Re: new growl 1.3 usage
Ji Jef Bishop, Unfortunately the 1.3 growl preferences are no longer located in system preferences. How do you get to them if you want to change something? On Oct 7, 2011, at 8:20 PM, Jeff Bishop wrote: > Relaunch the app to get to them. This is how I found them. > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Erkens > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 11:19 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: new growl 1.3 usage > > Dear listers, > > I just got growl 1.3 from the mac app store. I have been using 1.2.2 for a > while, and I removed it using a script provided on the growl.info site. > Then, I rebooted and installed 1.3 from the store and rebooted again to give > growl a chance to load its new preferences pain, and detect dropbox running. > > Does anyone know where the growl preferences are? I can no longer find them > in the system preferences. > Paul. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
crashed Lion last night
Hi Guys. I managed to crash Lion last night, and I'd like to tell you guys how I did it because it's something a lot of VoiceOver users might be tempted to do. However, you don't want to do what I did last evening. I was in Numbers. I had a file open, and discovered that I had made a mistake. I took a row out. Then I decided that my mistake was worse than I thought so I wanted to go to September 19 version. Well, last time I had so much trouble getting to the right version and calling it up that I decided to do what I used to do in Windows all the time, copy the old version from my thumb drive. Unfortunately, I forgot to press command-W. Most of the time this has not been a problem because Lion will let you copy files that are still in memory. However, unbeknownst to me, I created two of these files in memory. I had never had that happen before. After making the copy, I went back in and there was the old one. So, I made some changes, took that same row out plus did some more. Then I went to another window in Numbers, and lo, I found the other copy with, as best I can remember, the same name. I tried closing both files with command-w, and that was when my computer crashed. I couldn't go anywhere or do anything. VoiceOver did some talking, but the only way I finally got to shut down was when I got desperate and pressed the power key. When I did that, I got the shut down menu. When I did that, copied the file over again, and went back into Numbers again, everything was ok. Regards, Gigi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
[Mac-cessibility News] The Mac-cessibility Round Table Podcast #16 - 4S is "For Steve"
The Mac-cessibility Round Table Podcast #16 - 4S is "For Steve" In episode #16, the knights share their thoughts on the loss of the man who made so many new things possible for all of us. After, as Steve Jobs would have undoubtedly wanted, we discuss the latest addition from Cupertino to delight Apple users, the iPhone 4S, and what we think of the new Siri [...] You can read the rest of this news item at: http://www.lioncourt.com/2011/10/08/the-mac-cessibility-round-table-podcast-16-4s-is-for-steve/ The Mac-cessibility Network "...it's all within our reach..." http://maccessibility.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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Dear friends, I went into the system preference to change the behavior of the function keys. It was successfully done,however since then my down cursor key is not working. Example when I press voice over plus Mand enter menu then try to cursor down under apple to go to system preference it does not go down. Strangely when I use the item chooser voice over I it says 0 items. So is the case in all the other menus. I must have blundered on something along the way. Help from my respected friends is most appreciated. Regards Mano -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
New voices in Lion with new accounts
Hi list: Just a note to anyone who creates a new account and wants to use it with VoiceOver. If you create a new user account, (or delete your own VoiceOver preferences), the new voices offered with Lion will not show up by default. You need to go into VoiceOver utility, select the Speech tab, then, when selecting the default voice, you choose "Customize". The voices will show up unchecked. You just need to check the ones you want. Don't worry about downloading them--if you have already downloaded them initially, they're still there. But, VoiceOver will not offer them until you check them again. Interestingly, when this happened to me, I was offered the Tom, Karen, Serena, and several of the other Nuance voices in compact mode, these weren't initially offered with the install of Lion. Of course, not many people will want the compact voices, unless they just want the same sound between their I devices and the Mac. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
[Mac-cessibility News] The Lives He Touched...
The Lives He Touched... Many members of the visually impaired community who have contributed in one way or another to this web site, and the greater VI Apple community at large, have shared their thoughts on the tragic loss of Steve Jobs. We offer this glimpse into the lives he touched as our tribute to Steve. Click here to [...] You can read the rest of this news item at: http://www.lioncourt.com/2011/10/08/the-lives-he-touched/ The Mac-cessibility Network "...it's all within our reach..." http://maccessibility.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: crashed Lion last night
Oh, wow. I'm proud of you; it isn't easy to crash OS X. :) I'm perfectly capable of doing the same sort of thing, so I'm crossing my fingers. Glad it's all working again. I once crash Windows trying to run two screen-readers, Jaws and Virgo at the same time. It completely destroyed my display drivers and I had to reformat my hard drive and reinstall the OS. I'm so glad OS X is not so fragile. Teresa On Oct 8, 2011, at 6:13 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote: > Hi Guys. > I managed to crash Lion last night, and I'd like to tell you guys how I did > it because it's something a lot of VoiceOver users might be tempted to do. > However, you don't want to do what I did last evening. > > I was in Numbers. I had a file open, and discovered that I had made a > mistake. I took a row out. Then I decided that my mistake was worse than I > thought so I wanted to go to September 19 version. Well, last time I had so > much trouble getting to the right version and calling it up that I decided to > do what I used to do in Windows all the time, copy the old version from my > thumb drive. > > Unfortunately, I forgot to press command-W. Most of the time this has not > been a problem because Lion will let you copy files that are still in memory. > However, unbeknownst to me, I created two of these files in memory. I had > never had that happen before. > > After making the copy, I went back in and there was the old one. So, I made > some changes, took that same row out plus did some more. Then I went to > another window in Numbers, and lo, I found the other copy with, as best I can > remember, the same name. > > I tried closing both files with command-w, and that was when my computer > crashed. I couldn't go anywhere or do anything. VoiceOver did some talking, > but the only way I finally got to shut down was when I got desperate and > pressed the power key. When I did that, I got the shut down menu. When I did > that, copied the file over again, and went back into Numbers again, > everything was ok. > > Regards, > Gigi > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: crashed Lion last night
Hi Teresa. No, it's not near as sensitive in some areas. I'm at the Apple store right now doing a backup for the first time. Say, I never would have thought of running two screen readers under Windows. I had enough trouble with one, although to be fair, I ran Jaws successfully for quite a long time. I still have it, and can run it if I need to. VoiceOver is not as sensitive to having braille displays taken on and off without restarting the program. That's nice. I do it all the time. Regards, Gigi On Oct 8, 2011, at 12:53 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: > Oh, wow. I'm proud of you; it isn't easy to crash OS X. :) I'm perfectly > capable of doing the same sort of thing, so I'm crossing my fingers. Glad > it's all working again. > > I once crash Windows trying to run two screen-readers, Jaws and Virgo at the > same time. It completely destroyed my display drivers and I had to reformat > my hard drive and reinstall the OS. I'm so glad OS X is not so fragile. > > Teresa > On Oct 8, 2011, at 6:13 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote: > >> Hi Guys. >> I managed to crash Lion last night, and I'd like to tell you guys how I did >> it because it's something a lot of VoiceOver users might be tempted to do. >> However, you don't want to do what I did last evening. >> >> I was in Numbers. I had a file open, and discovered that I had made a >> mistake. I took a row out. Then I decided that my mistake was worse than I >> thought so I wanted to go to September 19 version. Well, last time I had so >> much trouble getting to the right version and calling it up that I decided >> to do what I used to do in Windows all the time, copy the old version from >> my thumb drive. >> >> Unfortunately, I forgot to press command-W. Most of the time this has not >> been a problem because Lion will let you copy files that are still in >> memory. However, unbeknownst to me, I created two of these files in memory. >> I had never had that happen before. >> >> After making the copy, I went back in and there was the old one. So, I made >> some changes, took that same row out plus did some more. Then I went to >> another window in Numbers, and lo, I found the other copy with, as best I >> can remember, the same name. >> >> I tried closing both files with command-w, and that was when my computer >> crashed. I couldn't go anywhere or do anything. VoiceOver did some talking, >> but the only way I finally got to shut down was when I got desperate and >> pressed the power key. When I did that, I got the shut down menu. When I did >> that, copied the file over again, and went back into Numbers again, >> everything was ok. >> >> Regards, >> Gigi >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: new growl 1.3 usage
Is it possible for DB to tell a user when someone has added/removed/ edited a file in a shared foldwmer the emway it did on my old XP C? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
About Opening File Attachments in TextEdit?
Hello All, I know how to attach files to a document in TextEdit. However, I cannot find any way, using VO to open an attachment after the file has been saved as File.RTFD. Does anyone know how to open an attached file to such a document using TextEdit and VO? TIA. Dan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
mouse keys and mouse focus
Has anybody using Lion tried to turn their mouse keys on using the option key five times? I have mine set to do that; but, the mouse keys always turn off right away. Also, in the Universal preferences tab, it's impossible to check the mouse keys on using the radio buttons because the second you do, the mouse keys just toggle back off again. I wonder whether or not this has anything to do with the dificulty we seem to be having pressing control+F8 and then moving the mouse to the special menu at the right end of the menu bar? BTW, any word on when that will be fixed? Thanks. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: listening to and using loops in Garage Band?
Hi Recardo, CJ and all , Does anyone on the list know what I need to do in GarageBand in order to hook up my Kurzweil K2600 workstation up with it? Thanks, Johnny PS. OT: CJ, I lost your email address. Can you please send it to me off list? Thanks greatly, Johnny Chilelli On Oct 6, 2011, at 4:14 PM, CJ Daniel wrote: > Hi Riccardo, > > I really appreciate it. Listened to the first one last night. I'm wondering > what you think the best source for loops is? Again, I thank you! > > CJ > On Oct 5, 2011, at 8:06 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > >> Sure, >> >> Here goes the links. >> >> Part 1. >> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5326929/GB-6-Part-1.m4a >> >> Part 2. >> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5326929/GB-6-Part-2.mp3 >> >> Part 3. >> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5326929/Garageband-3.mp3 >> >> And the bonus episode. >> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5326929/gb6-3.5-Bonus-.mp3 >> >> I hope you find them useful. >> >> hth >> >> Ricardo Walker >> rwalker...@gmail.com >> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 >> www.mobileaccess.org >> >> On Oct 5, 2011, at 10:39 PM, CJ Daniel wrote: >> >>> Ricardo, >>> >>> Any chance of downloading the Garage Band tutorials from some where, before >>> the Mobile Access site is up & running again? I'd really appreciate it, if >>> it is possible. I was hoping to get started with my learning curve, now >>> that I have Lion installed. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> CJ >>> >>> On Aug 31, 2011, at 5:44 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >>> Hi, you should check out the audio tutorials I did on Garageband. I cover this and a whole lot more. Go to www.mobileaccess.org and on the site, do a search for garageband. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Aug 31, 2011, at 2:53 PM, Alex Hall wrote: > Hi all, > I recently downloaded the 1.2gb pack of Apple instruments and loops and > all that. I then enabled the loop browser and was looking at the table > of drum loops (in column view). The help tag says to click a loop to > hear it, or drag it to use it in the project. However, selecting a table > row (vo-space, up-down, mouse click) will not play the loop. How do I > get a loop to play? How, if I decide to use a loop, do I "drag" it to my > song in order to use it, as the tag says? As always, thanks for all your > help! > > Have a great day, > Alex (msg sent from BrailleNote > mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > Johnny Angel! beefca...@neo.rr.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
New to Growl
Hi: I've heard several of you mention Growl, so I thought I'd get it--only $1.99. Now that I have it, I don't see anything that just jumps out at me that I can benefit from. So, what can I do with Growl? I've seen references to it's telling me about new Emails and telling me when downloads finish, but, I am not sure what I need to add to it, if that's what I ned. Thanks for any help! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: mouse keys and mouse focus
I have experienced the same thing. I haven't been able to figure out a way to get the mouse keys to stay on. I've done some research and so far haven't come across a date of when this will be fixed. On Oct 8, 2011, at 1:10 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > Has anybody using Lion tried to turn their mouse keys on using the option key > five times? I have mine set to do that; but, the mouse keys always turn off > right away. Also, in the Universal preferences tab, it's impossible to check > the mouse keys on using the radio buttons because the second you do, the > mouse keys just toggle back off again. I wonder whether or not this has > anything to do with the dificulty we seem to be having pressing control+F8 > and then moving the mouse to the special menu at the right end of the menu > bar? > BTW, any word on when that will be fixed? > > Thanks. > > > Sincerely, > The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! > > Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! > > Skype name: > barefootedray > > Facebook: > facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Trying Again, Ricardo's Garage Band Podcasts
Does anyone have the links to Ricardo's garage band podcasts? Thanks, Kev -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Trying Again, Ricardo's Garage Band Podcasts
I'd like also download this podcast. Where can i find Ricardo's podcasts? El 08/10/2011, a las 21:49, Kevin Mattingly escribió: > Does anyone have the links to Ricardo's garage band podcasts? > > Thanks, > Kev > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
a question concerning scrolling with trackpad commander
Hi all I can scroll text on a website with the trackpad comander - I'm a proficient IPhone user so have no trouble actually scrolling. However when I scroll to say p33 of 36 on a website, and hit VO right arrow expecting to see links on p33, I'm returned to the top of the web page. What am I doing wrong? I want to scroll say halfway down a webpage and then be able to either flick left and right or use VO plus right and left arrows to see where I am and what links I'm on etc. Can someone please help? Many thanks Cam -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
avout Ricardo's podcasts
Hi, I paste a Ricardo's messaje where are the links to his podcasts, but like his website is in mantenainze, you can't download it In the same website, Ricardo says us that the website will return on october 11 th, but i'm shure that the links wil be the same Regards, Francisco HiChristina and Suzanne, Its no problem at all. I hope you find them useful. :) Here goes the links to the 4 Garageband podcasts I did in order 1. goo.gl/cuPfp 2. goo.gl/1eWfi 3. goo.gl/HFDM4 4. goo.gl/ST4VG Ricardo Walker rwalker296@x Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Trying Again, Ricardo's Garage Band Podcasts
Here you go. > > Here goes the links. > > Part 1. > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5326929/GB-6-Part-1.m4a > > Part 2. > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5326929/GB-6-Part-2.mp3 > > Part 3. > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5326929/Garageband-3.mp3 Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Oct 8, 2011, at 8:49 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote: > Does anyone have the links to Ricardo's garage band podcasts? > > Thanks, > Kev > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
