date:20130131

Re: o. t.: Microsoft Office for Mac! Important: read and leave comments!

2013-01-31 Thread Anne Robertson

Hello J.P.,

MS Office is totally inaccessible since we can't read or write in its programs. 
It's all very well being able to access the menus, but with no access to text 
areas of any kind, it cannot be described as anything other than totally 
inaccessible.

Also, you're not likely to get many responses to your questions since MS Office 
is not cheap and most people aren't going to waste their money on something 
they can't currently use.

Cheers,

Anne

On 31 Jan 2013, at 08:34, J.P.  wrote:

> Hey guys, 
> We are always saying how inaccessible Office for Mac is. The head of 
> Microsoft's Mac accessibility team is reading this post. Those of you who 
> have used the software, please give examples where we know it's inaccessible. 
> Sara, who head's their team is giving us an opportunity that a lot of 
> developers don't. I know for myself, I would rather load one piece of 
> software. Rather then having to use a virtual machine. 
> Thanks, J. p. 
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Re: o. t.: Microsoft Office for Mac! Important: read and leave comments!

2013-01-31 Thread Paul Hunt

Hello. I use Microsoft Office every day and would like to give feedback. I 
already have the Windows version. If Sarah can provide a copy of the software 
and a nondisclosure agreement I'll be happy to test the versions side by side. 

On Jan 31, 2013, at 2:34 AM, "J.P."  wrote:

> Hey guys, 
> We are always saying how inaccessible Office for Mac is. The head of 
> Microsoft's Mac accessibility team is reading this post. Those of you who 
> have used the software, please give examples where we know it's inaccessible. 
> Sara, who head's their team is giving us an opportunity that a lot of 
> developers don't. I know for myself, I would rather load one piece of 
> software. Rather then having to use a virtual machine. 
> Thanks, J. p. 
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Re: how to export docks with pages

2013-01-31 Thread Georgina Joyce


Hello,

I'm sure wordpad opens .rtf.

Gena



On 31/01/2013 01:09, Eugenia Firth wrote:

Hi there
I use RTF files and TextEdit and send them to Windows users all the time. Now 
it's true that these windows users have word so that is not a problem. It would 
seem that the only problem would be if they  didn't have Word  that you would 
not be able  to send them rtf files. Of course, if you got pages, you could 
create either text files or word files. There are some others you can make to, 
but I forgot what they are.
Regards
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 30, 2013, at 12:46 PM, Chris Bruinenberg  wrote:


Nope, that's the only way that I know how to export files for windows users.

On Jan 30, 2013, at 9:58 AM, Richard Ring  wrote:


I was working with pages. What I wanted to find out was, how to save documents 
in file formats other than the default. If I were to send an attachment to a 
Windows user, this might well be necessary. The only way I could find to do 
this is to use the export submenu. Am I missing something obvious here? The 
reason for my question is, there are not that many choices shown here.

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On Jan 30, 2013, at 10:44 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:


Hello Richard,

My husband and I provide a Pages course in five parts via Skype. You can read a 
review of it on the applevis site.

Cheers,

Anne


On 30 Jan 2013, at 16:38, Richard Ring  wrote:


This brings to mind a question. Are there anyone tutorials concerning using 
Pages with VoiceOver? I would be willing to pay for one, if it existed.


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RE: A few more beginner skype user questions

2013-01-31 Thread Bill Holton

Thanks.  Turned out I had the mike set to inline jack instead of the mike
that was plugged into that jack.  Apparently makes a difference.
 
 
 
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Subject: Re: A few more beginner skype user questions
 
Perhaps setting the volume without skype's intervention would suit your
purposes better. If you're in the table in skype that begins with skype
home, and goes to contacts, just press vo+j when you hear contacts, and
you'll be taken to the contact list table. You can then press "S" to get you
to the section of your list that has contacts beginning with that letter.
Vo+down to get to skype test call, vo+shift+M to invoke the contextual menu,
and press vo+space on call. You can then press cmd+shift+H to disconnect
when finished.
 
On Jan 30, 2013, at 1:32 PM, "Bill Holton"  wrote:



Yes, I did find that option, and I had it set to let Skype set the mike
volume.  No go.
And also, can you tell me where the option is to make a test call so I
don';t have to keep annoying my friends with failed attempts? 
list
 
 
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To:  
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Subject: Re: A few more beginner skype user questions
 
First, you need to go in to the prefs window by pressing command+coma.  Now,
you need to go to the audio devices tab.  You can get to this from the tool
bar.  Now, you need to stop interacting with the tool bar and VO right.  The
options are pretty self explanitory from there.  When a call comes in, i
just vo+right on the screen till I hear "answer".  Best way to do it for me.
 
HTH.
 
 
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Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
 
On Jan 30, 2013, at 3:03 PM, "Bill Holton" < 
bill32...@gmail.com> wrote:




Hi.
I am trying to move from PC to Mac with Skype.  A few very novice questions.
First, I used the let Skype set my microphone volume, but the recipient of
my call heard nothing.  What have I don't wrong here, is there a better way
to do this?
Is there a quick way to call up the contacts list?
Is there a quick way to answer a call when you're working in another app?
Thanks.
Bill
 
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Re: how do I remove a mailbox from my favorites bar in apple mail?

2013-01-31 Thread Alex Hall

Just for clarification, routing the mouse to the vo cursor is vo-cmd-f5.

Your method does sound very easy, but I'm on a mini so I always come at things 
from a keyboard-only perspective. Believe me, I wish I had a Macbook...
On Jan 31, 2013, at 2:20 AM, Nicholas Parsons  
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> My preferred method is as follows:
> 
>   •   Switch Mail into full screen mode. This is not necessary, but 
> makes things more reliable.
>   •   Interact with the favourites bar and move VO focus to the 
> mailbox you wish to remove.
>   •   Turn trackpad commander off by holding down the VO keys and 
> rotating two fingers counter clockwise.
>   •   Make sure the mouse pointer is over the mailbox you wish to 
> remove by pressing VO-F5. Not necessary, but prudent.
>   •   Press the trackpad down until you hear it click, and hold it 
> there. Then, while holding the trackpad down, drag your finger from the top 
> to the bottom of the trackpad. This can be done simply with one finger, but I 
> tend to hold down the trackpad with my left index finger, and then swipe down 
> from the top to the bottom of the trackpad with my right index finger.
>   •   Release the trackpad. YOu should then hear a swooshing noise 
> and the mailbox should no longer be in your favourites bar.
>   •   If you wish, reactivate the trackpad commander by holding down 
> the VO keys and rotating two fingers clockwise.
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Re: o. t.: Microsoft Office for Mac! Important: read and leave comments!

2013-01-31 Thread Eugenia Firth

Hi there
For myself, I have not used Microsoft office for the Mac, specifically because 
I was told it was inaccessible. Also, I don't want to pay $150 to find out. 
However, it's my understanding that Apple provides information to developers on 
how to make voiceover work with their software. Therefore, could she not have 
access to this?
Regards
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 31, 2013, at 4:45 AM, Paul Hunt  wrote:

> Hello. I use Microsoft Office every day and would like to give feedback. I 
> already have the Windows version. If Sarah can provide a copy of the software 
> and a nondisclosure agreement I'll be happy to test the versions side by 
> side. 
> 
> On Jan 31, 2013, at 2:34 AM, "J.P."  wrote:
> 
>> Hey guys, 
>> We are always saying how inaccessible Office for Mac is. The head of 
>> Microsoft's Mac accessibility team is reading this post. Those of you who 
>> have used the software, please give examples where we know it's 
>> inaccessible. Sara, who head's their team is giving us an opportunity that a 
>> lot of developers don't. I know for myself, I would rather load one piece of 
>> software. Rather then having to use a virtual machine. 
>> Thanks, J. p. 
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Re: o. t.: Microsoft Office for Mac! Important: read and leave comments!

2013-01-31 Thread Eugenia Firth

Hi there again
I am glad this lady is reading these posts because I want to point out that a 
lot of times when blind people go to the Apple Store to get there Max, people 
who don't know it's inaccessible, encourage the person to get Office for the 
Mac. Then, the blind person gets home, only to find out the can't use it. This 
happened to a blind friend of mine, and it almost happened to another blind 
friend of mine. Luckily, I was with her when she went to the Apple store. Also, 
the Apple employee almost added it to her software when she got her Mac 
computer, and I stopped her before she did it.
Regards,
GG

Sent from my iPhone

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> Hey guys, 
> We are always saying how inaccessible Office for Mac is. The head of 
> Microsoft's Mac accessibility team is reading this post. Those of you who 
> have used the software, please give examples where we know it's inaccessible. 
> Sara, who head's their team is giving us an opportunity that a lot of 
> developers don't. I know for myself, I would rather load one piece of 
> software. Rather then having to use a virtual machine. 
> Thanks, J. p. 
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Re: o. t.: Microsoft Office for Mac! Important: read and leave comments!

2013-01-31 Thread Richard Ring

If Microsoft was interested in making MS Office accessible on the Mac, it would 
have happened a long time ago. Microsoft has access to all the data that all 
developers have regarding how to create apps that are Voice Over accessible. 
They simply don't really see it as a priority imo.

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On Jan 31, 2013, at 9:19 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> Hi there
> For myself, I have not used Microsoft office for the Mac, specifically 
> because I was told it was inaccessible. Also, I don't want to pay $150 to 
> find out. However, it's my understanding that Apple provides information to 
> developers on how to make voiceover work with their software. Therefore, 
> could she not have access to this?
> Regards
> Gigi
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 31, 2013, at 4:45 AM, Paul Hunt  wrote:
> 
>> Hello. I use Microsoft Office every day and would like to give feedback. I 
>> already have the Windows version. If Sarah can provide a copy of the 
>> software and a nondisclosure agreement I'll be happy to test the versions 
>> side by side. 
>> 
>> On Jan 31, 2013, at 2:34 AM, "J.P."  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey guys, 
>>> We are always saying how inaccessible Office for Mac is. The head of 
>>> Microsoft's Mac accessibility team is reading this post. Those of you who 
>>> have used the software, please give examples where we know it's 
>>> inaccessible. Sara, who head's their team is giving us an opportunity that 
>>> a lot of developers don't. I know for myself, I would rather load one piece 
>>> of software. Rather then having to use a virtual machine. 
>>> Thanks, J. p. 
>>> 
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some virtual machine questions

2013-01-31 Thread Alex Hall

Hi all,
I just set up win7 in a vm through Virtualbox, and am having some odd problems.

First, my audio is very low, and the volume control seems to do nothing. The 
mac's volume is pretty loud, so I don't want to turn it up anymore. Is there 
anything I can do? Forums suggest an update to the Realtech drivers, but I 
don't see realtech in my sound devices.

Second, and more relevant to this list, some keys still have an effect even 
when I should be in "windows only" mode. Specifically, anything with f12 or 
control with arrows brings up that pointless dashboard. and some vo commands 
still get issued. For instance, I hit alt-f to go to the file menu, but that 
triggered my vo keyboard action to find the next form field. It is as though 
the mac is not letting go of the keyboard correctly. Has anyone experienced 
this?

Thanks for any help on either of these problems.


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Re: Recording Skype calls

2013-01-31 Thread Brandon Olivares

Hello,

I think your best bet is Audio Hijack Pro. I've been using this for a while 
now, and it works very well.

Regards,
Brandon Olivares
Azavia Technologies
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> Hi.
> What apps have people on this list found to be accessible with VO for 
> recording Skype audio calls?
> Thanks.Bill
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RE: Recording Skype calls

2013-01-31 Thread Bill Holton

Thanks.  Does it have a Skype plug in or do you have to start and stop it
manually?
 
 
 
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Hello,
 
I think your best bet is Audio Hijack Pro. I've been using this for a while
now, and it works very well.
 
Regards,
Brandon Olivares
Azavia Technologies  
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Hi.
What apps have people on this list found to be accessible with VO for
recording Skype audio calls?
Thanks.Bill
 
 
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Re: o. t.: Microsoft Office for Mac! Important: read and leave comments!

2013-01-31 Thread Chris Blouch

The 'chrome' of the office applications are accessible to the extent
that the menu and buttons are built from standard controls so they
inherit accessibility for free. Of course anything custom fails so the
font and size menus can't be actioned, although I can interact with them
and manually type in a size, but this doesn't work so well for picking a
font. Beyond that, I can't interact or so anything with the document,
pretty much eviscerating all the utility of the application.

As an aside, Microsoft claiming ignorance on this is is laughable. They
even say so on their Office Mac site:

http://mac2.microsoft.com/help/office/14/en-us/word/item/a1a31d9e-86f6-4bbb-b55e-6a25147e57e5

"VoiceOver does not work with the contents of the main document window
or the ribbon. For example, VoiceOver does not read your text in a
document."

What I find unusual is their description of VO support in the VPAT:

http://www.microsoft.com/government/en-us/products/section508/Pages/default.aspx

" VoiceOver functionality is operational for many menus, dialog boxes,
and other application elements. Text to Speech content is available, for
example, for text content within the document area."

This seems a bit disingenuous or at least has errors of omission such as
not being able to actually edit the text, the main point of a word
processor.

On 1/31/13 10:29 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:

Hi there again
I am glad this lady is reading these posts because I want to point out that a
lot of times when blind people go to the Apple Store to get there Max, people
who don't know it's inaccessible, encourage the person to get Office for the
Mac. Then, the blind person gets home, only to find out the can't use it. This
happened to a blind friend of mine, and it almost happened to another blind
friend of mine. Luckily, I was with her when she went to the Apple store. Also,
the Apple employee almost added it to her software when she got her Mac
computer, and I stopped her before she did it.
Regards,
GG

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On Jan 31, 2013, at 1:34 AM, "J.P." wrote:

Hey guys,
We are always saying how inaccessible Office for Mac is. The head of
Microsoft's Mac accessibility team is reading this post. Those of you who have
used the software, please give examples where we know it's inaccessible. Sara,
who head's their team is giving us an opportunity that a lot of developers
don't. I know for myself, I would rather load one piece of software. Rather
then having to use a virtual machine.
Thanks, J. p.

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