this might be happening? It’s rather urgent I get this figured out.

Thanks,
Brandon

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Re: Recording FaceTime with Audio Hijack

[Ray Foret Jr]

Same thing happens to me.  When you record Facetime, does the actual person's 
voice kind of sound like it's recording double?  That's what it does for me. 
I'm blasted if I can figure it out either.


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> On Nov 6, 2014, at 8:57 AM, Brandon A. Olivares  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I’m trying to record a conversation in FaceTime. I know it is possible, as 
> Rogue Amiba said they added the feature.
> 
> However for some reason when I do this, it also captures the system sound 
> output. So, you can hear Voiceover in the recording. Obviously this is quite 
> undesirable. I just want the FaceTime output, not Voiceover.
> 
> I’m using an external microphone, so it shouldn’t be picking up voiceover in 
> my headphones. The only thing I can think of is perhaps Audio Hijack is 
> picking up input from both the external mic, and my headphone mic, but that 
> doesn’t make sense.
> 
> In the advanced dialog, I have selected to capture audio inputs, as otherwise 
> it won’t capture the external microphone.
> 
> Any idea why this might be happening? It’s rather urgent I get this figured 
> out.
> 
> Thanks,
> Brandon
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Bar code scanner

[Joe Quinn]

Accessible barcode readers for iOS? By that I mean you hold something up to the 
camera and when it finds the barcode it'll tell   what it is? Similar to those 
Id mate things.

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Re: Bar code scanner

[Alex Hall]

Red Laser is the best I've found, and it's free. Digit Eyes can do the same 
thing, but I find it far more difficult to get it to see the code. Use Red 
Laser, be sure to tap the "light" button so the light on your device is on 
(assuming there is a light) and start scanning.
> On Nov 6, 2014, at 10:42 AM, Joe Quinn  wrote:
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> Accessible barcode readers for iOS? By that I mean you hold something up to 
> the camera and when it finds the barcode it'll tell   what it is? Similar to 
> those Id mate things.
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Re: very very new mac user

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Not all apps are in the iTunes store. Some don't want to bother with the 
whole submission/review process for various reasons, especially the free 
open-source apps.


CB

On 11/5/14, 4:00 PM, Janina Sajka wrote:

This was also James Craig's suggestion to me, when I asked him last
week. However, he did indicate there were still issues.

Also, when I tried to find it on iTunes, I came up empty.

Janina

'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries writes:

Years ago I remember hearing that Colloquy was accessible but I think it
relied on Growl to speak incoming messages. It's an OSX (not terminal) app
and free so might be worth giving it a try.

http://colloquy.info

CB

On 11/5/14, 2:30 PM, Janina Sajka wrote:

Hi, Deedra:

I'm not so sure it's an actual plus, just a reasonable work around when
you need one. But, I've not tried actually working with irssi in the
terminal in real time yet. I just came up with the approach and brewed
it up this past Monday following a disasterous week trying to use the
vms on my air during the annual W3C technical plennary conference.

My intent is to log in during my next few teleconferences and see how it
tracks. I will still have my Linux desktop as my primary IRC session, so
the IRC session on my Air will be a second, expirimental login to the
W3C IRC channel.

I'll be interested to see how well VO keeps up as text scrolls on
screen. I may try to look for something, just to see how effective that
might be. But, come to think of it, I usually depend on Scroll Lock to
freeze the screen when I look for something further back in the
transcript, and I'm not so sure we have that on the Air. Anyone know?

So far, my impression of VO in the Terminal is that it will work, if you
need it to work, but it would never be my first choice. It's no Speakup
for sure.

Janina

Deedra Waters writes:

Janina, that sounds like a plus there. how much of the terminal actually
works with voiceover and how well? I'd still be using a lot of terminal
apps accept for certain things that i want the gui for. so i'd like a
good idea as to what to expect from the terminal  and ways to make it
work the best.


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Re: Bar code scanner

[Jenny Bomareto]

Does this free application also read the Pro active plus products that you get 
from Guthy Rinker for your face?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 6, 2014, at 8:54 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Red Laser is the best I've found, and it's free. Digit Eyes can do the same 
> thing, but I find it far more difficult to get it to see the code. Use Red 
> Laser, be sure to tap the "light" button so the light on your device is on 
> (assuming there is a light) and start scanning.
>> On Nov 6, 2014, at 10:42 AM, Joe Quinn  wrote:
>> 
>> Accessible barcode readers for iOS? By that I mean you hold something up to 
>> the camera and when it finds the barcode it'll tell   what it is? Similar to 
>> those Id mate things.
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Re: very very new mac user

[Janina Sajka]

Aha, and a quick Google search turns up:

http://colloquy.info/

I'll give it a try. Thanks, Chris!

Best,

Janina

'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries writes:
> Not all apps are in the iTunes store. Some don't want to bother with the
> whole submission/review process for various reasons, especially the free
> open-source apps.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 11/5/14, 4:00 PM, Janina Sajka wrote:
> >This was also James Craig's suggestion to me, when I asked him last
> >week. However, he did indicate there were still issues.
> >
> >Also, when I tried to find it on iTunes, I came up empty.
> >
> >Janina
> >
> >'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries writes:
> >>Years ago I remember hearing that Colloquy was accessible but I think it
> >>relied on Growl to speak incoming messages. It's an OSX (not terminal) app
> >>and free so might be worth giving it a try.
> >>
> >>http://colloquy.info
> >>
> >>CB
> >>
> >>On 11/5/14, 2:30 PM, Janina Sajka wrote:
> >>>Hi, Deedra:
> >>>
> >>>I'm not so sure it's an actual plus, just a reasonable work around when
> >>>you need one. But, I've not tried actually working with irssi in the
> >>>terminal in real time yet. I just came up with the approach and brewed
> >>>it up this past Monday following a disasterous week trying to use the
> >>>vms on my air during the annual W3C technical plennary conference.
> >>>
> >>>My intent is to log in during my next few teleconferences and see how it
> >>>tracks. I will still have my Linux desktop as my primary IRC session, so
> >>>the IRC session on my Air will be a second, expirimental login to the
> >>>W3C IRC channel.
> >>>
> >>>I'll be interested to see how well VO keeps up as text scrolls on
> >>>screen. I may try to look for something, just to see how effective that
> >>>might be. But, come to think of it, I usually depend on Scroll Lock to
> >>>freeze the screen when I look for something further back in the
> >>>transcript, and I'm not so sure we have that on the Air. Anyone know?
> >>>
> >>>So far, my impression of VO in the Terminal is that it will work, if you
> >>>need it to work, but it would never be my first choice. It's no Speakup
> >>>for sure.
> >>>
> >>>Janina
> >>>
> >>>Deedra Waters writes:
> Janina, that sounds like a plus there. how much of the terminal actually
> works with voiceover and how well? I'd still be using a lot of terminal
> apps accept for certain things that i want the gui for. so i'd like a
> good idea as to what to expect from the terminal  and ways to make it
> work the best.
> 
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Re: updating to OS 10.10.1

[Matthew Dyer]

Hi all,

If you are using 10.9, and you wait til 10.10.1 is relased  then when you 
upgrade, that is what you will get.  HTH.

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> On Nov 5, 2014, at 10:14 PM, Faisal ali  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> would it be possible for me to update my machine to OS 10.10.1 when it comes 
> out? I don’t want to update to 10.10 then to 10.1 as that whole process will 
> be very time consuming.
> Thanks
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Installing Colloquy [Was: very very new mac user]

[Janina Sajka]

Argh.

So, I downloaded the .zip file from colloquy.info, but there's no
readme, or any other kind of installation instruction. I'm also not
finding any installation instruction on their page.

Looking at the file structure of the exploded .zip, I see the top level
directory is colloquy.app, inside of which is a directory called
Contents, and inside that a few more. These look very similar to what I
see under /Library/"Application Support"/

Do I simply copy this tree to that folder in order to install Colloquy?
Do I leave the .app as part of the directory name, or not? i.e. is it:

/Library/Application Support/colloquy.appor
/Library/Application Support/colloquy

Does it matter?

I know I've done this once or twice before, but don't recall the
specifics, so appreciate any guidance.

tia

Janina

'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries writes:
> Not all apps are in the iTunes store. Some don't want to bother with the
> whole submission/review process for various reasons, especially the free
> open-source apps.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 11/5/14, 4:00 PM, Janina Sajka wrote:
> >This was also James Craig's suggestion to me, when I asked him last
> >week. However, he did indicate there were still issues.
> >
> >Also, when I tried to find it on iTunes, I came up empty.
> >
> >Janina
> >
> >'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries writes:
> >>Years ago I remember hearing that Colloquy was accessible but I think it
> >>relied on Growl to speak incoming messages. It's an OSX (not terminal) app
> >>and free so might be worth giving it a try.
> >>
> >>http://colloquy.info
> >>
> >>CB
> >>
> >>On 11/5/14, 2:30 PM, Janina Sajka wrote:
> >>>Hi, Deedra:
> >>>
> >>>I'm not so sure it's an actual plus, just a reasonable work around when
> >>>you need one. But, I've not tried actually working with irssi in the
> >>>terminal in real time yet. I just came up with the approach and brewed
> >>>it up this past Monday following a disasterous week trying to use the
> >>>vms on my air during the annual W3C technical plennary conference.
> >>>
> >>>My intent is to log in during my next few teleconferences and see how it
> >>>tracks. I will still have my Linux desktop as my primary IRC session, so
> >>>the IRC session on my Air will be a second, expirimental login to the
> >>>W3C IRC channel.
> >>>
> >>>I'll be interested to see how well VO keeps up as text scrolls on
> >>>screen. I may try to look for something, just to see how effective that
> >>>might be. But, come to think of it, I usually depend on Scroll Lock to
> >>>freeze the screen when I look for something further back in the
> >>>transcript, and I'm not so sure we have that on the Air. Anyone know?
> >>>
> >>>So far, my impression of VO in the Terminal is that it will work, if you
> >>>need it to work, but it would never be my first choice. It's no Speakup
> >>>for sure.
> >>>
> >>>Janina
> >>>
> >>>Deedra Waters writes:
> Janina, that sounds like a plus there. how much of the terminal actually
> works with voiceover and how well? I'd still be using a lot of terminal
> apps accept for certain things that i want the gui for. so i'd like a
> good idea as to what to expect from the terminal  and ways to make it
> work the best.
> 
> 
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Burned by Yosemite

[Janina Sajka]

Janina Sajka writes:
> Argh.
> 
> So, I downloaded the .zip file from colloquy.info, but there's no
> readme, or any other kind of installation instruction. I'm also not
> finding any installation instruction on their page.
> 
> Looking at the file structure of the exploded .zip, I see the top level
> directory is colloquy.app, inside of which is a directory called
> Contents, and inside that a few more. These look very similar to what I
> see under /Library/"Application Support"/
> 
> Do I simply copy this tree to that folder in order to install Colloquy?
> Do I leave the .app as part of the directory name, or not? i.e. is it:
> 
> /Library/Application Support/colloquy.appor
> /Library/Application Support/colloquy
> 
> Does it matter?
> 
> I know I've done this once or twice before, but don't recall the
> specifics, so appreciate any guidance.
> 
> tia
> 
> Janina
> 
> 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries writes:
> > Not all apps are in the iTunes store. Some don't want to bother with the
> > whole submission/review process for various reasons, especially the free
> > open-source apps.
> > 
> > CB
> > 
> > On 11/5/14, 4:00 PM, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > >This was also James Craig's suggestion to me, when I asked him last
> > >week. However, he did indicate there were still issues.
> > >
> > >Also, when I tried to find it on iTunes, I came up empty.
> > >
> > >Janina
> > >
> > >'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries writes:
> > >>Years ago I remember hearing that Colloquy was accessible but I think it
> > >>relied on Growl to speak incoming messages. It's an OSX (not terminal) app
> > >>and free so might be worth giving it a try.
> > >>
> > >>http://colloquy.info
> > >>
> > >>CB
> > >>
> > >>On 11/5/14, 2:30 PM, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > >>>Hi, Deedra:
> > >>>
> > >>>I'm not so sure it's an actual plus, just a reasonable work around when
> > >>>you need one. But, I've not tried actually working with irssi in the
> > >>>terminal in real time yet. I just came up with the approach and brewed
> > >>>it up this past Monday following a disasterous week trying to use the
> > >>>vms on my air during the annual W3C technical plennary conference.
> > >>>
> > >>>My intent is to log in during my next few teleconferences and see how it
> > >>>tracks. I will still have my Linux desktop as my primary IRC session, so
> > >>>the IRC session on my Air will be a second, expirimental login to the
> > >>>W3C IRC channel.
> > >>>
> > >>>I'll be interested to see how well VO keeps up as text scrolls on
> > >>>screen. I may try to look for something, just to see how effective that
> > >>>might be. But, come to think of it, I usually depend on Scroll Lock to
> > >>>freeze the screen when I look for something further back in the
> > >>>transcript, and I'm not so sure we have that on the Air. Anyone know?
> > >>>
> > >>>So far, my impression of VO in the Terminal is that it will work, if you
> > >>>need it to work, but it would never be my first choice. It's no Speakup
> > >>>for sure.
> > >>>
> > >>>Janina
> > >>>
> > >>>Deedra Waters writes:
> > Janina, that sounds like a plus there. how much of the terminal actually
> > works with voiceover and how well? I'd still be using a lot of terminal
> > apps accept for certain things that i want the gui for. so i'd like a
> > good idea as to what to expect from the terminal  and ways to make it
> > work the best.
> > 
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Re: Burned by Yosemite

[Alex Hall]

The app doesn't need to be installed, in the usual sense. Copy it to your 
Applications folder (cmd-shift-a), but that's more of a housekeeping thing than 
a requirement. Just launch the app to use it, like any other app on the Mac.
> On Nov 6, 2014, at 1:01 PM, Janina Sajka  wrote:
> 
> Janina Sajka writes:
>> Argh.
>> 
>> So, I downloaded the .zip file from colloquy.info, but there's no
>> readme, or any other kind of installation instruction. I'm also not
>> finding any installation instruction on their page.
>> 
>> Looking at the file structure of the exploded .zip, I see the top level
>> directory is colloquy.app, inside of which is a directory called
>> Contents, and inside that a few more. These look very similar to what I
>> see under /Library/"Application Support"/
>> 
>> Do I simply copy this tree to that folder in order to install Colloquy?
>> Do I leave the .app as part of the directory name, or not? i.e. is it:
>> 
>> /Library/Application Support/colloquy.appor
>> /Library/Application Support/colloquy
>> 
>> Does it matter?
>> 
>> I know I've done this once or twice before, but don't recall the
>> specifics, so appreciate any guidance.
>> 
>> tia
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries writes:
>>> Not all apps are in the iTunes store. Some don't want to bother with the
>>> whole submission/review process for various reasons, especially the free
>>> open-source apps.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 11/5/14, 4:00 PM, Janina Sajka wrote:
 This was also James Craig's suggestion to me, when I asked him last
 week. However, he did indicate there were still issues.
 
 Also, when I tried to find it on iTunes, I came up empty.
 
 Janina
 
 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries writes:
> Years ago I remember hearing that Colloquy was accessible but I think it
> relied on Growl to speak incoming messages. It's an OSX (not terminal) app
> and free so might be worth giving it a try.
> 
> http://colloquy.info
> 
> CB
> 
> On 11/5/14, 2:30 PM, Janina Sajka wrote:
>> Hi, Deedra:
>> 
>> I'm not so sure it's an actual plus, just a reasonable work around when
>> you need one. But, I've not tried actually working with irssi in the
>> terminal in real time yet. I just came up with the approach and brewed
>> it up this past Monday following a disasterous week trying to use the
>> vms on my air during the annual W3C technical plennary conference.
>> 
>> My intent is to log in during my next few teleconferences and see how it
>> tracks. I will still have my Linux desktop as my primary IRC session, so
>> the IRC session on my Air will be a second, expirimental login to the
>> W3C IRC channel.
>> 
>> I'll be interested to see how well VO keeps up as text scrolls on
>> screen. I may try to look for something, just to see how effective that
>> might be. But, come to think of it, I usually depend on Scroll Lock to
>> freeze the screen when I look for something further back in the
>> transcript, and I'm not so sure we have that on the Air. Anyone know?
>> 
>> So far, my impression of VO in the Terminal is that it will work, if you
>> need it to work, but it would never be my first choice. It's no Speakup
>> for sure.
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> Deedra Waters writes:
>>> Janina, that sounds like a plus there. how much of the terminal actually
>>> works with voiceover and how well? I'd still be using a lot of terminal
>>> apps accept for certain things that i want the gui for. so i'd like a
>>> good idea as to what to expect from the terminal  and ways to make it
>>> work the best.
>>> 
>>> 
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Apple Scripts

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi Folks,

I wonder wether it was very complicated to create 2 scripts for the following 
tasks:

1. Route the mouse cursor to VO and perform a click.

2. Play a determined sound and restart or shut down the Mac. This might be for 
2 scripts.

If it was not very complicated would there possibly someone in this list who 
helped me to accomplish this? Or could someone even create these two or three 
scripts and offer them for public usage for free?

Thanks and 
all the best
Jürgen

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Accessible Security System

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi guys:
Do any of you have a home security system that uses an iOS app to arm and 
disarm it?

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Re: Apple Scripts

[Alex Hall]

I don't know about the second one, but I recently made a script similar to the 
first one. I use key commands, since the scripting dictionary for VoiceOver 
doesn't allow the mouse cursor to be moved. Since you can't change VO's default 
commands, though, this should still work.


tell application "System Events"
key code 96 using {control down, option down, command down}
key code 49 using {control down, option down, command down, shift down}
end tell
> On Nov 6, 2014, at 2:21 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
> I wonder wether it was very complicated to create 2 scripts for the following 
> tasks:
> 
> 1. Route the mouse cursor to VO and perform a click.
> 
> 2. Play a determined sound and restart or shut down the Mac. This might be 
> for 2 scripts.
> 
> If it was not very complicated would there possibly someone in this list who 
> helped me to accomplish this? Or could someone even create these two or three 
> scripts and offer them for public usage for free?
> 
> Thanks and 
> all the best
> Jürgen
> 
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Re: Accessible Security System

[Justin Mann]

Hi Sarah,
Yes I do, it's calledIpfob. And it is reasonably accessible, there are a few 
unlabeled buttons, but you can figure that out pretty well. I hope this helps, 
let me know if I can give you any further information.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 6, 2014, at 2:15 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi guys:
> Do any of you have a home security system that uses an iOS app to arm and 
> disarm it?
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Re: Dropbox in Yosemite

[Lisette Wesseling]

Hi Andrew,
Thanks for your excellent description. There is no drop box icon in my menu 
extras, and yes I am using VO arrow keys. There is a drop box folder on my desk 
top but it's just not syncing.
I'll have another go at opening the app or try to update it somehow, though I 
thought I was on the latest version.
Thanks though.
> On 6/11/2014, at 8:03 pm, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Dear Lisette,
> 
> I upgraded to Yosemite a few weeks ago but have not had any trouble with 
> Dropbox.  Please forgive me if I say something you have already tried.
> 
> I’ve just gone to menu extras with ctrl+f8.  Once there, use vo+left and 
> right arrows to move through the menu items.  Otherwise if you just use arrow 
> keys on their own, you won’t find Dropbox item.  So now, using vo+arrow keys, 
> I have found Dropbox icon.  Now you have to bring mouse cursor to vo cursor 
> with vo+command+f5.  And then perform mouse click with vo+shift+spacebar.  
> You will hear something like “application”.  (If you get thrown out of the 
> process here, use windows chooser menu  to find Dropbox application window.)  
> Now I used vo+arrow keys again to move through the window where voiceover 
> reads titles of my files in Dropbox.  The “settings” button or rather 
> clickable area is at the very right of this list.  I clicked on it and heard 
> voiceover say menu.  Now you can arrow up and down that menu and at the 
> bottom you will find “preferences”.  Activate preferences.  If you get thrown 
> out of this process by any chance - which happened to me - use your window 
> chooser facility to find the dropbox window again.  Once in preferences,  you 
> will have a few buttons: General, account, and two to other buttons which I 
> can’t remember now.  You can choose whatever button with the usual 
> vo+spacebar here.  Voiceover will announce that a button is selected but for 
> me I couldn’t actually see the content of the window that I expected to have 
> appeared as a consequence of my selection.  After some experimenting, I 
> realise that in here you have to press your tab button to move into the 
> window to examine its content and make changes.
> 
> I hope this might help.  Sorry if this description is a bit complex but 
> dropbox is not very easy.  By the way, my dropbox version is 2.10.41.  
> 
> Also, if you check your home folder, can you see dropbox folder there?
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Andrew
>> On 6 Nov 2014, at 02:06, Lisette Wesseling  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> Since upgrading to Yosemite, my Dropbox doesn't seem to be sinking with my 
>> Mac. I wanted to check whether I was signed in, but can't find it in the 
>> extras menu anymore. When I try to open the app, I just get busy busy.
>> Where do I go to sign in on my Mac please?
>> 
>> Lisette
>> 
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Re: Dropbox in Yosemite

[Andrew Lamanche]

Dear Lisette,

If you can locate dropbox folder in your home folder, call up its contextual 
menu with vo+shift+m.  One of the options in the menu is to “view in 
dropbox.com”.  When activated, it should take you straight into your account on 
the dropbox page.  I’ve tested it and it took me into my account.  There, if 
you look around under your personal / account options, there’s an “install” 
link.  You may have to reinstall it.

With all best wishes

Andrew
> On 6 Nov 2014, at 20:51, Lisette Wesseling  wrote:
> 
> Hi Andrew,
> Thanks for your excellent description. There is no drop box icon in my menu 
> extras, and yes I am using VO arrow keys. There is a drop box folder on my 
> desk top but it's just not syncing.
> I'll have another go at opening the app or try to update it somehow, though I 
> thought I was on the latest version.
> Thanks though.
>> On 6/11/2014, at 8:03 pm, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Lisette,
>> 
>> I upgraded to Yosemite a few weeks ago but have not had any trouble with 
>> Dropbox.  Please forgive me if I say something you have already tried.
>> 
>> I’ve just gone to menu extras with ctrl+f8.  Once there, use vo+left and 
>> right arrows to move through the menu items.  Otherwise if you just use 
>> arrow keys on their own, you won’t find Dropbox item.  So now, using 
>> vo+arrow keys, I have found Dropbox icon.  Now you have to bring mouse 
>> cursor to vo cursor with vo+command+f5.  And then perform mouse click with 
>> vo+shift+spacebar.  You will hear something like “application”.  (If you get 
>> thrown out of the process here, use windows chooser menu  to find Dropbox 
>> application window.)  Now I used vo+arrow keys again to move through the 
>> window where voiceover reads titles of my files in Dropbox.  The “settings” 
>> button or rather clickable area is at the very right of this list.  I 
>> clicked on it and heard voiceover say menu.  Now you can arrow up and down 
>> that menu and at the bottom you will find “preferences”.  Activate 
>> preferences.  If you get thrown out of this process by any chance - which 
>> happened to me - use your window chooser facility to find the dropbox window 
>> again.  Once in preferences,  you will have a few buttons: General, account, 
>> and two to other buttons which I can’t remember now.  You can choose 
>> whatever button with the usual vo+spacebar here.  Voiceover will announce 
>> that a button is selected but for me I couldn’t actually see the content of 
>> the window that I expected to have appeared as a consequence of my 
>> selection.  After some experimenting, I realise that in here you have to 
>> press your tab button to move into the window to examine its content and 
>> make changes.
>> 
>> I hope this might help.  Sorry if this description is a bit complex but 
>> dropbox is not very easy.  By the way, my dropbox version is 2.10.41.  
>> 
>> Also, if you check your home folder, can you see dropbox folder there?
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Andrew
>>> On 6 Nov 2014, at 02:06, Lisette Wesseling  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> Since upgrading to Yosemite, my Dropbox doesn't seem to be sinking with my 
>>> Mac. I wanted to check whether I was signed in, but can't find it in the 
>>> extras menu anymore. When I try to open the app, I just get busy busy.
>>> Where do I go to sign in on my Mac please?
>>> 
>>> Lisette
>>> 
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Re: Dropbox in Yosemite

[Lisette Wesseling]

Hi Andrew,
Well it just shows you should always go for the tried and true fixes first. I 
just did a restart and now everything is syncing again. Thanks for the tip 
though about going into the dropbox account via the contextual menu. I'll 
remember that for next time.
When in doubt, do a re-start.

Cheers
Lisette

> On 7/11/2014, at 10:19 am, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Dear Lisette,
> 
> If you can locate dropbox folder in your home folder, call up its contextual 
> menu with vo+shift+m.  One of the options in the menu is to “view in 
> dropbox.com”.  When activated, it should take you straight into your account 
> on the dropbox page.  I’ve tested it and it took me into my account.  There, 
> if you look around under your personal / account options, there’s an 
> “install” link.  You may have to reinstall it.
> 
> With all best wishes
> 
> Andrew
>> On 6 Nov 2014, at 20:51, Lisette Wesseling  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Andrew,
>> Thanks for your excellent description. There is no drop box icon in my menu 
>> extras, and yes I am using VO arrow keys. There is a drop box folder on my 
>> desk top but it's just not syncing.
>> I'll have another go at opening the app or try to update it somehow, though 
>> I thought I was on the latest version.
>> Thanks though.
>>> On 6/11/2014, at 8:03 pm, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear Lisette,
>>> 
>>> I upgraded to Yosemite a few weeks ago but have not had any trouble with 
>>> Dropbox.  Please forgive me if I say something you have already tried.
>>> 
>>> I’ve just gone to menu extras with ctrl+f8.  Once there, use vo+left and 
>>> right arrows to move through the menu items.  Otherwise if you just use 
>>> arrow keys on their own, you won’t find Dropbox item.  So now, using 
>>> vo+arrow keys, I have found Dropbox icon.  Now you have to bring mouse 
>>> cursor to vo cursor with vo+command+f5.  And then perform mouse click with 
>>> vo+shift+spacebar.  You will hear something like “application”.  (If you 
>>> get thrown out of the process here, use windows chooser menu  to find 
>>> Dropbox application window.)  Now I used vo+arrow keys again to move 
>>> through the window where voiceover reads titles of my files in Dropbox.  
>>> The “settings” button or rather clickable area is at the very right of this 
>>> list.  I clicked on it and heard voiceover say menu.  Now you can arrow up 
>>> and down that menu and at the bottom you will find “preferences”.  Activate 
>>> preferences.  If you get thrown out of this process by any chance - which 
>>> happened to me - use your window chooser facility to find the dropbox 
>>> window again.  Once in preferences,  you will have a few buttons: General, 
>>> account, and two to other buttons which I can’t remember now.  You can 
>>> choose whatever button with the usual vo+spacebar here.  Voiceover will 
>>> announce that a button is selected but for me I couldn’t actually see the 
>>> content of the window that I expected to have appeared as a consequence of 
>>> my selection.  After some experimenting, I realise that in here you have to 
>>> press your tab button to move into the window to examine its content and 
>>> make changes.
>>> 
>>> I hope this might help.  Sorry if this description is a bit complex but 
>>> dropbox is not very easy.  By the way, my dropbox version is 2.10.41.  
>>> 
>>> Also, if you check your home folder, can you see dropbox folder there?
>>> 
>>> Best wishes
>>> 
>>> Andrew
 On 6 Nov 2014, at 02:06, Lisette Wesseling  
 wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 Since upgrading to Yosemite, my Dropbox doesn't seem to be sinking with my 
 Mac. I wanted to check whether I was signed in, but can't find it in the 
 extras menu anymore. When I try to open the app, I just get busy busy.
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Re: Accessible Security System

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I’m not sure, but I think that alarm.com app works with other alarm companies 
as well, but I don’t have a list of the companies.
Gary

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> Hi, I have a security system from a company called protect America. They have 
> an app called Alarm.com which does disarm and or my system if I choose to use 
> it. If you have any other questions you can feel free to ask me. God bless, 
> Wren Langley
> 
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>> On Nov 6, 2014, at 2:15 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
>> wrote:
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>> Hi guys:
>> Do any of you have a home security system that uses an iOS app to arm and 
>> disarm it?
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Re: Recording FaceTime with Audio Hijack

[Matt Dierckens]

Hi all,
I just recorded a FaceTime call, and haven't experienced this issue that you 
are having. The person on the other end says normal, and VO doesn't bleed in, 
unless you're using speakers.

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> On Nov 6, 2014, at 10:35, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> Same thing happens to me.  When you record Facetime, does the actual person's 
> voice kind of sound like it's recording double?  That's what it does for me. 
> I'm blasted if I can figure it out either.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> Still a very happy Mac and Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ user!
> Sent from my Mac,
> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in and fully 
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>> On Nov 6, 2014, at 8:57 AM, Brandon A. Olivares > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I’m trying to record a conversation in FaceTime. I know it is possible, as 
>> Rogue Amiba said they added the feature.
>> 
>> However for some reason when I do this, it also captures the system sound 
>> output. So, you can hear Voiceover in the recording. Obviously this is quite 
>> undesirable. I just want the FaceTime output, not Voiceover.
>> 
>> I’m using an external microphone, so it shouldn’t be picking up voiceover in 
>> my headphones. The only thing I can think of is perhaps Audio Hijack is 
>> picking up input from both the external mic, and my headphone mic, but that 
>> doesn’t make sense.
>> 
>> In the advanced dialog, I have selected to capture audio inputs, as 
>> otherwise it won’t capture the external microphone.
>> 
>> Any idea why this might be happening? It’s rather urgent I get this figured 
>> out.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Brandon
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Re: Burned by Yosemite

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Sounds like Janina is poking at things through the terminal. Not that 
there is anything wrong with that but from the GUI the .app directory 
appears as one single file even though it has lots of subdirectories 
under the hood. So the easiest thing is to do it from the GUI. Move the 
package from wherever you unzipped it and put it in your Applications 
folder. This is one case where it really is easier to do it outside the 
terminal :)


CB

On 11/6/14, 1:14 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
The app doesn't need to be installed, in the usual sense. Copy it to 
your Applications folder (cmd-shift-a), but that's more of a 
housekeeping thing than a requirement. Just launch the app to use it, 
like any other app on the Mac.
On Nov 6, 2014, at 1:01 PM, Janina Sajka > wrote:


Janina Sajka writes:

Argh.

So, I downloaded the .zip file from colloquy.info, but there's no
readme, or any other kind of installation instruction. I'm also not
finding any installation instruction on their page.

Looking at the file structure of the exploded .zip, I see the top level
directory is colloquy.app, inside of which is a directory called
Contents, and inside that a few more. These look very similar to what I
see under /Library/"Application Support"/

Do I simply copy this tree to that folder in order to install Colloquy?
Do I leave the .app as part of the directory name, or not? i.e. is it:

/Library/Application Support/colloquy.appor
/Library/Application Support/colloquy

Does it matter?

I know I've done this once or twice before, but don't recall the
specifics, so appreciate any guidance.

tia

Janina

'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries writes:
Not all apps are in the iTunes store. Some don't want to bother 
with the
whole submission/review process for various reasons, especially the 
free

open-source apps.

CB

On 11/5/14, 4:00 PM, Janina Sajka wrote:

This was also James Craig's suggestion to me, when I asked him last
week. However, he did indicate there were still issues.

Also, when I tried to find it on iTunes, I came up empty.

Janina

'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries writes:
Years ago I remember hearing that Colloquy was accessible but I 
think it
relied on Growl to speak incoming messages. It's an OSX (not 
terminal) app

and free so might be worth giving it a try.

http://colloquy.info

CB

On 11/5/14, 2:30 PM, Janina Sajka wrote:

Hi, Deedra:

I'm not so sure it's an actual plus, just a reasonable work 
around when

you need one. But, I've not tried actually working with irssi in the
terminal in real time yet. I just came up with the approach and 
brewed
it up this past Monday following a disasterous week trying to 
use the

vms on my air during the annual W3C technical plennary conference.

My intent is to log in during my next few teleconferences and 
see how it
tracks. I will still have my Linux desktop as my primary IRC 
session, so
the IRC session on my Air will be a second, expirimental login 
to the

W3C IRC channel.

I'll be interested to see how well VO keeps up as text scrolls on
screen. I may try to look for something, just to see how 
effective that
might be. But, come to think of it, I usually depend on Scroll 
Lock to

freeze the screen when I look for something further back in the
transcript, and I'm not so sure we have that on the Air. Anyone 
know?


So far, my impression of VO in the Terminal is that it will 
work, if you
need it to work, but it would never be my first choice. It's no 
Speakup

for sure.

Janina

Deedra Waters writes:
Janina, that sounds like a plus there. how much of the terminal 
actually
works with voiceover and how well? I'd still be using a lot of 
terminal
apps accept for certain things that i want the gui for. so i'd 
like a
good idea as to what to expect from the terminal  and ways to 
make it

work the best.


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reading kindle books on the mac?

[Anouk Radix]

Hi everyone,
I know I can read kindle books on ios but i wa s wondering if it is also 
possible on the mac?
thanks in advance for any info,
Greetings, Anouk,

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Re: reading kindle books on the mac?

[David Griffith]

I am afraid  that there are no accessible Kindle apps for the Mac.

Some use calibre from Terminal to convert into an accessible format but I am 
not able to comment on this as I have never tried it

David Griffith
> On 6 Nov 2014, at 22:43, Anouk Radix  wrote:
> 
>   Hi everyone,
> I know I can read kindle books on ios but i wa s wondering if it is also 
> possible on the mac?
> thanks in advance for any info,
> Greetings, Anouk,
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Re: top sites in safari?

[David Griffith]

I have not seen anybody respond to this question so  just in case you have not  
  had a more useful reply I will tel  you what I do.
1. Press command option 1 to toggle view of topSite.
2. Press vo I to bring up item chooser.
3. Press T followed by   and O you will find Top Sites as the first Item 
chooser result and pressing enter will jump there.

David Griffith  .

> On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:24, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> has anyone figured out how to navigate to the top sites section of your 
> bookmarks in the latest Safari?
> 
> I have looked all around in the menus and the tool bar of Safari with no luck 
> so far..
> 
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> Caitlyn
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Re: Burned by Yosemite

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello Chris,

This is a lot easier in the terminal for those who are familiar with bash and 
with a file that is structured as colloquy.zip.

unzip Downloads/MyFile.zip
cp -r Downloads/MyFile /Applications/

Gena

> On 6 Nov 2014, at 22:33, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sounds like Janina is poking at things through the terminal. Not that there 
> is anything wrong with that but from the GUI the .app directory appears as 
> one single file even though it has lots of subdirectories under the hood. So 
> the easiest thing is to do it from the GUI. Move the package from wherever 
> you unzipped it and put it in your Applications folder. This is one case 
> where it really is easier to do it outside the terminal :)
> 
> CB
> 
> On 11/6/14, 1:14 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>> The app doesn't need to be installed, in the usual sense. Copy it to your 
>> Applications folder (cmd-shift-a), but that's more of a housekeeping thing 
>> than a requirement. Just launch the app to use it, like any other app on the 
>> Mac.
>>> On Nov 6, 2014, at 1:01 PM, Janina Sajka >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Janina Sajka writes:
 Argh.
 
 So, I downloaded the .zip file from colloquy.info, but there's no
 readme, or any other kind of installation instruction. I'm also not
 finding any installation instruction on their page.
 
 Looking at the file structure of the exploded .zip, I see the top level
 directory is colloquy.app, inside of which is a directory called
 Contents, and inside that a few more. These look very similar to what I
 see under /Library/"Application Support"/
 
 Do I simply copy this tree to that folder in order to install Colloquy?
 Do I leave the .app as part of the directory name, or not? i.e. is it:
 
 /Library/Application Support/colloquy.appor
 /Library/Application Support/colloquy
 
 Does it matter?
 
 I know I've done this once or twice before, but don't recall the
 specifics, so appreciate any guidance.
 
 tia
 
 Janina
 
 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries writes:
> Not all apps are in the iTunes store. Some don't want to bother with the
> whole submission/review process for various reasons, especially the free
> open-source apps.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 11/5/14, 4:00 PM, Janina Sajka wrote:
>> This was also James Craig's suggestion to me, when I asked him last
>> week. However, he did indicate there were still issues.
>> 
>> Also, when I tried to find it on iTunes, I came up empty.
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries writes:
>>> Years ago I remember hearing that Colloquy was accessible but I think it
>>> relied on Growl to speak incoming messages. It's an OSX (not terminal) 
>>> app
>>> and free so might be worth giving it a try.
>>> 
>>> http://colloquy.info 
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 11/5/14, 2:30 PM, Janina Sajka wrote:
 Hi, Deedra:
 
 I'm not so sure it's an actual plus, just a reasonable work around when
 you need one. But, I've not tried actually working with irssi in the
 terminal in real time yet. I just came up with the approach and brewed
 it up this past Monday following a disasterous week trying to use the
 vms on my air during the annual W3C technical plennary conference.
 
 My intent is to log in during my next few teleconferences and see how 
 it
 tracks. I will still have my Linux desktop as my primary IRC session, 
 so
 the IRC session on my Air will be a second, expirimental login to the
 W3C IRC channel.
 
 I'll be interested to see how well VO keeps up as text scrolls on
 screen. I may try to look for something, just to see how effective that
 might be. But, come to think of it, I usually depend on Scroll Lock to
 freeze the screen when I look for something further back in the
 transcript, and I'm not so sure we have that on the Air. Anyone know?
 
 So far, my impression of VO in the Terminal is that it will work, if 
 you
 need it to work, but it would never be my first choice. It's no Speakup
 for sure.
 
 Janina
 
 Deedra Waters writes:
> Janina, that sounds like a plus there. how much of the terminal 
> actually
> works with voiceover and how well? I'd still be   
>   using a lot of terminal
> apps accept for certain things that i want the gui for. so i'd like a
> good idea as to what to expect from the terminal  and ways to make it
> work the best.
> 
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Re: very very new mac user

[Deedra Waters]

Chris, 

thank you very much, my concern was the scrolling issue but also
announcing what it speak as things go line by line down the screen.


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Re: Burned by Yosemite

[Janina Sajka]

Not sure how this discussion moved under this subject, because "Burned"
was a separate post, and I'd really like to hear whether anyone else has
had similar experiences upgrading to Yosemite.

In any case, Georgina is correct. It's trivial from a CLI, as long as
you know where to put things.

There is one more command, though, namely:

chown -R root:wheel /Applications/Colloquy.app

Janina


Georgina Joyce writes:
> Hello Chris,
> 
> This is a lot easier in the terminal for those who are familiar with bash and 
> with a file that is structured as colloquy.zip.
> 
> unzip Downloads/MyFile.zip
> cp -r Downloads/MyFile /Applications/
> 
> Gena
> 
> > On 6 Nov 2014, at 22:33, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Sounds like Janina is poking at things through the terminal. Not that there 
> > is anything wrong with that but from the GUI the .app directory appears as 
> > one single file even though it has lots of subdirectories under the hood. 
> > So the easiest thing is to do it from the GUI. Move the package from 
> > wherever you unzipped it and put it in your Applications folder. This is 
> > one case where it really is easier to do it outside the terminal :)
> > 
> > CB
> > 
> > On 11/6/14, 1:14 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
> >> The app doesn't need to be installed, in the usual sense. Copy it to your 
> >> Applications folder (cmd-shift-a), but that's more of a housekeeping thing 
> >> than a requirement. Just launch the app to use it, like any other app on 
> >> the Mac.
> >>> On Nov 6, 2014, at 1:01 PM, Janina Sajka  >>> > wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Janina Sajka writes:
>  Argh.
>  
>  So, I downloaded the .zip file from colloquy.info, but there's no
>  readme, or any other kind of installation instruction. I'm also not
>  finding any installation instruction on their page.
>  
>  Looking at the file structure of the exploded .zip, I see the top level
>  directory is colloquy.app, inside of which is a directory called
>  Contents, and inside that a few more. These look very similar to what I
>  see under /Library/"Application Support"/
>  
>  Do I simply copy this tree to that folder in order to install Colloquy?
>  Do I leave the .app as part of the directory name, or not? i.e. is it:
>  
>  /Library/Application Support/colloquy.appor
>  /Library/Application Support/colloquy
>  
>  Does it matter?
>  
>  I know I've done this once or twice before, but don't recall the
>  specifics, so appreciate any guidance.
>  
>  tia
>  
>  Janina
>  
>  'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries writes:
> > Not all apps are in the iTunes store. Some don't want to bother with the
> > whole submission/review process for various reasons, especially the free
> > open-source apps.
> > 
> > CB
> > 
> > On 11/5/14, 4:00 PM, Janina Sajka wrote:
> >> This was also James Craig's suggestion to me, when I asked him last
> >> week. However, he did indicate there were still issues.
> >> 
> >> Also, when I tried to find it on iTunes, I came up empty.
> >> 
> >> Janina
> >> 
> >> 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries writes:
> >>> Years ago I remember hearing that Colloquy was accessible but I think 
> >>> it
> >>> relied on Growl to speak incoming messages. It's an OSX (not 
> >>> terminal) app
> >>> and free so might be worth giving it a try.
> >>> 
> >>> http://colloquy.info 
> >>> 
> >>> CB
> >>> 
> >>> On 11/5/14, 2:30 PM, Janina Sajka wrote:
>  Hi, Deedra:
>  
>  I'm not so sure it's an actual plus, just a reasonable work around 
>  when
>  you need one. But, I've not tried actually working with irssi in the
>  terminal in real time yet. I just came up with the approach and 
>  brewed
>  it up this past Monday following a disasterous week trying to use the
>  vms on my air during the annual W3C technical plennary conference.
>  
>  My intent is to log in during my next few teleconferences and see 
>  how it
>  tracks. I will still have my Linux desktop as my primary IRC 
>  session, so
>  the IRC session on my Air will be a second, expirimental login to the
>  W3C IRC channel.
>  
>  I'll be interested to see how well VO keeps up as text scrolls on
>  screen. I may try to look for something, just to see how effective 
>  that
>  might be. But, come to think of it, I usually depend on Scroll Lock 
>  to
>  freeze the screen when I look for something further back in the
>  transcript, and I'm not so sure we have that on the Air. Anyone know?
>  
>  So far, my impression of VO in the Terminal is that it will work, if 
>  you
>  need it to work, but it

Re: Apple Scripts

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

This should work. 
tell application "VoiceOver"
tell commander to perform command "move mouse pointer to voiceover 
cursor"
end tell

see http://www.cbtbc.org/tools/asvo/voec.php for details.

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Re: Apple Scripts

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Oh, to play a sound there is definitely a way to do this, and the shutdown unix 
command can be used for restarts and shutdowns.


Best wishes,

Jonathan



On Nov 6, 2014, at 2:21 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> 
> I wonder wether it was very complicated to create 2 scripts for the following 
> tasks:
> 
> 1. Route the mouse cursor to VO and perform a click.
> 
> 2. Play a determined sound and restart or shut down the Mac. This might be 
> for 2 scripts.
> 
> If it was not very complicated would there possibly someone in this list who 
> helped me to accomplish this? Or could someone even create these two or three 
> scripts and offer them for public usage for free?
> 
> Thanks and 
> all the best
> Jürgen
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Re: Cookies in Safari

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

There are three options for cookies. Allow, don’t allow third party and 
disallow.

This is currently and I believe for a while has been in the privacy area of the 
Safari settings.
Best of luck,

Best wishes,

Jonathan



On Nov 3, 2014, at 7:45 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:

> Hi all,
> I'm running Lion on my white macbook.
> How do I make sure cookies are enabled in Safari?
> 
> Have a blessed day.
> Stacey and GEB dog Kirk
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
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Moving item to the desktop

[vemak2]

Hi, 
I just bought a Mac book air. How do I place an item like mail or Safari on the 
desktop. Appreciate your kind response. 

Regards, Vemak  

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Re: Moving item to the desktop

[David Griffith]

I am not sure it is a good  idea to use the Desktop, especially as these apps 
are already on your dock for easy  launching. Just press VO D to bring up the 
Dock, press M for mail and then press enter. Similarly for safari press vo   D 
and  then S and press enter again.

Also if you turn on applescripts and commander in VO Utility right option M 
will launch Mail and right option S will launch safari

If you really want to put these apps on the desktop, which is probably a bad 
idea as multiple items on a crowded desktop will  slow the loading  of your .
.. 
> Mac if your desktop  gets too  crowded.

1. Go to desktop with shift VO D.
2. Bring up Applications folder with command shift A.
3. Interact with folder browser and locate Mail. 
4. Press command L to create an alias of Mail.
5. Press Command C to copy the alias file.
6. Bring up Finder Desktop with command shift D.
7. Press command V to paste the Mail alias to the desktop.
David Griffith
   
> On 7 Nov 2014, at 06:11, vemak2  wrote:
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> Hi, 
> I just bought a Mac book air. How do I place an item like mail or Safari on 
> the desktop. Appreciate your kind response. 
>  
> Regards, Vemak  
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Re: Moving item to the desktop

[Christopher Hallsworth]

I wouldn't bother I would just use the Dock with VO-d or Launchpad with 
FN-F4.


On 07/11/2014 06:11, vemak2 wrote:

Hi,
I just bought a Mac book air. How do I place an item like mail or Safari on the 
desktop. Appreciate your kind response.

Regards, Vemak



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