Re: iPhone 4S: is it really awesome?
Yes. It works in any and all edit fields excluding password fields. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On May 9, 2012, at 2:35 AM, Venkatesh Potluri wrote: > Thank you all for your suggestions. Can the dictation be used in edit field > of any app? Ya. Excluding the password fields. :) > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 09-May-2012, at 4:33 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote: > >> Hi Venkatesh >> I have not noticed a significant battery problem from my iPhone 4 and when i >> fot 4S. You might want to get a portable battery charger you can carry >> around. That's at I did, but I seldom have to use it from within my purse. >> >> I think the dictation feature is pretty good, but then I am doing it with a >> southern U.S. accent. Having said that, I have to be careful to say my words >> clearly so Siri will understand me. >> >> Regards, >> Gigi >> >> Eugenia Firth >> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net >> >> >> >> On May 8, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Venkatesh Potluri wrote: >> >>> Hi listers. >>> I am currently using an iPhone 3Gs. I am considering to get a new 4S. >>> I have a few questions. I am sorry for a long email. the 4S is an >>> expensive purchase so I wish to be very sure before I decide. >>> >>> >>> 1. I watched many videos of siri. from that, I learn it is really good >>> in speech recognition. well, since you will be using it daily, what do >>> you think about it's recognition capabilities? How good is it at >>> texting? I also saw a couple of posts in this list about vo and siri >>> not working properly together. Does it really prove to be >>> inconvenient? >>> 2. text dictation. >>> I read that there is an option to say the text we wish to type in an >>> edit field on pressing a microphone button on the keyboard. Is this >>> only in the messages app or works in any edit field (even in 3rd party >>> apps like Facebook and whatsapp messenger)? and, how is the accuracy >>> of the recognition? >>> 3. Looktel apps on 3GS vs 4S >>> I am planning to purchase the money reader and the recognizer in the >>> near future. Is there a significant performance difference in terms of >>> recognition time and accuracy? >>> 4. VO and battery in 3Gs vs 4S >>> since updating to iOs5, VO lags quite often. It responds late when I >>> move my finger on the touch keyboard and by the time I remove my >>> finger, it enters a different character from what I actually intended >>> to enter. Does this happen in the 4S too? and how is the battery life >>> of the phone after the 5.1 update? >>> Your suggestions would be of great value and will help me in making >>> the right choice. >>> Thank you for reading this long list of questions. >>> Regards >>> Venkatesh >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: backing up apps in itunes
Hi, I like the app saved on my computer. This is because I always update apps from my phone then check its accessibility after every update. If the update breaks accessibility, I can delete it, and just sync the old version back on my phone via iTunes. If you don't have a backup saved on your computer, you can not do this. You will just have to hope the developers of the app decide to fix accessibility in a future update. JMO. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On May 8, 2012, at 7:42 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: > Hey everyone, I'm wondering what everyone thinks of keeping their apps backed > up in itunes. Do most of you do this? The reason I ask is, since you can > redownload them if needed by going to the purchased tab in the app store, > I've thought about deleting them from my computers and freeing up several GB > of disk space. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Are there any Facebook clients out there that do the following?
Hi all, because Voiceover has focus issues with the main Facebook site, I was wondering if there any apps out there that are free where one can do the following. 1. view my friends posts. 2. to be able to comment on them and like them. I am aware that one can use the mobile site of Facebook but I personally like the main one because of its heading level navigation. Currently I use adium to chat with my FB friends so I thought well why not ask if there are any apps that can do the above. I look forward to suggestions and comments and by the way I am running Lion 7.3 update. Thank you for reading Daniel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Are there any Facebook clients out there that do the following?
The friend mail is a mail interface for Facebook that does what you want and more, and everything in your mail application. Claus http://thefriendmail.com/ Den 09-05-2012 10:32, Daniel McGee skrev: Hi all, because Voiceover has focus issues with the main Facebook site, I was wondering if there any apps out there that are free where one can do the following. 1. view my friends posts. 2. to be able to comment on them and like them. I am aware that one can use the mobile site of Facebook but I personally like the main one because of its heading level navigation. Currently I use adium to chat with my FB friends so I thought well why not ask if there are any apps that can do the above. I look forward to suggestions and comments and by the way I am running Lion 7.3 update. Thank you for reading Daniel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Are there any Facebook clients out there that do the following?
Another thing of interest could be an app for the iphone called vokul, spelled v o k u l. You talk to it, and it does what you tell it to, much like siri, but different. I like its way of doing things more than siri, but vokul cannot do all the things that siri can. Not for the mac, but just good to know. What you can do is say something like: hey vokul, play facebook. It will then log in for you, and read you all the new events there. Or you say: hey vokul, play twitter. And without any annoying http://www.who knows what dot com org slash so and so dot html, vokul will just say: Peter Fan posted a link and said: Here's what to do to get a drink out of a vogon. Stick your finger down his throat. As you can see, it mentions that there is a link but it won't read it. It's a great way to be updated quickly about what's happening on twitter and facebook. Another marvelous app for English minded people is briefcase. It's not for the mac but for the iphone, I know, but these are too exciting to not mention. On May 9, 2012, at 11:13 AM, Claus Thøgersen wrote: > The friend mail is a mail interface for Facebook that does what you want and > more, and everything in your mail application. > > Claus > > > http://thefriendmail.com/ > > Den 09-05-2012 10:32, Daniel McGee skrev: >> Hi all, because Voiceover has focus issues with the main Facebook site, I >> was wondering if there any apps out there that are free where one can do the >> following. >> 1. view my friends posts. >> 2. to be able to comment on them and like them. >> >> I am aware that one can use the mobile site of Facebook but I personally >> like the main one because of its heading level navigation. >> >> Currently I use adium to chat with my FB friends so I thought well why not >> ask if there are any apps that can do the above. >> >> I look forward to suggestions and comments and by the way I am running Lion >> 7.3 update. >> >> Thank you for reading >> >> Daniel >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
strange problem with my MBA and the internet
Hi all, On Sunday, for no apparent reason, I began experiencing problems connecting my Macbook Air to the internet. It doesn't seem to hold the connection to our wireless network, it is *ungodly slow sending and receiving mail and in opening websites. At the time this began, there had been no changes either to our network or to my MBA. Also, other computers and devices in the house don't seem to be experiencing the issue. Anyone have any thoughts as to what might be going on and how I can fix it? TIA, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Where Adaptation meets Accessibility
Dear All, About a year or so ago now, I wrote the below short paper covering the topic of Accessibility verse Adaptation. Given the discussion recently on a few mailing lists I'm subscribed to about making various Apps accessible, I thought this might provoke a few individuals into considering this topic a little more. Quite often I hear blind and low vision users stating that something should be easily made to work for us as blind users... Sure, in many instances this is true, but, in some instances, what we need or require goes beyond simple accessibility feature sets, and in fact becomes an adaptation. I very much welcome any feed back on the below, I hope it may help all of us to have a moment of reflection over our needs, requirements and expectations. When is adaptation more than simple accessibility? Up until recently adaptive technology was seen solely as a method of altering an item, or thing, to make it usable by a blind or low vision user; be it a device created from the ground up to meet the specific needs of this user group (e.g. Braille Note) or a multipurpose software package such as JAWS. At present a handful of global developers produce the majority of the technology used by the blind; this primarily encompasses adaptive technologies as apposed to simply accessible technology. The equipment is often simply replicating the function or feature of a mainstream device, but with specifically targeted functionality for the blind user base (defined controls, tactilely strong, speech output, braille interface). It’s all a number game Economically speaking this macro-market has kept the cost of adaptive technology at a premium; owing to the large overheads and often minuscule consumer base for these goods. In addition the cost of these goods is often hyper-inflated due to the additional support and after-sales contacts associated with the market (rightly or wrongly). This is in addition to highly expensive pre-sales visits to customers—many of whom often have neither the monetary means to purchase, or even a genuine requirement for said item. The costs of bring a product to market increase the overall cost, and can in part explain the often notable price discrepancy between adaptive and non-adaptive technology on sale. To put this into perspective, it has been estimated that pre and after sales support can add in excess of 50% to the total cost of any product purchased. One obvious solution to this situation might be to reduce the pre-sales visits to those who—after vetting—display a legitimate desire for the product; simply limiting home demonstrations and maximising the number of trade shows exhibited at can contribute significantly to reducing overall expenditure. In addition, support services could be offered in a more limited manner; with additional support being a premium service for either new users or those with more complex requirements. Focusing specifically on numbers; the market for much adaptive technology is less than 0.0001% of the sighted equivalent and in many cases less than this. This means that—usually owing to the failure of the original supplier to provision for this group—a small and highly specialised elite have assumed the role of catering for the blind community through adaptation. Behind the times and a brighter future When you consider screen reading software packages such as JAWS or Zoom Text, one can easily follow the process the developers have followed; a steady and methodical game of catch-up, in which they clamber to make mainstream software usable for this user group. All this means is that blind users have always been a few steps—if not more—behind technological developments in most fields. This has obviously led to a time delay being common place when blind users attempt to use the latest technology and can often cause difficulties in the employment sector. In large owing to blind users often not being able to utilise either the latest software versions—or worse, access bespoke packages. These include, but are not limited to, new and innovative technologies utilised in content dispersal such as Ajax, HTML5 and Java—which can hinder access not only to detailed and comprehensive data but also fundamental information contained in newspapers or travel applications. The recent steps of technology companies (such as Apple) providing access technology as part of their core functionality has seen the start of a new—and much anticipated—dawn for this user group. These past few years have seen Apple include screen reader and magnification tools directly in their product range (including personal computers, portable media devices). This technology redefines the market due to it being access technology but not in itself adaptive; it simply allows access to the product without any additional software being necessary. Of note is the notion of cost (or value); many claim this technology is free of charge,
deleting mail accounts
Morning all. I was wondering how do I completely remove a mail account from my mac running Lion? I messed up when creating one and when I try to do it over it keeps trying to pull up the wrong info that's stored somewhere on this thing. Any help would be great, thanks. May and Prince Noah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: anyone use Keynote?
hi. thanks for all this help. i have turned on presenter notes in the presenter display options, but still doesn't show them. will exporting as a pdf work for me since I have a movie in my presentation? many thanks. On May 8, 8:54 pm, Esther wrote: > Hi Philippa, Chris, and Others, > > I think the recommendation for presentations with Keynote is to export the > presentation as a PDF file using the "Export…" option that can be selected > from either the "File" menu or the "Share" menu on the Keynote menu bar, > choose an output format of PDF, and then display the PDF output using the > free app named "Skim". Skim has been described as "Preview on steroids". It > is similar to Preview, but has additional features. One of these features is > a "Presentation mode" for displaying presentation slides in PDF format > created by applications such as PowerPoint, Keynote, Open Office, or TeX > slide packages such as Beamer. To enter presentation mode, use the shortcut > Command-Option-P, or else go to the "View" menu to select this. You can also > set up your transition options with Command-Control-T. > > Note that presentation mode correctly displays your slides, which the > full-screen mode of Preview and Skim does not. And you can read all content > with VoiceOver using the PDF version of your presentation this way. This > subject was recently discussed on the Mac-access list, and you can read the > posted discussions for the thread, "accessing power point presentation on the > mac" at the Mail Archive web site for that list. I'll point you to one of > the relevant posts: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-acc...@mac-access.net/msg09136.html > Read down the thread using Control-N to access the next post. If you want to > read up the thread use Control-P to access the previous post. > > Skim is a Sourceforge project, but to find it, and most other Mac programs, > do a Google search for this software at the MacUpdate site by using > Command-Option-F to move to the Google search bar in Safari, then type "skim > macupdate" and press return. The MacUpdate site provides standard format > listings of software that includes a short description, basic information on > the latest version and its release date, information on whether this is a > paid or free app, and direct links to download the program and to visit the > developer's site. You can also read comments about the app, and suggestions > for alternatives. The MacUpdate page link for Skim > is:http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/24590/skim > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On May 8, 2012, at 3:50 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: > > > > > > > > > I found navigation while presenting to be buggy, at least with the usual > > 'dual screen' setup. I did find that after starting the presentation > > (command-option-p) that if I command-tab away from keynote and then > > command-tab back again VO focus seems to clear up and I can then navigate > > all the buttons and find the presenter's notes. Before that it was just > > weird and I couldn't find much of anything. Hope this works for you. > > > CB > > > On 5/8/12 7:36 AM, Philippa Woodcraft wrote: > >> hi. just trying to use keynote to do a presentation. i've added some > >> presenter notes but I can't find them with the VO curser when i play the > >> slide show. anyone haveany ideas? i've chosen "show presenter notes" in > >> the view menu but no difference. > >> many thanks. Philippa > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "MacVisionaries" group. > > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Getting live regions on a web page to automatically speak?
Hello again! To stop the monitoring , use the same command that starts it , Vo+command+shift+the number of your hotspot. Take care and if I can help, just tell me! SALUDOS, DANIELA R.T. MACNETICOS, APPLE Y ACCESIBILIDAD A TU ALCANCE. EN TWITTER: @macneticos NUESTRO BLOG EN: www.macneticus.blogspot.com Y EL PODCAST EN:` http://macneticos.libsyn.com El 08/05/2012, a las 12:00, Doug Lawlor escribió: > Hi, > I have made a hot spot and set it to monitor the activity taking place. This > seems to be working. Only question I have is how do I stop the monitoring if > I want too? Do I have to remove the hot spot? > > Thanks, > > Doug > > On 2012-05-07, at 11:55 PM, Daniela Rubio wrote: > >> Have you tried making a hotspot and monitoring it? >> >> SALUDOS, DANIELA R.T. >> MACNETICOS, APPLE Y ACCESIBILIDAD A TU ALCANCE. >> EN TWITTER: @macneticos >> NUESTRO BLOG EN: >> www.macneticus.blogspot.com >> Y EL PODCAST EN:` >> http://macneticos.libsyn.com >> >> >> >> El 07/05/2012, a las 15:22, Doug Lawlor escribió: >> >>> Hello list: >>> I am working with a binary options broker who has live regions on their web >>> site that update with pricing information. I can find the region and get it >>> to speak by arrowing over it using quickNav. I'm sure VO/left and right >>> arrows will do the same thing. The problem I am having is when I'm focused >>> on this region VoiceOver does not speak it as it's being updated. I have >>> Live regions enabled in the Web tab of the VoiceOver utility. Anyone else >>> have any pointers on this? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Doug >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
A problem with my home network
Hi listers, I can't seem to figure out how to get my iMac to remember the settings for my home network when I turn it off. The next time that I start the computer, I have to go through the steps to set up the network all over again, as if I never had done it--turn on Airport, create a new network, and turn on internet sharing. Any insight or suggestions for how to get the computer to remember these settings would be very much appreciated. Rafael Bejarano -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: A problem with my home network
How old is your iMac? There is a battery in there someplace that keeps things like the clock and some settings even when the machine is powered off and those batteries eventually wear out. I think 5 years or so is typical. CB On 5/9/12 12:07 PM, Bejarano, Rafael P. wrote: Hi listers, I can't seem to figure out how to get my iMac to remember the settings for my home network when I turn it off. The next time that I start the computer, I have to go through the steps to set up the network all over again, as if I never had done it--turn on Airport, create a new network, and turn on internet sharing. Any insight or suggestions for how to get the computer to remember these settings would be very much appreciated. Rafael Bejarano -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: backing up apps in itunes
So I made a similar argument with spending time deleting email in that it might not be worth your time. I have 134 apps in my iTunes Mobile Applications folder which consume about 1.6GB of space. Nothing to sneeze at but is it worth freeing up the space only to have the stuff come back again? If I'm tight enough on disk space that 1.6GB matters then maybe I need to think about upgrading my hard drive. I did notice that there were multiple copies of a few apps which I cleaned out. For example, I had two copies of HeyTell and I deleted the older one. Not sure if that will mess things up but I suspect not and didn't see a reason to keep older versions. CB On 5/9/12 3:08 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, I like the app saved on my computer. This is because I always update apps from my phone then check its accessibility after every update. If the update breaks accessibility, I can delete it, and just sync the old version back on my phone via iTunes. If you don't have a backup saved on your computer, you can not do this. You will just have to hope the developers of the app decide to fix accessibility in a future update. JMO. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On May 8, 2012, at 7:42 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: Hey everyone, I'm wondering what everyone thinks of keeping their apps backed up in itunes. Do most of you do this? The reason I ask is, since you can redownload them if needed by going to the purchased tab in the app store, I've thought about deleting them from my computers and freeing up several GB of disk space. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Getting live regions on a web page to automatically speak?
Same thing on Chrome, so this seems like a webkit bug. I tested on
Chrome 18.0.1025.168 and also tried the Canary build 20.0.1131.0. I
also tried the Webkit nightly version 5.1.5 7534.55.3 which also had
the same issue, so it's a family problem. Because it works fine with
NVDA I'm thinking my implementation is correct. I even tried the
Firefox nightly with VO support and it announced nothing. So it looked
like we're stuck on OSX as far as live region support is concerned.
CB
On 5/8/12 8:08 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
Does chrome behave any better?
JOn
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On May 8, 2012, at 10:49 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:
I went to reproduce the issue and ran into another one. For some reason I can't get
aria-atomic="false" working in Safari with Voiceover. I have a container on a
page like this:
and I stuff random numbers in there once every three seconds with a javascript
method like this:
function update(){
var r,f,d=document;
//Create a 5 digit random number
r=(""+Math.random()).substr(2,5);
//Create a span with the new entry and append it to the list
f=d.createElement("span");
f.innerHTML=r+"";
//Add it to the chat log
d.getElementById("box1").appendChild(f)
//Do it again in a little while
setTimeout("update()",3000);
}
What I expected was that as each number was injected into box1 the live region stuff would cause VO to read
it. What actually happened was that all the numbers were read. This would be the equivalent of setting
aria-atome="true" but it's supposed to default to "false". Event setting
atomic="false" had no effect. Running this same demo on Jaws on Firefox on Windows 7 works just
fine as does NVDA. So is seems like there is some kind of basic VO live-region weirdness.
CB
On 5/7/12 4:22 PM, Doug Lawlor wrote:
Hello list:
I am working with a binary options broker who has live regions on their web
site that update with pricing information. I can find the region and get it to
speak by arrowing over it using quickNav. I'm sure VO/left and right arrows
will do the same thing. The problem I am having is when I'm focused on this
region VoiceOver does not speak it as it's being updated. I have Live regions
enabled in the Web tab of the VoiceOver utility. Anyone else have any pointers
on this?
Thanks,
Doug
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Re: A problem with my home network
Thanks for your input. My iMac is three years old, and other functions requiring a battery (e.g., the clock) are working just fine. Rafael On May 9, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: > How old is your iMac? There is a battery in there someplace that keeps > things like the clock and some settings even when the machine is powered > off and those batteries eventually wear out. I think 5 years or so is > typical. > > CB > > On 5/9/12 12:07 PM, Bejarano, Rafael P. wrote: >> Hi listers, >> >> I can't seem to figure out how to get my iMac to remember the settings for >> my home network when I turn it off. The next time that I start the >> computer, I have to go through the steps to set up the network all over >> again, as if I never had done it--turn on Airport, create a new network, and >> turn on internet sharing. Any insight or suggestions for how to get the >> computer to remember these settings would be very much appreciated. >> >> Rafael Bejarano >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: A problem with my home network
Weird. Sounds like it's having trouble reading or writing the setup info. Might be worth trying the usual repair permissions just in case that fixes it. CB On 5/9/12 3:10 PM, Bejarano, Rafael P. wrote: Thanks for your input. My iMac is three years old, and other functions requiring a battery (e.g., the clock) are working just fine. Rafael On May 9, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: How old is your iMac? There is a battery in there someplace that keeps things like the clock and some settings even when the machine is powered off and those batteries eventually wear out. I think 5 years or so is typical. CB On 5/9/12 12:07 PM, Bejarano, Rafael P. wrote: Hi listers, I can't seem to figure out how to get my iMac to remember the settings for my home network when I turn it off. The next time that I start the computer, I have to go through the steps to set up the network all over again, as if I never had done it--turn on Airport, create a new network, and turn on internet sharing. Any insight or suggestions for how to get the computer to remember these settings would be very much appreciated. Rafael Bejarano -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Where Adaptation meets Accessibility
Hello Neil. I read your paper, and I think you're right on the money here. In the case of GPS, I just can't envision a really good software for us that the sighted would like as well. Sure, there are sighted people that would like a GPS that would operate the way most of us would prefer. But, I suspect most of them love and adore pictures. I say I can't envision it, but then this is no flat screen for the 2010 talking here. I didn't think flat screens were possible, and Apple showed me up and figured out how. Regards, Gigi Eugenia Firth gigifi...@sbcglobal.net On May 9, 2012, at 5:32 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > Dear All, > > About a year or so ago now, I wrote the below short paper covering the topic > of Accessibility verse Adaptation. > > Given the discussion recently on a few mailing lists I'm subscribed to about > making various Apps accessible, I thought this might provoke a few > individuals into considering this topic a little more. Quite often I hear > blind and low vision users stating that something should be easily made to > work for us as blind users... Sure, in many instances this is true, but, in > some instances, what we need or require goes beyond simple accessibility > feature sets, and in fact becomes an adaptation. > > I very much welcome any feed back on the below, I hope it may help all of us > to have a moment of reflection over our needs, requirements and expectations. > > When is adaptation more than simple accessibility? > > Up until recently adaptive technology was seen solely as a method of altering > an item, or thing, to make it usable by a blind or low vision user; be it a > device created from the ground up to meet the specific needs of this user > group (e.g. Braille Note) or a multipurpose software package such as JAWS. > > At present a handful of global developers produce the majority of the > technology used by the blind; this primarily encompasses adaptive > technologies as apposed to simply accessible technology. The equipment is > often simply replicating the function or feature of a mainstream device, but > with specifically targeted functionality for the blind user base (defined > controls, tactilely strong, speech output, braille interface). > > > It’s all a number game > > Economically speaking this macro-market has kept the cost of adaptive > technology at a premium; owing to the large overheads and often minuscule > consumer base for these goods. In addition the cost of these goods is often > hyper-inflated due to the additional support and after-sales contacts > associated with the market (rightly or wrongly). This is in addition to > highly expensive pre-sales visits to customers—many of whom often have > neither the monetary means to purchase, or even a genuine requirement for > said item. The costs of bring a product to market increase the overall cost, > and can in part explain the often notable price discrepancy between adaptive > and non-adaptive technology on sale. To put this into perspective, it has > been estimated that pre and after sales support can add in excess of 50% to > the total cost of any product purchased. > > One obvious solution to this situation might be to reduce the pre-sales > visits to those who—after vetting—display a legitimate desire for the > product; simply limiting home demonstrations and maximising the number of > trade shows exhibited at can contribute significantly to reducing overall > expenditure. In addition, support services could be offered in a more limited > manner; with additional support being a premium service for either new users > or those with more complex requirements. > > Focusing specifically on numbers; the market for much adaptive technology is > less than 0.0001% of the sighted equivalent and in many cases less than this. > This means that—usually owing to the failure of the original supplier to > provision for this group—a small and highly specialised elite have assumed > the role of catering for the blind community through adaptation. > > > Behind the times and a brighter future > > When you consider screen reading software packages such as JAWS or Zoom Text, > one can easily follow the process the developers have followed; a steady and > methodical game of catch-up, in which they clamber to make mainstream > software usable for this user group. All this means is that blind users have > always been a few steps—if not more—behind technological developments in most > fields. This has obviously led to a time delay being common place when blind > users attempt to use the latest technology and can often cause difficulties > in the employment sector. In large owing to blind users often not being able > to utilise either the latest software versions—or worse, access bespoke > packages. These include, but are not limited to, new and innovative > technologies utilised in content dispersal such as Ajax, HTML5 and Java—which >
Re: Where Adaptation meets Accessibility
Excellent paper Neil. I agree with the previous poster; you're right on the money. Cameron. On 5/9/12, Eugenia Firth wrote: > Hello Neil. > I read your paper, and I think you're right on the money here. In the case > of GPS, I just can't envision a really good software for us that the sighted > would like as well. Sure, there are sighted people that would like a GPS > that would operate the way most of us would prefer. But, I suspect most of > them love and adore pictures. I say I can't envision it, but then this is no > flat screen for the 2010 talking here. I didn't think flat screens were > possible, and Apple showed me up and figured out how. > > Regards, > Gigi > > Eugenia Firth > gigifi...@sbcglobal.net > > > > On May 9, 2012, at 5:32 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > >> Dear All, >> >> About a year or so ago now, I wrote the below short paper covering the >> topic of Accessibility verse Adaptation. >> >> Given the discussion recently on a few mailing lists I'm subscribed to >> about making various Apps accessible, I thought this might provoke a few >> individuals into considering this topic a little more. Quite often I hear >> blind and low vision users stating that something should be easily made to >> work for us as blind users... Sure, in many instances this is true, but, >> in some instances, what we need or require goes beyond simple >> accessibility feature sets, and in fact becomes an adaptation. >> >> I very much welcome any feed back on the below, I hope it may help all of >> us to have a moment of reflection over our needs, requirements and >> expectations. >> >> When is adaptation more than simple accessibility? >> >> Up until recently adaptive technology was seen solely as a method of >> altering an item, or thing, to make it usable by a blind or low vision >> user; be it a device created from the ground up to meet the specific needs >> of this user group (e.g. Braille Note) or a multipurpose software package >> such as JAWS. >> >> At present a handful of global developers produce the majority of the >> technology used by the blind; this primarily encompasses adaptive >> technologies as apposed to simply accessible technology. The equipment is >> often simply replicating the function or feature of a mainstream device, >> but with specifically targeted functionality for the blind user base >> (defined controls, tactilely strong, speech output, braille interface). >> >> >> It’s all a number game >> >> Economically speaking this macro-market has kept the cost of adaptive >> technology at a premium; owing to the large overheads and often minuscule >> consumer base for these goods. In addition the cost of these goods is >> often hyper-inflated due to the additional support and after-sales >> contacts associated with the market (rightly or wrongly). This is in >> addition to highly expensive pre-sales visits to customers—many of whom >> often have neither the monetary means to purchase, or even a genuine >> requirement for said item. The costs of bring a product to market increase >> the overall cost, and can in part explain the often notable price >> discrepancy between adaptive and non-adaptive technology on sale. To put >> this into perspective, it has been estimated that pre and after sales >> support can add in excess of 50% to the total cost of any product >> purchased. >> >> One obvious solution to this situation might be to reduce the pre-sales >> visits to those who—after vetting—display a legitimate desire for the >> product; simply limiting home demonstrations and maximising the number of >> trade shows exhibited at can contribute significantly to reducing overall >> expenditure. In addition, support services could be offered in a more >> limited manner; with additional support being a premium service for either >> new users or those with more complex requirements. >> >> Focusing specifically on numbers; the market for much adaptive technology >> is less than 0.0001% of the sighted equivalent and in many cases less than >> this. This means that—usually owing to the failure of the original >> supplier to provision for this group—a small and highly specialised elite >> have assumed the role of catering for the blind community through >> adaptation. >> >> >> Behind the times and a brighter future >> >> When you consider screen reading software packages such as JAWS or Zoom >> Text, one can easily follow the process the developers have followed; a >> steady and methodical game of catch-up, in which they clamber to make >> mainstream software usable for this user group. All this means is that >> blind users have always been a few steps—if not more—behind technological >> developments in most fields. This has obviously led to a time delay being >> common place when blind users attempt to use the latest technology and can >> often cause difficulties in the employment sector. In large owing to blind >> users often not being able to utilise either the latest software >> version
RE: A problem with my home network
I'll try that. Thanks. Rafael From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch [cblo...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 3:39 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: A problem with my home network Weird. Sounds like it's having trouble reading or writing the setup info. Might be worth trying the usual repair permissions just in case that fixes it. CB On 5/9/12 3:10 PM, Bejarano, Rafael P. wrote: > Thanks for your input. My iMac is three years old, and other functions > requiring a battery (e.g., the clock) are working just fine. > > Rafael > On May 9, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: > >> How old is your iMac? There is a battery in there someplace that keeps >> things like the clock and some settings even when the machine is powered >> off and those batteries eventually wear out. I think 5 years or so is >> typical. >> >> CB >> >> On 5/9/12 12:07 PM, Bejarano, Rafael P. wrote: >>> Hi listers, >>> >>> I can't seem to figure out how to get my iMac to remember the settings for >>> my home network when I turn it off. The next time that I start the >>> computer, I have to go through the steps to set up the network all over >>> again, as if I never had done it--turn on Airport, create a new network, >>> and turn on internet sharing. Any insight or suggestions for how to get >>> the computer to remember these settings would be very much appreciated. >>> >>> Rafael Bejarano >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
