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Re: Stability of the Mac

2014-04-03 Thread mario navarro



oh man, you have absolutely right.
is why apple gives more emphasis on accessibility for ios system.
I myself have understood this a long time.
best for everyone is buying an ios device and have the future in their 
hands.

I'm selling my iMac to buy an iphone 5 S.
exactly because I can do everything and even more than I do on mac.
and I'm sure I'll have a more updated support accessibility on ios than 
the mac.

I have no doubts that I am going on the right track ...
cheers.
Em 02/04/2014 02:12, erik burggraaf escreveu:
I find my mac more stable than pc's although I so seldome use a pc 
these days and the ones I do use are tweaked down so they perform 
really well.


I've been using a mack for 6 years now and have no reason to prefer a 
PC these days.  Having said that, this will be my last ever mac.  When 
it is ready to move on in another couple of years, the personal 
computer itself will be on the longtail and it just won't make any 
sense to invest in another personal computer, mac or PC.  In fact, an 
increasing number of my clients are just as effective on a tablet or 
smart phone as they are on a computer, and it meets all of their day 
to day computing needs very well, including: email, web browsing, web 
applications such as apps and mobile banking, OCR reading, bar code 
identification diabetes and other medical monitoring, non-verbal 
communication, literature access in braille, large print and audio, 
and more.  The world of office tasks has now opened up to us using IOS 
7 and android 4.4.  Several printing solutions are accessible 
including the samsung one that I am currently using.  Simple audio 
production tasks are viable.  And we have access to features that 
aren't really viable on pc's such as security systems management, and 
GPS navigation.  Soon we'll have micro-location support and many other 
opportunities that will encourage us to leave the desktop/laptop world 
behind.  It may behoove you to simply invest more time learning IOS 
and picking up apps and accessories that enrich your experience in the 
mobile world, rather than investing in a switch to an expensive new 
technology that will be obsolete in three years.  We are just now 
stepping inside the time frame where cost vs efficiency of PC systems 
is about to become a serious concern in the consumer market.


Best,

Erik Burggraaf
Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com

On 2014-04-01, at 5:24 PM, Mike Arrigo > wrote:


I find the mac to be very stable, certainly far less problems than 
with windows. It's not perfect, no platform is, but I have 3 macs and 
have no desire to switch back to a PC.

Original message:


Hi Everyone,


As I said previously, I am thinking about getting a Mac and the main 
reason is that I am tired of the increasing instability of the PC 
environment. My first question is, is this really different on a Mac?


I am using JAWS 15 with Windows 8. Both are not all that stable. I 
have been a JAWS user for 17 years and I have noticed a definite 
progressive increase in instability with the last few releases. JAWS 
crashes frequently and, even if it doesn't crash, it often stops 
talking when errors occur with other applications. Then, there's 
Windows 8. I don't mind the Windows 8 interface but several times 
per week, I will have a problem that requires me to restart my 
computer. I did not have that nearly as much with Windows 7. Also, 
it isn't unusual for me to install a program which will, either 
directly or through add ins, make Windows and/or JAWS more unstable. 
I then have to decide rather the additional functionality is worth 
the increased instability. I'm just tired of all the crashes and 
reboots and having to use three or four screen readers because I 
have to run one when another one crashes.


By contrast, my iPhone and iPad, while not perfect, are certainly 
more stable. VoiceOver seldom just stops working. Of course, every 
single app is not accessible and they do not all work correctly but 
any problems with an app are almost always confined only to that 
app. When an app crashes, it usually does not also cause VoiceOver 
or the device to crash. Is this also true of the Mac?


I have certainly used technology enough to know that none of it is 
perfect. However, I would like something that is better than the PC, 
when it comes to stability. Over all, in your experience, is the Mac 
more stable?



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Re: stability of the mac

2014-04-03 Thread David Chittenden

The fact is, learning any computer operating system environment is difficult 
and takes time. Windows only seems easy because it has already been learnt.

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> On 3 Apr 2014, at 5:38, Jean Parker  wrote:
> 
> Hello to the person who is thinking of making the switch to mac:
> I did this about a year ago and here are my thoughts.
> First of all, the reason I switched was similar to that of other people, my 
> PC became inoperable one to many times and it was at a time when I was to 
> have begun an online  teaching assignment.  I came very close to losing my 
> job because getting the PC laptop repaired/replaced and then everything 
> restored took so long.  It was a total disaster!  
> 
> The learning curve was steep for me and it took about two months to return to 
> any semblance of efficiency.  I am sure it is shorter for many people and 
> longer for others.  So, during the transition, it would be helpful to allow 
> for the time and energy it will take to learn the new system and screen 
> reader.  
> 
> There are fantastic resources on this list for getting help.  These include 
> several people who are authorised by Apple to teach the Mac using Voiceover.  
> Keep in mind however, that Apple does not pay for this training and although 
> it is reasonably priced, this is one area where Apple could do better.  I 
> live close to an Apple store and although I had the One to One training the 
> first year I had my Mac, I did not renew it.  I found that the trainers were 
> very knowledgeable about the Mac but not about Voiceover.  I receive far 
> superior information from this list without leaving home.  
> 
> If you live near an Apple store you also have access to something called a 
> Genious Bar.  If you are having some difficulty with your computer, after an 
> upgrade for example, you can take it to them and get it sorted out for free.  
> Apple has phone support which others on this list have much more experience 
> with than I do.  
> 
> In general, working with and maintaining the Mac is a much more streamlined 
> process than a PC.  For example, my disk drive bit the dust the last time I 
> was working in India.  Because I have Apple Care, it was replaced with no 
> charge but I found that the restoration process was a thousand times easier 
> and less time-consuming than it ever was on the PC.  Apple has Time Machine 
> which makes a backup of your disk including data which you use to restore the 
> system.  If you haven't backed up in a while, it even reminds you to do it.  
> 
> So, if you do switch to the Mac, be sure and allow yourself time to integrate 
> the new knowledge systematically.  I for one, would never even consider 
> returning to using a PC.  But if for some reason I had to, I would either use 
> bootcamp or VM Fusion instead of going back to a computer environment which 
> is so unstable and unpredictable.  To me, using a PC became unviable in my 
> work environment so it had to go.  
> 
> The only thing I find more difficult with Mac is using Skype.  On the PC you 
> can use GW Connect which manages voice and text chatting tasks very well.  
> When I called GW Micro to ask them if they would make a Mac version, I 
> thought they were going to hang up on me.  So, that is the only compromise I 
> feel I have made.  
> 
> Good luck with your decision and keep asking us questions.
> Jean
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Numbers on the Mac

2014-04-03 Thread Scott Duck

Hi Everyone,

I gather that word processing is very accessible on the Mac.  How about
spreadsheets?  How well does Numbers work with Voiceover?

Thanks,

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Re: Numbers on the Mac

2014-04-03 Thread Phil Halton

I was a numbers  skeptic for a long time. I've always used Excel, and use it 
still in a windows VM. But I bought numbers two weeks ago and am now in the 
process of transferring my most sophisticated spreadsheets from excel over to 
numbers. In a lot of ways numbers is superior to excel. It certainly works as 
well if not ether than excel for the blind. The accessibility is very good, and 
although a little different from the usual spreadsheet format, ( numbers uses a 
free-form canvas instead of a huge grid of cells that yu create your own tables 
on),  once understood it works perfectly well.

I'm rambling now, suffice it to say from an excel die-hard, numbers is equal to 
excel and even surpasses it in many ways.

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> spreadsheets?  How well does Numbers work with Voiceover?
> Thanks,
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Re: Numbers on the Mac

2014-04-03 Thread Matt Dierckens

Hey Phil.
Have you been able to edit a chart's data with VO in numbers?

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On Apr 3, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:

> I was a numbers  skeptic for a long time. I've always used Excel, and use it 
> still in a windows VM. But I bought numbers two weeks ago and am now in the 
> process of transferring my most sophisticated spreadsheets from excel over to 
> numbers. In a lot of ways numbers is superior to excel. It certainly works as 
> well if not ether than excel for the blind. The accessibility is very good, 
> and although a little different from the usual spreadsheet format, ( numbers 
> uses a free-form canvas instead of a huge grid of cells that yu create your 
> own tables on),  once understood it works perfectly well.
> 
> I'm rambling now, suffice it to say from an excel die-hard, numbers is equal 
> to excel and even surpasses it in many ways.
> 
> On Apr 3, 2014, at 6:00 AM, Scott Duck  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Everyone,
>> I gather that word processing is very accessible on the Mac.  How about 
>> spreadsheets?  How well does Numbers work with Voiceover?
>> Thanks,
>> Scott Duck
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Re: Numbers on the Mac

2014-04-03 Thread Phil Halton

I don't bother with formatting data, and as far as I can tell, charts are just 
a way to visually represent/format data. I did muck around in charts at first 
but found them less than VO friendly so quickly dumped them for table work.
One day I'll take a second look at the other data types like charts and such.
 
On Apr 3, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Matt Dierckens  wrote:

> Hey Phil.
> Have you been able to edit a chart's data with VO in numbers?
> 
> Matt Dierckens
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> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 3, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
>> I was a numbers  skeptic for a long time. I've always used Excel, and use it 
>> still in a windows VM. But I bought numbers two weeks ago and am now in the 
>> process of transferring my most sophisticated spreadsheets from excel over 
>> to numbers. In a lot of ways numbers is superior to excel. It certainly 
>> works as well if not ether than excel for the blind. The accessibility is 
>> very good, and although a little different from the usual spreadsheet 
>> format, ( numbers uses a free-form canvas instead of a huge grid of cells 
>> that yu create your own tables on),  once understood it works perfectly well.
>> 
>> I'm rambling now, suffice it to say from an excel die-hard, numbers is equal 
>> to excel and even surpasses it in many ways.
>> 
>> On Apr 3, 2014, at 6:00 AM, Scott Duck  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> I gather that word processing is very accessible on the Mac.  How about 
>>> spreadsheets?  How well does Numbers work with Voiceover?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Scott Duck
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Re: Numbers on the Mac

2014-04-03 Thread Gabriele Battaglia


From: "Phil Halton" 
[...] In a lot of ways numbers is superior to excel.[...]

GB: Hi.
This sounds very interesting. As I'm thinking to switch myself too, could you 
please give us some examples of those ways?


Thanks.

Gabriel. 


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Re: Numbers on the Mac

2014-04-03 Thread Matt Dierckens

Glad I'm not the only one having trouble with that.
Thanks for the clarification.

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On Apr 3, 2014, at 10:26 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:

> I don't bother with formatting data, and as far as I can tell, charts are 
> just a way to visually represent/format data. I did muck around in charts at 
> first but found them less than VO friendly so quickly dumped them for table 
> work.
> One day I'll take a second look at the other data types like charts and such.
>  
> On Apr 3, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Matt Dierckens  wrote:
> 
>> Hey Phil.
>> Have you been able to edit a chart's data with VO in numbers?
>> 
>> Matt Dierckens
>> Macintosh Trainer
>> Blind Access Training
>> www.blindaccesstraining.com
>> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 3, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>>> I was a numbers  skeptic for a long time. I've always used Excel, and use 
>>> it still in a windows VM. But I bought numbers two weeks ago and am now in 
>>> the process of transferring my most sophisticated spreadsheets from excel 
>>> over to numbers. In a lot of ways numbers is superior to excel. It 
>>> certainly works as well if not ether than excel for the blind. The 
>>> accessibility is very good, and although a little different from the usual 
>>> spreadsheet format, ( numbers uses a free-form canvas instead of a huge 
>>> grid of cells that yu create your own tables on),  once understood it works 
>>> perfectly well.
>>> 
>>> I'm rambling now, suffice it to say from an excel die-hard, numbers is 
>>> equal to excel and even surpasses it in many ways.
>>> 
>>> On Apr 3, 2014, at 6:00 AM, Scott Duck  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Everyone,
 I gather that word processing is very accessible on the Mac.  How about 
 spreadsheets?  How well does Numbers work with Voiceover?
 Thanks,
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Question about CourseSmart and the Mac

2014-04-03 Thread Jamie Pauls

Greetings, list members:

 

I am about to preview a Music Appreciation textbook using CourseSmart. I
started to use that service many years ago and never actually did anything
with it? How well does it work on the Mac and is there anything I need to do
in order to implement accessibility for textbooks? Thanks.

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Re: Question about CourseSmart and the Mac

2014-04-03 Thread isaac

The course smart website is very accessible but I am not sure about the text 
books.
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> in order to implement accessibility for textbooks? Thanks.
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4 Goofy Pranks to Play on Mac Users

2014-04-03 Thread Traci Duncan

This article was from April fools day, but it is a fun read anytime you want to 
mess with someone.  Lol!

http://osxdaily.com/2014/04/01/4-goofy-pranks-for-mac-users/#comments 

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Re: 4 Goofy Pranks to Play on Mac Users

2014-04-03 Thread Red.Falcon

Hi!
The invert colours one has a clash with a hotspot command!
Control+Option+command+8 describes the item at hotspot 8 I set up my own 
command to invert colours that does not clash with the hotspot one!
Colin

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Mac learning curve

2014-04-03 Thread Chris Apple boy

I concur with one poster regarding the statement that once you've learnt 
the mac Os X interface it's pretty much the same throughout. I started 
out with Os X 10.7 Lion, then Os X 10.8 Mountain Lion and am now on Os X 
10.9 Mavericks and the interface hasn't changed a whole lot unlike the 
jump from Windows Xp to Windows Vista to Windows 7 and beyond.

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Re: more on the accounts problem with mac air

2014-04-03 Thread Caitlyn and Maggie

Hi tim,
I went in and used keychain access app to fix things.
I think everything is working fine now.

I agree with you about the log in options.  
Cait

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> Hi,
> 
> There's quite a number of Keychain references in Mavericks and I've seen 
> these sorts of errors before.  The Keychain should usually fix itself when/if 
> you go into the Users & Groups pane of System Preferences and change your 
> password again.  Once fixed, you shouldn't have those sorts of problems 
> anymore.  I wouldn't recommend the direct login, as that leaves your computer 
> and data vulnerable and easily accessed by anon who comes across your 
> computer, either friendly or not.
> 
> Later...
> 
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> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 2, 2014, at 3:55 PM, Caitlyn and Maggie  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Cheryl,
>> 
>> It was an error message.  it said something like, the log in key chain 
>> couldn't be found, then it gave me options to continue anyway with log on, 
>> create a new key chain, and I can't remember what the third option was.  I 
>> chose to create a new keychain, then it let me log on.  However, now, 
>> whenever I try to do anything that requires a password, everything seems to 
>> hang.
>> 
>> thanks for refreshing my memory about the log on options.  I'd forgoten 
>> about the groups within users and groups.
>> 
>> also, now I am getting pop up windows that say that various components are 
>> wanting the local items keychain password, like messages, talent, and 
>> calendar.  Every time I type in my new password, these windows just stay 
>> there, acting like my pass is wrong.
>> 
>> Thanks, a totally confused,
>> Caitlyn
>> 
>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 5:37 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
>> 
>>> Were the keychain messages errors or were they just asking for permission? 
>>> If the latter, you would just do vo-space on "allow or "always allow" or 
>>> whatever is there.
>>> You change your login method in System Preferences in Users and Accounts. 
>>> First you will have to do vo-space on click the lock to make changes and 
>>> you will be asked to enter your password.  
>>>  Then Interact with Users, Groups and Login Options by doing 
>>> ctrl-optionShift-down-arrow and go down to Login Options. Stop interacting 
>>> with ctrl-option-shift-up-arrow and do ctrl-option-right-arrow through the 
>>> window and you will find the automatic login choice. Be sure the option to 
>>> use voiceover in the login window is checked if you need voiceover at 
>>> login.  
>>> 
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 and the meditation of my heart
 be acceptable to You, Lord,
 my rock and my Redeemer.
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 3:53 PM, Caitlyn and Maggie  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Ok.
 
 I tried again to log on with my account on my mac air.  Turns out the caps 
 lock key wasn't engaged.
 
 I did manage to get onto the machine, but got error messages about the 
 keychain password, and different services wanting to use the local items 
 key chain password.
 
 I have no idea what this means.  Also, is there one central place for me 
 to go to reset the entire keychain for the laptop?  Seems like the 
 keychain got mucked up somehow.
 
 I also want to put it back to not use the log on screen, but to boot into 
 my account straight off.  Do I do this in system prefs?  If so, where?  I 
 can't remember where to go for this, had a look, but nothing seemed 
 appropriate.
 
 thanks!
 Caitlyn
 
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Any accessible games for mac?

2014-04-03 Thread Dionipher Presas Herrera

can somebody recommend any accessible gaems for mac preferably mud imud, thanks

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Navigating screen savers

2014-04-03 Thread Robert C

   How does one navigate in the screen savers area of System 
Preferences? I cannot seem to select the saver I want to use. I see the 
list of them, in a cell. Thanks.


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Re: Any accessible games for mac?

2014-04-03 Thread Traci Duncan

All of the rs games are accessible.
http://www.rsgames.org/rsgclient.php


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> can somebody recommend any accessible gaems for mac preferably mud imud, 
> thanks
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iSee - eBook on how to use Apple products from a blind perspective

2014-04-03 Thread Chris Blouch

Just stumbled upon this. Apparently it came out from Vision Australia in 
January.


http://www.visionaustralia.org/living-with-low-vision/learning-to-live-independently/using-technology-and-computers/blog---accessibility-and-assistive-technology-blog/blog/accessibility-blog/2014/01/17/isee-all-you-need-to-know-on-getting-started-with-apple-products-from-a-blind-perspective

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How to adjust "web URL detected"

2014-04-03 Thread Brian Unitt

Hi folks,
When I am reading an e-mail and encounter a web link, a voice like a 
chipmunk says "web URL detected"  I can't find anything in the VoiceOver 
utility that seems to control this. The message itself disrupts the reading 
and I would like to turn it off altogether, but failing that, I would like 
to at least adjust the pitch so it is not so annoying.
Thanks for any help,
Brian

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Re: How to adjust "web URL detected"

2014-04-03 Thread Matt Dierckens

Hi.
There isn't a way to turn this feature off, I wish we had a way of turning off 
pitch change.

Matt Dierckens
Macintosh Trainer
Blind Access Training
www.blindaccesstraining.com
1-877-774-7670 ext. 4




On Apr 3, 2014, at 2:13 PM, Brian Unitt  wrote:

> Hi folks,
> When I am reading an e-mail and encounter a web link, a voice like a chipmunk 
> says "web URL detected"  I can't find anything in the VoiceOver utility that 
> seems to control this. The message itself disrupts the reading and I would 
> like to turn it off altogether, but failing that, I would like to at least 
> adjust the pitch so it is not so annoying.
> Thanks for any help,
> Brian
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Re: How to adjust "web URL detected"

2014-04-03 Thread Josh Gregory

I thought there was in voiceover utility under speech or something. Or 
announcements.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 3, 2014, at 2:23 PM, Matt Dierckens  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> There isn't a way to turn this feature off, I wish we had a way of turning 
> off pitch change.
> 
> Matt Dierckens
> Macintosh Trainer
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> www.blindaccesstraining.com
> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 3, 2014, at 2:13 PM, Brian Unitt  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi folks,
>> When I am reading an e-mail and encounter a web link, a voice like a 
>> chipmunk says "web URL detected"  I can't find anything in the VoiceOver 
>> utility that seems to control this. The message itself disrupts the reading 
>> and I would like to turn it off altogether, but failing that, I would like 
>> to at least adjust the pitch so it is not so annoying.
>> Thanks for any help,
>> Brian
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RE: How to adjust "web URL detected"

2014-04-03 Thread Scott Duck

Hi,

In IOS, in the vo settings, there is a on off switch for pitch change.  Not 
sure if the Mac has something similar.

Thanks,

Scott Duck

 

 

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I thought there was in voiceover utility under speech or something. Or 
announcements.

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 3, 2014, at 2:23 PM, Matt Dierckens  wrote:

Hi.

There isn't a way to turn this feature off, I wish we had a way of turning off 
pitch change.

 

Matt Dierckens

Macintosh Trainer

Blind Access Training

www.blindaccesstraining.com

1-877-774-7670 ext. 4

 

 

 

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Hi folks,

When I am reading an e-mail and encounter a web link, a voice like a chipmunk 
says "web URL detected"  I can't find anything in the VoiceOver utility that 
seems to control this. The message itself disrupts the reading and I would like 
to turn it off altogether, but failing that, I would like to at least adjust 
the pitch so it is not so annoying.

Thanks for any help,

Brian

 

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Re: How to adjust "web URL detected"

2014-04-03 Thread Josh Gregory

No there isn't.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 3, 2014, at 2:57 PM, "Scott Duck"  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> In IOS, in the vo settings, there is a on off switch for pitch change.  Not 
> sure if the Mac has something similar.
> Thanks,
> Scott Duck
>  
>  
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Josh Gregory
> Sent: Thursday, April 3, 2014 1:54 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: How to adjust "web URL detected"
>  
> I thought there was in voiceover utility under speech or something. Or 
> announcements.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 3, 2014, at 2:23 PM, Matt Dierckens  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> There isn't a way to turn this feature off, I wish we had a way of turning 
> off pitch change.
>  
> Matt Dierckens
> Macintosh Trainer
> Blind Access Training
> www.blindaccesstraining.com
> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4
>  
>  
> 
>  
> On Apr 3, 2014, at 2:13 PM, Brian Unitt  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi folks,
> When I am reading an e-mail and encounter a web link, a voice like a chipmunk 
> says "web URL detected"  I can't find anything in the VoiceOver utility that 
> seems to control this. The message itself disrupts the reading and I would 
> like to turn it off altogether, but failing that, I would like to at least 
> adjust the pitch so it is not so annoying.
> Thanks for any help,
> Brian
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Re: How to adjust "web URL detected"

2014-04-03 Thread John Panarese

   I don't know if there is a VoiceOver preference.  I know in Text Edit, there 
is a check box if you go to the Edit menu and look at the substitutions submenu 
to enable or disable them.  However, I am not aware of a system wide option or 
a VO option.
.  

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On Apr 3, 2014, at 2:53 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:

> I thought there was in voiceover utility under speech or something. Or 
> announcements.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 3, 2014, at 2:23 PM, Matt Dierckens  wrote:
> 
>> Hi.
>> There isn't a way to turn this feature off, I wish we had a way of turning 
>> off pitch change.
>> 
>> Matt Dierckens
>> Macintosh Trainer
>> Blind Access Training
>> www.blindaccesstraining.com
>> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 3, 2014, at 2:13 PM, Brian Unitt  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi folks,
>>> When I am reading an e-mail and encounter a web link, a voice like a 
>>> chipmunk says "web URL detected"  I can't find anything in the VoiceOver 
>>> utility that seems to control this. The message itself disrupts the reading 
>>> and I would like to turn it off altogether, but failing that, I would like 
>>> to at least adjust the pitch so it is not so annoying.
>>> Thanks for any help,
>>> Brian
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Re: iSee - eBook on how to use Apple products from a blind perspective

2014-04-03 Thread Jessica

I cannot click the link.

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Re: Any accessible games for mac?

2014-04-03 Thread Dionipher Presas Herrera

any vid mud like programs for mac?
On 03 Apr 2014, at 06:45 pm, Traci Duncan  wrote:

> All of the rs games are accessible.
> http://www.rsgames.org/rsgclient.php
> 
> 
> On Apr 3, 2014, at 9:20 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
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>> can somebody recommend any accessible gaems for mac preferably mud imud, 
>> thanks
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Re: iSee - eBook on how to use Apple products from a blind perspective

2014-04-03 Thread Chris Blouch

Hmmm. What if you copy and paste it? The URL is really long and wraps to
a second line so maybe mail isn't picking up both lines. You can also do
a google search on

visionaustralia isee

and the first result should be the same article.

On 4/3/14 5:02 PM, Jessica wrote:

I cannot click the link.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 3, 2014, at 1:06 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:

Just stumbled upon this. Apparently it came out from Vision Australia in
January.

http://www.visionaustralia.org/living-with-low-vision/learning-to-live-independently/using-technology-and-computers/blog---accessibility-and-assistive-technology-blog/blog/accessibility-blog/2014/01/17/isee-all-you-need-to-know-on-getting-started-with-apple-products-from-a-blind-perspective

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Re: Numbers on the Mac

2014-04-03 Thread Eugenia Firth

Hi there
I use numbers all the time and my business. I use it more than I ever did 
excel. I used to have problems remembering the commands in jaws to set up Excel 
spreadsheets, and that is not the problem is Numbers. Now to be fair, I have 
not tried to set up regents and spreadsheets which I did a few times in jaws, 
and pull my hair out getting it done. I realize that other people probably 
don't have trouble with that, but I gave it up as a bad job.

The reason a lot of people were skeptical about numbers that first is that the 
old version of numbers had some memory problems. However, I think this is been 
fixed in the latest version. I have not had the problems so far that we used to 
have with the old version of numbers.
Sincerely,
Gigi

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> On Apr 3, 2014, at 5:00 AM, Scott Duck  wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> I gather that word processing is very accessible on the Mac.  How about 
> spreadsheets?  How well does Numbers work with Voiceover?
> Thanks,
> Scott Duck
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Re: Any accessible games for mac?

2014-04-03 Thread Devin Prater

No. Just card games, sadly. 

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> On Apr 3, 2014, at 16:26, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
> wrote:
> 
> any vid mud like programs for mac?
>> On 03 Apr 2014, at 06:45 pm, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>> 
>> All of the rs games are accessible.
>> http://www.rsgames.org/rsgclient.php
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 3, 2014, at 9:20 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> can somebody recommend any accessible gaems for mac preferably mud imud, 
>>> thanks
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Re: mac learning curve

2014-04-03 Thread Eugenia Firth

Hi there
Speaking of working out of the box right away, let me give you a short 
explanation of what happened at  my moms house. I was signed  into my mom's 
Internet, and had gotten through setting up a trip back home. I wanted to print 

My boarding pass. My mom was all concerned and said "do you think it's going to 
work question "I just said "well, nine times out of 10 when I plug something 
into my computer, it works the first time."   plug her old printer into my Mac, 
and of course, it worked like a charm. If I had a Windows computer, I would've 
had to go find the driver and install the thing first. For those of you that 
are new out there, you may not know that in most cases when you get ready to 
set up your printer are you going to do is plug the thing it.
Oh yes, this applies to braille displays too.

Sincerely,
Gigi Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 3, 2014, at 1:19 AM, Andrew Head  wrote:
> 
> Learning the mac sure is a big learning curve. Simple tasks you knew how to 
> do under windows suddenly become tricky until you know the correct 
> keystrokes. Ultimately however, once you’ve mastered the basics of what you 
> want to know, you’ll pick up on things much faster and everything will make 
> more sense and it’ll be worth making the switch. I am still a somewhat new 
> user myself having only got my mac last year, but I’m so glad I did. more 
> things just work straight out of the box and some things such as downloading 
> books from audible work straight out of the box, without having to download 
> extra software to accomplish this, and lots of things work out of the box 
> because accessibility itself is straight out of the box. 
> 
> Good luck Hang in there, and enjoy your mac. :) 
> Andrew On 3 Apr 2014, at 4:50 am, Kerri  wrote:
> 
>> hillo, Jean:
>> 
>> I think the learning curve is steep for most people and in this I was 
>> fortunate as I am (unfortunately) unemployed and so could take the time to 
>> learn the Mac. For me the most difficult aspect was knowing how to access 
>> help because this list though helpful, was unable to assist until I learned 
>> how to compose an email. I say this because if I’d known that would have 
>> been the first question I’d have asked. Composing a new email is done with 
>> command plus n once you open the emial client. 
>> 
>>  ***
>> "Thousands of years ago, cats were worshiped as gods. They have never
>> forgotten this."
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 9:38 AM, Jean Parker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello to the person who is thinking of making the switch to mac:
>>> I did this about a year ago and here are my thoughts.
>>> First of all, the reason I switched was similar to that of other people, my 
>>> PC became inoperable one to many times and it was at a time when I was to 
>>> have begun an online  teaching assignment.  I came very close to losing my 
>>> job because getting the PC laptop repaired/replaced and then everything 
>>> restored took so long.  It was a total disaster!  
>>> 
>>> The learning curve was steep for me and it took about two months to return 
>>> to any semblance of efficiency.  I am sure it is shorter for many people 
>>> and longer for others.  So, during the transition, it would be helpful to 
>>> allow for the time and energy it will take to learn the new system and 
>>> screen reader.  
>>> 
>>> There are fantastic resources on this list for getting help.  These include 
>>> several people who are authorised by Apple to teach the Mac using 
>>> Voiceover.  Keep in mind however, that Apple does not pay for this training 
>>> and although it is reasonably priced, this is one area where Apple could do 
>>> better.  I live close to an Apple store and although I had the One to One 
>>> training the first year I had my Mac, I did not renew it.  I found that the 
>>> trainers were very knowledgeable about the Mac but not about Voiceover.  I 
>>> receive far superior information from this list without leaving home.  
>>> 
>>> If you live near an Apple store you also have access to something called a 
>>> Genious Bar.  If you are having some difficulty with your computer, after 
>>> an upgrade for example, you can take it to them and get it sorted out for 
>>> free.  Apple has phone support which others on this list have much more 
>>> experience with than I do.  
>>> 
>>> In general, working with and maintaining the Mac is a much more streamlined 
>>> process than a PC.  For example, my disk drive bit the dust the last time I 
>>> was working in India.  Because I have Apple Care, it was replaced with no 
>>> charge but I found that the restoration process was a thousand times easier 
>>> and less time-consuming than it ever was on the PC.  Apple has Time Machine 
>>> which makes a backup of your disk including data which you use to restore 
>>> the system.  If you haven't backed up in a while, it even reminds you to do 
>>> it.  
>>> 
>>> So, if you do switch to the Mac, be sure and allow yourself time to 
>>> i

Re: mac learning curve

2014-04-03 Thread Devin Prater

Speaking of printers, I have a question which surely must be on-topic for this 
thread. I have a printer, well okay its my sisters's. What I want to do is make 
it so that any device on the network can print to that printer. Is that 
possible? I want that to include iOS devices too. 

Sent from my iPod

> On Apr 3, 2014, at 17:31, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
> Hi there
> Speaking of working out of the box right away, let me give you a short 
> explanation of what happened at  my moms house. I was signed  into my mom's 
> Internet, and had gotten through setting up a trip back home. I wanted to 
> print 
> 
> My boarding pass. My mom was all concerned and said "do you think it's going 
> to work question "I just said "well, nine times out of 10 when I plug 
> something into my computer, it works the first time."   plug her old printer 
> into my Mac, and of course, it worked like a charm. If I had a Windows 
> computer, I would've had to go find the driver and install the thing first. 
> For those of you that are new out there, you may not know that in most cases 
> when you get ready to set up your printer are you going to do is plug the 
> thing it.
> Oh yes, this applies to braille displays too.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Gigi Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 3, 2014, at 1:19 AM, Andrew Head  wrote:
>> 
>> Learning the mac sure is a big learning curve. Simple tasks you knew how to 
>> do under windows suddenly become tricky until you know the correct 
>> keystrokes. Ultimately however, once you’ve mastered the basics of what you 
>> want to know, you’ll pick up on things much faster and everything will make 
>> more sense and it’ll be worth making the switch. I am still a somewhat new 
>> user myself having only got my mac last year, but I’m so glad I did. more 
>> things just work straight out of the box and some things such as downloading 
>> books from audible work straight out of the box, without having to download 
>> extra software to accomplish this, and lots of things work out of the box 
>> because accessibility itself is straight out of the box. 
>> 
>> Good luck Hang in there, and enjoy your mac. :) 
>> Andrew On 3 Apr 2014, at 4:50 am, Kerri  wrote:
>> 
>>> hillo, Jean:
>>> 
>>> I think the learning curve is steep for most people and in this I was 
>>> fortunate as I am (unfortunately) unemployed and so could take the time to 
>>> learn the Mac. For me the most difficult aspect was knowing how to access 
>>> help because this list though helpful, was unable to assist until I learned 
>>> how to compose an email. I say this because if I’d known that would have 
>>> been the first question I’d have asked. Composing a new email is done with 
>>> command plus n once you open the emial client. 
>>> 
>>> ***
>>> "Thousands of years ago, cats were worshiped as gods. They have never
>>> forgotten this."
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 2, 2014, at 9:38 AM, Jean Parker  wrote:

 Hello to the person who is thinking of making the switch to mac:
 I did this about a year ago and here are my thoughts.
 First of all, the reason I switched was similar to that of other people, 
 my PC became inoperable one to many times and it was at a time when I was 
 to have begun an online  teaching assignment.  I came very close to losing 
 my job because getting the PC laptop repaired/replaced and then everything 
 restored took so long.  It was a total disaster!  

 The learning curve was steep for me and it took about two months to return 
 to any semblance of efficiency.  I am sure it is shorter for many people 
 and longer for others.  So, during the transition, it would be helpful to 
 allow for the time and energy it will take to learn the new system and 
 screen reader.  

 There are fantastic resources on this list for getting help.  These 
 include several people who are authorised by Apple to teach the Mac using 
 Voiceover.  Keep in mind however, that Apple does not pay for this 
 training and although it is reasonably priced, this is one area where 
 Apple could do better.  I live close to an Apple store and although I had 
 the One to One training the first year I had my Mac, I did not renew it.  
 I found that the trainers were very knowledgeable about the Mac but not 
 about Voiceover.  I receive far superior information from this list 
 without leaving home.  

 If you live near an Apple store you also have access to something called a 
 Genious Bar.  If you are having some difficulty with your computer, after 
 an upgrade for example, you can take it to them and get it sorted out for 
 free.  Apple has phone support which others on this list have much more 
 experience with than I do.  

 In general, working with and maintaining the Mac is a much more 
 streamlined process than a PC.  For example, my disk drive bit the dust 
 the last time I was working in Indi

Re: How to adjust "web URL detected"

2014-04-03 Thread Josh Gregory

Yeah I don't know maybe I was thinking of something else.

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> On Apr 3, 2014, at 4:48 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>   I don't know if there is a VoiceOver preference.  I know in Text Edit, 
> there is a check box if you go to the Edit menu and look at the substitutions 
> submenu to enable or disable them.  However, I am not aware of a system wide 
> option or a VO option.
> .  
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> 
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX 10.7 LION and 10.8 Mountain 
> Lion
> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 3, 2014, at 2:53 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
>> 
>> I thought there was in voiceover utility under speech or something. Or 
>> announcements.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 3, 2014, at 2:23 PM, Matt Dierckens  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> There isn't a way to turn this feature off, I wish we had a way of turning 
>>> off pitch change.
>>> 
>>> Matt Dierckens
>>> Macintosh Trainer
>>> Blind Access Training
>>> www.blindaccesstraining.com
>>> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 3, 2014, at 2:13 PM, Brian Unitt  wrote:
 
 Hi folks,
 When I am reading an e-mail and encounter a web link, a voice like a 
 chipmunk says "web URL detected"  I can't find anything in the VoiceOver 
 utility that seems to control this. The message itself disrupts the 
 reading and I would like to turn it off altogether, but failing that, I 
 would like to at least adjust the pitch so it is not so annoying.
 Thanks for any help,
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Re: Numbers on the Mac

2014-04-03 Thread Agent086b

Hi,
I would say the only problem I have with Numbers is to find an item. I use 
simple spreadsheets for keeping track of purchases etc. I wish to search for an 
item and move to it. I have tried the search and replace and can find what I am 
looking for but can not move and get in to that sel. For example. I may wish to 
know when I purchased my Mac how much it cost and where I got it from.
I can search for iMac but then can't move to the cel tells me the price or the 
cel that shows the date etc. Somebody on this list has tried to explain how to 
do this but I can't grasp how to do it and it is too much work.
This is the only thing that I have found that is not better than Excel in my 
opinion.
Max

On 4 Apr 2014, at 1:19 am, Phil Halton  wrote:

> I was a numbers  skeptic for a long time. I've always used Excel, and use it 
> still in a windows VM. But I bought numbers two weeks ago and am now in the 
> process of transferring my most sophisticated spreadsheets from excel over to 
> numbers. In a lot of ways numbers is superior to excel. It certainly works as 
> well if not ether than excel for the blind. The accessibility is very good, 
> and although a little different from the usual spreadsheet format, ( numbers 
> uses a free-form canvas instead of a huge grid of cells that yu create your 
> own tables on),  once understood it works perfectly well.
> 
> I'm rambling now, suffice it to say from an excel die-hard, numbers is equal 
> to excel and even surpasses it in many ways.
> 
> On Apr 3, 2014, at 6:00 AM, Scott Duck  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Everyone,
>> I gather that word processing is very accessible on the Mac.  How about 
>> spreadsheets?  How well does Numbers work with Voiceover?
>> Thanks,
>> Scott Duck
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Re: printers was mac learning curve

2014-04-03 Thread alberto

For iOS devices you will either need to download the app that goes along with 
the printer, or see if it is air print capable.
You can if it has wireless capability set it up to work with her router, or 
with an ethernet cable plug it in to the router threw the set up.  For this it 
will work with all devices, but like I said above you will need to download the 
app that will work with your iOS device if there is one.
On Apr 3, 2014, at 4:34 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:

> Speaking of printers, I have a question which surely must be on-topic for 
> this thread. I have a printer, well okay its my sisters's. What I want to do 
> is make it so that any device on the network can print to that printer. Is 
> that possible? I want that to include iOS devices too. 
> 
> Sent from my iPod
> 
> On Apr 3, 2014, at 17:31, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
>> Hi there
>> Speaking of working out of the box right away, let me give you a short 
>> explanation of what happened at  my moms house. I was signed  into my mom's 
>> Internet, and had gotten through setting up a trip back home. I wanted to 
>> print 
>> 
>> My boarding pass. My mom was all concerned and said "do you think it's going 
>> to work question "I just said "well, nine times out of 10 when I plug 
>> something into my computer, it works the first time."   plug her old printer 
>> into my Mac, and of course, it worked like a charm. If I had a Windows 
>> computer, I would've had to go find the driver and install the thing first. 
>> For those of you that are new out there, you may not know that in most cases 
>> when you get ready to set up your printer are you going to do is plug the 
>> thing it.
>> Oh yes, this applies to braille displays too.
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> Gigi Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Apr 3, 2014, at 1:19 AM, Andrew Head  wrote:
>> 
>>> Learning the mac sure is a big learning curve. Simple tasks you knew how to 
>>> do under windows suddenly become tricky until you know the correct 
>>> keystrokes. Ultimately however, once you've mastered the basics of what you 
>>> want to know, you'll pick up on things much faster and everything will make 
>>> more sense and it'll be worth making the switch. I am still a somewhat new 
>>> user myself having only got my mac last year, but I'm so glad I did. more 
>>> things just work straight out of the box and some things such as 
>>> downloading books from audible work straight out of the box, without having 
>>> to download extra software to accomplish this, and lots of things work out 
>>> of the box because accessibility itself is straight out of the box. 
>>> 
>>> Good luck Hang in there, and enjoy your mac. :) 
>>> Andrew On 3 Apr 2014, at 4:50 am, Kerri  wrote:
>>> 
 hillo, Jean:
 
 I think the learning curve is steep for most people and in this I was 
 fortunate as I am (unfortunately) unemployed and so could take the time to 
 learn the Mac. For me the most difficult aspect was knowing how to access 
 help because this list though helpful, was unable to assist until I 
 learned how to compose an email. I say this because if I'd known that 
 would have been the first question I'd have asked. Composing a new email 
 is done with command plus n once you open the emial client. 
 
***
 "Thousands of years ago, cats were worshiped as gods. They have never
 forgotten this."
 
 
 
 
 
 On Apr 2, 2014, at 9:38 AM, Jean Parker  wrote:
 
> Hello to the person who is thinking of making the switch to mac:
> I did this about a year ago and here are my thoughts.
> First of all, the reason I switched was similar to that of other people, 
> my PC became inoperable one to many times and it was at a time when I was 
> to have begun an online  teaching assignment.  I came very close to 
> losing my job because getting the PC laptop repaired/replaced and then 
> everything restored took so long.  It was a total disaster!  
> 
> The learning curve was steep for me and it took about two months to 
> return to any semblance of efficiency.  I am sure it is shorter for many 
> people and longer for others.  So, during the transition, it would be 
> helpful to allow for the time and energy it will take to learn the new 
> system and screen reader.  
> 
> There are fantastic resources on this list for getting help.  These 
> include several people who are authorised by Apple to teach the Mac using 
> Voiceover.  Keep in mind however, that Apple does not pay for this 
> training and although it is reasonably priced, this is one area where 
> Apple could do better.  I live close to an Apple store and although I had 
> the One to One training the first year I had my Mac, I did not renew it.  
> I found that the trainers were very knowledgeable about the Mac but not 
> about Voiceover.  I receive far superior information from this list 
> without leaving ho

Re: printers was mac learning curve

2014-04-03 Thread Devin Prater

Lovely. To my knowledge, its just a simple HP printer. 

Sent from my iPod

> On Apr 3, 2014, at 19:43, alberto  wrote:
> 
> For iOS devices you will either need to download the app that goes along with 
> the printer, or see if it is air print capable.
> You can if it has wireless capability set it up to work with her router, or 
> with an ethernet cable plug it in to the router threw the set up.  For this 
> it will work with all devices, but like I said above you will need to 
> download the app that will work with your iOS device if there is one.
>> On Apr 3, 2014, at 4:34 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> Speaking of printers, I have a question which surely must be on-topic for 
>> this thread. I have a printer, well okay its my sisters's. What I want to do 
>> is make it so that any device on the network can print to that printer. Is 
>> that possible? I want that to include iOS devices too. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPod
>> 
>>> On Apr 3, 2014, at 17:31, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi there
>>> Speaking of working out of the box right away, let me give you a short 
>>> explanation of what happened at  my moms house. I was signed  into my mom's 
>>> Internet, and had gotten through setting up a trip back home. I wanted to 
>>> print 
>>> 
>>> My boarding pass. My mom was all concerned and said "do you think it's 
>>> going to work question "I just said "well, nine times out of 10 when I plug 
>>> something into my computer, it works the first time."   plug her old 
>>> printer into my Mac, and of course, it worked like a charm. If I had a 
>>> Windows computer, I would've had to go find the driver and install the 
>>> thing first. For those of you that are new out there, you may not know that 
>>> in most cases when you get ready to set up your printer are you going to do 
>>> is plug the thing it.
>>> Oh yes, this applies to braille displays too.
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Gigi Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Apr 3, 2014, at 1:19 AM, Andrew Head  wrote:
 
 Learning the mac sure is a big learning curve. Simple tasks you knew how 
 to do under windows suddenly become tricky until you know the correct 
 keystrokes. Ultimately however, once you’ve mastered the basics of what 
 you want to know, you’ll pick up on things much faster and everything will 
 make more sense and it’ll be worth making the switch. I am still a 
 somewhat new user myself having only got my mac last year, but I’m so glad 
 I did. more things just work straight out of the box and some things such 
 as downloading books from audible work straight out of the box, without 
 having to download extra software to accomplish this, and lots of things 
 work out of the box because accessibility itself is straight out of the 
 box. 
 
 Good luck Hang in there, and enjoy your mac. :) 
 Andrew On 3 Apr 2014, at 4:50 am, Kerri  wrote:
 
> hillo, Jean:
> 
> I think the learning curve is steep for most people and in this I was 
> fortunate as I am (unfortunately) unemployed and so could take the time 
> to learn the Mac. For me the most difficult aspect was knowing how to 
> access help because this list though helpful, was unable to assist until 
> I learned how to compose an email. I say this because if I’d known that 
> would have been the first question I’d have asked. Composing a new email 
> is done with command plus n once you open the emial client. 
> 
>   ***
> "Thousands of years ago, cats were worshiped as gods. They have never
> forgotten this."
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 9:38 AM, Jean Parker  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello to the person who is thinking of making the switch to mac:
>> I did this about a year ago and here are my thoughts.
>> First of all, the reason I switched was similar to that of other people, 
>> my PC became inoperable one to many times and it was at a time when I 
>> was to have begun an online  teaching assignment.  I came very close to 
>> losing my job because getting the PC laptop repaired/replaced and then 
>> everything restored took so long.  It was a total disaster!  
>> 
>> The learning curve was steep for me and it took about two months to 
>> return to any semblance of efficiency.  I am sure it is shorter for many 
>> people and longer for others.  So, during the transition, it would be 
>> helpful to allow for the time and energy it will take to learn the new 
>> system and screen reader.  
>> 
>> There are fantastic resources on this list for getting help.  These 
>> include several people who are authorised by Apple to teach the Mac 
>> using Voiceover.  Keep in mind however, that Apple does not pay for this 
>> training and although it is reasonably priced, this is one area where 
>> Apple could do better.  I live close to an Apple store and although I 
>> had the One to One tr

Re: Numbers on the Mac

2014-04-03 Thread Phil Halton

I have found that "filtering", rather than "searching" does a better job for 
me. After setting up a filter and turning it "on", you can move through the 
results in the "scroll area", (not the sheet area), and the table scrolls 
automatically to keep up with your movements in the "scroll area". So, when you 
find what you were looking for in the filter results, uninteract with the 
scroll area, and move to and interact with the table and you'll be positioned 
on that table row where you can do your editing if needed.
Its important to note that in the filter results scroll area, you first 
interact with the text chunk (which is the filter results, but looks like a 
single object to VO), and then you move around through the results with the 
arrow keys and *not* the VO arrow keys.
On Apr 3, 2014, at 7:49 PM, Agent086b  wrote:

> Hi,
> I would say the only problem I have with Numbers is to find an item. I use 
> simple spreadsheets for keeping track of purchases etc. I wish to search for 
> an item and move to it. I have tried the search and replace and can find what 
> I am looking for but can not move and get in to that sel. For example. I may 
> wish to know when I purchased my Mac how much it cost and where I got it from.
> I can search for iMac but then can't move to the cel tells me the price or 
> the cel that shows the date etc. Somebody on this list has tried to explain 
> how to do this but I can't grasp how to do it and it is too much work.
> This is the only thing that I have found that is not better than Excel in my 
> opinion.
> Max
> 
> On 4 Apr 2014, at 1:19 am, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
>> I was a numbers  skeptic for a long time. I've always used Excel, and use it 
>> still in a windows VM. But I bought numbers two weeks ago and am now in the 
>> process of transferring my most sophisticated spreadsheets from excel over 
>> to numbers. In a lot of ways numbers is superior to excel. It certainly 
>> works as well if not ether than excel for the blind. The accessibility is 
>> very good, and although a little different from the usual spreadsheet 
>> format, ( numbers uses a free-form canvas instead of a huge grid of cells 
>> that yu create your own tables on),  once understood it works perfectly well.
>> 
>> I'm rambling now, suffice it to say from an excel die-hard, numbers is equal 
>> to excel and even surpasses it in many ways.
>> 
>> On Apr 3, 2014, at 6:00 AM, Scott Duck  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> I gather that word processing is very accessible on the Mac.  How about 
>>> spreadsheets?  How well does Numbers work with Voiceover?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Scott Duck
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Re: printers was mac learning curve

2014-04-03 Thread alberto . a775

Then just search for hp on the app store after you have set up the printer.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 3, 2014, at 6:47 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> Lovely. To my knowledge, its just a simple HP printer. 
> 
> Sent from my iPod
> 
>> On Apr 3, 2014, at 19:43, alberto  wrote:
>> 
>> For iOS devices you will either need to download the app that goes along 
>> with the printer, or see if it is air print capable.
>> You can if it has wireless capability set it up to work with her router, or 
>> with an ethernet cable plug it in to the router threw the set up.  For this 
>> it will work with all devices, but like I said above you will need to 
>> download the app that will work with your iOS device if there is one.
>>> On Apr 3, 2014, at 4:34 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Speaking of printers, I have a question which surely must be on-topic for 
>>> this thread. I have a printer, well okay its my sisters's. What I want to 
>>> do is make it so that any device on the network can print to that printer. 
>>> Is that possible? I want that to include iOS devices too. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPod
>>> 
 On Apr 3, 2014, at 17:31, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
 
 Hi there
 Speaking of working out of the box right away, let me give you a short 
 explanation of what happened at  my moms house. I was signed  into my 
 mom's Internet, and had gotten through setting up a trip back home. I 
 wanted to print 
 
 My boarding pass. My mom was all concerned and said "do you think it's 
 going to work question "I just said "well, nine times out of 10 when I 
 plug something into my computer, it works the first time."   plug her old 
 printer into my Mac, and of course, it worked like a charm. If I had a 
 Windows computer, I would've had to go find the driver and install the 
 thing first. For those of you that are new out there, you may not know 
 that in most cases when you get ready to set up your printer are you going 
 to do is plug the thing it.
 Oh yes, this applies to braille displays too.
 
 Sincerely,
 Gigi Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Apr 3, 2014, at 1:19 AM, Andrew Head  wrote:
> 
> Learning the mac sure is a big learning curve. Simple tasks you knew how 
> to do under windows suddenly become tricky until you know the correct 
> keystrokes. Ultimately however, once you’ve mastered the basics of what 
> you want to know, you’ll pick up on things much faster and everything 
> will make more sense and it’ll be worth making the switch. I am still a 
> somewhat new user myself having only got my mac last year, but I’m so 
> glad I did. more things just work straight out of the box and some things 
> such as downloading books from audible work straight out of the box, 
> without having to download extra software to accomplish this, and lots of 
> things work out of the box because accessibility itself is straight out 
> of the box. 
> 
> Good luck Hang in there, and enjoy your mac. :) 
> Andrew On 3 Apr 2014, at 4:50 am, Kerri  wrote:
> 
>> hillo, Jean:
>> 
>> I think the learning curve is steep for most people and in this I was 
>> fortunate as I am (unfortunately) unemployed and so could take the time 
>> to learn the Mac. For me the most difficult aspect was knowing how to 
>> access help because this list though helpful, was unable to assist until 
>> I learned how to compose an email. I say this because if I’d known that 
>> would have been the first question I’d have asked. Composing a new email 
>> is done with command plus n once you open the emial client. 
>> 
>>  ***
>> "Thousands of years ago, cats were worshiped as gods. They have never
>> forgotten this."
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 9:38 AM, Jean Parker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello to the person who is thinking of making the switch to mac:
>>> I did this about a year ago and here are my thoughts.
>>> First of all, the reason I switched was similar to that of other 
>>> people, my PC became inoperable one to many times and it was at a time 
>>> when I was to have begun an online  teaching assignment.  I came very 
>>> close to losing my job because getting the PC laptop repaired/replaced 
>>> and then everything restored took so long.  It was a total disaster!  
>>> 
>>> The learning curve was steep for me and it took about two months to 
>>> return to any semblance of efficiency.  I am sure it is shorter for 
>>> many people and longer for others.  So, during the transition, it would 
>>> be helpful to allow for the time and energy it will take to learn the 
>>> new system and screen reader.  
>>> 
>>> There are fantastic resources on this list for getting help.  These 
>>> include several people who are authorised by Apple to teach the Mac 
>>> using V

Re: Any accessible games for mac?

2014-04-03 Thread Jessica Moss

I love those, practicly adicted to them, been looking for a solitare game as 
well, but have yet to find one, but may not be looking in the right place 
either.  I've been trying to find a pinball game as well, and found several 
free ones, but the one I tried to download, I couldn't find a way to get it to 
start and haven't tried any of the others.
  I really wish drakonus would redevelop their's; I miss that one with a 
passion.
On Apr 3, 2014, at 12:45 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:

> All of the rs games are accessible.
> http://www.rsgames.org/rsgclient.php
> 
> 
> On Apr 3, 2014, at 9:20 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
> wrote:
> 
>> can somebody recommend any accessible gaems for mac preferably mud imud, 
>> thanks
>> 
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Re: mac learning curve

2014-04-03 Thread Kerri

You are right, I just plugged this Alva into my computer, turned it on and away 
it went. The only thing I had to do was connect it via blue tooth but I have a 
usb cord for if I wanted it to be usb.

***
The LORD bless thee, and keep thee: The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and 
be gracious unto thee: The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give 
thee peace. -- Numbers 6:24-26

On Apr 3, 2014, at 3:31 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> Hi there
> Speaking of working out of the box right away, let me give you a short 
> explanation of what happened at  my moms house. I was signed  into my mom's 
> Internet, and had gotten through setting up a trip back home. I wanted to 
> print 
> 
> My boarding pass. My mom was all concerned and said "do you think it's going 
> to work question "I just said "well, nine times out of 10 when I plug 
> something into my computer, it works the first time."   plug her old printer 
> into my Mac, and of course, it worked like a charm. If I had a Windows 
> computer, I would've had to go find the driver and install the thing first. 
> For those of you that are new out there, you may not know that in most cases 
> when you get ready to set up your printer are you going to do is plug the 
> thing it.
> Oh yes, this applies to braille displays too.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Gigi Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 3, 2014, at 1:19 AM, Andrew Head  wrote:
> 
>> Learning the mac sure is a big learning curve. Simple tasks you knew how to 
>> do under windows suddenly become tricky until you know the correct 
>> keystrokes. Ultimately however, once you've mastered the basics of what you 
>> want to know, you'll pick up on things much faster and everything will make 
>> more sense and it'll be worth making the switch. I am still a somewhat new 
>> user myself having only got my mac last year, but I'm so glad I did. more 
>> things just work straight out of the box and some things such as downloading 
>> books from audible work straight out of the box, without having to download 
>> extra software to accomplish this, and lots of things work out of the box 
>> because accessibility itself is straight out of the box. 
>> 
>> Good luck Hang in there, and enjoy your mac. :) 
>> Andrew On 3 Apr 2014, at 4:50 am, Kerri  wrote:
>> 
>>> hillo, Jean:
>>> 
>>> I think the learning curve is steep for most people and in this I was 
>>> fortunate as I am (unfortunately) unemployed and so could take the time to 
>>> learn the Mac. For me the most difficult aspect was knowing how to access 
>>> help because this list though helpful, was unable to assist until I learned 
>>> how to compose an email. I say this because if I'd known that would have 
>>> been the first question I'd have asked. Composing a new email is done with 
>>> command plus n once you open the emial client. 
>>> 
>>> ***
>>> "Thousands of years ago, cats were worshiped as gods. They have never
>>> forgotten this."
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 9:38 AM, Jean Parker  wrote:
>>> 
 Hello to the person who is thinking of making the switch to mac:
 I did this about a year ago and here are my thoughts.
 First of all, the reason I switched was similar to that of other people, 
 my PC became inoperable one to many times and it was at a time when I was 
 to have begun an online  teaching assignment.  I came very close to losing 
 my job because getting the PC laptop repaired/replaced and then everything 
 restored took so long.  It was a total disaster!  

 The learning curve was steep for me and it took about two months to return 
 to any semblance of efficiency.  I am sure it is shorter for many people 
 and longer for others.  So, during the transition, it would be helpful to 
 allow for the time and energy it will take to learn the new system and 
 screen reader.  

 There are fantastic resources on this list for getting help.  These 
 include several people who are authorised by Apple to teach the Mac using 
 Voiceover.  Keep in mind however, that Apple does not pay for this 
 training and although it is reasonably priced, this is one area where 
 Apple could do better.  I live close to an Apple store and although I had 
 the One to One training the first year I had my Mac, I did not renew it.  
 I found that the trainers were very knowledgeable about the Mac but not 
 about Voiceover.  I receive far superior information from this list 
 without leaving home.  

 If you live near an Apple store you also have access to something called a 
 Genious Bar.  If you are having some difficulty with your computer, after 
 an upgrade for example, you can take it to them and get it sorted out for 
 free.  Apple has phone support which others on this list have much more 
 experience with than I do.  

 In general, working with and maintaining the Mac is a much more 
 streamlined process than a PC

Re: Any accessible games for mac?

2014-04-03 Thread Josh Gregory

Yeah I have  RS too, I think the developer you mentioned does have a couple 
games up for the Mac.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 3, 2014, at 9:57 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> I love those, practicly adicted to them, been looking for a solitare game as 
> well, but have yet to find one, but may not be looking in the right place 
> either.  I've been trying to find a pinball game as well, and found several 
> free ones, but the one I tried to download, I couldn't find a way to get it 
> to start and haven't tried any of the others.
>  I really wish drakonus would redevelop their's; I miss that one with a 
> passion.
>> On Apr 3, 2014, at 12:45 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>> 
>> All of the rs games are accessible.
>> http://www.rsgames.org/rsgclient.php
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 3, 2014, at 9:20 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> can somebody recommend any accessible gaems for mac preferably mud imud, 
>>> thanks
>>> 
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Re: printers was mac learning curve

2014-04-03 Thread alberto

Well you may be able to get the model name and by doing a google search you can 
determine if it supports wireless connectivity, but if your sister is sighted 
she can tell you right off the bat because it has a button that says wireless 
somewhere on it.
On Apr 3, 2014, at 6:47 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:

> Lovely. To my knowledge, its just a simple HP printer. 
> 
> Sent from my iPod
> 
> On Apr 3, 2014, at 19:43, alberto  wrote:
> 
>> For iOS devices you will either need to download the app that goes along 
>> with the printer, or see if it is air print capable.
>> You can if it has wireless capability set it up to work with her router, or 
>> with an ethernet cable plug it in to the router threw the set up.  For this 
>> it will work with all devices, but like I said above you will need to 
>> download the app that will work with your iOS device if there is one.
>> On Apr 3, 2014, at 4:34 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>>> Speaking of printers, I have a question which surely must be on-topic for 
>>> this thread. I have a printer, well okay its my sisters's. What I want to 
>>> do is make it so that any device on the network can print to that printer. 
>>> Is that possible? I want that to include iOS devices too. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPod
>>> 
>>> On Apr 3, 2014, at 17:31, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi there
 Speaking of working out of the box right away, let me give you a short 
 explanation of what happened at  my moms house. I was signed  into my 
 mom's Internet, and had gotten through setting up a trip back home. I 
 wanted to print 
 
 My boarding pass. My mom was all concerned and said "do you think it's 
 going to work question "I just said "well, nine times out of 10 when I 
 plug something into my computer, it works the first time."   plug her old 
 printer into my Mac, and of course, it worked like a charm. If I had a 
 Windows computer, I would've had to go find the driver and install the 
 thing first. For those of you that are new out there, you may not know 
 that in most cases when you get ready to set up your printer are you going 
 to do is plug the thing it.
 Oh yes, this applies to braille displays too.
 
 Sincerely,
 Gigi Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Apr 3, 2014, at 1:19 AM, Andrew Head  wrote:
 
> Learning the mac sure is a big learning curve. Simple tasks you knew how 
> to do under windows suddenly become tricky until you know the correct 
> keystrokes. Ultimately however, once you've mastered the basics of what 
> you want to know, you'll pick up on things much faster and everything 
> will make more sense and it'll be worth making the switch. I am still a 
> somewhat new user myself having only got my mac last year, but I'm so 
> glad I did. more things just work straight out of the box and some things 
> such as downloading books from audible work straight out of the box, 
> without having to download extra software to accomplish this, and lots of 
> things work out of the box because accessibility itself is straight out 
> of the box. 
> 
> Good luck Hang in there, and enjoy your mac. :) 
> Andrew On 3 Apr 2014, at 4:50 am, Kerri  wrote:
> 
>> hillo, Jean:
>> 
>> I think the learning curve is steep for most people and in this I was 
>> fortunate as I am (unfortunately) unemployed and so could take the time 
>> to learn the Mac. For me the most difficult aspect was knowing how to 
>> access help because this list though helpful, was unable to assist until 
>> I learned how to compose an email. I say this because if I'd known that 
>> would have been the first question I'd have asked. Composing a new email 
>> is done with command plus n once you open the emial client. 
>> 
>>  ***
>> "Thousands of years ago, cats were worshiped as gods. They have never
>> forgotten this."
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 9:38 AM, Jean Parker  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello to the person who is thinking of making the switch to mac:
>>> I did this about a year ago and here are my thoughts.
>>> First of all, the reason I switched was similar to that of other 
>>> people, my PC became inoperable one to many times and it was at a time 
>>> when I was to have begun an online  teaching assignment.  I came very 
>>> close to losing my job because getting the PC laptop repaired/replaced 
>>> and then everything restored took so long.  It was a total disaster!  
>>> 
>>> The learning curve was steep for me and it took about two months to 
>>> return to any semblance of efficiency.  I am sure it is shorter for 
>>> many people and longer for others.  So, during the transition, it would 
>>> be helpful to allow for the time and energy it will take to learn the 
>>> new system and screen reader.  
>>> 
>>> There are fantast

Emergency Contact Info on iPhone Lock screen

2014-04-03 Thread Angus MacKinnon

I was thinking of putting the photo I have with my Guide Dog and I with some 
emergency contact info on the Lock Screen of my iPhone 5S. Do I need a program 
like Gimp GNU Image Manipulation Program? Thank you.

Angus MacKinnon

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Re: Any accessible games for mac?

2014-04-03 Thread Devin Prater

Yes, like silver dollar and such. 

Sent from my iPod

> On Apr 3, 2014, at 21:07, Josh Gregory  wrote:
> 
> Yeah I have  RS too, I think the developer you mentioned does have a couple 
> games up for the Mac.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 3, 2014, at 9:57 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>> I love those, practicly adicted to them, been looking for a solitare game as 
>> well, but have yet to find one, but may not be looking in the right place 
>> either.  I've been trying to find a pinball game as well, and found several 
>> free ones, but the one I tried to download, I couldn't find a way to get it 
>> to start and haven't tried any of the others.
>> I really wish drakonus would redevelop their's; I miss that one with a 
>> passion.
>>> On Apr 3, 2014, at 12:45 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> All of the rs games are accessible.
>>> http://www.rsgames.org/rsgclient.php
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 3, 2014, at 9:20 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
 wrote:
 
 can somebody recommend any accessible gaems for mac preferably mud imud, 
 thanks
 
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Re: Any accessible games for mac?

2014-04-03 Thread Andrew Head

Any games of the fantasy genre for the mac?
On 4 Apr 2014, at 2:16 pm, Devin Prater  wrote:

> Yes, like silver dollar and such. 
> 
> Sent from my iPod
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>> On Apr 3, 2014, at 21:07, Josh Gregory  wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah I have  RS too, I think the developer you mentioned does have a couple 
>> games up for the Mac.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Apr 3, 2014, at 9:57 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I love those, practicly adicted to them, been looking for a solitare game 
>>> as well, but have yet to find one, but may not be looking in the right 
>>> place either.  I've been trying to find a pinball game as well, and found 
>>> several free ones, but the one I tried to download, I couldn't find a way 
>>> to get it to start and haven't tried any of the others.
>>> I really wish drakonus would redevelop their's; I miss that one with a 
>>> passion.
 On Apr 3, 2014, at 12:45 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
 
 All of the rs games are accessible.
 http://www.rsgames.org/rsgclient.php
 
 
> On Apr 3, 2014, at 9:20 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
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> can somebody recommend any accessible gaems for mac preferably mud imud, 
> thanks
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