Re: anyone else noticing mail.app wierdness?

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

have your tried using the google chrome browser?  It might work a little better 
on that site.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
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On Mar 22, 2012, at 1:55 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:

> oh yeah, I also get one other problem (unrelated to mail.app):
> any attempt to do anything more than simply browse the hotmail site results 
> in their non-standard javascript crashing Safari (and webkit). its getting to 
> be a real pain. Since I don't have windows (nor a spare machine to put it 
> on), I am stuck with messages in the spam folder that are not spam. anyone 
> have any clues on how to work around this?
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Mar 21, 2012, at 10:38 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I've been seeing this all day as well.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Mar 21, 2012, at 11:06 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>>> hello all..
>>> 
>>> I seem to be encountering some weirdness of late with mail.app and 
>>> hotmail.com. the weirdness is the fact that mail.app will work normally and 
>>> then kick up a dialog box saying that hotmail.com rejected my password. 
>>> since I have not changed my password in a long time and I routinely check 
>>> the hotmail site junk folder from their web interface, I am at a loss as to 
>>> what is actually causing this.
>>> 
>>> anyone here a mail.app guru?
>>> 
>>> -eric
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Re: anyone else noticing mail.app wierdness?

[Eric Oyen]

I can't get chrome to work under voiceover in snow leopard. every time I try, 
it segfaults on me or simply doesn't tell me anything (blank scroll area). 
chromevox doesn't like my system either. I would upgrade to lion or mountain 
lion, but my gear is just old enough to cause problems with the upgrade.

-eric

On Mar 22, 2012, at 12:36 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> have your tried using the google chrome browser?  It might work a little 
> better on that site.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Mar 22, 2012, at 1:55 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
>> oh yeah, I also get one other problem (unrelated to mail.app):
>> any attempt to do anything more than simply browse the hotmail site results 
>> in their non-standard javascript crashing Safari (and webkit). its getting 
>> to be a real pain. Since I don't have windows (nor a spare machine to put it 
>> on), I am stuck with messages in the spam folder that are not spam. anyone 
>> have any clues on how to work around this?
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Mar 21, 2012, at 10:38 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I've been seeing this all day as well.
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>> 
>>> On Mar 21, 2012, at 11:06 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>>> 
 hello all..
 
 I seem to be encountering some weirdness of late with mail.app and 
 hotmail.com. the weirdness is the fact that mail.app will work normally 
 and then kick up a dialog box saying that hotmail.com rejected my 
 password. since I have not changed my password in a long time and I 
 routinely check the hotmail site junk folder from their web interface, I 
 am at a loss as to what is actually causing this.
 
 anyone here a mail.app guru?
 
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Re: Drobo dashboard, is it accessible?

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Scott,

Absolutely, it was not my intention to say that, just bevause it is not 
accessible, we should give up on it... Or like wise, as it is expensive.

The DroBo is a good product, when it was unique in the market place, as in the 
Beyond RAID technology and the hot swap drive solution it was worth every penny.

Now though most venders have a solution that is comparable, and in every case 
I've found, notably cheaper too.

I have bought 4 DroBo's over my time, they are nice units in terms of the 
actual box, very Apple-essk in their feel and build. I do have issues with the 
drive bay flaps, which cover the bays when not in use, these are poorly made 
fin bits of plastic that are easily broken off, and have a single sided flimsy 
bit of metal to make them spring mounted.

The NetGear on the other hand is entirely metal, and far better build quality, 
and is more feature rich...

With droBo you have to choose either a FS (file server) or an iScsi connection, 
or USB. The NetGear ReadyNAS solutions at the higher end of their range, which 
are still half the price of the DroBo equivalent, has two RJ45 connections for 
both FS and iScsi duel interface, as well as a host of other options.

Anyway, I'm not here to sell you a NetGear solution, but can tell you that it 
works, and is notably more cost effective than a DroBo.


Regards,

Neil Barnfather

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On 21 Mar 2012, at 23:13, Scott Howell wrote:

Neil I hear you, but there is no reason not to explore the possibility to make 
the dashboard accessible as well. I have a WD solution that has a pretty 
difficult html interface and it gets the job done as well. However, I would 
certainly not discourage anyone from using a solution just because of the price 
or interface if that is what they really wanted to use. I do not know much 
about the Net Gear products, but I assume they allow you to hotswap drives as 
well?

On Mar 21, 2012, at 8:30 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:

> No, the DroBo dash board is not accessible, from both an accessibility and 
> cost point, the NetGear ReadyNAS appliances are both accessible, using an 
> HTML based interface, but also far cheaper and just as reliable in my 
> experience.
> 
> They also take advantage of a sort of expandable flexible RAID solution 
> NetGear call X-RAID, essentially the same as Beyond RAID which DroBo uses.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> 
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> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
> 
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> 
> On 20 Mar 2012, at 22:35, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> All,
>> 
>> I was talking with someone today about nas devices and some issues I have 
>> been having. He mentioned the Drobo which I know is pretty expensive and he 
>> was explaining that you access the Drobo via a dashboard app that also 
>> requires you to install java. I asked if he had ever thought to see if it 
>> were compatible with VoiceOver, but he did not. So, I was curious if anyone 
>> on the list has used a Drobo and can comment on the accessibility of the 
>> Dashboard.
>> I'll post my other issue in a separate post regarding my nas problem.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
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Re: Drobo dashboard, is it accessible?

[Scott Howell]

Neil,

Ok, sorry if I misunderstood your message. Btw, I understand that Drobo has 
gone to some sort of magnetic solution for the door flap. Which Netgear did you 
choose? I am not as familiar with their products, but I would be curious how 
accessible is the interface and what made you choose the Netgear. THe WD's 
interface is really tricky just because of the fact it refreshes at odd times 
and things just behave in a really curious way. :)

THanks,

On Mar 22, 2012, at 5:20 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:

> Scott,
> 
> Absolutely, it was not my intention to say that, just bevause it is not 
> accessible, we should give up on it... Or like wise, as it is expensive.
> 
> The DroBo is a good product, when it was unique in the market place, as in 
> the Beyond RAID technology and the hot swap drive solution it was worth every 
> penny.
> 
> Now though most venders have a solution that is comparable, and in every case 
> I've found, notably cheaper too.
> 
> I have bought 4 DroBo's over my time, they are nice units in terms of the 
> actual box, very Apple-essk in their feel and build. I do have issues with 
> the drive bay flaps, which cover the bays when not in use, these are poorly 
> made fin bits of plastic that are easily broken off, and have a single sided 
> flimsy bit of metal to make them spring mounted.
> 
> The NetGear on the other hand is entirely metal, and far better build 
> quality, and is more feature rich...
> 
> With droBo you have to choose either a FS (file server) or an iScsi 
> connection, or USB. The NetGear ReadyNAS solutions at the higher end of their 
> range, which are still half the price of the DroBo equivalent, has two RJ45 
> connections for both FS and iScsi duel interface, as well as a host of other 
> options.
> 
> Anyway, I'm not here to sell you a NetGear solution, but can tell you that it 
> works, and is notably more cost effective than a DroBo.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> 
> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your
> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
> 
> URL: - www.talknav.com
> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
> 
> 
> 
> On 21 Mar 2012, at 23:13, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
> Neil I hear you, but there is no reason not to explore the possibility to 
> make the dashboard accessible as well. I have a WD solution that has a pretty 
> difficult html interface and it gets the job done as well. However, I would 
> certainly not discourage anyone from using a solution just because of the 
> price or interface if that is what they really wanted to use. I do not know 
> much about the Net Gear products, but I assume they allow you to hotswap 
> drives as well?
> 
> On Mar 21, 2012, at 8:30 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:
> 
>> No, the DroBo dash board is not accessible, from both an accessibility and 
>> cost point, the NetGear ReadyNAS appliances are both accessible, using an 
>> HTML based interface, but also far cheaper and just as reliable in my 
>> experience.
>> 
>> They also take advantage of a sort of expandable flexible RAID solution 
>> NetGear call X-RAID, essentially the same as Beyond RAID which DroBo uses.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Neil Barnfather
>> 
>> Talks List Administrator
>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>> 
>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
>> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>> 
>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>> 
>> On 20 Mar 2012, at 22:35, Scott Howell wrote:
>> 
>>> All,
>>> 
>>> I was talking with someone today about nas devices and some issues I have 
>>> been having. He mentioned the Drobo which I know is pretty expensive and he 
>>> was explaining that you access the Drobo via a dashboard app that also 
>>> requires you to install java. I asked if he had ever thought to see if it 
>>> were compatible with VoiceOver, but he did not. So, I was curious if anyone 
>>> on the list has used a Drobo and can comment on the accessibility of the 
>>> Dashboard.
>>> I'll post my other issue in a separate post regarding my nas problem.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
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Re: someone using adium?

[Elena Brescacin]

hi, nothing to do
yesterday i tried to use "default notifications" but adium did not
talk at all! to make it talk i must turn voiceover off all the time!
Growl is out right now, I uninstalled both app and preference files
stored on the system. But nothing changed


2012/3/21, Elena Brescacin :
> I'll try to change configuration to default!
> This evening, when I go back home, here in office I do not have my mac book
> pro
> I just set up audio notifications, for the collection of events. but
> maybe it'd be better with defaults.
>
>
> 2012/3/21, May McDonald :
>> Ok, almost the same except steps 4 and 5.
>>
>> When you do steps one and two, if you look there will be a area where it
>> says default. If you leave that and then go to your step three and do
>> everything there, pick an event, tell it to speak, play a sound and
>> whatever
>> else you want, once you press ok it should ask if you want to have the
>> name
>> say default copy. Say yes there and then go through the rest of the
>> events
>> you want to change and they will all be under the default copy section.
>>
>> That should work.
>>
>> May
>> On 2012-03-21, at 5:17 AM, Elena Brescacin wrote:
>>
>>> yep! I give you the procedure right now. Correct me if something is
>>> wrong; well I do not know exact English words because I have adium in
>>> my mother language but the concept is the same!
>>> 1. opening the preference dialog box
>>> 2. interacting with the toolbar and choosing events
>>> 3. choosing preferred event - for example, received message
>>> 4. setting it up with "read aloud"
>>> It asks to give a name to the set of event notifications, I just
>>> called it "audio notification - copy"
>>> of course you can add as many events you want with the events table,
>>> pressing the add button at the end of window.
>>> The funny thing is, that even if it's set correctly, it speaks only if
>>> voiceover is turned off!
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Re: someone using adium?

[May McDonald]

Do you have Skype? If so, are you able to meet me there and I can try and walk 
you through it.

May
On 2012-03-22, at 6:00 AM, Elena Brescacin wrote:

> hi, nothing to do
> yesterday i tried to use "default notifications" but adium did not
> talk at all! to make it talk i must turn voiceover off all the time!
> Growl is out right now, I uninstalled both app and preference files
> stored on the system. But nothing changed
> 
> 
> 2012/3/21, Elena Brescacin :
>> I'll try to change configuration to default!
>> This evening, when I go back home, here in office I do not have my mac book
>> pro
>> I just set up audio notifications, for the collection of events. but
>> maybe it'd be better with defaults.
>> 
>> 
>> 2012/3/21, May McDonald :
>>> Ok, almost the same except steps 4 and 5.
>>> 
>>> When you do steps one and two, if you look there will be a area where it
>>> says default. If you leave that and then go to your step three and do
>>> everything there, pick an event, tell it to speak, play a sound and
>>> whatever
>>> else you want, once you press ok it should ask if you want to have the
>>> name
>>> say default copy. Say yes there and then go through the rest of the
>>> events
>>> you want to change and they will all be under the default copy section.
>>> 
>>> That should work.
>>> 
>>> May
>>> On 2012-03-21, at 5:17 AM, Elena Brescacin wrote:
>>> 
 yep! I give you the procedure right now. Correct me if something is
 wrong; well I do not know exact English words because I have adium in
 my mother language but the concept is the same!
 1. opening the preference dialog box
 2. interacting with the toolbar and choosing events
 3. choosing preferred event - for example, received message
 4. setting it up with "read aloud"
 It asks to give a name to the set of event notifications, I just
 called it "audio notification - copy"
 of course you can add as many events you want with the events table,
 pressing the add button at the end of window.
 The funny thing is, that even if it's set correctly, it speaks only if
 voiceover is turned off!
 
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Re: someone using adium?

[irid domnori]

Hi,
I'm having the same problem with growl and adium.
My sky  name is at the bottom of my messages as a signature.

irid domnori
irid.domn...@gmail.com
contatto skype: superirid



Il giorno 22/mar/2012, alle ore 13:54, May McDonald ha scritto:

Do you have Skype? If so, are you able to meet me there and I can try and walk 
you through it.

May
On 2012-03-22, at 6:00 AM, Elena Brescacin wrote:

> hi, nothing to do
> yesterday i tried to use "default notifications" but adium did not
> talk at all! to make it talk i must turn voiceover off all the time!
> Growl is out right now, I uninstalled both app and preference files
> stored on the system. But nothing changed
> 
> 
> 2012/3/21, Elena Brescacin :
>> I'll try to change configuration to default!
>> This evening, when I go back home, here in office I do not have my mac book
>> pro
>> I just set up audio notifications, for the collection of events. but
>> maybe it'd be better with defaults.
>> 
>> 
>> 2012/3/21, May McDonald :
>>> Ok, almost the same except steps 4 and 5.
>>> 
>>> When you do steps one and two, if you look there will be a area where it
>>> says default. If you leave that and then go to your step three and do
>>> everything there, pick an event, tell it to speak, play a sound and
>>> whatever
>>> else you want, once you press ok it should ask if you want to have the
>>> name
>>> say default copy. Say yes there and then go through the rest of the
>>> events
>>> you want to change and they will all be under the default copy section.
>>> 
>>> That should work.
>>> 
>>> May
>>> On 2012-03-21, at 5:17 AM, Elena Brescacin wrote:
>>> 
 yep! I give you the procedure right now. Correct me if something is
 wrong; well I do not know exact English words because I have adium in
 my mother language but the concept is the same!
 1. opening the preference dialog box
 2. interacting with the toolbar and choosing events
 3. choosing preferred event - for example, received message
 4. setting it up with "read aloud"
 It asks to give a name to the set of event notifications, I just
 called it "audio notification - copy"
 of course you can add as many events you want with the events table,
 pressing the add button at the end of window.
 The funny thing is, that even if it's set correctly, it speaks only if
 voiceover is turned off!
 
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Re: someone using adium?

[Elena Brescacin]

may: i have skype
but right now I am at work, so I cannot have voice calls I just have chats


2012/3/22, irid domnori :
> Hi,
> I'm having the same problem with growl and adium.
> My sky  name is at the bottom of my messages as a signature.
>
> irid domnori
> irid.domn...@gmail.com
> contatto skype: superirid
>
>
>
> Il giorno 22/mar/2012, alle ore 13:54, May McDonald ha scritto:
>
> Do you have Skype? If so, are you able to meet me there and I can try and
> walk you through it.
>
> May
> On 2012-03-22, at 6:00 AM, Elena Brescacin wrote:
>
>> hi, nothing to do
>> yesterday i tried to use "default notifications" but adium did not
>> talk at all! to make it talk i must turn voiceover off all the time!
>> Growl is out right now, I uninstalled both app and preference files
>> stored on the system. But nothing changed
>>
>>
>> 2012/3/21, Elena Brescacin :
>>> I'll try to change configuration to default!
>>> This evening, when I go back home, here in office I do not have my mac
>>> book
>>> pro
>>> I just set up audio notifications, for the collection of events. but
>>> maybe it'd be better with defaults.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2012/3/21, May McDonald :
 Ok, almost the same except steps 4 and 5.

 When you do steps one and two, if you look there will be a area where it
 says default. If you leave that and then go to your step three and do
 everything there, pick an event, tell it to speak, play a sound and
 whatever
 else you want, once you press ok it should ask if you want to have the
 name
 say default copy. Say yes there and then go through the rest of the
 events
 you want to change and they will all be under the default copy section.

 That should work.

 May
 On 2012-03-21, at 5:17 AM, Elena Brescacin wrote:

> yep! I give you the procedure right now. Correct me if something is
> wrong; well I do not know exact English words because I have adium in
> my mother language but the concept is the same!
> 1. opening the preference dialog box
> 2. interacting with the toolbar and choosing events
> 3. choosing preferred event - for example, received message
> 4. setting it up with "read aloud"
> It asks to give a name to the set of event notifications, I just
> called it "audio notification - copy"
> of course you can add as many events you want with the events table,
> pressing the add button at the end of window.
> The funny thing is, that even if it's set correctly, it speaks only if
> voiceover is turned off!
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Re: someone using adium?

[May McDonald]

I don't use growl though because it completely annoyed me. I just have adium 
with voiceover going.

Skype CanadianLynx2010

I'll sign on shortly.
On 2012-03-22, at 7:57 AM, irid domnori wrote:

> Hi,
> I'm having the same problem with growl and adium.
> My sky  name is at the bottom of my messages as a signature.
> 
> irid domnori
> irid.domn...@gmail.com
> contatto skype: superirid
> 
> 
> 
> Il giorno 22/mar/2012, alle ore 13:54, May McDonald ha scritto:
> 
> Do you have Skype? If so, are you able to meet me there and I can try and 
> walk you through it.
> 
> May
> On 2012-03-22, at 6:00 AM, Elena Brescacin wrote:
> 
>> hi, nothing to do
>> yesterday i tried to use "default notifications" but adium did not
>> talk at all! to make it talk i must turn voiceover off all the time!
>> Growl is out right now, I uninstalled both app and preference files
>> stored on the system. But nothing changed
>> 
>> 
>> 2012/3/21, Elena Brescacin :
>>> I'll try to change configuration to default!
>>> This evening, when I go back home, here in office I do not have my mac book
>>> pro
>>> I just set up audio notifications, for the collection of events. but
>>> maybe it'd be better with defaults.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2012/3/21, May McDonald :
 Ok, almost the same except steps 4 and 5.
 
 When you do steps one and two, if you look there will be a area where it
 says default. If you leave that and then go to your step three and do
 everything there, pick an event, tell it to speak, play a sound and
 whatever
 else you want, once you press ok it should ask if you want to have the
 name
 say default copy. Say yes there and then go through the rest of the
 events
 you want to change and they will all be under the default copy section.
 
 That should work.
 
 May
 On 2012-03-21, at 5:17 AM, Elena Brescacin wrote:
 
> yep! I give you the procedure right now. Correct me if something is
> wrong; well I do not know exact English words because I have adium in
> my mother language but the concept is the same!
> 1. opening the preference dialog box
> 2. interacting with the toolbar and choosing events
> 3. choosing preferred event - for example, received message
> 4. setting it up with "read aloud"
> It asks to give a name to the set of event notifications, I just
> called it "audio notification - copy"
> of course you can add as many events you want with the events table,
> pressing the add button at the end of window.
> The funny thing is, that even if it's set correctly, it speaks only if
> voiceover is turned off!
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Re: someone using adium?

[May McDonald]

Ah ok. I can walk you through it later if that works for you. Easier to talk 
you through it instead of trying to text back and forth. That way I can hear 
what's going on.

May
On 2012-03-22, at 8:01 AM, Elena Brescacin wrote:

> may: i have skype
> but right now I am at work, so I cannot have voice calls I just have chats
> 
> 
> 2012/3/22, irid domnori :
>> Hi,
>> I'm having the same problem with growl and adium.
>> My sky  name is at the bottom of my messages as a signature.
>> 
>> irid domnori
>> irid.domn...@gmail.com
>> contatto skype: superirid
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Il giorno 22/mar/2012, alle ore 13:54, May McDonald ha scritto:
>> 
>> Do you have Skype? If so, are you able to meet me there and I can try and
>> walk you through it.
>> 
>> May
>> On 2012-03-22, at 6:00 AM, Elena Brescacin wrote:
>> 
>>> hi, nothing to do
>>> yesterday i tried to use "default notifications" but adium did not
>>> talk at all! to make it talk i must turn voiceover off all the time!
>>> Growl is out right now, I uninstalled both app and preference files
>>> stored on the system. But nothing changed
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2012/3/21, Elena Brescacin :
 I'll try to change configuration to default!
 This evening, when I go back home, here in office I do not have my mac
 book
 pro
 I just set up audio notifications, for the collection of events. but
 maybe it'd be better with defaults.
 
 
 2012/3/21, May McDonald :
> Ok, almost the same except steps 4 and 5.
> 
> When you do steps one and two, if you look there will be a area where it
> says default. If you leave that and then go to your step three and do
> everything there, pick an event, tell it to speak, play a sound and
> whatever
> else you want, once you press ok it should ask if you want to have the
> name
> say default copy. Say yes there and then go through the rest of the
> events
> you want to change and they will all be under the default copy section.
> 
> That should work.
> 
> May
> On 2012-03-21, at 5:17 AM, Elena Brescacin wrote:
> 
>> yep! I give you the procedure right now. Correct me if something is
>> wrong; well I do not know exact English words because I have adium in
>> my mother language but the concept is the same!
>> 1. opening the preference dialog box
>> 2. interacting with the toolbar and choosing events
>> 3. choosing preferred event - for example, received message
>> 4. setting it up with "read aloud"
>> It asks to give a name to the set of event notifications, I just
>> called it "audio notification - copy"
>> of course you can add as many events you want with the events table,
>> pressing the add button at the end of window.
>> The funny thing is, that even if it's set correctly, it speaks only if
>> voiceover is turned off!
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skype

[May McDonald]

Oops, correction. I'll be on the computer again at 3 EST and I'll turn my Skype 
on then.

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Re: Drobo dashboard, is it accessible?

[Doug Lawlor]

Hi Scott,
Thanks for following up on this. The strange thing is that the earlier versions 
of the software were quite accessible. It was when they reached version 2 the 
problems started. Looking forward to seeing what you can find out. 

Doug


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On 2012-03-21, at 8:39 PM, Scott Howell  wrote:

> Doug, I make no promises and I cannot even tell you what will come of this. 
> However, I have been working through a vendor who has connected me to a nice 
> young lady named Abby at Drobo and she is going to start researching things 
> on her end. I would love to have some resources on how Java-based apps can be 
> made accessible. I suspect the reason they went this route is to be 
> cross-platform compatible. THe more folks I know that want access to the 
> Drobo, the more likely I can make some headway because it is all about the 
> level of demand and the potential market for these products.
> 
> On Mar 20, 2012, at 9:28 PM, Doug Lawlor wrote:
> 
>> Hi Skott,
>> As of this writing Drobo Dashboard is not accessible. When you launch the 
>> program VoiceOver does not see the program's controls. It would be nice if 
>> we could get in contact with the developer and get them to do something 
>> about this problem. I havent been able to update a Drobo FS in months 
>> because of this
>> 
>> Doug
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 2012-03-20, at 8:05 PM, Scott Howell  wrote:
>> 
>>> All,
>>> 
>>> I was talking with someone today about nas devices and some issues I have 
>>> been having. He mentioned the Drobo which I know is pretty expensive and he 
>>> was explaining that you access the Drobo via a dashboard app that also 
>>> requires you to install java. I asked if he had ever thought to see if it 
>>> were compatible with VoiceOver, but he did not. So, I was curious if anyone 
>>> on the list has used a Drobo and can comment on the accessibility of the 
>>> Dashboard.
>>> I'll post my other issue in a separate post regarding my nas problem.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
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Skype video calls

[joseph]

hello list

how to make video calls using the latest Skype and lion?

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Re: someone using adium?

[Elena Brescacin]

yes maybe... i have not english speaking computer though
some one proposed me to try changing system language and play with it
in english for example to see if the problem is another.


2012/3/22, May McDonald :
> Ah ok. I can walk you through it later if that works for you. Easier to talk
> you through it instead of trying to text back and forth. That way I can hear
> what's going on.
>
> May
> On 2012-03-22, at 8:01 AM, Elena Brescacin wrote:
>
>> may: i have skype
>> but right now I am at work, so I cannot have voice calls I just have chats
>>
>>
>> 2012/3/22, irid domnori :
>>> Hi,
>>> I'm having the same problem with growl and adium.
>>> My sky  name is at the bottom of my messages as a signature.
>>>
>>> irid domnori
>>> irid.domn...@gmail.com
>>> contatto skype: superirid
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Il giorno 22/mar/2012, alle ore 13:54, May McDonald ha scritto:
>>>
>>> Do you have Skype? If so, are you able to meet me there and I can try and
>>> walk you through it.
>>>
>>> May
>>> On 2012-03-22, at 6:00 AM, Elena Brescacin wrote:
>>>
 hi, nothing to do
 yesterday i tried to use "default notifications" but adium did not
 talk at all! to make it talk i must turn voiceover off all the time!
 Growl is out right now, I uninstalled both app and preference files
 stored on the system. But nothing changed


 2012/3/21, Elena Brescacin :
> I'll try to change configuration to default!
> This evening, when I go back home, here in office I do not have my mac
> book
> pro
> I just set up audio notifications, for the collection of events. but
> maybe it'd be better with defaults.
>
>
> 2012/3/21, May McDonald :
>> Ok, almost the same except steps 4 and 5.
>>
>> When you do steps one and two, if you look there will be a area where
>> it
>> says default. If you leave that and then go to your step three and do
>> everything there, pick an event, tell it to speak, play a sound and
>> whatever
>> else you want, once you press ok it should ask if you want to have the
>> name
>> say default copy. Say yes there and then go through the rest of the
>> events
>> you want to change and they will all be under the default copy
>> section.
>>
>> That should work.
>>
>> May
>> On 2012-03-21, at 5:17 AM, Elena Brescacin wrote:
>>
>>> yep! I give you the procedure right now. Correct me if something is
>>> wrong; well I do not know exact English words because I have adium in
>>> my mother language but the concept is the same!
>>> 1. opening the preference dialog box
>>> 2. interacting with the toolbar and choosing events
>>> 3. choosing preferred event - for example, received message
>>> 4. setting it up with "read aloud"
>>> It asks to give a name to the set of event notifications, I just
>>> called it "audio notification - copy"
>>> of course you can add as many events you want with the events table,
>>> pressing the add button at the end of window.
>>> The funny thing is, that even if it's set correctly, it speaks only
>>> if
>>> voiceover is turned off!
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Re: Drobo dashboard, is it accessible?

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Scott,

I've had two NetGear ReadyNAS units to date, Having previously used DroBo ones.

I started out with the 4 bay unit, I think called the ReadyNAS NV+ and sold 
that recently and upgraded to the newer model of the same unit.

The new model supports both iScsi and regular FS at the same time, so really 
handy if you have one machine on all the time and do a lot of file movements to 
your NAS... But, it also supports FS at the same time, so you get the benefit 
of your iOS devices and other computers on your network having access to the 
unit.

The latest model supports the full Sata2 speeds and is notably faster with my 
WD RE4 2TB drives.

It also can backup to either a USB hard drive connected to it, or over the 
network / internet to another location. I have an old DroBo in a different 
building from here with some old drives running RAID0, i.e. stripe rather than 
any form of mirroring, this means that I get a complete copy of my data off of 
my NAS, so the likelihood of both failing at the same time is remote to say the 
least.

My main NAS runs with X-RAID, NetGear's version of Beyond RAID running on it, 
and thus I have expandability to 3TB dries if needs be, as the system is 
hot-swapable, and also redundant by one drive. Effectively RAID5.

There are no nasty auto refresh sections of the NetGear ReadyNAS HTML 
interface, it works very well, and I found it very easy to setup...

You have the usual sort of options ranging from, I'm a pro, to, just manage it 
all for me.

Well made, solid unit with a real feeling of build quality to it.

Not sure when DroBo started putting magnetic flaps on, I've bought DroBo up and 
until the end of last year, buying one of their 5 bay FS machines, whilst yes 
the front removable cover is magnetic, and always has been with DroBo. The 
plastic flaps which seal the hard drive bays when not in use, are plastic and 
of poor quality and design, with a single side spring metal clasp to keep them 
shut... I've broken quite a few, and reading online, so have many others.


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On 22 Mar 2012, at 09:45, Scott Howell wrote:

Neil,

Ok, sorry if I misunderstood your message. Btw, I understand that Drobo has 
gone to some sort of magnetic solution for the door flap. Which Netgear did you 
choose? I am not as familiar with their products, but I would be curious how 
accessible is the interface and what made you choose the Netgear. THe WD's 
interface is really tricky just because of the fact it refreshes at odd times 
and things just behave in a really curious way. :)

THanks,

On Mar 22, 2012, at 5:20 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:

> Scott,
> 
> Absolutely, it was not my intention to say that, just bevause it is not 
> accessible, we should give up on it... Or like wise, as it is expensive.
> 
> The DroBo is a good product, when it was unique in the market place, as in 
> the Beyond RAID technology and the hot swap drive solution it was worth every 
> penny.
> 
> Now though most venders have a solution that is comparable, and in every case 
> I've found, notably cheaper too.
> 
> I have bought 4 DroBo's over my time, they are nice units in terms of the 
> actual box, very Apple-essk in their feel and build. I do have issues with 
> the drive bay flaps, which cover the bays when not in use, these are poorly 
> made fin bits of plastic that are easily broken off, and have a single sided 
> flimsy bit of metal to make them spring mounted.
> 
> The NetGear on the other hand is entirely metal, and far better build 
> quality, and is more feature rich...
> 
> With droBo you have to choose either a FS (file server) or an iScsi 
> connection, or USB. The NetGear ReadyNAS solutions at the higher end of their 
> range, which are still half the price of the DroBo equivalent, has two RJ45 
> connections for both FS and iScsi duel interface, as well as a host of other 
> options.
> 
> Anyway, I'm not here to sell you a NetGear solution, but can tell you that it 
> works, and is notably more cost effective than a DroBo.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
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> 
> On 21 Mar 2012, at 23:13, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
> Neil I hear you, but there is no reason not to explore the possibility to 
> make the dashboard accessible as well. I have a WD solution that has a pretty 
> difficult html interface and it gets the job done as well. However, I would 
> certainly not discourage anyone from using a solution just 

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Re: Help on keyboard problem

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi Moses.
I have a suggestion of how the setting get changed. If the rotar is set on the 
option and you happen to flick your finger on the right place on the screen, 
then you can make a change. VoiceOver does say it, but I can see how it could 
not be noticed. 

If I am annoyed by this, I just set the rotar on something like speech rate so 
that nothing drastic gets changed. 

Regards, 
Gigi 

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On Mar 21, 2012, at 10:38 AM, Moses Choo wrote:

> Hi Ricardo and all, My was just due to a setting of entry mode set to touch
> typing. Frankly, I do not know how the setting was accidently changed. After
> chatting with friends, we have three of us in Malaysia who have experienced
> such a case.  Hope this will be of help to others. 
> 
> Regards,
> Moses.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Moses Choo
> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 9:30 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Help on keyboard problem
> 
> Hi Ricardo,
> 
> Thanks for responding.   I have already tried the following.
> 
> 1.Rebooting the phone 
> 2.Set for forget all my bluetooth keyboards.
> 
> What I have not done is to use the reset to factory default. My phone is an
> iPhone 4 and I have upgraded to version 5.1.  If I were to reset, will it go
> back to version 4.1? 
> 
> Frankly, I think it is the Voiceover that is at problem.  Is that a way for
> me just to reinstall the Voiceover? 
> 
> Everything works well accept when I want to key in numbers or letters.  All
> other work fine.  I also face this problem when I  reboot and would have to
> key in my 4 digit pin. The only way to do it is to turn off the Voiceover
> and get someone who can see to help me. 
> 
> However, when I use my bluetooth keyboard, it works okay.  There are times
> that I do not bring along my keyboard, hence I would like to be able to use
> the screen keyboard as wel..
> 
> I look forward to some advice. 
> 
> Regards
> Moses.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 5:13 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Help on keyboard problem
> 
> Hi,
> 
> try going to settings/general/bluetooth and have the phone forget the other
> BT keyboards you've paired and restart the phone.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
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> 
> On Mar 20, 2012, at 12:04 PM, Moses Choo  wrote:
> 
>> Dear all,
>> 
>> I have installed several Bluetooth keyboard recently and have landed 
>> my
> self in a little problem.  My last was to install the RIVO Bluetooth
> keyboard.
>> 
>> Now when I do not want to use any Bluetooth keyboard,  my iphone 
>> keyboard
> does not seem to respond well. This problem is present in the following
> situations.
>> 1.   Dialing,
>> 2.   2.   Keying in SMS,
>> 3.   3.   Keying in passwords for updating.
>> 
>> I will be able to click the shift key, however, when typing other 
>> keys,
> the key board just doesn't respond. However, if I turn off the Voiceover and
> use it as a normal iphone, than it will be okay.  
>> 
>> Would appreciate some form of advice.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Moses.
>> 
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Re: Mac Book Air & cooling fan?

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

My Air runs cool 99% of the time, the only time it heats up is if I am 
downloading and installing a huge Apple update, or if I am adding a lot of huge 
files, such as copying a large video file etc.

but, even then the fans only come on for as long as that process lasts.

I stream high def video over my network to the Air, and the fan does not come 
on...

this is an 11in 2011 model.


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On 2 Mar 2012, at 02:33, Ricardo Walker wrote:

I must say I'm surprised.  I figured the MBA would run cooler since its using a 
SSD.

Ricardo Walker
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On Mar 1, 2012, at 9:31 PM, Garth Humphreys  wrote:

> Hi 
> 
> I must admit to being surprised at just how hot my MBA gets at times. It can 
> put out a lot of heat. I am not concerned about this but it has made me go 
> looking for the perfect hard tray to place it on when it bed etc. I find you 
> definitely need something to put it on so that there is good air flow. 
> 
> It has a heat sensor which will shut it off if it gets so hot that the heat 
> would cause any damage so I wouldn't worry about the fan kicking in. Having 
> said This, one thing that will shorten the life span of these rechargeable 
> batteries is heat so always make sure you allow for good air flow. 
> 
> Garth 
> @BlindTechMusing
> 
> On 02/03/2012, at 9:09 AM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Mar 1, 2012, at 5:53 PM, Traci wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all, I still consider myself new to the whole Mac experience.
>>> 
>>> I was just watching a tv show via Netflix, and my Macbook Air's fan kicked 
>>> in big time.
>>> 
>>> 1. Is this normal?
>>> Answer: Sure., absolutely normal...
>>> 2. If so, will it damage the Mac while watching a tv show or movie?
>>> Answer: No, not at all
>>> 3 Is it possible the MBA isn't meant for movie watching?
>> Answer: It sounds like it is working just fine and movies should never be an 
>> issue.
>> 
>>> 
>>> Lol, maybe the Mac doesn't like silverlight.
>>> 
>>> Thanks everyone,
>>> Traci
>>> Sent by Macbook Air Mail
>>> 
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Re: Using your air in public.

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Vivianna,

Personally I have an Air, the 11in model, as well as an iPad and iPhone.

I take my Air with me anywhere where I am heading on business, I do use it on 
the train and take no specific measures to stop it being stolen, other than of 
course not leaving it unattended. I do not, and would not get it out in a 
coffee shop or somewhere like that. I do get it out in more up market wine bars 
if needs be, but not say a Star Bucks.

If I am needing to surf the net or e-mail in somewhere like that, or the park 
etc, I use my iPhone.

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On 14 Mar 2012, at 19:45, Vivianna wrote:

Vivianna

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RE: Help on keyboard problem

[Moses Choo]

Hi Gigi, 
 
Thanks, the next time around, I will certainly be a little more careful.  
Some time back, I posted about the problem of the iPhone will repeat the
caller during an incoming call.  doing a three fingers double tap  after
taking the call will silent it. However, my problem is always forgetting to
turn on the speech back. Anyone here have a solution? 
 
Regards,
Moses.
 
 
 
 

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eugenia Firth
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 10:48 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Help on keyboard problem


Hi Moses. 
I have a suggestion of how the setting get changed. If the rotar is set on
the option and you happen to flick your finger on the right place on the
screen, then you can make a change. VoiceOver does say it, but I can see how
it could not be noticed. 

If I am annoyed by this, I just set the rotar on something like speech rate
so that nothing drastic gets changed. 

Regards, 
Gigi 

Eugenia Firth
gigifi...@sbcglobal.net



On Mar 21, 2012, at 10:38 AM, Moses Choo wrote:


Hi Ricardo and all, My was just due to a setting of entry mode set to touch
typing. Frankly, I do not know how the setting was accidently changed. After
chatting with friends, we have three of us in Malaysia who have experienced
such a case.  Hope this will be of help to others. 

Regards,
Moses.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Moses Choo
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 9:30 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Help on keyboard problem

Hi Ricardo,

Thanks for responding.   I have already tried the following.

1. Rebooting the phone 
2. Set for forget all my bluetooth keyboards.

What I have not done is to use the reset to factory default. My phone is an
iPhone 4 and I have upgraded to version 5.1.  If I were to reset, will it go
back to version 4.1? 

Frankly, I think it is the Voiceover that is at problem.  Is that a way for
me just to reinstall the Voiceover? 

Everything works well accept when I want to key in numbers or letters.  All
other work fine.  I also face this problem when I  reboot and would have to
key in my 4 digit pin. The only way to do it is to turn off the Voiceover
and get someone who can see to help me. 

However, when I use my bluetooth keyboard, it works okay.  There are times
that I do not bring along my keyboard, hence I would like to be able to use
the screen keyboard as wel..

I look forward to some advice. 

Regards
Moses.




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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 5:13 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Help on keyboard problem

Hi,

try going to settings/general/bluetooth and have the phone forget the other
BT keyboards you've paired and restart the phone.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Mar 20, 2012, at 12:04 PM, Moses Choo  wrote:



Dear all,



I have installed several Bluetooth keyboard recently and have landed 


my


self in a little problem.  My last was to install the RIVO Bluetooth
keyboard.



Now when I do not want to use any Bluetooth keyboard,  my iphone 


keyboard


does not seem to respond well. This problem is present in the following
situations.


1.   Dialing,


2.   2.   Keying in SMS,


3.   3.   Keying in passwords for updating.



I will be able to click the shift key, however, when typing other 


keys,


the key board just doesn't respond. However, if I turn off the Voiceover and
use it as a normal iphone, than it will be okay.  



Would appreciate some form of advice.



Regards,


Moses.




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Re: Using your air in public.

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Vivianna,

Can I ask you what makes you want to use your laptop in such a public location? 
you do not see that many folk doing such things, unless they are in a small 
group of people all doing it.. say a small group of office workers etc.

but, I've seen very few individuals on their own doing it.

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On 14 Mar 2012, at 20:14, Vivianna wrote:

Hi all,
i think you misunderstood me.  yes, i have a case for my air and, i also carry 
it in a backpack.  what is my concern is having it stolen right out of my 
hands.  say, for example, that i am sitting outside at a coffee shop and typing 
away on the computer with my earbuds in and someone just takes the machine and 
runs off with it.  this is my concern.  even if i have my hands on it they can 
still grab it and run.
are others afraid of such happening?  am i being to paranoid?  what do sighted 
folks do with their expensive machines?  do they just use them and not worry 
about it?  
i am off to check out these links now.  thanks a lot.
Vivianna
On Mar 14, 2012, at 3:01 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:

> I bought a backpack so when I'm not using my MacBook I just pop it in there. 
> If I usually sling it over one shoulder but if I need both hands I can put it 
> on all the way. In other words, I don't lock it down, I keep the laptop with 
> me. If you must lock it then you might want one of these:
> 
> http://www.macworld.com/article/1158830/macbook_air_security_lock.html
> 
> where you attach a rigid case to the MacBook Air and that case has a standard 
> lock slot. You could also check into iAlertU which uses the MacBook's motion 
> sensors to trigger an alarm and notify you on your iPhone etc.
> 
> http://ialertu.sourceforge.net/
> 
> CB
> 
> On 3/14/12 3:51 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I personally just put my macbook in my book bag when I travel.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Mar 14, 2012, at 3:45 PM, Vivianna  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> so, i went out and bought myself this super cool, super fast macbook air.  
>>> now, the reason that i bought this fine machine is because of it's small 
>>> size and portability.  well, now that spring is here, i am wanting to take 
>>> it out with me to coffee shops etc.  i live in a city and am concerned 
>>> about the safety of using such a machine in an outdoor public setting.  i 
>>> went to the mac online store and looked up the kensington lock and, alas, 
>>> it does not work with the air.
>>> so, here's my question to you all.
>>> do you all take your portable machines out with you?  and, if you do, what 
>>> sort of security measures, if any, do you take?  have any of you had 
>>> problems with having your computers stolen? and, if so, what did you do?  
>>> did you get it back?
>>> i would be extremely upset if i had my machine stolen on one hand yet, on 
>>> the other hand, i do not want to be restricted to using it only in the 
>>> safety of my own home.  if i wanted to stay at home, i would have purchased 
>>> the less costly mini.
>>> i look forward to hearing your experiences and suggestions.
>>> thanks much.
>>> Vivianna
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Re: Using your air in public.

[Lewis Alexander]

sorry to chime in here but I'm starting to find this bit of concern frustrating.

the whole purpose of a laptop is taking it on the road, to any location. the 
macbook air lends itself perfectly, especially for networking, etc. so the 
whole point of going to an internet cafe or a coffee shop with internet 
services available has a great benefit. otherwise, the companies offering the 
service would be wasting their time and money doing so.

a very simple solution to securing your notebook computer, whether apple or 
windows based system is a kensington security lock which simply chains to a 
solid leg or structure and locks to the system with a key lock.

I have used these products before and believe me, they make sense for security.

I don't take my macbook pro out on the road unless absolutely necessary, 
primarily because it's a tailored model which cost me over £2500 and is my 
office / technical system.. it's fully insured, etc but for on the road use, 
I'd take out an older mac or what was once my hp business notebook 
unfortunately stolen while on the road. (thug swept my case off my shoulder)

it's up to you whether you take your notebook on the road with you. as long as 
you have some security on your system to prevent users logging in, etc and a 
kensington cable lock, you're fairly well OK.

the whole concept of a laptop is portability. we're not just in business 
anymore, laptops are used by general consumers as well. unlike the late 80's 
and early / mid 90s where laptops cost an absolute fortune and were business 
based systems.

lew

On 22 Mar 2012, at 16:12, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:

> Vivianna,
> 
> Can I ask you what makes you want to use your laptop in such a public 
> location? you do not see that many folk doing such things, unless they are in 
> a small group of people all doing it.. say a small group of office workers 
> etc.
> 
> but, I've seen very few individuals on their own doing it.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
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> 
> On 14 Mar 2012, at 20:14, Vivianna wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> i think you misunderstood me.  yes, i have a case for my air and, i also 
> carry it in a backpack.  what is my concern is having it stolen right out of 
> my hands.  say, for example, that i am sitting outside at a coffee shop and 
> typing away on the computer with my earbuds in and someone just takes the 
> machine and runs off with it.  this is my concern.  even if i have my hands 
> on it they can still grab it and run.
> are others afraid of such happening?  am i being to paranoid?  what do 
> sighted folks do with their expensive machines?  do they just use them and 
> not worry about it?  
> i am off to check out these links now.  thanks a lot.
> Vivianna
> On Mar 14, 2012, at 3:01 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
> 
>> I bought a backpack so when I'm not using my MacBook I just pop it in there. 
>> If I usually sling it over one shoulder but if I need both hands I can put 
>> it on all the way. In other words, I don't lock it down, I keep the laptop 
>> with me. If you must lock it then you might want one of these:
>> 
>> http://www.macworld.com/article/1158830/macbook_air_security_lock.html
>> 
>> where you attach a rigid case to the MacBook Air and that case has a 
>> standard lock slot. You could also check into iAlertU which uses the 
>> MacBook's motion sensors to trigger an alarm and notify you on your iPhone 
>> etc.
>> 
>> http://ialertu.sourceforge.net/
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 3/14/12 3:51 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I personally just put my macbook in my book bag when I travel.
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>> 
>>> On Mar 14, 2012, at 3:45 PM, Vivianna  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 so, i went out and bought myself this super cool, super fast macbook air.  
 now, the reason that i bought this fine machine is because of it's small 
 size and portability.  well, now that spring is here, i am wanting to take 
 it out with me to coffee shops etc.  i live in a city and am concerned 
 about the safety of using such a machine in an outdoor public setting.  i 
 went to the mac online store and looked up the kensington lock and, alas, 
 it does not work with the air.
 so, here's my question to you all.
 do you all take your portable machines out with you?  and, if you do, what 
 sort of security measures, if any, do you take?  have any of you had 
 problems with having your computers stolen? and, if so, what did you do?  
 did you get it back?
 i would be extremely upset if i had my machine stolen on one hand yet, on 
 the other hand, i do not want to be restricte

Facebook Audio and video Chat Accessible?

[Teresa Cochran]

Hi, all,

I've already set up Facebook Chat to work inIChat via the Jabber protocol. Does 
audio and video work through Ichat too?

Thanks,
Teresa

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Re: Slide to unlock?

[Red.Falcon]

I'll just like to add my thanks for this!
I could never get it to work either! Now no problem!
Cheers
Colin

On 21 Mar 2012, at 23:14, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> Thanks Daniel.
> 
> It worked.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> On 21 Mar 2012, at 10:40 PM, Jane  wrote:
> 
>> I double-tap where it says to slide to unlock.
>> 
>> Jane
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 21, 2012, at 6:21 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>> 
>>> I can't slide to unlock.  Can anyone describe what to do?
>>> On 21 Mar 2012, at 03:07, James Mannion wrote:
>>> 
 One way to avoid it if it really bothers you is to slide to unlock
 instead of double tapping to unlock.
 
 On 3/20/12, Lewis Alexander  wrote:
> this is not a deliberate action. this is a software flaw and confirmed. 
> what
> is actually happening is a "considered tap" so that as soon as you unlock,
> the first app you consider tapping calls up the previous app or assigned
> dock app first. so this is something we need to fix.
> 
> lew
> 
> On 20 Mar 2012, at 21:15, jason lefevers wrote:
> 
>> yes I believe this is a bug in the 5.1 update my 4S did not do this 
>> untill
>> then. However I think apple may have done it on purpose . It launches the
>> app that is first in your doc. So if you have a app that you want to
>> launch every time you unlock your phone put it first in yourdoc. This 
>> only
>> occurs when you touch the screen right away after unlocking but not after
>> waiting a sec to do anything. jason n Mar 20, 2012, at 4:39 PM, David 
>> Hole
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi folks.
>>> I remember the discussion on iOS 5.1 a week ago, and tried to search
>>> the group before posting this, but I couldn't find anything related.
>>> Since I thought this was a nice idea, I didn't care that much, but
>>> right now this is beginning to piss me a bit off...
>>> As the subject says... Have anyone of you had that thing with your
>>> iPhone 4S?
>>> If so, is it that way it should be, or is it a bug?
>>> If it is a bug, is there something to do with that, or do we have to
>>> wait for Apple to do something?
>>> -Best regards David
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Reconnecting a Refreshabraille to an iPod

[Steve Holmes]

One thing I notice with my Refreshabraille connected via bluetooth to
my iPod is whenever the screen locks, The Braille display appears to
go off line and show the standard startup message.  If I hit the Home
button on the iPod, the display reconnects.  I don't necessarily have
any problem with this but wonder if there is any way to force the
Refreshabraille to reconnect from the RB instead of having to hit the
Home button.  I'm thinking of times where you might have the iThingy
tucked away in a bag or something and want to have complete control
from the Braille display.  Once the device is active, total control is
possible but just don't let the screen time out and lock.  Are there
any solutions for this?

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Re: Using your air in public.

[Vivianna]

um, wow.  here loads of folks sit at coffee shops with their computers, iPads, 
and iPhones.  i can not use the kensington lock on the air but i have had other 
suggestions and observations from folks on this list.  if it's a nice sunny 
summer day and i want to hang out at a coffee shop and do stuff online then, i 
will be taking the air with me.  there's just lots of stuff that i can not do 
on my iPhone.  
Vivianna
On Mar 22, 2012, at 11:09 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:

> Vivianna,
> 
> Personally I have an Air, the 11in model, as well as an iPad and iPhone.
> 
> I take my Air with me anywhere where I am heading on business, I do use it on 
> the train and take no specific measures to stop it being stolen, other than 
> of course not leaving it unattended. I do not, and would not get it out in a 
> coffee shop or somewhere like that. I do get it out in more up market wine 
> bars if needs be, but not say a Star Bucks.
> 
> If I am needing to surf the net or e-mail in somewhere like that, or the park 
> etc, I use my iPhone.
> 
> Regards,
> 
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> 
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> On 14 Mar 2012, at 19:45, Vivianna wrote:
> 
> Vivianna
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Re: Help on keyboard problem

[Thuy Mallalieu]

Hi moses. If you turn off the speech with three finger double tap, you can 
always get it to come back on with a rotor dial twist. Hope this helps?
Cheers
Thuy


Sent from my iPhone

On 22 Mar 2012, at 16:11, "Moses Choo"  wrote:

> Hi Gigi,
>  
> Thanks, the next time around, I will certainly be a little more careful. 
> Some time back, I posted about the problem of the iPhone will repeat the 
> caller during an incoming call.  doing a three fingers double tap  after 
> taking the call will silent it. However, my problem is always forgetting to 
> turn on the speech back. Anyone here have a solution?
>  
> Regards,
> Moses.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eugenia Firth
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 10:48 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Help on keyboard problem
> 
> Hi Moses.
> I have a suggestion of how the setting get changed. If the rotar is set on 
> the option and you happen to flick your finger on the right place on the 
> screen, then you can make a change. VoiceOver does say it, but I can see how 
> it could not be noticed. 
> 
> If I am annoyed by this, I just set the rotar on something like speech rate 
> so that nothing drastic gets changed. 
> 
> Regards, 
> Gigi 
> 
> Eugenia Firth
> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 21, 2012, at 10:38 AM, Moses Choo wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ricardo and all, My was just due to a setting of entry mode set to touch
>> typing. Frankly, I do not know how the setting was accidently changed. After
>> chatting with friends, we have three of us in Malaysia who have experienced
>> such a case.  Hope this will be of help to others. 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Moses.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Moses Choo
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 9:30 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Help on keyboard problem
>> 
>> Hi Ricardo,
>> 
>> Thanks for responding.   I have already tried the following.
>> 
>> 1. Rebooting the phone 
>> 2. Set for forget all my bluetooth keyboards.
>> 
>> What I have not done is to use the reset to factory default. My phone is an
>> iPhone 4 and I have upgraded to version 5.1.  If I were to reset, will it go
>> back to version 4.1? 
>> 
>> Frankly, I think it is the Voiceover that is at problem.  Is that a way for
>> me just to reinstall the Voiceover? 
>> 
>> Everything works well accept when I want to key in numbers or letters.  All
>> other work fine.  I also face this problem when I  reboot and would have to
>> key in my 4 digit pin. The only way to do it is to turn off the Voiceover
>> and get someone who can see to help me. 
>> 
>> However, when I use my bluetooth keyboard, it works okay.  There are times
>> that I do not bring along my keyboard, hence I would like to be able to use
>> the screen keyboard as wel..
>> 
>> I look forward to some advice. 
>> 
>> Regards
>> Moses.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 5:13 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Help on keyboard problem
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> try going to settings/general/bluetooth and have the phone forget the other
>> BT keyboards you've paired and restart the phone.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Mar 20, 2012, at 12:04 PM, Moses Choo  wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear all,
>>> 
>>> I have installed several Bluetooth keyboard recently and have landed 
>>> my
>> self in a little problem.  My last was to install the RIVO Bluetooth
>> keyboard.
>>> 
>>> Now when I do not want to use any Bluetooth keyboard,  my iphone 
>>> keyboard
>> does not seem to respond well. This problem is present in the following
>> situations.
>>> 1.   Dialing,
>>> 2.   2.   Keying in SMS,
>>> 3.   3.   Keying in passwords for updating.
>>> 
>>> I will be able to click the shift key, however, when typing other 
>>> keys,
>> the key board just doesn't respond. However, if I turn off the Voiceover and
>> use it as a normal iphone, than it will be okay.  
>>> 
>>> Would appreciate some form of advice.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Moses.
>>> 
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adium, growl and similar: the end of the story

[elena brescacin]

hello,
at the end I have performed several tests on my macbook pro, to find a solution 
for my third-party apps independent tts, which seemed to conflict with 
voiceover when turned on.
my last consideration is: if voiceover talks using a Scansoft voice, 
independently from language, system messages from third-party applications do 
not talk! I can make an example: daniel compact for english, diego compact for 
spanish, paolo compact for italian 
these voices work instead, for english:
alex, bruce, fred, victoria, vicky... and similar. all those in that menu. The 
ones coming from scansoft do not answer at all!
Shawn, May, and others using adium and/or skype with growl: would you please 
give it a try, with voice called daniel compact?
before writing or calling apple I would like to have some statistics and 
third-person-made tests!
thanks for help

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Re: Reconnecting a Refreshabraille to an iPod

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

This is normal behaviour.  Unless some one knows other wise?

Kawal.

On 22 Mar 2012, at 07:05 PM, Steve Holmes  wrote:

> One thing I notice with my Refreshabraille connected via bluetooth to
> my iPod is whenever the screen locks, The Braille display appears to
> go off line and show the standard startup message.  If I hit the Home
> button on the iPod, the display reconnects.  I don't necessarily have
> any problem with this but wonder if there is any way to force the
> Refreshabraille to reconnect from the RB instead of having to hit the
> Home button.  I'm thinking of times where you might have the iThingy
> tucked away in a bag or something and want to have complete control
> from the Braille display.  Once the device is active, total control is
> possible but just don't let the screen time out and lock.  Are there
> any solutions for this?
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Re: Reconnecting a Refreshabraille to an iPod

[Alex Hall]

That is why I turned off auto-lock. If I want to lock the device, I
hit the button, otherwise it stays on with the screen off. I find it
easiest this way. Besides, I often use the two together, reading
braille but doing some commands on the screen at the same time.

On 3/22/12, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> This is normal behaviour.  Unless some one knows other wise?
>
> Kawal.
>
> On 22 Mar 2012, at 07:05 PM, Steve Holmes  wrote:
>
>> One thing I notice with my Refreshabraille connected via bluetooth to
>> my iPod is whenever the screen locks, The Braille display appears to
>> go off line and show the standard startup message.  If I hit the Home
>> button on the iPod, the display reconnects.  I don't necessarily have
>> any problem with this but wonder if there is any way to force the
>> Refreshabraille to reconnect from the RB instead of having to hit the
>> Home button.  I'm thinking of times where you might have the iThingy
>> tucked away in a bag or something and want to have complete control
>> from the Braille display.  Once the device is active, total control is
>> possible but just don't let the screen time out and lock.  Are there
>> any solutions for this?
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Re: Reconnecting a Refreshabraille to an iPod

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I use a keyboard and braille display all at the same time as I can use whatever 
I like then.

On 22 Mar 2012, at 10:11 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> That is why I turned off auto-lock. If I want to lock the device, I
> hit the button, otherwise it stays on with the screen off. I find it
> easiest this way. Besides, I often use the two together, reading
> braille but doing some commands on the screen at the same time.
> 
> On 3/22/12, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> This is normal behaviour.  Unless some one knows other wise?
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> On 22 Mar 2012, at 07:05 PM, Steve Holmes  wrote:
>> 
>>> One thing I notice with my Refreshabraille connected via bluetooth to
>>> my iPod is whenever the screen locks, The Braille display appears to
>>> go off line and show the standard startup message.  If I hit the Home
>>> button on the iPod, the display reconnects.  I don't necessarily have
>>> any problem with this but wonder if there is any way to force the
>>> Refreshabraille to reconnect from the RB instead of having to hit the
>>> Home button.  I'm thinking of times where you might have the iThingy
>>> tucked away in a bag or something and want to have complete control
>>> from the Braille display.  Once the device is active, total control is
>>> possible but just don't let the screen time out and lock.  Are there
>>> any solutions for this?
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Re: Question about Audioboo app and uploads

[M. Taylor]

Hello Christopher,

After you submit a boo for upload, return to the My Boos area.

Near the top of the screen is a notification area where you can monitor the 
upload of your boo.

Mark


On Mar 21, 2012, at 7:28 AM, chris hallsworth wrote:

> How does one know if a boo is uploading? All I see in the main app after 
> double tapping save and upload is queue for upload but then that disappears. 
> Is this just an inaccessible part of the app? Thanks!
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Re: adium, growl and similar: the end of the story

[May McDonald]

I don't use growl like I said because it annoyed me, so I completely got rid of 
it.

With voiceover Adium and Skype work fine with all of the voices already on the 
Mac including Dan, don't like him either. I also have infovox voices on mine 
and all of them work too..

May and Prince Noah
On 2012-03-22, at 4:27 PM, elena brescacin wrote:

> hello,
> at the end I have performed several tests on my macbook pro, to find a 
> solution for my third-party apps independent tts, which seemed to conflict 
> with voiceover when turned on.
> my last consideration is: if voiceover talks using a Scansoft voice, 
> independently from language, system messages from third-party applications do 
> not talk! I can make an example: daniel compact for english, diego compact 
> for spanish, paolo compact for italian 
> these voices work instead, for english:
> alex, bruce, fred, victoria, vicky... and similar. all those in that menu. 
> The ones coming from scansoft do not answer at all!
> Shawn, May, and others using adium and/or skype with growl: would you please 
> give it a try, with voice called daniel compact?
> before writing or calling apple I would like to have some statistics and 
> third-person-made tests!
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Re: Using your air in public.

[Cheree Heppe]

Cheree Heppe here:
What can you do on the Air that can't be done on the IPhone?

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Re: Facebook Audio and video Chat Accessible?

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Kindle App on iPhone

[Jeff Berwick]

Hi All,

I downloaded the Kindle app so I can read some of the books that my wife is 
reading.  I can't, however, figure out how to get it to work.  Has anybody had 
success with the Kindle app?  Is it accessible?  Any tips?

It looks like, to me, that it is displaying images instead of rendering the 
text.

Thx,
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Re: Reconnecting a Refreshabraille to an iPod

[Alex Hall]

I didn't know that would work. So you can type in braille or on the
qwerty keyboard? I figured there would be some sort of conflict... iOS
never ceases to amaze me.

On 3/22/12, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> I use a keyboard and braille display all at the same time as I can use
> whatever I like then.
>
> On 22 Mar 2012, at 10:11 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>
>> That is why I turned off auto-lock. If I want to lock the device, I
>> hit the button, otherwise it stays on with the screen off. I find it
>> easiest this way. Besides, I often use the two together, reading
>> braille but doing some commands on the screen at the same time.
>>
>> On 3/22/12, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> This is normal behaviour.  Unless some one knows other wise?
>>>
>>> Kawal.
>>>
>>> On 22 Mar 2012, at 07:05 PM, Steve Holmes 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 One thing I notice with my Refreshabraille connected via bluetooth to
 my iPod is whenever the screen locks, The Braille display appears to
 go off line and show the standard startup message.  If I hit the Home
 button on the iPod, the display reconnects.  I don't necessarily have
 any problem with this but wonder if there is any way to force the
 Refreshabraille to reconnect from the RB instead of having to hit the
 Home button.  I'm thinking of times where you might have the iThingy
 tucked away in a bag or something and want to have complete control
 from the Braille display.  Once the device is active, total control is
 possible but just don't let the screen time out and lock.  Are there
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Re: Kindle App on iPhone

[Ray Foret Jr]

Forget it.  It ain't gonna happen.

It ain't accessible at all.


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> Hi All,
> 
> I downloaded the Kindle app so I can read some of the books that my wife is 
> reading.  I can't, however, figure out how to get it to work.  Has anybody 
> had success with the Kindle app?  Is it accessible?  Any tips?
> 
> It looks like, to me, that it is displaying images instead of rendering the 
> text.
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
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Re: Facebook Audio and video Chat Accessible?

[Jamie Tachiyama]

Is there any way to do skype on the IPhone, or is it just Android?


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>> Hi, all,
>>
>> I've already set up Facebook Chat to work inIChat via the Jabber protocol.
>> Does audio and video work through Ichat too?
>>
>> Thanks,
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Re: Kindle App on iPhone

[Esther]

Hi Jeff,

There are a number of ebook apps that specifically disable VoiceOver's ability 
to access the content in order to preserve digital rights management.  This is 
also true if you try to use the Barnes & Noble Nook app, for example.  You'll 
notice that usually you can access everything except for the actual content of 
the text.  That's being blocked.  You can verify this by taking a screen 
capture, and sending the results to an OCR app like Prizmo or TextGrabber.  The 
OCR app will tell you what the contents are, but obviously you're not going to 
read the book by screen capturing every page and sending it to an OCR app.

If you want to read another example of this viewpoint, that the ability of 
screen readers to access text would promote copyright violation, take a look at 
Greg Kearney's posted response from Fictionwise in the archives, sent in reply 
to his inquiry about ebook accessibility for their ebook reading app just a few 
months after the iPhone 3GS was released with VoiceOver support:
• Fwd: Response for Support Ticket #102495
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg06200.html
Since this is the Mail Archive post, if you're reading on your computer, you 
can also use access key shortcuts of Control-N to read down the thread for 
other reader comments.

Best,

Esther

On Mar 22, 2012, at 2:59 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> Forget it.  It ain't gonna happen.
> 
> It ain't accessible at all.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
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> 
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> On Mar 22, 2012, at 7:38 PM, Jeff Berwick wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I downloaded the Kindle app so I can read some of the books that my wife is 
>> reading.  I can't, however, figure out how to get it to work.  Has anybody 
>> had success with the Kindle app?  Is it accessible?  Any tips?
>> 
>> It looks like, to me, that it is displaying images instead of rendering the 
>> text.
>> 
>> Thx,
>> Jeff
>> 

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Re: Kindle App on iPhone

[Hank Smith]

so because of stupid drm copy write crap the blind can't read the ebooks?
On 3/22/2012 6:30 PM, Esther wrote:

Hi Jeff,

There are a number of ebook apps that specifically disable VoiceOver's 
ability to access the content in order to preserve digital rights 
management.  This is also true if you try to use the Barnes & Noble 
Nook app, for example.  You'll notice that usually you can access 
everything except for the actual content of the text.  That's being 
blocked.  You can verify this by taking a screen capture, and sending 
the results to an OCR app like Prizmo or TextGrabber.  The OCR app 
will tell you what the contents are, but obviously you're not going to 
read the book by screen capturing every page and sending it to an OCR app.


If you want to read another example of this viewpoint, that the 
ability of screen readers to access text would promote copyright 
violation, take a look at Greg Kearney's posted response from 
Fictionwise in the archives, sent in reply to his inquiry about ebook 
accessibility for their ebook reading app just a few months after the 
iPhone 3GS was released with VoiceOver support:

• Fwd: Response for Support Ticket #102495
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg06200.html
Since this is the Mail Archive post, if you're reading on your 
computer, you can also use access key shortcuts of Control-N to read 
down the thread for other reader comments.


Best,

Esther

On Mar 22, 2012, at 2:59 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:


Forget it.  It ain't gonna happen.

It ain't accessible at all.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

Facebook:
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On Mar 22, 2012, at 7:38 PM, Jeff Berwick wrote:


Hi All,

I downloaded the Kindle app so I can read some of the books that my 
wife is reading.  I can't, however, figure out how to get it to 
work.  Has anybody had success with the Kindle app?  Is it 
accessible?  Any tips?


It looks like, to me, that it is displaying images instead of 
rendering the text.


Thx,
Jeff



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RE: Facebook Audio and video Chat Accessible?

[Daniel Miller]

There is a skype app, but it's horribly inaccessible.

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Is there any way to do skype on the IPhone, or is it just Android?


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Re: Facebook Audio and video Chat Accessible?

[Jamie Tachiyama]

That is unfortunate.


On 3/22/12, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> There is a skype app, but it's horribly inaccessible.
>
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Facebook Audio and video Chat Accessible?
>
> Is there any way to do skype on the IPhone, or is it just Android?
>
>
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>> Hello Teresa,
>>
>> I use Skype for audio and video chats on Facebook. You can now connect
>> Skype to Facebook on the latest version of Skype.
>>
>> HTH,
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>>> Does audio and video work through Ichat too?
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Re: Kindle App on iPhone

[Esther]

Hi Hank,

The issue for the Kindle app is that the Author's Guild brought suit when 
Amazon added text-to-speech functionality to the second generation Kindle.  One 
of the consequences was that subsequently, only ebooks where text-to-speech 
access is specifically granted can have this turned on for the Kindle.  I think 
that's about a third to half of commercially released ebooks.  The second 
consequence of that is that Amazon cannot release a Kindle app that offers 
read-out-loud functionality with VoiceOver without being sued by the Author's 
Guild under similar grounds.  The argument is that such access would deprive 
authors of income they would otherwise gain by selling audiobook rights.  The 
proposed solution for blind readers by the Author's Guild, is that there be a 
means for each individual reader to go through a medical verification process 
and petition to have such functionality enabled, and that the application could 
then be unlocked for screen reader access on such a limited, per-individual 
basis.  Most visually impaired users would not consider that to be a practical 
or workable process.

It has been pointed out that the quality of screen readers rendition of ebooks 
is nothing like the quality of audio books.  That's been conceded, but the 
whole point that these versions are "listenable" and that the quality of 
machine text-to-speech is likely to improve in the future makes the Author's 
Guild take the stance that such screen reader access would infringe on 
copyrights. 

Since Apple will not permit any apps to selectively deny VoiceOver access to 
content -- the only way to match the current objections of the Author's Guild 
to text-to-speech access for some Kindle books  --  apps like the Kindle are 
built so that none of the content can be accessed with VoiceOver.  The roots of 
the restrictions on the Kindle app's accessibility do not rest with Amazon.  
They've simply designed the app to comply with the Author's Guild restrictions.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Mar 22, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Hank Smith wrote:

> so because of stupid drm copy write crap the blind can't read the ebooks?
> On 3/22/2012 6:30 PM, Esther wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jeff,
>> 
>> There are a number of ebook apps that specifically disable VoiceOver's 
>> ability to access the content in order to preserve digital rights 
>> management.  This is also true if you try to use the Barnes & Noble Nook 
>> app, for example.  You'll notice that usually you can access everything 
>> except for the actual content of the text.  That's being blocked.  You can 
>> verify this by taking a screen capture, and sending the results to an OCR 
>> app like Prizmo or TextGrabber.  The OCR app will tell you what the contents 
>> are, but obviously you're not going to read the book by screen capturing 
>> every page and sending it to an OCR app.
>> 
>> If you want to read another example of this viewpoint, that the ability of 
>> screen readers to access text would promote copyright violation, take a look 
>> at Greg Kearney's posted response from Fictionwise in the archives, sent in 
>> reply to his inquiry about ebook accessibility for their ebook reading app 
>> just a few months after the iPhone 3GS was released with VoiceOver support:
>> • Fwd: Response for Support Ticket #102495
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg06200.html
>> Since this is the Mail Archive post, if you're reading on your computer, you 
>> can also use access key shortcuts of Control-N to read down the thread for 
>> other reader comments.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Esther
>> 
>> On Mar 22, 2012, at 2:59 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>> 
>>> Forget it.  It ain't gonna happen.
>>> 
>>> It ain't accessible at all.
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> On Mar 22, 2012, at 7:38 PM, Jeff Berwick wrote:
>>> 
 Hi All,
 
 I downloaded the Kindle app so I can read some of the books that my wife 
 is reading.  I can't, however, figure out how to get it to work.  Has 
 anybody had success with the Kindle app?  Is it accessible?  Any tips?
 
 It looks like, to me, that it is displaying images instead of rendering 
 the text.
 
 Thx,
 Jeff
 
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Re: Kindle App on iPhone

[Ray Foret Jr]

That's not quite true.  It's not because of copy right.  The truth is this.  
It's because of the Author's guild.  They don't want the blind to be able to 
read their books without extra costs.  Their twisted reasoning is that the text 
to speech tecnhology will rob them of sales.  Every single organization of the 
blind is fighting this stipid infantile logic.


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On Mar 22, 2012, at 8:39 PM, Hank Smith wrote:

> so because of stupid drm copy write crap the blind can't read the ebooks?
> On 3/22/2012 6:30 PM, Esther wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jeff,
>> 
>> There are a number of ebook apps that specifically disable VoiceOver's 
>> ability to access the content in order to preserve digital rights 
>> management.  This is also true if you try to use the Barnes & Noble Nook 
>> app, for example.  You'll notice that usually you can access everything 
>> except for the actual content of the text.  That's being blocked.  You can 
>> verify this by taking a screen capture, and sending the results to an OCR 
>> app like Prizmo or TextGrabber.  The OCR app will tell you what the contents 
>> are, but obviously you're not going to read the book by screen capturing 
>> every page and sending it to an OCR app.
>> 
>> If you want to read another example of this viewpoint, that the ability of 
>> screen readers to access text would promote copyright violation, take a look 
>> at Greg Kearney's posted response from Fictionwise in the archives, sent in 
>> reply to his inquiry about ebook accessibility for their ebook reading app 
>> just a few months after the iPhone 3GS was released with VoiceOver support:
>> • Fwd: Response for Support Ticket #102495
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg06200.html
>> Since this is the Mail Archive post, if you're reading on your computer, you 
>> can also use access key shortcuts of Control-N to read down the thread for 
>> other reader comments.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Esther
>> 
>> On Mar 22, 2012, at 2:59 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>> 
>>> Forget it.  It ain't gonna happen.
>>> 
>>> It ain't accessible at all.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>> 
>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>> 
>>> Skype name:
>>> barefootedray
>>> 
>>> Facebook:
>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2012, at 7:38 PM, Jeff Berwick wrote:
>>> 
 Hi All,
 
 I downloaded the Kindle app so I can read some of the books that my wife 
 is reading.  I can't, however, figure out how to get it to work.  Has 
 anybody had success with the Kindle app?  Is it accessible?  Any tips?
 
 It looks like, to me, that it is displaying images instead of rendering 
 the text.
 
 Thx,
 Jeff
 
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Re: Kindle App on iPhone

[Jamie Tachiyama]

They get around it by making the Kindle for PC app accessible.


On 3/22/12, Hank Smith  wrote:
> so because of stupid drm copy write crap the blind can't read the ebooks?
> On 3/22/2012 6:30 PM, Esther wrote:
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> There are a number of ebook apps that specifically disable VoiceOver's
>> ability to access the content in order to preserve digital rights
>> management.  This is also true if you try to use the Barnes & Noble
>> Nook app, for example.  You'll notice that usually you can access
>> everything except for the actual content of the text.  That's being
>> blocked.  You can verify this by taking a screen capture, and sending
>> the results to an OCR app like Prizmo or TextGrabber.  The OCR app
>> will tell you what the contents are, but obviously you're not going to
>> read the book by screen capturing every page and sending it to an OCR app.
>>
>> If you want to read another example of this viewpoint, that the
>> ability of screen readers to access text would promote copyright
>> violation, take a look at Greg Kearney's posted response from
>> Fictionwise in the archives, sent in reply to his inquiry about ebook
>> accessibility for their ebook reading app just a few months after the
>> iPhone 3GS was released with VoiceOver support:
>> • Fwd: Response for Support Ticket #102495
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg06200.html
>> Since this is the Mail Archive post, if you're reading on your
>> computer, you can also use access key shortcuts of Control-N to read
>> down the thread for other reader comments.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Esther
>>
>> On Mar 22, 2012, at 2:59 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>>
>>> Forget it.  It ain't gonna happen.
>>>
>>> It ain't accessible at all.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>
>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>>
>>> Skype name:
>>> barefootedray
>>>
>>> Facebook:
>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 22, 2012, at 7:38 PM, Jeff Berwick wrote:
>>>
 Hi All,

 I downloaded the Kindle app so I can read some of the books that my
 wife is reading.  I can't, however, figure out how to get it to
 work.  Has anybody had success with the Kindle app?  Is it
 accessible?  Any tips?

 It looks like, to me, that it is displaying images instead of
 rendering the text.

 Thx,
 Jeff

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Re: Kindle App on iPhone

[Esther]

Hi Ray,

You're correct that the policy of blocking VoiceOver access to eBook content in 
the Kindle app arises from the Author's Guild suit, but the guild is mostly 
worried about readers who are not visually impaired making use of these 
text-to-speech capabilities to listen to ebooks instead of buying audiobooks.  
It's the very fact that Apple has been building in VoiceOver capabilities into 
every iOS device and computer that constitutes the danger, from their point of 
view.  That's why a Kindle app for the PC, that can be used with screen readers 
like JAWS, has been released, but there is no similar application for the Mac.  
If the only way that you could access the Kindle ebook content on your computer 
was by investing in blindness-specific software that equals or exceeds the cost 
of your computer, it's pretty hard to argue that you configured your machine 
this way just to avoid buying the audiobook versions.  But the fact that every 
iPhone, iPod Touch, an iPad now support VoiceOver, and that the same is true 
for every Mac, means that any user of an iPhone, Mac, etc. could enable 
VoiceOver functionality in reading Kindle ebooks, if this capability were not 
explicitly blocked.

And so, if you carry the argument of the Author's Guild to its natural 
conclusion, non-visually impaired Kindle customers who find VoiceOver's reading 
"good enough" to listen to, will turn on this feature instead of buying 
audiobook versions that they would otherwise purchase.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther
 
On Mar 22, 2012, at 4:03 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> That's not quite true.  It's not because of copy right.  The truth is this.  
> It's because of the Author's guild.  They don't want the blind to be able to 
> read their books without extra costs.  Their twisted reasoning is that the 
> text to speech tecnhology will rob them of sales.  Every single organization 
> of the blind is fighting this stipid infantile logic.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
> Facebook:
> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 22, 2012, at 8:39 PM, Hank Smith wrote:
> 
>> so because of stupid drm copy write crap the blind can't read the ebooks?
>> On 3/22/2012 6:30 PM, Esther wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>> 
>>> There are a number of ebook apps that specifically disable VoiceOver's 
>>> ability to access the content in order to preserve digital rights 
>>> management.  This is also true if you try to use the Barnes & Noble Nook 
>>> app, for example.  You'll notice that usually you can access everything 
>>> except for the actual content of the text.  That's being blocked.  You can 
>>> verify this by taking a screen capture, and sending the results to an OCR 
>>> app like Prizmo or TextGrabber.  The OCR app will tell you what the 
>>> contents are, but obviously you're not going to read the book by screen 
>>> capturing every page and sending it to an OCR app.
>>> 
>>> If you want to read another example of this viewpoint, that the ability of 
>>> screen readers to access text would promote copyright violation, take a 
>>> look at Greg Kearney's posted response from Fictionwise in the archives, 
>>> sent in reply to his inquiry about ebook accessibility for their ebook 
>>> reading app just a few months after the iPhone 3GS was released with 
>>> VoiceOver support:
>>> • Fwd: Response for Support Ticket #102495
>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg06200.html
>>> Since this is the Mail Archive post, if you're reading on your computer, 
>>> you can also use access key shortcuts of Control-N to read down the thread 
>>> for other reader comments.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Esther
>>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2012, at 2:59 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>>> 
 Forget it.  It ain't gonna happen.
 
 It ain't accessible at all.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
 
 Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
 
 Skype name:
 barefootedray
 
 Facebook:
 facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
 
 
 
 On Mar 22, 2012, at 7:38 PM, Jeff Berwick wrote:
 
> Hi All,
> 
> I downloaded the Kindle app so I can read some of the books that my wife 
> is reading.  I can't, however, figure out how to get it to work.  Has 
> anybody had success with the Kindle app?  Is it accessible?  Any tips?
> 
> It looks like, to me, that it is displaying images instead of rendering 
> the text.
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
> 
>>> 

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Re: Facebook Audio and video Chat Accessible?

[Garth Humphreys]

I would not go so far as to say that it is horribly inaccessible. There are 
parts that are not useable - the dial pad for example. However if you have 
already got contacts in your account you can successfully call them. There is 
certainly lots to improve but I guess it is at least partly usable. At least 
for what I use it.

 
On 23/03/2012, at 11:41 AM, Daniel Miller wrote:

> There is a skype app, but it's horribly inaccessible.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jamie Tachiyama
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:28 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Facebook Audio and video Chat Accessible?
> 
> Is there any way to do skype on the IPhone, or is it just Android?
> 
> 
> On 3/22/12, Ezzie Bueno  wrote:
>> Hello Teresa,
>> 
>> I use Skype for audio and video chats on Facebook. You can now connect 
>> Skype to Facebook on the latest version of Skype.
>> 
>> HTH,
>> Ezzie Bueno
>> Sent from my Macbook Pro
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>> (323) 448-0757
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>> On Mar 22, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, all,
>>> 
>>> I've already set up Facebook Chat to work inIChat via the Jabber
> protocol.
>>> Does audio and video work through Ichat too?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Teresa
>>> 
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Re: Facebook Audio and video Chat Accessible?

[Garth Humphreys]

Sorry, I just noticed the subject line. I was referring to the Skype app on the 
iPhone.
On 23/03/2012, at 1:06 PM, Garth Humphreys wrote:

> I would not go so far as to say that it is horribly inaccessible. There are 
> parts that are not useable - the dial pad for example. However if you have 
> already got contacts in your account you can successfully call them. There is 
> certainly lots to improve but I guess it is at least partly usable. At least 
> for what I use it.
> 
> 
> On 23/03/2012, at 11:41 AM, Daniel Miller wrote:
> 
>> There is a skype app, but it's horribly inaccessible.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jamie Tachiyama
>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:28 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Facebook Audio and video Chat Accessible?
>> 
>> Is there any way to do skype on the IPhone, or is it just Android?
>> 
>> 
>> On 3/22/12, Ezzie Bueno  wrote:
>>> Hello Teresa,
>>> 
>>> I use Skype for audio and video chats on Facebook. You can now connect 
>>> Skype to Facebook on the latest version of Skype.
>>> 
>>> HTH,
>>> Ezzie Bueno
>>> Sent from my Macbook Pro
>>> ezziebu...@gmail.com
>>> (323) 448-0757
>>> 
>>> Check out daily jokes and more!
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>>> 
 Hi, all,
 
 I've already set up Facebook Chat to work inIChat via the Jabber
>> protocol.
 Does audio and video work through Ichat too?
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
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Re: Deleting album from iPhone

[Shen]

Hi everyone,
I spoke to someone at Apple and was able to get clarification on the gesture. 
It's very strange that it works every time in Messages and Mail, but in Music, 
it seems to have some trouble.
So first, find where the item is on the screen. Move your finger until you find 
it. Then do the double tap and hold on the second tap. The trick is that as 
quickly as you can, right at the end of the triple click sound, slide your 
finger to the right. So don't wait or anything, as soon as you hear the triple 
click tone, slide your finger to the right.
When I did this, I got the delete confirmation more often than before. It's not 
perfect, but at least it's working more effectively for me now.
Good luck.

On Mar 16, 2012, at 6:19 AM, Paul Hunt wrote:

> Helo everyone. I struggled with this also. I found that if I double tap and 
> hold  with one finger and make a small quick movement immediately after I 
> hear the tone, the prompt will show up and you will be able to delete the 
> elbum or podcast.
> 
> On Mar 16, 2012, at 7:34 AM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> the accessibility team says it's a bug between VoiceOver and iOS that it 
>> doesn't work reliably using a swipe to the right as you described. They try 
>> to fix it.
>> 
>> I found two ways to do it anyway:
>> 1. Switch off VoiceOver and put your finger on the right place for ruffly 
>> one second. Then move the finger to the right. Then you can switch on 
>> VoiceOver again and click on the confirm delete button. 
>> 
>> 2. You are presumably a user of iTunes Match. Switch off iTunes Match on 
>> your iPhone and delete content manually  via iTunes. Afterwards you can 
>> switch iTunes Match on again.
>> 
>> All the best
>> Jürgen
>> 
>> Am 16.03.2012 um 13:04 schrieb Kawal Gucukoglu:
>> 
>>> DearChris.
>>> 
>>> It is difficult doing what you have asked as I have tried several times and 
>>> by the way you are following what others have said on the list and some 
>>> people get it to work but I can't.  If any one else has a better method, 
>>> please let us know.
>>> 
>>> Kawal. 
>>> 
>>> On 16 Mar 2012, at 11:35 AM, chris hallsworth  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hello all.
 The subject line says it all. How do I delete a specific album from the 
 iPhone? I went into music, went to the artists tab, double tapped on the 
 artist I am interested in, tried to double tap and hold then while holding 
 swipe to the right on the album I wish to delete, but I wasn't able to 
 delete it. I've tried several times. Please advise. Thanks!
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