Re: very strange, annoying and frustrating audio issue
It sounds like you might have one or more tiny particles of dust in the connection point in the headphone jack. Compressed air should clear it out. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone > On 19 Dec 2013, at 17:46, "John D. Lipsey" wrote: > > Hi guys: > > This just started today, and it's most frustrating!! I'm going to make a > genius bar appointment Saturday, but if anyone has a fix before then I'll > gladly take it! > > I noticed, starting this afternoon for seemingly no reason, strange audio > artifacts popping up in my headphones. This only happens when using > headphones, any headphones, in my headphone jack. I don't see the issue > through speakers in the MacBook or in USB headsets. A restart hasn't help > the issue. While I don't mind using USB headsets, I like to keep my options > as open as possible. > > It's hard to explain exactly what these artifacts are, but I notice them most > of all when there are system sounds, the voiceover clicks, etc. They don't > seem to appear during actual voiceover speech if that's all there is to hear. > They're strange hissing noises, some of which remind me of badly tuned radios. > > Thanks in advance for any help/suggestions. > > Cheers! > > -John > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: a word in defense of the Apple accessibility team
Hi Eric, you got me a little confused, surely if you walk down too your local library you can take a book home OCR it and read it? Am not sure about the copyright laws in the us, but i know that in Denmark, i can go down, get a normal book, take it home scan it , read it and have the exactly same access too the information, as any other person. Eric oyen Wrote: " THe purpose of a library is the same as its always been: the free sharing of information. We the blind have as much right to access to this information that the sighted take for granted, yet the onerousness of copyright laws makes this extremely difficult. This situation is not improving (as evidenced by recent actions against both Apple and Google for their books online). Again, we get left out of consideration when such actions are taken." Eric, i am confused as stated before, are you talking about usual books[that is what i use mostly for my nursing education] my absolutely only problem is that i have too scan them, that is a bitch. a few words about ebooks. As far as i know there have always been some sort of problems with ebooks, it can of course have been changed, am not sure. I have found out for me at least the fastest way simply is go get my mane dirty , and scan it and read it and move on, it is frustrating, yes but it is workable. Kare, agree. You do as a matter fact have sighted persons who do use some sort of voiceover. Some of us have even taken it so far as too wire a mac mini into our car, listening too the mac whilst we drive. Is it fair that blind persons can't have the same access too the information as sighted? Of course not, but changes takes time. I have felt that on my own body when i started my nursing education, cause i am so eye limited that i am only exactly qualifying. I could have bitched and whined about it ,but i am believing that constructive dialog will get me further. The last 3 years have definitely been frustrating sometimes, cause i have too work really hard too get where i want. But 1 year to go and my mac have served its right as my number one computer on my desc. I think we sometimes have too remember if you are handicapped somethings is harder, some things can't be done, but after all since we are talking about information, the most can get too it if they are willing too hop a little around. best Sandi On 12/18/13, Karen Lewellen wrote: > oh but of course. > After all compare the number of apple screen readers there have been what > two? three at most? outspoken which did the job fantastically with > apple's input, , still can > with the right equipment, then voiceover. because apple understood the > importance of including speech for many populations. > what always blows my mind though is the assumption that voiceover exists > solely for , and benefits only individuals experiencing sight loss.The > very idea is a limitation in and of itself. > The broader the understanding that there can be more people and more > definitions of successful interaction then the one you are > personally using, the easier > it is to draw others on board for inclusion. > just my two cents having only read Tim's comments and not the rest of the > thread. > Kare > > On Wed, 18 Dec 2013, Tim Kilburn wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Well said David. While I understand people’s frustration and totally >> despise discrimination, I’m not sure that I fully agree with some of the >> opinions/comments shared prior to that. >> >> I’ll chime in here to express just a few points. Way back when OS X first >> came out, I recall going down to the city to do some training with Apple >> and I commented on the lack of a screen reader within the new OS. I had >> been using OutSpoken for Mac in OS 6 through 9 and was interested in >> continuing to use the Mac as it evolved. In normal Apple fashion, no real >> concrete things were said but it certainly was hinted that they were >> working on something of their own instead of having an outside vender >> developing such an animal. My point is here that I don’t believe that it >> was the noise made by the blind community that got Apple on the screen >> reader and accessibility wagon, I’m pretty sure that it was in the cards >> for quite a while. I certainly know that magnification and other >> accessibility features were built right in to the MacOS back in the late >> 80s,. I don’t believe for a minute that accessibility is not a priority. >> >> The old saying that you attract more flies to honey than you do to crap >> comes to mind. Constructive dialog and collaboration usually get better >> results than ranting and raving. Expressing frustration and asserting >> yourself and your rights are fine, but speculation and exaggeration seldom >> result in positive productivity. >> >> Later… >> >> Tim Kilburn >> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >> >> On Dec 18, 2013, at 1:33 PM, David Chittenden >> wrote: >> >>> Wow, such interesting arguments. When eBook readers do not have built-in >>> speakers
Two New Weird Problems in Mountain Lion
All of the sudden the last few days I got two weird new issues. iTunes just opens in the background. I have no clue why this is happening. The other when I put my computer to sleep in Mountain Lion on an iMac 2010 with command option F12 or whatever the key is right after the F12 key my computer a minute or two awakes. I have been putting my computer to sleep like this for years. I now have to mute VO and just leave it on all night. Any clue to what could be happening here? Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: a word in defense of the Apple accessibility team
To be specific, Apple worked with Berkeley Systems, the developer of OutSpoken for Mac before Berkeley Systems went out of business. Apple then approached HumanWare (if memory serves), to continue advising with OutSpoken because that company purchased the rights. However, HumanWare only wanted the Windows side of OutSpoken, so they let the Mac side parish. One or two years later, they decided to let OutSpoken for Windows end as well. At this point, Apple approached Freedom Scientific about developing the OSX Screen Reader. FS was not interested, so the person who Apple was speaking with advised Apple to develop their screen reader in-house. He discusses this in his blog. This was in 2003. Two years later, OSX Tiger was released with the first iteration of VoiceOver built-in. Considering that VO for iPhone came out with the 3GS, which happened to be two years after the original iPhone was released, and in this case, Apple specifically stated that only the 3GS was powerful enough to run VO, and that they were waiting until the iPhone with enough power was available, This definitely bolsters the argument that Apple has specific focus on accessibility. Also, consider that Apple placed VO into Apple TV, and iOS accessibility now has switch control, and switch control using the front camera to watch for head movements to activate switch and scanning (not the same as OCR). It is obvious that Apple has considerable focus on multiple disabilities, not just blindness. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone > On 19 Dec 2013, at 16:21, Tim Kilburn wrote: > > Hi, > > Well said David. While I understand people’s frustration and totally despise > discrimination, I’m not sure that I fully agree with some of the > opinions/comments shared prior to that. > > I’ll chime in here to express just a few points. Way back when OS X first > came out, I recall going down to the city to do some training with Apple and > I commented on the lack of a screen reader within the new OS. I had been > using OutSpoken for Mac in OS 6 through 9 and was interested in continuing to > use the Mac as it evolved. In normal Apple fashion, no real concrete things > were said but it certainly was hinted that they were working on something of > their own instead of having an outside vender developing such an animal. My > point is here that I don’t believe that it was the noise made by the blind > community that got Apple on the screen reader and accessibility wagon, I’m > pretty sure that it was in the cards for quite a while. I certainly know > that magnification and other accessibility features were built right in to > the MacOS back in the late 80s,. I don’t believe for a minute that > accessibility is not a priority. > > The old saying that you attract more flies to honey than you do to crap comes > to mind. Constructive dialog and collaboration usually get better results > than ranting and raving. Expressing frustration and asserting yourself and > your rights are fine, but speculation and exaggeration seldom result in > positive productivity. > > Later… > > Tim Kilburn > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > >> On Dec 18, 2013, at 1:33 PM, David Chittenden wrote: >> >> Wow, such interesting arguments. When eBook readers do not have built-in >> speakers, speech output is impossible. When the page of the book is a >> picture of the page, a scanned image, speaking that page is impossible. When >> the law is written such that the copyright holder has more rights around who >> can and cannot access the book than the potential reader has, accessing the >> book may not be legally possible. >> >> If you want to just flail around ineffectually making lots of noise but not >> necessarily getting very far, your stated approach can have limited success. >> However, would it not be better to learn the specifics in any particular >> situation so you can actually become effective? For instance, the author's >> guild is focused on keeping the copyrights law strong since writing and >> controlling who and how the book is read specifically effects the author's >> income. Authors do not earn any money for books which are checked out of >> libraries. However, people who really like books they read in libraries have >> a greater chance of purchasing their own copy. The argument against >> text-to-speech in all eReaders has actually been, if text to speech is used, >> people will not purchase the recorded versions of books, and the recorded >> versions are much more profitable. This is why NLS is so strict about who >> can access their professional recordings. >> >> When software is being designed, adding text-to-speech is significantly less >> difficult than adding TTS access at a later date. The same is true for >> wheelchair access to buildings. >> >> Depending on how the code is written, adding TTS and screen-reader >> navigation
Re: a word in defense of the Apple accessibility team
Another comment about NVDA. NVDA is fully developed by volunteers. The reason it is free is because the people working on it are not being paid. Even then, it has almost gone under a few times already. Because it is completely reliant on donations, and because the people who benefit from it represent less than 0.5% of the market, and because a significant portion of these people are taking advantage of the developers' generosity without providing any donations in recompense (as easily proven by the fact that it has almost folded a few times already, I would not expect it to be around forever. The model is not very sustainable. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone > On 19 Dec 2013, at 15:26, "Littlefield, Tyler" wrote: > > I have two points here. > > Firstly, OCR is a very CPU and memory consuming process. If you expect to get > this on an an EReader, you're totally 100% insane. There are OCR engines out > there, but the question of licensing comes to mind, which is actually > something I forgot to mention on my last post with screen readers. You need > to license (or put in the amount of money it would take to research and > develop a synth), which is a pretty big issue. There's ESpeak, but that > license may not work for some proprietary software. > > Finally, I'm not sure what issues you have with windows or why you trash > them, but the standards you point out are actually followed. Microsoft has > developed quite a few standards, usually to improve accessibility that screen > readers are expected to adopt and have made them accessible for screen > readers, which was the actual purpose behind them. It was for all intents and > purposes the same idea Apple had with their adoption of Cocoa, with the minor > fact that Apple can just adjust as much as they need for Voiceover while > Microsoft needs to provide an API that can be accessed. As for Linux, there > does not currently exist an API like MSAA or UIAA that can be used for screen > readers. Each window manager has their own (at-spi, etc). So no, writing > screen readers is not at all trivial. > > you also mentioned NVDA, which brings up another issue. They have done a > great job at it, but they have also been working on this project for years > and have the ability to use open-source projects and libraries they can tie > into. They do this quite well, but it is yet another issue proprietary > software would have to contend with--if no suitable licensed libraries are > available to perform a specific task, some reinvention of the wheel will have > to take place. >> On 12/18/2013 8:37 PM, eric oyen wrote: >> I can see the problems I have raised. However, the E-book readers actually >> do have an audio port (how else are you going to hear other multimedia >> content). THe authors guild doesn't necessarily represent all authors (in >> fact, a lot of them are actually starting to publish via amazon and others). >> If you look at their actions over the last 20 years, you will see that they >> have actually acted to defend major publishers. >> >> Now, the issue of scanned images containing text can be worked around >> effectively (there are several inexpensive OCR apps for windows or OS X that >> work well). >> >> THe purpose of a library is the same as its always been: the free sharing of >> information. We the blind have as much right to access to this information >> that the sighted take for granted, yet the onerousness of copyright laws >> makes this extremely difficult. This situation is not improving (as >> evidenced by recent actions against both Apple and Google for their books >> online). Again, we get left out of consideration when such actions are taken. >> >> Now, complaining does work, if done correctly and to the right people. If >> the vendor doesn't want to listen, one can always spend money elsewhere. >> THere is also legal action (I would use this as a last resort when all other >> negotiations fail). As for voting with your wallet, this only works when >> there is enough people doing the same thing. This also only works if there >> is more than one vendor offering that product with those features desired. >> One other way that also works is to be able to produce a competing product >> cheaper (NVDA is an example of this).If its as good or better, people will >> flock to it, thus forcing the higher priced vendor to improve their product >> or lower the price. This is simple economics 101. >> >> As for adding accessibility to an OS, the API's have already been developed >> for Linux and OS X. Windows has one as well, but it (like the rest of the >> OS) is practically a joke. THe problem here is that MS doesn't stick to >> their own standards, so you end up with different versions of the OS not >> being able to do some specific things. These days, coding in accessibility >> to an app is pretty much a trivial aff
Re: a word in defense of the Apple accessibility team
Back at the turn of the century, I went to the Consumer Electronics Show, CES, every year, searching for general market products which could be used, or easily modified to be used, by the blind. I had been a distributor for AT for a few years, and I became frustrated at the lack of vision of the AT developers. During my first year at CES, I had a very painful and rude awakening. No general market tech company wanted to have anything to do with making their products accessible. As several told me, We are not a charity. We are in business to make money. So, I started working on changing my approach. I found that smaller start-ups tended to be much more responsive, especially when I focused on how certain features could make products more universally usable. That was where I learned that the majority of sighted people do not necessarily want sound cues unless the sounds are subtle and pleasing to the ear, and they definitely do not want talking products except in very limited and controlled ways. Yes, we all know some sighted people who believe the talking products are so very cool, and they go so far as to acquire their own talking devices. This is very much the exception rather than the rule. Until people can have human-like conversational interactions with their technology, they do not want speech very much at all. And yes, we are such a tiny minority market that we are easily, and often, overlooked. Including people who read large print, we are about one out of every 200 people. At the level of just light perception or worse, we are just one out of 1000 people. How many of us know 199 other people? Well, if that is a random group, each of us is the only legally blind person in the group. How many of us know 1000 people? If you are totally blind, you are the only one in that group of 1000 people. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone > On 19 Dec 2013, at 14:37, eric oyen wrote: > > I can see the problems I have raised. However, the E-book readers actually do > have an audio port (how else are you going to hear other multimedia content). > THe authors guild doesn't necessarily represent all authors (in fact, a lot > of them are actually starting to publish via amazon and others). If you look > at their actions over the last 20 years, you will see that they have actually > acted to defend major publishers. > > Now, the issue of scanned images containing text can be worked around > effectively (there are several inexpensive OCR apps for windows or OS X that > work well). > > THe purpose of a library is the same as its always been: the free sharing of > information. We the blind have as much right to access to this information > that the sighted take for granted, yet the onerousness of copyright laws > makes this extremely difficult. This situation is not improving (as evidenced > by recent actions against both Apple and Google for their books online). > Again, we get left out of consideration when such actions are taken. > > Now, complaining does work, if done correctly and to the right people. If the > vendor doesn't want to listen, one can always spend money elsewhere. THere is > also legal action (I would use this as a last resort when all other > negotiations fail). As for voting with your wallet, this only works when > there is enough people doing the same thing. This also only works if there is > more than one vendor offering that product with those features desired. One > other way that also works is to be able to produce a competing product > cheaper (NVDA is an example of this).If its as good or better, people will > flock to it, thus forcing the higher priced vendor to improve their product > or lower the price. This is simple economics 101. > > As for adding accessibility to an OS, the API's have already been developed > for Linux and OS X. Windows has one as well, but it (like the rest of the OS) > is practically a joke. THe problem here is that MS doesn't stick to their own > standards, so you end up with different versions of the OS not being able to > do some specific things. These days, coding in accessibility to an app is > pretty much a trivial affair if the proper API is followed Developers don't > have to go reinventing the wheel when it comes to TTS. > Again, we need to go back to the original point here. Should we, as blind > people, suffer in silence as we get second or third class treatment? Being > treated as less than human is demeaning and insulting. It may make me look > like an ass, but there are times when furious anger will get the point across > (I just wouldn't use it except as a last resort). It is incredibly hard not > to fly off the handle when someone insults me. > > Anyway, I think I have ranted enough. > > -eric > >> On Dec 18, 2013, at 1:33 PM, David Chittenden wrote: >> >> Wow, such interesting arguments. When eBook readers do not have bu
Itunes output
Hi all: On mavericks, how can I change the output for itunes? I need my output to be through my Mackie sound card instead of the internal one. Thanks in advance. Ramy moustafa saber Musicc instructor at: faculty of musical education music arranger and sound engineer Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Updates
Hi all: After I updated to mavericks, I can’t get any apps from the app store, here is what I do exactly: I enter the app store, I find the search, and I type my app, let’s say dropbox, I hit the enter key, but I can’t find any results, I’m connected to the internet. And I can do updates to my applications. What can I do please? Thanks Ramy moustafa saber Musicc instructor at: faculty of musical education music arranger and sound engineer Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Itunes output
I know of no way in which this can be done. Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in! Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! On Dec 19, 2013, at 6:36 AM, ramy moustafa wrote: > Hi all: > > On mavericks, how can I change the output for itunes? I need my output to be > through my Mackie sound card instead of the internal one. > > Thanks in advance. > > > Ramy moustafa saber > Musicc instructor at: > faculty of musical education > music arranger and sound engineer > Sent from my iPhone > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Two New Weird Problems in Mountain Lion
Hi Brian, The key beside the f12 is the Eject key. Check in the Energy Saver System Pref pane, in the Power Adaptor tab, make sure the “Wake for Network Access” is not checked. This normally isn’t supposed to affect your machine if it is not plugged in but it could be a bug. Alternatively, if you have one of the newer units that can “Power Nap”, it could be waking for some backing up or syncing process that can occur during it’s nap. Later… Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Dec 19, 2013, at 1:39 AM, Brian Fischler wrote: > All of the sudden the last few days I got two weird new issues. iTunes just > opens in the background. I have no clue why this is happening. > > The other when I put my computer to sleep in Mountain Lion on an iMac 2010 > with command option F12 or whatever the key is right after the F12 key my > computer a minute or two awakes. I have been putting my computer to sleep > like this for years. I now have to mute VO and just leave it on all night. > Any clue to what could be happening here? Thanks. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
mail weirdness
Hi, I have my mail set to down load manually. However, it’s still downloading automactilly. Any ideas? I’m using a pop gmail account. I just set up my brand new mac book air today. that shouldn’t matter, though, right? Thanks, Caitlyn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
YoruFukurou short cut keys
Hello: Can someone please tell me how to open a link on YoruFukurou. Also, how to retweet? Thanks Patricia -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: YoruFukurou short cut keys
It is all in the menus. Better still, you can open Preferences (cmd-comma) and customize the shortcuts to whatever you want. Links are activated with L by default, and I don't remember the retweet command because I changed it. As I said, though, the commands are all in the menus. On Dec 19, 2013, at 11:58 AM, Patricia Solis wrote: > Hello: Can someone please tell me how to open a link on YoruFukurou. Also, > how to retweet? > > Thanks Patricia > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Itunes output
Have you tried system preferences, hardware, sound, sound output, chose a sound output device: ? Take care -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Itunes output
SoundFlower used to do this, but not sure if it's supported under Mavericks. You could set the system output to your Mackie device and set Voiceover back to the internal sound card. You may also have success by playing back using VLC. Kevin On 2013-12-19, at 1:34 PM, Terje Strømberg wrote: > Have you tried system preferences, hardware, sound, sound output, chose a > sound output device: ? > > Take care > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Importing a CSV Address Book into Alpine in terminal?
Hi, all, I got an app in the app store to convert my Mail contacts into a cSV file. I then put it in my home directory. when I specify it as an alternate address book in Alpine, I get an error message that permission is denied and the file is unreadable. Where can I go from here? Thanks, teresa Sent using Alpine messaging system in Mac OS X Terminal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: a word in defense of the Apple accessibility team
I can do just that, but the inconvenience of doing so vastly outweighs the benefits. Also, there are restrictions in US copyright law that specifically prohibits this kind of activity (and there doesn't appear to be a listed set of exceptions) for the individual. Also, there is the time involved to scan, proof read and correct. That kind of takes the joy out of reading. -eric On Dec 19, 2013, at 1:31 AM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote: > Hi Eric, you got me a little confused, surely if you walk down too > your local library you can take a book home OCR it and read it? > Am not sure about the copyright laws in the us, but i know that in > Denmark, i can go down, get a normal book, take it home scan it , read > it and have the exactly same access too the information, as any other > person. > > Eric oyen Wrote: > " THe purpose of a library is the same as its always been: the free > sharing of information. We the blind have as much right to access to > this information that the sighted take for granted, yet the > onerousness of copyright laws makes this extremely difficult. This > situation is not improving (as evidenced by recent actions against > both Apple and Google for their books online). Again, we get left out > of consideration when such actions are taken." > Eric, i am confused as stated before, are you talking about usual > books[that is what i use mostly for my nursing education] my > absolutely only problem is that i have too scan them, that is a bitch. > a few words about ebooks. > > As far as i know there have always been some sort of problems with > ebooks, it can of course have been changed, am not sure. > I have found out for me at least the fastest way simply is go get my > mane dirty , and scan it and read it and move on, it is frustrating, > yes but it is workable. > > > > Kare, agree. You do as a matter fact have sighted persons who do use > some sort of voiceover. > Some of us have even taken it so far as too wire a mac mini into our > car, listening too the mac whilst we drive. > Is it fair that blind persons can't have the same access too the > information as sighted? Of course not, but changes takes time. > I have felt that on my own body when i started my nursing education, > cause i am so eye limited that i am only exactly qualifying. I could > have bitched and whined about it ,but i am believing that constructive > dialog will get me further. > The last 3 years have definitely been frustrating sometimes, cause i > have too work really hard too get where i want. > But 1 year to go and my mac have served its right as my number one > computer on my desc. > I think we sometimes have too remember if you are handicapped > somethings is harder, some things can't be done, but after all since > we are talking about information, the most can get too it if they are > willing too hop a little around. > > > > best Sandi > > > On 12/18/13, Karen Lewellen wrote: >> oh but of course. >> After all compare the number of apple screen readers there have been what >> two? three at most? outspoken which did the job fantastically with >> apple's input, , still can >> with the right equipment, then voiceover. because apple understood the >> importance of including speech for many populations. >> what always blows my mind though is the assumption that voiceover exists >> solely for , and benefits only individuals experiencing sight loss.The >> very idea is a limitation in and of itself. >> The broader the understanding that there can be more people and more >> definitions of successful interaction then the one you are >> personally using, the easier >> it is to draw others on board for inclusion. >> just my two cents having only read Tim's comments and not the rest of the >> thread. >> Kare >> >> On Wed, 18 Dec 2013, Tim Kilburn wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Well said David. While I understand people’s frustration and totally >>> despise discrimination, I’m not sure that I fully agree with some of the >>> opinions/comments shared prior to that. >>> >>> I’ll chime in here to express just a few points. Way back when OS X first >>> came out, I recall going down to the city to do some training with Apple >>> and I commented on the lack of a screen reader within the new OS. I had >>> been using OutSpoken for Mac in OS 6 through 9 and was interested in >>> continuing to use the Mac as it evolved. In normal Apple fashion, no real >>> concrete things were said but it certainly was hinted that they were >>> working on something of their own instead of having an outside vender >>> developing such an animal. My point is here that I don’t believe that it >>> was the noise made by the blind community that got Apple on the screen >>> reader and accessibility wagon, I’m pretty sure that it was in the cards >>> for quite a while. I certainly know that magnification and other >>> accessibility features were built right in to the MacOS back in the late >>> 80s,. I don’t believe for a minute that
Re: a word in defense of the Apple accessibility team
I know this. I suggested a long time ago that there was a solution to the funding shortfall. All every blind person in the US needs to do is send them $1 a month. Have their friends and associates do the same. It doesn't seem like a lot, but its a geometric addition problem. so, $1 a month doesn't seem like a lot (I know, I do so automatically). THe problem I see is that no one wants to do this. they want the free product without any financial obligation. It isn't all that hard and what would you be out? just $1 a month. -eric On Dec 19, 2013, at 2:10 AM, David Chittenden wrote: > Another comment about NVDA. NVDA is fully developed by volunteers. The reason > it is free is because the people working on it are not being paid. Even then, > it has almost gone under a few times already. Because it is completely > reliant on donations, and because the people who benefit from it represent > less than 0.5% of the market, and because a significant portion of these > people are taking advantage of the developers' generosity without providing > any donations in recompense (as easily proven by the fact that it has almost > folded a few times already, I would not expect it to be around forever. The > model is not very sustainable. > > David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA > Email: dchitten...@gmail.com > Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 19 Dec 2013, at 15:26, "Littlefield, Tyler" wrote: >> >> I have two points here. >> >> Firstly, OCR is a very CPU and memory consuming process. If you expect to >> get this on an an EReader, you're totally 100% insane. There are OCR engines >> out there, but the question of licensing comes to mind, which is actually >> something I forgot to mention on my last post with screen readers. You need >> to license (or put in the amount of money it would take to research and >> develop a synth), which is a pretty big issue. There's ESpeak, but that >> license may not work for some proprietary software. >> >> Finally, I'm not sure what issues you have with windows or why you trash >> them, but the standards you point out are actually followed. Microsoft has >> developed quite a few standards, usually to improve accessibility that >> screen readers are expected to adopt and have made them accessible for >> screen readers, which was the actual purpose behind them. It was for all >> intents and purposes the same idea Apple had with their adoption of Cocoa, >> with the minor fact that Apple can just adjust as much as they need for >> Voiceover while Microsoft needs to provide an API that can be accessed. As >> for Linux, there does not currently exist an API like MSAA or UIAA that can >> be used for screen readers. Each window manager has their own (at-spi, etc). >> So no, writing screen readers is not at all trivial. >> >> you also mentioned NVDA, which brings up another issue. They have done a >> great job at it, but they have also been working on this project for years >> and have the ability to use open-source projects and libraries they can tie >> into. They do this quite well, but it is yet another issue proprietary >> software would have to contend with--if no suitable licensed libraries are >> available to perform a specific task, some reinvention of the wheel will >> have to take place. >>> On 12/18/2013 8:37 PM, eric oyen wrote: >>> I can see the problems I have raised. However, the E-book readers actually >>> do have an audio port (how else are you going to hear other multimedia >>> content). THe authors guild doesn't necessarily represent all authors (in >>> fact, a lot of them are actually starting to publish via amazon and >>> others). If you look at their actions over the last 20 years, you will see >>> that they have actually acted to defend major publishers. >>> >>> Now, the issue of scanned images containing text can be worked around >>> effectively (there are several inexpensive OCR apps for windows or OS X >>> that work well). >>> >>> THe purpose of a library is the same as its always been: the free sharing >>> of information. We the blind have as much right to access to this >>> information that the sighted take for granted, yet the onerousness of >>> copyright laws makes this extremely difficult. This situation is not >>> improving (as evidenced by recent actions against both Apple and Google for >>> their books online). Again, we get left out of consideration when such >>> actions are taken. >>> >>> Now, complaining does work, if done correctly and to the right people. If >>> the vendor doesn't want to listen, one can always spend money elsewhere. >>> THere is also legal action (I would use this as a last resort when all >>> other negotiations fail). As for voting with your wallet, this only works >>> when there is enough people doing the same thing. This also only works if >>> there is more than one vendor offering that product with those features >>> desired. One other way that also works is to
Viewing folders in the dock
Hi Folks, I have my documents and pictures folders in the dock for easy access. They only appear to be viewable as a grid in there. I know I can show in finder, but is there a way to have them display as a list in the dock? Or is this not possible? Thanks for any ideas. Lisette -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: a word in defense of the Apple accessibility team
Really? The inconvenience outweights the benefits? I scan and ocr books all the time and unless i want perfection very little proofreading is necessary. I haven't noticed the joy being sucked out of my reading by a little effort! Yes, more work needs to be done in this area but meanwhile I will do what I need to do and thoroughly enjoy the results while I am doing it! I remember the days when there was absolutely nothing I could do in a library without a reader and there wasn't any such thing as "online". -- Cheryl Go beyond the Christmas story this year; meet Immanuel (God with us), Jesus, the crucified Savior, Christ, the risen Lord. On Dec 19, 2013, at 1:20 PM, eric oyen wrote: > I can do just that, but the inconvenience of doing so vastly outweighs the > benefits. Also, there are restrictions in US copyright law that specifically > prohibits this kind of activity (and there doesn't appear to be a listed set > of exceptions) for the individual. Also, there is the time involved to scan, > proof read and correct. That kind of takes the joy out of reading. > > -eric > > On Dec 19, 2013, at 1:31 AM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote: > >> Hi Eric, you got me a little confused, surely if you walk down too >> your local library you can take a book home OCR it and read it? >> Am not sure about the copyright laws in the us, but i know that in >> Denmark, i can go down, get a normal book, take it home scan it , read >> it and have the exactly same access too the information, as any other >> person. >> >> Eric oyen Wrote: >> " THe purpose of a library is the same as its always been: the free >> sharing of information. We the blind have as much right to access to >> this information that the sighted take for granted, yet the >> onerousness of copyright laws makes this extremely difficult. This >> situation is not improving (as evidenced by recent actions against >> both Apple and Google for their books online). Again, we get left out >> of consideration when such actions are taken." >> Eric, i am confused as stated before, are you talking about usual >> books[that is what i use mostly for my nursing education] my >> absolutely only problem is that i have too scan them, that is a bitch. >> a few words about ebooks. >> >> As far as i know there have always been some sort of problems with >> ebooks, it can of course have been changed, am not sure. >> I have found out for me at least the fastest way simply is go get my >> mane dirty , and scan it and read it and move on, it is frustrating, >> yes but it is workable. >> >> >> >> Kare, agree. You do as a matter fact have sighted persons who do use >> some sort of voiceover. >> Some of us have even taken it so far as too wire a mac mini into our >> car, listening too the mac whilst we drive. >> Is it fair that blind persons can't have the same access too the >> information as sighted? Of course not, but changes takes time. >> I have felt that on my own body when i started my nursing education, >> cause i am so eye limited that i am only exactly qualifying. I could >> have bitched and whined about it ,but i am believing that constructive >> dialog will get me further. >> The last 3 years have definitely been frustrating sometimes, cause i >> have too work really hard too get where i want. >> But 1 year to go and my mac have served its right as my number one >> computer on my desc. >> I think we sometimes have too remember if you are handicapped >> somethings is harder, some things can't be done, but after all since >> we are talking about information, the most can get too it if they are >> willing too hop a little around. >> >> >> >> best Sandi >> >> >> On 12/18/13, Karen Lewellen wrote: >>> oh but of course. >>> After all compare the number of apple screen readers there have been what >>> two? three at most? outspoken which did the job fantastically with >>> apple's input, , still can >>> with the right equipment, then voiceover. because apple understood the >>> importance of including speech for many populations. >>> what always blows my mind though is the assumption that voiceover exists >>> solely for , and benefits only individuals experiencing sight loss.The >>> very idea is a limitation in and of itself. >>> The broader the understanding that there can be more people and more >>> definitions of successful interaction then the one you are >>> personally using, the easier >>> it is to draw others on board for inclusion. >>> just my two cents having only read Tim's comments and not the rest of the >>> thread. >>> Kare >>> >>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2013, Tim Kilburn wrote: >>> Hi, Well said David. While I understand people’s frustration and totally despise discrimination, I’m not sure that I fully agree with some of the opinions/comments shared prior to that. I’ll chime in here to express just a few points. Way back when OS X first came out, I recall going down to the city to do some training with
Is anyone receiving messages with text that is not being read?
Since last night, several gmail users have replied to messages I sent them, and the body of the message appears empty. They res-send, or reply again, with the same result. I have yet to ask a sighted person whether the words are visible on the screen, but so far, this is only happening with gmail users. Is anyone else experiencing this? I have tried "select all" and pasting into a text edit file, and I have tried "forwarding" to myself, but all I get is the usual On (date and time) So-and-so wrote: . . . Then nothing. Christine P.S. This is not happening with Google Groups mail, just personal mail from individual users to whom I have written first. I have an old MacBook running Mountain Lion. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Help with Bluetooth Speakers Problem
Ok, so I finally have my system set up with my VO sound going through the main built in speakers, as the brand new pair of bluetooth speakers I just got keep losing connectivity, which makes no sense as my bluetooth keyboard and trackpad are both fine. I get an error message Bluetooth Dialogue Agent there was a problem connecting to this device, and may need to be restarted to work properly. I have tried turning the speakers off and on, and nothing, I have tried to find a command that allows my computer to forget the device so I can repair it but can't seem to find that, and the only thing that gets the speakers working again is restarting my computer which I don't want to do, as this error pops up a couple of times a day. Any idea one what the problem could be and two is there a way to get the speakers working again without restarting the computer. Thanks. I am running Mountain Lion on a 2010 iMac, and the speakers are the Logictech Z600 speakers Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Importing a CSV Address Book into Alpine in terminal?
Hello, Did a different user create the file? If so, you’ll need to use the chown command. If it was the same user, you can try the chmod command. $ chmod u+r address.csv It’s been years since I used alpine, but does alpine want the file with a specific filename? HTH Gena On 19 Dec 2013, at 18:56, Teresa Cochran wrote: > Hi, all, > > I got an app in the app store to convert my Mail contacts into a cSV file. I > then put it in my home directory. when I specify it as an alternate address > book in Alpine, I get an error message that permission is denied and the file > is unreadable. Where can I go from here? > > Thanks, > teresa > > Sent using Alpine messaging system in Mac OS X Terminal > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Importing a CSV Address Book into Alpine in terminal?
how do you access the app delete command? Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 19, 2013, at 3:34 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote: > > Hello, > > Did a different user create the file? If so, you’ll need to use the chown > command. If it was the same user, you can try the chmod command. > > $ chmod u+r address.csv > > It’s been years since I used alpine, but does alpine want the file with a > specific filename? > > HTH > > Gena > >> On 19 Dec 2013, at 18:56, Teresa Cochran wrote: >> >> Hi, all, >> >> I got an app in the app store to convert my Mail contacts into a cSV file. I >> then put it in my home directory. when I specify it as an alternate address >> book in Alpine, I get an error message that permission is denied and the >> file is unreadable. Where can I go from here? >> >> Thanks, >> teresa >> >> Sent using Alpine messaging system in Mac OS X Terminal >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Importing a CSV Address Book into Alpine in terminal?
Thanks, Gina. I'll try that. Yes, the online help says that a specific local file name is required in the "folder" field if using a local file. I've also tried pasting the contents of the address book in an email message and using Alpine's 'take" command. However, I had to set it up as a distribution list to get all the addresses to be accepted. This doesn't seem right. On a slightly unrelated note, I see "Applevis list' in the "to" field of this message. Is this my glitch or someone else's? :) Teresa Sent using Alpine messaging system in Mac OS X Terminal On Thu, 19 Dec 2013, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello, Did a different user create the file? If so, you’ll need to use the chown command. If it was the same user, you can try the chmod command. $ chmod u+r address.csv It’s been years since I used alpine, but does alpine want the file with a specific filename? HTH Gena -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: a word in defense of the Apple accessibility team
Unless things have drastically changed, one can definitely scan and OCR books from the local library. This is unless accessible formats are available to borrow. It is highly illegal for an individual to share their book scans / conversions. Bookshare, as a nonprofit entity, can share scans made by and / or for blind people to other blind people. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone > On 20 Dec 2013, at 8:20, eric oyen wrote: > > I can do just that, but the inconvenience of doing so vastly outweighs the > benefits. Also, there are restrictions in US copyright law that specifically > prohibits this kind of activity (and there doesn't appear to be a listed set > of exceptions) for the individual. Also, there is the time involved to scan, > proof read and correct. That kind of takes the joy out of reading. > > -eric > >> On Dec 19, 2013, at 1:31 AM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote: >> >> Hi Eric, you got me a little confused, surely if you walk down too >> your local library you can take a book home OCR it and read it? >> Am not sure about the copyright laws in the us, but i know that in >> Denmark, i can go down, get a normal book, take it home scan it , read >> it and have the exactly same access too the information, as any other >> person. >> >> Eric oyen Wrote: >> " THe purpose of a library is the same as its always been: the free >> sharing of information. We the blind have as much right to access to >> this information that the sighted take for granted, yet the >> onerousness of copyright laws makes this extremely difficult. This >> situation is not improving (as evidenced by recent actions against >> both Apple and Google for their books online). Again, we get left out >> of consideration when such actions are taken." >> Eric, i am confused as stated before, are you talking about usual >> books[that is what i use mostly for my nursing education] my >> absolutely only problem is that i have too scan them, that is a bitch. >> a few words about ebooks. >> >> As far as i know there have always been some sort of problems with >> ebooks, it can of course have been changed, am not sure. >> I have found out for me at least the fastest way simply is go get my >> mane dirty , and scan it and read it and move on, it is frustrating, >> yes but it is workable. >> >> >> >> Kare, agree. You do as a matter fact have sighted persons who do use >> some sort of voiceover. >> Some of us have even taken it so far as too wire a mac mini into our >> car, listening too the mac whilst we drive. >> Is it fair that blind persons can't have the same access too the >> information as sighted? Of course not, but changes takes time. >> I have felt that on my own body when i started my nursing education, >> cause i am so eye limited that i am only exactly qualifying. I could >> have bitched and whined about it ,but i am believing that constructive >> dialog will get me further. >> The last 3 years have definitely been frustrating sometimes, cause i >> have too work really hard too get where i want. >> But 1 year to go and my mac have served its right as my number one >> computer on my desc. >> I think we sometimes have too remember if you are handicapped >> somethings is harder, some things can't be done, but after all since >> we are talking about information, the most can get too it if they are >> willing too hop a little around. >> >> >> >> best Sandi >> >> >>> On 12/18/13, Karen Lewellen wrote: >>> oh but of course. >>> After all compare the number of apple screen readers there have been what >>> two? three at most? outspoken which did the job fantastically with >>> apple's input, , still can >>> with the right equipment, then voiceover. because apple understood the >>> importance of including speech for many populations. >>> what always blows my mind though is the assumption that voiceover exists >>> solely for , and benefits only individuals experiencing sight loss.The >>> very idea is a limitation in and of itself. >>> The broader the understanding that there can be more people and more >>> definitions of successful interaction then the one you are >>> personally using, the easier >>> it is to draw others on board for inclusion. >>> just my two cents having only read Tim's comments and not the rest of the >>> thread. >>> Kare >>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2013, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi, Well said David. While I understand people’s frustration and totally despise discrimination, I’m not sure that I fully agree with some of the opinions/comments shared prior to that. I’ll chime in here to express just a few points. Way back when OS X first came out, I recall going down to the city to do some training with Apple and I commented on the lack of a screen reader within the new OS. I had been using OutSpoken for Mac in OS 6 through 9 and was interested in continuing to use the Mac as it
Re: Importing a CSV Address Book into Alpine in terminal?
Hi, Jessica, If you could post a new message with your question, more people will see it and it will not get lost in the shuffle. You've posted an unrelated message in a unrelated thread. Double-tap "compose' on your home screen, and give a few more details about your problem, such as which computer or device you're using, etc. You will most likely get an answer sooner this way. Hth, Teresa Sent using Alpine messaging system in Mac OS X Terminal On Thu, 19 Dec 2013, Jessica D wrote: how do you access the app delete command? Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Importing a CSV Address Book into Alpine in terminal?
Hello, It appears you shouldn’t need to do anything other than name the file “.addressbook” i.e. start with a period and all in lower case call it address book. By giving a filename a period sets the appropriate permissions. HTH BTW: How does VO work using alpine? Gena On 19 Dec 2013, at 21:02, Teresa Cochran wrote: > Thanks, Gina. I'll try that. Yes, the online help says that a specific local > file name is required in the "folder" field if using a local file. I've also > tried pasting the contents of the address book in an email message and using > Alpine's 'take" command. However, I had to set it up as a distribution list > to get all the addresses to be accepted. This doesn't seem right. > > On a slightly unrelated note, I see "Applevis list' in the "to" field of this > message. Is this my glitch or someone else's? :) > > Teresa > > Sent using Alpine messaging system in Mac OS X Terminal > > On Thu, 19 Dec 2013, Georgina Joyce wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> Did a different user create the file? If so, you’ll need to use the chown >> command. If it was the same user, you can try the chmod command. >> >> $ chmod u+r address.csv >> >> It’s been years since I used alpine, but does alpine want the file with a >> specific filename? >> >> HTH >> >> Gena > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
command for app delete.
hi, the other day, a fellow list member told me there was an app delete function for mac how do you access it? Sent from my iPhoneh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: command for app delete.
Hi! there is a program called app delete that you can use to delete unwanted apps from your library. It gets everything that needs to be deleted. Jim On Dec 19, 2013, at 3:30 PM, Jessica D wrote: > hi, > the other day, a fellow list member told me there was an app delete function > for mac how do you access it? > > Sent from my iPhoneh > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Importing a CSV Address Book into Alpine in terminal?
Hi, Gena, VO is a little quirky in Alpine, but doable. It's much better after setting "show cursor" in config. Teresa Sent using Alpine messaging system in Mac OS X Terminal On Thu, 19 Dec 2013, Georgina Joyce wrote: Hello, It appears you shouldn’t need to do anything other than name the file “.addressbook” i.e. start with a period and all in lower case call it address book. By giving a filename a period sets the appropriate permissions. HTH BTW: How does VO work using alpine? Gena -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Importing a CSV Address Book into Alpine in terminal?
That is correct. If you put a .addressbook (note the period in front) in your home directory, as long as the information is in the correct format, when you open Alpine the addresses should be imported. -- Cheryl Go beyond the Christmas story this year; meet Immanuel (God with us), Jesus, the crucified Savior, Christ, the risen Lord. On Dec 19, 2013, at 3:20 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote: > Hello, > > It appears you shouldn’t need to do anything other than name the file > “.addressbook” i.e. start with a period and all in lower case call it address > book. > > By giving a filename a period sets the appropriate permissions. > > HTH > > BTW: How does VO work using alpine? > > Gena > On 19 Dec 2013, at 21:02, Teresa Cochran wrote: > >> Thanks, Gina. I'll try that. Yes, the online help says that a specific local >> file name is required in the "folder" field if using a local file. I've also >> tried pasting the contents of the address book in an email message and using >> Alpine's 'take" command. However, I had to set it up as a distribution list >> to get all the addresses to be accepted. This doesn't seem right. >> >> On a slightly unrelated note, I see "Applevis list' in the "to" field of >> this message. Is this my glitch or someone else's? :) >> >> Teresa >> >> Sent using Alpine messaging system in Mac OS X Terminal >> >> On Thu, 19 Dec 2013, Georgina Joyce wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> Did a different user create the file? If so, you’ll need to use the chown >>> command. If it was the same user, you can try the chmod command. >>> >>> $ chmod u+r address.csv >>> >>> It’s been years since I used alpine, but does alpine want the file with a >>> specific filename? >>> >>> HTH >>> >>> Gena >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Importing a CSV Address Book into Alpine in terminal?
It works much better with brltty than with just vo. The problem is at this point I'm not sure how to tell you what has to be installed in order for you to be able to compile brltty on your system. I use macports and then compile and install the developer (subversion) installation of brltty but I'm not sure if you can get a list of exactly what you would have to install in order to compile and run brltty. I did instructions a few years ago and still have them but I need to find time to update them. -- Cheryl Go beyond the Christmas story this year; meet Immanuel (God with us), Jesus, the crucified Savior, Christ, the risen Lord. On Dec 19, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: > Hi, Gena, > > VO is a little quirky in Alpine, but doable. It's much better after setting > "show cursor" in config. > > Teresa > > Sent using Alpine messaging system in Mac OS X Terminal > > On Thu, 19 Dec 2013, Georgina Joyce wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> It appears you shouldn’t need to do anything other than name the file >> “.addressbook” i.e. start with a period and all in lower case call it >> address book. >> >> By giving a filename a period sets the appropriate permissions. >> >> HTH >> >> BTW: How does VO work using alpine? >> >> Gena > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: command for app delete.
How does this differ from pressing command-backspace to delete the app? Does it also remove associated files? Teresa Sent using Alpine messaging system in Mac OS X Terminal On Thu, 19 Dec 2013, Jim Gatteys wrote: Hi! there is a program called app delete that you can use to delete unwanted apps from your library. It gets everything that needs to be deleted. Jim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: command for app delete.
It does delete associated material. It gives you the option to delete or archive it. It then shows a list of all that will be deleted. I've found it to be a handy little program because I never know what all is associated with the application and it just goes and gets it. Jim On Dec 19, 2013, at 4:17 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: > How does this differ from pressing command-backspace to delete the app? Does > it also remove associated files? > > Teresa > > Sent using Alpine messaging system in Mac OS X Terminal > > On Thu, 19 Dec 2013, Jim Gatteys wrote: > >> Hi! >> there is a program called app delete that you can use to delete unwanted >> apps from your library. It gets everything that needs to be deleted. >> Jim > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Importing a CSV Address Book into Alpine in terminal?
Hi, Cheryl, I did find your instructions, but compiling is kind of way over my head, unless I have a lot of hand-holding, so I'm apprehensive about it. I did install a php app, but the webpage literally contained the commands. I also get very confused where variables are concerned. I'm hoping to install brltty one of these days, but I either need to learn a lot more, or have an exact recipe, or both. :) Teresa Sent using Alpine messaging system in Mac OS X Terminal On Thu, 19 Dec 2013, Cheryl Homiak wrote: It works much better with brltty than with just vo. The problem is at this point I'm not sure how to tell you what has to be installed in order for you to be able to compile brltty on your system. I use macports and then compile and install the developer (subversion) installation of brltty but I'm not sure if you can get a list of exactly what you would have to install in order to compile and run brltty. I did instructions a few years ago and still have them but I need to find time to update them. -- Cheryl -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Importing a CSV Address Book into Alpine in terminal?
Thanks, Gena and cheryl. I'll play with this and see what I can do. :) Teresa Sent using Alpine messaging system in Mac OS X Terminal On Thu, 19 Dec 2013, Cheryl Homiak wrote: That is correct. If you put a .addressbook (note the period in front) in your home directory, as long as the information is in the correct format, when you open Alpine the addresses should be imported. -- Cheryl -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Importing a CSV Address Book into Alpine in terminal?
I'll try to redo it as soon as I can and get it as exact as I can. I totally understand how you feel. Since I have a linux using background, I usually don't mind compiling. The compiling itself isn't so difficult; the challenge is figuring out what you are missing that has to be installed when you are compiling and get an error. But for now i'd better stop since I've now kind of goofed up this thread :-) I'll be sure to start a separate one when I post about brltty again. -- Cheryl Go beyond the Christmas story this year; meet Immanuel (God with us), Jesus, the crucified Savior, Christ, the risen Lord. On Dec 19, 2013, at 4:24 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: > Hi, Cheryl, > > I did find your instructions, but compiling is kind of way over my head, > unless I have a lot of hand-holding, so I'm apprehensive about it. I did > install a php app, but the webpage literally contained the commands. I also > get very confused where variables are concerned. I'm hoping to install brltty > one of these days, but I either need to learn a lot more, or have an exact > recipe, or both. :) > > Teresa > > Sent using Alpine messaging system in Mac OS X Terminal > > On Thu, 19 Dec 2013, Cheryl Homiak wrote: > >> It works much better with brltty than with just vo. The problem is at this >> point I'm not sure how to tell you what has to be installed in order for you >> to be able to compile brltty on your system. I use macports and then compile >> and install the developer (subversion) installation of brltty but I'm not >> sure if you can get a list of exactly what you would have to install in >> order to compile and run brltty. I did instructions a few years ago and >> still have them but I need to find time to update them. >> >> -- >> Cheryl > > -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Itunes output
But what about voice over? Ramy moustafa saber Musicc instructor at: faculty of musical education music arranger and sound engineer Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 19, 2013, at 8:34 PM, Terje Strømberg wrote: > > Have you tried system preferences, hardware, sound, sound output, chose a > sound output device: ? > > Take care > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: command for app delete.
where can i find it? i do not see it when looking in my applications folder. do i have to download it? if so, how? Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 19, 2013, at 5:23 PM, Jim Gatteys wrote: > > It does delete associated material. It gives you the option to delete or > archive it. It then shows a list of all that will be deleted. I've found it > to be a handy little program because I never know what all is associated with > the application and it just goes and gets it. > Jim > >> On Dec 19, 2013, at 4:17 PM, Teresa Cochran >> wrote: >> >> How does this differ from pressing command-backspace to delete the app? Does >> it also remove associated files? >> >> Teresa >> >> Sent using Alpine messaging system in Mac OS X Terminal >> >>> On Thu, 19 Dec 2013, Jim Gatteys wrote: >>> >>> Hi! >>> there is a program called app delete that you can use to delete unwanted >>> apps from your library. It gets everything that needs to be deleted. >>> Jim >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Viewing folders in the dock
Hi Lisette, To make folders you place in the dock viewable with VoiceOver, navigate to the folder in the dock and bring up your context menu (VO-shift-m). VO-down arrow though the options and set this to View content as "List" by pressing either VO-Space or the Return key. Or if you are using TrackPad commander to navigate, double tap on the folder, then flick down to the "Options" submenu and either flick right or double tap to bring up the submenu, then flick down through the options and when you are at "List" double tap. This is also something that new VoiceOver users or anyone who has a new computer with a clean install of an operating system will have to do to make their Downloads folder viewable. In order to be most usable with VoiiceOver, folders placed in the Dock should be set to Display as "Folder" and View content as "List". The default settings for the Downloads folder in the Dock are: Sort by "Date Added", Display as "Stack", and View content as "Fan". It's not possible for VoiceOver to navigate the options when the content is viewed as "Fan", so you must minimally use the VO-shift-m keyboard shortcut to set the content to view content as "List", even if you prefer to use TrackPad Commander gestures. When I am in the Dock, I also prefer to use Fn-down arrow and up arrow to move between the applications section, the files and folders that have been placed in the dock to the right of the separator (which in Mavericks uses the new shortcut of Control-Command-Shft-t), and the Trash. To move to the first item in the Dock (Finder) or the last item (Trash), I use Fn-Left arrow and Right arrow when in the Dock. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Thursday, December 19, 2013 9:44:38 AM UTC-10, Lisette wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I have my documents and pictures folders in the dock for easy access. They > only appear to be viewable as a grid in there. I know I can show in finder, > but is there a way to have them display as a list in the dock? Or is this not > possible? > > Thanks for any ideas. > > > > Lisette -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: YoruFukurou short cut keys
I believe the command to retweet is "command shift v “ and than press Enter to confirm. On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Patricia Solis wrote: > Hello: Can someone please tell me how to open a link on *YoruFukurou. > Also, how to retweet?* > > * Thanks Patricia* > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: VM Fusion and Window-Eyes
All, I have set up a bootcamp partition and I have Windows7 running on it with Jaws 15. This works very well . I used SharpKeys to swap the command and option keys when in the bootcamp setup. I have also installed the keyboard hack and keyremap for macbook stuff to allow me to use the caps lock key for a screen reader modifier. So, all is well in bootcamp land. I also used VMWare Fusion 6 to import my bootcamp partition as a VM. I am having a problem though that has been discussed on the list before although I don’t believe I have seen a solution. When working in VMware in Windows7 with JAWS running, I am having trouble with some JFW commands not working. Commands that use key combos on the left side of the keyboard work fine, but, commands that use keys on the right hand side of the keyboard are not working. For example, Jawskey + I is not reading the current line. My guess is that this has something to do with the VMWare key mappings, or something with all the variations of key remappings that are being done. I have removed the Sharpkeys settings while in VMWare as the remappings can be done with VMWare itself, but, still no luck. Do any of the JFW users out there have a solution that will fix this issue? Most of my work is required to be done in Windows, however, I would rather do it on the VM side so I still have my MAC apps available to me. Thanks all for any suggestions, JP On Dec 10, 2013, at 1:35 PM, Bill Holton wrote: > I used the keyboard settings in the Mac settings to switc > h them one for the other. It makes it a lot easier to use a PC keyboard. > But even on my Mac keyboard Window-Eyes seems to be interferring with my > ability to use Option-tab to tab between programs, that keyboard has factory > settings. > On Dec 10, 2013, at 12:22 PM, BBS wrote: > >> That's odd. On my keyboard, the Windows key is the command key. >> >> -- >> Shawn >> Sent From My White MacBook Using SamNet >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: command for app delete.
check the app store. On Dec 19, 2013, at 5:21 PM, Jessica D wrote: > where can i find it? i do not see it when looking in my applications folder. > do i have to download it? if so, how? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 19, 2013, at 5:23 PM, Jim Gatteys wrote: >> >> It does delete associated material. It gives you the option to delete or >> archive it. It then shows a list of all that will be deleted. I've found >> it to be a handy little program because I never know what all is associated >> with the application and it just goes and gets it. >> Jim >> >>> On Dec 19, 2013, at 4:17 PM, Teresa Cochran >>> wrote: >>> >>> How does this differ from pressing command-backspace to delete the app? >>> Does it also remove associated files? >>> >>> Teresa >>> >>> Sent using Alpine messaging system in Mac OS X Terminal >>> On Thu, 19 Dec 2013, Jim Gatteys wrote: Hi! there is a program called app delete that you can use to delete unwanted apps from your library. It gets everything that needs to be deleted. Jim >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: huge mail problems still
The main problem for me with Mavericks Mail is that the read/unread status of messages, and the number of messages in the thread, are announced last by VoiceOver when navigating through the message list. This slows my progress significantly as I have to wait for VoiceOver to announce everything else before I get this important information. I'm interested in whether Robert and others have this issue too, as it seems to me like something that's not dependant on individual settings. My work around for this has been to turn the preview line off in the Viewing tab of Mail Preferences. This way I don't need to listen to the message read out before finding out whether it's read or unread, and how many messages there are in the thread. However, this is a real drawback to me as hearing the preview often allowed me to dismiss a message quickly without needing to open it first. For clarification, I've been doing this on a 2011 MacBook Air. I use Mail in standard view with threading turn on and the preview pane fully collapsed. I read through the list of messages by using the up and down arrows while VO focus is on the message list. I don't interact with the message list table and I do not have QuickNav turned on. To read a message, I use command-o to open it in a new window and then just use the arrow keys to read line by line etcetera (with, of course, QuickNav still turned off). Best, Nic -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: command for app delete.
It's not on your Mac by default and I'm pretty sure it's not on the Mac App Store. You have to download it from the developer. Try googling it I'm sure you'll find it. It's a great app, very accessible and much better than just command-deleting your apps. Best, Nic -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Help with Bluetooth Speakers Problem
Not sure, sorry, Bryan. Sounds like it could be a problem with the speakers, or at least a compatibility problem. Were they advertised as being compatible with Mac? Maybe you should write to the supplier and try and return or exchange them. Best of luck, Nic -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Two New Weird Problems in Mountain Lion
As for iTunes launching, my first thoughts are that you may have plugged in an iDevice, or have pressed an iTunes media key or a button on a remote for your bluetooth speakers. Cheers, Nic -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Equal Access to Library Books (Was: a word in defense of the Apple accessibility team)
Is it possible to scan and OCR library books? Yes, of course. However, to scan requires a scanner. Moreover, to get good results from books rather than loose leaf pages requires a special kind of scanner. Then there's the OCR software. None of this is cheap, and none of it is an expense or effort sighted people are required to go through to get library books. So, while it's possible, is it equal access? No, far from it. And expecting equal access isn't just some idealistic nonsense, as some seem to suggest. Libraries in my country, and many developed countries are required by law to provide all people equal access to their books. So this is simply a question of whether the libraries are complying with the law, and in most cases I think they're not. Is this unequal access necessary? No, not in the vast majority of cases. All modern books are printed from a digital copy. They are not typed up on type writers. The authors and publishers have perfect electronic copies which don't require any scanning, proof reading or OCR. Why don't they let us have access to these? Because they are worried this might impact their profits. Simply put, they value increased profits more than our rights to equal access. Of course authors and publishers need to make money, otherwise there wouldn't be as many good publications available. However, it's not at all necessary to sacrifice profits to provide access to electronic publications. Firstly, there are many mass market eBook vendors with digital rights management which could be used to make books available. While the collections of Kindle and iBooks are constantly growing, they are often still lacking books, particularly from certain publishers who have not yet embraced the digital era. Secondly, there are publishes that have been able to make money selling unprotected eBooks. TidBits and TOR are examples. So it's more than possible for at least all modern books to be made easily available in accessible formats which do not require scanning, OCR and proof reading, but the Author's Guild is too cautious and keen to protect it's profits from an imagined threat to allow equal access to their books by people who are blind or have low vision. Thankfully, progress is being made. The progress that has been and is being made is fantastic. However, it isn't made by people being complaisant about the situation. Nor is the progress occurring as quickly as it could. I think there is vast room for faster improvement and it will require a concerted effort on the part of many to make it happen. On 20 Jan 2013, at 8:08 AM, David Chittenden wrote: Unless things have drastically changed, one can definitely scan and OCR books from the local library. This is unless accessible formats are available to borrow. It is highly illegal for an individual to share their book scans / conversions. Bookshare, as a nonprofit entity, can share scans made by and / or for blind people to other blind people. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone > On 20 Dec 2013, at 8:20, eric oyen wrote: > > I can do just that, but the inconvenience of doing so vastly outweighs the > benefits. Also, there are restrictions in US copyright law that specifically > prohibits this kind of activity (and there doesn't appear to be a listed set > of exceptions) for the individual. Also, there is the time involved to scan, > proof read and correct. That kind of takes the joy out of reading. > > -eric > >> On Dec 19, 2013, at 1:31 AM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote: >> >> Hi Eric, you got me a little confused, surely if you walk down too >> your local library you can take a book home OCR it and read it? >> Am not sure about the copyright laws in the us, but i know that in >> Denmark, i can go down, get a normal book, take it home scan it , read >> it and have the exactly same access too the information, as any other >> person. >> >> Eric oyen Wrote: >> " THe purpose of a library is the same as its always been: the free >> sharing of information. We the blind have as much right to access to >> this information that the sighted take for granted, yet the >> onerousness of copyright laws makes this extremely difficult. This >> situation is not improving (as evidenced by recent actions against >> both Apple and Google for their books online). Again, we get left out >> of consideration when such actions are taken." >> Eric, i am confused as stated before, are you talking about usual >> books[that is what i use mostly for my nursing education] my >> absolutely only problem is that i have too scan them, that is a bitch. >> a few words about ebooks. >> >> As far as i know there have always been some sort of problems with >> ebooks, it can of course have been changed, am not sure. >> I have found out for me at least the fastest way simply is go get my >> mane dirty , and scan it and read it and move on, it is frustrating, >> yes but it i
Re: Help with Bluetooth Speakers Problem
Hey Nick, Yes, they are advertised that they work with Mac, iPad, iPod, iPhone, all of that. I actually just found the bluetooth usb enhancer which I thought I didn't get in the box, it was in a hidden compartment that a sighted friend found and so far so good, we shall see, strange that I would need to plug this in taking up a valued USB port, as the speakers are right next to the computer. Might return them but when they work they do sound fantastic but the error messages were getting old. On Dec 19, 2013, at 11:40 PM, Nicholas Parsons wrote: > Not sure, sorry, Bryan. Sounds like it could be a problem with the speakers, > or at least a compatibility problem. Were they advertised as being compatible > with Mac? Maybe you should write to the supplier and try and return or > exchange them. > Best of luck, > Nic > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: huge mail problems still
Nic! have you tried changing the order of columns in your mail? I did it using classic view a long time ago and don't know if you can do it with standard view but it might be worth checking out. Unless, of course, I am misunderstanding your message. Jim On Dec 19, 2013, at 10:33 PM, Nicholas Parsons wrote: > The main problem for me with Mavericks Mail is that the read/unread status of > messages, and the number of messages in the thread, are announced last by > VoiceOver when navigating through the message list. This slows my progress > significantly as I have to wait for VoiceOver to announce everything else > before I get this important information. I'm interested in whether Robert and > others have this issue too, as it seems to me like something that's not > dependant on individual settings. > > My work around for this has been to turn the preview line off in the Viewing > tab of Mail Preferences. This way I don't need to listen to the message read > out before finding out whether it's read or unread, and how many messages > there are in the thread. However, this is a real drawback to me as hearing > the preview often allowed me to dismiss a message quickly without needing to > open it first. > > For clarification, I've been doing this on a 2011 MacBook Air. I use Mail in > standard view with threading turn on and the preview pane fully collapsed. I > read through the list of messages by using the up and down arrows while VO > focus is on the message list. I don't interact with the message list table > and I do not have QuickNav turned on. To read a message, I use command-o to > open it in a new window and then just use the arrow keys to read line by line > etcetera (with, of course, QuickNav still turned off). > > Best, > Nic > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Navigating iTunes Radio on the Mac
guys, has anyone done a podcast on how to navigate iTunes Radio on the Mac? I use the limited vision i have to create stations and select them. But I can't figure out how to do things like "favorite" a song because I can't figure out which song is actually playing. I can see a song after it has played if it lands in the history for a given station. But, if I want to know what song is playing, I can only look at the LCD section at the top of the iTunes screen. That's inefficient. any help appreciated. Thanks, Kevin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: iTunes Radio Assistance??
I see you're basically asking some of what I want to know. I can make a station play buy using the limited vision I have. but it's hard. I'd love to hear how to do more things without vision. thanks, Kevin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: iTunes Radio Assistance??
Which play button are you tabbing to? Is it the one near the LCD section at the top of iTunes? Is there another play button within the station that you're talking about? How many tabs is it? thanks, Kevin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Convert tect to table in new pages
Hello.As the subject says, I want to convert some text to table. I already made the format with tab between eact column, but I can’t find the “Convert text to table” under the format and table submenu. Any other ideas for this? I have a very long table in this format that I would like to convert. Any aid will be truly appreciated. Thanks! Daniela Rubio T iphone: +34662328507 Daniela Rubio T Distinguished Educator iPhone: +34662328507 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Navigating iTunes Radio on the Mac
For the record, I'm using Lion on a Mac Mini. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
tabs and pages
Hi! I have text that I want to be right aligned in pages and am trying to set a tab that will reflect that. I find a combo box that says left but I can't change it to anything else. Any ideas? Thanks, Jim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
